August 5, 2024 • 37 mins
In this episode, Tudor interviews Joe Concha, a Fox News contributor and author of "Progressively Worse: Why Today's Democrats Ain't Your Daddy's Donkeys." They discuss the Democratic Party's significant transformation over the years, focusing on Kamala Harris's candidacy and the impact of current policies on workers and unions. The conversation highlights the disconnect between party leadership and rank-and-file members, especially in the context of the auto industry and environmental policies. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have Joe Conca
with me today. You probably know him from Fox News,
but he is also the author of the new book
Progressively Worse, And I love this.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's like, progressively worse.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Why today's Democrats ain't your daddy's donkeys. So, you know,
it's so funny to me because you were just talking
about your daughter.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I have four girls, and my.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Daughter the other day was like, are they offended that
you call them the donkeys?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And I'm like, it's funny that you know that that
should be offend some mine. I just think it's appropriate.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You know, who came up with this idea, you know,
let's make the party mascot a jackass. That's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's so appropriate.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I mean, at least with the GOP you have, you know,
an elephant that's a big, strong animal, I mean donkey.
Like that's the best you can come up with me.
I went to the University of Maryland. We had a
turtle that was basically our mascot, the Terrapins. I'm like,
we wait, we're our signal of strength is a slow
underwater turtle probably going to beat Michigan. The Wolverines or
the buck guys, the guys. It's the way it goes.
(01:02):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
But I'll take it for them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And I think it's very interesting because, I mean, there's
so much in here that's interesting. You talk about JFK
being like the Maga president and how much different it
is today, and in my.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Book, I just go through the radical transition that this
party has made. I mean, I admit this in the book.
I voted for a Clinton for president once, No, not Hillary,
when I was very young. My first election that I
could vote in, I voted for Bill Clinton. The reason
why I was I looked at the country in nineteen
ninety six, and we had peace, and we had prosperity,
and I saw a president who was willing to work
(01:37):
with Nuke Gingridge, a Republican House speaker to pass things
like balance budget amendments like don't spend me you don't
have Wow, that's a radical idea. Then we had budget
surpluses at the end of the nineties. This is the
guy Clinton who said the era of big government is over,
and he passes welfare reform. He talked about deporting illegal immigrants,
made Donald Trump sound like a wallflower today and you're like, wow,
(01:58):
I can agree with all these things a crime bill,
I can agree with all these things. Uh, and now
you see what their nominee supports, tutor as far as
you want to banfracking. If you live in Pennsylvania, you're
probably happy about that, right are.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
They talking about that?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean, but the other bizarre thing is this ability
to just change everything overnight.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I mean I've said.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
To people, I've talked to people just in this past
week about what exactly is going on because everybody's unprecedented, unprecedented, unprecedented.
This is a total I mean every day, right, every
day is something unprecedented. And they're like, well, how did
this happen? And I had somebody say, well, why isn't
he going to debate Kamala? Why is he now backing
off of that? I said, whoa would you at this
(02:40):
point until she is the actual nominee? I mean, why
give them another mulligan? And what if she's what if
she tanks right after the debate and then they go, oh,
you know what, We're going to pick someone else. I
mean they should we should never have debated this early.
The idea that they get rid of their nominee is shocking.
And now they've they disappear everything about Kamala Harris. They
(03:01):
just and they have the media on their side. This
is communist propaganda. I mean, we've never seen anything like
this where your entire history can be disappeared if you
are on the left, and.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think you're a common sense person. I'm a common
sense person. Now we're parents, and we like to do
fun things and we're happily married, all that fun stuff.
And that's the thing about all of this. We don't
use hyperbolic terms like Marxist or Communist or Soviet, but
I'm using them now because how else can you describe
a candidate who ran in twenty twenty, didn't even get
to twenty twenty, therefore did not get one Democratic vote
(03:33):
when she ran for president, Kamala Harris, And now in
twenty twenty four, she's the nominee again without getting one vote,
and then they turn around to make their bumper sticker, Yeah,
we're the party that's going to save democracy. You're like,
what are you talking about? And I would think that
the media would be saying, wait a minute. All these
days and Kamala Harris hasn't held a press conference, won't
even sit down with one reporter, won't take any questions.
(03:55):
They should be really pissed off right now, and instead
the pomp poms are out. Yeah, kamal lot, is that
what New York Magazine had on their cover. It's crazy,
But I think this eventually goes away and it all
comes down to that debate against Trump, because I think
Kamala Harris is the same as Joe Biden in the
sense square tutor. If you take her out of a teleprompter,
you take her away from pre written, scripted remarks. There's
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something broken in that brain where she doesn't know how
to defend any of her past positions. And I could
go through the top ten right now. We talked about fracking.
She wants to ban that she get backtrack and that
all she wants. She said she's one hundred percent supporting
banning fracking. You can't walk back those words. She wants
to end the fossil fuel industry. She wants to end
all offshore drilling. That's three. Four, she wants to abolish ice. Five.
(04:40):
She does not support in any way, shape or form,
border wall construction. Six, she supports sanctuary cities. Seven. She
supports ending private health insurance. Eight, she supports actually giving
free healthcare to illegals. Nine she supports late term abortions.
Ten she supports expanding the Supreme Court, and okay, the
(05:00):
Honorable Mention wants to end the filibuster as well. These
are radical things that no Americans agree with. And if
Donald Trump prepares, and he has to, I understand he
likes to be authentic, and you're right prepared for basically
get those ten things down and hammer her on that.
Stay away from DEI you're dumb. You're this year that
hit her on policy and she'll fold, just like Joe
Biden did in Atlanta June twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But you make a great point, and I think this
is something that people on the left don't see, but
we need to keep pointing it out, is that she
has no true convictions. If you have somebody that wants
to lead the country, you want to think of them
as a servant who has reasons for wanting to do it.
And really you have to think of this as a
job to serve the people, and you have multiple reasons
(05:42):
in your heart that you feel passionate about.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
There's no passion there, and that's when.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You say, you know she can flip flop on this
and fracking that. These are all talking points. They are
talking points written by progressives. But she doesn't have the
convictions or the any gut feel on why she feels
that way. And that's why he can annihilate her in
a debate if he gets the messaging right.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, exactly, and that takes take a day or two,
mister president. You don't even have to like say that
all I'm going off to the prep. Just ten things
you got to remember. And then every time she brings
up something you say, but yeah, you support this, you
support that. She's the weather vane candidate. Basically, wherever the
wind blows, that's where Kamala Harris is going to go
as well, all for power, just to get into the
(06:26):
position so she could say she's the first female president
and then all the perks, the celebrity perks that go
along with it. So that's the Democratic Party today, not
your daddy's donkeys too.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I don't know if I don't know if there
are people on our side that feel like there's some
sort of shame in preparing for a debate by because
I know you feel like the same.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I feel, Hey, let's sit down and do it, because
having debated someone in a gubernatorial race, I know we
spent we spent several hours sitting there going through and
this question in this topic, and you just have it fresh.
It's just having it all fresh in your mind what
you want to talk about and making sure that you're
hitting the right points.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's critical, it is. I mean, you go on Fox
a lot. I'm on often. I guess this is one
way to put it. Somebody called me ubiquitous. Had to
look it up, but now I know that means you're everywhere.
But the point is that, yeah, every time I go on,
I kind of think of it as like Navy Seal
kind of prep without doing the Navy seal thing, because
you're going on in front of maybe two three four
(07:27):
million people. I was on during the RNC that had
to be what nine million people. And you never want
to be the um you know person right. You want
to have your back straight. You don't want to seem rehearsed.
That's bad too, Like be yourself like you're at a
happy hour. Don't use big words. You normally wouldn't that
sort of thing. But if you have a good stat ready,
and more importantly, have a good joke at the end.
