June 20, 2024 • 36 mins
SCOTUS decisions come down and more looming. Fear of terrorists infiltrating Biden’s open border. Fauci hawks his book on The View. It’s hot, so, to Democrats, it must be “climate change.” How they’re messaging Biden before the big debate. Ukraine will end up costing $1 trillion. Trump case to decide the limits of presidential power. Poll finds Trump down just 8 in NY. A dose of MSNBC’s Morning Joe. What’s at stake in 2024. Callers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thursday edition of Clay and Buck starts right now. Thanks
for joining everybody from all across this great land of ours.
Clay is at the live golf tournament today, so he's out.
Gonna be just me Buck so Low taking you on
a joy ride through all of the latest headlines, analysis
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and all the rest of.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It, and we will dive into all that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I've got a day off tomorrow actually traveling family stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Clay will be in so Low and.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Then he'll also be solo Monday, so we're trading off
a couple of days here. A lot of news to
get to. We got Fauci on the view. Get excited.
Fauci's making the rounds. He's got a book to sell.
He wants to tell you how wonderful he is.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And I'm not letting this go.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
If I am the media nemesis of Fauci, that would
be a title that I would feel honored. We've got
some Scotus decisions. Well one came down today and it
was a womp womp, not important, but some big ones looming.
Real concerns about infiltration of terrorists, specifically Jie hottist terrorists
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at our border and tying into a small country in
Central Asia that doesn't get a lot of attention, not Afghanistan.
Nearby to Afghanistan, we shall discuss that. We've also got
the usual with Democrat politicians. It's hot outside, so it
must be climate change. And to them, I just want
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to say, including the governor of New York, who we
will hear from in a SoundBite in a little bit,
well why don't you just call it global warming? Why
don't you just go with it? You know, why not
lean in and say that it is global warming that
because then when things get really cold, it's really hard
to make the case that it's global warming. So it's
climate change. Anyway, we'll have some fun with that. Also,
(02:00):
more on the way that they are trying to message
Biden and all things of Bidenism going into the debate
next week. Wait, it's a week away, right, a week
away from today. I was gonna say, le's the week
a week away from today, so it's going to be
here before you know it. I mean, look, I'm honored
that we get to be with you here in what
(02:23):
is I think just going to be the most insane,
absurd election season we have ever seen in many ways.
But I wanted to start off with if I could
on the Scotish rulings that came down today, because it's
really more about what's coming what's coming up, and I
think the effects that those rulings are likely to have
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all the presidential election. We don't just have Supreme Court
decisions coming down in the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
We've got a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They are going to come fast and furious, and they
are also going to have a major impact on the
political landscape. Enormous impact, I think in the cases involving
Trump and January sixth matters. So let me just tell
you first what happened today. It was a case about
taxing overseas.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Holdings or something.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is a tax issue not particularly interesting other than I
think worth noting that we are far too heavily taxed,
that we have the most aggressive global regime of extra
extra territorial taxation of any country, certainly any normal westernized
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country or developed country on the planet, and we just
keep accepting it. Meanwhile, we're on a pathway to fifty
trillion dollars in debt in the next couple of decades.
It's going to get really ugly out there with the
enormous payments we're going to have to make just to
pay for the money we've already borrowed. And you see
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when social Security is set to run out, you see
when Medicare is set to run out, and yet we're
still sending, you know, billions, hundreds of billions to Ukraine.
As I've said from the beginning, trillion dollar check going
to Ukraine, guaranteed, guaranteed when they add it all up,
whenever this thing, and it might not be over for years,
years and years to come, whenever they add it all up,
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you'll have spent over a trillion dollars so that the
eastern portions of Ukraine are not in the hands of
the Russian Federation.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But we're doing all that, We're spending ourselves into oblivion.
So that's a big, big problem, a big challenge. And
then we have these Supreme Court decisions looming. Like I said,
not a big one today, but we've got a few
big ones that are coming up in the next week
or two. We will find out. I don't think they'll
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do it right on messical they drop.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
One of these on the debate day. I suppose that
would be possible.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But you've got criminal charges against President Donald Trump being
looked at an abortion case, a guns case, some social
media protection for minors stuff. I think there's a few
social media cases. What I think is a fascinating case
on homelessness that I'm going to dive into here in
a second. And then Chevron doctrine, which has to do
with the power of executive agencies. Chevron Doctrine sounds boring,
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but it has to do with whether or not, you know,
the EPA and these other government bodies, congressionally congressionally constructed
executive branch agencies, whether they get to effectively.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Make law or not. That's a big deal. It's a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's not a Supreme Court case that necessarily gets people
who aren't court watchers excited, but it does make a
big difference in your lives. I mean, I remember doing
some of these stories back in my early days at
the Blaze when the Obama administration was get really aggressive
over protecting quote, wetlands, and you would find out that
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there are people who have, like, you know, a drainage
swamp in their backyard. They do something about it. Now
the EPA wants to find them fifteen thousand dollars a
day or something until they turn the swamp.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Back on effectively, or they may.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's crazy stuff that these executive agencies, and they are
a fourth branch of government. So that's the Chevron doctrine
case that's coming down. I think that's an important one.
You also have the big one, the biggest one by
far is presidential immunity Clay, and I see that one
the same way we have all along. I don't know
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anybody who I trust on legal matters who sees the
outcome differently in terms of the decision. I mean, whether
it's five four or sixty three, we'll see, But I
think what they'll say is that the president has immunity
in president like duties, in presidential things. So that makes sense.
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As we've said all along, you can't actually have a
situation where the president can you bludget his secretary to
death with a paperweight or something in the oval office,
and then you say, well, I'm the president, so you
know it can't prosecute me. That's not the system that
we have or we want. But if a president says
I'm calling in a strike on this country as part
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of our national security, or I'm doing something that is
in the duties, this is true of law enforcement officers.
It was true when I was in the CIA. Right,
if I did something CIA like, I could at least
theoretically expect to have some degree of federal protection in
my actions.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Most likely it's not always the case.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But if I was just driving home and I got
into road rage and I ran somebody off the road,
I can't say, well, I was an official CIA business
or I'm a CIA officer. Not like that matters to
anybody anyway, Probably throw me in prison longer now. So
that's going to be pretty straightforward. Where I don't think
it's straightforward. And Clay and I see this one differently.
