June 20, 2024 • 48 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thursday edition of Clay and Buck starts right now. Thanks
for joining everybody from all across this great land of ours.
Clay is at the live golf tournament today, so he's out,
gonna be just me Buck so Low taking you on
a joy ride through all of the latest headlines, analysis
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and all the rest of it, and we will dive
into all that. I've got a day off tomorrow actually
traveling family stuff. Clay will be in so Low and
then he'll also be solo Monday, so we're trading off
a couple of days here. A lot of news to
get to. We got Fauci on the view. Get excited.
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Fauci's making the rounds. He's got a book to sell.
He wants to tell you how wonderful he is. And
I'm not letting this go. If I am the media
nemesis of Fauci, that would be a title that I
would feel honored. We've got some Scotus decision. Well one
came down today and it was a womp womp like
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not important, but some big ones looming. Real concerns about
infiltration of terrorists, specifically Jie hottist terrorists at our border
and tying into a small country in Central Asia that
doesn't get a lot of attention, not Afghanistan. Nearby to Afghanistan,
we shall discuss that. We've also got the usual with
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Democrat politicians. It's hot outside, so it must be climate change.
And to them, I just want to say, including the
governor of New York, who we will hear from in
a SoundBite in a little bit, well why don't you
just call it global warming? Why don't you just go
with it? You know, why not lean in and say
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that it is global warming that because then when things
get really cold, it's really hard to make the case
that it's global warming. So it's climate change. Anyway, we'll
have some fun with that. Also, more on the way
that they are trying to message Biden and all things
of Bidenism going into the debate next week. Wait, it's
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a week away, right, a week away from today. I
was gonna say, les's the week a week away from today,
so it's going to be here before you know it.
I mean, look, I'm honored that we get to be
with you here in what is I think just going
to be the most insane, absurd election season we have
ever seen in many ways, But I wanted to start
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off with, if I could on the Scotish rulings that
came down today, It's really more about what's coming what's
coming up, and I think the effects that those rulings
are likely to have all the presidential election. We don't
just have Supreme Court decisions coming down in the next
two weeks. We've got a lot of them. They are
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going to come fast and furious, and they are also
going to have a major impact on the political landscape.
Enormous impact, I think in the cases involving Trump and
January sixth matters. So let me just tell you first
what happened today. It was a case about taxing overseas
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holdings or something. Is a tax issue not particularly interesting
other than I think worth noting that we are far
too heavily taxed, that we have the most aggressive global
regime of extra to extra territorial taxation of any country,
certainly any normal westernized country or developed country on the planet,
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and we just keep accepting it. Meanwhile, we're on a
pathway to fifty trillion dollars in debt in the next
couple of decades. It's going to get really ugly out
there with the enormous payments we're going to have to
make just to for the money we've already borrowed. And
you see when social Security is set to run out,
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you see what Medicare is set to run out, and
yet we're still sending, you know, billions, hundreds of billions
to Ukraine. As I've said from the beginning, trillion dollar
check going to Ukraine, guaranteed, guaranteed when they add it
all up, whenever this thing, and it might not be
over for years, years and years to come, whenever they
add it all up, you'll have spent over a trillion
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dollars so that the eastern portions of Ukraine are not
in the hands of the Russian Federation. There we go.
But we're doing all that, we're spending ourselves into oblivion.
So that's a big, big problem, a big challenge. And
then we have these Supreme Court decisions looming. Like I said,
not a big one today, but we've got a few
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big ones that are coming up in the next week
or two. We will find out. I don't think they'll
do it right on messinal they drop one of these
on the debate day. I suppose that would be possible.
But you've got criminal charges against President Donald Trump being
looked at an abortion case, a guns case, some social
media protection for minors stuff. I think there's a few
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social media cases. What I think is a fascinating case
on homelessness that I'm going to dive into here in
a second. And then Chevron doctrine, which has to do
with the power of executive agencies. Chevron Doctrine sounds boring,
but it has to do with whether or not, you know,
the EPA and these other government bodies, congressionally congressionally constructed
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executive branch agencies, whether they get to effectively make law
or not. That's a big deal. It's a big deal.
It's not a Supreme Court case that necessarily gets people
who aren't court watchers excited, but it does make a
big difference in your lives. I mean, I remember doing
some of these stories back in my early days at
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the Blaze, when the Obama administration was getting really aggressive
over protecting quote, wetlands, and you would find out that
there are people who have, like, you know, a drainage
swamp in their backyard. They do something about it. Now
the EPA wants to find them fifteen thousand dollars a
day or something until they turn the swamp back on effectively,
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or they may. It's crazy stuff that these executive agencies,
and they are a fourth branch of government. So that's
the Chevron doctrine case that's coming down. I think that's
an important one. You also have the big one, the
biggest one by far is presidential immunity Clay, and I
see that one the same way we have all along.
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I don't know anybody who I trust on legal matters
who sees the outcome differently in terms of the decision.
I mean, whether it's five four or sixty three, we'll see,
But I think what they'll say is that the president
has immunity in president like duties, in presidential things. So
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that makes sense. As we've said all along, you can't
actually have a situation where the president can you bludget
his secretary to death with a paperweight or something in
the oval office, and then you say, well, I'm the president,
so you know, can't prosecute me. That's not the system
that we have or we want. But if a president
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says I'm calling in a strike on this country as
part of our national security, or I'm doing something that
is in the duties, this is true of law enforcement officers.
It was true when I was in the CIA. Right,
if I did something CIA like, I could at least
theoretically expect to have some degree of federal protection in
my actions. Right. Most likely it's not always the case.
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But if I was just driving home and I got
into road rage and I ran somebody off the road,
I can't say, well, I was an official CIA business
or I'm a CIA officer. Not like that matters to
anybody anyway, Probably throw me in prison longer now. So
that's going to be pretty straightforward. Where I don't think
it's straightforward. And Clay and I see this one differently.
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Is I think that Jack Smith has realized the New
York case is a total nothing burger in terms of
the polls. So he's got to go all out to
at least bring that j six trial before the election,
to at least get it started and try to get
Trump in that courtroom every day. He'll do everything that
he possibly can. If we're relying on So this is
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the way it's going to go. Supreme Court in the
next two weeks, I think sometimes it's gone into the
first week of July. Like I said, twenty cases left
to go. So this is usually they've gotten most of
the cases already released. They're leaving a lot here for
the last couple of weeks of June. But the way
that I think this goes down, Supreme Court will say
there's qualified immunity for the president or specified I should
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say specified immunity for the president. Here's what it is.
And then Judge Chutkin is going to go into just
ludicrous speed. Okay, great, here we go, give me your emotions,
let's go. Let's try to get this. And then that
Trump team will try to appeal it. But the appeals
court will say, oh, okay, we'll rule on this. Remember
it's all in DC, the same courts that have moved
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at incredibly fast speed because this is all about politics
and they know it. So then the appeals court, which
is the circuit court instead of the district court, will
move as fast as they can, give the lawyers on
the Trump team as little time as possible to respond,
and then they'll try to take it up to the
Supreme Court. Again. If the Supreme Court takes it, maybe
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they run out the clock before the election and this
trial doesn't happen. But if the Supreme Court does not
intervene and lets this play out in the lower courts.
I think there's a very good chance that they're going
to get that trial started. So that's what really matters
about that decision. It's really more even about that for Trump,
it's more about the timing than anything else. It is
also the first time that you'll have a precedent set
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in the courts for what the limits of presidential power are,
which has never been touched on, I'm sorry, presidential immunity rather,
which has never been touched on before. You know, what
is the legal immunity level of a president. There's been
DOJ memos on it, but that'll be important. The other
really big one that is out there that will have
I think an effect on the election as well, is
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the usage of an obstruction statute against J six protesters.
The big problem they have with this one is they've
thrown the book and then some they've thrown the book,
the kitchen sink, one of those you know anvils that
they drop on people and cartoons back in the day,
Like they've thrown everything at the J six protesters. Under
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this statute, they possibly can, and it has a long
possible prison sentence. I mean, pretty much every federal crime,
they can send you to prison for ten or twenty years,
just you know, if they want to. They usually don't.
There's guidelines, but you know, the judge can ignore the
guidelines every federal I mean, if you lie, it's five years.
