July 22, 2024 • 32 mins
In this episode, Lisa and Tammy Bruce discuss the use of fear as a weapon and its impact on society. They explore the attempted assassination of Donald Trump and the role of fear in shaping our behavior. Tammy shares insights from her book, 'Fear Itself: Exposing the Left's Mind-Killing Agenda,' and discusses how fear is used to control and manipulate people. She emphasizes the importance of breaking free from fear and reclaiming our own values and beliefs. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We're all still processing the events of July thirteenth, still
processing the attempted assassination of President Trump, the murder of
a man who was brave enough to throw his body
on his loved ones to shield them from death, the
shooting of two others. As we process this massively historical
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moment that we saw and that we're currently in, how
does this reshape America?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How does this reshape the future.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We're going to talk to my friend and colleague from
Fox News, Tammy Bruce, about this.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We'll also talk about what.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We've seen at the R and C where we've seen
former Democrats like Amber Rose take the stage and say
you know what, I have woken up from the Left's
lock on me. Or we've even seen the president of
the Teamsters take the stage as well. This realignment of
the Republican Party, this realignment in American politics, and that
also gets to her new book, Fear Itself, exposing the
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Left's mind killing age, because she used to be on
the left and she had an awakening. She saw this
mind virus, this mind killing agenda for what it was.
Well more people wake up as we head into this election,
a lot to talk about with my friend Tammy Bruce,
stay tuned, Tammy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's so great to have you on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You your friend, a colleague, and I'm so proud of
you with this book that we're going to talk about.
But you know, also just to have you on during
such an important time and history and such an important
time with the news. So just looking forward to having
you on and hearing your insight.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'm looking forward to it because normally when I see you,
we have like a minute each to talk or it's
like you're next to me and there's no real, you know,
sense of exchange. So this is a preferred environment, and
you're always doing a great job. So it's my pleasure.
Thanks for asking me.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yea, I promise you you won't have producers in your
ears telling you to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
We have to go to commercial breaks.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's a good news.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, you can give all the time in the world.
I wanted to get your take first and foremost. Obviously
we're coming off the heels of history, right, an attempt
at assassination on a former president, which has only happened,
you know, handful of times in American history.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You know, first of all, just what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I mean, you've had some time to reflect since then,
what's on what's on your mind today about that?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know, I think as we're just a little over
a week from these events, and our timeline these days
moves so quickly because of technology. You know, we right now,
in a single day in our lives get more information
than somebody one hundred years ago would get in their lifetimes.
And so we we adapt, right, everything is very very fast.
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And my little joke in the beginning is, yes, we
talk about issues in a very short, quick frame of mind,
and so we've adapted to like holding on to a
roller coaster and you don't want to fall out, But
it doesn't give you a lot of time to reflect.
And I have to say, I'm still trying to. You know,
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we're professionals. We have to absorb a lot of information
and understand it. But it is still mind boggling literally
to think about the nature of what's occurred. But interestingly,
it's not surprising. A lot of people in the aftermath
of the assassination attempt noted that well, it was inevitable,
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and most of us, certainly for the last several years
through COVID, were aware that something was not right. That something,
you know, we seem to be moving through, something that
we don't understand but we expect. And that's in large
part what my book's about. And it's been three years
I've been working on this book, you know, I mentioned
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to you years ago, and because this is an enduring issue,
which is the issue of fear and its impact on us,
but mostly is how it's reponized against us, training us
in a way to retreat, to not look up, to
be afraid to engage. And that's of course a whole
other aspect about the nature of what we're now experiencing.
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So personally, I'm kind of maybe you are too, and
others are, and your listeners and viewers are as well.
It's almost like I can think about it in little
bits because the concept of how dramatically the country and
the world would have changed had the president not slightly
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turned his head at the right moment is shocking. So
for me in the wake of the book now coming
out on July twenty third, that it's been a year's
long effort, but again an enduring dynamic where it's an
ancient technique that is being still applied to us, which
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is the use of fear threats and intimidation to quell
the population so that you don't feel safe going to
a rally or speaking about issues, or going to a
school board meeting to get involved in your kid's education.
That there is a price to pay, and it usually
it tends to work. Look where human beings the mind
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is fragile, techniques or techniques for a reason, because they work.
For thousands of years, this has been used against populations
around the world, and we're at a point now where
we have frightening events and especially leading up to the
attempted assassination, the nature of almost a decade of apocalyptic
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rhetoric being used normally just against political opponents, but it
began to expand to the supporters, to average American voters
and people about how we were a danger to the country,
about how fascism and racism and systemic racism and all
these other kind of threats to democracy and an end
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of the world as we know it. None of that
is true, Lisa, as we know all of that is
a lie, and yet it gets repeated by the authorities
in the country, the president himself, Joe Biden, leadership in
that party, the nature of the establishment. You know what
else is frightening is hearing news that the then newly
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elected President Donald Trump in twenty sixteen seventeen was a
Russian tody.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh, it was.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was a spy for Russia. Well, Timmy, that's frightening
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I wanted to dig in about something you said earlier.
You mentioned with the intention of fear is obviously to
change the way we behave as Americans. And I think
when you said that, I had in my mind, you know,
the image of President Trump standing up immediately after being
shot with his fist in the air, of the American
flag behind him, not backing down, not cowering, assuring the
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nation that he is safe, that Americans are safe, and
then also having the bravery and the courage to say,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm going to the convention. I'm not changing, you.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Know, like I'm not changed, right because because you had mentioned,
you know, terrorists use that tactic, right that they want
you to be fearful of your everyday movements, of changing
the way you live. And but so it just you know,
as you mentioned that, it just made me think, this
man's just built different. You know, most people would be
afraid to keep to go to the convention to keep
living their life, but not him.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That is the perfect example, and why Trump is such
a threat to the establishment is his behavior. Yes, his confidence,
the nature of being sure about what he wants to accomplish,
and he does it. We saw that in his first term.
