June 18, 2024 • 36 mins
Dr. Fauci now says it was the “fog of war” that made him wrong and tell everyone who questioned him to shut – and mask – up their faces. Michael Patrick Leahy, CEO and editor-in-chief of The Tennessee Star, on free speech and his right to cover the trans mass shooter, who's manifesto is still being kept from us. Remember how, under Obama, the FBI cut out the Muslim motivations of the shooter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now thanks for
being here. And he's still out there making the rounds
doctor Anthony Fauci. You know, I still think that he
should be wearing two masks, maybe goggles as well. Whenever
(00:21):
he's breathing droplets. He's out there hawking a book. It's
called Anthony Fauci, MD. Of course, of course, on call
a Doctor's Journey in Public Service. I want to vomit,
(00:42):
but here we are. He got paid a five million
dollar advance, which is pretty much like presidential memoir level advance.
I mean, that is as big as advances these days
really get. And that's supermomant.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, that's super important to hit here because this that
that is an unbelievable amount of money to get for someone.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Who well, let's be honest, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's just a giveaway, right, It's just left.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
This is what they do. This is what I always say.
If you are a soldier for the left in politics,
not like an actual soldier, but if you are, if
you are somebody who's willing to, you know, swing a
pipe on the street for them, so to speak, if
you're going to go after their enemies, they will always
protect you. They will always have a job for you,
(01:35):
a sinecure somewhere. They'll always have some uh, some position,
some board seat, some book deal. On the right. It's like,
I don't know, you know, open a small business. Good luck.
Your career in public life is ruined because you stood
up for what's right. I mean, we're not as good
about that at all. Uh, And we don't circle the
wagons the way that we should. But anyway, Fauci is
(01:57):
out there. He's also I think he's worth like fifteen
million dollars or something like that. So somehow, and he's
the highest paid gut Fauci is in a multi million
person federal government payroll. Fauci is the highest paid employee
of the federal government, the single highest which is really
quite something, isn't it. But he's out there and he's
(02:20):
making the rounds. And here, for example, is Fauci on
that this is a big thing. How we couldn't know
fog of war, all this stuff. He was on MSNBC.
I think this was this has cut four play it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
How frustrating is it to you that people look back
with twenty twenty hindsight and judge you when you and
the rest of the world was in a fog of war.
You know, it is quite frustrating, Joe. They don't appreciate
that we were dealing with a moving target, wear a
mask or not.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
How the virus is spread.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I mean, originally it was felt understandably but incorrectly by
the CDC that it is spread by the same way
that flew as spread, namely mostly by droplets, But in
fact most of the transmission is not only by not droplets,
it's by aerosol, but also fifty to sixty percent of
the people who transmitted have no symptoms at all. We
(03:19):
didn't know that in the beginning. It was a changing
moving target.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's not just the beginning. Okay, this is what they
love to do now, oh the fog of war. Yeah,
the first month or two we were figuring some stuff out.
But Clay, the fundamental problem with this, with the whole
Fauci approach now and with all the journalists who were
just giving him backrubs for his book. Oh thank you Fauci,
and he's all this humility that he approaches it with. Now,
(03:46):
in retrospect, we couldn't have known what was happening. It
was too difficult to decipher. At the time, it was
shut your face, do it. We're I'll cover your face.
We know I am science and the government's gonna shut
you down. Can't see your parents in the hospital, can't
(04:08):
have your wedding unless you're George Floyd, and then you
can have three funerals, but can't have your funeral. All
the stuff that they did was under the guise of
we are science, we have the answers. Yeah, they never
said we're not sure. This is complicated. So, I mean
they violated the most basic tenets of science in the beginning.
(04:29):
While they're now claiming that they were just you know,
figuring it out as they went. They never said that.
They told millions of morons across the country, we have
the answers, and they believed everything that they said, and
they were shouting at you for not wearing a mask
out on the street.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I sat down with my three kids in April of
twenty twenty. Maybe it was early May, but I think
it was late April because we came to Florida and
spent the whole month of May because I was just
done with COVID already. Then you go back and check
my timeline. I mean, we went out on Cinco de
(05:05):
Mayo to an indoor restaurant in Florida, and I posted
about taking my family out for Cinco de Mayo in
twenty twenty. Go read those comments. But I sat down
with each of my kids. This is why I refuse
to accept what the faucis of the world are trying
to say. Now they've moved from to your point, we
know exactly what everyone in the whole United States has
(05:25):
to do to Well, maybe we were wrong, but you
heard Scarborough there say, well it was the fog of war.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You never could have known it. Somehow.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I sat down with my kids in late April of
twenty twenty and I said, look, you guys are not
really at risk from COVID. All of us are going
to get it. That's likely the way it's going to go,
and we're all going to be fine. A lot of
us are going to probably get it. We'll never know
that we even had it, because that's the way this
COVID works for, especially young people who are healthy. And
(05:54):
I said, you don't need to worry about it at all.
We're not changing our lives. And I was able to
do that with my family, with my boys, who I
care about more than anything in the whole wide world.
But really what they did was it was a huge
IQ test, and massive majorities, I would say, of the
American population failed it. And what it really came down
(06:15):
to was, can you or can you not understand basic risk?
Can you analyze for yourself and your family members reasonably
intelligent decisions to make for purposes of risk?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And buck?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
When you had me visit the apartment that you were
living in during COVID in New York City, yeah, I
walked in there. We first started to doing It's been
almost three years. This is sometime probably in the fall
of twenty twenty one, when we had been doing the
show for just a little while. I walked in there
and I said. One of the first things I said
was I would have gone insane, like if I had
(06:46):
been in a high rise building living by myself.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Forced in New York City.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Look, the only reason most people live in New York
City is because you can experience the city.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Most people aren't wealthy enough to have tremendous places to
live in and say, hey, you can go to these parks,
you can go to these plays, you can go to
if you live.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
In Manhattan, and you have like a really yard. You're
you're a Rockefeller. Okay, that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, so the only reason most people live in It's
like for those of you who don't live in New
York City, it's like most people don't go on a
cruise ship for the cruise room. You go on for
the cruise ship. You go on for the places that
you're going to, port of calls, things like that. Most
of the time you're not like, man, this cruise ship
cabin is amazing, unless you're really rich, and you know
then that's different.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But I would have gone insane.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And I mean, I understand why everybody left New York
City who could, who had a better place to go,
But what they did, and the fact that's still and
I feel very fortunate because I lived in Tennessee, I
lived in Florida. My life really didn't change very much
during COVID, But for what they did, for no one
to have been held accountable, and for now for them
(07:52):
to be saying, oh, it's the fog of war. Go
read the comments from what you and I were posting
in twenty twenty. There was no fog of war. Responses
weren't like, well, you know, this is an interesting perspective,
but maybe I disagree with it a little bit. It
was like, you're killing my grandma. You should go to Hell.