That's the whole ky.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Toder, right, and that is that is one of Trump's
gifts is to be able to bring comedy into enlighten
the situation, and make people go, oh, my goodness. He's
under so much pressure and yet he still can find
joy and things.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Everybody is looking for a little joy right now because
the amount of pressure on the American people is kind
of through the roof, and everybody's trying to figure out
where they fait. I was just talking to someone else
about this idea that the Democrats have decided that segregation
is good. If you look at Kamala's campaign, it's segregated
by different genders, by different colors, by different races.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Everything is segregated. So we're looking at this right.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Now and it makes you feel like you have to
fit into a category. And I think that the American
people right now feel like, oh gosh, how do I talk?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What category do I fit into? How do I not offend?
What am I going to do? And who's going to
be her running mate?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And we watched this, I know it looks like you
talk about people to judge in the book, and I
think that we have a situation in Michigan where we're going,
oh gosh, he's here. Is he going to be the
running mate? And what do you say if you say anything?
Is it offensive because you know you don't fit into
the certain category that can talk about these things.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You're so right? I mean, I guess it's gay bashing
if I say, hmm. Pete Boodage was assigned to be
the Treasury secretary, nominated, confirmed, and then he goes on
to take two months paternity leave without telling anybody to
mind you to take care of his husband, who I
guess had to recover from childbirth. Like who needs two
months in an adoption situation? I'm not sure. And I
(09:24):
don't mind that. You know, you want to get to
know your baby, you want to take some weeks off.
I get it completely, But when you sign up to
be treasury secretary, maybe you work from home, and you
don't just take two months off without saying anything. And
I can't believe he didn't get a viscerator for that
or what happened in East Palestine, Ohio, where obviously he
had that situation where he didn't go for weeks and
months and I'm sorry about my earpiece. Weeks and months
(09:47):
before people were getting sick and he couldn't go there
because he's an elitist. And I think that's another part
of the book, Progressively Worse Tutor that is really important
to discuss. The forty richest congressional districts in this country
are all forty out of forty represented by Democrats, Right,
you know, the party of the workingman and woman, you
know back in the seventies and the eighties and the nineties.
They ain't that anymore. They're the party of elites. They're
(10:10):
the party of war. Right. We just sent what another
one point five billion over Ukraine. Tudor Dixon and Joe
Concac could be talking five years from now about the
stalemate in eastern Ukraine, how Ukraine can't drive Russia out
and Russia can't get the Kiev and they're just still
fighting and we're just still throwing money at the problem.
Democrats are the ones that are driving that. So, yeah,
this is your party now at this point where they
(10:31):
just represent the coastal elites. And that's why I think
ultimately Kamala Harris loses because I don't think she when
she has to speak anyway outside of a telepropter, can't
connect with workers steel workers in Ohio, or auto workers
in Michigan with that ev push, or people in Amergona.
She knows about it exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, she tried.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
These are not people who have tried, and they haven't tried.
They haven't had to try to connect, which is a
little frustrating because of this situation where the unions come
in and they unions put poor money into political campaigns
and the unions aren't necessary. I mean, I had a
woman come by my house the other day, just walking
past one of my neighbors, and she was like, man,
(11:10):
a few years back was when the UAW started calling
me and saying this is who you must vote for.
And she was like, that was really the first time
it was like you have to do this, And she
said it was such a shocking phone call. To me,
it was that I kind of like took a step
back and what do you mean I have to vote
for this person? And that to me is a new
(11:30):
level where you have these groups of people. The unions
have become very powerful, but off of the money of
the working people, and then they take that money and
they give it to the Gretchen Whitmer's of the world
and the Joe Biden's of the world.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And what are they doing.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, Gretchen Whitmer has taken a lot of Michigan
taxpayer dollars and put it into the Big Three, who
then haven't built the jobs that we said we were
going to get.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And so where is this? What is the endgame here?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Wow? Let me ask you a question. With the question,
I'm going to become the host. You're going to be
my guest now there, right, Like we've done this before.
So what are rank and file? I don't want to
hear about that in the heads of the unions, right
because they're always going to always total align with any
Democratic candidate. Rank and file like auto workers, for example,
you know the state better than anybody. Well, what are
they saying, because I can't see them saying yay Kamala
(12:19):
while their jobs are going to be threatened because of
this ev push that Biden Harris have really mandated. Obviously,
and obviously electric cars are easier to make than gas
powered cars. That's going to cost jobs. So I got
to think that they are still in Trump's corner even
if They're leaders are saying that they're with Harris.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think a lot are, but I think you have
to remember that they just went through that massive strike.
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I was running, you know, I come from manufacturing, and
so we had a shop here in West Michigan, and
I honestly figured, well, probably most of the guys that
worked in our shop are Democrats, because you know, that
was just kind of the way it was growing up.
And so many of them reached out to me like,
oh gosh, we love Donald Trump, we hope that you win.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
We were so supportive of this, and.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I was like, this is amazing because you know, they
saw our shop shut down, They've seen other shops shut
down in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's become a disaster. The policies of the left.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I mean, I've talked about this a couple of times now,
but people don't necessarily understand the impact of some of these.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Policies until it's too late.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Last week, the governor signed a bill that gives the
environmental agency in the state, the State Environmental Agency emergency powers,
and so if you're a farmer, if you're a manufacturer
in the state, You're going, oh, great, what are they
going to do now? Are they going to come and
take my farm? Are they going to come and shut
down my manufacturing company? You know, this is the kind
of stuff that I think that you get the raise
(16:07):
to answer your question about the UAW members. You get
the raise and go, okay, well, I'll do what they
want because they've helped me. But then the impact of
their policies doesn't hit for another five to ten years.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Then you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Wow, that's a lot like the media these days, tutor,
right where I think sixty five seventy percent probably are
ideologically Democrats, right, and they're going to report thusly and
they're going to cheer on obviously the Democratic Party and
try to be advocates and push them over the finish line.
Then I think there's another like thirty thirty five percent
that maybe they got into the business to be investigative
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reporters and to speak truth to power, regardless of the
letter next to your name, and then they quickly found
out that if they take on Democrats and actually investigate
Democrats and actually do their job, well, guess what that
doesn't get you a raise, that doesn't get your next contract,
that doesn't get you a contributorship. Whatever you're trying to get,
you're not going to get it unless you can form obey,
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and you kind of have to put your head down
and take it and just play the game, because you're thinking,
all right, maybe I got a family, maybe my career
is important. I got to support them. Therefore, I could
be a hero right now and try to be a rebel,
but I'm going to fail, so I might as well
just play along. So it sounds like auto workers and
media people ironically have the same problem. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But the media has been such a disaster.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean in Michigan, I would say that even at
the beginning of me running, the Detroit News was still
pretty moderate. People felt like it was a pretty good
news source and it needs to become so radically left
it but openly. I mean, now they will just post
repost posts from Gretchen Whitmer, like she'll do something that
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is just like some little comedy social media thing, and
the Detroit News repost like or their political editor reposts.
It's like there is no hiding the love for these politicians.
And I think that it became even worse when they thought, Okay,
she's going to run for president, We're going to be
a part of the pre score in DC. We'll move
with her, you know. And then it became lift her
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up even higher, keep lifting, keep lifting, because we want
to travel on her coattails, you know, we want to
be there beside her. And now in Michigan, the radical media,
and I think you talk about this too, the radical
media has had such an impact on the American people,
and people have said for years, if you can flip
the media, that's how you lose freedom in the country.
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And look, COVID was the ultimate time when the media flipped.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, that's right, COVID can't possibly come from a lab,
your conspiracy theorist. There is to you actually believe that.
I always thought that John Stewart, of all people, had
the best line around that. He said, well, let's say
there was an outbreak of chocolatey goodness in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Where do you think it came from? Exactly the same
thing with COVID. It's literally named the coronavirus. You know
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wuhan Center for studying these viruses. Maybe it came from there.
So that was a good moment. But in the book, yeah,
you're right about the media. I have a whole chapter
on CNN and the death of it, quite frankly, because
when I grew up, we had this guy named Bernard
Shaw who was like the face of CNN, and he
was a real journalist, Like he didn't care about going
on Stephen Colbert and didn't care about retweets and likes
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because social media didn't exist yet. He just was a
solid reporter. And now we see that like the face
of the network is like Jim Acosta and somehow Brian
Stelter who got fired and yet he's on the network
more than most people that they pay, so I don't
know how that happened. And Jeffy Tubman still on as well.
