August 11, 2024 • 55 mins
The left ruins lives. Karol Markowicz on the Jewish vote. Sean Parnell, combat vet, on real service. Ryan Girdusky explains the Kamala surge.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We have been talking about the big news of Kamala
Harris's vice presidential pick, Tim Walltz. News broke a shock
to a lot of people, to be honest with you,
after that Shapiro video promoting Shapiro and Harris on a
ticket was leaked, and after all the talk about Rocketman
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Mark Kelly and the possibilities there.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
And even Basher.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Even Basher I think was an interesting possibility for them,
A you know, presentable and articulate democrat from a red state.
Still don't know what can talk? I mean, Clay and
I talked about this all the time, and I think
it hits home more for Clay than me because he's
right next door Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What is going on with this?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Sheer guy? What are you doing with this? The mass Democrats?
It's silly, It's just silly. But jd Vance is now
the opponent of Tim Waltz. I assume there'll be a
vice presidential debate. Have we seen any headlines about this
one yet? I think that that is going to have
to be scheduled. I mean that seemed I say, I
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assume because given the ninety days until election day, you
know the timelines here. We've never seen this before. Everything
is different now. What is traditional isn't necessarily what will
happen given what we have seen. But jd Vance knows
that Tim Waltz is a progressive, a leftist, a socialist,
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a guy who all of the policies.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That we rail against regularly on this show.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think it's fair to say Tim Waltz is a
supporter of them, whether it's the most extreme pro abortion
position to the most extreme pro criminal BLM worshiping position.
I mean, you go down the list. I can't think
of anything that I've seen that this guy stands for
Clay when it comes to making a decision for or
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against where I go.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Okay, at least he got that one right.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
This is like with Fetterman. I don't agree with Federman
a lot, but.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I think he's sound on Israel, and he's even said
some intelligent stuff about the border too. At least he
got that one right. I haven't seen anything from Walls
to suggest that he's anything other than the most dogmatic
left wing progressive, and Jade Vance certainly sees it too.
This is cut thirty one. Here he is just laying
out the case against kamalas VP.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here's the thing about Tim falls.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Look, Tim Walls is a guy who wants to take
children away from their parents if the parents don't agree
to do sex changes and the school wants too. That's crazy, right,
a fundamental violation prinal rights. This is a guy who
win rioter we're burning down the biggest city in Minnesota,
was actively cheering them on. You think the black business
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leaders in Minneapolis are grateful, the working class business leaders
are grateful that Tim Waltz allowed rioters to burn down
their businesses. You think that people are grateful to have
a guy who wants to ship manufacturing jobs off to China.
There's no way the American people are going to buy it.
It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think that's right. I don't think he's overstating it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I think Tim Wats is a huge swing in Amiss
for the Democrat ticket.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
No doubt.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
And also I think we have another jd Vance clip
where he says on the airplane right after it was
announced that this is them doubling down on the BLM.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Riots of twenty twenty. This, to me, Buck is when.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I immediately think Minnesota, I think, sorry, sorry for everybody
in Minnesota. Man, they never win anything in sports.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's my first thought.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm sorry, Minneapolis listeners, how dare you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I hate?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
They know what I'm talking about. They haven't won a
title since the Twins. They have four different big teams.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I just I object. I'm off in my corner here,
Clay's gone rogue.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
That's the first thing I think about when I think
about Minnesota. Oh, they have a lot of teams and
they always lose. Second thing that I think is unfortunately,
and this is more serious. I think about the Minneapolis
riots and for Kamala Harris to have bailed out the rioters,
and for Tim Waltz to have refused to call out
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the state National Guard and end the riots that led
to police precincts being burned down, that led to a
what is it? I think team looked this up. I
think murders tripled in Minneapolis because so many police officers
quit because the State of Minnesota did not have their back.
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This is the guy who was in charge. Then this
is the guy that you want to who double down
on Listen to cut thirty one. Is that the cut
we just played? Maybe that's the cut we just played.
There's more than one. Twenty eight twenty eight is jd
Vance on the plane directly addressing this, which I think
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for a lot of people is what they think about
when they hear Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It just highlights how radical Kamala Harris is.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
This is a person who listened to the Hamas wing
of her own party and selecting a nominee.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
This is a guy.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Who's proposed shipping more manufacturing jobs to China, who wants
to make the American people more reliant on garbage energy
instead of good American energy, and has proposed defunding the police,
just as Kamala Harris does. I think it's interesting, Actually
they make an interesting tag team because of course Tim
Waltz allowed riders to burn down Minneapolis in the summer
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of twenty twenty, and then the few who got caught
Kamala Harris helped failed them out of jail. So it
is more instructive for what it says about Kamala Harris
that she doesn't care about the border, she doesn't care
about crime, she doesn't care about American energy and most importantly,
she doesn't care about the Americans who have been made
to suffer under those policies.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
That is a really good tour to force there. I
love the idea of this is the tag team that
believed that Minneapolis should burn and that if it did burn,
the people who were doing the burning should get bailed out.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think that's a great line. I think it connects.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I actually think it really hurts in the Midwest, which
is where people are going to be making these decisions.
This is I think a devastating own goal by Kamala
Harris in this selection.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Objectively, to the degree that anything in politics can be objective.
If you are a moderate, if you are an undecided voter,
the Kamala Harris Waltz ticket should be kryptonite to you.
There there is nothing moderate about either one of these
individuals on any issue. I mean, that's a there. It's
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not with Biden that you had a couple of things.
His longevity in politics have meant that he had taken
so many positions over such a long period of time.
As we talked about the crime Bill in the nineties,
you know, tried to run away from it, but Republicans
should have just been saying, well, actually that was the
right idea, like when you've been yes, and he was
part of the Democrat Party transforming from a well, I
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mean from being a center left party to being a
far left party. I mean that has he's been through
that whole process. So he could always point to, oh, well,
you know back in the eighties when Democrats like didn't
all hate America. You know, this is what I said,
do you know what I mean? He was able to
He was able to have it both ways because he
had been in the game so long that he had taken,
you know, every position Democrats had ever taken on everything.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
With Kamala and Waltz or Harris and Waltz.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Don't want to just call it. I think what's wrong
with Colin vin first name, With Harrison Walls. There is
no ground, there's no ability to make a moderate argument.
They are not moderates. There's nothing about them that's modern.
