July 19, 2024 • 36 mins
More Clay and Buck interviews from the RNC: Erik Prince, American businessman, investor, and former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, TN Rep. Mark Green, Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts, and Gold Star Father, Darin Hoover, who lost his son, Taylor Hoover, in the botched Afghanistan withdrawal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We are here with the founder of Blackwater and the
founder of Unplugged.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Which he'll tell us a bit more about. Eric Prince,
Eric Donor, thanks for being here with us. Nice to
be here, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So we want us first tap into your extensive expertise
in security matters because we all saw saw the video
what happened and the very close call the nation had
with President Trump. There were people calling out right away
that in a future Trump administration, you've got to have
a prominent role. I'll put that piece of.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Bit of side.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I will put you on the spot on ask what
that would be. How do you fix these places? Can
you fix something like the Secret Service? Given what we saw.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It was a massive.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Display of incompetence, and like I made a Twitter post
and I said, it's another example of an overfunded, bloated,
unaccountable bureaucracy that has embarrassed us again. But worse than that,
we literally dodged a bullet. Donald Trump dodged a bullet.
But an imagine if Donald Trump was killed, what would
the effect on America be? I feared that we'd be
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in a civil war. World War One started with an
assassination of a leader and rewrote the map of Europe
and killed tens of millions of people. There is so
much done wrong on Saturday that anyone that's doing the
advance right. Most of the work of executive protection work
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is done ahead of time before the principle arrives.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And anyone that stands at.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The podium and looks around, they can see the obvious
spot it's called the sniper's hotel, where the place to
lay up and take a shot from was clearly unguarded.
Now there's talk about there was a swat team or
something on the ground floor and not covering any of
the roofline.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So systemic fail.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
How did this guy impossible?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How did this guy get a ladder in there?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Then the Secret Service director says, well, we don't have
anybody in the roof because the roof is too steep.
It's like a twelve degree it's nothing. In fact, there's
a video. There's a picture of an FBI agent up
there hosing off the blood splatter of the dead sniper,
hosing it off apparently not too steep for him. And
then you know they were observing this guy that they
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didn't know what he was and nobody made the call.
Hey put Trump in a position of cover until we
figure this out.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So Look, the Secret Service has a lot of great people,
clearly had a lot of people that completely failed to
do their job. And I feel bad for the officers
that have done a great job throughout their career to
have their entire professional reputation smashed by one very big fail.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
How big talk about one very big fail and you
hit on it. Were an inch away from the world
being completely different? How is there no consequences for what
you do? Consequences are a big deal? Isn't that really
the essence of the problem that we have with our
government right now? Whether it's OVID everything else. Nobody pays
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a price for being wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Ever, unaccountable, unaccountable again.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You have a complete botch of Afghanistan, No one pays
the consequences. You have a two hundred and thirty million
dollar pier in Gaza that washes away every few days,
a complete and total fail. You have the Navy that's
lost control of one of the major shipping lanes.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, Egypt. Egypt loses eight hundred million dollars a month
from the Suez not being down.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
The the first mission of the US Navy Power Projection
Sea Control lost it to the hooties, and now they
just about lost the next president of the United States.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Unbelievable, and it was.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It was not.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's not that this twenty year old was that good.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean Estuary, imagine if somebody with real, actual
skills steel went after the president.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I all know what would have happened.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
To lay down with a three thirty eight at one
thousand meters, Yeah, you could probably make a good shooter,
could probably make that shot.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Not at one hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
The Secret Service counter snipers are looking with a five
to fourteen or a five to twenty five power scope,
which means you can tell whether the guy had shaved
that morning or not.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's the level of details.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So for them to not see someone's got a rifle,
someone's pointing the rifle. I've never heard of a police
officer not being able to stop someone that has clear
means and intent to commit murder. And so I'm stunned
that the Secret Service didn't fire first and engage what
was obviously a threat.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're talking to Eric Prince, founder of Blackwater, a founder
of Unplugged Phone. Eric just let's play this out for
a second. Trump wins, God willing hopefully looking good.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But who knows.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Maybe you come in as Secretary of Defense. Let's just say, well,
let's just say you were though. Let's just say theoretically
this happens, you're sec def.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
What do you do? What do you do to fix things?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I'll say the same thing I said last December. Fire
fire every flag officer, Make them submit on day one
a resume that shows what they did for merit and
lethality in the previous year.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
For all the guys that are talking about diversity and
environmental and green No.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
What did MacArthur say in his duty, Honor Country speech?
Ours is the profession of arms. We have one job,
win wars. We have a military that has not won
a war in a long time. It is time to
go back to a focus of the war Department, not
Apartment of Defense, and all the other distractions and noise.
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What happened in Afghanistan over twenty years unacceptable. What happened
in Iraq after twelve years unacceptable. We have the most
expensive military in the world that is not delivering results
to the American people and to our Republican republic that
must fix, that must be repaired.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I'm looking down at my cell phone right now. I
know a lot of people out there. They saw the
AT and T breach. They saw that their text messages
are out their phone numbers are out there. I know
that I speak for a lot of people when I
say I get nervous about the security of the phone.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How much do you think.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
People should be nervous about their cell phones, about their
ability to send text messages, everything else.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You're a military guy.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
They should be very nervous. The surveillance capitalism industry has exploded.
It's when made the top five tech firms in America,
the most valuable companies in the world, larger GDPs than
most countries. And what Congress just passed a month ago
with the FAISA extension. Now it means that any federal agent,
for any reason can go to a private company and say,
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turnover all this data.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's coming from apps.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Where you go, what you buy, who you call, what
you browse, everything, turn it over to the federal government
without a warrant and without even probable cause.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
So it is the.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Most massive expansion of Big brother Snoopy ever we did.
An unplugged phone started three years ago, after the twenty
twenty election, with all the nonsense around canceling certain voices
and throwing conservatives off, we said, we're never going to
change big tech by complaining, We're going to compete and
build an uncancellable phone.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We've done that.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Our phone is our hardware with our operating system based
on an Android kernel. But our operating system prevents the
apps from collecting and harvesting your data, a fundamental difference.
We are with the antithesis of surveillance capitalism. We have
our own secure messenger, our own VPN, obviously our own store.
But our messenger generates a new encryption key every call,
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so yes, you can communicate with your friends and family.
Our messenger is also available on the Google or Apple stores.
But the difference is we don't collect your stuff. Where
if people go to find this unplugged dot com unplugged
dot com eric instead.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Look, you gave, by the way when I said in Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Administration, I don't know, I don't know dot made call man.