I hope you die. That's what people said to me.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I mean, first of all, Biden, let's bring this up
to more of the current, in the sense that they
always just want to focus. In the first sixty days,
Biden gave a speech in which he suggested that people
who weren't getting the COVID vaccine were responsible for a
winter of death. Okay, he actually gave that speech with
the red lights and the Marines in the background, the
whole thing, you know, the Emperor Palpatine speech for the
(08:32):
Star Wars nerds out there. That was total, total garbage. Okay.
The vaccine did not prevent transmission at all. They don't
even pretend that it prevents transmission. So you were no
risk to somebody else because you didn't get the vaccine.
That is a fact. And they divided the country along
those lines. They made people get vaccine passports. In New
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York City, they were trying to make everybody who worked
at a company with more than one hundred employees get
the vaccine as a as a point of federal authority.
The Supreme Court finally stepped in. The Supreme Court should
have steped in. I totally disagree. I thought the Supreme
Court was honestly too whimpy to step in on the
shutting down of churches because they say so no, sorry,
(09:12):
Like the government's not allowed to just say people are
getting sniffles, you can't go to church. I think that
we still as a society haven't even begun to take
full stock of what was done to us. I think
that people just want to move on past it, and
I think that's actually the wrong attitude. I think that
that unfortunately leaves us open to going down this pathway
(09:34):
in the future. I mean, here, for example, we could
do this all day. We're gonna get switch topics here
in a moment. But here is Rachel Maddow, who was saying,
you don't if you get the shot, you don't get COVID,
you don't spread COVID. Remember she was famously on TV
saying that has no feelings of like, oh my gosh,
I was kind of silly. I shouldn't have no. No,
still think she's a genius. Here she is with Fauci
(09:56):
saying that it was dangerous to talk about hydroxychlorican and
iver met and play five.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Was it dangerous for him to promote hydroxychloroquin and I
remected and those other cures multi supposed cures that don't
actually drink coming.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, I mean obviously it is. I mean I don't
want to get into how many numbers of people would
have made the difference, but clearly he missed an opportunity
because there were people out there who knew nothing about this,
who was saying hydroxy chlorocin works, and we know that
not only does it not, but it actually hurts people.
(10:28):
He could have used the bully pulpit of the presidency
to say, hey, listen to the scientists.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But he didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
He is a horrible, vile, evil little smurf Fauci. Okay,
it's not just I disagree with him, Okay, Fauci. So ivermectin,
which is a drug that has saved people around the world,
hundreds of thousands of people from river blindness. The person
who developed the Japanese scientists who developed ivermectin got the
Nobel Prize in Medicine because it was such a huge breakthrough.
(11:00):
Hydroxychloroquin has been used to help people from malaria, millions
of people malarias horror. It can kill you, but it's
also debilitating. You can have relapses. Horrible. Those are safe drugs,
very safe drugs, Clay. You know what was promoted by
Fauci and his little minions putting people on ventilators, which
killed them, which killed them. Well, why isn't Rachel Mattow
(11:23):
asking about Hey, you know, was it dangerous for you,
like the little schmuck that you are, to promote being
on ventilators? Was it dangerous for you to tell everybody
that Remdesevie will save you? No, no, they won't. You know,
remdesivir By. It doesn't work at all. I mean they
were promoting things all along as you remember this didn't
work at all.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Not only that, remember all of the ventilators that we
made that then we ended up selling for scrap metal.
I mean, they they produced because the idea was remember
they were trying to put Trump under the under the
gun here, and they kept saying, remember all the questions,
can you personally guarantee that every single person who needs
(12:05):
a ventilator is going to have one?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We needed to we needed to mobilize, you know, the
military industrial complex in this country in order to get
as many ventilators done as possible. And they were saying,
Trump can't get it done. And then Trump actually paid
the way for it to get done, and none of
the scientists were actually look a lot of it. And
people who were working in New York City in those hospitals,
I've talked to them. They'll tell you this, they'll tell
(12:28):
you it off the record. People were scared. I mean
the medical personnel, we're scared. And they were like, I'm
scared of COVID and I'm talking about people in their forties,
people that had really no risk from COVID, but they
got so freaked out that they wanted to put people
on ventilators and then just see what happens lately. Leave
them be, spend less time with them, don't figure out
(12:49):
what's really going on. And they were pushing. I mean, so,
if you're gonna point fingers at safe drugs, safe enough
that people take them for a whole range of things
like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin, why not take any clay? Why
not take any culpability for pushing people. The only person
that I personally know who died from COVID was one
of the first wave, and he was put on a
(13:10):
ventilator and he lasted weeks of just miserably slowly dying
in the hospital. I think, I truly believe he would
have lived that they had not put him on a ventilator.
I don't know a single person. I mean, I know
people who were elderly and died with four or five
different things, including COVID, But I don't know anyone that
got COVID and died just from COVID. But the ventilator
(13:34):
thing is pretty wild, because again I've met a lot
of you don't know this. All of our taxpayer dollars
we produced whatever it was, millions of ventilators. The vast
majority of them have now been sold for scrap metal
because we had virtually no use for them. And I
would just ask if anyone, I don't know, if anyone
can get to somebody who, whether it's in Congress, we
got a lot of members of Congress listened to the show.
(13:55):
Asked the question that I've asked before about Fauci, which
is why is it that he never wants during the
higher pandemic, said you're going too far. We don't need
to do that, not one time on one. When they
were cutting holes in masks so people could play the
obo in high school, he didn't say that was too far.
(14:15):
When they were when they were making circles in the
park on the ground so people would sit socially distance
from each other, he didn't say that was too much.
When they had kids in plastic bubbles in band practice,
he didn't say, maybe we could take a chill pill.
Everything was everything that was crazy, everything that was for
(14:38):
the anxious freaks to like make us all live under
this tyranny he was in favor of. Never once did
he say, back off, we don't need to do that.
I mean, and I just I can go out all
day long anybody.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The people inside of the inside of the bubbles playing
instruments is and then the people with the masks on
that they cut holes in so they could play the instrument. Yeah,
I mean, it's next level crazy that this ever occurred.