You know, if you do minor financial stuff, maybe it's
five years. But everything else is ten years, twenty years life,
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ten years, twenty years life. Federal sentences are generally very
heavy handed, and they used an obstruction of government statue
to go after all these J six protesters. Well what
about all the other protests that have happened, And why
is there's no specificity or there's no specification for this
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particular day that Congress convenes is in some way, you know,
more sacred than a whole range of other federal government activities,
including federal government activities that have been obstructed by left
wing protesters. So how do they explain the disparity? We
know the disparities politics, But the Supreme Court may wait,
may weigh in on this one, and that could mean
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that a lot of J six protesters have their sentences
either dramatically they'll demand you know, a retrial or you know,
an appeal, So that's a very realistic possibility. And then
the other one that I think is going to be
and I find this fascinating too. The other case that
will be coming down shortly, and this one is expected
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to go a certain way as well. Is this case
that has to do with camping in public homeless tense,
essentially on the playground on your corner. You know, of course,
the liberals, the leftists on the court want people to
be able to camp. You know, if your public school
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has a playground or a public park next to it,
they want drug addicts to be able to live there.
That's what they think America is now. They want those,
they want people that are I want to get into this.
It's the City of Grant's Pass, Oregon versus v. Johnson,
and I want to address this case because it goes
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to so much of what we are seeing on the
crime side of things in this country and the permissiveness
that democrats always find a way to try and justify.
So we'll get into this. Oh, also the notion of
unhoused people. That's a big part of this. Unhoused people.
This is now what you call homeless. We have a
new term. We have a new term, and I'll break
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down why that's being used. Undocumented unhoused. You'll notice the
usage of that prefix calls out for a solution. House them,
document them. Then it's all figured out right, Then it's
all finished. Undocumented unhoused, make them documented, make them house.
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We'll discuss that. And speaking of undocumented, the wide open border,
I mean it is now a simple matter, a simple
matter for any Jihattis terrorist group anywhere in the world
to infiltrate the United States. Easy, easy as can be,
and nobody would doubt it. So it's a real risk,
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it's a real challenge. It's something we need to talk
about and take action on. I think that that's one
of the critical things that Trump can do, assuming we
can help push him across the line into this victory.
We'll talk about it. Also, make sure you give me
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Podcasts, and welcome back into Clay and Buck looking at
the state of the race right now, as we are
just a week away from that pivotal which is a
word you will hear a lot about the upcoming debate,
pivotal debate, But we are just a week away, and
everyone's looking very very closely at what's going on here
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with the polls, but also with the overall overarching narratives
of these two campaigns. There's a lot riding on this.
I mean, I think there's four years of government mismanagement,
petty tyranny, crazy leftist policy, you know, being laughed at
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on the world stage by anybody who's a near peer
ally or enemy. If Biden wins and their side, their
side thinks that it's the end of the country as
we know it. It's the end of the country as
we know it, and we will not still be fine.
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We will not feel fine. It will be bad. I
am not exaggerating this, as you know, it's really something
that's being said all the time. I've been saying that
I have enjoyed watching some MSNBC recently. What I realizes
that MSNBC it's it's as though it's really a surveillance
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camera that they've put in a therapy session where people
just have constant panic attacks over Donald Trump. Oh my gosh,
Donald Trump. You know, they're just constantly freaking out about
Donald Trump. That is what MSNBC's content mostly is that,
and ostentatious diversity in their conversations in there, you know,
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at the guest round tables, everything all we need, we need,
there's never enough DEI. But you know that they're particularly
freaked out about this. Oh wait here, I'm sorry, Joe Scarborough.
This is uh, this is what he says, Joe Scarborough
on the Putin Kim so Putin met with Kim Jong un,
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and he's comparing that too. If Trump wins in twenty twenty,
this is cut eighteen play.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And earlier today, the North Korean leader hosted Putin for
a lavish welcome ceremony with portraits.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And both leaders strewn in top.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Surrounding buildings throughout the nearby sea streets.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Think Washington, d C. In twenty twenty five. If Donald
Trump wins, that's right. Trump is just like Kim Jogun
and Putin. They're completely insane. Let's go back to Let's
go back to what they're telling us in the I
could just play clip after clip of the various mental
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health breakdowns that Democrats have at the mere thought of
Trump being president. Reminder, we all know he was president,
and other than the whole COVID situation, which is a
very complicated topic, but the three years of Trump getting
to be a president without a global pandemic that was
foisted upon us by China and their lab then you
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would have you have a really solid presidency. What is
the horrible thing I always I don't talk to you know.
I guess I'm at a point now where enough people
know who I am that meet me at least or
that talk to me that they generally don't go there,
including the Libs. I feel like earlier on in my
life in media, people come up and they'd be like,
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I have I have a bone to pick with you, Sarah.
I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a fun conversation,
you know, here we go. Or the other one is
I have I have something you've never thought of before.
You need to take this into account before you're all
pro Trump and blah blah. I've probably thought of it before.
I hate to break it to the hysterical libs probably
considered I know, their arguments better than they do. And
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I know that their arguments are bad, but I I
I've got to say, I sit here and and I
think about what the terrible thing is that they think
that Trump did, and and and it's amazing because it's say,
you think he's gonna do all these horrible things this time,
it's going to be so horrible. What was the terrible
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thing in the first term? And his his top advisor
was effectively a Democrat, Jared Kushner, longtime known Democrat. Okay,
so that Jared had more sway and advice in that
White House than probably anybody else. His daughter Ivanka was
also a senior advisor. She's a moderate. There were some
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golden sacks folks that were brought in. I mean you
really look at it. You look at the cabinet, and
you look at the choices that were made. We got
tax cuts, we got I mean, it was good. He
did a good job, a million times better than Biden.
But where's the radicalism that they're so freaked out about.
I mean, it really is just so personal for them
because he makes fun of them, and they wake up
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every day, whether it's the New York Times or MSNBC
or Democrat politicians or super wealthy you know, Silicon Valley
or Wall Street democrats. Remember Wall Street goes mostly for
Democrats these days. You know, they want to feel like
they're superior to everybody else. And Trump comes along and
he's like, I'm not impressed. I think you're kind of
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a bunch of clowns. It's deeply personal for them, and
if you see it that way, so much of the
rest of it makes sense because when you look at
the policies, Oh what people that are people that are
on their way to East Hampton from you know, the
Upper East or Upper West Side every every week. Those
who don't know, that's super fancy place in Long Island
where the rich people in New York City go. You know,
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all the people you see on CNN an MSNBC. Trust me,
that's where they are every weekend. Oh. They care so
much about kids in cages at the border, and they
care so much about you know, the Muslim bend. And no,
they like to talk about how much they care about those.
This doesn't affect them at all, doesn't affect them at all.
And they don't care about the people who are working class,
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who have millions and millions of illegals in their neighborhoods
clogging the emergency rooms with routine care requests, and you
know that doesn't sound like a big deal, and you'll
you know, it catch like a bandsaw on the shoulder
when you're working in the shop and you really need
help right now now. You don't want and overworked and
you know, under triaged er because people are going in
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there for vision tests. But that's what you have. They
don't care about any of this. Ask them what the
terrible scary policy. It's one of the best ways you
can deal with your Trump hating neighbor, other than just
not talking to them, which is I highly advise in
most cases. People who ask me this too, I'll tell
you they'll say, what do you do when people come
up to you and they want a debate in your life?
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And I say that I just I'm as I'm as
neutral and boring as I can possibly be, because I
just give them nowhere to go. You know, people don't
really know me, but maybe they know a little bit.
They'll come up they're like, well, what do you think
about the fact that Trump there's a thirty four phone
say things like, yeah, it's a crazy world. We live
in I love that drives them nuts. It drives them nuts.
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Oh man, they're so unhinged. It's so much fun, you know,
But don't you realize that Trump is a threat to
our democracy? And like, man, interesting stuff going on these days.