But that is a perfect example that as we look
to other people in our community about how should we
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behave right? What's appropriate? Should I be afraid or maybe
I shouldn't be, or you know, it's all different for
each one of us about you know, what battles we
can pick and choose. But that was the perfect illustration
with the picture of him on the floor of the
stage looking down, the blood streaming down. In those moments,
we have to remember that he finally he realized he'd
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been shot. None of us know what that's like. I
hope none of us do, and with your listening audience,
but it's it's shocking, and so he has a moment.
He has to gather himself, He has to get picked
up because the force to protect him, you know, picked
him up out of his own shoes. And the first
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thing as he's standing, he realizes obviously he's alive, but
no one, none of us knew how seriously he was injured.
Let alone, he would not have known how.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Serious bullets are coming either.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
More. Yeah, there's still shooting. And finally, after a dozen shots, screaming,
he gets picked up. He says, wait, let me get
my shoes. Let me get my shoes, and so he's
he's at least engaged, but he said something to it
was either Selena Zito or buy in York. That was.
It still gives me chills when when I think of it,
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he said. When I got up, and I'm paraphrasing here,
and he looked out, he realized everyone was still there.
Now that's key. Now we saw the bleachers behind him clearly,
and there was carnage. There was blood everywhere. Corey was
had been murdered at that point, two others seriously injured.
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And yet while some people on the peripheryce. This is
a forty forty to fifty thousand people group, and normally,
as we would expect, you'd think there would be this
panicked rush to get out of this open field. But
he looked out, and he said in this interview that
I saw that everyone was still there, and I knew
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that I had to show them that I was okay,
and that they we had to continue the work. And
so that was my initial reaction with the fist going
up in the air, his instinct in the moment. But also,
and he didn't say this, but the nature of looking back,
here's a man who does not know how gravely he
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is injured. Thank god it was not grave at all,
but not knowing how gravely he was injured with a
crowd of fifty thousand people. He's in his seventies, he
is hurt, he's bruised from being pushed down to the ground,
and this might as well have been his last words
in public as far as he knew. And his choice
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was to tell people to fight, fight, fight, But and
the context of immediately understanding that was don't give up,
just like as he just did. As you noted, he
got up, and he not only got up, but he
needed to tell people something I think he told Byron York.
He wanted to keep speaking, but then he said, but
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I realized, you know, I couldn't because I was shot.
That's a good reason to stop speaking, you know, classic Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
We'll accuse him on that one, and you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, but so that's where it becomes an interesting juxtaposition
because in the aftermath people noted that there were no riots,
no buildings were being burnt down, there was no raging
mobs moving through the street, because you know, we had
just experienced some maniac somehow being able to get close
enough and try to blow off Donald Trump's head in
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front of the world, and yet there was no social reaction,
and that crowd did not run for their own lives,
and they started instead after they heard from him to
chant Usa, Usa Usa. No one knew still if there
was more to come, if the if there was more
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than one shooter, but it was the I think generally
the nature of what Trump has asked of people and
what he was doing at that time, which was showing
that he would get back up, and that is the
certainly everyone was afraid. Goes back to the nature of
my book, which is that fear is important, but it's
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meant to be transitory, and then you can use logic
and reason to make decisions about how you proceed. When
fear is weaponized as the left has done, there are
no perceived solutions. It is meant to feel never ending.
It is described as endless, that there's no solution. It's
systemic and the fact that it's also envy is encouraged.
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That you are being wronged and it will never be corrected.
This is not the message that bodes well for anyone's future,
and it is certainly not the message that conservatives tend
to embrace, and it's not a Trump message. Trump's message
is forward looking, we can do this, and his message
that day with his fight Fight Fight, was don't stop,
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continue the work. And I think that that's why you
see such a different response. And my book encourages people
first to realize that the environment that we're living in
is artificial, that this constant, chronic fear is false, that
it is not organic, and that it's very simple to
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overcome it, as you saw everyone, fifty thousand people overcoming
the fear, Trump overcoming the fear. Everyone at the convention
overcoming their fear, because you've got to live your life.
But it's about clicking in with your conscious, disciplined mind
and not being manipulated and knowing that our actions matter.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
We've got more of Tammy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But first, you used to be on the left and
so and what you've saw, you know with the convention,
you know, Amber Rosebeak, we saw the teamster's president'speak. I mean,
we really have seen a convention that sort of supersedes
Red versus Blue. You know, how were you able to
break free from the left's mind killing agendas? You write
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in your book you know, how are you all to
break free? And do you foresee more democrats waking up
to what you woke up to and changing their mind
and changing their perspective breaking from it this year?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
As you mentioned, Yeah, that mind killing phrase is actually
from Herbert's Done, which most young people now know of
through the films. But that's a story about the issue
of you know, coming it to yourself, not being afraid
of an overwhelming governing force that is after you. These
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are similar themes from the Bible on out right through
Shakespeare's work is really about the Bible in many different ways,
but it's the oldest story in humanity, is the nature
of how can we be ourselves in the midst of
this world we live in? For me, it was psychotherapy.
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I was on the left, and always I was seeing
a therapist and one fashion or another to try to
because I noticed, and I've written about this in my
previous books, that I was doing what I was doing
to try to help and organ ourselves out of existence,
and realizing that, in fact, and told directly by some
and the feminists, some leaders in the feminist movement, that
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that was not in our best interest, that we had to,
as they say, rubsalt into the wound, just to make
sure that we always existed, so that we'd be here
when we were needed. And I realized then that it
was a scam, that this was not not what I wanted.