People were building submarines with screen doors, and they thought
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Speaker 2 (16:37):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
want to weigh in on topics so far. We're going
to be joined by Mac Michael Patrick Leahy from the
Tennessee Star on this trans shooter. Let's try to get
in a couple of calls if we can. Michael in Iowa,
what you got.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Fun?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I was gonna weigh on Pauci, but you know, as
far as the trans shooter goes, it's it's something to
where it's like, all right, pretty much speech is out
the window, I guess at this point, and somebody's gonna
go to jail for just calling it like it is,
you know, and it's something that the mainstream media wants
to ignore and we're shedding light on it. But when
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it's a you know, a white shooter or something like that,
it's like, well they're under a magnifying glass because well
it fits their narrative and yeah, it's it's it's unreal.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So thank you for the call, and it's no doubt buck,
and we'll talk about this in just a sec. But
the fact that it's been over a year, even in
a red state like Tennessee, and even in an area
like Nashville, they can't get the truth out because the
narrative is challenged, and so the protection mechanisms kick in.
And you know as well as I do, that this
has been some crazy right wing shooter, lunatic. It would
(17:50):
have been out within a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Absolutely true. We'll get back into this coming up here momentarily,
my friends. We will also be joined later on by
Steven Miller, so looking forward to talking to him about that.
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Speaker 3 (18:48):
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
All right, welcome back in team. We have Michael Patrick
Lahey with us now. He's the CEO and editor in
chief of The Tennessee Star. Michael, thanks for making the
time for this is I can't say it's hard to
believe in America today, but it does show just how
far the fight against the First Amendment has gone. And
(19:11):
the way that journalists are not all rallying to your
cause is not surprising, but it's still distressing. So you
have been called and this is about the Tennessee I'm sorry,
the Nashville trans shooter manifesto. You've written about some of
this in the Tennessee Star, and you had to appear
in court because the judge was threatening sanctions against your
(19:34):
news organization. Tell us what's going on.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Here even worse than that? Blacca, thanks for having me on,
by the way worse than that I received. On June tenth,
my attorney received a show cause hearing order from Judge
Lashia Miles, who's hearing the case in Nashville's Chantry Court,
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a case that we're a plaintiff in where we and
several others, including the Tennessee and the Tennessee Firearms Association,
back in May of twenty twenty three, asked the judge
to follow the Tennessee Public Records Act and release all
of the writings of the Covenant Killer, twenty eight year
old Audioli Kale, who killed six Nashville residents at the
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Covenant School on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. So
all of the writings from the killer have been turned
over to the judge for her review. She's been resuwing
them for about a year, probably about five hundred pages
of twenty journals and one operational plan for the day
that she carried out this task. I obtained legally on
(20:47):
before June fifth, the eighty pages from one of those journals,
the most recent one, and also some files from the
criminal investigation record, and then we began writing stories based
upon those pages from the journal, but we didn't publish
(21:08):
any of them. We wrote stories, probably twenty twenty five
on the journals. We wrote a number of stories based
on the other documents that we'd received that weren't under
her review. And so out of the blue, Out of
the blue, Monday evening, last Monday evening, we got this
order from the court, and she said, the Court sets
(21:30):
the show cause hearing to determine why the alleged publication
of certain purported documents by the Tennessee Star and Michael
Patrick Lay does not violate the orders of the court
subjecting them to contempt proceedings and sanctions. But the weird
part about this book is earlier that day. In this order,
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the judge said, the court received a media call requesting
a comment or a statement regarding the Tennessee Star publication
alleged publication of certain purported documents. That call was made
to the judge from a reporter at WSMV Television here
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an NBC affiliate, Stacy Cameron, who we scooped, and apparently
he was pretty mad about it, and he made false
representations to the court. So that's how their hearing was
set up. So I show up there yesterday to answer
the court's claims we didn't violate any court order. I
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had a terrific attorney, Daniel Horowitz, in the first First
Amendment specialist. I'd also been represented by Nick Berry America
First Legal in the ongoing case. The judge heard from
everybody else except for my attorney until the very end,
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and she talked about something entirely different. It wasn't a
show caused order about me. It was to get the
opinion of all the other people in the case. And
there's like twenty lawyers as to whether or not the
fact that we had published stories based upon these eighty
pages whether she still should render a decision. My attorney
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got up and at the very end, at seven minutes,
and tried to ask the judge, now, what was that
order that you said we violated. She shut him down.
She was very rude to him. I basically I was
denied the privilege of being represented by my attorney by
her conduct. He did a good job. But the bottom
(23:38):
line of this is she said, well, now I have
some information, I may order a special investigator to look
into Lahy and see if we should proceed with contempt
of court. That's the summary of it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Buck Okay, why do you think that these writings and
I'm in Nashville born and raised native, Thanks for coming on.
Why do you think these writings, over a year after
the brutal murder of six innocent people by this crazy
trans person, has not been released into the public domain
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in any way.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Well, that's a good question. The Metro National Police Department
have stated that it's still an open investigation. There's an exception,
as you know, since you're an attorney, Clay went to
Vanderbilt law school or I did very well in law
before you did very well in media. There's an exception
to the Sennessee Public Records Acts, which allows police departments
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not to release documents if there's an open investigation. Well,
we're very skeptical that more than a year after there's
still is an open investigation. But that's the reason that
these writings haven't been released. They say, I mean they're lies.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean, is an open investigation. They just never want
to close the investigation. So they're clearly abusing this. But
also the notion, I mean, if you work for the
New York Times, no person with an IQ over fifty
would think that a judge would be calling you inlack All.
You published something that I said is not allowed to
be spoken about or written about. It feels like the
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politics here are coming down on your head because the
left doesn't want this, the truth of this trans terrorist
coming out for the public to see.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Well, interestingly enough, Clay and Buck, we obtained some other
documents legally that are not among the writings that the
judge is reviewing in camera. That's her decision about what
she's going to allow to be released or not. But
one document you may have seen. This a memo from
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the FBI, the Behavioral Analysis Unit out of Quantico, Virginia,
sent May eleventh, twenty twenty three, to the chief of
police here, John Dre That the subject line was protection
of legacy tokens. Do either of you guys, have you
ever heard the term legacy token?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
No?