There's nothing about them that points to this. And even
when people talk about Cop Kamala and how she was
hard on crime in San Francisco, that's not true. It's
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not even accurate for a period of time. It may
have been politically advantageous to her as DA to crack
down on some drug crimes, but then she totally flipped
on all that as state Attorney General and was one
of the people pushing for you can steal up to
nine hundred dollars, which effectively means you can steal whatever
you want, because guess what, they're not scanning and counting
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whether something adds up to nine hundred dollars when you
fill your arms full of stuff at a Nieman Marcus,
You know what I'm saying like this is that there
is no moderate argument for the The media is just
going to have.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
To lie and lie and lie and lie.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It is impossible to claim this is a moderate Democrat
ticket in any stretch of the imagination, which is again
why Shapiro would Shapiro was less communist, Mark.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Kelly, I mean, this was a disaster pick. Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
I was not optimistic because I thought Kamala is going
to get a VP bounce, She's gonna pick Shapiro, and
then they're going to roll into the convention and by
September she's going by Labor Day, she's going to have
the lead. I don't think that's true now, I think
that this is if anything actually going to hurt her.
It's the opposite of a bounce, whatever recession, whatever the
opposite of a VP bounce would be. And I gotta
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tell you, they got to clip this. The Trump team
does that line. They make an interesting tag team because
Tim Waltz allowed rioters to burn down Minneapolis in the
summer of twenty twenty, and the few that got caught,
Kamala Harris helped bail them out of jail. Jd Vance
Scott Wagner, smart guy, texted me earlier today that they
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should have ads saying make America burn again, Kamala Waltz
because to me, again leaving aside my maybe a bit
unfair attack on Minneapolis never winning anything in sports, when
I think about Minnesota, I think about the failure of
people to be protected in that state during twenty twenty.
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I think a lot of people out there think the
same thing. This is something to lean in on.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, next time you're gonna go fishing for some
muskies and some walleye, you better stay out of the
Land of ten Thousand Lakes, mister Clay Travis.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I think there's a huge percentage of Minnesota's listening to
us right now. When I said that, they dropped their
head in silent and they won't even put a.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Fight on it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, they're just like basketball fans in New York. You're
just you just had to be like the next of
the worst. I've just got a franchise of the last
thirty years. It's just true. You just gotta take it.
I mean the Twins.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
The Twins lost like seven hundred and sixty four consecutive games.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And Captain wampwomp over here with the sports now too.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I just know the is inevitably shank a field goal
anytime they have a chance to win something that matters. Buck,
that's a great stat you know. I'm sorry for Martin
Anderson out there. I believe it was Morton Anderson. Guy
didn't miss a field goal the whole season, had a
chance to put the Vikings in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Miss the field goal.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Clay, you were just joy riding in the wreckage of
Vikings fans dreams right now, Okay, you know we were
trying to get them all motivated to go to the
polls and defeat this communist that their governor is now
going to be vice president.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I just I cannot believe this is a gift. I
don't know who's advising Kamala Harris, but she made the
worst VP pick. I'm trying to think of a VP
pick that I would look at and I would say, oh,
my goodness, like this is.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I think Tim Kaine for Hillary was really weak. And
I do think people are already making this comparison between
Waltz and Cain. They're both just kind.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Of bland, old white guys, lumpin proletariat, old white guy socialists,
nothing impressive, nothing, no charisma. I think with Hillary, at
least you could say that choice was a I'm winning,
I don't I don't want to rock the boat and
make a choice that hurts me.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It was sort of.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
A blandly in a defensive choice to me, if you're behind,
and I think Kamala is, the last thing you want
to do with your VP is make it harder for
you and reinforce the things that people didn't like about
the choices you've made. I mean, I would have taken
Waltz off the board, and I thought surely she would
have just based off the fact that she raised money
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for the rioters buck. I would have said the last
thing I want to do is reinforce my defund the
police screw up and the fact that I raised money.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I mean, think about how.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Critical people are of Trump for simply saying he would
pardon the January sixth some of them rioters that that
have been convicted, Kamala bailed them out. She was raising
money to never hold them accountable in any way for
the crimes that they committed.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And you know, they really were extending physically. First of all,
a lot of those rioters hurt cops. They hit them
with rocks, they threw bottles, they threw bottles of urine
at them. I talked about this a lot of the time, Clay.
Some of these BLM rioters at a federal courthouse in
Portland who're trying to shine lasers in the eyes of officers,
hoping that they would they would damage their site and
blind them. I said, if someone told me I'm trying
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to blind you, I mean, I think you're allowed to
use I think you're allowed to use extreme physical force.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Stop that from happening.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
If someone's like, oh, I'm just gonna blind you, I
think I should be allowed to shoot at you. I'm
just gonna say it. It's true if someone really thinks
that they can blind me. I mean, those lasers can
do damage your eyes. It's harder for them to actually
blind you, from what I understand, But just think about
the mentality I'm going to blind these cops and these
people are psychopaths, and they're all Democrat based voters. What
us up prize to absolutely nobody. I think that they
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were doing horrible things. And when they destroy these businesses.
Ask somebody who's had a house burned down or a
business burned down what it's like dealing with insurance. I
actually just went through this with a friend of mine recently,
was explaining it is a nightmare. Insurance company doesn't want
to write you a check, and they want to write
you the smallest check possible, and they're going to deduct
any kind of expenses they can. I mean, it's you know,
if you think that your business is worth two million dollars,
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you're lucky. If you get a check at the end
for eight hundred grand, you know it's it's and you
know then you've got expenses that you have to pay
and all kinds of things.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
So they ruin people's lives and for what For what?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Because of George Floyd because a drug addict died of
a combination of physical compression and heart attack because it
was high on fentanyl. Really, that means you burned down
a neighborhood. Where was the stern speech from Waltz about
that one? Where was the Hey, this is not who
we are as a people, as Americans. We don't burn
down neighborhoods. The cop ended up going to prison for
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twenty five years, his life is destroyed. We could have
a whole other conversation as to whether that's fair. By
the way, I don't believe it is. But still Tim
Waltz is in favor of all this stuff, and now
we're gonna make h Vice President Kamalo is bailing them out.
I mean Clay unforgivable stuff, unforgivable stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
And just can't believe that they reinforced this, which is
why I'm stunned, beyond belief that they made this choice.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, I think it's it's absolute utter madness, and it's
just it's horrific as this continues to play out in
this way.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
If you're listening to twenty four the Year of Impact
with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
We've got our friend Carol Markowitz joining us now. She
is the host of the Carol Markowitz Show on the
Clay and Buck Network, which is growing every month because
the more of you that listen to it, the more
you know that.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And also, I've never met a mom out there who
didn't love Carol's work. Shoot, so for all the moms listening,
you got to check out the Carol Podcast. Carol should
We got a lot to talk to about today. Welcome
as always, Clay and I love getting a chance to
talk to you. Haven't seen you since Florida. Clay was
Clay was enjoying all that Florida freedom, although it's free
in Tennessee too, but he knows Florida's got something special
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going on. He won't admit that, but it's just true now,
although no, he owns a house in Florida, so he
does admit it.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's fine. Let's start with this.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Is it really just pure anti semitism that kept Shapiro
off the VP ticket and made it walltz?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Is that really what's going on? Or are we missing something?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
So?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
I think it is, and I'll tell you this. I
was very worried that she would pick jos Shapiro, and
that would be a strong pick. He seems like he's
got it all going on in the Democratic Party right now,
and she needs to win Pennsylvania. Donald trumpet win Pennsylvania.
