Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jun 24 2024

The First Amendment and boobs. Karoline Leavitt joins the club with Clay. Miranda Devine on inmates running the asylum. Lunden Roberts opens up about Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in. We are rolling through the Monday edition
Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I've got some fun to
discuss with you at the end of the hour. My
good friend Jesse Kelly Balding, radio host in the evenings here,
has taken issue with my haircut. Some of you are
really big fans of the haircut. I got an email
from a nice woman who said, Clay, I tuned in

(00:22):
to the Clay and Buck VIP because I'd heard you
talking about how bad your haircut was, and I think
she said it looked fabulous. And I have to track
down that email to respond to these attacks that are
rolling in on a regular basis ever since I got
that haircut from the barber on the street in Washington,
d C. While I was up visiting colleges with my
sixteen year old. Good thing about my hair, I'll just

(00:45):
point out to Jesse Kelly Balding, afternoon radio host, evening
radio show host on this network, unlike a Balding man,
my hair will grow back. But we will discuss this
a bit later in the meantime. Caroline Lovett, who's going
to join us at the top of the third hour
of the program. Caroline Levitt canceled by CNN. They ended

(01:06):
the interview and they said, you're not allowed to even
discuss Jake Tapper and Dana Bash calling Donald Trump on
a regular basis comparing him to Adolph Hitler and the
Nazi regime. They've made that a staple of their broadcasting careers,
and so it's fair to ask whether or not they

(01:27):
can be fair moderators. And some of you out there again,
I'm blown up. Oh he should never be doing this.
He's going into the lions. Then he knows it. I
actually think though, it's super smart strategy of Caroline to
call out the bias in advance, because it may dial
back the bias just a little bit because now everyone

(01:47):
is attuned to the fact that Jake Tapper and Dana
Bash are regularly attacking Donald Trump. We played the audio
for you already, but I wanted to play you throwback style.
This is the story on this for those of you
who haven't heard this. In September of twenty seventeen, I
went on CNN to talk about my belief that the

(02:11):
marketplace of ideas should be powerful and that the First
Amendment should already always triumph and you shouldn't fire people
because you disagree with their opinions. That cancel culture should
not be a thing. I was actually defending Jamel Hill,
who had called Donald Trump a white supremacist. Not accurate,

(02:33):
not fair, dishonest. But I don't believe that in your
private life you should be fired for your political opinions.
I think all of you should be able to go
on Facebook. You should be able to go on Twitter, x, Instagram,
whatever the account is, and when you're not at work,
you should be able to tell your friends and family, hey,

(02:54):
I love Joe Biden. I think he's the greatest president
of all time. I think that you've got a broken
brain if you believe that, But I think you should
be able to say that, and certainly you should be
able to go and say, hey, I think you should
vote for Donald Trump. He did a fabulous job the
first time. I think he'll do a fabulous job the
second time. That is my opinion, much better choice than
Joe Biden. I think you should be able to say that,

(03:14):
or RFK Junior, or you could be a libertarian, or
you could be a Green Party person, or you could
be a Carnell West support or whatever. When you're outside
of work, I think you should be able to share
your political opinions without fear of losing your job. I
went on CNN to make that argument. I had been
saying on my radio show, my sports talk radio show

(03:35):
for some time that the First Amendment was alive and
well on that show, and that callers should be able
to voice any opinion that they wanted, and I had
said as a joke instead of saying, hey, I'm a
First Amendment absolutist, which is kind of a phrase that
people get lost on sometimes hard What does that mean?
You stumble over it? You don't really understand it. I
would say on my show regularly, there's only two things

(03:57):
that had never let me down, the First Amend and
boobs boobs, as you will hear momentarily on CNN, as
a joking way to make it clear that I was
a supporter of people being able to say whatever they want.
And also, by the way, I'm a heterosexual man. It's
kind of true, but we would have fun with that phrase.

(04:18):
I went on CNN and I said it, here's a
throwback to twenty seventeen. I got cut off like Caroline Levitt,
and I am still banned from being able to appear
on CNN seven years later because of this interaction.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Listen, I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I believe in only
two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs, And so
once they made the decision that they were not want
to say you believe in the first commentary.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I just want to make sure I heard you correctly
as a woman anchoring the show, did you say what?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Did you just say?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
You believe in the First Amendment ends btwbs.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Boobs two things that have only never let me down
in this entire country history, the First Amendment and boobs.
So those are the only two things I believe in
absolutely in the country.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly
boo ze or b oo bs, because as a woman,
I'm i'm.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Us in boobs.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I believe completely in the First Amendment and in boobs.
Those are the only two things I believe one hundred
percent in in this country. And by the way, Jamelle
has actually sitting there.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Even say that live on national television and with a
female host.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I say it live on the radio all the time
because it's true. And that's what I do, because I
like boobs and the First Amendment, which is exactly what
I said.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
All right, she cut me off. I'm banned seven years later.
That's real. If you haven't seen it, it continues to
cycle through virally. The kids on TikTok now who are
like five or six years old when that happened. Now
they all see it. I got banned, like Caroline Levitt
got cut off. They said she could come back. I'm
still not allowed to appear on seeing it. But I

(05:59):
think two that are important about that clip. One, it's funny,
So that's not the first thing I'm gonna say. It's
important about it. But the first thing is from that clip,
they wanted me to immediately apologize. You could see her
try to play identity politics with me as a woman.
How dare you say this on CNN? What women don't know?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
That?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Is cleavage a new thing? Are women unaware that men
are attracted to boobs? Is? Is this a stunning revelation
that I provided? And by the way, a comedic way right.
They wanted me to immediately say I'm sorry, I apologize,
I'll bend the need to you. Why would I do that?
And even the other guest there was like, I'm astounded.
I can't believe. And by the way, the other guest

(06:41):
turned out, he had way worse things that he had
said on social media about women. Of course right, because
it's all fake and I did it, I owned it.
So One, you can never apologize. You certainly can never
apologize for a joke or something that you're doing to
add levity to a situation, as I was doing. Two,
I give tremendous credit here. The reason I'm on this