(08:09):
Is I think that Jack Smith has realized the New
York case is a total nothing burger in terms of
the polls. So he's got to go all out to
at least bring that j six trial before the election,
to at least get it started and try to get
Trump in that courtroom every day. He'll do everything that
he possibly can. If we're relying on So this is
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the way it's going to go. Supreme Court in the
next two weeks, I think sometimes it's gone into the
first week of July. Like I said, twenty cases left
to go. So this is usually they've gotten most of
the cases already released. They're leaving a lot here for
the last couple of weeks of June. But the way
that I think this goes down, Supreme Court will say
there's qualified immunity for the president or specified I should
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say specified immunity for the president, and here's what it is.
And then Judge Chuckkin is going to go into just
ludicrous speed. Okay, great, here we go, give me your motions.
Let's go. Let's try to get this. And then that
Trump team will try to appeal it. But the appeals
court will say, oh, okay, we'll rule on this. Remember
it's all in DC, the same courts that have moved
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at incredibly fast speed because this is all about politics
and they know it. So then the appeals court, which
is the circuit court instead of the district court, will
move as fast as they can, give the lawyers on
the Trump team as little time as possible to respond,
and then they'll try to take it up to the
Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Again.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
If the Supreme Court takes it, maybe they run out
the clock before the election and this trial doesn't happen.
But if the Supreme Court does not intervene and lets
this play out in the lower courts. I think there's
a very good chance that they're going to get that
trial started. So that's what really matters about that decision.
It's really more even about that for Trump, it's more
about the timing than anything else. It is also the
first time that you'll have a precedent set in the
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courts for what the limits of presidential power are, which
has never been touched on, I'm sorry, presidential immunity rather,
which has never been touched on before. You know, what
is the legal immunity level of a president. There's been
DOJ memos on it, but that'll be important. The other
really big one that is out there that will have
I think an effect on the election as well, is
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the usage of an obstruction statute against J six protesters.
The big problem they have with this one is they've
thrown the book and then some they've thrown the book,
the kitchen sink, one of those you know anvils that
they drop on people and cartoons back in the day,
Like they've thrown everything at the J six protesters. Under
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this statute, they possibly can and it has a long
possible prison sentence and every pretty much every federal crime,
they can send you to prison for ten or twenty
years just you know, if they want to.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
They usually don't.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
There's guidelines, but you know, the judge can ignore the
guidelines every federal I mean, if you lie, it's five years.
You know, if you do minor financial stuff, maybe it's
five years. But everything else is ten years, twenty years life,
ten years, twenty years life. Federal sentences are generally very
heavy handed, and they used an obstruction of government statue
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to go after all these J six protesters. Well what
about all the other protests that have happened, and why
is there's no specificity or there's no specification for this
particular day that Congress convenes is in some way, you know,
more sacred than a whole range of other federal government activities,
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including federal government activities that have been obstructed by left
wing protesters. So how do they explain the disparity? We
know the disparities politics, But the Supreme Court maywait, may
weigh in on this one, and that could mean that
a lot of J six protesters have their sentences either
dramatically reduce, they'll demand, you know, a retrial or you know,
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an appeal, So that's a very realistic possibility. And then
the other one that I think is going to be
and I find this fascinating too. The other case that
will be coming down shortly, and this one is expected
to go a certain way as well.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Is this case that has.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
To do with camping in public homeless tense essentially on
the playground on your corner. You know, of course, the liberals,
the leftists on the court want people.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
To be able to camp.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know, if your public school has a playground or
a public park next to it, they want drug addicts
to be able to live there. That's what they think
America is now. They want those, they want people that
are I want to get into this. It's the City
of Grant's Pass, Oregon versus v. Johnson, and I want
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to address this case because it goes to so much
of what we are seeing on the crime side of
things in this country and the permissiveness that Democrats always
find a way to try and justify. So we'll get
into this. Oh, the also the notion of unhoused people.
That's a big part of this. Unhoused people. This is
now what you call homeless. We have a new term.
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We have a new term, and I'll break down why
that's being used, undocumented unhoused. You'll notice the usage of
that prefix calls out for a solution. House them, document them.
Then it's all.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
All figured out right, Then it's all finished.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Undocumented unhoused, make them documented, make them house.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We'll discuss that.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And speaking of undocumented, the wide open border, I mean
it is now a simple matter, a simple matter for
any Jihattis terrorist group anywhere in the world to infiltrate
the United States. Easy, easy as can be, and nobody
would doubt it. So it's a real risk, it's a
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real challenge. It's something we need to talk about and
take action on. I think that that's one of the
critical things that Trump can do, assuming we can help
push him across the line into this victory. We'll talk
about it. Also, make sure you give me a ring
any of these topics. Love to hear from you. Eight
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breaking news, so let's analyze, let's get into it. Let's
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I love being able to bring you little bits of
encouraging news. Right I won't say good because it's early
and we don't know, but encouraging news something that it's
fun to get to share with you.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know, before we talk about.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
The wide open border and the easy infiltration by jihadist
elements from all over the world to be able to
pull off a mass casualty attack very easily. We'll talk
about that later because that's really concerning, but let's do
some encouraging news right now about the election. Trump in
New York, according to the latest Siena polling, is down
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by just eight percent eight percent in New York State.
This is something that I love to see. By the way,
he is surging with in New York according to the
same poll black and Jewish voters. That's noteworthy, I think,
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because it makes perfect sense why Trump in New York
would be beginning to see a surge in support with
black voters. I think one Biden hasn't delivered for.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Them straight up. That's pretty clear too.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The Democrat obsession with handing out all kinds of you know,
freebies to illegals and to also creating more competition for
hourly wage work because of all the illegals coming into
the country to supply and demand, you know, still as
a thing, whether Democrats wanted to be or not. I
think the black community, some of the black community, not
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huge numbers, I know, but this is the trend within
the Black community right now.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
In the polls sees this. And then in the Jewish community.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's pretty straightforward, right Biden is a coward and is
backstabbing Israel and net Yahoo as fast as he can
because he's desperate and it's all about politics for him.