You think you think that it's I know, capitalism is good,
but the President's gonna need a lot of hands on deck.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I listen. I have always answered the call when America calls.
I'm not saying I wouldn't. I'm just saying it's unlikely,
but I am always default when Uncle Sam calls is yes,
let me.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Ask you one more. You're an expert on this. It's
three and a half months to the election. Buck and
I both said they're going to try to kill Trump.
That happened, by the mercy of God and angels wings,
he is alive today. How scared or nervous based on
what you saw? Are you that somebody, to Buck's point,
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who's way more sophisticated and way more on top of
things could look at all those security failures and say,
my god, if this twenty year old with virtually no
real skill was able to become that close to killing
the president, should we not be concerned about another attempt
or more than one attempt.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I hope the Secret Service ups their game substantially. People
have said, well, you need to put private guys in.
There be very difficult to integrate fully private detail supporting
the Secret Service, but I think there's probably room. You
have to look at this like a predator, yeah, and
you need predators hunters that hunt men on the Advanced
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Team to look at how they would try to kill
Trump and make their priority list, and you go and
they block every one of those attributes.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's how you protect the President.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Eric Prince, thank you for for your service and the country, sir,
and we appreciate you making the time for us today.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Thank you having.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
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Speaker 5 (11:02):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show Joy Now
by legitimately my congressman. He is Mark Green, also a doctor.
I appreciate you continuing to be a congressman. We're going
to get into that for in a sex boss.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah. I am voting for him.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
That'sure in November, and I am looking forward to that.
But I want to start with this because you do
have the medical background. When you see Joe Biden and
just try to look at him as a doctor would
is there any way that he can make it the
next six months in your mind? And is it in
your opinion reckless for him to suggest that he could
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do four more.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, Clay, and thanks for having
me on this guy shouldn't be in the job right now.
We need a commander in chief who can command, and
he can't. And here's the real interesting thing, and this
is what everybody needs to remember. They didn't get excited
on the Democrat side about this when he was in
Vietnam and crazy stuff. He's been like this for a
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long time, yep. And now that there's a chance they
can lose, oh, now suddenly it's an issue. But very
clearly the debate showed the cognitive decline of the president.
He shouldn't be the commander in chief right now. What
do you think then happens? How does this play out?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Given it's so obvious, and yet there seems to be
no secondary option and if it doesn't emerge before the DNC,
then there is no option for them. Are they really
going to ask the American people? And really, I guess
just Democrats and people who don't pay enough attention to
vote for someone who clearly has cognitive decline, who is
in the stages of dementia of some kind.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Well, certainly the clamor of voices is increasing on their side.
So your question was, are they going to ask the
America are the Democrats going to keep him in.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
As they're going to just pretend like we don't know
what we know.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
I can't answer that question because I don't know where
they are, but I can tell you that the voices
are getting louder and louder. And again, the tragedy is
is it's because they don't want to lose power. I mean,
it had nothing to do with whether or not this
guy was functioning, because he wasn't functioning months ago.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
House is going to be tight. Yeah, you guys have
a small majority right now. We just mentioned Biden and
the possibility of what exactly is going on there. One
possibility is that they start to dial back the money
they spend on Biden because Trump's looking so good and
start trying to think, hey, we want to take back
the House because we only need four or five seats
to do so. How much difference because you've been in
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the majority and the minority would it mean for Trump?
For everybody out there, regardless of what their congressional district is,
how important is it that you guys retain control of
the House.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If Trump's going to be president.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Oh absolutely, We've got to win the Senate and control
the House so we can do debt reconciliation, you know,
do the budget reconciliation stuff and actually make a difference
for this country.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So we have to keep the House.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
I think I think the wins in our sales if
Joe Biden stays. But everybody's got to get out and vote,
and we have to have all three. Where do you
think some of the Republican pickups could come? Which new
colleagues are rather from which new district's new states? Are
you hoping to have some additional conservative backup if you
will up on Capitol Hill. I think North Carolina's going
to help us out a little bit. I think Abigail
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Spanberger's seat is shift. I think that seat is gettable
for us, and the candidate that we've got there in
next Green Beret, I think he can win that. I
was actually in the primary for the Navy Seal interestingly enough,
but this guy's a good guy and he's going to
do a great job, and.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think we can pick up that Seat'd be great.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
When you look at JD. Van's Yeah, coming on now
with Trump, you know, Trump very well. You guys have
had a good relationship over the years.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What does JD. Vance do for this ticket?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Well, I think JD brings vigor and not that Donald
Trump needed that, right. I mean, the guy's got more
fire in his belly than just about anybody. But you know,
JD is a Marine and he's been in the Senate.
The Vice President's main role is to understand how the
Senate works and to get you know, he's the Speaker
pro tem for the Senate.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So I think that brings a lot to the ticket.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
And you know Middle America just shining the light on
middle of America.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, it's the coastal.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Elites that have just tried to dominate this country and
drive it into socialism.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And so you got a guy like JD. Vance.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
This guy will bring the heart of America out, just
like Donald Trump has done. And I think it's just
it's multiplying the effect.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now, this RNC feels very different than what I believe
anybody expected for obvious reasons. There's a tremendous sense of
unity among Republicans and that's come also from some of
the high profile endorsements. Last night, we had Nikki Haley,
we had Ron De Santis all in for Trump, but
there's also this sense that there's destiny at stake here,
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that there's a taking back of the country, but putting
it on the right footing and going forward. What are
you thinking for the Trump agenda right now and how
it's going to be explained tonight while the President takes
the stage.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Well, very clearly.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
The border, I think, at least in Tennessee, it sort
of switches back and forth between the economy and the border.
We're to talk about national security, secure in the border,
bringing some peace and stability to the world, and getting.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
The economy back on track.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
Let's engage our own oil and gas industry and put
the other guys out of business.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Congressman Mark Green, my congressman in the Nashville area, we
talked about the importance of having control of the UH
of the House in general. What's your top priority if
Trump gets elected and we retain Republicans control of the
House in the Senate, what do we need to do?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Yeah, we got a pass HR to the border security bill.
That that's my number one is the Chairman of Homeland right. Uh,
we got some cyber stuff that I think we can
get done between now and the end of the year
the cyber border. But that Southwest border has got to
be secured, and that's going to take a president, Republican president,
Republican House, and the Republican Senate so that TRIFACTA happens.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
We're secure in the southern border. Number one, Congressman Green,
appreciate you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Thanks for having me keep my buddy over here.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
All right, keep a little overwatch on.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Okay, please, you know, get a little while the fact,
keep the work. Seriously, I'm they're having to Congressman, appreciate you.