(07:02):
radio program talking to you right now is because I
have the same boss that I had then, Julie Talbot,
who was Russia's boss. I had just started doing sports
talk radio for Julie Talbot when that happened. And you
probably won't be stunned by this, but that was the
peak of cancel culture. Many people demanded that I'd be

(07:24):
fired for going on CNN and saying that, and Julie
Talbot in Premier Networks, who distributes our show and distributed
Russia Show, got a ton of heat. And I'll always
remember Julie Talbot's first response. I love her, but I
had just started working for her at the time they
brought this to her. She's dealing with crisis controversy all

(07:45):
the time. She manages everybody across the political spectrum. They
brought it to her in her first response was, well,
I've heard much worse, and I would go through a
fire for that woman from the point forward, because she
stood up for me when I was still a new
employee for her. I hadn't been doing the sports talk

(08:08):
radio show for much more than a year maybe at
that point in time, and so when she came to
me and to Buck and she said, we want you
guys to be stepping in behind the golden microphone, taking
over and working to advance the audience that Rush built here.
I don't think I would have taken this job if
I hadn't known already that she was our boss and

(08:32):
that she had a steel spine, and that she was
going to have our back no matter what when people
came after us, because this, as you can well imagine,
is the biggest radio platform in the country. I loved
doing sports talk radio. We were killing it in the mornings.
I was apprehensive about making the change. I love. Three

(08:53):
years in we just had our three year anniversary. I
loved the choice that I made and the fact that
Buck and I have been able to have so much
fun and hopefully engage and educate so many of you
in continuing to fight for what we believe in. But
I wouldn't have done it without Julie as the boss.
And I think it's so instructive there of what they
try to do. They will try to take you out

(09:16):
when they can. And I've said this on the radio
program for a long time. They come for you. Those
of you who listen to Rush know this. You know
what Rush went through over his thirty three year career.
Sitting here, they oftentimes come for you, and they don't
come for you necessarily based on the opinion that you

(09:36):
think they will. They find something where they think you're weak,
or they find a pressure point, and they come and
they try to end you because they don't like what
we're saying. They don't truly like the marketplace of ideas.
And I think that's so interesting. I do Fox News
hits a lot. I don't remember Fox News turning the
microphone off a guest. Maybe it's happened, certainly never happened

(10:00):
to me, And no one at Fox News and Julie
Talbot and no one at Ihearted Premiere has ever said
to me. You can't say this, Clay or we need
you to not talk about this issue. It's never happened
in my entire career. I can't speak for everyone else,
but to me, that's the ultimate test. Do you or
do you not trust the voice that you're hearing, Because
as soon as somebody is co opted in any way

(10:24):
by bosses, management, advertisers, any sort of situation where you
feel like, no, they're not telling me what they really think,
you should turn us off. I mean, honestly, any voice
that you hear, as soon as you have reason to
believe that they are not telling you exactly what they
think every day from the honest, deepest soul of their character,

(10:44):
I really believe you should turn them off. And there
are a lot of people in media who are frauds.
It's the truth. Julie Talbot, I think has a great
sensibility for who is being honest, who's telling true story
or he's every single day. And that moment that I
just shared with you, I was thinking about it this

(11:04):
morning as the Caroline Levitt drama has grown and she's
going to join us at Too Eastern. It's why I'm
talking to you today, It's why you've been listening to
me for the last three years because I had an
opportunity to bend the knee there. Julie Talbot had an
opportunity to say, Hey, I don't need this guy associated
with my programming anymore. Let's rip the chord. Let's get

(11:25):
rid of him. She stood behind me. She knows what
I do on a daily basis. She knew where I
was coming from. She has a sense of humor. She's
unlike CNN, She's not going to try to cut somebody's mic.
And that's why Premiere and iHeart if people across the spectrum,
lots of people who disagree with everything I say. A heck,
I think iHeart distributes Keith Oberman, and I think basically

(11:46):
he's an insane man. But if people want to hear
Keith Oberman's opinion, I think they should. I think he
should be able to make it a living on his opinion.
Whether you're far left, far right, wherever the heck you
are on the political spectrum, he hell, if you're a
political in many ways, if you're entertaining on the radio
and in audio, I think you should be able to
make a living. And that's become an old fashioned view,

(12:08):
but I'm confident that We're in a better place now
than we were into twenty seventeen because of people like Rush,
because of people like Julie Talbot, and because CNN's audience
continues to diminish. Why Because I think people have realized
they're not honest, they're not telling you the truth, and overtime,
the truth wins. I really do believe. I'm an optimist

(12:30):
in that way. I do believe that over time the
truth wins. I think Russia's career is an example of that.
I think my career has been an example of that.
Buck's career is an example of that. And you guys
are the ultimate arbiters every single day. But my goodness,
thank the Lord for Julie Talbot. She's amazing. And if
you haven't seen that clip and you want to be entertained,
it's even better, trust me on video. And I'm still

(12:53):
one hundred percent of proponent of the First Amendment and boobs.
Speaking of heterosexual men, you know that testosterone is at
an all time low in this country. It's certainly at
an all time low at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. I
don't know that men employed in the White House have
ever had a lower level of testosterone than right now. Heck,

(13:15):
the John F. Kennedy Democrats, I bet they had triple
the testosterone that the Joe Biden Democrats, the men in
the White House have right now. Just look at their policies,
Just look at their lack of energy, vitality, vigor. Joe
Biden can't even walk across the lawn. We really do
need to send him a bunch of chalk Thursday. I

(13:35):
think you're going to see a major energy difference. Even
if they shoot up Joe Biden with all sorts of drugs,
which I do believe they're gonna do. I think he's
gonna be opped. I don't think he's gonna be able to
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Speaker 1 (15:10):
Welcome back in Clay. Travis buck Sexton Show Monday edition
of the program. Buck'll be back with me tomorrow We've
been breaking down everything as we sit here a couple
of days away from the big debate on Thursday, and
I know many of you are on vacation. I mean,
that's the Thursday before July fourth. That's why on Friday
I spent a lot of time telling you this debate