And I think that it's the psychological awareness of being
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able to, you know, look, the left praise on the damaged,
and my early experience in life caused damage. It's not
a surprise that I went to the left. The difference
is and like the people you've mentioned, there's something that
happens in our lives that makes us, for a moment
even look up and say, wait a minute. And what's
important especially for the conservative world, but for Americans in general.
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Because I've seen people worried about the Union guy and
Amber Rose being there because they're you know, not Christian
or not something else. It's like, wait a minute, this
is about humanity, and aren't we here specifically so that
when someone who'd been trapped looks up, we're here with
open arms. Isn't that the Christian message? And I believe
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in God. I don't like organized religion, But isn't that
the Christian ideal, which is the fact that none of
us are perfect, all of us are seeking redemption. And
I still to this day am doing just that, trying
to make up for the earlier work I'd done. But
the experience, as I've seen and written about here specifically,
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even personal experiences that I had in one case with
a stalker, in another case with an earlier girlfriend. Your
audience may not know I'm also gay. What were events
that shaped my life where there were moments of clarity
that allowed me to climb further out of that hole?
And then certain conservatives. I wrought a section on rushlanbaw
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Meeting him happenstantically at a radio station where his show
was syndicated and where I also worked KFI in Los Angeles,
and that conversation over maybe a couple of hours, changed
my life. And those are things you can't plan, but
you have to be open to them. And I think
it's just about thinking first about what's happened. And again
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we're on the roller coaster, but there's a moment and
I want this book to serve this purpose, to consider
what else is happening that you are not just condemned
to this weird thing you have to live through. But
the simplest things, Lisa, that we can do, because this
is an issue of courage, which is beaten out of us,
is the decision, as I made, and have made several
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times in my life, to say no, to say I
want something better, and to not be afraid to identify
as God forbid, a conservative, to say publicly I support
Donald Trump or somebody else. People get mad at me
too when I still say I like Nikki Haley, I
like Rod DeSantis. You know, people get mad. It's like
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or it's just a minute. And we saw that from
the convention, is that it's not like you have to
be one hundred percent with somebody, but you know, this
is a team effort to save this country and you
will not always one hundred percent love everybody. But that's
part of life, and it's the thing that you can
actually enjoy is the challenges, you know, having debates. It's
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a thing I miss and I think we can get
back to it, but it's really at the very end.
I have five packs. We can make with ourselves. The
very first one is to not allow strangers to determine
how you think about yourself. Don't allow strangers to yell
you're a racist and a bigot. If you don't do X,
do not let that happen. You're in charge of your
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values and of who you are. And the moment you
stop believing strangers or even family members who tell you
you're a bad person, you will be free. Because that's
like domestic violence, which I go into a little bit
in the book, where a batterer continually attacks the self esteem,
the worthiness, tells you you're no good, tells you you're
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the problem, says if you don't do this what I
say to you, you're bad. You're going to be punished
that if you don't do this thing, I'm going to
break your nose. If you don't do this thing, I'm
going to get you fired. It is exactly what's about
playing right now, Lisa writ large in This Country.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well and Tammy, you know, as we talk about sort
of this fear agenda and how the Left implements it,
you lay out sort of the predictable pattern and it goes,
you know, cut us off from our friends and family,
gaslight us, tell us we misremember the past, break down
our confidence, shame us, fill us with a fear of everything,
and I might I mean that was COVID, right.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I mean talk a little bit about that, And I mean,
have you ever seen as big of a fear agenda,
you know, being implemented to try to force us into submission?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
That was the Ultimately, there's a phrase I'll use which
is a little crude. So I won't because of the years.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
My mom my, mom my, mom gets mad at me
if I curse, but you you're allowed to.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, you know, it's a it's a certain kind of
dream for the for the left cod it's a certain
kind of dream, and they couldn't contain themselves. Uh And COVID.
Of course, the concept for this book arose prior to COVID,
because again it's ancient, it's an ancient issue. And then
COVID hit and it was the glee, the immediate you know,
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desire to It was every single thing in them in
the kitchen that they put into the recipe, and it
was like, this was the chance, This was the chance.
And the problem, of course, which now Trump would not
have in a second term is is Trump being from
the outside, presuming that people in government would do what
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people in business do. Everyone has an interest in the
business succeeding. Well, not in Washington. And you know, we
now know from Burkes's book that he was lied to
and manipulated and they didn't do what he asked. We
know in a variety of ways. And now even the
interviews with Fauci, which thank god I was able to
get into the book earlier this year, even saying that,
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you know, the six feet apart thing just kind of appeared.
We were told it was science and the masks right,
it was like ten percent. It works on the margins.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Trust the science. Trust, I know, trust the science.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Science and science. Oh my god, so we But for
too many who are dead in the nursing homes and
the political choices that are made, the lives destroyed, the
sobriety destroyed by people facing this kind of an insane thing.
We talk about excess deaths. A friend of mine diagnosed
she a young woman with third stage calon cancer, which
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she ignored in part because she thought it was long COVID.
The lies. You know, when we think about excess deaths,
the mental health of young people what we did, and
not because we were running and willing to do it.
In order to keep your job, you had to get
the jab, in order to get your kids still in school,
they had to wear a mask. And all of us
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were under such threat that we allowed certain things to occur.
I of course write about that in the book, write
about global warming, which is partly the training for this,
the nature of the media and its role, the key
to education. But the history, there's a history of this technique,
and then I go into how it's now playing out
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in our world. But yes, for most people who just
are trying to raise their families and live their lives,
COVID was the revelation that something else was very not
right and that this was a strange thing to be doing.
And then of course the reaction to Trump, the efforts
to the rhetoric about him. It was inevitable that this
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would happen, that there would be an attempt to kill him,
because how many years go on when you call someone
an existential threat and is Hitler somebody forget their politics.