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
Welcome back to clay Enbuck.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
We're here with Kevin Roberts, the presidents of the Heritage Foundation.
Fine to help save the country, save the future. Let's
starver this, Kevin. The R and C week felt amazing,
tremendous unity everything I sound like Trump, tremendous unity, the
best unity, beautiful unity together. But the Democrats the disarray
right now. It feels like they don't know what very
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been trying to do. But does that throw off the
Republican Party and trying to counter whatever it is they're
trying to do.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Look, it's a huge week, right They did a great
job at the RNC. My one worry, which is not
a comment about Trump or Vance or the RNC. They
did a terrific job just from this policy guys perspective.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But I have a slight.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Worry that we've not We're not playing the three D
chess that the left has been playing. I've been saying
for a year that Biden wouldn't be the nominee. Regardless
of all of that, The point is, I think there
are still some unknowns in this campaign that I trust
the Trump campaign and the RNC to be on top of.
I want our grassroots people listeners to your show to know,
we still have some things we got to figure out
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as a movement about this campaign, and that's one of them.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
If Trump wins, how much more effective do you think
a second Trump presidency will be than the first?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Based on what you see.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
I think you're going to see in a second Trump
term what we saw in the last year or two
of the first Trump term. And you know, whatever didn't
get accomplished in the first two years is not because
of Trump. All of his inclinations were right. It's just
that they had to get the policies in personnel there.
And so I think they're going to hit the ground running.
They've run a flawless campaign. He's got great people around him.
He of course is awesome in terms of his inclinations
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about where the American people are. If the movement can
sustain along with Trump's leadership, the popular will for fixing
the economy, closing the border, making American foreign policy more realistic,
then I think you're going to see one of the
most successful single terms in the history of the presidency.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do you feel like conservative nonprofits generally speaking, are stepping
up more than ever before.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
We've had people on this week talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The parallel economy, basically having companies that don't hate you
because you're conservative. I think these things are inextricable from politics.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Right. If they control all.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The server farms or the payment processors, guess what, You're
not actually ever going to be able to compete in
the battlefield of ideas in it in a fair way
or in a level playing field way. A part of that, though,
was also the left dominance. I think in previous decades
heroage accepted of course of nonprofits. Are you seeing from
your vantage point more and more organizations that are both
cultural and political that are having resonance in twenty twenty
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four in this campaign.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Immenseally, and thank goodness, and look, I'll say this, I'll
just confess to you. I think we've had this conversation
before that I'm a late comer to realizing that. So
when I tell people, thank god, the conservative movement, including Heritage,
and you know, we have a great organization, but we
were all thinking that, you know, we could move at
a little bit slower paced, that America actually wasn't declining
as fast as in fact it was, and the conservative
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movement has been awakened, and including Heritage, and the reason
I am at heritage is to be part of that.
The great thing, this is the most important thing, is
that it includes people across the center right. We've got
people in Silicon Valley who usually politically wouldn't be entertaining
voting for conservatives. We've got people working on the parallel economy.
We all recognize the urgency of the moment, and I
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could not be more optimistic, frankly buck.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
About conservative nonprofits. You know, answering the bell.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Were you surprised by how all of a sudden you
guys became the focal point of a concerted, targeted attack.
Did you see that come Where do you think it
originated from? Who was the entity or the group or
the individual that said, we're going to focus on the
heritage found We're going to come after them with everything.
Because I was kind of stunned the Project twenty twenty five,
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how all of a sudden it went viral instantaneously. A
lot of people, like the Democrat had the exact same
talking points out of nowhere. Now, I don't think that
it's really caught fire like maybe they had hoped. But
were you surprised by how directed that attack was?
Speaker 9 (22:25):
You know, I'm candid so I'll answer it straight up
as a guy. But many members of my family, including
my younger brother, who is very much aligned the listener
to your show as I am. He texted me and said,
I'm really tired of seeing your mom on TV, and
my wife said, I am too. Look the point about
being candid, we knew it was coming, but we didn't
know that it would become the icon.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, because it's the only thing the left can run on.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
And look, the candid part is the tactical mistake that
we made at Heritage was thinking that we didn't need
to spend precious resources answering that we're now doing that
and it looked there's a lot of offense, but we
didn't see the extent of it coming. But we're now
beginning to answer the fire. So this is a pretty
big resource.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Five hundred radio stations, I think, a lot of people,
plus a very robust podcast Clay Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Growing strong, quite strong, No, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know about a dozen cities number one, no big deal,
top fifty cities.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But tell me this, what is Project.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Twenty twenty five Because a lot of people, I think
have only seen it in the context of someone at
MSNBC emotionally destabilized by the hashtag not knowing anything about it,
So what.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Actually is it? And that alone on to let you
know it's great good. It's like the Jdvan they were
so upset about to advances VP.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Youk know, you like, if it makes Joey Reid cry,
We're in favor of absolutely amen.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It's two things. It's a group of policies.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
It's the entire policy set for the conservative movement. And then, secondly,
perhaps even more importantly than that, where the rubber meets
the road with governing is that it's the personnel whom
President Trump and Vice President Vance may choose. I mean,
obviously they're the bosses, right, they get to make these decisions.
But what's upset the left guys is that the conservative
movement has never been this organized, and we're a threat
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to their concentration of power in DC.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's why they're so I think.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Usually there's a perception that the Democrats are the ones,
and maybe this is just because they're the other. But
they march with machine like precision, and you know, they
have all these nefarious ways, and this time around they
have created a situation that seems like the greatest political
own goal I've ever seen with the law fair specifically,
I mean that has blown back and blown up in
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their face. Is way beyond that anybody could have anticipated.
And the Republican Party, I know, at every convention everyone says, oh,
we're so unified this Republican Party right now, I've never
seen I said this right after nine to eleven. Sure,
two thousand and four, No, I wouldn't say it was
as unified it as as it is right now.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
No, it isn't. You know.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
The only other Republican convention I've attended was in nineteen
ninety two in Houston. I was eighteen, I was going
to college. I was there as a supporter of Pat Buchanan,
So just by definition of being there as a Buchanan guy.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
When George HW.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Bush, whom I admire personally but not politically, it was
not unified.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
This is the key point.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
The left is apoplectic because Trump remains popular, his vice
presidential pick is terrific, a great friend of mine and heritage.
But most importantly, this is the thing guys, as y'all
talk about every day, America knows that we've got one
more chance to restore the American dream. What the radical
left is saying is the exact opposite, and they're ready
to be part of this change, which is why when
they go to Project twenty twenty five and learn about it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They say, what's in here to hate? This is what
I believe.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
All of this is super important. But the Texas I
know in the SEC. You just threw up the hook
of a sign for people who don't know. You're a
diehard college football fan, diehard Texas fan. What do you
expect year one of the SEC for Texas?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
How much are you looking forward to it?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Look, I'm really looking forward to it. I bleed burn orange.