(15:33):
is about Joe Biden more than it's about Trump, because
Biden has to convince Democrats that he can win, and
I think a lot of them legitimately question whether or
not that is possible. So that is going to be
a big part of this story. We're going to talk
with Caroline Levin. Another major part of the story is
certainly the bias that we know Jake Tapper and Dana

(15:55):
Bash have at CNN, and the fact that they are
left wing activists masquerading as journalists. There is substantial evidence
that that is the case. Caroline Levitt, Trump's campaign spokesperson,
went on CNN this morning and was kicked off the
air for pointing out that Tapper and Dana Bash have
both referred to Trump as Hitler and or compared his

(16:17):
antics to those of Adolf Hitler during the Nazi regime.
For that, CNN said, you are not allowed the host
Cassie Hunt of that Casey Hunt, whatever her name is,
the one that nobody watches in the morning on CNN.
She said that was unacceptable, and she kicked Caroline Levitt
off CNN's air. CNN's not above criticism on its own airwaves.

(16:41):
I think that's very fair. People can come on and
rightly point out that the network that is hosting the
debate is incredibly biased against Trump, and that it's not
crazy to believe that as a result, the questions that
Trump gets and the questions that Biden gets and the
moderation of the debate between the two is unlikely to
be fairly regulated and monitored and moderated. And so that's

(17:07):
a very valid point. Caroline Levett is going to join
us here in a few minutes to talk about the
viral video of her getting kicked off the air, but
I wanted to share with you as we start off
this hour. You guys know that I love to monitor
the election by looking at the daily polls that come out,
and they're basically even Trump's up a little bit. Trump

(17:30):
is in the lead in all the battleground states right now.
If you look at the real clear politics averages that
is Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada and North
Carolina if we want to classify it as a battleground state.
Trump is leading in all seven of those states right now.
He's also even or potentially leading in Virginia and Minnesota,

(17:55):
in several states that Biden won that are not considered
to be quote battleground state. The reason why I bring
that up I love looking daily at the poly market
analysis of where this race is going. And as I
am speaking to you right now, poly market is you

(18:15):
can go place basically wagers on what you think is
likely to happen on anything under the sun, from what
the biggest movie that's out there is going to be
for opening weekend. By the way, inside Out two did
really well. A lot of you out there with kids
may have already gone to see that movie. Inside Out
one was very good. That looks like it might be

(18:36):
the number one movie of the summer. Based on how
things are going right now, you can bet on whether
or not Biden's going to drop out of the presidential race.
I'm just looking at the top right now on who
the Republican vice presidential nominee is going to be, which
we'll probably ask Caroline about. You won't tell us, but
we'll ask. But right now, Trump has just taken a

(18:58):
commanding lead of twenty four points in their race for
who is going to be the presidential election winner in
twenty twenty four. It's an all time high. And you
can bet on Michelle Obama, you can bet on Gavin Newsom,
you can bet on Kamala Harris RFK Junior. Trump now
leads Biden fifty nine to thirty five. And this is

(19:18):
what's crazy about this, the amount of money that has
been wagered so far, over one hundred and eighty million dollars.
So I like to see where people not what they're
just saying, but where people are putting their money, not
just what they're chirping about. Because a lot of people
go on CNN and say, Joe Biden's in phenomenal shape.
What are people with their actual money putting down and

(19:42):
where is all what are these markets telling us?

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Now?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Again, it's a probability. Like any sporting event. Tonight, I'm
going to be watching Tennessee against Texas A and M.
Some of you may be watching Edmonton against Florida, like
any sporting event, you all know, there's a wide potential
outcome for any individual game, so it's all probability based.
Sometimes the underdog wins, usually the favorite wins, but sometimes

(20:07):
the underdog wins. So that is intriguing to follow. Trump
has also said over the weekend that his vice president
told NBC News watch the video of it, that his
vice president is going to be at the debate. Assuming
that's true, surprises me a little bit. But assuming that's true,

(20:29):
then we will know Trump's VP pick very soon. Right
at the end of June, I thought he would wait,
maybe till July fourth, maybe even until he's going to
be sentenced in theory on the thirty four felon accounts
July eleventh, somewhere around there. But if you believe the
gambling markets, right now, Doug Bergham is the favorite to

(20:54):
be the next vice president of the United States for
Donald Trump. Jad Vance is in second place, and then
surging out of nowhere, Glenn Youngkin in third place. Just
thought that was intriguing. I haven't heard anybody talking about

(21:16):
Glenn Youngkin at all. Suddenly Glenn Youngkin is surging up
into third place. I mentioned Vivek earlier, the fact that
we might work together at BuzzFeed. Viveke is in fourth place,
Ben Carson, then Tim Scott. You've heard all these guys
on the show at some point in time. But I

(21:37):
just thought that was interesting and basically all men as well.
Byron Donalds and Marco Rubio. Ali just texted me Producer Ali.
By the way, Caroline Levitt texted me. She said she'll
be with us in two minutes, so get ready to
answer the phone there. Ali just said that Glenn Youngkin
is the seabiscuit of this race. Would be interesting because

(22:00):
Glenn Youngkin would be coming out of nowhere. And if
you guys remember on this show, we just had him
on one a couple of weeks ago. I like all
these guys, gotten to know them all, both on the
show and a lot of times outside of the show
as well. Do you notice how well Glenn Youngkin dodged
the VP questions. I mean he was like Ali and
the Ropodope, you know, just dodging punches, taking him to

(22:24):
the body if he needed to. I thought a long
time he was in the mix. If he is in
the mix, it would suggest that Virginia is actually in play,
and this would be a little bit of a move
by Trump if he put Youngkin in the mix. If
Trump picks Glenn Youngkin, it's gonna be because he believes

(22:48):
he has a chance to knock out Joe Biden. In Virginia,
Caroline Levitt joins us now the most popular woman in media.
Before we get into you versus CNN, I think this
is important part of the story. Your due date is when.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
My due date is in three weeks?