You know, just if you just lean into it with that,
you know, they because they can't really get mad at
you for that, so they're just they're like, come on,
say something, and you're like, ah, I don't know if
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I want to play this game. I think I just
want to hang out. I think I'm gonna go go
to the other side of the room and pretend like
I'm not dealing with this person who thinks that Anthony
Fauci is a good person. We'll get to the Fauci
stuff in a little bit, but that's I always think
it's it's fascinating if you actually compare the reality of
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Trump term one to what they say is going to
happen in Trump term two. These people are delusional. They're
they're in some state of psychological duress, like something has
happened to them. They're there, They're neurologically compromised by Trump.
He has broken them emotionally. Otherwise you can't really explain
any of this stuff right, doesn't make any sense if
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Trump wins, and I certainly hope and I think you will.
I said that all along. I think Trump will win.
I'm not celebrating early, because we know. I think that's
one of the most devastating mistakes that one can make
in life in general, celebrate too early. I'm not celebrating.
We have a hard, hard fight ahead. I think it's
going to be close, by the way, I don't think
it's going to be some enormous Trump red wave. I
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think it'll be maybe in the electoral college it'll look
really good, But in terms of the overall votes cast,
when you look at as a percentage of population, it's
going to be very small. And here's why I say this.
I say it because even Frank Luntz, the pollster, is
saying that you look at what's gone on post conviction
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for Trump, and you cannot ignore these numbers. It's not
just that Iowa is going well for Trump. We had
Governor Reynolds on yesterday like almost twenty point advantage in Iowa.
I think it's eighteen was the latest polling in Iowa.
What does that mean for Michigan? What does that mean
for Minnesota? This has cut seven. Listen to what pollster
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Lunz has to say to me.
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It's not that Donald Trump is winning so big an Iowa.
That's not the story. It's that he's making it close
in Minnesota. Minnesota is a reliable Democratic state and votes
Democrat in every presidential campaign, and poll after poll, I
see Trump within two or three points in Minnesota. I
don't think the media understands exactly what's going on right now. Yes,
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Trump dropped a few points after being found guilty on
thirty four felony accounts, but remember this, that would have
destroyed any candidate as recently as ten years.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Ago, any candidate as recently as ten years ago, and
yet here we are. Trump is the exception. Trump is
the unstoppable force in this matter. It's fascinating to see
how this is going. And I think that the Democrats
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must recognize there is the very real possibility that in
breaking the glass and breaking all their norms and crossing
the rubicon many times over. I don't know how many
cliches I can work in here, but they will have
created the very platform upon which Trump leaps to reelection.
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That's a real possibility. Now. I don't know if that's
what's going to happen, but they've got to be worried
about that, especially given what we were talking about with
their absurd levels of fear over Trump. And I would
just say the Democrats have got to look at something
like Minnesota and say, if it's close in Minnesota, how
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could we have a prayer in the true toss up states?
And how are they going to turn this around? We'll
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Speaker 1 (28:04):
Second hour Clay and Buck kicks off. Now. Thank you
so much for being here with us. I wanted to
talk a little bit about the Supreme Court decision that's
going to be coming down soon, and I think it's
expected to go the way of the Conservatives on the
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four by four, or it might be six y three,
but it's important. It's important because it goes to whether
or not you can camp out on the street, whether
you can camp on the street, whether you can set
up tents and public parks. It's about the city of
Grant's Pass, Oregon. I did a little reading about this.
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I know, we've got a big station k e X
out of Portland and we've got people listening. In the
state of Oregon, Grant's Pass is like thirty thousand people.
I guess that qualifies as a small city, large town
somewhere between. And they have an ordinance that you are
not allowed to sleep on public property. And the reason
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they have this is because what ends up occurring is
people set up tense and other shacks, whatever, shanties, whatever
you want to call them, and and they set up
they set these up and they live there. Now you
might say, is that necessarily a bad thing, And the
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answer is yes, it is because of what ends up
invariably happening when people live in places that are not
meant for living, and also the kind of people who
overwhelmingly are going to be the ones who are choosing
to live on you know, a basically public square or
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in a park in some area, whether it's you know,
a highway underpass, whatever. If you live in LA you've
seen a lot of this. There's a lot of this
in Austin, Texas that I've seen, and you have some
cities that have finally just said enough isn't enough. Because
here's I'll get into the Supreme Court argument of this
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in a second. Here's what has happened though, And I
think that this accelerated a lot during COVID and it
has become an even bigger problem. You've had the broad
effort to decriminalize a lot of crime. And this comes
out of the George Floyd stuff, the protests and BLM
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and all this. But there's been a broad effort to
decriminalize crime. And we talk about it a lot here
on the show. Things like you won't get arrested if
you don't steal over nine hundred dollars of stuff. That
was the law in California. Basically, you will no longer
be arrested for public urination, public drunkenness, sleeping on the street, obviously, stealing,
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all kinds of shoplifting, things like that, doing drugs out
in the open. And this has largely ruined the downtowns
of some of the most major cities in America, and
particularly on the West coast in the Pacific Northwest, Seattle
and Portland and San Francisco. They all come to mind
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as being examples of this, and for a while it was, oh,
this is just some right wing thing, it's not really true.
Now they've had to admit that it is a problem
because here's what ends up happening. Here's the problem that
you get when you have people that are sleeping out
in these public areas. They generally are individuals who are
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drug addicted. Now that's a generalization, I know, but the
percentages either drug or alcohol addicted very high, very high
incidents of mental health problems and not getting help for it.
Obviously they're they're living on the streets. And then what
happens is you have more and more people congregating in
that area. You have waste disposal issues, trash everywhere. You
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have people who are urinating and defecating in public, in
broad daylight, in full view of everybody else. It's unsanitary.
It's unsanitary for the people who live in the encampment,
it's unsanitary to people around the encampment. And then when
you have a congregation of drug addicts, what do you
have You have more drug use. With the increase in
that drug use, what do you have a need to
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be able to pay for the drugs that one is getting.
So then you start to have more petty crime, more theft,
and it just spirals. It's spirals, and it really begins
in a lot of these places with these with these
ordinances on camping, with these prohibitions on I mean, camping
isn't the right you know, homeless tents on the street
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and the sidewalk is really what this is about. I mean,
you see, like downtown Austin. Austin's an awesome city in
so many ways. Amazing food and the river and the lake. Oh,
it's so cool. I really like Austin. But there are
ten cities, little pockets of I think it's gotten maybe
a little better recent years. I haven't been in a
couple of years, but when I was there, there are
ten cities all over the place. And this isn't good
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for anybody, and for these towns that have so many rules.
I mean, I live in Miami Beach. I can't widen
a staircase in Miami Beach without you know, three months
of approval and all this other stuff. There are so
many rules, so many laws at all these places. But
the Democrats and these different NGOs and nonprofits, and the
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leftists Kagan, Sonomayor and Catanji Brown Jackson on the court
clearly want to make it so you're not allowed to
ban encampments. I mean, this decision hasn't come down yet,
but I can assure you it's very likely all three
of them are going to say this is, you know,
a human rights violation. To give you a sense of it,
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the issue at hand is whether the enforcement of generally
applicable laws regarding camping on public property constitutes a violation
of the Eighth Amendment cruel and unusual punishment. So what
the leftists are doing is saying, if you don't want
congregations of homeless people, notice they want to call it
(34:19):
unhoused now as and I explain why that is unhoused.
All you have to do is change to prefix, give
them housing now they're housed. Problem solved. But actually the
problem is not solved. A lot of the people who
are unhoused. You could give free housing too, And this
happens all the time, and they still have drug addiction problems,
and they still can't support themselves, and they still don't
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have a job, and a lot of the time they
still end up and choose to be out on the streets,
because that's that is the choice there is. There are
whole populations that homelessness by choice is a real thing.
You've written about the New York Times. People they don't
want to check in at a shelter, They don't want
to deal with the public housing as thora or anything
like that. They want to do exactly what they want
(35:02):
to do, which is be out in the open, beg
for money, maybe steal, and do drugs, and then sleep
wherever they want. And you can imagine if you are
a a tax paying property, tax paying also, by the way,
person who wants your kids to be able to go
to a safe, safe school or you know, walk through
(35:24):
a safe neighborhood and go to a safe school, and
you don't want to have these concerns. You don't want
to worry about break ins because of the encampment down
the street. The people who say, oh, it doesn't lead
to crime, they are wrong, They are lying. Of course
it does. If you have congregations of drug addicts and
the mentally ill out in the open on the street
without services, without assistance, guess what's going to happen. Bad
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things happens at every city across the country. I've mentioned this,
I think before here when I grew up, and this
is people still don't. They feel like they can't believe this.