So it's not just a poll. Oh, the poll has
a margin of era four points, so Trump could be
within four theoretically. Think about that in New York right now.
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It's a big deal. Big deal to some other encouraging
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Speaker 2 (18:58):
Looking at the state of.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
The rain right now, as we are just a week
away from that pivotial.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Which is a word you will hear a lot about
the upcoming debate, pivotal debate.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But we are just a week away, and everyone's looking
very closely at what's going on here with the polls,
but also with the overall overarching narratives of these two campaigns.
There's a lot riding on this. I mean, I think
there's four years of government mismanagement, petty tyranny, crazy leftist policy,
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you know, being laughed at on the world stage by
anybody who's a near peer ally or enemy. If Biden
wins and their side, their side thinks that it's the
end of the country as we know it. It's the
end of the country as we know it, and we
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will not still be fine, we will not feel fine.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It will be bad.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I am not exaggerating this, as you know, it's it's
really something that's being said all the time. I've I've
been saying that I have enjoyed watching.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Some MSNBC recently.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
What I realized is that MSNBC, it's it's as though
it's really a surveillance camera that they've put in a
therapy session where people just have constant panic attacks over
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Oh my gosh, Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But you know, they're just constantly freaking out about Donald Trump.
That is what MSNBC's content mostly is that, and ostentatious
diversity in their conversations in there, you know, at the
guest round tables, everything all we need, we need, there's
never enough DEI but you know that they're particularly freaked
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out about this. Oh wait here, I'm sorry, Joe Scarborough.
This is this is what he says, Just Garborough on
the Putin Kim so Putin met with Kim Jong un,
and he's comparing that two.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
If Trump wins in twenty two, this is cut eighteen.
Play it.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
And earlier today, the North Korean leader hosted Putin for
a lavish welcome ceremony with portraits and both leaders strewn
in top surrounding buildings throughout the nearby sea streets.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Think Washington, d C. In twenty twenty five. If Donald
Trump wins, that's right.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Trump is just like Kim Jong un and Putin. They're
completely insane. Let's go back to uh, let's go back
to what they're telling us in the I could just
play clip after clip of the various mental health breakdowns
that Democrats have at the mere thought of Trump being president. Reminder,
we all know he was president and other than the
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whole COVID situation, which is a very complicated topic, but
the three years of Trump getting to be a president
without a global pandemic that was foisted upon us by
China and their lab then you would have had you
have a really solid presidency. What is the horrible thing
I always I don't talk to you know. I guess
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I'm at a point now where enough people know who
I am that meet me at least or that talk
to me, that they generally don't go there, including the Libs.
I feel like earlier on in my life in media,
people come up, they'd be like, I have I have
a bone to pick with you, Sarah. I'm like, oh,
this is going to be a fun conversation, you know,
like here we go. Or the other one is I.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Have I have something you've never thought of before.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You need to take this into account before you're all
pro Trump and blah blah.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I've probably thought of it before.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I hate to break it to the hysterical libs probably
considered I know their arguments better than they do, and
I know that their arguments are bad. But I I
I've got to say. I sit here and and I
think about what the terrible thing is that they think
that Trump did. And it's amazing because I'd say, you
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think he's gonna do all these horrible things this time,
it's gonna be so horrible.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
What was the terrible thing in the.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
First term and his his top advisor was effectively a Democrat,
Jared Kushner, longtime known Democrat.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Okay, so that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Jared had more sway and advice in that White House
than probably anybody else. His daughter Ivanka was also a
senior advisor. She's a moderate. There were some golden sacks
folks that were brought in.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I mean you really look at it. You look at
the cabinet and you look at the choices that were made.
We got tax cuts, we got I mean it was good.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
He did a good job, a million times better than Biden.
But where's the radicalism that they're so freaked out about?
I mean, it really is just so personal for them
because he makes fun of them, and they wake up
every day whether it's the New York Times or MSNBC
or Democrat politicians or super wealthy you know, Silicon Valley
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or Wall Street democrats. Remember Wall Street goes mostly for
Democrats these days. You know, they want to feel like
they're superior to everybody else. And Trump comes along and
he's like, I'm not impressed. I think you're kind of
a bunch of clowns. It's deeply personal for them, and
if you see it that way. So much of the
rest of it makes sense because when you look at
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the policies, Oh what people that are people that are
on their way to East Hampton from you know, the
Upper East or Upper West Side every every week. Those
who don't know, that's super fancy place in Long Island
where the rich people in New York City go. You know,
all the people you see on CN and an MSNBC,
Trust me, that's where they are every weekend. Oh, they
care so much about kids in cages at the border,
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and they care so much about you know, the Muslim bend,
and no, they like to talk about how much they
care about those. This doesn't affect them at all, doesn't
affect them at all. And they don't care about the
people who are working class, who have millions and millions
of illegals in their neighborhoods clogging the emergency rooms with
routine care requests. And you know, that doesn't sound like
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a big deal until you know it catch like a
band saw on the shoulder when you're working in the
shop and you really need help right now.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You don't want an overworked and you know, under triaged
er because people are going in there for vision tests
but that's what you have.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They don't care about any of this.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Ask them what the terrible scary policy. It's one of
the best ways you can deal with your Trump hating neighbor,
other than just not talking to them, which is I
highly advise in most cases.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I have people who ask me this too. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They'll say, what do you do when people come up
to you and they want a debate in your life?
And I say that, I just I'm as I'm as
neutral and boring as I can possibly be, because I
just give them nowhere to go. You know, people who
don't really know me, but maybe they know a little bit,
they'll come up they're like, well, what you.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Think about the fact that Trump there's a thirty four.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Phone and say things like, yeah, it's the crazy world
we live in.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I love. That drives them nuts. It drives them nuts.
Oh man, they're so unhinged. It's so much fun, you know,
but don't you realize that Trump is a threat to
our democracy?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And like, man, interesting stuff going on these days? You know,
just if you just lean into it with that, you know,
they because they can't really get mad at you.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
For that, so they're just they're like, come on, say something,
and you're like.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Ah, I don't know if I want to play this game.