It's a very competitive state. Having a popular governor who
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doesn't say crazy things, doesn't do crazy things would have
been a plus for a ticket. So I was very
worried that she was going to pick him, But the
anti Semitic left made that easy for me because they
basically pressured the Kamala Harris campaign into not choosing him,
and so instead she went with Tim Walls, who was
an absent governor during the BLM rye. He let his
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cities burn, his daughter let the protesters know when the
National Guard was going to be on duty, based on
what information she had from within her dad's office. I mean,
this is a radical left pick. So yeah, a lot
of Jews are feeling uncomfortable with where the Democrats are,
but it shouldn't be just Jews. Americans should be uncomfortable.
She picked someone far left and this is the ticket
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that they're going to ride into November. If this is
the next president and vice president.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We're all in trouble, Carol.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
We've been talking for months now about whether this rising
tide of anti Semitism on the left, characterized by college
campus protests by the squad inside of the Democrat Party itself,
would force some Jewish voters to recalibrate their election decisions. Yeah,
I'm curious how you would analyze this. But one data
point that's out today in the New New York Times
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poll of the state of New York, which has Kamala
Harris winning New York by fourteen points, which would be
nine points less than Biden wanted in twenty twenty, Trump
is actually winning Jewish voters by one point. I believe
it's fifty to forty nine, if I'm not mistaken or
something along that. I'm curious if you saw that, do
you think New York is emblematic of how Jewish voters
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might vote nationwide or is it a bit of a
different animal.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Well, I'll tell you. If they're getting that those kinds
of numbers in New York, I think it'll be higher elsewhere.
So Trump got thirty percent of the Jewish vote nationally
in twenty twenty, but he got like thirty four percent
in places like Florida. And really what we're looking at,
and it's not enough data points from twenty twenty is
the Pennsylvania Jewish vote, because that could really move the needle.
A lot of people are very concerned about the Pennsylvania
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Jewish vote, you know, on the left, and they should
be because look what just happened. Look how she rejected
the Jewish governor. But that's really where the numbers are
going to be. I think New York is a more
left leaning Jewish voter, even considering the large Orthodox population.
So if he's in New York, I think that that
number will be higher in places like, for example, Florida,
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And so we'll see. My thing was these things happen slowly.
I think the Jewish vote is moving rightward, and it
has been for the last few years. I think the
Jewish vote on Long Island made a difference in the
midterm elections. I think that the Republicans picked up seats
because of that Jewish vote. It's happening, it's happening slowly.
I set the number at thirty eight percent. My good
friend Josh Hammer thinks is maybe about forty Nationally. If
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you go above that, that'll be a real sea change,
and it won't just be for one election.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
By the way, if you're right, that would be roughly
an eight point improvement or ten point improvement. That's a
pretty seismic difference in terms of how the Jewish vote
would break if you're right that it goes from seventy
thirty to sixty forty exactly.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
And the thing is that, you know, if that happens,
then you do count on things like the Pennsylvania Jewish
vote winning Pennsylvania for Donald Trump. Even though it's a
small percentage, it's enough to move the needle. And so
you have that in certain places where that could really
make a difference. It can make or break the campaign
for him. So I obviously I am a lifelong conservative.
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I have always hoped that Jews wake up and vote
Republican because that's clearly what benefits them. You know, forget
about Israel, but if it benefits us in America, the
Republican Party is more app to protect us and more
app to let us protect ourselves, which is really important
to me. So I hope that Jews wake up and
do the right thing in November.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Now, Carol, we're speaking of Carol Markwitz, just reminding you
so that you can go subscribe to the Clay and
Buck podcast network. Click on Carol Show you listen to it.
She does great stuff. Also a fantastic columnist. And my
mom gets excited every time I get to hang out
with Carrol because she's a huge Carol fan.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So Clay, do you have this too. We're like family
members in our business.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
They're never you know, they're family, They're never excited to
like hang out with us because whatever. But it's like, oh,
you hang out with like Carol Markwitz or like oh
Jesse Kelly is so funny, and you're like, yeah, I'm
okay too, right Anyway, true story, true story.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
For mar A Lago.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
By the way, since I'm going through this digression, Trump
Trump sees me, sees Carol, he brings us over are
he's sitting at his table.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
He wants to travelis a little bit and.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
He's like he's like, he's like Buck, He's like, you're
doing great work. You're doing great Carol, better than you,
but you're still doing great work.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Just like that. So anyway, it was fun.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But yeah, but uh, Carol jd Vance, all the women
commentary around jd Vance, is it a problem?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Is it.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Is it fair to him? Is it just noise? And
where do you come down on that.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I think that most of the people who had a
problem with what he was saying, we're never going to
vote for the Trump Vance ticket, and they shouldn't spend
too much time trying to, you know, recoup those people.
But look, it hurts some feelings of women on the
right who maybe want to be married but aren't and
don't enjoy being called, you know, childless cat ladies. And
I get that. I really do understand that, and I
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feel for those people. So what I would say is
that Trump Vance campaign should focus on women's issue use
and that are the same issues as men's issues. We
care about the border, we care about crime, we care
about affording groceries at the store. So these are all
issues that cater to men and women, and that's what
they should focus on. Was Vance wrong in saying that
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a society that's not having children doesn't care about the future. No,
I worry about that. For example, with Britain. Britain seems
kind of a drift and not really focused on the future.
And I blame a lot of that on the fact
that so many people don't have kids. And therefore don't
have this eye on what the future of the country
will look like, because why would it really matter? So
I get what he was saying in the macro. He
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should have been kinder and maybe gentler about it in
the micro That's really the point here that when you
talk to women you kind of have to use a
little bit of a different tone. But was he wrong
though he wasn't wrong, And I don't think they should
spend another minute talking about.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
This, Carol, we're sitting here on I got to make
sure I get the date right, August sixth. If you
were setting odds, how confident are you that Trump wins?
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I am such a doomsday person. I don't know, you know,
I was. I was somebody that worried a lot that
they were going to drag Joe Biden across that finish line.
And I feel better with Kamala.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Harris to cut you off.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
But I was so right for so long. It's like,
you know, somebody, somebody said, it's like taking me under
and in a sport game, and I was. I was
right right up until I wasn't. But you know, I
think that it's I think we don't live in a
country that alects Kamala Harris far leftist with her far
left VP nominee. I really believe in US, so I
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imagine that Trump has to pull it out. I think
some things need to break his way. I think that
his trials kind of need to be in the background,
and I know the Democrats will push him to the foreground.