I mean, this guy got the shaft, right, I mean,
hands down the best legal analyst around. Sorry, sorry, I'm
showing my hanswer. By the way, I just want to
make sure we're all clear why this conversation's going. The
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point is CNN this was like the ultimate example of
the media pushing the Democratic Party as far left as
it's gone. It's twenty nineteen. They had twenty four people
I think running for the Democratic nominee, and CNN says, hey,
you know what, We're going to give each of you
an hour of airtime for a town hall, and all
the candidates like, that's great, because you know, you got
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to stand out. It's national branding, it's an invitation you
obviously accept. Then they said, oh, by the way, there's
a catch. However, every one of these town halls will
be about the end is exactly what they called it,
the climate crisis. So if you want to talk about economy, inflation, trade,
the border, immigration, foreign policy, nope, one topic for one hour,
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the climate crisis and what are you going to do
to save the earth. Basically, so these people had to
all agree with this and come out with these radical
positions because what else are they going to do. If
they don't do that, then the audience is going to
rebel against them. They don't show up, then they don't
get on national television, and they look like they're cowards,
I guess, And that's the end of it. So I
think that was like a prime example of the media
pushing a whole party in one direction, whether they liked
(20:40):
it or not.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oh, and that's how you create a Kamala Harris who
is no fracking in Pennsylvania's off the table, and we're
not going to do this. And then it comes down to, well,
now you are the candidate, and now you do have
to answer to the people, and so what is your
stance on this? And you've already said all this? And
now the funny thing to me is if she were
a Republican, she could never live it down. But how
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how is it all changing now?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The way it works is if you're a Democrat, you
never flip flop. You evolve on an issue. So Barack
Obama when he entered office, he opposed gay marriage, and
then he evolved. He saw the light. And boy, isn't
the greatest human beings that we could all really learn
from our mistakes and move with our positions because we've
become smarter as we get older. Remember that's what they
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said about Joe Biden. His experience, his age is his asset.
Behind closed doors, he's actually solving quadritic equations and he's
really Stephen Hawking. He's like John Nash, you know, he's
breaking codes. Right. That was the Russell Crowe movie with
a Beautiful Mind, which is one of my favorites. But anyway,
not to go off on a tangent. Yeah. So that's
the thing about the media at least that they have
no say no, they have some, but not nearly as
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much as they did when we were growing up. And
the reason why we know this is because they said
the Steele dossier was real, Hunter Biden's laptop was faked, discussed,
COVID didn't come from a lab, and Donald Trump is
a Russian agent. Actually, Joe Biden is vibrant and cogent,
and oh, Kamala Harris, she never was the borders are.
They keep saying this stuff over and over again, and
I think it plays well for the MSNBCC and end crowd,
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But I think objective Americans, particularly in swing state the
lake viewers like Michigan. And I'm wearing a Tiger slash
Dixon shirt here by the way, so let's let's make
that very clear. I don't think it flies ultimately, and
I think that's why Donald Trump's still the favorite despite
all this euphoria around Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I find it interesting you talked earlier about Bill
Clinton and having voted for Bill Clinton, But think about this.
When we were young, there wasn't a twenty four hour
news cycle, and certainly you never saw actual journalists come
out and say this man can never get elected, which
is shocking to me today to see people who say
they're journalists and they say Donald Trump can never get elected.
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We have to do everything we can to make sure
that this can never happen. And you know, all the
talk of threat, now, all of that in that talk,
I believe, because I've said this before, if you call
someone a threat, people feel like they need to eliminate
the threat. They're like, I got to get I've got
to save people from this. This is so dangerous once
you've been labeled as a threat, and then you have
people that they believe are credible coming out and saying
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that he's a threat. Now you talked about voting for
Bill Clinton. When I was in college, he came to
my college campus.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I went.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was the president of the United States. I went
and I didn't yell and scream. I wanted to just
go see what he had to say. And I don't
remember feeling like, oh, he wasn't my candidate or any
of that. I just thought, Oh, the president's coming, I'm
going to go see him. And now it's like, can
you imagine if Donald Trump went onto a college campus,
people would go out of their minds.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
They would have to go to the mental health center.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You're right, safe spaces, right. That was another thing that's
merged over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
They would probably say, he can't be on get the police,
he can't be on here.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh seriously. Yeah. I saw al Gore. I believe he
came to my campus, and I was you're right. I
was like, wow, it's a vice president. I'll go see
he already has to say. You know, I wasn't really
politically aligned in any way, shape or form. But that's
the thing. It's no longer about journalism. It's not even
about activism. It's activism, and I think provocative opinions that's
what gets you the likes, the retweets, and the pat
(24:12):
on the back. Quite frankly from the bosses. I don't
think that's the case at Fox. I think we try
to be we give opinion, sure, but I think they're
in some sort of reality where it's not like to
be provocative just to be provocative. I think they're honest opinions.
But yeah, I think that's what feels a lot of
this as well, that forget being a journalist and just
reporting the facts. Boy, isn't that boring. You're gonna get
a lot more money if you're the provocative person saying
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the provocative things, and that's what creates like the Don
Lemons of the world.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, and I see this, I mean I have seen
this certainly on both sides. Not I agree with you,
not on Fox, but just these influencers and the social media,
and they the constant threat out there and the heightened alert.
I guess I would say, there's somebody constantly pushing you
to be on heightened alert.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
This is dangerous, and this is dangerous. Or the hot take.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh gosh, the hot take drives me crazy in politics
because I got to say, on our side, a lot
of people have bad hot takes that just take off
and they hurt all of us.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Please stop with the hot take.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh that's true. Let's not just pretend like the left
exists on social media like AOC Swallowell shift and say
like really crazy things right where she did to leave
so on. I mean, Marjorie Tayler Green says some profoundly
crazy things. I'm sorry she does, And I think that's
why ultimately social media has been horrible for politicians. For some,
it's good, I guess because Trump could bypass the media.
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But we don't need to hear every inane thought that
goes through people's heads, especially after nine o'clock at night
when probably Tito's or Greg Goose or something else is
talking at that point. So I mean, like at Matt Gates,
I mean, you threw out Kevin McCarthy, You're like, yeah,
we got rid of them. Oh, what's your backup plan?
I don't know, you know, And then they went through
like like all these people before we finally got to
Mike Johnson. Then even his job was threatened. So Republicans
(25:55):
have to be more disciplined and act like the adults
in the room. I think that's what people are yearning for,
or a serious with serious problems and we need serious
people to solve them. An American president, which Michael Douglas
nineteen ninety five, I believe it was, well a Democrat,
don't figure.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
When I was running for governor, people were like, you
have to be serious on social media.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, you're not running for Congress, And I.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Thought, when did congress become something you could just be
a clown.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Why do you do say.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
That it's un approval. Yeah, I mean Congress is just trusted.
Is like gas station Assoshi at this point, which having
taken a road trip recently, don't ever ever do that, tutor.
That was my advice to You'll be a thing in Jersey,
more Michigan, but still not good.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, well, but I can see why.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But you I think one thing that you have to
remember and when you talk about, you know, some of
the crazy things that certain politicians will come out and say.
And this is what I say to my friends on
the Democrats side, Oh, how do you explain this and
this and this. I'm like, you, guys have to understand
that this person is representing a small part of the country.
When you are in Congress, you are representing just the
people in your district. You're not representing republic plans as
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a whole. You're not representing the whole country. You're representing
the people who elect you. And so I've had people
gosh this conversation lately. Honestly, just before we got on,
one of the gals in the office was saying that
even somebody that she knows was saying, well, if we
elect Donald Trump. He's going to get rid of contraception.
We won't have any more contraception. And I'm like, gosh,
(27:21):
I had the same conversation last week with one of
the girls that is my friend, that's a Democrat. Well,
we won't be able to have the pill anymore if
we get rid of or if we get Donald Trump
into office. And I'm like, man, these things.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Are so powerful.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But I said to them, I'm like, how would it
explain to me how it would happen? Because I said,
I get that you think that the Republicans are a
few certain congresswomen and women that you see all the time,
but most of them are not in strong red areas.