I think I just want to hang out. I think
I'm gonna go go to the other side of the
room and pretend like I'm not dealing with this person.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Who thinks that Anthony Fauci is a good person.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
We'll get to the Fauci stuff in a little bit,
but that's I always think it's it's fascinating if you
actually compare the reality of Trump term one to what
they say is going to happen in Trump term two.
These people are delusional, They're in some state of psychological duress,
like something has happened to them. They're they're neurologically compromised
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by Trump. He has broken them emotionally. Otherwise, you can't
really explain any of this stuff right, doesn't make any
sense if Trump wins, and I certainly hope and I
think he will. I said that all along, I think
Trump will win. I'm not celebrating early, because we know
I think that's one of the most devastating mistakes that
one can make in life in general, celebrate too early.
(27:29):
I'm not celebrating. We have a hard, hard fight ahead.
I think it's going to be close. By the way,
I don't think it's going to be some enormous Trump
red wave. I think it'll be maybe in the electoral
college it'll look really good. But in terms of the
overall votes cast, when you look at as a percentage
of population, it's going to be very small. And here's
why I say this. I say it because even Frank Luntz,
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the polster, is saying that you look at what's gone
on post conviction for Trump, and you cannot ignore or
these numbers. It's not just that Iowa is going well
for Trump. We had Governor Reynolds on yesterday like almost
twenty point advantage in Iowa. I think it's eighteen was
the latest polling in Iowa. What does that mean for Michigan?
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What does that mean for Minnesota? This has cut seven.
Listen to what pollster Lunz has to say to me.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
It's not that Donald Trump is winning so big in Iowa.
That's not the story. It's that he's making it close
in Minnesota. Minnesota is a reliable Democratic state and votes
Democrat in every presidential campaign and poll after poll, I
see Trump within two or three points in Minnesota. I
don't think the media understands exactly what's going on right now. Yes,
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Trump dropped a few points after being found guilty on
thirty four felony accounts, but remember this, that would have
destroyed any candidate as recently as ten years.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Ago, any candidate as recently as ten years ago, and
yet here we are. Trump is the exception. Trump is
the unstoppable force in this matter. It's fascinating to see
how this is going. And I think that the Democrats
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must recognize there is the very real possibility that in
breaking the glass and breaking all their norms and crossing
the rubicon many times over. I don't know how many
cliches I can work in here, but they will have
created the very platform upon which Trump leaps to reelection.
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That's a real possibility.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't know if that's what's going to happen, but
they've got to be worried about that, especially given what
we were talking about with their absurd levels of fear
over Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I would just say the.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Democrats have got to look at something like Minnesota and say,
if it's close in Minnesota, how could we have a
prayer in the true toss up states and how are
they going to turn this around? We'll get into it.
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Speaker 2 (32:22):
What's going on? Kurt?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hey? How you doing? Honor? Thank you so much? You'd
be you're doing rush so much?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Proud, that's great, Thank you, sir, very kind. What's on
your mind.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
With regards to the debate. I don't I don't you know.
If Trump doesn't do well, I don't think it hurts
so much. But I think it's a complete setup. We've
acquiesque everything that benefits Biden. We're sitting down, and the
concerns of mine, least of which are Dana ash and
Jake Tapper CNN. Are this whole shutting your mic OFFF
(32:54):
think they're gonna shut Trump's mic off when he makes
too much sense, and they're gonna shut by off when
he starts making no sense.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I don't think they're sitting. I don't think they're sitting.
I think there was a story out that that Biden
wanted to sit. But my cause I don't remember seeing this,
I read through the rules as they stood yesterday.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Guy A Team.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Am I wrong on that one. I haven't seen that
they're sitting. I believe they're standing for the debate. But well,
we'll check on that one. As for the MIC's issue, Kurt,
which you raise here, this could go either way.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
For me.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
It's really going to depend on Trump, I think, because
he was very aggressive in the twenty twenty debate and
it you know, I know this from radio. People sometimes
say why don't you have people on to debate on radio? Well,
especially without the visual of TVs, you can at least
see people's facial gestures and hands and audio over audio,
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it just is a garbled mess, right, and you don't
want that in a presidential debate, and if you're the
one who's instigating that. By the way, I thought Joe
Biden got away with a lot of that when he
debated Paul Ryan back in the day. I thought he
was really aggressive and snide. But you know, at worked
they won, So I could see it going either way.
Because to me, Trump letting Biden talk may actually benefit
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Trump a lot. You know what I'm saying, it's not
like you have some really eloquent Democrat who is going
to sound good even if they're spewing nonsense. You know,
whether it's like a Gavin Newsomer or somebody who is
silver tongue, so to speak, but you know, very slimy.
I think that Biden might do more damage to himself
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by getting more time to speak clearly into the mic.
So I'm not sure that it's going to be an
issue for Trump. It depends on his deportment. But I
agree with you that they've they've made a lot of
concessions to Biden. I absolutely would not have allowed two
CNN anchors to moderate this debate, all right. I worked
at CNN for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
They wanted to keep me working at CNN, which I
thought was hilarious. I was like, I'm out of this place.
They I absolutely disagree with that. There are better There
are much better options. There are people who I think
could have been But by the way, just in CNN
in general, I'm not I think of the possibilities at CNN,
(35:11):
you know, they they went with uh, you know that
they could have They could have done worse at CNN
for sure, but I think that they should have not
allowed such an obviously part as a network to moderate this.
It's really a network thing for me. Uh, David in Jackson, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
What's going on, David buck Sexton? Mister Sexton. I don't
know how to proper properly address you, sir, but as
the United States Marine honorably from decades ago, a lot
of decades, appreciate your service for sure, some.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
For five Thank you, sir for your service. Thank you
for calling in. So what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Just trying to break it down? Of course we can
talk about Biden forever. What's Trump's message I think has
to lay out to the American people and a lot
of the American public trust in the worldwide stage included, sir,
is that what are we going to do for you?
(36:13):
In what order? Now? I know the black population Detroit,
Dearborn is one hour away down ninety four east of here.