But do we live in a country where President Kamala
Harris is inaugurated in January? I just I hope not.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I'm with care on this one man. It's just at
that point, what is America if the Harris wall Walls Walls.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Apparently we've been told not.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Walls, whatever his name is, whatever his name is.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I saw somebody, you'll appreciate this, Carrol Communists, go ahead,
I was saying. I saw some people saying, this is
the most difficult apostrophe combo in presidential ticket history, with
Harris and Waltz, Walls, whatever the guy's name is, this
is I agree. I think it's an unmitigated disaster if
it's possible, if they can get elected, they are legitimately
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I think the farthest left wing ticket in American political history.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't think that's nuperbole.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
That's right, and look, you know, we we buckled down
in Florida. If that, if that happens and we started
a revolution of our own right.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Red states, I would say, well, I'm in a red
state now in Tennessee. But I would say that a
lot of people would respond by moving to red states
because I do think there are people up with the
federal level who say, Okay, I want to move to
a red state and make sure that at least i'm
protected there.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Ron de Santis actually shared on X Carol that you
probably saw this that when it comes to Minnesota and Florida,
a Minnesota is five times as likely to permanently move
to Florida as a Floridian is to move to Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Not surprising, but still, I.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Mean, that's a tough move to go Florida into Minnesota.
I mean, I don't know very many people are like, hey,
I'm going to give up warm weather all year round.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I want to freeze my ass off.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It would take a while to sell all your flip
flops on eBay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
It's not great.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yes, So it's a tough transition. Carol, Thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Everybody you're listening to twenty four, The Most Important Tier
in Politics with Clay Travis en Box Sexton.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Our friend Sean Parnell joins. He's a combat veteran New
York Times best selling author of Outlaw Platoon. He also
hosts Battleground Live on the Clay and Buck podcast Network.
He's a fantastic host. Check out that show, subscribe to
the Clay and Buck podcast Network, and then listen to
the Sean Parnell Show. Sean, great to have you, my friend.
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Good to talk to you again. As always, Buck, it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is great to be here.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
Thank you and Clay for having me as well.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So let's start with the big item today, Sean, that
I think you could really shed some light on. There's
a lot of criticism and it's coming to me as
well as a lot of other people, but coming to
me from veterans specifically, who are saying this guy Walls
wants to tell us all that you know, he served
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and we should all kind of bow down to his
veteran status. And it's all great and it's amazing, But
when it came time, after many years being a sergeant
major to go to a rock, he chose not to go.
Can you break this down?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Firs?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
As somebody who was over there, was in combat, and
you served his country at that level. What do you
make of what we know about Governor Waltz and his
service at this point.
Speaker 10 (27:09):
Buck, It's it's cowardice, plain and simple. And let me
give you a sense of how eighteen year old privates,
which by the way, very very different from a command
sergeant major. Command sergeant major is the highest enlisted rank
in the United States Military Command Sergeants major are the
heart and soul of any unit.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
They're the door kickers.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
They teach, they coach, they mentor they train units. And
Walls probably had eight hundred plus soldiers at a minimum
beneath him. But my soldiers, my privates in combat and again,
I was in combat for four hundred and eighty five
days in Afghanistan. Let an infantry PLATOONA at the height
of the hunt for Bin Laden. I watched my soldiers
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do extraordinary things in combat because they were afraid of
letting each other down. I watched my medic, his name
is Doc Pantoha, get shot in the face and then
treat twelve casualties without ever once taking care of himself,
three of which would have died without his help. I
watched a kid in my platoon named Canton Winn get
shot in the head. He was ebac to Germany developed
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the blood clot When the docs tried to send him home,
he said, no, keep me here in Germany because when
I heal up, I want to get back to my soldiers.
All of that buck was because they didn't want to
let their brothers down next to them in the trenches.
And keep in mind, the job that most of these
kids had before joining the United States Military was high
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school shortstop, and so everything that we do in the
military is geared towards not letting your brothers and sisters down.
And that obligation is far greater if you're a leader,
whether you're a non commissioned officer and enlisted leader in
the United States Military or an officer. You know, when
I was in ranger school, like probably the most difficult
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school that the United States leadership school that the Army
has to offer. I mean, it was constantly about starving you,
keeping you awake, you know, marching twenty miles a day,
putting you in very very high pressure leadership situations where
they turn to you and say, make a decision, you know,
make a decision ranger, Lead, what are you going to do?
And I'll never forget in combat, trapped in a kill
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zone with my radio telephone operator looking at me these big,
bright blue eyes and he's you know, we're got surrounded, outmanned,
out gunned, shot shooting at us from all different directions.
He's looking at me and reverberating on my mind or
make a decision?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Lead right?
Speaker 10 (29:39):
And so Walls has an obligation as a command sergeant major,
the senior enlisted member in his battalion, in his unit,
to when they get orders to go to combat, to
go to Iraq. It's his job to lead. It's his
job to lead from the front, to to set the example.
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Run to the sound of gunfire, not away, but in
those critical moments when all of his soldiers eight hundred
plus at a minimum, by the way, buck eight hundred
plus looking at him, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and probably
a little bit afraid that they're going into the fray,
he tucked tails and he runs at that critical moment.
I mean what like it basically says to these kids
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who are going into Iraq and don't know whether or
not they're gonna come home alive. Hey, good luck, hope
you survive. I'm out of here. I'm retiring. It's it's
just gutting bucks. It's hard to describe the level of
cowardice that it takes for a leader in the United
States military, especially one that served for twenty four years.
They tried out this twenty four years thing, like it's
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something about, oh, look how long he's served, he should
know better after two years, twenty four years, it's just
dereliction of duty of the highest order, of the highest order.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Sean I Buck and I talked about this because I
saw you tweeting about it as soon as this story started,
and I said, I want to bring on Sean because
I don't even feel that comfortable analyzing it because frankly,
I never served, so a lot of people I think
out there here, oh twenty four years, and they automatically think, hey,
this is a valorous guy. But I think your perspective
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is so important. How many people do you think that
have served in combat zones when they hear this about
Tim Walls have the exact same reaction that you do.
In other words, how commonplace do you think your opinion
is among those who have actually put their lives on
the line. Overseas or elsewhere.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Everyone Clay, every single person that served overseas, probably looks
at this decision with disdain because the reality is is
that when you get orders to go to combat, to
go to war, regardless of where it is, you sacrifice
a lot to do that. And you know, you sacrifice
time with your family. If you have kids, you sacrifice
time with your children. The truth is, nobody wants to go,
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but you sattle up and you go anyway because it's
your duty, and you have a duty, an obligation to
the man and woman in the trenches next to you.