Speaker 8 (26:01):
No, okay, So it's a term made up by the FBI,
and Buck, you know from your days at the CIA
how these guys work. The memo, the legacy token refers
to a writing or a video or a social media
posting left behind by a mass murderer, because you know,
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when there's a mass murderer, the FBI swoops in to
the local Police Department and they take it over basically
information flow. In this memo to Intronational Police Chief John Drake,
the FBI said, never release these documents because the public
won't understand them, pontificators and pundits will misinterpret them, and
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certain special groups might be hurt by it. I wonder
who they mean by that. But wait, there's more in
that memo. You can go to the tesnistar dot com
tennesseitar dot com and just type an FBI or hit
the covenant a school shooting cab and see. They also said, oh,
by the way, Chief Drake, there is precedent for the
(27:10):
destruction of legacy tokens. They destroyed the basement videos of
the Combine kidder killers back in nineteen ninety nine. Now,
the FBI didn't say destroy these documents, but they said, oh,
by the way, here's this president for destroying documents.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Now we're talking about what Michael Patrick Lahy encouraged you
to go check out the Tennessee Star. A couple of
tight end questions. Here, have you published all of the
documents that you have received at this point or their
other things that you plan to publish. Second part of
this and this builds on what Buck said. Generally speaking,
(27:50):
anytime a journalist is threatened with punishment for publishing something
that is the newsworthy, the media all lines up in
concert by behind them and says, hey, what a brave
steward of journalism this is. Let's go ahead and support them.
Have you gotten any of that coverage or support from
the New York Times, the Washington Post, the ostensible protectors
(28:14):
of democracy. Democracy dies in darkness after all with the
Washington Post? So is there more to come? And secondly,
have the stalwarts of journalism and truth and justice in
America lined up behind you as they oftentimes claim that
they that they would do.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
I'll thank the second question. First, No, nothing from the
New York Times, ABC, NBCCBSC, and N They've said nothing
about my First Amendment rights, and nor for that matter,
of many of the local television stations. I will say
that the Tennessee and has said, has said my saying,
and Cash Till Banner has defended my rights. Here most
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conservative media outlets have in tach defended my rights now
First Amendment rights. But let's go back into Mortcone. Absolutely
there's more to come. We actually have not yet published
any of the eighty pages that we have from the
killers writings, there's probably about five hundred pages or so
that's currently being reviewed by the judge. But I will
(29:12):
tell you this, I have a lot more documents from
the police investigation. I have many crime scene photos. We
haven't published any of them yet, but we have the
right to publish all of them, and we may in
the very very near term. I will point this out
play since you're from Nashville. The police here in Nashville,
and we've got documents to grow with affidavit, subpoenis, etc.
(29:35):
Have known from day one of their investigation March twenty seventh,
twenty twenty three, that Audri Elizabeth Tale was under care
of Vanderbilt Psychiatric Hospital, part of Vanibolt University Medical Center
for twenty two years, from two thousand and one, when
she was six years old to twenty twenty three, when
she was basically twenty eight years old when she died.
(30:00):
I have evidence from the police file that mental health
professionals at Vanderbilt University knew that she had threatened to
kill her father and carry out a shooting and failed
to follow in their duty to warm.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That is a big deal. One last question for me
for you. I've heard that she was interested in shooting
at multiple schools and may not have attacked those other
schools because she saw armed security there and felt like
there would be better response in terms of being able
to protect the kids. Has your reporting uncovered anything of
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that nature.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Her parents were asked in a police interview in July
twenty twenty three why Covenant They didn't know. I can
tell you from what I've seen a first nothing untoward
happened to her from any of our evidence when she
was a student at Covenant School from kindergarten fourth grade.
And I believe the reason she chose Covenant because it
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was a relatively soft target compared to some of the
other targets could have been Opry Mills or others, and
she was familiar with it. That was really the only reason.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Michael Patrick Leahy of the Tennessee Star, editor in chief, Please, Michael,
as this moves along, first of all, do you get
any more heat, let us know so we can help
get the word out, because I think your First Amendment
rights matter, and I think especially in this situation where
there's a lot of political pressure, and please let us know,
as you have developments in the story as well. We
want to continue to follow this here.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Terrific and if anybody wants to support us in our
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
Thanks very much, Michael, thank you, Thank.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
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Speaker 2 (33:14):
Thanks to Michael Patrick Leahy from The Tennessee Star, I'd
encourage you guys to go check that story out because
it is wild to think that we have now had
over a year since six innicent people were killed in
Nashville by a transhooter that, as you heard him say,
has been receiving treatment since the age of six and
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has written all sorts of crazy things and so far
that has not yet been released. And I thought it
was interesting, Buck and you mentioned it and quizdom on
it in particular that they are doing so by saying
they're still in the midst of an ongoing investigation. What
in the world could they still be investigating at this
point in time. I mean, if there were or some
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sort of co conspirator, that person should have been at
rest been a year.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I don't even understand what.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
The investigation that they're using as justification to not release
all these writings could possibly be. And they're five hundred
some odd pages. I think he said of the writings,
if there are some aspects of this writing that you
believe needs to be redacted because there are attacks on
innocent people or people are named, I think most people
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would say that's fine. I as a Nashville resident, I
think it's important that we know what motivated and caused
this shooter to behave in the way that she did.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Well, if the standard is now we can only know
the motive. If the motive is something that advances the
political interests of Democrats, why don't we just come out
and say that, because it seems very clear that if
it is something that is politically a disadvantage for Democrats,
and I really just put it that bluntly, the public
is not allowed to know what the motive of a
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incident of matter murder is or a mass shooting was,
and we've seen this before. I mean I mentioned during
the Obama administration when the Pulse nightclub shooting happened. The
guy is on audio tape, you know, he called in
to he called in to tell everybody why he was
doing it. The FBI released a redacted transcript under Obama
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where they cut out him saying I'm doing this for
Isis and I you know, and I do it for
Allah and you know, all the Jihad Muslim stuff. They
cut that stuff out. You could fill in the blank yourself,
but they cut it out because it didn't fit the
narrative they wanted at the time.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's right, and so I think you should be highly skeptical.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And it's wild to me that all of this coverage,
and I would encourage you again go check out the
Tennessee Star to a large extent being completely ignored. And
we've talked about on this show for three years that
we've been together on here. The biggest power of the media,
as it pertains the New York Times, the Washington Post,
who set the agenda in much of the national print
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publication universe, is what they cover.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That is where their power lies.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
What they choose to treat as a serious story and
what they choose to pretend is not a serious story, obviously,
with what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop as a
primary example of that. We come back. We're going to
be joined by Steven Miller. He will be the Cizar
of the Border in the Trump administration, starting, we hope
in January of twenty twenty five. What does he think
(36:28):
about the new policy that Biden is releasing today as
it pertains to illegals in the country, and where are
we headed next Stephen Miller will join us in just
a few minutes.