There's a lot of problems here. There's a lot of
what order would you put solving the debt? The military intrusions?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So we got a lot here.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Unfortunately, David, this is the end of the hour, so
I got like ten seconds to the debt is an
existential financial and therefore national crisis for US.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
How do we solve it?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
When the American people decide it will be solved by
voting for people who will actually solve it, which is
not even close to happening yet
Thursday edition of Clay and Buck starts right now. Thanks
for joining everybody from all across this great land of ours.
Clay is at the live golf tournament today, so he's out.
Gonna be just me Buck so Low taking you on
a joy ride through all of the latest headlines, analysis
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and all the rest of.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It, and we will dive into all that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I've got a day off tomorrow actually traveling family stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Clay will be in so Low and.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Then he'll also be solo Monday, so we're trading off
a couple of days here. A lot of news to
get to. We got Fauci on the view. Get excited.
Fauci's making the rounds. He's got a book to sell.
He wants to tell you how wonderful he is.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And I'm not letting this go.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
If I am the media nemesis of Fauci, that would
be a title that I would feel honored. We've got
some Scotus decisions. Well one came down today and it
was a womp womp, not important, but some big ones looming.
Real concerns about infiltration of terrorists, specifically Jie hottist terrorists
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at our border and tying into a small country in
Central Asia that doesn't get a lot of attention, not Afghanistan.
Nearby to Afghanistan, we shall discuss that. We've also got
the usual with Democrat politicians. It's hot outside, so it
must be climate change. And to them, I just want
(01:36):
to say, including the governor of New York, who we
will hear from in a SoundBite in a little bit,
well why don't you just call it global warming? Why
don't you just go with it? You know, why not
lean in and say that it is global warming that
because then when things get really cold, it's really hard
to make the case that it's global warming. So it's
climate change. Anyway, we'll have some fun with that. Also,
(02:00):
more on the way that they are trying to message
Biden and all things of Bidenism going into the debate
next week. Wait, it's a week away, right, a week
away from today. I was gonna say, le's the week
a week away from today, so it's going to be
here before you know it. I mean, look, I'm honored
that we get to be with you here in what
(02:23):
is I think just going to be the most insane,
absurd election season we have ever seen in many ways.
But I wanted to start off with if I could
on the Scotish rulings that came down today, because it's
really more about what's coming what's coming up, and I
think the effects that those rulings are likely to have
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all the presidential election. We don't just have Supreme Court
decisions coming down in the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
We've got a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They are going to come fast and furious, and they
are also going to have a major impact on the
political landscape. Enormous impact, I think in the cases involving
Trump and January sixth matters. So let me just tell
you first what happened today. It was a case about
taxing overseas.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Holdings or something.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is a tax issue not particularly interesting other than I
think worth noting that we are far too heavily taxed,
that we have the most aggressive global regime of extra
extra territorial taxation of any country, certainly any normal westernized
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country or developed country on the planet, and we just
keep accepting it. Meanwhile, we're on a pathway to fifty
trillion dollars in debt in the next couple of decades.
It's going to get really ugly out there with the
enormous payments we're going to have to make just to
pay for the money we've already borrowed. And you see
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when social Security is set to run out, you see
when Medicare is set to run out, and yet we're
still sending, you know, billions, hundreds of billions to Ukraine.
As I've said from the beginning, trillion dollar check going
to Ukraine, guaranteed, guaranteed when they add it all up,
whenever this thing, and it might not be over for years,
years and years to come, whenever they add it all up,
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you'll have spent over a trillion dollars so that the
eastern portions of Ukraine are not in the hands of
the Russian Federation.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But we're doing all that, We're spending ourselves into oblivion.
So that's a big, big problem, a big challenge. And
then we have these Supreme Court decisions looming. Like I said,
not a big one today, but we've got a few
big ones that are coming up in the next week
or two. We will find out. I don't think they'll
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do it right on messical they drop.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
One of these on the debate day. I suppose that
would be possible.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But you've got criminal charges against President Donald Trump being
looked at an abortion case, a guns case, some social
media protection for minors stuff. I think there's a few
social media cases. What I think is a fascinating case
on homelessness that I'm going to dive into here in
a second. And then Chevron doctrine, which has to do
with the power of executive agencies. Chevron Doctrine sounds boring,
(05:25):
but it has to do with whether or not, you know,
the EPA and these other government bodies, congressionally congressionally constructed
executive branch agencies, whether they get to effectively.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Make law or not. That's a big deal. It's a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's not a Supreme Court case that necessarily gets people
who aren't court watchers excited, but it does make a
big difference in your lives. I mean, I remember doing
some of these stories back in my early days at
the Blaze when the Obama administration was get really aggressive
over protecting quote, wetlands, and you would find out that
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there are people who have, like, you know, a drainage
swamp in their backyard. They do something about it. Now
the EPA wants to find them fifteen thousand dollars a
day or something until they turn the swamp.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Back on effectively, or they may.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's crazy stuff that these executive agencies, and they are
a fourth branch of government. So that's the Chevron doctrine
case that's coming down. I think that's an important one.
You also have the big one, the biggest one by
far is presidential immunity Clay, and I see that one
the same way we have all along. I don't know
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anybody who I trust on legal matters who sees the
outcome differently in terms of the decision. I mean, whether
it's five four or sixty three, we'll see, But I
think what they'll say is that the president has immunity
in president like duties, in presidential things. So that makes sense.
(07:06):
As we've said all along, you can't actually have a
situation where the president can you bludget his secretary to
death with a paperweight or something in the oval office,
and then you say, well, I'm the president, so you
know it can't prosecute me. That's not the system that
we have or we want. But if a president says
I'm calling in a strike on this country as part
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of our national security, or I'm doing something that is
in the duties, this is true of law enforcement officers.
It was true when I was in the CIA. Right,
if I did something CIA like, I could at least
theoretically expect to have some degree of federal protection in
my actions.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Most likely it's not always the case.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But if I was just driving home and I got
into road rage and I ran somebody off the road,
I can't say, well, I was an official CIA business
or I'm a CIA officer. Not like that matters to
anybody anyway, Probably throw me in prison longer now. So
that's going to be pretty straightforward. Where I don't think
it's straightforward. And Clay and I see this one differently.