When I grew up on the I grew up on
the Upper east Side, fancy neighbor just be honest about it.
Right around the corner from us, and I mean like
fifty yards they had set up a city councilman had
(36:07):
set up effectively a homeless shelter on the street. On
the street, and I used to walk to church and
we would go pass and I remember I was a
little I was a little kid. I mean I was,
you know, five or six years old, but I remember this,
holding my mom's hand as we would have to cross
to the other side of the street because of all
the you know, people that were doing drugs, shouting, urinating
(36:32):
on the street. I mean there were fifty sixty seventy
people living on this sidewalk, and the city councilman, because
it was the nice thing to do, would give them
little cookstoves and provide them with mattresses. And this was
out on the street, and the whole neighborhood had to
come together and create a fence to prevent this I mean,
it was a mess. Why should we have been? And
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of course there were crimes committed, and there was an
assault and there was like a life sexual assault. I
don't know what ended up happening with it, but it
was a mess. Okay, it was a mess, and we
all understand that that's what's going to happen. So now
you have leftists that think it is a cruel and
unusual punishment to say nobody is allowed to just live
(37:15):
in a public space that is not meant for living.
H I mean, wow, this is how far they want
to take this. This is this is yet again one
of these moments where I have to say the Democrats
really are They're just the They're just constantly undermining civilization
at every opportunity. They're just trying to find a way
(37:37):
how do we make more disorder, more misery, more dysfunction,
and then try to create and really reverse engineer it
so that we're creating a legal rationale for it, or
civil rights rationale for it, or an equity rationale for it.
I certainly hope this case comes down the way that
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I think that it will, which is to say that
it acceptable for a town or a city to say
you're not allowed to live in the playground. You know,
you can't have adults living in the playground. Sorry, you know,
you gotta to figure something else out. It's interesting the
Ktanji Brown Jackson and Kagan. We're both making the case
(38:21):
that sleeping in public, isn't it kind of just like breathing,
Like you have to sleep, you have to breathe, So
is just like saying you can't breathe in public. I mean,
really trying the most facetious arguments because ultimately the leftist
mindset is to find a way to try to elevate degeneracy.
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That keep in mind, none of them are ever okay
with this when it is on their doorstep. I mean,
you find me a prominent liberal, You find me a
prominent democrat or leftist who lives in a neighborhood where
they want to start having more zoning for low income housing,
who lives in a neighborhood and you know, know like
Martha's Vineyard remember that? Or was it Nantucket? I can't
(39:02):
remember now it was Nantucket, right? Or is it Martha's Vineyard?
I can't remember? Where? Did where did Ron de Santis
send the migrants? Was one of the fancy islands anyway,
you know, But who who live in a neighborhood where
the where there won't be a lot of illegals. They
love to pretend that they care so much about this,
but they want to always make sure that it's not
(39:23):
going to affect them. They don't want this on theirs,
on their street. They don't want this in their neighborhood
because they know, they know that it will result in
the degeneracy that I'm talking about in the criminality. But
as long as it's affecting somebody else and they get
to think well of themselves, oh man, there is nothing
that they won't they won't push for nothing that they
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will not do. The experiment has been run, particularly in
the West Coast, in a lot of cities where we've decided,
let people do drugs, let them urinate and broad daylight
in front of everybody, let them, you know, trash the streets,
you know, sleep in sidewalk so you can't actually walk.
It's no longer even a pedestrian way. And that came
(40:05):
up in this issue. I think the one of the
judges involved in the lower level was saying that a
sidewalk isn't really a pedestrian way if I'm read through
a lot of this stuff, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
But this is what you're this is what you're up against.
People who see the results, they got their way. Now
we're trying to fix the problem. And the Democrats stand
(40:26):
up and say, don't fit, don't fix it. It's cruel
and unusual punishment to fix it. They think it is
more kind and decent to de facto promote people living
in psychological duress addicted to drugs on the street, with
you know, rats and vermin running around and and subject
(40:50):
to assault and rape and everything from you know, other
drug addicts around them. They think that is a more
kind position than saying sorry, law enforcements going to come.
You always will have the option of going to a shelter,
You always have the option of public services, but you
can't live here. You know, this is it's amazing. You
(41:12):
have these these three Supreme Court justices, all of whom
went to you know, Ivy League schools, and they want
to act like, yeah, I mean, just let like a
giant homeless encampment of drug addicted criminals pop up anywhere
and the city or the state or the town can't
do anything about it that's going to be good for society.
You notice they don't learn the lesson right because it's
(41:33):
not about what's true. It's about what makes them feel good.
It's about what makes democrats feel good to promote, feel good,
to vote for, feel good, to post on social media
or tell their friends at cocktail parties or whatever luncheons.
And that's why we have such a hard time fixing
(41:53):
these cities, so many great American cities brought low by
just intransigent, dumb policy. And we'll see what the Supreme
Court does on this one, but I think it's the
beginning of the turnaround that can happen, at least in
some places that are willing to see reality for what
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Dye Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is.
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I think we all know that, at least in America
this time of year, it gets hot in a lot
of places. That's not a surprise to you, It's not
a surprise to me. It's summer, late June already. Can't
believe how the time is flying by. It's like eighty
(43:29):
six degrees now I'm really doing radio eighty six degrees
in breezy in Miami Beach. It's like eighty six in Miami.
It's ninety in New York. I only bring this up
because Governor Hokel, among others, are acting like this is
a time to freak out the governor of New York State,
state that I will always love despite all of its insanity,
(43:52):
poor governor and challenges. Governor Hokeel is saying that these
are levels ninety degrees fahrenheit. I mean, I guess for
our Canadian and British listeners, nineties. Canada does fahrenheit too, right,
We're the only ones that the I mean ere the
Brits do celsius. I can't even keep all this stuff straight, right,
(44:13):
The Canadians use fahrenheit. Canada is like America Junior. We
all know it. So here we have a Governor hokel
who is saying that these temperatures are never seen before
in our lifetime. YadA, YadA, Play five.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
This is not a natural hot weather stretch for us
here in the state of New York, especially upstate, but
we are going to be seeing temperatures at levels we
have not seen in our lifetimes. And I want to
update New Yorkers on what we're doing about this significant
public health event. Right now, everywhere north of New York
City is under a heat advisory and it's only going
(44:48):
to get worse starting today in the Genesee Valley in
the Finger Lakes, and starting tomorrow, extreme heat will hit
everywhere in the great state of New York. Now what
does this mean. It's a dangerous mix of high temperatures
and extreme humidity causing feels like temperature of over one
hundred degrees. Now, that's hot.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I mean one hundred degrees in Texas. Isn't that like
all summer for you guys? One hundred degrees? I know
it's hot, but you know, can we stop freaking out
about this? And of course, uh, you have to understand
that this is all about climate change, right, you have
to know that there is a Here we go, the
(45:33):
WSKG say how climate change can make is making New
York City summer hotter. Warming made recent heat wave in
US and Mexico more likely. New York Times, it's it's everywhere.
It is summertime, it is hot, and we are getting
lectures about climate change. I don't know how much crazier
(45:58):
they're going they need to get. This is the New
York Times. Millions of Americans are in store for a
major heat wave of this week, as temperatures climb in
the Northeast and New York City temperatures will be in
the high nineties. Climate change means temperatures are climbing earlier
in the year. Oh okay, so if it gets hot
early in the summer, that's climate change now. But you
know what's amazing. I bet if it got hot in
(46:19):
the middle of the summer, it would also be climate change.
And believe it or not, if the peak temperatures that
were achieved in the northeastern United States occurred in the
late summer, does anyone to guess it would also be
climate change. Well, this is the great unfalsifiable This is like,
this is the this is the astrology of the meteorology world.
(46:44):
The climate change they get. You can't you can't prove
it's not true. It's insane. I don't know. I always
thought we knew. You know, the winter it gets cold,
the summer it gets hot. This is kind of the
way things are. But you know, not to those maniacs
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Lee Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Thursday edition of Clay and Buck starts right now. Thanks
for joining everybody from all across this great land of ours.