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now thanks for
being here. And he's still out there making the rounds
doctor Anthony Fauci. You know, I still think that he
should be wearing two masks, maybe goggles as well. Whenever
(00:21):
he's breathing droplets. He's out there hawking a book. It's
called Anthony Fauci, MD. Of course, of course, on call
a Doctor's Journey in Public Service. I want to vomit,
(00:42):
but here we are. He got paid a five million
dollar advance, which is pretty much like presidential memoir level advance.
I mean, that is as big as advances these days
really get. And that's supermomant.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, that's super important to hit here because this that
that is an unbelievable amount of money to get for someone.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Who well, let's be honest, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's just a giveaway, right, It's just left.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
This is what they do. This is what I always say.
If you are a soldier for the left in politics,
not like an actual soldier, but if you are, if
you are somebody who's willing to, you know, swing a
pipe on the street for them, so to speak, if
you're going to go after their enemies, they will always
protect you. They will always have a job for you,
(01:35):
a sinecure somewhere. They'll always have some uh, some position,
some board seat, some book deal. On the right. It's like,
I don't know, you know, open a small business. Good luck.
Your career in public life is ruined because you stood
up for what's right. I mean, we're not as good
about that at all. Uh, And we don't circle the
wagons the way that we should. But anyway, Fauci is
(01:57):
out there. He's also I think he's worth like fifteen
million dollars or something like that. So somehow, and he's
the highest paid gut Fauci is in a multi million
person federal government payroll. Fauci is the highest paid employee
of the federal government, the single highest which is really
quite something, isn't it. But he's out there and he's
(02:20):
making the rounds. And here, for example, is Fauci on
that this is a big thing. How we couldn't know
fog of war, all this stuff. He was on MSNBC.
I think this was this has cut four play it.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
How frustrating is it to you that people look back
with twenty twenty hindsight and judge you when you and
the rest of the world was in a fog of war.
You know, it is quite frustrating, Joe. They don't appreciate
that we were dealing with a moving target, wear a
mask or not.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
How the virus is spread.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I mean, originally it was felt understandably but incorrectly by
the CDC that it is spread by the same way
that flew as spread, namely mostly by droplets, But in
fact most of the transmission is not only by not droplets,
it's by aerosol, but also fifty to sixty percent of
the people who transmitted have no symptoms at all. We
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didn't know that in the beginning. It was a changing
moving target.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's not just the beginning. Okay, this is what they
love to do now, oh the fog of war. Yeah,
the first month or two we were figuring some stuff out.
But Clay, the fundamental problem with this, with the whole
Fauci approach now and with all the journalists who were
just giving him backrubs for his book. Oh thank you Fauci,
and he's all this humility that he approaches it with. Now,
(03:46):
in retrospect, we couldn't have known what was happening. It
was too difficult to decipher. At the time, it was
shut your face, do it. We're I'll cover your face.
We know I am science and the government's gonna shut
you down. Can't see your parents in the hospital, can't
(04:08):
have your wedding unless you're George Floyd, and then you
can have three funerals, but can't have your funeral. All
the stuff that they did was under the guise of
we are science, we have the answers. Yeah, they never
said we're not sure. This is complicated. So, I mean
they violated the most basic tenets of science in the beginning.
(04:29):
While they're now claiming that they were just you know,
figuring it out as they went. They never said that.
They told millions of morons across the country, we have
the answers, and they believed everything that they said, and
they were shouting at you for not wearing a mask
out on the street.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I sat down with my three kids in April of
twenty twenty. Maybe it was early May, but I think
it was late April because we came to Florida and
spent the whole month of May because I was just
done with COVID already. Then you go back and check
my timeline. I mean, we went out on Cinco de
(05:05):
Mayo to an indoor restaurant in Florida, and I posted
about taking my family out for Cinco de Mayo in
twenty twenty. Go read those comments. But I sat down
with each of my kids. This is why I refuse
to accept what the faucis of the world are trying
to say. Now they've moved from to your point, we
know exactly what everyone in the whole United States has
(05:25):
to do to Well, maybe we were wrong, but you
heard Scarborough there say, well it was the fog of war.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You never could have known it. Somehow.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I sat down with my kids in late April of
twenty twenty and I said, look, you guys are not
really at risk from COVID. All of us are going
to get it. That's likely the way it's going to go,
and we're all going to be fine. A lot of
us are going to probably get it. We'll never know
that we even had it, because that's the way this
COVID works for, especially young people who are healthy. And
(05:54):
I said, you don't need to worry about it at all.
We're not changing our lives. And I was able to
do that with my family, with my boys, who I
care about more than anything in the whole wide world.
But really what they did was it was a huge
IQ test, and massive majorities, I would say, of the
American population failed it. And what it really came down
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to was, can you or can you not understand basic risk?
Can you analyze for yourself and your family members reasonably
intelligent decisions to make for purposes of risk?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And buck?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
When you had me visit the apartment that you were
living in during COVID in New York City, yeah, I
walked in there. We first started to doing It's been
almost three years. This is sometime probably in the fall
of twenty twenty one, when we had been doing the
show for just a little while. I walked in there
and I said. One of the first things I said
was I would have gone insane, like if I had
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been in a high rise building living by myself.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Forced in New York City.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Look, the only reason most people live in New York
City is because you can experience the city.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Most people aren't wealthy enough to have tremendous places to
live in and say, hey, you can go to these parks,
you can go to these plays, you can go to
if you live.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
In Manhattan, and you have like a really yard. You're
you're a Rockefeller. Okay, that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, so the only reason most people live in It's
like for those of you who don't live in New
York City, it's like most people don't go on a
cruise ship for the cruise room. You go on for
the cruise ship. You go on for the places that
you're going to, port of calls, things like that. Most
of the time you're not like, man, this cruise ship
cabin is amazing, unless you're really rich, and you know
then that's different.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But I would have gone insane.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And I mean, I understand why everybody left New York
City who could, who had a better place to go,
But what they did, and the fact that's still and
I feel very fortunate because I lived in Tennessee, I
lived in Florida. My life really didn't change very much
during COVID, But for what they did, for no one
to have been held accountable, and for now for them
(07:52):
to be saying, oh, it's the fog of war. Go
read the comments from what you and I were posting
in twenty twenty. There was no fog of war. Responses
weren't like, well, you know, this is an interesting perspective,
but maybe I disagree with it a little bit. It
was like, you're killing my grandma. You should go to Hell.