And if you're a leader, that obligation is even greater
because you know you have an obligation to lead from
the front, to go to where the fire is heaviest,
right to where you can have the biggest impact on
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the battlefield. And not only that, you know that every
decision that you make could forever alter the trajectory of
your soldiers, and God forbid, if you make a bad one,
one of them goes home in a body bag. And
by the way, what I'm talking about is I'm not
the exception to this, I'm the rule. This is the
situation that America's sons and daughters in find themselves in
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whether they're an enlisted leader or an officer, when they
raise their right hand and volunteer to serve in the military. Clay,
So anyone that has shouldered that awesome responsibility of leading
America's sons and daughters. Nobody wants to go to combat,
but you saddle up and you go anyway because it's
your duty. And for him to talk tail and run
and then try to make the case that he should
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be the vice president of the United States a heartbeat
away from the presidency while simultaneously calling Donald Trump and JD.
Vance weird, it's just beyond It's just beyond comprehension.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Sean really appreciate that that perspective. We needed to hear
that a lot. You know, we have so many veterans,
we have so many active duty that listen to this show,
and so to bring in somebody who has who has
really been out there and understands these decisions, I think
it's just necessary perspective. I also want to bring in
your perspective as a native son of Pennsylvania, a Pittsburgh
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area guy who has run for Congress and knows the
political battlefield, not you're talking about the battlefield of Afghanistan
or rockyf but now in the political battlefield quite a
bit different. They didn't go with the governor of your state, Shapiro.
How do you now assess Trump the Kamala in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Well, first of all, let me just say, as someone
who's run for office twice in Pennsylvania, I gotta tell you,
Clay Buck, I'm very glad that they did not pick
Josh Shapiro. Because Josh Shapiro fakes a good game, he
fakes being a moderate and of course we all understand
there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat. But he's
in the most important swing state in the nation. I
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contend that Pennsylvania is the swing state because if you
win Pennsylvania Democrat or Republican, it's far more likely that
you win Michigan. It's far more likely that you win Wisconsin.
And so to not pick Josh Shapiro because of the
pro Hamas base pro Hamas base of their party, when
Shapiro has sixty percent favorability and just won an election
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here in Pennsylvania just a couple of years ago, I'm
telling you it's mind blowingly stupid. Decision because vice presidential candidates,
while they don't always carry their home state and a
presidential cycle, oftentimes this is empirically validated over time. They're
good for a one point eight percent bump in their
home state. And guess what one point eight percent in
Pennsylvania could make all the difference. So I am glad
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that Kamala picked Walls because right now, between Harris and Walls,
we have what I believe to be the most radical
top of the ticket in the history of our country.
And I don't think that's hyperbole, and that's not going
to play well in Pennsylvania, where you have over one
point two million independents that are trying to assess where
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they want to go with their lives. And I think
when they go into that election booth clay Buck and
they pull that lever, it's going to be a very
simple calculation for them. What life was like under Trump,
you know, food gas affordable four toh one k going up,
and what life is like under Biden and who Kamala
Harris is connected to life is a heck of a
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lot harder now. And when you're trying to make the
case to independence, you know, Blue staters like somebody from
Minnesota like Walls, somebody from California like Harris. They struggle
mightily to talk to those centrists that are critically important
to win. So I think it bodes well for Trump
and JD in Pennsylvania that they've got this crazy radical
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Walls on the ticket.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Okay, you're a you're a Philly, you're a Pittsburgh guy.
I got an important question for you. To close out
everything you covered. You covered what you seemed to be
Tim Wallas's cowardice. You just broke down how Pennsylvania is
gonna go uh in the election. This is the question
that people in Pittsburgh care about the most. Who's going
to be the quarterback this year? And how's he gonna do?
Speaker 10 (36:47):
You know, I look this, I'll tell you what Russell
Wilson hurting his calf. I mean, there's always a quarterback
controversy in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But I would tell you this,
like I would be remiss to weigh in on that
topic now, because.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Way, hold on, hold on, this is amazing.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
You'll give you'll give an opinion on Tim Walls's service record,
on Kamala Harris's choice of vice president, not even blink,
just fire full speed. I ask you to break down
the Steelers quarterback situation. You are a die hard Steelers
fan and you're like I just I don't know that
I can weigh in on this is amazing.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
I don't listen, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
You combat four and fifty days taking bullets from me
trying to kill you for over a year, and you
won't tell me who the quarterback is gonna be.
Speaker 10 (37:41):
Look, look, Steelers fans are vicious. Okay, they're passionate. They're
the best traveling fans in football. I'll tell you this.
Justin Field's throwing dimes in training camp. I've been watching
very optimistic about that. He's got some longevity, He's got
legs underneath him, which is good for the Pittsburgh offense.
But hey, Russell Wilson, veteran quarterback, is good under pressure
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in those critical moments, especially if you make it to
the playoffs. And I'm hoping fingers crossed that the Steelers
make it to the playoffs, and so you know, we'll
see where the cars love.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
But I definitive answer to the most pressing questions in
the world. Put him on the spot for who's going
to be Steelers quarterback and he gets.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Right on the fence.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
But this is.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
He's you know, the Haconing network trying to ambush him
for eighteen months, Like, yeah, but what's the depth chart
of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Clay, I don't want to get
myself into too much stress and trouble here.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So by the.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Way, Sean, as we go to break, I told I
told you, I told Buck. We got to meet in
person at the event we just did last week. You
and your wife fantastic. We're happy to have you as
a part of the podcast network despite your cowardice on
picking a Steelers quarterback. I would encourage everybody out there
to go listen to Sean Parnell's podcast. I guarantee you're
gonna love it. And we appreciate the time today.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Buck, take care guys. Yeah, great to
see you man.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact
with Clay.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
And Buck, our friend Ryan Gurdusky joins.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
He is the author of the National Populis news letter,
which you can subscribe to on substack. He's the founder
of the seventeen seventy six Project PAC, master of election
data and quite a very nice fellow, mister Ryan Gerdusky.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
How are you good?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
To have you on?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Good thanks for having me all right, So, I don't
know if you've been hearing this at all. And of
course you listen to Clayton Buck Show every day, so
you must have been hearing it. But let's just reread
for a second, every day, all three hours the sense
that clay has he is concerned, he is worried about
this election. I am not worried. I am quietly confident.
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Should we be worried based on the numbers you are
seeing now?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
And if so, why?