Speaker 5 (23:07):
Three?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, So at eight months plus pregnant, you just went
on CNN and you knocked out Casey Hunt. I'm told
that's how you pronounce her name. I didn't even know
who the CNN morning host was when you rightly pointed out,
Wait a minute, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash have been
saying that Trump and comparing Trump to Hitler. That's kind

(23:29):
of a big deal, I think, considering they're the moderators.
Were you stunned that they pulled the plug on you
during that interview?

Speaker 7 (23:36):
I was absolutely shocked. Yes, it is truly shocking how
triggering the truth is to CNN. All I was doing
was pointing out statements that Jake Tapper has made on
the air, So why is he allowed to go on
air on CNN and push anti Trump lies, but I'm
not allowed to bring them up. I mean, it was

(23:57):
it was really crazy that she cut me off to abruptly.
And you know, I was doing this interview from a
remote studio and I couldn't see the program, so I
didn't realize she.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Had cut me off.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
I was I was answering her question about our strategy
and President Trump's plan to talk about immigration and inflation.
And no, the producer had to tell me they booted
me off the network for bringing up the truth about
fake Tapper, which is utterly ridiculous and by the way,
proves my entire point that this debate on Thursday is
going to be unfair in a hostile environment and everyone

(24:29):
knows this.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Carolin, It's funny you mentioned that because I played audio
for the guys and gals listening out there on the
show seven years ago. They did the same thing to
me on CNN. This doesn't happen very often. We're on
a live interview, they pull the plug. But if you
don't have a return feed, and I didn't you and
you're for kind of taking people behind the scenes here.
If you don't have a return feed of your camera

(24:51):
you are just talking into a camera lens as I'm
doing right now on Clay and Buck for our videos
VID subscribers. You don't know that they pulled the plug,
so you're still they're talking, and then somebody has to
get in your ear and they're like, actually, they took
you off the air. I mean, you've done a lot
of interviews. Has anything like this ever happened to you?

Speaker 7 (25:09):
No, I've never been booted off of the network. I
don't know if I should wear it as a badge
of honor or what.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Especially, yes, you should. So here's the question, then, Caroline,
doesn't this draw way more attention to Jake Tapper and
Dana Bash than if they had just let you make
your argument instead of censoring you and cutting you off.
I mean it just I saw this clip as soon
as I woke up this morning, and I said, oh,
my goodness, this is such a huge win for Team

(25:36):
Trump and Caroline.

Speaker 7 (25:38):
If I were fake Tapper, I'd be very upset with
my colleague Casey Hunt for cutting me off the air
today because it brought so much more attention to him
than this man wants four days ahead of the debate.
I mean, there are a plethora of videos now on
Twitter x showing all.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Of Jack Tapper's statements. If they had just let me speak,
I would have said.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
My part and we would have moved on. But nope,
they couldn't handle it. And so now the whole world
is talking about how fake, fake Tapper is. And it's
not just Jake Tapper, by the way, it's also Dana
Bash too. She has a history of being very much
anti Trump. And you know what, It's okay, we know
that President Trump knows who.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
These people are. He's going to debate no matter what.
But they continue to.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Act like they're fair and unbiased journalists, which is just
a load of crap. I mean, CNN has now doubled
down saying they're two of their most veteran journalists in
the country. I mean, give us a break. People have
eyes and they have ears, and they can see and
hear what these people have said for years, and they're
cutting me off. Today again just proved our point and

(26:42):
has actually can really really backfired for the entire network.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So for people out there are who are watching this
and we're talking to Caroline Lovett, super viral getting kicked
off CNN this morning, Trump is traveling all over the
country doing events as his prep for the debate. Joe
Biden has basically locked himself in Camp David for a
week to try to get ready for this ninety minute
debate by itself, What does the preparation methods of Trump

(27:08):
and Biden tell us, Well, it tells us.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Joe Biden is incapable of serving this country. The fact
that he has to hide away in the woods, very
far from the cameras at Camp David and does not
have one publicly scheduled event between now and the debate.
I mean, you can't do prep for a few hours
and then also host a press conference or something.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I mean that is actually deeply.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
Concerning that the leader of the free world cannot do
a few things at the same time.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
And it's a.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
Sharp contrast to President Trump's schedule. I can tell you
the man is still working around the clock. He's hosting fundraisers,
he's doing hostile media interviews, which is the best debate
prep of all, and he's also been taking questions directly
from American voters, the most important audience. He was in
Philly this past Saturday. Not only did he give an
hours long speech, he also stopped by a chief stake

(28:00):
shop and took questions from voters directly. So President Trump
is well prepared. Joe Biden's team clearly feels like he
is not. That's why they are hiding him away in
the woods with a bunch of advisors who are drilling
talking points into his head, which again is concerning considering
this is a man who's been in politics for fifty
one years, like twice as long as I've been alive, almost,

(28:22):
but he still needs to be told what to say.
He doesn't know where he stands on policy. It just
shows you they know that his record has been indefensible
and they need to very much prepare to defend Joe
Biden's terrible policies that have led our country into the
ground over the last three and a half years.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Carol, I should the Trump team be concerned that CNN
is going to leak questions in advance to Joe Biden,
given the fact that we know leaked questions have happened
in Democrat related debates in the past.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
Well, based on the history of these debates, it would not.
It certainly wouldn't shock us. Again, we know what President
Trump is getting into on Thursday, we're fully aware of that.
But it speaks to President Trump's determination that even with
the cards stacked against him on Thursday night, He's still
willing to go into this cage match and fight a