My wife says, it's my only addiction, and it's very serious.
Every sport, including volleyball, baseball, softball doesn't matter, but to football.
I think we're going to lose one game this year.
I think it's going to be in the SEC title
game to Georgia, and I think we're going to go
into the playoffs and we're going to be the national champions.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Hook them. Hey, that would be a hell of a
season for you.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
If Trump and jd Vance get a nice win and
then Texas comes out and wins a national championship.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Heck, I might retire and go fly fish. I don't
blame you. Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation, great
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Speaker 5 (27:23):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us Friday. We all saw
President Trump speak yesterday, but a big part of this
entire week has been honoring the service of so many
people who gave the ultimate sacrifice, and they've had gold
Star parents family speaking all week long. We are joined
(27:45):
now by Darren Hoover. Your son, Taylor Hoover served this country.
Tell us about your son.
Speaker 10 (27:54):
I'd love to anytime I can talk about it. So Taylor,
from a very young age, uh, wanted to be a marine.
There was no getting past that, no nothing. So he
played football from the age of eight until his senior.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
In high school. So he played left guard and defensive ent.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
How much fun did you have watching him play?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Oh my gosh, just a blast. It was a blast.
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Kind of living vicariously through my kid, you know. But
he was always the anti bully. He was bigger than
bigger than most, and that's why he relegated to the
to the line nine to eleven happened. He was eleven
years old and he came to his mother and I.
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We kept him home from school that day and he
came to us and said, I'm going to join Marine Corps.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
We're like, well, okay, you're eleven years old. We got
a little bit of time, you know, thinking, thinking things
might change.
Speaker 10 (28:56):
But his junior senior year, possibly even sophomore, the Marines
came to his high school. Of course, they're addressed to
the nines, you know how it is, and they get
in there and he makes the very big decision that
that's exactly what he's going to do. So when he
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got out or when he graduated, he still wanted to
go in.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
And we asked him to give us.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
A year to decide, you know, if this is what
you really want after getting out of high school.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
If that's the case, then we'll be behind you.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
One hundred and ten percent. And so that's what he did.
Very loving kid. He cares deeply, deeply about.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
His mom and his two sisters.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
They were first and foremost in his life and the
extended family as well, so.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And then tell us about Afghanistan and what happened.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Well, this was the.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
Recent thing with the abbey gate. This was his third
deployment to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The previous two he.
Speaker 10 (30:08):
Was out front pretty much with the mind sweeper, kind
of got taken under his sergeant's wing, and but this
last one he was a staff sergeant, so he was
over many more men and he was responsible for them.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
When he first they were out.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
In the Gulf of I can't remember which golf they
were in, but they were on a ship going back
and forth or moose there.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He goes straight out her moose.
Speaker 10 (30:40):
And then the call came and I just get this
cryptic text, Hey Dad, I'm going someplace. I can't tell
you where it's at, but Nola that I'm with a
bunch of kick ass guys and you'll watch the news
and you'll figure it out. He kept paying close contact
every day with his mom, and he was out on
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the out on the line. He'd been ordered a couple
of times by his lieutenant. Look, you're gonna come back
here and you're going to get some sleep. You have
to get some sleep. No, sir, I can't why because
these these ladies and these children out here remind me
of my mom and my sisters.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
I can't sleep. And that's how it went.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
He grabbed a couple of winks here and there, and
then the rest of the time he was out, he
was out at that gate making sure his guys had
everything that they needed.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
How did you become aware of what happened to him?
Speaker 10 (31:42):
So his mom and I had been talking back and
forth on the phone. She knew she just felt that
mother's intuition and I'm trying to deny it.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
And I think we got the knock.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
At our our separate door states away at about the
same time.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Luckily I was not home. I had been driving to
my job.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
But my dad, being the man that he is, never cries,
but he gets me on the phone and he's crying
and said, there's two marines standing at our door. At
that point, I lost it. I knew, I knew exactly
what it was as soon as he said it. You know, Kelly,
Kelly got the same thing at her door, and she
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just she lost it as well.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I mean, as you can well imagine.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
How old was he.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
He was thirty one when he was killed. So the
senior one senior one out of the our group at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
We know that your son, Staff Sergeant Taylor Hoover made
the ultimate sacrifice for his country. And there's nothing that
can ever be done to fully express the gratitude the
country has to you to your family and to takeailor
for what he did that day. You give a very
powerful speech this week at the RNC. I just wanted
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to give you an opportunity, sir, as somebody who comes
you know, you're the father of a of a marine
who gave his life for his country. You're a gold
Star family. What do you want your fellow Americans to
know right now about this time in American American history
and what the fight ahead looks like?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
So and thank you for that.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
Choices, how consequences and moving forward if people don't get
out and vote, And obviously we're here at the RNC
to throw our support behind President Trump. The military has
been demolished, it is getting worse and worse, and at
some point we need to start taking this back and
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realizing that because of who our leadership is determines how
we are as a country to be free. And you
know one thing I just I want to throw in there.
Our kids were heroes, as all veterans are. And those
that gave their that ultimate sacrifice, who weren't able to
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come home or who came home with less than what
they went over, they're with. They're all heroes. This country
is built on heroes.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Do you believe that the Biden administration that the incompetence
led directly to what happened that day?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Absolutely one percent? Without Phil.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
You know, you got Secretary of Austin, Secretary of Blincoln,
General Millie, General Mackenzie Sitcom. All of them are to
blame because none of them set their stars on the
table and said we cannot do it this way. Absolutely
without Phil, it's it's on their shoulders.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, we really greatly appreciate you, first off, coming here
and talking to us about this, but most importantly, we
really appreciate what your son and your family did for
this country and you sharing the truth with all of
us about how you see what's going on and what
the fight ahead looks like.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So thank you very much, sir. I appreciate it, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It has been a heck of a week everybody, and honestly,
the RNC, it was amazing. It was exhausting, It was
phenomenally successful. It was chaos, it was order, it was
so much all brought together. But it really was a
huge success and it was great to be there with play.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
We really enjoyed ourselves.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And the whole week honestly, just shining down on all
of us, if you will, was the notion, the inescapable
reality that it was a miracle that the country was enjoying,
a miracle that Donald Trump was okay, So enjoy this
weekend where the good guys are still winning in the country.