(08:09):
Is I think that Jack Smith has realized the New
York case is a total nothing burger in terms of
the polls. So he's got to go all out to
at least bring that j six trial before the election,
to at least get it started and try to get
Trump in that courtroom every day. He'll do everything that
he possibly can. If we're relying on So this is
(08:33):
the way it's going to go. Supreme Court in the
next two weeks, I think sometimes it's gone into the
first week of July. Like I said, twenty cases left
to go. So this is usually they've gotten most of
the cases already released. They're leaving a lot here for
the last couple of weeks of June. But the way
that I think this goes down, Supreme Court will say
there's qualified immunity for the president or specified I should
(08:56):
say specified immunity for the president, and here's what it is.
And then Judge Chuckkin is going to go into just
ludicrous speed. Okay, great, here we go, give me your motions.
Let's go. Let's try to get this. And then that
Trump team will try to appeal it. But the appeals
court will say, oh, okay, we'll rule on this. Remember
it's all in DC, the same courts that have moved
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at incredibly fast speed because this is all about politics
and they know it. So then the appeals court, which
is the circuit court instead of the district court, will
move as fast as they can, give the lawyers on
the Trump team as little time as possible to respond,
and then they'll try to take it up to the
Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Again.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
If the Supreme Court takes it, maybe they run out
the clock before the election and this trial doesn't happen.
But if the Supreme Court does not intervene and lets
this play out in the lower courts. I think there's
a very good chance that they're going to get that
trial started. So that's what really matters about that decision.
It's really more even about that for Trump, it's more
about the timing than anything else. It is also the
first time that you'll have a precedent set in the
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courts for what the limits of presidential power are, which
has never been touched on, I'm sorry, presidential immunity rather,
which has never been touched on before. You know, what
is the legal immunity level of a president. There's been
DOJ memos on it, but that'll be important. The other
really big one that is out there that will have
I think an effect on the election as well, is
(10:27):
the usage of an obstruction statute against J six protesters.
The big problem they have with this one is they've
thrown the book and then some they've thrown the book,
the kitchen sink, one of those you know anvils that
they drop on people and cartoons back in the day,
Like they've thrown everything at the J six protesters. Under
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this statute, they possibly can and it has a long
possible prison sentence and every pretty much every federal crime,
they can send you to prison for ten or twenty
years just you know, if they want to.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
They usually don't.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
There's guidelines, but you know, the judge can ignore the
guidelines every federal I mean, if you lie, it's five years.
You know, if you do minor financial stuff, maybe it's
five years. But everything else is ten years, twenty years life,
ten years, twenty years life. Federal sentences are generally very
heavy handed, and they used an obstruction of government statue
(11:21):
to go after all these J six protesters. Well what
about all the other protests that have happened, and why
is there's no specificity or there's no specification for this
particular day that Congress convenes is in some way, you know,
more sacred than a whole range of other federal government activities,
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including federal government activities that have been obstructed by left
wing protesters. So how do they explain the disparity? We
know the disparities politics, But the Supreme Court maywait, may
weigh in on this one, and that could mean that
a lot of J six protesters have their sentences either
dramatically reduce, they'll demand, you know, a retrial or you know,
(12:04):
an appeal, So that's a very realistic possibility. And then
the other one that I think is going to be
and I find this fascinating too. The other case that
will be coming down shortly, and this one is expected
to go a certain way as well.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Is this case that has.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
To do with camping in public homeless tense essentially on
the playground on your corner. You know, of course, the liberals,
the leftists on the court want people.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
To be able to camp.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know, if your public school has a playground or
a public park next to it, they want drug addicts
to be able to live there. That's what they think
America is now. They want those, they want people that
are I want to get into this. It's the City
of Grant's Pass, Oregon versus v. Johnson, and I want
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to address this case because it goes to so much
of what we are seeing on the crime side of
things in this country and the permissiveness that Democrats always
find a way to try and justify. So we'll get
into this. Oh, the also the notion of unhoused people.
That's a big part of this. Unhoused people. This is
now what you call homeless. We have a new term.
(13:24):
We have a new term, and I'll break down why
that's being used, undocumented unhoused. You'll notice the usage of
that prefix calls out for a solution. House them, document them.
Then it's all.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
All figured out right, Then it's all finished.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Undocumented unhoused, make them documented, make them house.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
We'll discuss that.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And speaking of undocumented, the wide open border, I mean
it is now a simple matter, a simple matter for
any Jihattis terrorist group anywhere in the world to infiltrate
the United States. Easy, easy as can be, and nobody
would doubt it. So it's a real risk, it's a
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real challenge. It's something we need to talk about and
take action on. I think that that's one of the
critical things that Trump can do, assuming we can help
push him across the line into this victory. We'll talk
about it. Also, make sure you give me a ring
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I love being able to bring you little bits of
encouraging news. Right I won't say good because it's early
and we don't know, but encouraging news something that it's
fun to get to share with you.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You know, before we talk about.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
The wide open border and the easy infiltration by jihadist
elements from all over the world to be able to
pull off a mass casualty attack very easily. We'll talk
about that later because that's really concerning, but let's do
some encouraging news right now about the election. Trump in
New York, according to the latest Siena polling, is down
(16:18):
by just eight percent eight percent in New York State.
This is something that I love to see. By the way,
he is surging with in New York according to the
same poll black and Jewish voters. That's noteworthy, I think,
(16:40):
because it makes perfect sense why Trump in New York
would be beginning to see a surge in support with
black voters. I think one Biden hasn't delivered for.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Them straight up. That's pretty clear too.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The Democrat obsession with handing out all kinds of you know,
freebies to illegals and to also creating more competition for
hourly wage work because of all the illegals coming into
the country to supply and demand, you know, still as
a thing, whether Democrats wanted to be or not. I
think the black community, some of the black community, not
(17:18):
huge numbers, I know, but this is the trend within
the Black community right now.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
In the polls sees this. And then in the Jewish community.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's pretty straightforward, right Biden is a coward and is
backstabbing Israel and net Yahoo as fast as he can
because he's desperate and it's all about politics for him.