(29:12):
three on one fight with all of the rules in
favor of Joe Biden. And he's doing it because he
made a promise to the American people that he would
debate Biden anytime, anywhere, any place, and that's exactly what
he's doing.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
And you think Joe.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
Biden would do this with maybe you as the moderator, Clay,
I don't think so, right like, and I would be,
by the way, way fairer than fake Tapper is.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I haven't said as many bad things about Biden as
he said about Trump. I've never compared him to Hitler.
Last question for you, Caroline, I'd be happy to host
a debate, so would Buck. We know you're having a
baby boy, if I remember correctly. Have you picked the.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Name yet, Yes, we have picked a name.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
As it.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Is public. It's after my husband. His name is Nicholas,
but we're gonna call him Nico for short, so it
goes with our last name, which I don't use for
work because you know, Caroline levit's already established out there.
I'm getting kicked off of CNN, but it goes with
our name. It's a nice Italian name. And he should
be here any day now, which is totally crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It is crazy. You're kicking ass and you're over eight
months pregnant, Caroline. I also love the name Nico because
he's going to be the new starting quarterback at the
University of Tennessee Volunteers is named Nico. So this is
a good omen for me doubling down here. Caroline, congrats
in advance, keep doing fantastic work, and thank you for
making the time for us.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Today anytime, Gay, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
That is Caroline Lovett, eight months pregnant, kicking CNN's ass
all over the place. That is impressive. Indeed, congrats to
baby Nico early on having a fearless mom. I think
she's going to be fantastic mom. Let's go ahead and
dive in here. By the way, we're going to talk.
Speaking of moms, London Roberts, baby mama of Hunter Biden,
is scheduled to join us at two thirty. Joe Biden

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Speaker 1 (32:32):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Joined now
by Miranda Divine of The New York Post. Miranda, I
was just I've been attacked a lot lately for my
awful haircut before we get into the Washington Post collapsing
and you deserving eighteen consecutive Pulitzers for your Hunter Biden stories.
What have you ever had a haircut that was so bad?
You left and you were like, I don't even want

(32:53):
to go out in public for some time. Is there
a worst haircut Miranda Divine story? Do you have one?

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
And I Bunny had one terrible haircut and it was
the one before my wedding.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Oh no, this happened to me too. What happened? So
to tell me about this story. You're in Australia, You're
about to get married. What happened? How did what occurred?

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Look? And the funny thing was that my husband also
go to terrible haircut that day? Sorry, each other. We
just lost. I look, I just decided I wanted to
get it a little bit shorter and do a little
bit of a Jackie O look. And it was just
didn't work.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
It was not a Jackie O look. My wife told me,
I swear this is true. We got married almost twenty
years ago today, I mean August of two thousand and four.
I was in Michigan. I go to the barber. She said,
I don't know about this day before the wedding, like
she sent her mom with me. This is actually very funny.
She sent her mom with me as like a sort
of a security guard to make sure that I didn't

(33:49):
get it off a haircut. So whatever you do, no
bowl cuts, nothing resembling a bowl cut. And I left,
and if you look at our wedding photos, they gave
me a bowl cut. And like she was mad at
her mom, she was mad at me. Probably it's much
worse than this haircut, but it was a really bad.
My life is basically just a series of bad haircuts
because I only pay like twenty dollars for every haircut

(34:10):
I get, and I keep thinking, oh, that's gonna this
will turn out fine. But anyway, Jesse Kelly was just
on ridiculing my haircut, and I have to say, sometimes
you get a video of yourself from angles, it's not
like me just staring into the camera like I usually
do on television. I'm like, I can't believe I go
out in public looking like this. So anyway, that's what
we're dealing with right now. Hunter Biden went out in

(34:30):
public a lot in ways that I wouldn't have anticipated.
In an easy transition here, let's start here. Were you
surprised that the Delaware jury convicted him? Do you think
his defense team was surprised as well that that conviction happened.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah. Look, I think they were incredibly surprised. I think
that they I don't know why, but I think they
thought they had an in the back. I thought it
was like sixty forty forty percent guilty, sixty percent hung jury. Yeah,
but you know, when you set through the evidence, it
was absolutely slammed. Dunk and Abby Lowell really didn't seem

(35:07):
to know what was going on with a lot of
the witnesses, and the witnesses were even Marry Biden, who
was one of the few witnesses that Hunter called or
Hunter's lawyers called. She was sympathetic for the other side,
you know, she it was just and the jurors afterwards
said they felt very sorry for her, and they said
that no father should put his daughter through something like that.

(35:29):
So I think that backside on the jury and what
I guess the reason I was slightly surprised was because
I've just come to this conclusion that, you know, the
Bidens have sort of ringed everything in Delaware, but clearly
those people were not impressed by Jill Biden coming in
every day and sort of projecting the power and intimidation

(35:53):
of the presidency onto the courtroom and all their other
entourage doing the same thing. It obviously just didn't want.
And the prosecutors stating this summing up, sort of gesturing
over to where Joe Biden was sitting with the rest
of the family and their entourage and said that is
not evident. You may notice or recognize some of these
people from the news, but just put that aside. Has

(36:16):
nothing to do with your deliberations.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
We're talking with the Miranda Devine. I was talking earlier
in the show Miranda that I believe over time the
truth wins, and I don't just believe that in the
marketplace of ideas. I also believe it in the marketplace
of commerce, and you have got a lot of really
good and brave bosses at the New York Post, and
the New York Post has been rewarded the company. The
newspaper has done fabulously well over the past several years,

(36:42):
bringing in lots of money, very successful business in ways
that historically hasn't been the truth. I think that's connected
in many ways to people having myself included a stronger
opinion of the New York Post brand based on the
bravery of the reporting surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop. The opposite,
I think has occurred at the Washington Post. Washington Post
lost about half of its audience. Reports are that it's

(37:03):
going to lose seventy seven million dollars this year, and
as a result, Jeff Bezos, I think, kind of looked
up and said, oh my goodness, even I'm super rich,
I don't want to be running a charity project. Brought
in a host of new leadership that's designed to get
the company back to profitability. And the Post employees, the

(37:24):
Washington Post employees that is, have staged an absolute basically rebellion,
and they forced one editor that was coming in to say, hey,
you know what, screw this, I'm going to stay in
I'm going to stay in England. What is important for
our listeners to know about what's going on at the
Washington Post. You wrote a great column about it. It's