I hope you die. That's what people said to me.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I mean, first of all, Biden, let's bring this up
to more of the current, in the sense that they
always just want to focus. In the first sixty days,
Biden gave a speech in which he suggested that people
who weren't getting the COVID vaccine were responsible for a
winter of death. Okay, he actually gave that speech with
the red lights and the Marines in the background, the
whole thing, you know, the Emperor Palpatine speech for the
(08:32):
Star Wars nerds out there. That was total, total garbage. Okay.
The vaccine did not prevent transmission at all. They don't
even pretend that it prevents transmission. So you were no
risk to somebody else because you didn't get the vaccine.
That is a fact. And they divided the country along
those lines. They made people get vaccine passports. In New
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York City, they were trying to make everybody who worked
at a company with more than one hundred employees get
the vaccine as a as a point of federal authority.
The Supreme Court finally stepped in. The Supreme Court should
have steped in. I totally disagree. I thought the Supreme
Court was honestly too whimpy to step in on the
shutting down of churches because they say so no, sorry,
(09:12):
Like the government's not allowed to just say people are
getting sniffles, you can't go to church. I think that
we still as a society haven't even begun to take
full stock of what was done to us. I think
that people just want to move on past it, and
I think that's actually the wrong attitude. I think that
that unfortunately leaves us open to going down this pathway
(09:34):
in the future. I mean, here, for example, we could
do this all day. We're gonna get switch topics here
in a moment. But here is Rachel Maddow, who was saying,
you don't if you get the shot, you don't get COVID,
you don't spread COVID. Remember she was famously on TV
saying that has no feelings of like, oh my gosh,
I was kind of silly. I shouldn't have no. No,
still think she's a genius. Here she is with Fauci
(09:56):
saying that it was dangerous to talk about hydroxychlorican and
iver met and play five.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Was it dangerous for him to promote hydroxychloroquin and I
remected and those other cures multi supposed cures that don't
actually drink coming.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, I mean obviously it is. I mean I don't
want to get into how many numbers of people would
have made the difference, but clearly he missed an opportunity
because there were people out there who knew nothing about this,
who was saying hydroxy chlorocin works, and we know that
not only does it not, but it actually hurts people.
(10:28):
He could have used the bully pulpit of the presidency
to say, hey, listen to the scientists.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But he didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
He is a horrible, vile, evil little smurf Fauci. Okay,
it's not just I disagree with him, Okay, Fauci. So ivermectin,
which is a drug that has saved people around the world,
hundreds of thousands of people from river blindness. The person
who developed the Japanese scientists who developed ivermectin got the
Nobel Prize in Medicine because it was such a huge breakthrough.
(11:00):
Hydroxychloroquin has been used to help people from malaria, millions
of people malarias horror. It can kill you, but it's
also debilitating. You can have relapses. Horrible. Those are safe drugs,
very safe drugs, Clay. You know what was promoted by
Fauci and his little minions putting people on ventilators, which
killed them, which killed them. Well, why isn't Rachel Mattow
(11:23):
asking about Hey, you know, was it dangerous for you,
like the little schmuck that you are, to promote being
on ventilators? Was it dangerous for you to tell everybody
that Remdesevie will save you? No, no, they won't. You know,
remdesivir By. It doesn't work at all. I mean they
were promoting things all along as you remember this didn't
work at all.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Not only that, remember all of the ventilators that we
made that then we ended up selling for scrap metal.
I mean, they they produced because the idea was remember
they were trying to put Trump under the under the
gun here, and they kept saying, remember all the questions,
can you personally guarantee that every single person who needs
(12:05):
a ventilator is going to have one?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We needed to we needed to mobilize, you know, the
military industrial complex in this country in order to get
as many ventilators done as possible. And they were saying,
Trump can't get it done. And then Trump actually paid
the way for it to get done, and none of
the scientists were actually look a lot of it. And
people who were working in New York City in those hospitals,
I've talked to them. They'll tell you this, they'll tell
(12:28):
you it off the record. People were scared. I mean
the medical personnel, we're scared. And they were like, I'm
scared of COVID and I'm talking about people in their forties,
people that had really no risk from COVID, but they
got so freaked out that they wanted to put people
on ventilators and then just see what happens lately. Leave
them be, spend less time with them, don't figure out
(12:49):
what's really going on. And they were pushing. I mean, so,
if you're gonna point fingers at safe drugs, safe enough
that people take them for a whole range of things
like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin, why not take any clay? Why
not take any culpability for pushing people. The only person
that I personally know who died from COVID was one
of the first wave, and he was put on a
(13:10):
ventilator and he lasted weeks of just miserably slowly dying
in the hospital. I think, I truly believe he would
have lived that they had not put him on a ventilator.
I don't know a single person. I mean, I know
people who were elderly and died with four or five
different things, including COVID, But I don't know anyone that
got COVID and died just from COVID. But the ventilator
(13:34):
thing is pretty wild, because again I've met a lot
of you don't know this. All of our taxpayer dollars
we produced whatever it was, millions of ventilators. The vast
majority of them have now been sold for scrap metal
because we had virtually no use for them. And I
would just ask if anyone, I don't know, if anyone
can get to somebody who, whether it's in Congress, we
got a lot of members of Congress listened to the show.
(13:55):
Asked the question that I've asked before about Fauci, which
is why is it that he never wants during the
higher pandemic, said you're going too far. We don't need
to do that, not one time on one. When they
were cutting holes in masks so people could play the
obo in high school, he didn't say that was too far.
(14:15):
When they were when they were making circles in the
park on the ground so people would sit socially distance
from each other, he didn't say that was too much.
When they had kids in plastic bubbles in band practice,
he didn't say, maybe we could take a chill pill.
Everything was everything that was crazy, everything that was for
(14:38):
the anxious freaks to like make us all live under
this tyranny he was in favor of. Never once did
he say, back off, we don't need to do that.
I mean, and I just I can go out all
day long anybody.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The people inside of the inside of the bubbles playing
instruments is and then the people with the masks on
that they cut holes in so they could play the instrument. Yeah,
I mean, it's next level crazy that this ever occurred.