It's still in one piece, and we will talk to
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you all on Monday.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Shields High
Welcome back everybody to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We are here with the founder of Blackwater and the
founder of Unplugged.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Which he'll tell us a bit more about. Eric Prince,
Eric Donor, thanks for being here with us. Nice to
be here, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So we want us first tap into your extensive expertise
in security matters because we all saw saw the video
what happened and the very close call the nation had
with President Trump. There were people calling out right away
that in a future Trump administration, you've got to have
a prominent role. I'll put that piece of.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Bit of side.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I will put you on the spot on ask what
that would be. How do you fix these places? Can
you fix something like the Secret Service? Given what we saw.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It was a massive.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Display of incompetence, and like I made a Twitter post
and I said, it's another example of an overfunded, bloated,
unaccountable bureaucracy that has embarrassed us again. But worse than that,
we literally dodged a bullet. Donald Trump dodged a bullet.
But an imagine if Donald Trump was killed, what would
the effect on America be? I feared that we'd be
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in a civil war. World War One started with an
assassination of a leader and rewrote the map of Europe
and killed tens of millions of people. There is so
much done wrong on Saturday that anyone that's doing the
advance right. Most of the work of executive protection work
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is done ahead of time before the principle arrives.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And anyone that stands at.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The podium and looks around, they can see the obvious
spot it's called the sniper's hotel, where the place to
lay up and take a shot from was clearly unguarded.
Now there's talk about there was a swat team or
something on the ground floor and not covering any of
the roofline.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So systemic fail.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
How did this guy impossible?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How did this guy get a ladder in there?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Then the Secret Service director says, well, we don't have
anybody in the roof because the roof is too steep.
It's like a twelve degree it's nothing. In fact, there's
a video. There's a picture of an FBI agent up
there hosing off the blood splatter of the dead sniper,
hosing it off apparently not too steep for him. And
then you know they were observing this guy that they
(02:15):
didn't know what he was and nobody made the call.
Hey put Trump in a position of cover until we
figure this out.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
So Look, the Secret Service has a lot of great people,
clearly had a lot of people that completely failed to
do their job. And I feel bad for the officers
that have done a great job throughout their career to
have their entire professional reputation smashed by one very big fail.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
How big talk about one very big fail and you
hit on it. Were an inch away from the world
being completely different? How is there no consequences for what
you do? Consequences are a big deal? Isn't that really
the essence of the problem that we have with our
government right now? Whether it's OVID everything else. Nobody pays
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a price for being wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Ever, unaccountable, unaccountable again.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
You have a complete botch of Afghanistan, No one pays
the consequences. You have a two hundred and thirty million
dollar pier in Gaza that washes away every few days,
a complete and total fail. You have the Navy that's
lost control of one of the major shipping lanes.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, Egypt. Egypt loses eight hundred million dollars a month
from the Suez not being down.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
The the first mission of the US Navy Power Projection
Sea Control lost it to the hooties, and now they
just about lost the next president of the United States.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Unbelievable, and it was.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It was not.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's not that this twenty year old was that good.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean Estuary, imagine if somebody with real, actual
skills steel went after the president.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I all know what would have happened.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
To lay down with a three thirty eight at one
thousand meters, Yeah, you could probably make a good shooter,
could probably make that shot.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Not at one hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
The Secret Service counter snipers are looking with a five
to fourteen or a five to twenty five power scope,
which means you can tell whether the guy had shaved
that morning or not.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's the level of details.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
So for them to not see someone's got a rifle,
someone's pointing the rifle. I've never heard of a police
officer not being able to stop someone that has clear
means and intent to commit murder. And so I'm stunned
that the Secret Service didn't fire first and engage what
was obviously a threat.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're talking to Eric Prince, founder of Blackwater, a founder
of Unplugged Phone. Eric just let's play this out for
a second. Trump wins, God willing hopefully looking good.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But who knows.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Maybe you come in as Secretary of Defense. Let's just say, well,
let's just say you were though. Let's just say theoretically
this happens, you're sec def.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
What do you do? What do you do to fix things?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I'll say the same thing I said last December. Fire
fire every flag officer, Make them submit on day one
a resume that shows what they did for merit and
lethality in the previous year.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
For all the guys that are talking about diversity and
environmental and green No.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
What did MacArthur say in his duty, Honor Country speech?
Ours is the profession of arms. We have one job,
win wars. We have a military that has not won
a war in a long time. It is time to
go back to a focus of the war Department, not
Apartment of Defense, and all the other distractions and noise.
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What happened in Afghanistan over twenty years unacceptable. What happened
in Iraq after twelve years unacceptable. We have the most
expensive military in the world that is not delivering results
to the American people and to our Republican republic that
must fix, that must be repaired.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I'm looking down at my cell phone right now. I
know a lot of people out there. They saw the
AT and T breach. They saw that their text messages
are out their phone numbers are out there. I know
that I speak for a lot of people when I
say I get nervous about the security of the phone.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How much do you think.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
People should be nervous about their cell phones, about their
ability to send text messages, everything else.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You're a military guy.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
They should be very nervous. The surveillance capitalism industry has exploded.
It's when made the top five tech firms in America,
the most valuable companies in the world, larger GDPs than
most countries. And what Congress just passed a month ago
with the FAISA extension. Now it means that any federal agent,
for any reason can go to a private company and say,
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turnover all this data.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's coming from apps.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Where you go, what you buy, who you call, what
you browse, everything, turn it over to the federal government
without a warrant and without even probable cause.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
So it is the.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Most massive expansion of Big brother Snoopy ever we did.
An unplugged phone started three years ago, after the twenty
twenty election, with all the nonsense around canceling certain voices
and throwing conservatives off, we said, we're never going to
change big tech by complaining, We're going to compete and
build an uncancellable phone.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We've done that.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Our phone is our hardware with our operating system based
on an Android kernel. But our operating system prevents the
apps from collecting and harvesting your data, a fundamental difference.
We are with the antithesis of surveillance capitalism. We have
our own secure messenger, our own VPN, obviously our own store.
But our messenger generates a new encryption key every call,
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so yes, you can communicate with your friends and family.
Our messenger is also available on the Google or Apple stores.
But the difference is we don't collect your stuff. Where
if people go to find this unplugged dot com unplugged
dot com eric instead.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Look, you gave, by the way when I said in Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Administration, I don't know, I don't know dot made call man.
You think you think that it's I know, capitalism is good,
but the President's gonna need a lot of hands on deck.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
I listen. I have always answered the call when America calls.
I'm not saying I wouldn't. I'm just saying it's unlikely,
but I am always default when Uncle Sam calls is yes,
let me.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Ask you one more. You're an expert on this. It's
three and a half months to the election. Buck and
I both said they're going to try to kill Trump.