(37:45):
posted up at Clay and Buck, but kind of lay
it out for people who might not have been paying attention.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Well, I mean, it's really an insurrection by the newser
and as you say, rebellion, but they love to use
the word insurrection against.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Ultramat that's perfect, yes.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
But I think you know, as you said, the sort
of chickens are coming home to roost with the Washington Post.
They were, you know, front and center on Russia collusion
on the January sixth, all the lies that they told me,
they produced our reporting, called it sketchy over the laptop,

(38:21):
refused to publish anything covered up for Joe Biden. That's
all they do, you know, every single hope that comes along,
whether it's suckers and losers or you know what was
the latest one they've just debunked on Donald Trump. I'm
losing track, but so many of these lies they're quite
happy to promulgate. And what's happened is I think they

(38:44):
got sky high readership during the Trump era because it
was just scandal after scandal and people felt worried and
that they had to keep abreast of the news, and
the Washington Post had this great brand and it was
trustworthy and had credibility. And when people started realizing slowly
but surely that oh, the laptop is real, Oh you

(39:06):
know this hoax, the Russia hoax is a lie, and
all the other things about Donald Trump just weren't true,
and also realized that this sort of sainthood that the
Washington Post had conferred on Joe Biden was really not
deserved and that he's a pretty bad man and has
been a very terrible president. And so I think their

(39:27):
eyes worken up and they realized, oh my gosh, I've
been lied to by the Washington Post. So I'm not
going to I'm going to cancel my subscription. I'm going
to ignore. It lost its credibility. And the people in
the newsroom don't understand that they're the reason that happened,
because I think the inmates took over the asylum and
they're outraged that the guy who's paying the bills wants

(39:49):
to change things, and I just think that is you know,
I've always worked for someone else, and if you want
to be the boss, then you have to put your
own money on the line. And you know that these
people are just so arrogant and they think that they
are the curators of everything that is good in eSchool,
in journalism, and they are the opposite.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I think that's really well said. And ultimately, the profit
motive is sooner or later, if the rich guy gets
tired of losing money, that's going to be the case
no matter where it is rich guy or gal, whoever's
in charge. Because I think Steve Jobs's daughter has several
different left wing publications, and what does it say that

(40:32):
the Post when. To me, this was so fascinating when
the Post leader comes out and says, nobody's reading your articles.
Our overall, our overall audience is down fifty percent and
basically we're on pace to lose in the neighborhood of
one hundred million dollars. If I hear that, Miranda, as
an employee, my reaction is, man, if I like my job,

(40:55):
I better go bust my ass and work harder. That
is destructive to any business in the world, whether you're
selling cars, or selling paper, or selling newspapers and subscriptions.
Their reaction at The Washington Post was, why do we
have white men who are coming in to run the newspaper.
We need to have more diversity like that just and

(41:17):
to me is indicative of how if you let this
woke culture into your business, and it doesn't matter what
the business is, ultimately becomes destructive from the inside.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Absolutely, go work, get broken whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, And I think also there's something maybe more sinister
at foot. There is that sort of dei patina as well,
which is part of the problem with all these newsrooms.
But also the Washington Post has a special place in
DC as sort of an agent of the deep state.
Their sources at deep state people, their friends, their cocktail parties,

(41:54):
you know, it's it's people like Adam Schiff, but it's
also CIA FBI operatives, you know. And I think that
they don't want the scrutiny that will come if you
actually have an editor like this CEO who's been brought
in the ISSU who wanted to bring in. If you

(42:14):
look at their record in the UK and even here,
they are known for kind of objective and without fear
or favor journalism, investigative journalism that absolutely crucifies both sides
of politics. Whatever. You know, if they're corrupt, they will

(42:35):
call it out and they will do the stories. They
won't pull their punches. The Washington Post has a history
of pulling punches for their friends, and so regardless of
their Watergate you know background, I wonder if that was
a Democrat and not Nixon, if they would have been
as aggressive. But certainly these days since the Trump era,
they're pulling their punches on their friends, and so maybe

(42:58):
they're also fright of having kind of rigorous editorship in
there that's demanding that they actually do the stories and
check out. If their FBI source tells them something like
about the steel dot here, well you have to go
and check that out and see if.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
It's real or not.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Really good points and they bring to mind two things
here to close out with you, Miranda. One, if the
Washington Post, for example, was just failing as a news
organization to get everything right, wouldn't there be stories, as
I was talking about earlier on the show, that were
extremely pro Trump that they screwed up that later would
come out. As you point out, if you only have

(43:39):
errors that make Trump look worse. That's pretty strongly indicative
of a bias. And then second part of this, you
mentioned Nixon and Watergate. Obviously, what were in Bernstein the
work they did there, they went after a Republican president.
But even if you look twenty five years later, the
legacy of the post was they went after Bill Clinton
pretty aggressively on the monocle Lewinsky case. They covered. I

(44:01):
was in college at the time in DC. Every day
I'd go read the newspaper they were breaking new stories
on it. If Joe Biden, I really believe this had
a similar style when we know he's much worse in
terms of scandals than what happened with Bill Clinton, and
they just pretend it doesn't exist. Right, the legacy of
Watergate was we go after people in power. That was

(44:21):
what they did to Bill Clinton. Then when they went
to a subscription business, it turned into this is my thesis,
we can't possibly upset the people who pay for our newspaper.
Therefore we're just going to propagandize and attack the right.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
That is really interesting. Yeah, I have theories about subscriptions too,
which I have no evidence for. But I do think
the subscription model does skew you. And when you are
in Washington, DC and your subscribers are going to be
government bureaucracies, that'll be a big chunk of who is

(44:57):
funding you. I think you're going to be in a
city where you know ninety nine percent of people vote Democrat.
And also with the paper that I mean, it's fine,
it leans liberal, it's never endorsed a Republican candidate in
its entire history. Fine, but as you say, they did
hold Clinton to account, so you would expect, like it's fine,

(45:20):
go hard on Trump, and maybe you made some mistakes.
I think they're unforgivable, but you are absolutely spot on
the fact that they've ignored the biggest corruption scandal since Ordigate,
which is about Joe Biden. I don't think because they
particularly loved Joe Biden, but I think because they wanted
Biden to beat Trump, because they really believe, like a