Most of them are in seats where they're always fighting.
They're not going to vote for something like that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
No one wants that.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
That's the thing. Rovers's way being struck down was the
most democratic thing you possibly could have done, because then
it went back to state referendums and votes and people
like that's the way it should be. So then people
are like, well, in Kansas, they're going to ban abortion.
It's going to be horrible. And then Kansas holds a
referendum and it passes quite easily, to protect the right
to abortion. And I'm not pro abortion any way, shape
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or form. I think that too many babies in this
country could be adopted. I know some friends that can't
have kids. They try, they try VF, they try everything,
and then they go to adopt and their only options
are like the Russian and the Chinese baby, and they
want an American baby, but it's going to cost a fortune.
So I think if we incentivize people more to all right,
if you could carry it to term, like in the
movie Juno, then maybe you get like a nice check
(28:40):
for the effort, so to speak, and that's that and
maybe people will think, well, that's cold, but no, actually
the baby stays alive, gets a happy home, and they
have parents that will appreciate having the baby because they
know how hard it was to adopt. But the point
is that Ohio, same thing. They passed a referendum to
protect abortion rights, and you could go down the line.
It should be a state by state issue. And actually
now there have been more abortion since Roe v. Wade
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struck down than before it. That's the stat en Del stats.
So that's why you tell your friend. But I just
can't believe adults when you have access to so much
information on your phone that you can look it up.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Oh, it's surprising how much they don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
They don't know because they watch MSNBC. Probably an idiot
will say that there's no accountability. No one gets fired
for lying on that network. Horse cnet for that.
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I'll just say one more thing on this, and that
is that my girlfriend said to me just a few
weeks ago. They said, be honest, if you had been elected,
we would not have been allowed to vote on abortion.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And I said, it was literally on the ballot with me.
Do you do you not understand how it works?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
And but I mean truly there is a And the
other girl that was there was like, on our seat,
our governor wouldn't let us. And I said, you guys,
the people put these amendments on. It's not the elected's
they don't get a choice. It was the people that
got these amendments on the ballot. And then the people
vote on it. And that's what Roe v. Wade of
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being overturned did. It sent it back to the people.
And so I said, if you are that passionate about
it in your state, then you should get a petition
together and you should try to put it on your ballot.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And you know, every.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
State's different, but the people get to make that choice
if that's what you're passionate about. But you're right, adults,
they just don't, don't. We have not educated people on
how government works.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
No. I mean I saw some sort of stat recently
Twitter where something like fifteen sixteen percent of people can
name even three Supreme Court justices. I mean, I'm not
saying I need to know all of them, right, all nine,
but ken you know of majority? I mean, particularly since
three were just not dominated not too long ago. Can
we do that? But no, they can't, Like some people
(32:03):
don't even know about certain amendments, just basic things. And
I think that goes back to our education system because
we're teaching way too much about gender identification, sexual orientation, race,
all those things instead of the basic blocking and tackling
things not just about government and our history and how
government works, but credit and how do I balance a checkbook,
And what does it mean when I get a credit
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card that has X amount of interest? So what happens
when I only pay the minimum amount? How much do
I have to save in order to afford a home
in my community? How much do I have to put down?
All those things? And I don't think our kids are
prepared whatsoever for things that matter most in life. Instead,
we're concentrating on all of these things, and we have
a very I don't want to say a dumb electorate,
(32:45):
but a miss and underinformed electorate. And that's what Democrats
really try to take advantage of.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Well, we also started testing to things like reading, writing,
and math, and then we said, because we have to
test to those things and our schools get money based
on the testing, then history will go by the wayside.
And so there's not as much requirement for history. And
if there is a requirement for history, then well you're
not testing to it. So it's not the big of
a deal if you don't do well in history.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean it really is. It's unintended consequences.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And I feel like that's something that I've been talking
to people about a lot lately. It's like, if you
see a law. Then you have to think about the
unintended consequences as well, Like, think about all the how
this can affect. If you think it's great that the
environmental agency has emergency powers, well think about what could
they do with it that I wouldn't like, you know
(33:33):
how much of my freedoms am I giving up for this?
It's like, you think it's great that the Michigan state
government came out and said, we're putting We're going to
take a billion and a half taxpayer dollars to build
housing to solve the housing crisis? Do you want the
government owning the housing?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Is not a good idea. No.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
In Jersey, we had this plastic bag van as the
worst idea in history because they charge now like twenty
five cents to you want a bag to walk out
of a grocery store with, but no one remembers to
bring back the bag to pack the bags up again.
So now we have this overwhelming like surplus of plastic
bags that are going into the garbage and eventually back
into the environment. It's like a horrible thing. Or electric vehicles,
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I mean, that's the best example. I lived in Hoboken,
New Jersey for a while. It's it's like a small city, right,
and most of the apartments don't have garages. You got
to park on the street. So I'm wondering, Okay, if
I am mandated like I am in New Jersey, then
I can only buy electric vehicles. That's gonna happen. Where
am I charging this thing? Exactly right? Or what happens
(34:35):
when I break down, I run out of gasol or
I run out of my charge in this case, right,
what tow truck has the charger on it to come
out and charge me up? And oh, by the way,
it's gonna take like four hours, right. Oh, and by
the way, I don't have sixty thousand dollars laying around
to buy one of these things. So symbolism is great
until it meets actual reality. And it was the same
thing with the border. All right, everybody come on over,
(34:55):
it's fine, open arms. And I was like, uh, oh, boy,
that's doing horrible things too, like Detroit's surpl a budget, right,
because now you have to allocate all this money away
from sanitation, police and education to people that aren't supposed
to be here and we're supposed to take care of
them now. So again, rhetoric meets reality. That's what I
was going for, and the book talks a lot about that,
how reality reality bites at this point because the rhetoric
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got us to this place in the first place.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I mean, you make us such a great point.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Though.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
We have this new apartment like complex. I mean there's
tons of apartments in this it just just was built.
And I think about the size of the parking lot
there alone, and I haven't really thought about that. But
where would you charge your car if you all had
right exactly? That's yes, I guess you would have to
(35:42):
have one connected. Then you have to pay for the energy,
and then how does the energy? Then you do you
rip up the whole parking lot and put these I mean,
it's just it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Right. Is a landlord responsible for putting in the chargers?
Or do I buy the charger? And even though I'm renting,
I could plant it in the ground. I mean I
did this one time in my apartment in Hoboken where
I wanted the NFL Sunday ticket, so I got a
direct TV dish and put it up on the roof.
Landlady was not happy about that at all. You can't
do that. I'm like but I rend here, but you
don't own you can't put things on the roof, and
then she threw me out like ten months later. Anyway,
(36:12):
I probably should be sharing this, but it led me
eventually marrying my wife, so I guess it worked out
pretty well.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah. See God always has a good plan.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, all right, so, and he had a good plan
when he told you to write a book.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So I want you.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm going to hold it up again. Tell everybody where
they can get this Amazon.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I never step foot in a ball anymore. I don't
about you, but I guess I should say, oh, I
know Amazon, you have it in a day, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Or charge my vehicle there exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
That's Barnes and Noble or wherever you buy books. But yeah,
you can get it pretty much everywhere, and it's selling
really well, and it's fun. I think it's like this conversation.
It's about serious stuff. Yeah, but I don't want to
be like the angry guy that yells at you for
two hundred and eighty two pages. So I think you
read it, you'll you'll like it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
And I think that I think it's fun and to
the point of you can read it and then get
points for conversation, and I think that's always important right
now because we are I think more and more people
are trying to have conversation. But you get asked something
and you don't know how to answer it, and you
got to read something like this so that you know
how to answer it.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Boom, see you get ten percent now because that was
that was a good selling question. Thank you to you, Tutor,
and thank you for having me. This was fun.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Absolutely, this book right here is going to help you
with Christmas dinner. So every time Sunday family dinner. And
I'll hope you know. Thank you Joe Conca. It's always
a pleasure to talk to you. And I appreciate you
coming on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Thank you, Team Dixon.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Go ahead, thank you Team Dickson.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yes, thank you all for always being on Team Dixon.