Clay is at the live golf tournament today, so he's out,
gonna be just me Buck so Low taking you on
a joy ride through all of the latest headlines, analysis
(00:21):
and all the rest of it, and we will dive
into all that. I've got a day off tomorrow actually
traveling family stuff. Clay will be in so Low and
then he'll also be solo Monday, so we're trading off
a couple of days here. A lot of news to
get to. We got Fauci on the view. Get excited.
(00:42):
Fauci's making the rounds. He's got a book to sell.
He wants to tell you how wonderful he is. And
I'm not letting this go. If I am the media
nemesis of Fauci, that would be a title that I
would feel honored. We've got some Scotus decision. Well one
came down today and it was a womp womp like
(01:04):
not important, but some big ones looming. Real concerns about
infiltration of terrorists, specifically Jie hottist terrorists at our border
and tying into a small country in Central Asia that
doesn't get a lot of attention, not Afghanistan. Nearby to Afghanistan,
we shall discuss that. We've also got the usual with
(01:29):
Democrat politicians. It's hot outside, so it must be climate change.
And to them, I just want to say, including the
governor of New York, who we will hear from in
a SoundBite in a little bit, well why don't you
just call it global warming? Why don't you just go
with it? You know, why not lean in and say
(01:49):
that it is global warming that because then when things
get really cold, it's really hard to make the case
that it's global warming. So it's climate change. Anyway, we'll
have some fun with that. Also, more on the way
that they are trying to message Biden and all things
of Bidenism going into the debate next week. Wait, it's
(02:12):
a week away, right, a week away from today. I
was gonna say, les's the week a week away from today,
so it's going to be here before you know it.
I mean, look, I'm honored that we get to be
with you here in what is I think just going
to be the most insane, absurd election season we have
ever seen in many ways, But I wanted to start
(02:33):
off with, if I could on the Scotish rulings that
came down today, It's really more about what's coming what's
coming up, and I think the effects that those rulings
are likely to have all the presidential election. We don't
just have Supreme Court decisions coming down in the next
two weeks. We've got a lot of them. They are
(02:56):
going to come fast and furious, and they are also
going to have a major impact on the political landscape.
Enormous impact, I think in the cases involving Trump and
January sixth matters. So let me just tell you first
what happened today. It was a case about taxing overseas
(03:18):
holdings or something. Is a tax issue not particularly interesting
other than I think worth noting that we are far
too heavily taxed, that we have the most aggressive global
regime of extra to extra territorial taxation of any country,
certainly any normal westernized country or developed country on the planet,
(03:43):
and we just keep accepting it. Meanwhile, we're on a
pathway to fifty trillion dollars in debt in the next
couple of decades. It's going to get really ugly out
there with the enormous payments we're going to have to
make just to for the money we've already borrowed. And
you see when social Security is set to run out,
(04:05):
you see what Medicare is set to run out, and
yet we're still sending, you know, billions, hundreds of billions
to Ukraine. As I've said from the beginning, trillion dollar
check going to Ukraine, guaranteed, guaranteed when they add it
all up, whenever this thing, and it might not be
over for years, years and years to come, whenever they
add it all up, you'll have spent over a trillion
(04:26):
dollars so that the eastern portions of Ukraine are not
in the hands of the Russian Federation. There we go.
But we're doing all that, we're spending ourselves into oblivion.
So that's a big, big problem, a big challenge. And
then we have these Supreme Court decisions looming. Like I said,
not a big one today, but we've got a few
(04:48):
big ones that are coming up in the next week
or two. We will find out. I don't think they'll
do it right on messinal they drop one of these
on the debate day. I suppose that would be possible.
But you've got criminal charges against President Donald Trump being
looked at an abortion case, a guns case, some social
media protection for minors stuff. I think there's a few
(05:11):
social media cases. What I think is a fascinating case
on homelessness that I'm going to dive into here in
a second. And then Chevron doctrine, which has to do
with the power of executive agencies. Chevron Doctrine sounds boring,
but it has to do with whether or not, you know,
the EPA and these other government bodies, congressionally congressionally constructed
(05:36):
executive branch agencies, whether they get to effectively make law
or not. That's a big deal. It's a big deal.
It's not a Supreme Court case that necessarily gets people
who aren't court watchers excited, but it does make a
big difference in your lives. I mean, I remember doing
some of these stories back in my early days at
(05:57):
the Blaze, when the Obama administration was getting really aggressive
over protecting quote, wetlands, and you would find out that
there are people who have, like, you know, a drainage
swamp in their backyard. They do something about it. Now
the EPA wants to find them fifteen thousand dollars a
day or something until they turn the swamp back on effectively,
(06:20):
or they may. It's crazy stuff that these executive agencies,
and they are a fourth branch of government. So that's
the Chevron doctrine case that's coming down. I think that's
an important one. You also have the big one, the
biggest one by far is presidential immunity Clay, and I
see that one the same way we have all along.
(06:41):
I don't know anybody who I trust on legal matters
who sees the outcome differently in terms of the decision.
I mean, whether it's five four or sixty three, we'll see,
But I think what they'll say is that the president
has immunity in president like duties, in presidential things. So
(07:05):
that makes sense. As we've said all along, you can't
actually have a situation where the president can you bludget
his secretary to death with a paperweight or something in
the oval office, and then you say, well, I'm the president,
so you know, can't prosecute me. That's not the system
that we have or we want. But if a president
(07:25):
says I'm calling in a strike on this country as
part of our national security, or I'm doing something that
is in the duties, this is true of law enforcement officers.
It was true when I was in the CIA. Right,
if I did something CIA like, I could at least
theoretically expect to have some degree of federal protection in
my actions. Right. Most likely it's not always the case.
(07:48):
But if I was just driving home and I got
into road rage and I ran somebody off the road,
I can't say, well, I was an official CIA business
or I'm a CIA officer. Not like that matters to
anybody anyway, Probably throw me in prison longer now. So
that's going to be pretty straightforward. Where I don't think
it's straightforward. And Clay and I see this one differently.
(08:09):
Is I think that Jack Smith has realized the New
York case is a total nothing burger in terms of
the polls. So he's got to go all out to
at least bring that j six trial before the election,
to at least get it started and try to get
Trump in that courtroom every day. He'll do everything that
he possibly can. If we're relying on So this is
(08:33):
the way it's going to go. Supreme Court in the
next two weeks, I think sometimes it's gone into the
first week of July. Like I said, twenty cases left
to go. So this is usually they've gotten most of
the cases already released. They're leaving a lot here for
the last couple of weeks of June. But the way
that I think this goes down, Supreme Court will say
there's qualified immunity for the president or specified I should
(08:56):
say specified immunity for the president. Here's what it is.
And then Judge Chutkin is going to go into just
ludicrous speed. Okay, great, here we go, give me your emotions,
let's go. Let's try to get this. And then that
Trump team will try to appeal it. But the appeals
court will say, oh, okay, we'll rule on this. Remember
it's all in DC, the same courts that have moved
(09:21):
at incredibly fast speed because this is all about politics
and they know it. So then the appeals court, which
is the circuit court instead of the district court, will
move as fast as they can, give the lawyers on
the Trump team as little time as possible to respond,
and then they'll try to take it up to the
Supreme Court. Again. If the Supreme Court takes it, maybe
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they run out the clock before the election and this
trial doesn't happen. But if the Supreme Court does not
intervene and lets this play out in the lower courts.
I think there's a very good chance that they're going
to get that trial started. So that's what really matters
about that decision. It's really more even about that for Trump,
it's more about the timing than anything else. It is
also the first time that you'll have a precedent set
(10:04):
in the courts for what the limits of presidential power are,
which has never been touched on, I'm sorry, presidential immunity rather,
which has never been touched on before. You know, what
is the legal immunity level of a president. There's been
DOJ memos on it, but that'll be important. The other
really big one that is out there that will have
I think an effect on the election as well, is
(10:27):
the usage of an obstruction statute against J six protesters.
The big problem they have with this one is they've
thrown the book and then some they've thrown the book,
the kitchen sink, one of those you know anvils that
they drop on people and cartoons back in the day,
Like they've thrown everything at the J six protesters. Under
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this statute, they possibly can, and it has a long
possible prison sentence. I mean, pretty much every federal crime,
they can send you to prison for ten or twenty years,
just you know, if they want to. They usually don't.