They're saying, oh, the guy on the roof, we don't
know what his politics were. It doesn't matter. It even
makes my point more significant is that anyone who's on
the edge can be pushed over by this constant haranguing
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and lies that someone is going to be a threat
to life as we know it. It's insane, and yet
we now were seeing it play out, and the moment
we're aware of it, so much of the power of
it dissipates because we now understand that we don't have
to adapt.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
We can say no, we've got more of Tammy.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
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the left, you know, one, they're just getting crazier, but
their policies are getting more extreme. Have you seen that
correlate with an increased fear Agenda's what.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Absolutely you know? And plus there's is a level of
desperation they've seen at work. That's one of the Ish right.
This is why there's suddenly a hubris begins to kick in.
Like they just presumed that, you know, on July eleventh,
that Trump would be in jail, So they were completely
unprepared for any other scenario where they would have to
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explain Joe Biden. It wouldn't matter. They thought all of
what they did, the you know, the indictments and the
Marrologo rate, their disconnection with the nature of the American
people and what we understand is mind blowing. And I
think that as they because they've been successful. They saw
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their success with COVID, and this is why Fauci is still,
you know, creating himself and strutting. He's got his little
book out there. And Debora Burks writes a book proudly
talking about how she missed. Like Trump would say, and
his administration would say, let's do X, Y and Z here,
and then they would take their papers and just like
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change the wording a little bit and move down the
stuff they didn't like that. They wouldn't change anything, and
she crowed about doing that. So I think that as
they as they have an overestimation of themselves and underestimation
of the American people, and they are just in this
mode of scare the pants off everybody. And I talk
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in your I talk about England, where there was discussions
through like the what's app app of government leaders during
COVID talking about exactly that we have to literally we
have to frighten them more. And so this is an
understood technique that is to be applied for people's own good.
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And when they see it not working, oh boy, then
they resent us even more, Lisa, and then they have
to say more mean things because we are you know,
racists and sexists and irredeemable and white supremacists and you know,
existential threats. It's their mental health issues that we see
playing out in real time.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Is the point of fear submission?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well it is, yes, it is about the retreat. It's
not safe to think even with language changes. Lose your
job for misgendering someone not using the right pronounce that
the dumbest issues in the world. But that's the point.
If they can get you to submit to the dumb
things and that you don't know what the rules are
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from day to day, you will stop thinking about the
issues even because it's too dangerous. So yes, the goal
is to quell the population, and you do that in
number of ways, making them frightened and creating a mass
anxiety which stops critical thinking, and keeping them poor so
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that they don't have the mechanism with which to make
change through donations or being able to fund psychotherapy or
anything else. So you keep people afraid and poor. And now,
since we're making marijuana illegal, and you're also going to
be stoned, and then you'll eat too many twinkies and
you'll be fat. It is the ultimate, they're mellion. You know,
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it's the ultimate or Wellian dynamic, and it's someone Look,
I did drugs in my late teens and early twenties,
and the one thing I did not like was pot
one because it made me feel dumb and it made
me hungry, and I've always had a weight issue, so
the last thing I wanted. But now today's drugs are
so different than they were thirty forty years ago. It
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is it's shocking to me that this is the movement.
Is after all the stuff we did about smoking tobacco
and the dangers of tobacco, but now we've like we
looked to laws as a sign of what's acceptable. But
it's not surprising when you want people to be quelled
and all of these things work in so you have
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bad economies, You can't afford gasoline. That creates fear. You
don't know what the future is going to be, so
you don't make any big plans, You don't spend money
on candidates, you don't go you don't have the money
sometimes to go to a rally. You don't have You
just you don't have the money to pay for bail
in the event you get arrested. As school board meeting.
You know, where does how does this end? And they
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think it just ends with a population that won't be
bothersome And of course they're finding out that they've misread
and underestimated the American people.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, before we close. The book is out July
twenty third. What do you hope people take away from
it that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
They haven't been wrong right, that something's not right has
been resonating, and that it is not something that it's
not something that's going to be here forever, that we,
in fact can stop it. It seems overwhelming, doesn't it.
It's the whole government, it's the economy. How does that change?
Trump showed us that certainly, through regulations and policies, our
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lives can change on a dime. Biden showed us that
as well, the power of the presidency. Our lives changed
in a day when he reversed all of the border rules.
So we know that the presidency is powerful. We know
through both experiences that it can change almost immediately. Most importantly,
things change because our frame of mind changes. And I
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want people to have this as a tool. So it's
a reminder that all of this, it's like a dream,
it's artificial. You wake up and that thing that was
terrifying you wasn't even real. That's what this is, and
that's what I want the book to do, is to
literally snap us out of it, to break the spell
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and the moment that happens. As we saw at the
rally as an example, you saw a difference in how
people and even some people are saying President Trump is
a change man. I don't know. I think he's the
same man. But anyone who faced, certainly an existential threat,
is going to be reacting to that. The bottom line
is he stood up and is doing what he did
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because we've had his back and we are not afraid.
And that is how this nation works. So I want
this book. What they take away, what everyone should take away,
is that you're right that things aren't right. This is
artificial and weak. It can be changed, and from just
person to person, it can change from our own frames
of mind and then what we do in the process
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of that. So it's very exciting and I hope people
like it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Why I think they are going to like it, Fear
itself exposing the left mind killing agenda out on July
twenty third, Tammy Bruce Friend and colleague Pratio.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I hope it's a huge, excess huge success. I know
it'll be a huge success.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Thank I hope.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Thank you loved having go on. I'd love to have
you back on and he't wait to cheery on as
you as you continue to talk about the book and
just do great with it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
So thank you so much. Thanks, it's great. Thank you Lisa.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was my friend and colleague, Tammy Bruce. Appreciate her
for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate
you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week. I want to
think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.