I appreciate you being here on the podcast. Make sure
you go to iHeartRadio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcasts to join us next time on the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have Joe Conca
with me today. You probably know him from Fox News,
but he is also the author of the new book
Progressively Worse, And I love this.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's like, progressively worse.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Why today's Democrats ain't your daddy's donkeys. So, you know,
it's so funny to me because you were just talking
about your daughter.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I have four girls, and my.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Daughter the other day was like, are they offended that
you call them the donkeys?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And I'm like, it's funny that you know that that
should be offend some mine. I just think it's appropriate.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
You know, who came up with this idea, you know,
let's make the party mascot a jackass. That's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's so appropriate.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I mean, at least with the GOP you have, you know,
an elephant that's a big, strong animal, I mean donkey.
Like that's the best you can come up with me.
I went to the University of Maryland. We had a
turtle that was basically our mascot, the Terrapins. I'm like,
we wait, we're our signal of strength is a slow
underwater turtle probably going to beat Michigan. The Wolverines or
the buck guys, the guys. It's the way it goes.
(01:02):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
But I'll take it for them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And I think it's very interesting because, I mean, there's
so much in here that's interesting. You talk about JFK
being like the Maga president and how much different it
is today, and in my.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Book, I just go through the radical transition that this
party has made. I mean, I admit this in the book.
I voted for a Clinton for president once, No, not Hillary,
when I was very young. My first election that I
could vote in, I voted for Bill Clinton. The reason
why I was I looked at the country in nineteen
ninety six, and we had peace, and we had prosperity,
and I saw a president who was willing to work
(01:37):
with Nuke Gingridge, a Republican House speaker to pass things
like balance budget amendments like don't spend me you don't
have Wow, that's a radical idea. Then we had budget
surpluses at the end of the nineties. This is the
guy Clinton who said the era of big government is over,
and he passes welfare reform. He talked about deporting illegal immigrants,
made Donald Trump sound like a wallflower today and you're like, wow,
(01:58):
I can agree with all these things a crime bill,
I can agree with all these things. Uh, and now
you see what their nominee supports, tutor as far as
you want to banfracking. If you live in Pennsylvania, you're
probably happy about that, right are.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
They talking about that?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean, but the other bizarre thing is this ability
to just change everything overnight.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I mean I've said.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
To people, I've talked to people just in this past
week about what exactly is going on because everybody's unprecedented, unprecedented, unprecedented.
This is a total I mean every day, right, every
day is something unprecedented. And they're like, well, how did
this happen? And I had somebody say, well, why isn't
he going to debate Kamala? Why is he now backing
off of that? I said, whoa would you at this
(02:40):
point until she is the actual nominee? I mean, why
give them another mulligan? And what if she's what if
she tanks right after the debate and then they go, oh,
you know what, We're going to pick someone else. I
mean they should we should never have debated this early.
The idea that they get rid of their nominee is shocking.
And now they've they disappear everything about Kamala Harris. They
(03:01):
just and they have the media on their side. This
is communist propaganda. I mean, we've never seen anything like
this where your entire history can be disappeared if you
are on the left, and.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think you're a common sense person. I'm a common
sense person. Now we're parents, and we like to do
fun things and we're happily married, all that fun stuff.
And that's the thing about all of this. We don't
use hyperbolic terms like Marxist or Communist or Soviet, but
I'm using them now because how else can you describe
a candidate who ran in twenty twenty, didn't even get
to twenty twenty, therefore did not get one Democratic vote
(03:33):
when she ran for president, Kamala Harris, And now in
twenty twenty four, she's the nominee again without getting one vote,
and then they turn around to make their bumper sticker, Yeah,
we're the party that's going to save democracy. You're like,
what are you talking about? And I would think that
the media would be saying, wait a minute. All these
days and Kamala Harris hasn't held a press conference, won't
even sit down with one reporter, won't take any questions.
(03:55):
They should be really pissed off right now, and instead
the pomp poms are out. Yeah, kamal lot, is that
what New York Magazine had on their cover. It's crazy,
But I think this eventually goes away and it all
comes down to that debate against Trump, because I think
Kamala Harris is the same as Joe Biden in the
sense square tutor. If you take her out of a teleprompter,
you take her away from pre written, scripted remarks. There's
(04:17):
something broken in that brain where she doesn't know how
to defend any of her past positions. And I could
go through the top ten right now. We talked about fracking.
She wants to ban that she get backtrack and that
all she wants. She said she's one hundred percent supporting
banning fracking. You can't walk back those words. She wants
to end the fossil fuel industry. She wants to end
all offshore drilling. That's three. Four, she wants to abolish ice. Five.
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She does not support in any way, shape or form,
border wall construction. Six, she supports sanctuary cities. Seven. She
supports ending private health insurance. Eight, she supports actually giving
free healthcare to illegals. Nine she supports late term abortions.
Ten she supports expanding the Supreme Court, and okay, the
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Honorable Mention wants to end the filibuster as well. These
are radical things that no Americans agree with. And if
Donald Trump prepares, and he has to, I understand he
likes to be authentic, and you're right prepared for basically
get those ten things down and hammer her on that.
Stay away from DEI you're dumb. You're this year that
hit her on policy and she'll fold, just like Joe
Biden did in Atlanta June twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
But you make a great point, and I think this
is something that people on the left don't see, but
we need to keep pointing it out, is that she
has no true convictions. If you have somebody that wants
to lead the country, you want to think of them
as a servant who has reasons for wanting to do it.
And really you have to think of this as a
job to serve the people, and you have multiple reasons
(05:42):
in your heart that you feel passionate about.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
There's no passion there, and that's when.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You say, you know she can flip flop on this
and fracking that. These are all talking points. They are
talking points written by progressives. But she doesn't have the
convictions or the any gut feel on why she feels
that way. And that's why he can annihilate her in
a debate if he gets the messaging right.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, exactly, and that takes take a day or two,
mister president. You don't even have to like say that
all I'm going off to the prep. Just ten things
you got to remember. And then every time she brings
up something you say, but yeah, you support this, you
support that. She's the weather vane candidate. Basically, wherever the
wind blows, that's where Kamala Harris is going to go
as well, all for power, just to get into the
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position so she could say she's the first female president
and then all the perks, the celebrity perks that go
along with it. So that's the Democratic Party today, not
your daddy's donkeys too.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I don't know if I don't know if there
are people on our side that feel like there's some
sort of shame in preparing for a debate by because
I know you feel like the same.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I feel, Hey, let's sit down and do it, because
having debated someone in a gubernatorial race, I know we
spent we spent several hours sitting there going through and
this question in this topic, and you just have it fresh.
It's just having it all fresh in your mind what
you want to talk about and making sure that you're
hitting the right points.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's critical, it is. I mean, you go on Fox
a lot. I'm on often. I guess this is one
way to put it. Somebody called me ubiquitous. Had to
look it up, but now I know that means you're everywhere.
But the point is that, yeah, every time I go on,
I kind of think of it as like Navy Seal
kind of prep without doing the Navy seal thing, because
you're going on in front of maybe two three four
(07:27):
million people. I was on during the RNC that had
to be what nine million people. And you never want
to be the um you know person right. You want
to have your back straight. You don't want to seem rehearsed.
That's bad too, Like be yourself like you're at a
happy hour. Don't use big words. You normally wouldn't that
sort of thing. But if you have a good stat ready,
and more importantly, have a good joke at the end.
That's the whole ky.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Toder, right, and that is that is one of Trump's
gifts is to be able to bring comedy into enlighten
the situation, and make people go, oh, my goodness. He's
under so much pressure and yet he still can find
joy and things.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Everybody is looking for a little joy right now because
the amount of pressure on the American people is kind
of through the roof, and everybody's trying to figure out
where they fait. I was just talking to someone else
about this idea that the Democrats have decided that segregation
is good. If you look at Kamala's campaign, it's segregated
by different genders, by different colors, by different races.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Everything is segregated. So we're looking at this right.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Now and it makes you feel like you have to
fit into a category. And I think that the American
people right now feel like, oh gosh, how do I talk?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What category do I fit into? How do I not offend?