That happened, by the mercy of God and angels wings,
he is alive today. How scared or nervous based on
what you saw? Are you that somebody, to Buck's point,
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who's way more sophisticated and way more on top of
things could look at all those security failures and say,
my god, if this twenty year old with virtually no
real skill was able to become that close to killing
the president, should we not be concerned about another attempt
or more than one attempt.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I hope the Secret Service ups their game substantially. People
have said, well, you need to put private guys in.
There be very difficult to integrate fully private detail supporting
the Secret Service, but I think there's probably room. You
have to look at this like a predator, yeah, and
you need predators hunters that hunt men on the Advanced
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Team to look at how they would try to kill
Trump and make their priority list, and you go and
they block every one of those attributes.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's how you protect the President.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Eric Prince, thank you for for your service and the country, sir,
and we appreciate you making the time for us today.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Thank you having.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show Joy Now
by legitimately my congressman. He is Mark Green, also a doctor.
I appreciate you continuing to be a congressman. We're going
to get into that for in a sex boss.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah. I am voting for him.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
That'sure in November, and I am looking forward to that.
But I want to start with this because you do
have the medical background. When you see Joe Biden and
just try to look at him as a doctor would
is there any way that he can make it the
next six months in your mind? And is it in
your opinion reckless for him to suggest that he could
(11:40):
do four more.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, Clay, and thanks for having
me on this guy shouldn't be in the job right now.
We need a commander in chief who can command, and
he can't. And here's the real interesting thing, and this
is what everybody needs to remember. They didn't get excited
on the Democrat side about this when he was in
Vietnam and crazy stuff. He's been like this for a
(12:02):
long time, yep. And now that there's a chance they
can lose, oh, now suddenly it's an issue. But very
clearly the debate showed the cognitive decline of the president.
He shouldn't be the commander in chief right now. What
do you think then happens? How does this play out?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Given it's so obvious, and yet there seems to be
no secondary option and if it doesn't emerge before the DNC,
then there is no option for them. Are they really
going to ask the American people? And really, I guess
just Democrats and people who don't pay enough attention to
vote for someone who clearly has cognitive decline, who is
in the stages of dementia of some kind.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Well, certainly the clamor of voices is increasing on their side.
So your question was, are they going to ask the
America are the Democrats going to keep him in.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
As they're going to just pretend like we don't know
what we know.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
I can't answer that question because I don't know where
they are, but I can tell you that the voices
are getting louder and louder. And again, the tragedy is
is it's because they don't want to lose power. I mean,
it had nothing to do with whether or not this
guy was functioning, because he wasn't functioning months ago.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
House is going to be tight. Yeah, you guys have
a small majority right now. We just mentioned Biden and
the possibility of what exactly is going on there. One
possibility is that they start to dial back the money
they spend on Biden because Trump's looking so good and
start trying to think, hey, we want to take back
the House because we only need four or five seats
to do so. How much difference because you've been in
(13:28):
the majority and the minority would it mean for Trump?
For everybody out there, regardless of what their congressional district is,
how important is it that you guys retain control of
the House.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If Trump's going to be president.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Oh absolutely, We've got to win the Senate and control
the House so we can do debt reconciliation, you know,
do the budget reconciliation stuff and actually make a difference
for this country.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So we have to keep the House.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
I think I think the wins in our sales if
Joe Biden stays. But everybody's got to get out and vote,
and we have to have all three. Where do you
think some of the Republican pickups could come? Which new
colleagues are rather from which new district's new states? Are
you hoping to have some additional conservative backup if you
will up on Capitol Hill. I think North Carolina's going
to help us out a little bit. I think Abigail
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Spanberger's seat is shift. I think that seat is gettable
for us, and the candidate that we've got there in
next Green Beret, I think he can win that. I
was actually in the primary for the Navy Seal interestingly enough,
but this guy's a good guy and he's going to
do a great job, and.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think we can pick up that Seat'd be great.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
When you look at JD. Van's Yeah, coming on now
with Trump, you know, Trump very well. You guys have
had a good relationship over the years.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What does JD. Vance do for this ticket?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Well, I think JD brings vigor and not that Donald
Trump needed that, right. I mean, the guy's got more
fire in his belly than just about anybody. But you know,
JD is a Marine and he's been in the Senate.
The Vice President's main role is to understand how the
Senate works and to get you know, he's the Speaker
pro tem for the Senate.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So I think that brings a lot to the ticket.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
And you know Middle America just shining the light on
middle of America.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, it's the coastal.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Elites that have just tried to dominate this country and
drive it into socialism.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And so you got a guy like JD. Vance.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
This guy will bring the heart of America out, just
like Donald Trump has done. And I think it's just
it's multiplying the effect.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now, this RNC feels very different than what I believe
anybody expected for obvious reasons. There's a tremendous sense of
unity among Republicans and that's come also from some of
the high profile endorsements. Last night, we had Nikki Haley,
we had Ron De Santis all in for Trump, but
there's also this sense that there's destiny at stake here,
(15:38):
that there's a taking back of the country, but putting
it on the right footing and going forward. What are
you thinking for the Trump agenda right now and how
it's going to be explained tonight while the President takes
the stage.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Well, very clearly.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
The border, I think, at least in Tennessee, it sort
of switches back and forth between the economy and the border.
We're to talk about national security, secure in the border,
bringing some peace and stability to the world, and getting.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
The economy back on track.
Speaker 8 (16:05):
Let's engage our own oil and gas industry and put
the other guys out of business.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Congressman Mark Green, my congressman in the Nashville area, we
talked about the importance of having control of the UH
of the House in general. What's your top priority if
Trump gets elected and we retain Republicans control of the
House in the Senate, what do we need to do?
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Yeah, we got a pass HR to the border security bill.
That that's my number one is the Chairman of Homeland right. Uh,
we got some cyber stuff that I think we can
get done between now and the end of the year
the cyber border. But that Southwest border has got to
be secured, and that's going to take a president, Republican president,
Republican House, and the Republican Senate so that TRIFACTA happens.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
We're secure in the southern border. Number one, Congressman Green,
appreciate you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Thanks for having me keep my buddy over here.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
All right, keep a little overwatch on.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Okay, please, you know, get a little while the fact,
keep the work. Seriously, I'm they're having to Congressman, appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
Welcome back to clay Enbuck.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
We're here with Kevin Roberts, the presidents of the Heritage Foundation.