(45:42):
lot of their deep state sources, that Trump is an
existential threat. But he's only an existential threat to the
deep state to their kind of unelected missions, missions that
they promulgate overseas with regime change and new wars and
so on, which you see what's happened on to Biden
when they've had unrestricted power. And that's that's why Trump

(46:07):
is an existential threat, not to the country, not to
the world, the opposite to them.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
No doubt, Miranda divine. She deserves eighteen straight Pulitzers. I
just wish she'd had a better haircut and on her
wedding day, Miranda, Yeah, I needed one for sure. Thank
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Speaker 1 (47:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by London Roberts. She is the mother of Navy Roberts,
who soon will turn six years old on August the
twenty eighth. Hunter Biden is the father seven grandchildren of
Joe Biden and London. I know you've got a book

(47:44):
coming out. We appreciate you coming on with us. I
just kind of want to start with this. First of all,
congratulations on your daughter about to turn six. I've got
what do I got? Sixteen, thirteen and nine right now
in this household, So I.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Know you've got your head.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Definitely have our hands full. And I believe you're Arkansas
fans razorback fans. Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Well? Actually, I mean yeah, the family and stuff is
that I actually played basketball at Arkansas State University.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Ah. This is a big rivals actually in that state, you.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Know, but I still call the hag that's still root
for him, you know, Arkansas native.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I have to are you a Caitlin Clark fan, by
the way, and you still watch women's basketball very much?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
I am a Caitlin clar I think she has absolutely
changed the game of basketball for women especially She's She's
done an amazing job even with the attention she's brought
to it.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Great play, no doubt, no doubt. Fabulous player. All right,
let's dive into this. Have you ever spoken to Joe
Biden yourself? Has your daughter ever spoken to Joe Biden
at all?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
No, we have not, And I'm assuming you've made an
effort you would like to have her be able to
I understand she has a great relationship with your dad.
Most kids out there would like to have a relationship
with their grandparents. I'm assuming you've made an effort to
try and speak with Joe Biden. What has happened when
you've done that?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
You know?

Speaker 5 (49:08):
In my book Out of the Shadows, I talk about
different times, you know, trying to reach out from the beginning,
even trying to reach out to the Biden campaign before
it even went to you know, the fraternity suit, which
I get real deep involved in and the books, but
there's there's never been any response. And you know, since then,
since the attorney suit, we've not done anything, you know,

(49:30):
to reach out other than the legal action that Hunter
and I have had against each other in the litigation there.
But yeah, we've not and you know, Hunter and maybe
it started building a relationship, you know, as of last year.
And so I don't know. I mean, I guess we'll
see where things go. The door's open, you know, But no,

(49:51):
that we've not heard anything.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
When you hear Joe Biden talk about how his family
means everything to him and about being Grandpa Joe. And
Hunter's got a son, Bo who he's got on Air
Force one all the time. That's a grandson that would
be I guess the half brother of your daughter. When
they hanged, I think it was six stockings in the
White House for all their grandkids and they leave your

(50:16):
daughter out? How does that make you feel? As a mom?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Oh? Lord?

Speaker 5 (50:20):
And I tell everyone this this, you know, Out of
the Shadows is a book about a lot of different emotions.
And you know, now I can sit here and talk
about it because it's killed. But throughout the book, there
are times like that where you're hurt because you know,
I say, you know, Hell has no greater fury than
a woman scorned, right, But no, Hell has no greater

(50:41):
fury than a mother whose child is being scorn. Or
Hell hath no fury like a woman being scorn, But
he'll has no greater fury like a mother whose child
is being scorn. Because you know, as a parent, you know,
if you break my heart or if you could do
something to slap in my face, I can easily get
over it. But if you do it to my child,
it hurts a lot different. It's a different kind of heartbreak.

(51:02):
And I discussed that through the book about how how
it's it's disappointing, it's hurtful.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Not only that they have sued to try my understanding.
You correct me if I'm wrong, they have sued to
keep you from having the Biden name connected to your
daughter at all. Is that correct? What's the story there?

Speaker 5 (51:20):
No, Actually, you know I had initially done that. My
attorney did it in the last litigation that Hunter and
I had the child support, and you know, I saw
it was like opening a door thinking that they would like,
you know, opening that door to allow them in so
they didn't think.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
That like I didn't.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Want my daughter to have their last name or because initially,
you know, I could have put the last that last
name on the versatis Kate, but I didn't, and you know,
it was it was taking the wrong way and taking
it as if it was this political warfare. So Hunter
and I when we finally were able to sit down
for the first time, I mean since I was pregnant
last year, then you know, we we sat down and

(52:00):
stuff that you know, maybe will choose when she gets
old enough, what last name she wants.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
We're talking to London, Robert's daughter Navy going to turn
six years old, Hunter Biden as the father. What can
you tell us about Hunter Biden based on your interaction
with him? What's he like?

Speaker 5 (52:18):
You know, there's there's different versions of you know that
I've received, and there's different versions throughout the book as well.
You know, there's the first few chapters there about me
meeting him, getting to know him, build a relationship with him,
and it fills with some wild, crazy story, some fun stories,
some sad stories you know that I endured with him,
and then this just complete deflected abandonment, avoidance, you know,

(52:42):
then it goes from somebody that I thought I could
lean on to somebody that just completely abandons me in
a time when I needed in the most and you know,
obviously cared for him and I was hurt really bad,
especially you know all the emotions you deal with through pregnancy.
You know, it took me through a really dark place.
And I watched Hunter while he was in a dark place,

(53:03):
suffer from you know, his battle with addiction. But it's
the book described so many different versions of Hunters, and
to the point where, like you know, last year, when
I finally sat down with him, I even said, you know,
I've I've hated you. I've been mad at you for
so long because you know, there was a time when
I deeply cared about him, and you you see those

(53:25):
times in the beginning, and then you see that shift
into this person that I didn't know, and you know,
that's that's what I got to I told people are
there's a statement I've made throughout the book where I say,
you know, I'm I know Hunt. I fell in love
with Hunt, but Hunter Biden that was That's a difference. Hunter.
That's not the Hunter I got to know. You know,

(53:46):
when when you scandal after scandal or whatever else he
has going on, you become a burden to him. It's
it's I saw a different side.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
When did you meet Hunter Biden? And when did you
become aware that he was the vice president I think
at the time or the president's son. At what point
did you have that that realization or did that was
that from the first moment you met him? How did
that realization come to be?