People were building submarines with screen doors, and they thought
that we were the crazy ones, and we're asking, hey,
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. A lot of you
want to weigh in on topics so far. We're going
to be joined by Mac Michael Patrick Leahy from the
Tennessee Star on this trans shooter. Let's try to get
in a couple of calls if we can. Michael in Iowa,
what you got.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Fun?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I was gonna weigh on Pauci, but you know, as
far as the trans shooter goes, it's it's something to
where it's like, all right, pretty much speech is out
the window, I guess at this point, and somebody's gonna
go to jail for just calling it like it is,
you know, and it's something that the mainstream media wants
to ignore and we're shedding light on it. But when
(17:17):
it's a you know, a white shooter or something like that,
it's like, well they're under a magnifying glass because well
it fits their narrative and yeah, it's it's it's unreal.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So thank you for the call, and it's no doubt buck,
and we'll talk about this in just a sec. But
the fact that it's been over a year, even in
a red state like Tennessee, and even in an area
like Nashville, they can't get the truth out because the
narrative is challenged, and so the protection mechanisms kick in.
And you know as well as I do, that this
has been some crazy right wing shooter, lunatic. It would
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have been out within a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Absolutely true. We'll get back into this coming up here momentarily,
my friends. We will also be joined later on by
Steven Miller, so looking forward to talking to him about that.
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All right, welcome back in team. We have Michael Patrick
Lahey with us now. He's the CEO and editor in
chief of The Tennessee Star. Michael, thanks for making the
time for this is I can't say it's hard to
believe in America today, but it does show just how
far the fight against the First Amendment has gone. And
(19:11):
the way that journalists are not all rallying to your
cause is not surprising, but it's still distressing. So you
have been called and this is about the Tennessee I'm sorry,
the Nashville trans shooter manifesto. You've written about some of
this in the Tennessee Star, and you had to appear
in court because the judge was threatening sanctions against your
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news organization. Tell us what's going on.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Here even worse than that? Blacca, thanks for having me on,
by the way worse than that I received. On June tenth,
my attorney received a show cause hearing order from Judge
Lashia Miles, who's hearing the case in Nashville's Chantry Court,
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a case that we're a plaintiff in where we and
several others, including the Tennessee and the Tennessee Firearms Association,
back in May of twenty twenty three, asked the judge
to follow the Tennessee Public Records Act and release all
of the writings of the Covenant Killer, twenty eight year
old Audioli Kale, who killed six Nashville residents at the
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Covenant School on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. So
all of the writings from the killer have been turned
over to the judge for her review. She's been resuwing
them for about a year, probably about five hundred pages
of twenty journals and one operational plan for the day
that she carried out this task. I obtained legally on
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before June fifth, the eighty pages from one of those journals,
the most recent one, and also some files from the
criminal investigation record, and then we began writing stories based
upon those pages from the journal, but we didn't publish
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any of them. We wrote stories, probably twenty twenty five
on the journals. We wrote a number of stories based
on the other documents that we'd received that weren't under
her review. And so out of the blue, Out of
the blue, Monday evening, last Monday evening, we got this
order from the court, and she said, the Court sets
(21:30):
the show cause hearing to determine why the alleged publication
of certain purported documents by the Tennessee Star and Michael
Patrick Lay does not violate the orders of the court
subjecting them to contempt proceedings and sanctions. But the weird
part about this book is earlier that day. In this order,
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the judge said, the court received a media call requesting
a comment or a statement regarding the Tennessee Star publication
alleged publication of certain purported documents. That call was made
to the judge from a reporter at WSMV Television here
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an NBC affiliate, Stacy Cameron, who we scooped, and apparently
he was pretty mad about it, and he made false
representations to the court. So that's how their hearing was
set up. So I show up there yesterday to answer
the court's claims we didn't violate any court order. I
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had a terrific attorney, Daniel Horowitz, in the first First
Amendment specialist. I'd also been represented by Nick Berry America
First Legal in the ongoing case. The judge heard from
everybody else except for my attorney until the very end,
(22:54):
and she talked about something entirely different. It wasn't a
show caused order about me. It was to get the
opinion of all the other people in the case. And
there's like twenty lawyers as to whether or not the
fact that we had published stories based upon these eighty
pages whether she still should render a decision. My attorney
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got up and at the very end, at seven minutes,
and tried to ask the judge, now, what was that
order that you said we violated. She shut him down.
She was very rude to him. I basically I was
denied the privilege of being represented by my attorney by
her conduct. He did a good job. But the bottom
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line of this is she said, well, now I have
some information, I may order a special investigator to look
into Lahy and see if we should proceed with contempt
of court. That's the summary of it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Buck Okay, why do you think that these writings and
I'm in Nashville born and raised native, Thanks for coming on.
Why do you think these writings, over a year after
the brutal murder of six innocent people by this crazy
trans person, has not been released into the public domain
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in any way.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Well, that's a good question. The Metro National Police Department
have stated that it's still an open investigation. There's an exception,
as you know, since you're an attorney, Clay went to
Vanderbilt law school or I did very well in law
before you did very well in media. There's an exception
to the Sennessee Public Records Acts, which allows police departments
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not to release documents if there's an open investigation. Well,
we're very skeptical that more than a year after there's
still is an open investigation. But that's the reason that
these writings haven't been released. They say, I mean they're lies.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean, is an open investigation. They just never want
to close the investigation. So they're clearly abusing this. But
also the notion, I mean, if you work for the
New York Times, no person with an IQ over fifty
would think that a judge would be calling you inlack All.
You published something that I said is not allowed to
be spoken about or written about. It feels like the
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politics here are coming down on your head because the
left doesn't want this, the truth of this trans terrorist
coming out for the public to see.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Well, interestingly enough, Clay and Buck, we obtained some other
documents legally that are not among the writings that the
judge is reviewing in camera. That's her decision about what
she's going to allow to be released or not. But
one document you may have seen. This a memo from
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the FBI, the Behavioral Analysis Unit out of Quantico, Virginia,
sent May eleventh, twenty twenty three, to the chief of
police here, John Dre That the subject line was protection
of legacy tokens. Do either of you guys, have you
ever heard the term legacy token?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
No?