We're all still processing the events of July thirteenth, still
processing the attempted assassination of President Trump, the murder of
a man who was brave enough to throw his body
on his loved ones to shield them from death, the
shooting of two others. As we process this massively historical
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moment that we saw and that we're currently in, how
does this reshape America?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How does this reshape the future.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We're going to talk to my friend and colleague from
Fox News, Tammy Bruce, about this.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We'll also talk about what.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We've seen at the R and C where we've seen
former Democrats like Amber Rose take the stage and say
you know what, I have woken up from the Left's
lock on me. Or we've even seen the president of
the Teamsters take the stage as well. This realignment of
the Republican Party, this realignment in American politics, and that
also gets to her new book, Fear Itself, exposing the
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Left's mind killing age, because she used to be on
the left and she had an awakening. She saw this
mind virus, this mind killing agenda for what it was.
Well more people wake up as we head into this election,
a lot to talk about with my friend Tammy Bruce,
stay tuned, Tammy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's so great to have you on the show.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You your friend, a colleague, and I'm so proud of
you with this book that we're going to talk about.
But you know, also just to have you on during
such an important time and history and such an important
time with the news. So just looking forward to having
you on and hearing your insight.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I'm looking forward to it because normally when I see you,
we have like a minute each to talk or it's
like you're next to me and there's no real, you know,
sense of exchange. So this is a preferred environment, and
you're always doing a great job. So it's my pleasure.
Thanks for asking me.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yea, I promise you you won't have producers in your
ears telling you to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
We have to go to commercial breaks.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's a good news.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, you can give all the time in the world.
I wanted to get your take first and foremost. Obviously
we're coming off the heels of history, right, an attempt
at assassination on a former president, which has only happened,
you know, handful of times in American history.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You know, first of all, just what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I mean, you've had some time to reflect since then,
what's on what's on your mind today about that?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know, I think as we're just a little over
a week from these events, and our timeline these days
moves so quickly because of technology. You know, we right now,
in a single day in our lives get more information
than somebody one hundred years ago would get in their lifetimes.
And so we we adapt, right, everything is very very fast.
(02:47):
And my little joke in the beginning is, yes, we
talk about issues in a very short, quick frame of mind,
and so we've adapted to like holding on to a
roller coaster and you don't want to fall out, But
it doesn't give you a lot of time to reflect.
And I have to say, I'm still trying to. You know,
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we're professionals. We have to absorb a lot of information
and understand it. But it is still mind boggling literally
to think about the nature of what's occurred. But interestingly,
it's not surprising. A lot of people in the aftermath
of the assassination attempt noted that well, it was inevitable,
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and most of us, certainly for the last several years
through COVID, were aware that something was not right. That something,
you know, we seem to be moving through, something that
we don't understand but we expect. And that's in large
part what my book's about. And it's been three years
I've been working on this book, you know, I mentioned
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to you years ago, and because this is an enduring issue,
which is the issue of fear and its impact on us,
but mostly is how it's reponized against us, training us
in a way to retreat, to not look up, to
be afraid to engage. And that's of course a whole
other aspect about the nature of what we're now experiencing.
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So personally, I'm kind of maybe you are too, and
others are, and your listeners and viewers are as well.
It's almost like I can think about it in little
bits because the concept of how dramatically the country and
the world would have changed had the president not slightly
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turned his head at the right moment is shocking. So
for me in the wake of the book now coming
out on July twenty third, that it's been a year's
long effort, but again an enduring dynamic where it's an
ancient technique that is being still applied to us, which
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is the use of fear threats and intimidation to quell
the population so that you don't feel safe going to
a rally or speaking about issues, or going to a
school board meeting to get involved in your kid's education.
That there is a price to pay, and it usually
it tends to work. Look where human beings the mind
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is fragile, techniques or techniques for a reason, because they work.
For thousands of years, this has been used against populations
around the world, and we're at a point now where
we have frightening events and especially leading up to the
attempted assassination, the nature of almost a decade of apocalyptic
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rhetoric being used normally just against political opponents, but it
began to expand to the supporters, to average American voters
and people about how we were a danger to the country,
about how fascism and racism and systemic racism and all
these other kind of threats to democracy and an end
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of the world as we know it. None of that
is true, Lisa, as we know all of that is
a lie, and yet it gets repeated by the authorities
in the country, the president himself, Joe Biden, leadership in
that party, the nature of the establishment. You know what
else is frightening is hearing news that the then newly
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elected President Donald Trump in twenty sixteen seventeen was a
Russian tody.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh, it was.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was a spy for Russia. Well, Timmy, that's frightening
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I wanted to dig in about something you said earlier.
You mentioned with the intention of fear is obviously to
change the way we behave as Americans. And I think
when you said that, I had in my mind, you know,
the image of President Trump standing up immediately after being
shot with his fist in the air, of the American
flag behind him, not backing down, not cowering, assuring the
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nation that he is safe, that Americans are safe, and
then also having the bravery and the courage to say,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm going to the convention. I'm not changing, you.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Know, like I'm not changed, right because because you had mentioned,
you know, terrorists use that tactic, right that they want
you to be fearful of your everyday movements, of changing
the way you live. And but so it just you know,
as you mentioned that, it just made me think, this
man's just built different. You know, most people would be
afraid to keep to go to the convention to keep
living their life, but not him.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That is the perfect example, and why Trump is such
a threat to the establishment is his behavior. Yes, his confidence,
the nature of being sure about what he wants to accomplish,
and he does it. We saw that in his first term.