What am I going to do? And who's going to
be her running mate?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And we watched this, I know it looks like you
talk about people to judge in the book, and I
think that we have a situation in Michigan where we're going,
oh gosh, he's here. Is he going to be the
running mate? And what do you say if you say anything?
Is it offensive because you know you don't fit into
the certain category that can talk about these things.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You're so right? I mean, I guess it's gay bashing
if I say, hmm. Pete Boodage was assigned to be
the Treasury secretary, nominated, confirmed, and then he goes on
to take two months paternity leave without telling anybody to
mind you to take care of his husband, who I
guess had to recover from childbirth. Like who needs two
months in an adoption situation? I'm not sure. And I
(09:24):
don't mind that. You know, you want to get to
know your baby, you want to take some weeks off.
I get it completely, But when you sign up to
be treasury secretary, maybe you work from home, and you
don't just take two months off without saying anything. And
I can't believe he didn't get a viscerator for that
or what happened in East Palestine, Ohio, where obviously he
had that situation where he didn't go for weeks and
months and I'm sorry about my earpiece. Weeks and months
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before people were getting sick and he couldn't go there
because he's an elitist. And I think that's another part
of the book, Progressively Worse Tutor that is really important
to discuss. The forty richest congressional districts in this country
are all forty out of forty represented by Democrats, Right,
you know, the party of the workingman and woman, you
know back in the seventies and the eighties and the nineties.
They ain't that anymore. They're the party of elites. They're
(10:10):
the party of war. Right. We just sent what another
one point five billion over Ukraine. Tudor Dixon and Joe
Concac could be talking five years from now about the
stalemate in eastern Ukraine, how Ukraine can't drive Russia out
and Russia can't get the Kiev and they're just still
fighting and we're just still throwing money at the problem.
Democrats are the ones that are driving that. So, yeah,
this is your party now at this point where they
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just represent the coastal elites. And that's why I think
ultimately Kamala Harris loses because I don't think she when
she has to speak anyway outside of a telepropter, can't
connect with workers steel workers in Ohio, or auto workers
in Michigan with that ev push, or people in Amergona.
She knows about it exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, she tried.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
These are not people who have tried, and they haven't tried.
They haven't had to try to connect, which is a
little frustrating because of this situation where the unions come
in and they unions put poor money into political campaigns
and the unions aren't necessary. I mean, I had a
woman come by my house the other day, just walking
past one of my neighbors, and she was like, man,
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a few years back was when the UAW started calling
me and saying this is who you must vote for.
And she was like, that was really the first time
it was like you have to do this, And she
said it was such a shocking phone call. To me,
it was that I kind of like took a step
back and what do you mean I have to vote
for this person? And that to me is a new
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level where you have these groups of people. The unions
have become very powerful, but off of the money of
the working people, and then they take that money and
they give it to the Gretchen Whitmer's of the world
and the Joe Biden's of the world.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And what are they doing.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, Gretchen Whitmer has taken a lot of Michigan
taxpayer dollars and put it into the Big Three, who
then haven't built the jobs that we said we were
going to get.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And so where is this? What is the endgame here?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Wow? Let me ask you a question. With the question,
I'm going to become the host. You're going to be
my guest now there, right, Like we've done this before.
So what are rank and file? I don't want to
hear about that in the heads of the unions, right
because they're always going to always total align with any
Democratic candidate. Rank and file like auto workers, for example,
you know the state better than anybody. Well, what are
they saying, because I can't see them saying yay Kamala
(12:19):
while their jobs are going to be threatened because of
this ev push that Biden Harris have really mandated. Obviously,
and obviously electric cars are easier to make than gas
powered cars. That's going to cost jobs. So I got
to think that they are still in Trump's corner even
if They're leaders are saying that they're with Harris.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think a lot are, but I think you have
to remember that they just went through that massive strike.
They got the biggest increase they've ever seen. A lot
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I was running, you know, I come from manufacturing, and
so we had a shop here in West Michigan, and
I honestly figured, well, probably most of the guys that
worked in our shop are Democrats, because you know, that
was just kind of the way it was growing up.
And so many of them reached out to me like,
oh gosh, we love Donald Trump, we hope that you win.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
We were so supportive of this, and.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I was like, this is amazing because you know, they
saw our shop shut down, They've seen other shops shut
down in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's become a disaster. The policies of the left.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I mean, I've talked about this a couple of times now,
but people don't necessarily understand the impact of some of these.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Policies until it's too late.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Last week, the governor signed a bill that gives the
environmental agency in the state, the State Environmental Agency emergency powers,
and so if you're a farmer, if you're a manufacturer
in the state, You're going, oh, great, what are they
going to do now? Are they going to come and
take my farm? Are they going to come and shut
down my manufacturing company? You know, this is the kind
of stuff that I think that you get the raise
(16:07):
to answer your question about the UAW members. You get
the raise and go, okay, well, I'll do what they
want because they've helped me. But then the impact of
their policies doesn't hit for another five to ten years.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Then you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Wow, that's a lot like the media these days, tutor,
right where I think sixty five seventy percent probably are
ideologically Democrats, right, and they're going to report thusly and
they're going to cheer on obviously the Democratic Party and
try to be advocates and push them over the finish line.
Then I think there's another like thirty thirty five percent
that maybe they got into the business to be investigative
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reporters and to speak truth to power, regardless of the
letter next to your name, and then they quickly found
out that if they take on Democrats and actually investigate
Democrats and actually do their job, well, guess what that
doesn't get you a raise, that doesn't get your next contract,
that doesn't get you a contributorship. Whatever you're trying to get,
you're not going to get it unless you can form obey,
(17:01):
and you kind of have to put your head down
and take it and just play the game, because you're thinking,
all right, maybe I got a family, maybe my career
is important. I got to support them. Therefore, I could
be a hero right now and try to be a rebel,
but I'm going to fail, so I might as well
just play along. So it sounds like auto workers and
media people ironically have the same problem. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But the media has been such a disaster.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean in Michigan, I would say that even at
the beginning of me running, the Detroit News was still
pretty moderate. People felt like it was a pretty good
news source and it needs to become so radically left
it but openly. I mean, now they will just post
repost posts from Gretchen Whitmer, like she'll do something that
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is just like some little comedy social media thing, and
the Detroit News repost like or their political editor reposts.
It's like there is no hiding the love for these politicians.
And I think that it became even worse when they thought, Okay,
she's going to run for president, We're going to be
a part of the pre score in DC. We'll move
with her, you know. And then it became lift her
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up even higher, keep lifting, keep lifting, because we want
to travel on her coattails, you know, we want to
be there beside her. And now in Michigan, the radical media,
and I think you talk about this too, the radical
media has had such an impact on the American people,
and people have said for years, if you can flip
the media, that's how you lose freedom in the country.
(18:25):
And look, COVID was the ultimate time when the media flipped.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, that's right, COVID can't possibly come from a lab,
your conspiracy theorist. There is to you actually believe that.
I always thought that John Stewart, of all people, had
the best line around that. He said, well, let's say
there was an outbreak of chocolatey goodness in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Where do you think it came from? Exactly the same
thing with COVID. It's literally named the coronavirus. You know
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wuhan Center for studying these viruses. Maybe it came from there.
So that was a good moment. But in the book, yeah,
you're right about the media. I have a whole chapter
on CNN and the death of it, quite frankly, because
when I grew up, we had this guy named Bernard
Shaw who was like the face of CNN, and he
was a real journalist, Like he didn't care about going
on Stephen Colbert and didn't care about retweets and likes
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because social media didn't exist yet. He just was a
solid reporter. And now we see that like the face
of the network is like Jim Acosta and somehow Brian
Stelter who got fired and yet he's on the network
more than most people that they pay, so I don't
know how that happened. And Jeffy Tubman still on as well.