Fine to help save the country, save the future. Let's
starver this, Kevin. The R and C week felt amazing,
tremendous unity everything I sound like Trump, tremendous unity, the
best unity, beautiful unity together. But the Democrats the disarray
right now. It feels like they don't know what very
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been trying to do. But does that throw off the
Republican Party and trying to counter whatever it is they're
trying to do.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Look, it's a huge week, right They did a great
job at the RNC. My one worry, which is not
a comment about Trump or Vance or the RNC. They
did a terrific job just from this policy guys perspective.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But I have a slight.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
Worry that we've not We're not playing the three D
chess that the left has been playing. I've been saying
for a year that Biden wouldn't be the nominee. Regardless
of all of that, The point is, I think there
are still some unknowns in this campaign that I trust
the Trump campaign and the RNC to be on top of.
I want our grassroots people listeners to your show to know,
we still have some things we got to figure out
(19:39):
as a movement about this campaign, and that's one of them.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
If Trump wins, how much more effective do you think
a second Trump presidency will be than the first?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Based on what you see.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
I think you're going to see in a second Trump
term what we saw in the last year or two
of the first Trump term. And you know, whatever didn't
get accomplished in the first two years is not because
of Trump. All of his inclinations were right. It's just
that they had to get the policies in personnel there.
And so I think they're going to hit the ground running.
They've run a flawless campaign. He's got great people around him.
He of course is awesome in terms of his inclinations
(20:07):
about where the American people are. If the movement can
sustain along with Trump's leadership, the popular will for fixing
the economy, closing the border, making American foreign policy more realistic,
then I think you're going to see one of the
most successful single terms in the history of the presidency.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do you feel like conservative nonprofits generally speaking, are stepping
up more than ever before.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
We've had people on this week talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The parallel economy, basically having companies that don't hate you
because you're conservative. I think these things are inextricable from politics.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Right. If they control all.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The server farms or the payment processors, guess what, You're
not actually ever going to be able to compete in
the battlefield of ideas in it in a fair way
or in a level playing field way. A part of that, though,
was also the left dominance. I think in previous decades
heroage accepted of course of nonprofits. Are you seeing from
your vantage point more and more organizations that are both
cultural and political that are having resonance in twenty twenty
(21:02):
four in this campaign.
Speaker 9 (21:03):
Immenseally, and thank goodness, and look, I'll say this, I'll
just confess to you. I think we've had this conversation
before that I'm a late comer to realizing that. So
when I tell people, thank god, the conservative movement, including Heritage,
and you know, we have a great organization, but we
were all thinking that, you know, we could move at
a little bit slower paced, that America actually wasn't declining
as fast as in fact it was, and the conservative
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movement has been awakened, and including Heritage, and the reason
I am at heritage is to be part of that.
The great thing, this is the most important thing, is
that it includes people across the center right. We've got
people in Silicon Valley who usually politically wouldn't be entertaining
voting for conservatives. We've got people working on the parallel economy.
We all recognize the urgency of the moment, and I
(21:46):
could not be more optimistic, frankly buck.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
About conservative nonprofits. You know, answering the bell.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Were you surprised by how all of a sudden you
guys became the focal point of a concerted, targeted attack.
Did you see that come Where do you think it
originated from? Who was the entity or the group or
the individual that said, we're going to focus on the
heritage found We're going to come after them with everything.
Because I was kind of stunned the Project twenty twenty five,
(22:12):
how all of a sudden it went viral instantaneously. A
lot of people, like the Democrat had the exact same
talking points out of nowhere. Now, I don't think that
it's really caught fire like maybe they had hoped. But
were you surprised by how directed that attack was?
Speaker 9 (22:25):
You know, I'm candid so I'll answer it straight up
as a guy. But many members of my family, including
my younger brother, who is very much aligned the listener
to your show as I am. He texted me and said,
I'm really tired of seeing your mom on TV, and
my wife said, I am too. Look the point about
being candid, we knew it was coming, but we didn't
know that it would become the icon.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, because it's the only thing the left can run on.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
And look, the candid part is the tactical mistake that
we made at Heritage was thinking that we didn't need
to spend precious resources answering that we're now doing that
and it looked there's a lot of offense, but we
didn't see the extent of it coming. But we're now
beginning to answer the fire. So this is a pretty
big resource.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Five hundred radio stations, I think, a lot of people,
plus a very robust podcast Clay Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Growing strong, quite strong, No, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know about a dozen cities number one, no big deal,
top fifty cities.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But tell me this, what is Project.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Twenty twenty five Because a lot of people, I think
have only seen it in the context of someone at
MSNBC emotionally destabilized by the hashtag not knowing anything about it,
So what.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Actually is it? And that alone on to let you
know it's great good. It's like the Jdvan they were
so upset about to advances VP.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Youk know, you like, if it makes Joey Reid cry,
We're in favor of absolutely amen.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
It's two things. It's a group of policies.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
It's the entire policy set for the conservative movement. And then, secondly,
perhaps even more importantly than that, where the rubber meets
the road with governing is that it's the personnel whom
President Trump and Vice President Vance may choose. I mean,
obviously they're the bosses, right, they get to make these decisions.
But what's upset the left guys is that the conservative
movement has never been this organized, and we're a threat
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to their concentration of power in DC.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's why they're so I think.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Usually there's a perception that the Democrats are the ones,
and maybe this is just because they're the other. But
they march with machine like precision, and you know, they
have all these nefarious ways, and this time around they
have created a situation that seems like the greatest political
own goal I've ever seen with the law fair specifically,
I mean that has blown back and blown up in
(24:21):
their face. Is way beyond that anybody could have anticipated.
And the Republican Party, I know, at every convention everyone says, oh,
we're so unified this Republican Party right now, I've never
seen I said this right after nine to eleven. Sure,
two thousand and four, No, I wouldn't say it was
as unified it as as it is right now.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
No, it isn't. You know.
Speaker 9 (24:36):
The only other Republican convention I've attended was in nineteen
ninety two in Houston. I was eighteen, I was going
to college. I was there as a supporter of Pat Buchanan,
So just by definition of being there as a Buchanan guy.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
When George HW.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Bush, whom I admire personally but not politically, it was
not unified.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
This is the key point.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
The left is apoplectic because Trump remains popular, his vice
presidential pick is terrific, a great friend of mine and heritage.
But most importantly, this is the thing guys, as y'all
talk about every day, America knows that we've got one
more chance to restore the American dream. What the radical
left is saying is the exact opposite, and they're ready
to be part of this change, which is why when
they go to Project twenty twenty five and learn about it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They say, what's in here to hate? This is what
I believe.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
All of this is super important. But the Texas I
know in the SEC. You just threw up the hook
of a sign for people who don't know. You're a
diehard college football fan, diehard Texas fan. What do you
expect year one of the SEC for Texas?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
How much are you looking forward to it?