There's guidelines, but you know, the judge can ignore the
guidelines every federal I mean, if you lie, it's five years.
You know, if you do minor financial stuff, maybe it's
five years. But everything else is ten years, twenty years life,
(11:11):
ten years, twenty years life. Federal sentences are generally very
heavy handed, and they used an obstruction of government statue
to go after all these J six protesters. Well what
about all the other protests that have happened, And why
is there's no specificity or there's no specification for this
(11:32):
particular day that Congress convenes is in some way, you know,
more sacred than a whole range of other federal government activities,
including federal government activities that have been obstructed by left
wing protesters. So how do they explain the disparity? We
know the disparities politics, But the Supreme Court may wait,
may weigh in on this one, and that could mean
(11:55):
that a lot of J six protesters have their sentences
either dramatically they'll demand you know, a retrial or you know,
an appeal, So that's a very realistic possibility. And then
the other one that I think is going to be
and I find this fascinating too. The other case that
will be coming down shortly, and this one is expected
(12:18):
to go a certain way as well. Is this case
that has to do with camping in public homeless tense,
essentially on the playground on your corner. You know, of course,
the liberals, the leftists on the court want people to
be able to camp. You know, if your public school
(12:40):
has a playground or a public park next to it,
they want drug addicts to be able to live there.
That's what they think America is now. They want those,
they want people that are I want to get into this.
It's the City of Grant's Pass, Oregon versus v. Johnson,
and I want to address this case because it goes
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to so much of what we are seeing on the
crime side of things in this country and the permissiveness
that democrats always find a way to try and justify.
So we'll get into this. Oh, also the notion of
unhoused people. That's a big part of this. Unhoused people.
This is now what you call homeless. We have a
new term. We have a new term, and I'll break
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down why that's being used. Undocumented unhoused. You'll notice the
usage of that prefix calls out for a solution. House them,
document them. Then it's all figured out right, Then it's
all finished. Undocumented unhoused, make them documented, make them house.
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We'll discuss that. And speaking of undocumented, the wide open border,
I mean it is now a simple matter, a simple
matter for any Jihattis terrorist group anywhere in the world
to infiltrate the United States. Easy, easy as can be,
and nobody would doubt it. So it's a real risk,
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it's a real challenge. It's something we need to talk
about and take action on. I think that that's one
of the critical things that Trump can do, assuming we
can help push him across the line into this victory.
We'll talk about it. Also, make sure you give me
a ring any of these topics. Love to hear from you.
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Podcasts, and welcome back into Clay and Buck looking at
the state of the race right now, as we are
just a week away from that pivotal which is a
word you will hear a lot about the upcoming debate,
pivotal debate, But we are just a week away, and
everyone's looking very very closely at what's going on here
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with the polls, but also with the overall overarching narratives
of these two campaigns. There's a lot riding on this.
I mean, I think there's four years of government mismanagement,
petty tyranny, crazy leftist policy, you know, being laughed at
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on the world stage by anybody who's a near peer
ally or enemy. If Biden wins and their side, their
side thinks that it's the end of the country as
we know it. It's the end of the country as
we know it, and we will not still be fine.
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We will not feel fine. It will be bad. I
am not exaggerating this, as you know, it's really something
that's being said all the time. I've been saying that
I have enjoyed watching some MSNBC recently. What I realizes
that MSNBC it's it's as though it's really a surveillance
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camera that they've put in a therapy session where people
just have constant panic attacks over Donald Trump. Oh my gosh,
Donald Trump. You know, they're just constantly freaking out about
Donald Trump. That is what MSNBC's content mostly is that,
and ostentatious diversity in their conversations in there, you know,
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at the guest round tables, everything all we need, we need,
there's never enough DEI. But you know that they're particularly
freaked out about this. Oh wait here, I'm sorry, Joe Scarborough.
This is uh, this is what he says, Joe Scarborough
on the Putin Kim so Putin met with Kim Jong un,
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and he's comparing that too. If Trump wins in twenty twenty,
this is cut eighteen play.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And earlier today, the North Korean leader hosted Putin for
a lavish welcome ceremony with portraits.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And both leaders strewn in top.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Surrounding buildings throughout the nearby sea streets.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Think Washington, d C. In twenty twenty five. If Donald
Trump wins, that's right. Trump is just like Kim Jogun
and Putin. They're completely insane. Let's go back to Let's
go back to what they're telling us in the I
could just play clip after clip of the various mental
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health breakdowns that Democrats have at the mere thought of
Trump being president. Reminder, we all know he was president,
and other than the whole COVID situation, which is a
very complicated topic, but the three years of Trump getting
to be a president without a global pandemic that was
foisted upon us by China and their lab then you
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would have you have a really solid presidency. What is
the horrible thing I always I don't talk to you know.
I guess I'm at a point now where enough people
know who I am that meet me at least or
that talk to me that they generally don't go there,
including the Libs. I feel like earlier on in my
life in media, people come up and they'd be like,
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I have I have a bone to pick with you, Sarah.
I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a fun conversation,
you know, here we go. Or the other one is
I have I have something you've never thought of before.
You need to take this into account before you're all
pro Trump and blah blah. I've probably thought of it before.
I hate to break it to the hysterical libs probably
considered I know, their arguments better than they do. And
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I know that their arguments are bad, but I I
I've got to say, I sit here and and I
think about what the terrible thing is that they think
that Trump did, and and and it's amazing because it's say,
you think he's gonna do all these horrible things this time,
it's going to be so horrible. What was the terrible
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thing in the first term? And his his top advisor
was effectively a Democrat, Jared Kushner, longtime known Democrat. Okay,
so that Jared had more sway and advice in that
White House than probably anybody else. His daughter Ivanka was
also a senior advisor. She's a moderate. There were some
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golden sacks folks that were brought in. I mean you
really look at it. You look at the cabinet, and
you look at the choices that were made. We got
tax cuts, we got I mean, it was good. He
did a good job, a million times better than Biden.
But where's the radicalism that they're so freaked out about.
I mean, it really is just so personal for them
because he makes fun of them, and they wake up
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every day, whether it's the New York Times or MSNBC
or Democrat politicians or super wealthy you know, Silicon Valley
or Wall Street democrats. Remember Wall Street goes mostly for
Democrats these days. You know, they want to feel like
they're superior to everybody else. And Trump comes along and
he's like, I'm not impressed. I think you're kind of
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a bunch of clowns. It's deeply personal for them, and
if you see it that way, so much of the
rest of it makes sense because when you look at
the policies, Oh what people that are people that are
on their way to East Hampton from you know, the
Upper East or Upper West Side every every week. Those
who don't know, that's super fancy place in Long Island
where the rich people in New York City go. You know,
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all the people you see on CNN an MSNBC. Trust me,
that's where they are every weekend. Oh. They care so
much about kids in cages at the border, and they
care so much about you know, the Muslim bend. And no,
they like to talk about how much they care about those.
This doesn't affect them at all, doesn't affect them at all.
And they don't care about the people who are working class,
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who have millions and millions of illegals in their neighborhoods
clogging the emergency rooms with routine care requests, and you
know that doesn't sound like a big deal, and you'll
you know, it catch like a bandsaw on the shoulder
when you're working in the shop and you really need
help right now now. You don't want and overworked and
you know, under triaged er because people are going in
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there for vision tests. But that's what you have. They
don't care about any of this. Ask them what the
terrible scary policy. It's one of the best ways you
can deal with your Trump hating neighbor, other than just
not talking to them, which is I highly advise in
most cases. People who ask me this too, I'll tell
you they'll say, what do you do when people come
up to you and they want a debate in your life?
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And I say that I just I'm as I'm as
neutral and boring as I can possibly be, because I
just give them nowhere to go. You know, people don't
really know me, but maybe they know a little bit.
They'll come up they're like, well, what do you think
about the fact that Trump there's a thirty four phone
say things like, yeah, it's a crazy world. We live
in I love that drives them nuts. It drives them nuts.
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Oh man, they're so unhinged. It's so much fun, you know,
But don't you realize that Trump is a threat to
our democracy? And like, man, interesting stuff going on these days.