I mean, this guy got the shaft, right, I mean,
hands down the best legal analyst around. Sorry, sorry, I'm
showing my hanswer. By the way, I just want to
make sure we're all clear why this conversation's going. The
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point is CNN this was like the ultimate example of
the media pushing the Democratic Party as far left as
it's gone. It's twenty nineteen. They had twenty four people
I think running for the Democratic nominee, and CNN says, hey,
you know what, We're going to give each of you
an hour of airtime for a town hall, and all
the candidates like, that's great, because you know, you got
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to stand out. It's national branding, it's an invitation you
obviously accept. Then they said, oh, by the way, there's
a catch. However, every one of these town halls will
be about the end is exactly what they called it,
the climate crisis. So if you want to talk about economy, inflation, trade,
the border, immigration, foreign policy, nope, one topic for one hour,
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the climate crisis and what are you going to do
to save the earth. Basically, so these people had to
all agree with this and come out with these radical
positions because what else are they going to do. If
they don't do that, then the audience is going to
rebel against them. They don't show up, then they don't
get on national television, and they look like they're cowards,
I guess, And that's the end of it. So I
think that was like a prime example of the media
pushing a whole party in one direction, whether they liked
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it or not.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Oh, and that's how you create a Kamala Harris who
is no fracking in Pennsylvania's off the table, and we're
not going to do this. And then it comes down to, well,
now you are the candidate, and now you do have
to answer to the people, and so what is your
stance on this? And you've already said all this? And
now the funny thing to me is if she were
a Republican, she could never live it down. But how
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how is it all changing now?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The way it works is if you're a Democrat, you
never flip flop. You evolve on an issue. So Barack
Obama when he entered office, he opposed gay marriage, and
then he evolved. He saw the light. And boy, isn't
the greatest human beings that we could all really learn
from our mistakes and move with our positions because we've
become smarter as we get older. Remember that's what they
(21:29):
said about Joe Biden. His experience, his age is his asset.
Behind closed doors, he's actually solving quadritic equations and he's
really Stephen Hawking. He's like John Nash, you know, he's
breaking codes. Right. That was the Russell Crowe movie with
a Beautiful Mind, which is one of my favorites. But anyway,
not to go off on a tangent. Yeah. So that's
the thing about the media at least that they have
no say no, they have some, but not nearly as
(21:52):
much as they did when we were growing up. And
the reason why we know this is because they said
the Steele dossier was real, Hunter Biden's laptop was faked, discussed,
COVID didn't come from a lab, and Donald Trump is
a Russian agent. Actually, Joe Biden is vibrant and cogent,
and oh, Kamala Harris, she never was the borders are.
They keep saying this stuff over and over again, and
I think it plays well for the MSNBCC and end crowd,
(22:14):
But I think objective Americans, particularly in swing state the
lake viewers like Michigan. And I'm wearing a Tiger slash
Dixon shirt here by the way, so let's let's make
that very clear. I don't think it flies ultimately, and
I think that's why Donald Trump's still the favorite despite
all this euphoria around Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I find it interesting you talked earlier about Bill
Clinton and having voted for Bill Clinton, But think about this.
When we were young, there wasn't a twenty four hour
news cycle, and certainly you never saw actual journalists come
out and say this man can never get elected, which
is shocking to me today to see people who say
they're journalists and they say Donald Trump can never get elected.
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We have to do everything we can to make sure
that this can never happen. And you know, all the
talk of threat, now, all of that in that talk,
I believe, because I've said this before, if you call
someone a threat, people feel like they need to eliminate
the threat. They're like, I got to get I've got
to save people from this. This is so dangerous once
you've been labeled as a threat, and then you have
people that they believe are credible coming out and saying
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that he's a threat. Now you talked about voting for
Bill Clinton. When I was in college, he came to
my college campus.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I went.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was the president of the United States. I went
and I didn't yell and scream. I wanted to just
go see what he had to say. And I don't
remember feeling like, oh, he wasn't my candidate or any
of that. I just thought, Oh, the president's coming, I'm
going to go see him. And now it's like, can
you imagine if Donald Trump went onto a college campus,
people would go out of their minds.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
They would have to go to the mental health center.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
You're right, safe spaces, right. That was another thing that's
merged over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
They would probably say, he can't be on get the police,
he can't be on here.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh seriously. Yeah. I saw al Gore. I believe he
came to my campus, and I was you're right. I
was like, wow, it's a vice president. I'll go see
he already has to say. You know, I wasn't really
politically aligned in any way, shape or form. But that's
the thing. It's no longer about journalism. It's not even
about activism. It's activism, and I think provocative opinions that's
what gets you the likes, the retweets, and the pat
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on the back. Quite frankly from the bosses. I don't
think that's the case at Fox. I think we try
to be we give opinion, sure, but I think they're
in some sort of reality where it's not like to
be provocative just to be provocative. I think they're honest opinions.
But yeah, I think that's what feels a lot of
this as well, that forget being a journalist and just
reporting the facts. Boy, isn't that boring. You're gonna get
a lot more money if you're the provocative person saying
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the provocative things, and that's what creates like the Don
Lemons of the world.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, and I see this, I mean I have seen
this certainly on both sides. Not I agree with you,
not on Fox, but just these influencers and the social media,
and they the constant threat out there and the heightened alert.
I guess I would say, there's somebody constantly pushing you
to be on heightened alert.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
This is dangerous, and this is dangerous. Or the hot take.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh gosh, the hot take drives me crazy in politics
because I got to say, on our side, a lot
of people have bad hot takes that just take off
and they hurt all of us.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Please stop with the hot take.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Oh that's true. Let's not just pretend like the left
exists on social media like AOC Swallowell shift and say
like really crazy things right where she did to leave
so on. I mean, Marjorie Tayler Green says some profoundly
crazy things. I'm sorry she does, And I think that's
why ultimately social media has been horrible for politicians. For some,
it's good, I guess because Trump could bypass the media.
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But we don't need to hear every inane thought that
goes through people's heads, especially after nine o'clock at night
when probably Tito's or Greg Goose or something else is
talking at that point. So I mean, like at Matt Gates,
I mean, you threw out Kevin McCarthy, You're like, yeah,
we got rid of them. Oh, what's your backup plan?
I don't know, you know, And then they went through
like like all these people before we finally got to
Mike Johnson. Then even his job was threatened. So Republicans
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have to be more disciplined and act like the adults
in the room. I think that's what people are yearning for,
or a serious with serious problems and we need serious
people to solve them. An American president, which Michael Douglas
nineteen ninety five, I believe it was, well a Democrat,
don't figure.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
When I was running for governor, people were like, you
have to be serious on social media.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, you're not running for Congress, And I.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Thought, when did congress become something you could just be
a clown.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Why do you do say.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
That it's un approval. Yeah, I mean Congress is just trusted.
Is like gas station Assoshi at this point, which having
taken a road trip recently, don't ever ever do that, tutor.
That was my advice to You'll be a thing in Jersey,
more Michigan, but still not good.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, well, but I can see why.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But you I think one thing that you have to
remember and when you talk about, you know, some of
the crazy things that certain politicians will come out and say.
And this is what I say to my friends on
the Democrats side, Oh, how do you explain this and
this and this. I'm like, you, guys have to understand
that this person is representing a small part of the country.
When you are in Congress, you are representing just the
people in your district. You're not representing republic plans as
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a whole. You're not representing the whole country. You're representing
the people who elect you. And so I've had people
gosh this conversation lately. Honestly, just before we got on,
one of the gals in the office was saying that
even somebody that she knows was saying, well, if we
elect Donald Trump. He's going to get rid of contraception.
We won't have any more contraception. And I'm like, gosh,
(27:21):
I had the same conversation last week with one of
the girls that is my friend, that's a Democrat. Well,
we won't be able to have the pill anymore if
we get rid of or if we get Donald Trump
into office. And I'm like, man, these things.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Are so powerful.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But I said to them, I'm like, how would it
explain to me how it would happen? Because I said,
I get that you think that the Republicans are a
few certain congresswomen and women that you see all the time,
but most of them are not in strong red areas.
Most of them are in seats where they're always fighting.