But that is a perfect example that as we look
to other people in our community about how should we
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behave right? What's appropriate? Should I be afraid or maybe
I shouldn't be, or you know, it's all different for
each one of us about you know, what battles we
can pick and choose. But that was the perfect illustration
with the picture of him on the floor of the
stage looking down, the blood streaming down. In those moments,
we have to remember that he finally he realized he'd
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been shot. None of us know what that's like. I
hope none of us do, and with your listening audience,
but it's it's shocking, and so he has a moment.
He has to gather himself, He has to get picked
up because the force to protect him, you know, picked
him up out of his own shoes. And the first
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thing as he's standing, he realizes obviously he's alive, but
no one, none of us knew how seriously he was injured.
Let alone, he would not have known how.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Serious bullets are coming either.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
More. Yeah, there's still shooting. And finally, after a dozen shots, screaming,
he gets picked up. He says, wait, let me get
my shoes. Let me get my shoes, and so he's
he's at least engaged, but he said something to it
was either Selena Zito or buy in York. That was.
It still gives me chills when when I think of it,
(09:05):
he said. When I got up, and I'm paraphrasing here,
and he looked out, he realized everyone was still there.
Now that's key. Now we saw the bleachers behind him clearly,
and there was carnage. There was blood everywhere. Corey was
had been murdered at that point, two others seriously injured.
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And yet while some people on the peripheryce. This is
a forty forty to fifty thousand people group, and normally,
as we would expect, you'd think there would be this
panicked rush to get out of this open field. But
he looked out, and he said in this interview that
I saw that everyone was still there, and I knew
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that I had to show them that I was okay,
and that they we had to continue the work. And
so that was my initial reaction with the fist going
up in the air, his instinct in the moment. But also,
and he didn't say this, but the nature of looking back,
here's a man who does not know how gravely he
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is injured. Thank god it was not grave at all,
but not knowing how gravely he was injured with a
crowd of fifty thousand people. He's in his seventies, he
is hurt, he's bruised from being pushed down to the ground,
and this might as well have been his last words
in public as far as he knew. And his choice
(10:30):
was to tell people to fight, fight, fight, But and
the context of immediately understanding that was don't give up,
just like as he just did. As you noted, he
got up, and he not only got up, but he
needed to tell people something I think he told Byron York.
He wanted to keep speaking, but then he said, but
(10:51):
I realized, you know, I couldn't because I was shot.
That's a good reason to stop speaking, you know, classic Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
We'll accuse him on that one, and you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, but so that's where it becomes an interesting juxtaposition
because in the aftermath people noted that there were no riots,
no buildings were being burnt down, there was no raging
mobs moving through the street, because you know, we had
just experienced some maniac somehow being able to get close
enough and try to blow off Donald Trump's head in
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front of the world, and yet there was no social reaction,
and that crowd did not run for their own lives,
and they started instead after they heard from him to
chant Usa, Usa Usa. No one knew still if there
was more to come, if the if there was more
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than one shooter, but it was the I think generally
the nature of what Trump has asked of people and
what he was doing at that time, which was showing
that he would get back up, and that is the
certainly everyone was afraid. Goes back to the nature of
my book, which is that fear is important, but it's
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meant to be transitory, and then you can use logic
and reason to make decisions about how you proceed. When
fear is weaponized as the left has done, there are
no perceived solutions. It is meant to feel never ending.
It is described as endless, that there's no solution. It's
systemic and the fact that it's also envy is encouraged.
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That you are being wronged and it will never be corrected.
This is not the message that bodes well for anyone's future,
and it is certainly not the message that conservatives tend
to embrace, and it's not a Trump message. Trump's message
is forward looking, we can do this, and his message
that day with his fight Fight Fight, was don't stop,
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continue the work. And I think that that's why you
see such a different response. And my book encourages people
first to realize that the environment that we're living in
is artificial, that this constant, chronic fear is false, that
it is not organic, and that it's very simple to
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overcome it, as you saw everyone, fifty thousand people overcoming
the fear, Trump overcoming the fear. Everyone at the convention
overcoming their fear, because you've got to live your life.
But it's about clicking in with your conscious, disciplined mind
and not being manipulated and knowing that our actions matter.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
We've got more of Tammy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But first, you used to be on the left and
so and what you've saw, you know with the convention,
you know, Amber Rosebeak, we saw the teamster's president'speak. I mean,
we really have seen a convention that sort of supersedes
Red versus Blue. You know, how were you able to
break free from the left's mind killing agendas? You write
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in your book you know, how are you all to
break free? And do you foresee more democrats waking up
to what you woke up to and changing their mind
and changing their perspective breaking from it this year?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
As you mentioned, Yeah, that mind killing phrase is actually
from Herbert's Done, which most young people now know of
through the films. But that's a story about the issue
of you know, coming it to yourself, not being afraid
of an overwhelming governing force that is after you. These
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are similar themes from the Bible on out right through
Shakespeare's work is really about the Bible in many different ways,
but it's the oldest story in humanity, is the nature
of how can we be ourselves in the midst of
this world we live in? For me, it was psychotherapy.
(14:47):
I was on the left, and always I was seeing
a therapist and one fashion or another to try to
because I noticed, and I've written about this in my
previous books, that I was doing what I was doing
to try to help and organ ourselves out of existence,
and realizing that, in fact, and told directly by some
and the feminists, some leaders in the feminist movement, that
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that was not in our best interest, that we had to,
as they say, rubsalt into the wound, just to make
sure that we always existed, so that we'd be here
when we were needed. And I realized then that it
was a scam, that this was not not what I wanted.
And I think that it's the psychological awareness of being
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able to, you know, look, the left praise on the damaged,
and my early experience in life caused damage. It's not
a surprise that I went to the left. The difference
is and like the people you've mentioned, there's something that
happens in our lives that makes us, for a moment
even look up and say, wait a minute. And what's
important especially for the conservative world, but for Americans in general.