You know, just if you just lean into it with that,
you know, they because they can't really get mad at
you for that, so they're just they're like, come on,
say something, and you're like, ah, I don't know if
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I want to play this game. I think I just
want to hang out. I think I'm gonna go go
to the other side of the room and pretend like
I'm not dealing with this person who thinks that Anthony
Fauci is a good person. We'll get to the Fauci
stuff in a little bit, but that's I always think
it's it's fascinating if you actually compare the reality of
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Trump term one to what they say is going to
happen in Trump term two. These people are delusional. They're
they're in some state of psychological duress, like something has
happened to them. They're there, They're neurologically compromised by Trump.
He has broken them emotionally. Otherwise you can't really explain
any of this stuff right, doesn't make any sense if
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Trump wins, and I certainly hope and I think you will.
I said that all along. I think Trump will win.
I'm not celebrating early, because we know. I think that's
one of the most devastating mistakes that one can make
in life in general, celebrate too early. I'm not celebrating.
We have a hard, hard fight ahead. I think it's
going to be close, by the way, I don't think
it's going to be some enormous Trump red wave. I
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think it'll be maybe in the electoral college it'll look
really good, But in terms of the overall votes cast,
when you look at as a percentage of population, it's
going to be very small. And here's why I say this.
I say it because even Frank Luntz, the pollster, is
saying that you look at what's gone on post conviction
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for Trump, and you cannot ignore these numbers. It's not
just that Iowa is going well for Trump. We had
Governor Reynolds on yesterday like almost twenty point advantage in Iowa.
I think it's eighteen was the latest polling in Iowa.
What does that mean for Michigan? What does that mean
for Minnesota? This has cut seven. Listen to what pollster
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Lunz has to say to me.
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It's not that Donald Trump is winning so big an Iowa.
That's not the story. It's that he's making it close
in Minnesota. Minnesota is a reliable Democratic state and votes
Democrat in every presidential campaign, and poll after poll, I
see Trump within two or three points in Minnesota. I
don't think the media understands exactly what's going on right now. Yes,
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Trump dropped a few points after being found guilty on
thirty four felony accounts, but remember this, that would have
destroyed any candidate as recently as ten years.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Ago, any candidate as recently as ten years ago, and
yet here we are. Trump is the exception. Trump is
the unstoppable force in this matter. It's fascinating to see
how this is going. And I think that the Democrats
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must recognize there is the very real possibility that in
breaking the glass and breaking all their norms and crossing
the rubicon many times over. I don't know how many
cliches I can work in here, but they will have
created the very platform upon which Trump leaps to reelection.
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That's a real possibility. Now. I don't know if that's
what's going to happen, but they've got to be worried
about that, especially given what we were talking about with
their absurd levels of fear over Trump. And I would
just say the Democrats have got to look at something
like Minnesota and say, if it's close in Minnesota, how
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could we have a prayer in the true toss up states?
And how are they going to turn this around? We'll
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Second hour Clay and Buck kicks off. Now. Thank you
so much for being here with us. I wanted to
talk a little bit about the Supreme Court decision that's
going to be coming down soon, and I think it's
expected to go the way of the Conservatives on the
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four by four, or it might be six y three,
but it's important. It's important because it goes to whether
or not you can camp out on the street, whether
you can camp on the street, whether you can set
up tents and public parks. It's about the city of
Grant's Pass, Oregon. I did a little reading about this.
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I know, we've got a big station k e X
out of Portland and we've got people listening. In the
state of Oregon, Grant's Pass is like thirty thousand people.
I guess that qualifies as a small city, large town
somewhere between. And they have an ordinance that you are
not allowed to sleep on public property. And the reason
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they have this is because what ends up occurring is
people set up tense and other shacks, whatever, shanties, whatever
you want to call them, and and they set up
they set these up and they live there. Now you
might say, is that necessarily a bad thing, And the
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answer is yes, it is because of what ends up
invariably happening when people live in places that are not
meant for living, and also the kind of people who
overwhelmingly are going to be the ones who are choosing
to live on you know, a basically public square or
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in a park in some area, whether it's you know,
a highway underpass, whatever. If you live in LA you've
seen a lot of this. There's a lot of this
in Austin, Texas that I've seen, and you have some
cities that have finally just said enough isn't enough. Because
here's I'll get into the Supreme Court argument of this
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in a second. Here's what has happened though, And I
think that this accelerated a lot during COVID and it
has become an even bigger problem. You've had the broad
effort to decriminalize a lot of crime. And this comes
out of the George Floyd stuff, the protests and BLM
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and all this. But there's been a broad effort to
decriminalize crime. And we talk about it a lot here
on the show. Things like you won't get arrested if
you don't steal over nine hundred dollars of stuff. That
was the law in California. Basically, you will no longer
be arrested for public urination, public drunkenness, sleeping on the street, obviously, stealing,
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all kinds of shoplifting, things like that, doing drugs out
in the open. And this has largely ruined the downtowns
of some of the most major cities in America, and
particularly on the West coast in the Pacific Northwest, Seattle
and Portland and San Francisco. They all come to mind
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as being examples of this, and for a while it was, oh,
this is just some right wing thing, it's not really true.
Now they've had to admit that it is a problem
because here's what ends up happening. Here's the problem that
you get when you have people that are sleeping out
in these public areas. They generally are individuals who are
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drug addicted. Now that's a generalization, I know, but the
percentages either drug or alcohol addicted very high, very high
incidents of mental health problems and not getting help for it.
Obviously they're they're living on the streets. And then what
happens is you have more and more people congregating in
that area. You have waste disposal issues, trash everywhere. You
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have people who are urinating and defecating in public, in
broad daylight, in full view of everybody else. It's unsanitary.
It's unsanitary for the people who live in the encampment,
it's unsanitary to people around the encampment. And then when
you have a congregation of drug addicts, what do you
have You have more drug use. With the increase in
that drug use, what do you have a need to
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be able to pay for the drugs that one is getting.
So then you start to have more petty crime, more theft,
and it just spirals. It's spirals, and it really begins
in a lot of these places with these with these
ordinances on camping, with these prohibitions on I mean, camping
isn't the right you know, homeless tents on the street
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and the sidewalk is really what this is about. I mean,
you see, like downtown Austin. Austin's an awesome city in
so many ways. Amazing food and the river and the lake. Oh,
it's so cool. I really like Austin. But there are
ten cities, little pockets of I think it's gotten maybe
a little better recent years. I haven't been in a
couple of years, but when I was there, there are
ten cities all over the place. And this isn't good
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for anybody, and for these towns that have so many rules.
I mean, I live in Miami Beach. I can't widen
a staircase in Miami Beach without you know, three months
of approval and all this other stuff. There are so
many rules, so many laws at all these places. But
the Democrats and these different NGOs and nonprofits, and the
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leftists Kagan, Sonomayor and Catanji Brown Jackson on the court
clearly want to make it so you're not allowed to
ban encampments. I mean, this decision hasn't come down yet,
but I can assure you it's very likely all three
of them are going to say this is, you know,
a human rights violation. To give you a sense of it,
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the issue at hand is whether the enforcement of generally
applicable laws regarding camping on public property constitutes a violation
of the Eighth Amendment cruel and unusual punishment. So what
the leftists are doing is saying, if you don't want
congregations of homeless people, notice they want to call it
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unhoused now as and I explain why that is unhoused.
All you have to do is change to prefix, give
them housing now they're housed. Problem solved. But actually the
problem is not solved. A lot of the people who
are unhoused. You could give free housing too, And this
happens all the time, and they still have drug addiction problems,
and they still can't support themselves, and they still don't
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have a job, and a lot of the time they
still end up and choose to be out on the streets,
because that's that is the choice there is. There are
whole populations that homelessness by choice is a real thing.