So it's not just a poll. Oh, the poll has
a margin of era four points, so Trump could be
within four theoretically. Think about that in New York right now.
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Which is a word you will hear a lot about
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
But we are just a week away, and everyone's looking
very closely at what's going on here with the polls,
but also with the overall overarching narratives of these two campaigns.
There's a lot riding on this. I mean, I think
there's four years of government mismanagement, petty tyranny, crazy leftist policy,
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you know, being laughed at on the world stage by
anybody who's a near peer ally or enemy. If Biden
wins and their side, their side thinks that it's the
end of the country as we know it. It's the
end of the country as we know it, and we
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will not still be fine, we will not feel fine.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It will be bad.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I am not exaggerating this, as you know, it's it's
really something that's being said all the time. I've I've
been saying that I have enjoyed watching.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Some MSNBC recently.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
What I realized is that MSNBC, it's it's as though
it's really a surveillance camera that they've put in a
therapy session where people just have constant panic attacks over
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Oh my gosh, Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But you know, they're just constantly freaking out about Donald Trump.
That is what MSNBC's content mostly is that, and ostentatious
diversity in their conversations in there, you know, at the
guest round tables, everything all we need, we need, there's
never enough DEI but you know that they're particularly freaked
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out about this. Oh wait here, I'm sorry, Joe Scarborough.
This is this is what he says, Just Garborough on
the Putin Kim so Putin met with Kim Jong un,
and he's comparing that two.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
If Trump wins in twenty two, this is cut eighteen.
Play it.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
And earlier today, the North Korean leader hosted Putin for
a lavish welcome ceremony with portraits and both leaders strewn
in top surrounding buildings throughout the nearby sea streets.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Think Washington, d C. In twenty twenty five. If Donald
Trump wins, that's right.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Trump is just like Kim Jong un and Putin. They're
completely insane. Let's go back to uh, let's go back
to what they're telling us in the I could just
play clip after clip of the various mental health breakdowns
that Democrats have at the mere thought of Trump being president. Reminder,
we all know he was president and other than the
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whole COVID situation, which is a very complicated topic, but
the three years of Trump getting to be a president
without a global pandemic that was foisted upon us by
China and their lab then you would have had you
have a really solid presidency. What is the horrible thing
I always I don't talk to you know. I guess
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I'm at a point now where enough people know who
I am that meet me at least or that talk
to me, that they generally don't go there, including the Libs.
I feel like earlier on in my life in media,
people come up, they'd be like, I have I have
a bone to pick with you, Sarah. I'm like, oh,
this is going to be a fun conversation, you know,
like here we go. Or the other one is I.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Have I have something you've never thought of before.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You need to take this into account before you're all
pro Trump and blah blah.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I've probably thought of it before.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I hate to break it to the hysterical libs probably
considered I know their arguments better than they do, and
I know that their arguments are bad. But I I
I've got to say. I sit here and and I
think about what the terrible thing is that they think
that Trump did. And it's amazing because I'd say, you
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think he's gonna do all these horrible things this time,
it's gonna be so horrible.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
What was the terrible thing in the.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
First term and his his top advisor was effectively a Democrat,
Jared Kushner, longtime known Democrat.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Okay, so that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Jared had more sway and advice in that White House
than probably anybody else. His daughter Ivanka was also a
senior advisor. She's a moderate. There were some golden sacks
folks that were brought in.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I mean you really look at it. You look at
the cabinet and you look at the choices that were made.
We got tax cuts, we got I mean it was good.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
He did a good job, a million times better than Biden.
But where's the radicalism that they're so freaked out about?
I mean, it really is just so personal for them
because he makes fun of them, and they wake up
every day whether it's the New York Times or MSNBC
or Democrat politicians or super wealthy you know, Silicon Valley
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or Wall Street democrats. Remember Wall Street goes mostly for
Democrats these days. You know, they want to feel like
they're superior to everybody else. And Trump comes along and
he's like, I'm not impressed. I think you're kind of
a bunch of clowns. It's deeply personal for them, and
if you see it that way. So much of the
rest of it makes sense because when you look at
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the policies, Oh what people that are people that are
on their way to East Hampton from you know, the
Upper East or Upper West Side every every week. Those
who don't know, that's super fancy place in Long Island
where the rich people in New York City go. You know,
all the people you see on CN and an MSNBC,
Trust me, that's where they are every weekend. Oh, they
care so much about kids in cages at the border,
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and they care so much about you know, the Muslim bend,
and no, they like to talk about how much they
care about those. This doesn't affect them at all, doesn't
affect them at all. And they don't care about the
people who are working class, who have millions and millions
of illegals in their neighborhoods clogging the emergency rooms with
routine care requests. And you know, that doesn't sound like
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a big deal until you know it catch like a
band saw on the shoulder when you're working in the
shop and you really need help right now.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You don't want an overworked and you know, under triaged
er because people are going in there for vision tests
but that's what you have.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They don't care about any of this.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Ask them what the terrible scary policy. It's one of
the best ways you can deal with your Trump hating neighbor,
other than just not talking to them, which is I
highly advise in most cases.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I have people who ask me this too. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They'll say, what do you do when people come up
to you and they want a debate in your life?
And I say that, I just I'm as I'm as
neutral and boring as I can possibly be, because I
just give them nowhere to go. You know, people who
don't really know me, but maybe they know a little bit,
they'll come up they're like, well, what you.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Think about the fact that Trump there's a thirty four.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Phone and say things like, yeah, it's the crazy world
we live in.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I love. That drives them nuts. It drives them nuts.
Oh man, they're so unhinged. It's so much fun, you know,
but don't you realize that Trump is a threat to
our democracy?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And like, man, interesting stuff going on these days? You know,
just if you just lean into it with that, you know,
they because they can't really get mad at you.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
For that, so they're just they're like, come on, say something,
and you're like.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Ah, I don't know if I want to play this game.
I think I just want to hang out. I think
I'm gonna go go to the other side of the
room and pretend like I'm not dealing with this person.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Who thinks that Anthony Fauci is a good person.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
We'll get to the Fauci stuff in a little bit,
but that's I always think it's it's fascinating if you
actually compare the reality of Trump term one to what
they say is going to happen in Trump term two.