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Because I've seen people worried about the Union guy and
Amber Rose being there because they're you know, not Christian
or not something else. It's like, wait a minute, this
is about humanity, and aren't we here specifically so that
when someone who'd been trapped looks up, we're here with
open arms. Isn't that the Christian message? And I believe
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in God. I don't like organized religion, But isn't that
the Christian ideal, which is the fact that none of
us are perfect, all of us are seeking redemption. And
I still to this day am doing just that, trying
to make up for the earlier work I'd done. But
the experience, as I've seen and written about here specifically,
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even personal experiences that I had in one case with
a stalker, in another case with an earlier girlfriend. Your
audience may not know I'm also gay. What were events
that shaped my life where there were moments of clarity
that allowed me to climb further out of that hole?
And then certain conservatives. I wrought a section on rushlanbaw
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Meeting him happenstantically at a radio station where his show
was syndicated and where I also worked KFI in Los Angeles,
and that conversation over maybe a couple of hours, changed
my life. And those are things you can't plan, but
you have to be open to them. And I think
it's just about thinking first about what's happened. And again
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we're on the roller coaster, but there's a moment and
I want this book to serve this purpose, to consider
what else is happening that you are not just condemned
to this weird thing you have to live through. But
the simplest things, Lisa, that we can do, because this
is an issue of courage, which is beaten out of us,
is the decision, as I made, and have made several
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times in my life, to say no, to say I
want something better, and to not be afraid to identify
as God forbid, a conservative, to say publicly I support
Donald Trump or somebody else. People get mad at me
too when I still say I like Nikki Haley, I
like Rod DeSantis. You know, people get mad. It's like
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or it's just a minute. And we saw that from
the convention, is that it's not like you have to
be one hundred percent with somebody, but you know, this
is a team effort to save this country and you
will not always one hundred percent love everybody. But that's
part of life, and it's the thing that you can
actually enjoy is the challenges, you know, having debates. It's
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a thing I miss and I think we can get
back to it, but it's really at the very end.
I have five packs. We can make with ourselves. The
very first one is to not allow strangers to determine
how you think about yourself. Don't allow strangers to yell
you're a racist and a bigot. If you don't do X,
do not let that happen. You're in charge of your
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values and of who you are. And the moment you
stop believing strangers or even family members who tell you
you're a bad person, you will be free. Because that's
like domestic violence, which I go into a little bit
in the book, where a batterer continually attacks the self esteem,
the worthiness, tells you you're no good, tells you you're
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the problem, says if you don't do this what I
say to you, you're bad. You're going to be punished
that if you don't do this thing, I'm going to
break your nose. If you don't do this thing, I'm
going to get you fired. It is exactly what's about
playing right now, Lisa writ large in This Country.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well and Tammy, you know, as we talk about sort
of this fear agenda and how the Left implements it,
you lay out sort of the predictable pattern and it goes,
you know, cut us off from our friends and family,
gaslight us, tell us we misremember the past, break down
our confidence, shame us, fill us with a fear of everything,
and I might I mean that was COVID, right.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I mean talk a little bit about that, And I mean,
have you ever seen as big of a fear agenda,
you know, being implemented to try to force us into submission?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
That was the Ultimately, there's a phrase I'll use which
is a little crude. So I won't because of the years.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
My mom my, mom my, mom gets mad at me
if I curse, but you you're allowed to.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, you know, it's a it's a certain kind of
dream for the for the left cod it's a certain
kind of dream, and they couldn't contain themselves. Uh And COVID.
Of course, the concept for this book arose prior to COVID,
because again it's ancient, it's an ancient issue. And then
COVID hit and it was the glee, the immediate you know,
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desire to It was every single thing in them in
the kitchen that they put into the recipe, and it
was like, this was the chance, This was the chance.
And the problem, of course, which now Trump would not
have in a second term is is Trump being from
the outside, presuming that people in government would do what
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people in business do. Everyone has an interest in the
business succeeding. Well, not in Washington. And you know, we
now know from Burkes's book that he was lied to
and manipulated and they didn't do what he asked. We
know in a variety of ways. And now even the
interviews with Fauci, which thank god I was able to
get into the book earlier this year, even saying that,
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you know, the six feet apart thing just kind of appeared.
We were told it was science and the masks right,
it was like ten percent. It works on the margins.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Trust the science. Trust, I know, trust the science.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Science and science. Oh my god, so we But for
too many who are dead in the nursing homes and
the political choices that are made, the lives destroyed, the
sobriety destroyed by people facing this kind of an insane thing.
We talk about excess deaths. A friend of mine diagnosed
she a young woman with third stage calon cancer, which
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she ignored in part because she thought it was long COVID.
The lies. You know, when we think about excess deaths,
the mental health of young people what we did, and
not because we were running and willing to do it.
In order to keep your job, you had to get
the jab, in order to get your kids still in school,
they had to wear a mask. And all of us
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were under such threat that we allowed certain things to occur.
I of course write about that in the book, write
about global warming, which is partly the training for this,
the nature of the media and its role, the key
to education. But the history, there's a history of this technique,
and then I go into how it's now playing out
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in our world. But yes, for most people who just
are trying to raise their families and live their lives,
COVID was the revelation that something else was very not
right and that this was a strange thing to be doing.
And then of course the reaction to Trump, the efforts
to the rhetoric about him. It was inevitable that this
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would happen, that there would be an attempt to kill him,
because how many years go on when you call someone
an existential threat and is Hitler somebody forget their politics.