You've written about the New York Times. People they don't
want to check in at a shelter, They don't want
to deal with the public housing as thora or anything
like that. They want to do exactly what they want
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to do, which is be out in the open, beg
for money, maybe steal, and do drugs, and then sleep
wherever they want. And you can imagine if you are
a a tax paying property, tax paying also, by the way,
person who wants your kids to be able to go
to a safe, safe school or you know, walk through
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a safe neighborhood and go to a safe school, and
you don't want to have these concerns. You don't want
to worry about break ins because of the encampment down
the street. The people who say, oh, it doesn't lead
to crime, they are wrong, They are lying. Of course
it does. If you have congregations of drug addicts and
the mentally ill out in the open on the street
without services, without assistance, guess what's going to happen. Bad
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things happens at every city across the country. I've mentioned this,
I think before here when I grew up, and this
is people still don't. They feel like they can't believe this.
When I grew up on the I grew up on
the Upper east Side, fancy neighbor just be honest about it.
Right around the corner from us, and I mean like
fifty yards they had set up a city councilman had
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set up effectively a homeless shelter on the street. On
the street, and I used to walk to church and
we would go pass and I remember I was a
little I was a little kid. I mean I was,
you know, five or six years old, but I remember this,
holding my mom's hand as we would have to cross
to the other side of the street because of all
the you know, people that were doing drugs, shouting, urinating
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on the street. I mean there were fifty sixty seventy
people living on this sidewalk, and the city councilman, because
it was the nice thing to do, would give them
little cookstoves and provide them with mattresses. And this was
out on the street, and the whole neighborhood had to
come together and create a fence to prevent this I mean,
it was a mess. Why should we have been? And
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of course there were crimes committed, and there was an
assault and there was like a life sexual assault. I
don't know what ended up happening with it, but it
was a mess. Okay, it was a mess, and we
all understand that that's what's going to happen. So now
you have leftists that think it is a cruel and
unusual punishment to say nobody is allowed to just live
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in a public space that is not meant for living.
H I mean, wow, this is how far they want
to take this. This is this is yet again one
of these moments where I have to say the Democrats
really are They're just the They're just constantly undermining civilization
at every opportunity. They're just trying to find a way
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how do we make more disorder, more misery, more dysfunction,
and then try to create and really reverse engineer it
so that we're creating a legal rationale for it, or
civil rights rationale for it, or an equity rationale for it.
I certainly hope this case comes down the way that
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I think that it will, which is to say that
it acceptable for a town or a city to say
you're not allowed to live in the playground. You know,
you can't have adults living in the playground. Sorry, you know,
you gotta to figure something else out. It's interesting the
Ktanji Brown Jackson and Kagan. We're both making the case
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that sleeping in public, isn't it kind of just like breathing,
Like you have to sleep, you have to breathe, So
is just like saying you can't breathe in public. I mean,
really trying the most facetious arguments because ultimately the leftist
mindset is to find a way to try to elevate degeneracy.
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That keep in mind, none of them are ever okay
with this when it is on their doorstep. I mean,
you find me a prominent liberal, You find me a
prominent democrat or leftist who lives in a neighborhood where
they want to start having more zoning for low income housing,
who lives in a neighborhood and you know, know like
Martha's Vineyard remember that? Or was it Nantucket? I can't
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remember now it was Nantucket, right? Or is it Martha's Vineyard?
I can't remember? Where? Did where did Ron de Santis
send the migrants? Was one of the fancy islands anyway,
you know, But who who live in a neighborhood where
the where there won't be a lot of illegals. They
love to pretend that they care so much about this,
but they want to always make sure that it's not
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going to affect them. They don't want this on theirs,
on their street. They don't want this in their neighborhood
because they know, they know that it will result in
the degeneracy that I'm talking about in the criminality. But
as long as it's affecting somebody else and they get
to think well of themselves, oh man, there is nothing
that they won't they won't push for nothing that they
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will not do. The experiment has been run, particularly in
the West Coast, in a lot of cities where we've decided,
let people do drugs, let them urinate and broad daylight
in front of everybody, let them, you know, trash the streets,
you know, sleep in sidewalk so you can't actually walk.
It's no longer even a pedestrian way. And that came
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up in this issue. I think the one of the
judges involved in the lower level was saying that a
sidewalk isn't really a pedestrian way if I'm read through
a lot of this stuff, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
But this is what you're this is what you're up against.
People who see the results, they got their way. Now
we're trying to fix the problem. And the Democrats stand
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up and say, don't fit, don't fix it. It's cruel
and unusual punishment to fix it. They think it is
more kind and decent to de facto promote people living
in psychological duress addicted to drugs on the street, with
you know, rats and vermin running around and and subject
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to assault and rape and everything from you know, other
drug addicts around them. They think that is a more
kind position than saying sorry, law enforcements going to come.
You always will have the option of going to a shelter,
You always have the option of public services, but you
can't live here. You know, this is it's amazing. You
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have these these three Supreme Court justices, all of whom
went to you know, Ivy League schools, and they want
to act like, yeah, I mean, just let like a
giant homeless encampment of drug addicted criminals pop up anywhere
and the city or the state or the town can't
do anything about it that's going to be good for society.
You notice they don't learn the lesson right because it's
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not about what's true. It's about what makes them feel good.
It's about what makes democrats feel good to promote, feel good,
to vote for, feel good, to post on social media
or tell their friends at cocktail parties or whatever luncheons.
And that's why we have such a hard time fixing
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these cities, so many great American cities brought low by
just intransigent, dumb policy. And we'll see what the Supreme
Court does on this one, but I think it's the
beginning of the turnaround that can happen, at least in
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I think we all know that, at least in America
this time of year, it gets hot in a lot
of places. That's not a surprise to you, It's not
a surprise to me. It's summer, late June already. Can't
believe how the time is flying by. It's like eighty
(43:29):
six degrees now I'm really doing radio eighty six degrees
in breezy in Miami Beach. It's like eighty six in Miami.
It's ninety in New York. I only bring this up
because Governor Hokel, among others, are acting like this is
a time to freak out the governor of New York State,
state that I will always love despite all of its insanity,
(43:52):
poor governor and challenges. Governor Hokeel is saying that these
are levels ninety degrees fahrenheit. I mean, I guess for
our Canadian and British listeners, nineties. Canada does fahrenheit too, right,
We're the only ones that the I mean ere the
Brits do celsius. I can't even keep all this stuff straight, right,
(44:13):
The Canadians use fahrenheit. Canada is like America Junior. We
all know it. So here we have a Governor hokel
who is saying that these temperatures are never seen before
in our lifetime. YadA, YadA, Play five.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
This is not a natural hot weather stretch for us
here in the state of New York, especially upstate, but
we are going to be seeing temperatures at levels we
have not seen in our lifetimes. And I want to
update New Yorkers on what we're doing about this significant
public health event. Right now, everywhere north of New York
City is under a heat advisory and it's only going
(44:48):
to get worse starting today in the Genesee Valley in
the Finger Lakes, and starting tomorrow, extreme heat will hit
everywhere in the great state of New York. Now what
does this mean. It's a dangerous mix of high temperatures
and extreme humidity causing feels like temperature of over one
hundred degrees. Now, that's hot.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I mean one hundred degrees in Texas. Isn't that like
all summer for you guys? One hundred degrees? I know
it's hot, but you know, can we stop freaking out
about this? And of course, uh, you have to understand
that this is all about climate change, right, you have
to know that there is a Here we go, the
(45:33):
WSKG say how climate change can make is making New
York City summer hotter. Warming made recent heat wave in
US and Mexico more likely. New York Times, it's it's everywhere.
It is summertime, it is hot, and we are getting
lectures about climate change. I don't know how much crazier
(45:58):
they're going they need to get. This is the New
York Times. Millions of Americans are in store for a
major heat wave of this week, as temperatures climb in
the Northeast and New York City temperatures will be in
the high nineties. Climate change means temperatures are climbing earlier
in the year. Oh okay, so if it gets hot
early in the summer, that's climate change now. But you
know what's amazing. I bet if it got hot in
(46:19):
the middle of the summer, it would also be climate change.
And believe it or not, if the peak temperatures that
were achieved in the northeastern United States occurred in the
late summer, does anyone to guess it would also be
climate change. Well, this is the great unfalsifiable This is like,
this is the this is the astrology of the meteorology world.
(46:44):
The climate change they get. You can't you can't prove
it's not true. It's insane. I don't know. I always
thought we knew. You know, the winter it gets cold,
the summer it gets hot. This is kind of the
way things are. But you know, not to those maniacs
will running around spraying orange paint on Stonehenge. A bunch
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