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Now, the first conversation we had, which was you know,
over a year before our daughter was conceived. But the
first conversation we had is when I finally put two
and two together and I, you know, I discussed the
first chapter of the book is about that initial meeting.
And you know, I'm meeting him at this place, this
really nice place, and I don't I don't know who

(54:31):
was there. I'm just there with a friend and you know,
I coincident like run into him and he's this good
booking guy that was battling something that I had never
seen before, and he was so I was so intrigued.
And I say that and it sounds so dumb because
everybody's like, what intrigues you about all this drug Carefinlli

(54:53):
on the desk and you know what intrigues you about
his parent box ser brief that he's wearing in the
back room like, but it was his personality. You know,
he would talk, he acted like as if he cared.
He asked me questions, He seemed genuine, he seemed sincere,
And you know, that was the Hunter that I got
to know and love. And then, you know, after I
became a burden to game and I got pregnant, I

(55:15):
saw a different side and I you know, I talk
about that one as well. But initially, when I first
met him, I thought the Hunter was larger than life.
Like this, you know, it doesn't get any better. I'm young,
and this guy just has it going on. He's got
everything going for him. But I talk about this empathy
that I have and I've carried it with me forever.

(55:37):
I get it from my father, which loves to explain.
But he he was suffering, and he was in a
really really dark place. And I watched that and I
cared about him. And as my you know, love for
him grew, so he keeps. So did that place that
he kept the place that darker and darker. And I

(55:57):
you talked about loving or caring for someone who's who's
battling an addiction and it's hard. And so I think
that a lot of people can resonate with this book
by you know, loving and caring for someone that goes
through this and suffers this addiction. But then also all
the women who become a burden wants to get pregnant

(56:19):
because not every woman gets pregnant, and it's a joyous
time and something to celebrate. This is a dark time
for me. I became a burden and then I had
this huge scandal ahead, and so I think it's I
think the book has so many different situations that I
think could relate to so many different people.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
We're talking about London Roberts. How difficult was it for
you to prove that Hunter was the father?

Speaker 5 (56:44):
That was pretty difficult. There's there's a chapter in a book,
I think it's called serving Hunter, and you know, for
the longest he he avoided being served, this attorney to
even thoughing it was fogged, and I believe there was
like some semon and stuff. There was there was political
people getting involved.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Media.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
You know, my my attorney started putting pressure onto the media.
You know, just as if it's not your child, then
take a fraternity test right prove that it's not your child,
Like why are you running from it? It was, it
was difficult, it took. It took a lot of time
and a lot of efforts to get him to get
him served. And then when that was the case, once
he was served, I said, I can't breathe like this
big sigh of relief until the attorney test is taken.

(57:27):
And I want it done the right way. I don't
want any anything tampered with. I want our DNA samples
to go into a machine and either me or my
attorney somebody sit there and watch the entire time to
make sure it's done the right way and nothing is,
you know, because I wanted accountability taken for after you know,
the many times that it had been deflected that this

(57:50):
wasn't his child, when in fact it was.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Has Hunter met your daughter face to face and what's
his relationship with her?

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Like now no, he is out at her face to face.
We sit down and talk last last year through our
child support dispute, and we decided a zoom call every month.
And then there's two things that Hunter claims he cares
the most about, and that's his family and art, and
so he thought, you know, a way to get to
know her through my art. I can show her like

(58:19):
paintings and stuff and maybe try to build a relationship
with her. So it's not just like threw out her
all at once or thrown at her all at once.
And that's absolutely And so it came from one zoom
call a month, so then it's like a zoom call
a week, a few zoom calls a week. You know,
he started building a relationship with her and and maybe
so easy to love like she's she's a little girl

(58:41):
that is just full of life and she's a lot
like him in a lot of ways. And I think
that he sees that as well. But it turned into
more calls over over time, and that's that's where it's
where it stays. It's not it's not been brought to

(59:03):
the level of seeing each other in person yet, but.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I imagine you would like for your daughter to meet
her dad in person at some point, and sooner rather
than later.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Well, and absolutely, you know, I grew up having a
very great relationship with my father and a very influential
He's a very influential person.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
In my life.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
So I want my daughter to have that same thing.
If he can step into her life and be a
positive influence and be a good dad to her. What
mother wouldn't want that?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
All right? Last question, maybe the most important for those
of you out there that are Arkansas State fans. What
is the most point you have ever scored in a
basketball game.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Oh, that's tough.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
It was in high school.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
You had to be dominant in high school if you
ended up a D one player at Arkansas State.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
I want to. It's either it's like thirty eight or
forty two.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Now, my mom would be able to answer that question
as soon as she could tell you that. She could
tell you that the most rebounds I know, I know
my most rebounds scored in a game was scored. My
most rebounds in a game was twenty five at one point.
But yeah points, it was like thirty eight or forty two.
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
That's pretty badass to score thirty eight or forty two
and also have twenty five rebounds at some point in
your high school career. London, we wish the best for
you and your daughter Navy as she gets ready to
turn six years old. Thank you for coming on with
us and telling this story, and we hope she has
a good relationship with Hunter going forward.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Well, thank you. The book is released August twentieth, and
her birthday is August twenty eight, so I don't know
what better birthday gifts I can give my daughter than
her story this year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Thank you so much, London, appreciate you, and you guys
have a good summer.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
You too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
It's London Roberts. Her daughter Navy, about to turn six
years old, still has never met her dad in person,
Hunter Biden. Hopefully that'll happen at some point. Joe Biden
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