Speaker 8 (26:01):
No, okay, So it's a term made up by the FBI,
and Buck, you know from your days at the CIA
how these guys work. The memo, the legacy token refers
to a writing or a video or a social media
posting left behind by a mass murderer, because you know,
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when there's a mass murderer, the FBI swoops in to
the local Police Department and they take it over basically
information flow. In this memo to Intronational Police Chief John Drake,
the FBI said, never release these documents because the public
won't understand them, pontificators and pundits will misinterpret them, and
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certain special groups might be hurt by it. I wonder
who they mean by that. But wait, there's more in
that memo. You can go to the tesnistar dot com
tennesseitar dot com and just type an FBI or hit
the covenant a school shooting cab and see. They also said, oh,
by the way, Chief Drake, there is precedent for the
(27:10):
destruction of legacy tokens. They destroyed the basement videos of
the Combine kidder killers back in nineteen ninety nine. Now,
the FBI didn't say destroy these documents, but they said, oh,
by the way, here's this president for destroying documents.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Now we're talking about what Michael Patrick Lahy encouraged you
to go check out the Tennessee Star. A couple of
tight end questions. Here, have you published all of the
documents that you have received at this point or their
other things that you plan to publish. Second part of
this and this builds on what Buck said. Generally speaking,
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anytime a journalist is threatened with punishment for publishing something
that is the newsworthy, the media all lines up in
concert by behind them and says, hey, what a brave
steward of journalism this is. Let's go ahead and support them.
Have you gotten any of that coverage or support from
the New York Times, the Washington Post, the ostensible protectors
(28:14):
of democracy. Democracy dies in darkness after all with the
Washington Post? So is there more to come? And secondly,
have the stalwarts of journalism and truth and justice in
America lined up behind you as they oftentimes claim that
they that they would do.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
I'll thank the second question. First, No, nothing from the
New York Times, ABC, NBCCBSC, and N They've said nothing
about my First Amendment rights, and nor for that matter,
of many of the local television stations. I will say
that the Tennessee and has said, has said my saying,
and Cash Till Banner has defended my rights. Here most
(28:52):
conservative media outlets have in tach defended my rights now
First Amendment rights. But let's go back into Mortcone. Absolutely
there's more to come. We actually have not yet published
any of the eighty pages that we have from the
killers writings, there's probably about five hundred pages or so
that's currently being reviewed by the judge. But I will
(29:12):
tell you this, I have a lot more documents from
the police investigation. I have many crime scene photos. We
haven't published any of them yet, but we have the
right to publish all of them, and we may in
the very very near term. I will point this out
play since you're from Nashville. The police here in Nashville,
and we've got documents to grow with affidavit, subpoenis, etc.
(29:35):
Have known from day one of their investigation March twenty seventh,
twenty twenty three, that Audri Elizabeth Tale was under care
of Vanderbilt Psychiatric Hospital, part of Vanibolt University Medical Center
for twenty two years, from two thousand and one, when
she was six years old to twenty twenty three, when
she was basically twenty eight years old when she died.
(30:00):
I have evidence from the police file that mental health
professionals at Vanderbilt University knew that she had threatened to
kill her father and carry out a shooting and failed
to follow in their duty to warm.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That is a big deal. One last question for me
for you. I've heard that she was interested in shooting
at multiple schools and may not have attacked those other
schools because she saw armed security there and felt like
there would be better response in terms of being able
to protect the kids. Has your reporting uncovered anything of
(30:38):
that nature.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Her parents were asked in a police interview in July
twenty twenty three why Covenant They didn't know. I can
tell you from what I've seen a first nothing untoward
happened to her from any of our evidence when she
was a student at Covenant School from kindergarten fourth grade.
And I believe the reason she chose Covenant because it
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was a relatively soft target compared to some of the
other targets could have been Opry Mills or others, and
she was familiar with it. That was really the only reason.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Michael Patrick Leahy of the Tennessee Star, editor in chief, Please, Michael,
as this moves along, first of all, do you get
any more heat, let us know so we can help
get the word out, because I think your First Amendment
rights matter, and I think especially in this situation where
there's a lot of political pressure, and please let us know,
as you have developments in the story as well. We
want to continue to follow this here.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Terrific and if anybody wants to support us in our
legal fees here Tennessee Star dot com slash donate.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Thanks very much, Michael, thank you, Thank.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
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Speaker 2 (33:14):
Thanks to Michael Patrick Leahy from The Tennessee Star, I'd
encourage you guys to go check that story out because
it is wild to think that we have now had
over a year since six innicent people were killed in
Nashville by a transhooter that, as you heard him say,
has been receiving treatment since the age of six and
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has written all sorts of crazy things and so far
that has not yet been released. And I thought it
was interesting, Buck and you mentioned it and quizdom on
it in particular that they are doing so by saying
they're still in the midst of an ongoing investigation. What
in the world could they still be investigating at this
point in time. I mean, if there were or some
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sort of co conspirator, that person should have been at
rest been a year.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I don't even understand what.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
The investigation that they're using as justification to not release
all these writings could possibly be. And they're five hundred
some odd pages. I think he said of the writings,
if there are some aspects of this writing that you
believe needs to be redacted because there are attacks on
innocent people or people are named, I think most people
(34:28):
would say that's fine. I as a Nashville resident, I
think it's important that we know what motivated and caused
this shooter to behave in the way that she did.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Well, if the standard is now we can only know
the motive. If the motive is something that advances the
political interests of Democrats, why don't we just come out
and say that, because it seems very clear that if
it is something that is politically a disadvantage for Democrats,
and I really just put it that bluntly, the public
is not allowed to know what the motive of a
(34:59):
incident of matter murder is or a mass shooting was,
and we've seen this before. I mean I mentioned during
the Obama administration when the Pulse nightclub shooting happened. The
guy is on audio tape, you know, he called in
to he called in to tell everybody why he was
doing it. The FBI released a redacted transcript under Obama
(35:22):
where they cut out him saying I'm doing this for
Isis and I you know, and I do it for
Allah and you know, all the Jihad Muslim stuff. They
cut that stuff out. You could fill in the blank yourself,
but they cut it out because it didn't fit the
narrative they wanted at the time.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
That's right, and so I think you should be highly skeptical.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And it's wild to me that all of this coverage,
and I would encourage you again go check out the
Tennessee Star to a large extent being completely ignored. And
we've talked about on this show for three years that
we've been together on here. The biggest power of the media,
as it pertains the New York Times, the Washington Post,
who set the agenda in much of the national print
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publication universe, is what they cover.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That is where their power lies.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
What they choose to treat as a serious story and
what they choose to pretend is not a serious story, obviously,
with what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop as a
primary example of that. We come back. We're going to
be joined by Steven Miller. He will be the Cizar
of the Border in the Trump administration, starting, we hope
in January of twenty twenty five. What does he think
(36:28):
about the new policy that Biden is releasing today as
it pertains to illegals in the country, and where are
we headed next Stephen Miller will join us in just
a few minutes.
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