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Look, I'm really looking forward to it. I bleed burn orange.
My wife says, it's my only addiction, and it's very serious.
Every sport, including volleyball, baseball, softball doesn't matter, but to football.
I think we're going to lose one game this year.
I think it's going to be in the SEC title
game to Georgia, and I think we're going to go
into the playoffs and we're going to be the national champions.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Hook them. Hey, that would be a hell of a
season for you.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
If Trump and jd Vance get a nice win and
then Texas comes out and wins a national championship.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Heck, I might retire and go fly fish. I don't
blame you. Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation, great
talking to with us.
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Speaker 5 (27:23):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us Friday. We all saw
President Trump speak yesterday, but a big part of this
entire week has been honoring the service of so many
people who gave the ultimate sacrifice, and they've had gold
Star parents family speaking all week long. We are joined
(27:45):
now by Darren Hoover. Your son, Taylor Hoover served this country.
Tell us about your son.
Speaker 10 (27:54):
I'd love to anytime I can talk about it. So Taylor,
from a very young age, uh, wanted to be a marine.
There was no getting past that, no nothing. So he
played football from the age of eight until his senior.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
In high school. So he played left guard and defensive ent.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
How much fun did you have watching him play?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Oh my gosh, just a blast. It was a blast.
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Kind of living vicariously through my kid, you know. But
he was always the anti bully. He was bigger than
bigger than most, and that's why he relegated to the
to the line nine to eleven happened. He was eleven
years old and he came to his mother and I.
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We kept him home from school that day and he
came to us and said, I'm going to join Marine Corps.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
We're like, well, okay, you're eleven years old. We got
a little bit of time, you know, thinking, thinking things
might change.
Speaker 10 (28:56):
But his junior senior year, possibly even sophomore, the Marines
came to his high school. Of course, they're addressed to
the nines, you know how it is, and they get
in there and he makes the very big decision that
that's exactly what he's going to do. So when he
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got out or when he graduated, he still wanted to
go in.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
And we asked him to give us.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
A year to decide, you know, if this is what
you really want after getting out of high school.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
If that's the case, then we'll be behind you.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
One hundred and ten percent. And so that's what he did.
Very loving kid. He cares deeply, deeply about.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
His mom and his two sisters.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
They were first and foremost in his life and the
extended family as well, so.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And then tell us about Afghanistan and what happened.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Well, this was the.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
Recent thing with the abbey gate. This was his third
deployment to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
The previous two he.
Speaker 10 (30:08):
Was out front pretty much with the mind sweeper, kind
of got taken under his sergeant's wing, and but this
last one he was a staff sergeant, so he was
over many more men and he was responsible for them.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
When he first they were out.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
In the Gulf of I can't remember which golf they
were in, but they were on a ship going back
and forth or moose there.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He goes straight out her moose.
Speaker 10 (30:40):
And then the call came and I just get this
cryptic text, Hey Dad, I'm going someplace. I can't tell
you where it's at, but Nola that I'm with a
bunch of kick ass guys and you'll watch the news
and you'll figure it out. He kept paying close contact
every day with his mom, and he was out on
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the out on the line. He'd been ordered a couple
of times by his lieutenant. Look, you're gonna come back
here and you're going to get some sleep. You have
to get some sleep. No, sir, I can't why because
these these ladies and these children out here remind me
of my mom and my sisters.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
I can't sleep. And that's how it went.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
He grabbed a couple of winks here and there, and
then the rest of the time he was out, he
was out at that gate making sure his guys had
everything that they needed.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
How did you become aware of what happened to him?
Speaker 10 (31:42):
So his mom and I had been talking back and
forth on the phone. She knew she just felt that
mother's intuition and I'm trying to deny it.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
And I think we got the knock.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
At our our separate door states away at about the
same time.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Luckily I was not home. I had been driving to
my job.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
But my dad, being the man that he is, never cries,
but he gets me on the phone and he's crying
and said, there's two marines standing at our door. At
that point, I lost it. I knew, I knew exactly
what it was as soon as he said it. You know, Kelly,
Kelly got the same thing at her door, and she
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just she lost it as well.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I mean, as you can well imagine.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
How old was he.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
He was thirty one when he was killed. So the
senior one senior one out of the our group at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
We know that your son, Staff Sergeant Taylor Hoover made
the ultimate sacrifice for his country. And there's nothing that
can ever be done to fully express the gratitude the
country has to you to your family and to takeailor
for what he did that day. You give a very
powerful speech this week at the RNC. I just wanted
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to give you an opportunity, sir, as somebody who comes
you know, you're the father of a of a marine
who gave his life for his country. You're a gold
Star family. What do you want your fellow Americans to
know right now about this time in American American history
and what the fight ahead looks like?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
So and thank you for that.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
Choices, how consequences and moving forward if people don't get
out and vote, And obviously we're here at the RNC
to throw our support behind President Trump. The military has
been demolished, it is getting worse and worse, and at
some point we need to start taking this back and
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realizing that because of who our leadership is determines how
we are as a country to be free. And you
know one thing I just I want to throw in there.
Our kids were heroes, as all veterans are. And those
that gave their that ultimate sacrifice, who weren't able to
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come home or who came home with less than what
they went over, they're with. They're all heroes. This country
is built on heroes.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Do you believe that the Biden administration that the incompetence
led directly to what happened that day?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Absolutely one percent? Without Phil.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
You know, you got Secretary of Austin, Secretary of Blincoln,
General Millie, General Mackenzie Sitcom. All of them are to
blame because none of them set their stars on the
table and said we cannot do it this way. Absolutely
without Phil, it's it's on their shoulders.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, we really greatly appreciate you, first off, coming here
and talking to us about this, but most importantly, we
really appreciate what your son and your family did for
this country and you sharing the truth with all of
us about how you see what's going on and what
the fight ahead looks like.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So thank you very much, sir. I appreciate it, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It has been a heck of a week everybody, and honestly,
the RNC, it was amazing. It was exhausting, It was
phenomenally successful. It was chaos, it was order, it was
so much all brought together. But it really was a
huge success and it was great to be there with play.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
We really enjoyed ourselves.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And the whole week honestly, just shining down on all
of us, if you will, was the notion, the inescapable
reality that it was a miracle that the country was enjoying,
a miracle that Donald Trump was okay, So enjoy this
weekend where the good guys are still winning in the country.
It's still in one piece, and we will talk to
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you all on Monday.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
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