Speaker 11 (39:57):
I mean, look, it's it is well, it's Republicans are
doing with the whiplash right now. Two and a half weeks ago,
Republicans had a real chance at winning New Jersey, and
now they're in competition in Georgia again. So we are
in a position that we are not as comfortable as
we certainly were under Biden right before he dropped out. However,
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Donald Trump is still polling better than he ever did
at any time he's ever run for office, aside from
the last month with Joe Biden. He's certainly polling better
than he did in twenty twenty certainly better than he
did in twenty sixteen. I'll break it down by the
few polls that have come out in the last couple
of weeks. This is according to a voter hub Harris
right now has on the last three polls. In Pennsylvania,
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Harris has a point six percent lead to a point
one percent lead depending on how many poles you count Michigan.
In Michigan, Harris's lead is point twenty seven. In Wisconsin,
its point is one point two. Uh Nevada, it's point eight.
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In North Carolina, Trump leads by two. Georgia Trump leads
by point six, and in Arizona, Trump leads by one
point two. Now, with the exception of just Georgia, all
of these numbers are still better than where he was
in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen in all of
these states. And I will say that a lot of
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what we're seeing as far as Harris surge go is
not a lot of people dropping from the Trump train
and going over to Harris. It's people. It's disenfranchised and
disenfranchised Democrats, especially a lot of minorities and young people
who did not like Joe Biden but are comfortableting for
Kamala Harris. That is the Kamala Harris search. There is
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a ceiling to that surge. It's not a never ending
growth that has no limitation to it, and it is
a bit of a sugar high. I have never seen
in my life someone searged ten points with favorability and
managed to keep it, I mean search ten points overnight
and managed to keep it for very long. She hasn't
opened her mouth up. Her running mate is a lunatic
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and absolute far left French nutbag. So there is definitely
gonna be some recourse over time. It's just is there
enough time to get where there needs to be? That's
the big question.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
How is it looking right now in Well, actually there's
two parts of this. One is how's it looking right
now in Pennsylvania for Trump? And the second part is
is Pennsylvania basically do or die for both candidates.
Speaker 11 (42:38):
I don't see a way that Harris can win without Pa.
There is a path to Trump if he loses Pa.
You win Wisconsin, when Arizona win Georgia in North Carolina
and win. Harris cannot win without Pennsylvania. There's no path
for her without Pennsylvania. And I will remind people I mean,
Pennsylvania has the more accurate polling as far as midst
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as far as Roust Belt states go. It's certainly easier
to pull because they do register voters by party, not
by self identification in the polls onlike Michigan and Wisconsin,
where you just register to vote and you're a registered
voter and you decide if you're a Republican or Democrat
when you go vote in primaries. Npa, you have to
vote with a party, and you have to stick to
the party, and you can only vote in the party's primaries.
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So it's a little easier to find where voters are
in Pennsylvania. It's listen to. Pennsylvania is extremely, extremely, extremely important.
There's no other way to say it. There are certain
factors working against Trump. Mainly one the areas of the
Coller Counties are in Philadelphia have definitely grown in population,
They're more liberal than they used to be, and the
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rural counties have been emptying out over the last several decades,
including the four years since Trump last ran in eight
years since he won the state. But Republican registration is
up in a lot of the cities where Trump's immense
games from twenty sixteen to twenty two twenty, sites like Redding, Lancaster,
Proper City, even Philadelphia because of a surge of a
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Hispanic and Asian population that that population has continued to
grow and Trump's support within that population has continued to grow.
You'll see precincts if you look at precinc changes from
twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, where there were precincts that
Trump got three percent five percent the first time in
twenty sixteen, where he got twenty two to twenty three,
twenty four percent the second time. That will help offset
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some of the suburban trends away from Trump.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
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Speaker 4 (44:36):
I'm a subscriber. I read it every week.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Now, let's look at.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
The demographics that could determine this election. And let's start
with one that I know you've done a lot of
number crunching on white working class voters, white male working
class voters in the Ross belt.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Are they likely to be definitive?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Are they likely to just be a big piece of
a larger of a larger pie. I mean, what do
you make of their role in this.
Speaker 11 (45:08):
So let's say winning a winning a probably making a
Republican a president. Winning a Republican presidential candidacy is like
making a cake. If that if that was the analogy
I'm using. White working classmen are the batter. You cannot
make a cake without the batter. It is impossible. And
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it's not a question of are they going to support Trump?
They overwhelmingly are. Maybe a third might vote for Kamala,
but maybe even less than that, maybe even a quarter.
It's a matter of turnout. Whites without a college degree
have the worst, have the history of the worst voter
turnout of any group among among blacks, college educated whites,
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and non college of whites, they turn the least. Only
his recent immigrants like Hispanics turnout less than they do.
That is the most important game is if they can
sit there and they can actually show up and show
up in big numbers. If they can, then the election
is definitely don't go into one way, which will go
to Trump. And there are more of them, I mean,
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this is what there's a wild fascination and this dream,
this fever dream among a lot of Republican donors that
they're going to win twenty five percent of the black vote,
thirty percent on the black votes and something like that.
For every one percent of the black vote that they
hope to gain, it would be the equivalent of if
they gain one percent more with a white vote, it
would be like gaining five points with the black vote.
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And they are much more important in the more important
states Michigan, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, a lot of retirees,
all those posits are in North Carolina. Winning those voters
and winning the low hanging fruit is much easier, and
it's much more important. It's but it's a persuasion thing.
It's a turnout game, and I think that's really where
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the election is won or loss, and it's primarily when
I lost in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
You might have seen Ryan, there's some, uh, there's some
back and forth chatter on x now over whether the
Trump ground game in the key states and specifically to
do the turnout operations that you were just talking about
for non college educated white voters, is strong enough. Do
you have a view on that, do you have some
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insight into how Trump seems to be doing, and then
just also what is a really strong ground game for
those voters look like.
Speaker 11 (47:29):
Well, I think that what I would like to see more,
I don't know if I don't know how. I've heard
that good things about the about the turnout, about the
ground game, but I don't know enough. So I'm not
going to sit there and delve into what it is.
But what I would like to see more is more
coalitions building. So a coalition that and we can talk
about racial coalitions the way that Harris does, or we
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can talk about economic coalitions. There is a substantial amount
of people in this country, for example, who live in
motor homes, who live in motor home communities, a specially ironically,
they live primarily in swing states. I think it's almost
twenty million live primarily in swing states, Arizona, Georgia, Florida
used to be a swing state, but Florida, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.
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One of their big issues is they don't own the
land that they have their mobile home on, and a
lot of times corporations and big hedge funds buy the
land and out umprice them out and they become homeless.
It's a big conversation happening within microcosms of this country.
Targeting people like that targeting people within certain unions with
the Trump campaign has done very successfully as well as
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going after not only simply just minorities or white people whatever,
but targeting within white voters certain ethnic coalitions. Talking about
Christopher Columbus statues is extremely important with Italian Americans, there's
certain things with Eastern European Americans that make up huge
percentages of Pennsylvania. And talking about those kinds of conversations
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specifically with white voters, I think is very very important.