They're saying, oh, the guy on the roof, we don't
know what his politics were. It doesn't matter. It even
makes my point more significant is that anyone who's on
the edge can be pushed over by this constant haranguing
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and lies that someone is going to be a threat
to life as we know it. It's insane, and yet
we now were seeing it play out, and the moment
we're aware of it, so much of the power of
it dissipates because we now understand that we don't have
to adapt.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
We can say no, we've got more of Tammy.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
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the left, you know, one, they're just getting crazier, but
their policies are getting more extreme. Have you seen that
correlate with an increased fear Agenda's what.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Absolutely you know? And plus there's is a level of
desperation they've seen at work. That's one of the Ish right.
This is why there's suddenly a hubris begins to kick in.
Like they just presumed that, you know, on July eleventh,
that Trump would be in jail, So they were completely
unprepared for any other scenario where they would have to
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explain Joe Biden. It wouldn't matter. They thought all of
what they did, the you know, the indictments and the
Marrologo rate, their disconnection with the nature of the American
people and what we understand is mind blowing. And I
think that as they because they've been successful. They saw
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their success with COVID, and this is why Fauci is still,
you know, creating himself and strutting. He's got his little
book out there. And Debora Burks writes a book proudly
talking about how she missed. Like Trump would say, and
his administration would say, let's do X, Y and Z here,
and then they would take their papers and just like
(25:57):
change the wording a little bit and move down the
stuff they didn't like that. They wouldn't change anything, and
she crowed about doing that. So I think that as
they as they have an overestimation of themselves and underestimation
of the American people, and they are just in this
mode of scare the pants off everybody. And I talk
(26:17):
in your I talk about England, where there was discussions
through like the what's app app of government leaders during
COVID talking about exactly that we have to literally we
have to frighten them more. And so this is an
understood technique that is to be applied for people's own good.
(26:39):
And when they see it not working, oh boy, then
they resent us even more, Lisa, and then they have
to say more mean things because we are you know,
racists and sexists and irredeemable and white supremacists and you know,
existential threats. It's their mental health issues that we see
playing out in real time.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Is the point of fear submission?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well it is, yes, it is about the retreat. It's
not safe to think even with language changes. Lose your
job for misgendering someone not using the right pronounce that
the dumbest issues in the world. But that's the point.
If they can get you to submit to the dumb
things and that you don't know what the rules are
(27:23):
from day to day, you will stop thinking about the
issues even because it's too dangerous. So yes, the goal
is to quell the population, and you do that in
number of ways, making them frightened and creating a mass
anxiety which stops critical thinking, and keeping them poor so
(27:43):
that they don't have the mechanism with which to make
change through donations or being able to fund psychotherapy or
anything else. So you keep people afraid and poor. And now,
since we're making marijuana illegal, and you're also going to
be stoned, and then you'll eat too many twinkies and
you'll be fat. It is the ultimate, they're mellion. You know,
(28:08):
it's the ultimate or Wellian dynamic, and it's someone Look,
I did drugs in my late teens and early twenties,
and the one thing I did not like was pot
one because it made me feel dumb and it made
me hungry, and I've always had a weight issue, so
the last thing I wanted. But now today's drugs are
so different than they were thirty forty years ago. It
(28:29):
is it's shocking to me that this is the movement.
Is after all the stuff we did about smoking tobacco
and the dangers of tobacco, but now we've like we
looked to laws as a sign of what's acceptable. But
it's not surprising when you want people to be quelled
and all of these things work in so you have
(28:50):
bad economies, You can't afford gasoline. That creates fear. You
don't know what the future is going to be, so
you don't make any big plans, You don't spend money
on candidates, you don't go you don't have the money
sometimes to go to a rally. You don't have You
just you don't have the money to pay for bail
in the event you get arrested. As school board meeting.
You know, where does how does this end? And they
(29:12):
think it just ends with a population that won't be
bothersome And of course they're finding out that they've misread
and underestimated the American people.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, before we close. The book is out July
twenty third. What do you hope people take away from
it that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
They haven't been wrong right, that something's not right has
been resonating, and that it is not something that it's
not something that's going to be here forever, that we,
in fact can stop it. It seems overwhelming, doesn't it.
It's the whole government, it's the economy. How does that change?
Trump showed us that certainly, through regulations and policies, our
(29:50):
lives can change on a dime. Biden showed us that
as well, the power of the presidency. Our lives changed
in a day when he reversed all of the border rules.
So we know that the presidency is powerful. We know
through both experiences that it can change almost immediately. Most importantly,
things change because our frame of mind changes. And I
(30:14):
want people to have this as a tool. So it's
a reminder that all of this, it's like a dream,
it's artificial. You wake up and that thing that was
terrifying you wasn't even real. That's what this is, and
that's what I want the book to do, is to
literally snap us out of it, to break the spell
(30:35):
and the moment that happens. As we saw at the
rally as an example, you saw a difference in how
people and even some people are saying President Trump is
a change man. I don't know. I think he's the
same man. But anyone who faced, certainly an existential threat,
is going to be reacting to that. The bottom line
is he stood up and is doing what he did
(30:56):
because we've had his back and we are not afraid.
And that is how this nation works. So I want
this book. What they take away, what everyone should take away,
is that you're right that things aren't right. This is
artificial and weak. It can be changed, and from just
person to person, it can change from our own frames
of mind and then what we do in the process
(31:18):
of that. So it's very exciting and I hope people
like it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Why I think they are going to like it, Fear
itself exposing the left mind killing agenda out on July
twenty third, Tammy Bruce Friend and colleague Pratio.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I hope it's a huge, excess huge success. I know
it'll be a huge success.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Thank I hope.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Thank you loved having go on. I'd love to have
you back on and he't wait to cheery on as
you as you continue to talk about the book and
just do great with it.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
So thank you so much. Thanks, it's great. Thank you Lisa.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was my friend and colleague, Tammy Bruce. Appreciate her
for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate
you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week. I want to
think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.
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