They're not going to vote for something like that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
No one wants that.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
That's the thing. Rovers's way being struck down was the
most democratic thing you possibly could have done, because then
it went back to state referendums and votes and people
like that's the way it should be. So then people
are like, well, in Kansas, they're going to ban abortion.
It's going to be horrible. And then Kansas holds a
referendum and it passes quite easily, to protect the right
to abortion. And I'm not pro abortion any way, shape
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or form. I think that too many babies in this
country could be adopted. I know some friends that can't
have kids. They try, they try VF, they try everything,
and then they go to adopt and their only options
are like the Russian and the Chinese baby, and they
want an American baby, but it's going to cost a fortune.
So I think if we incentivize people more to all right,
if you could carry it to term, like in the
movie Juno, then maybe you get like a nice check
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for the effort, so to speak, and that's that and
maybe people will think, well, that's cold, but no, actually
the baby stays alive, gets a happy home, and they
have parents that will appreciate having the baby because they
know how hard it was to adopt. But the point
is that Ohio, same thing. They passed a referendum to
protect abortion rights, and you could go down the line.
It should be a state by state issue. And actually
now there have been more abortion since Roe v. Wade
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struck down than before it. That's the stat en Del stats.
So that's why you tell your friend. But I just
can't believe adults when you have access to so much
information on your phone that you can look it up.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Oh, it's surprising how much they don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
They don't know because they watch MSNBC. Probably an idiot
will say that there's no accountability. No one gets fired
for lying on that network. Horse cnet for that.
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I'll just say one more thing on this, and that
is that my girlfriend said to me just a few
weeks ago. They said, be honest, if you had been elected,
we would not have been allowed to vote on abortion.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And I said, it was literally on the ballot with me.
Do you do you not understand how it works?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
And but I mean truly there is a And the
other girl that was there was like, on our seat,
our governor wouldn't let us. And I said, you guys,
the people put these amendments on. It's not the elected's
they don't get a choice. It was the people that
got these amendments on the ballot. And then the people
vote on it. And that's what Roe v. Wade of
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being overturned did. It sent it back to the people.
And so I said, if you are that passionate about
it in your state, then you should get a petition
together and you should try to put it on your ballot.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And you know, every.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
State's different, but the people get to make that choice
if that's what you're passionate about. But you're right, adults,
they just don't, don't. We have not educated people on
how government works.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
No. I mean I saw some sort of stat recently
Twitter where something like fifteen sixteen percent of people can
name even three Supreme Court justices. I mean, I'm not
saying I need to know all of them, right, all nine,
but ken you know of majority? I mean, particularly since
three were just not dominated not too long ago. Can
we do that? But no, they can't, Like some people
(32:03):
don't even know about certain amendments, just basic things. And
I think that goes back to our education system because
we're teaching way too much about gender identification, sexual orientation, race,
all those things instead of the basic blocking and tackling
things not just about government and our history and how
government works, but credit and how do I balance a checkbook,
And what does it mean when I get a credit
(32:25):
card that has X amount of interest? So what happens
when I only pay the minimum amount? How much do
I have to save in order to afford a home
in my community? How much do I have to put down?
All those things? And I don't think our kids are
prepared whatsoever for things that matter most in life. Instead,
we're concentrating on all of these things, and we have
a very I don't want to say a dumb electorate,
(32:45):
but a miss and underinformed electorate. And that's what Democrats
really try to take advantage of.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Well, we also started testing to things like reading, writing,
and math, and then we said, because we have to
test to those things and our schools get money based
on the testing, then history will go by the wayside.
And so there's not as much requirement for history. And
if there is a requirement for history, then well you're
not testing to it. So it's not the big of
a deal if you don't do well in history.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean it really is. It's unintended consequences.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And I feel like that's something that I've been talking
to people about a lot lately. It's like, if you
see a law. Then you have to think about the
unintended consequences as well, Like, think about all the how
this can affect. If you think it's great that the
environmental agency has emergency powers, well think about what could
they do with it that I wouldn't like, you know
(33:33):
how much of my freedoms am I giving up for this?
It's like, you think it's great that the Michigan state
government came out and said, we're putting We're going to
take a billion and a half taxpayer dollars to build
housing to solve the housing crisis? Do you want the
government owning the housing?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Is not a good idea. No.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
In Jersey, we had this plastic bag van as the
worst idea in history because they charge now like twenty
five cents to you want a bag to walk out
of a grocery store with, but no one remembers to
bring back the bag to pack the bags up again.
So now we have this overwhelming like surplus of plastic
bags that are going into the garbage and eventually back
into the environment. It's like a horrible thing. Or electric vehicles,
(34:15):
I mean, that's the best example. I lived in Hoboken,
New Jersey for a while. It's it's like a small city, right,
and most of the apartments don't have garages. You got
to park on the street. So I'm wondering, Okay, if
I am mandated like I am in New Jersey, then
I can only buy electric vehicles. That's gonna happen. Where
am I charging this thing? Exactly right? Or what happens
(34:35):
when I break down, I run out of gasol or
I run out of my charge in this case, right,
what tow truck has the charger on it to come
out and charge me up? And oh, by the way,
it's gonna take like four hours, right. Oh, and by
the way, I don't have sixty thousand dollars laying around
to buy one of these things. So symbolism is great
until it meets actual reality. And it was the same
thing with the border. All right, everybody come on over,
(34:55):
it's fine, open arms. And I was like, uh, oh, boy,
that's doing horrible things too, like Detroit's surpl a budget, right,
because now you have to allocate all this money away
from sanitation, police and education to people that aren't supposed
to be here and we're supposed to take care of
them now. So again, rhetoric meets reality. That's what I
was going for, and the book talks a lot about that,
how reality reality bites at this point because the rhetoric
(35:17):
got us to this place in the first place.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I mean, you make us such a great point.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Though.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
We have this new apartment like complex. I mean there's
tons of apartments in this it just just was built.
And I think about the size of the parking lot
there alone, and I haven't really thought about that. But
where would you charge your car if you all had
right exactly? That's yes, I guess you would have to
(35:42):
have one connected. Then you have to pay for the energy,
and then how does the energy? Then you do you
rip up the whole parking lot and put these I mean,
it's just it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Right. Is a landlord responsible for putting in the chargers?
Or do I buy the charger? And even though I'm renting,
I could plant it in the ground. I mean I
did this one time in my apartment in Hoboken where
I wanted the NFL Sunday ticket, so I got a
direct TV dish and put it up on the roof.
Landlady was not happy about that at all. You can't
do that. I'm like but I rend here, but you
don't own you can't put things on the roof, and
then she threw me out like ten months later. Anyway,
(36:12):
I probably should be sharing this, but it led me
eventually marrying my wife, so I guess it worked out
pretty well.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah. See God always has a good plan.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, all right, so, and he had a good plan
when he told you to write a book.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So I want you.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I'm going to hold it up again. Tell everybody where
they can get this Amazon.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I never step foot in a ball anymore. I don't
about you, but I guess I should say, oh, I
know Amazon, you have it in a day, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Or charge my vehicle there exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
That's Barnes and Noble or wherever you buy books. But yeah,
you can get it pretty much everywhere, and it's selling
really well, and it's fun. I think it's like this conversation.
It's about serious stuff. Yeah, but I don't want to
be like the angry guy that yells at you for
two hundred and eighty two pages. So I think you
read it, you'll you'll like it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
And I think that I think it's fun and to
the point of you can read it and then get
points for conversation, and I think that's always important right
now because we are I think more and more people
are trying to have conversation. But you get asked something
and you don't know how to answer it, and you
got to read something like this so that you know
how to answer it.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Boom, see you get ten percent now because that was
that was a good selling question. Thank you to you, Tutor,
and thank you for having me. This was fun.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Absolutely, this book right here is going to help you
with Christmas dinner. So every time Sunday family dinner. And
I'll hope you know. Thank you Joe Conca. It's always
a pleasure to talk to you. And I appreciate you
coming on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Thank you, Team Dixon.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Go ahead, thank you Team Dickson.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yes, thank you all for always being on Team Dixon.
I appreciate you being here on the podcast. Make sure
you go to iHeartRadio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcasts to join us next time on the
Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing.
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