There's also conversations that we had generationally. I think Jdvans
being a millennial is very important people who are millennials.
We went through a different upbringing than other generations. We
had a very hard time. We had the Iraq War,
we had the two thousand and eight recession, we had
the dot com bubble. There was a lot of things
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in when we were going into both high schools and
college and post college careers that held a lot of
millennials back from owning a home, from starting their life
earlier on, and a lot of student debt. Those kinds
of conversations he is unique to have because he had
that experience. Waltz didn't, Harris didn't even Trump didn't because
they're just of a certain age. I think Jdvans could
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speak to those voters and speak those voters, especially in
the Midwest and in the sun Belts.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
You touched on this, Ryan, but I wanted to just
have you get into a little bit more. I mean,
I like the way you said it that Walls is
a lunatic. Is it clear in your mind already based
on the real action to Walls as the pick, as
well as how the numbers have moved, that this was
a mistake that is just common and making a bad decision.
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Or do you feel like they can still turn this
into Walls appealing to those white working class voters in
the swing states to maybe peel some off from Trump.
Not that many, but enough that it could be the
difference in Wisconsin or Michigan.
Speaker 11 (50:23):
Well, it might be the difference. But since Walls became governor,
fifty thousand people in Minnesota moved to Wisconsin. So a
lot of people know who Walls is and decided to leave.
I think that should be exacerbated and delved into as
to who are these people and why do they leave?
If they left because they hate Walls, make sure they're
going to go vote in Wisconsin, and that says of
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twenty twenty two. I'm sure in twenty twenty three and
twenty twenty four that number is actually even higher. That's
one thing, but also Walls's essential problem is he chases
the most fringe, lunatic elements of the Internet, and that's
where he finds his base defunding. He marched in their things,
tampons in boys bathrooms, his wife saying that that she
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likes the smell of burning cities. These are the pole BLM.
Everything BLM was completely lunatic, fringe ideas, and he embraced
every single one of them. He chased the Internet crowd
wherever they went. He hosted someone who met a mom
who did pro Hitler movies, and celebrated the October seventh
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massacres at the governor's mansion in Minnesota. He is the
most fringe person. On the outside, he looks like he
could be every Midwesterner's dad. But on the inside, you know,
if he was on MSNBC, Rachel Matta would tell him
to calm down. That's how crazy this man actually is.
And I think that that needs to be exposed is
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don't buy the pack, don't buy the wrapping on the package.
What's inside the package is actually horrendous for you, and
you wouldn't want it if you were given as a gift.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Do you do you buy?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
The New York Times reporting that it really did just
come down the VP pick came down to who Kamala liked,
and it was her.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
They let it be her.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Decision, or was it really just mostly anti semitism. You
can't have Shapiro, even though he'd probably help you win Pennsylvania.
Speaker 11 (52:15):
I probably would guess the first part that it was
really who Harris liked. I think that she probably really
want I mean, Harris's dreamed of this moment for a
very very long time, and she probably wanted somebody whould
always play second Bill to her. Josh Shapiro probably wouldn't.
I don't know why they didn't pick Mark Kelly. Maybe
just didn't go well. But Shapiro is very, very ambitious.
He wants to be present. He's tried to make himself
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in the image of a Jewish Obama, and I think
that it would have been a lot of competition, and
it would have been a lot of anger if Democrats
were truly serious though about her chances. If there were
a lot of Democrats. You would have saw Gretchen Whitmer
and Newsome and Pritzker really throw their hat in the ring.
I think a lot of Democrats are pessimistic, but if
she can win, because if she does win, right, no
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matter if she wins a second term or enough Democrats
are out, A lot of these leading Democrats for the
future are out of the running. Until twenty thirty two,
a lot of them will have retired. Their whole chance
of being president will be over. So I think internally,
a lot of and in the back of their minds,
someone who's like Retchen Wimer obviously been trying to groom
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herself with a job, trying to make us off a
national figure, trying to build a fundraising base, is probably
thinking to herself, Yeah, I could see Kamala losing, but
that's okay because I could still run. If Kamala wins,
She's never running for president. Neither his new sum neither
is Pritzker, neither is Shapiro. They'll all be term limited
out and be out of office by that point.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
It forced to put your last dollar on a Trump
victory or a Kamala victory. Ryan, don't worry, We'll only
play this back after the election.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
If you're right, who wins the election.
Speaker 11 (53:52):
We've done this so many times now, Yeah, I think
right now Trump's still gonna win. I still think that
he has to come back. I still think, yeah, I
still think he's gonna win because this is my reasoning,
my rationale for it. One, I do think that there's
an internal bias among voters for female candidates for president.
That's politically correct, but I do believe that's true. Secondly, Harris,
(54:14):
I mean, she went from being the character en VEEP
to being like this cool woman who just is It's
very bizarre. I don't believe that the hype is true
from the internet. And then lastly, Trump has always, always,
always overperformed poles in the Rust Belts. I think he
will do it again. I fundamentally do. Back in twenty twenty,
he was down six points in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
(54:37):
Right now he is down between point one to two
point seven in those three states. I do think he
can overperform in the end. And like I said before,
the supports he hasn't been losing support. It's just disenfranchised
Democrats have been building towards Harris but I think that
support is there for him too. He just needs to
really really double down on the white working class of
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the Midwest and speak to those voters.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
I've been saying the same thing. I totally agree. I've
been looking at those numbers. It all makes sense to me,
Ryan Gardusk. Everybody subscribe to the National Populist newsletter and
to check out the seventeen seventy six Project pack. Ryan,
thank you so much.
Speaker 11 (55:13):
Thank you.
This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We have been talking about the big news of Kamala
Harris's vice presidential pick, Tim Walltz. News broke a shock
to a lot of people, to be honest with you,
after that Shapiro video promoting Shapiro and Harris on a
ticket was leaked, and after all the talk about Rocketman
(00:36):
Mark Kelly and the possibilities there.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
And even Basher.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Even Basher I think was an interesting possibility for them,
A you know, presentable and articulate democrat from a red state.
Still don't know what can talk? I mean, Clay and
I talked about this all the time, and I think
it hits home more for Clay than me because he's
right next door Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What is going on with this?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Sheer guy? What are you doing with this? The mass Democrats?
It's silly, It's just silly. But jd Vance is now
the opponent of Tim Waltz. I assume there'll be a
vice presidential debate. Have we seen any headlines about this
one yet? I think that that is going to have
to be scheduled. I mean that seemed I say, I
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assume because given the ninety days until election day, you
know the timelines here. We've never seen this before. Everything
is different now. What is traditional isn't necessarily what will
happen given what we have seen. But jd Vance knows
that Tim Waltz is a progressive, a leftist, a socialist,
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a guy who all of the policies.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That we rail against regularly on this show.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think it's fair to say Tim Waltz is a
supporter of them, whether it's the most extreme pro abortion
position to the most extreme pro criminal BLM worshiping position.