These people are delusional, They're in some state of psychological duress,
like something has happened to them. They're they're neurologically compromised
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by Trump. He has broken them emotionally. Otherwise, you can't
really explain any of this stuff right, doesn't make any
sense if Trump wins, and I certainly hope and I
think he will. I said that all along, I think
Trump will win. I'm not celebrating early, because we know
I think that's one of the most devastating mistakes that
one can make in life in general, celebrate too early.
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I'm not celebrating. We have a hard, hard fight ahead.
I think it's going to be close. By the way,
I don't think it's going to be some enormous Trump
red wave. I think it'll be maybe in the electoral
college it'll look really good. But in terms of the
overall votes cast, when you look at as a percentage
of population, it's going to be very small. And here's
why I say this. I say it because even Frank Luntz,
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the polster, is saying that you look at what's gone
on post conviction for Trump, and you cannot ignore or
these numbers. It's not just that Iowa is going well
for Trump. We had Governor Reynolds on yesterday like almost
twenty point advantage in Iowa. I think it's eighteen was
the latest polling in Iowa. What does that mean for Michigan?
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What does that mean for Minnesota? This has cut seven.
Listen to what pollster Lunz has to say to me.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
It's not that Donald Trump is winning so big in Iowa.
That's not the story. It's that he's making it close
in Minnesota. Minnesota is a reliable Democratic state and votes
Democrat in every presidential campaign and poll after poll, I
see Trump within two or three points in Minnesota. I
don't think the media understands exactly what's going on right now. Yes,
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Trump dropped a few points after being found guilty on
thirty four felony accounts, but remember this, that would have
destroyed any candidate as recently as ten years.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Ago, any candidate as recently as ten years ago, and
yet here we are. Trump is the exception. Trump is
the unstoppable force in this matter. It's fascinating to see
how this is going. And I think that the Democrats
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must recognize there is the very real possibility that in
breaking the glass and breaking all their norms and crossing
the rubicon many times over. I don't know how many
cliches I can work in here, but they will have
created the very platform upon which Trump leaps to reelection.
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That's a real possibility.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't know if that's what's going to happen, but
they've got to be worried about that, especially given what
we were talking about with their absurd levels of fear
over Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I would just say the.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Democrats have got to look at something like Minnesota and say,
if it's close in Minnesota, how could we have a
prayer in the true toss up states and how are
they going to turn this around? We'll get into it.
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calls in, let's do it. Kurt in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
What's going on? Kurt?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hey? How you doing? Honor? Thank you so much? You'd
be you're doing rush so much?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Proud, that's great, Thank you, sir, very kind. What's on
your mind.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
With regards to the debate. I don't I don't you know.
If Trump doesn't do well, I don't think it hurts
so much. But I think it's a complete setup. We've
acquiesque everything that benefits Biden. We're sitting down, and the
concerns of mine, least of which are Dana ash and
Jake Tapper CNN. Are this whole shutting your mic OFFF
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think they're gonna shut Trump's mic off when he makes
too much sense, and they're gonna shut by off when
he starts making no sense.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I don't think they're sitting. I don't think they're sitting.
I think there was a story out that that Biden
wanted to sit. But my cause I don't remember seeing this,
I read through the rules as they stood yesterday.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Guy A Team.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Am I wrong on that one. I haven't seen that
they're sitting. I believe they're standing for the debate. But well,
we'll check on that one. As for the MIC's issue, Kurt,
which you raise here, this could go either way.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
For me.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
It's really going to depend on Trump, I think, because
he was very aggressive in the twenty twenty debate and
it you know, I know this from radio. People sometimes
say why don't you have people on to debate on radio? Well,
especially without the visual of TVs, you can at least
see people's facial gestures and hands and audio over audio,
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it just is a garbled mess, right, and you don't
want that in a presidential debate, and if you're the
one who's instigating that. By the way, I thought Joe
Biden got away with a lot of that when he
debated Paul Ryan back in the day. I thought he
was really aggressive and snide. But you know, at worked
they won, So I could see it going either way.
Because to me, Trump letting Biden talk may actually benefit
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Trump a lot. You know what I'm saying, it's not
like you have some really eloquent Democrat who is going
to sound good even if they're spewing nonsense. You know,
whether it's like a Gavin Newsomer or somebody who is
silver tongue, so to speak, but you know, very slimy.
I think that Biden might do more damage to himself
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by getting more time to speak clearly into the mic.
So I'm not sure that it's going to be an
issue for Trump. It depends on his deportment. But I
agree with you that they've they've made a lot of
concessions to Biden. I absolutely would not have allowed two
CNN anchors to moderate this debate, all right. I worked
at CNN for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
They wanted to keep me working at CNN, which I
thought was hilarious. I was like, I'm out of this place.
They I absolutely disagree with that. There are better There
are much better options. There are people who I think
could have been But by the way, just in CNN
in general, I'm not I think of the possibilities at CNN,
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you know, they they went with uh, you know that
they could have They could have done worse at CNN
for sure, but I think that they should have not
allowed such an obviously part as a network to moderate this.
It's really a network thing for me. Uh, David in Jackson, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
What's going on, David buck Sexton? Mister Sexton. I don't
know how to proper properly address you, sir, but as
the United States Marine honorably from decades ago, a lot
of decades, appreciate your service for sure, some.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
For five Thank you, sir for your service. Thank you
for calling in. So what's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (35:51):
Just trying to break it down? Of course we can
talk about Biden forever. What's Trump's message I think has
to lay out to the American people and a lot
of the American public trust in the worldwide stage included, sir,
is that what are we going to do for you?
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In what order? Now? I know the black population Detroit,
Dearborn is one hour away down ninety four east of here.
There's a lot of problems here. There's a lot of
what order would you put solving the debt? The military intrusions?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So we got a lot here.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Unfortunately, David, this is the end of the hour, so
I got like ten seconds to the debt is an
existential financial and therefore national crisis for US.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
How do we solve it?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
When the American people decide it will be solved by
voting for people who will actually solve it, which is
not even close to happening yet