I mean, you go down the list. I can't think
of anything that I've seen that this guy stands for
Clay when it comes to making a decision for or
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against where I go.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Okay, at least he got that one right.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
This is like with Fetterman. I don't agree with Federman
a lot, but.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I think he's sound on Israel, and he's even said
some intelligent stuff about the border too. At least he
got that one right. I haven't seen anything from Walls
to suggest that he's anything other than the most dogmatic
left wing progressive, and Jade Vance certainly sees it too.
This is cut thirty one. Here he is just laying
out the case against kamalas VP.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Here's the thing about Tim falls.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Look, Tim Walls is a guy who wants to take
children away from their parents if the parents don't agree
to do sex changes and the school wants too. That's crazy, right,
a fundamental violation prinal rights. This is a guy who
win rioter we're burning down the biggest city in Minnesota,
was actively cheering them on. You think the black business
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leaders in Minneapolis are grateful, the working class business leaders
are grateful that Tim Waltz allowed rioters to burn down
their businesses. You think that people are grateful to have
a guy who wants to ship manufacturing jobs off to China.
There's no way the American people are going to buy it.
It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think that's right. I don't think he's overstating it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I think Tim Wats is a huge swing in Amiss
for the Democrat ticket.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
No doubt.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
And also I think we have another jd Vance clip
where he says on the airplane right after it was
announced that this is them doubling down on the BLM.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Riots of twenty twenty. This, to me, Buck is when.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I immediately think Minnesota, I think, sorry, sorry for everybody
in Minnesota. Man, they never win anything in sports.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's my first thought.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm sorry, Minneapolis listeners, how dare you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I hate?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
They know what I'm talking about. They haven't won a
title since the Twins. They have four different big teams.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I just I object. I'm off in my corner here,
Clay's gone rogue.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
That's the first thing I think about when I think
about Minnesota. Oh, they have a lot of teams and
they always lose. Second thing that I think is unfortunately,
and this is more serious. I think about the Minneapolis
riots and for Kamala Harris to have bailed out the rioters,
and for Tim Waltz to have refused to call out
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the state National Guard and end the riots that led
to police precincts being burned down, that led to a
what is it? I think team looked this up. I
think murders tripled in Minneapolis because so many police officers
quit because the State of Minnesota did not have their back.
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This is the guy who was in charge. Then this
is the guy that you want to who double down
on Listen to cut thirty one. Is that the cut
we just played? Maybe that's the cut we just played.
There's more than one. Twenty eight twenty eight is jd
Vance on the plane directly addressing this, which I think
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for a lot of people is what they think about
when they hear Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It just highlights how radical Kamala Harris is.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
This is a person who listened to the Hamas wing
of her own party and selecting a nominee.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
This is a guy.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Who's proposed shipping more manufacturing jobs to China, who wants
to make the American people more reliant on garbage energy
instead of good American energy, and has proposed defunding the police,
just as Kamala Harris does. I think it's interesting, Actually
they make an interesting tag team because of course Tim
Waltz allowed riders to burn down Minneapolis in the summer
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of twenty twenty, and then the few who got caught
Kamala Harris helped failed them out of jail. So it
is more instructive for what it says about Kamala Harris
that she doesn't care about the border, she doesn't care
about crime, she doesn't care about American energy and most importantly,
she doesn't care about the Americans who have been made
to suffer under those policies.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
That is a really good tour to force there. I
love the idea of this is the tag team that
believed that Minneapolis should burn and that if it did burn,
the people who were doing the burning should get bailed out.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I think that's a great line. I think it connects.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I actually think it really hurts in the Midwest, which
is where people are going to be making these decisions.
This is I think a devastating own goal by Kamala
Harris in this selection.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Objectively, to the degree that anything in politics can be objective.
If you are a moderate, if you are an undecided voter,
the Kamala Harris Waltz ticket should be kryptonite to you.
There there is nothing moderate about either one of these
individuals on any issue. I mean, that's a there. It's
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not with Biden that you had a couple of things.
His longevity in politics have meant that he had taken
so many positions over such a long period of time.
As we talked about the crime Bill in the nineties,
you know, tried to run away from it, but Republicans
should have just been saying, well, actually that was the
right idea, like when you've been yes, and he was
part of the Democrat Party transforming from a well, I
(07:17):
mean from being a center left party to being a
far left party. I mean that has he's been through
that whole process. So he could always point to, oh, well,
you know back in the eighties when Democrats like didn't
all hate America. You know, this is what I said,
do you know what I mean? He was able to
He was able to have it both ways because he
had been in the game so long that he had taken,
you know, every position Democrats had ever taken on everything.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
With Kamala and Waltz or Harris and Waltz.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Don't want to just call it. I think what's wrong
with Colin vin first name, With Harrison Walls. There is
no ground, there's no ability to make a moderate argument.
They are not moderates. There's nothing about them that's modern.
There's nothing about them that points to this. And even
when people talk about Cop Kamala and how she was
hard on crime in San Francisco, that's not true. It's
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not even accurate for a period of time. It may
have been politically advantageous to her as DA to crack
down on some drug crimes, but then she totally flipped
on all that as state Attorney General and was one
of the people pushing for you can steal up to
nine hundred dollars, which effectively means you can steal whatever
you want, because guess what, they're not scanning and counting
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whether something adds up to nine hundred dollars when you
fill your arms full of stuff at a Nieman Marcus,
You know what I'm saying like this is that there
is no moderate argument for the The media is just
going to have.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
To lie and lie and lie and lie.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It is impossible to claim this is a moderate Democrat
ticket in any stretch of the imagination, which is again
why Shapiro would Shapiro was less communist, Mark.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Kelly, I mean, this was a disaster pick. Yesterday.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
I was not optimistic because I thought Kamala is going
to get a VP bounce, She's gonna pick Shapiro, and
then they're going to roll into the convention and by
September she's going by Labor Day, she's going to have
the lead. I don't think that's true now, I think
that this is if anything actually going to hurt her.
It's the opposite of a bounce, whatever recession, whatever the
opposite of a VP bounce would be. And I gotta
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tell you, they got to clip this. The Trump team
does that line. They make an interesting tag team because
Tim Waltz allowed rioters to burn down Minneapolis in the
summer of twenty twenty, and the few that got caught,
Kamala Harris helped bail them out of jail. Jd Vance
Scott Wagner, smart guy, texted me earlier today that they
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should have ads saying make America burn again, Kamala Waltz
because to me, again leaving aside my maybe a bit
unfair attack on Minneapolis never winning anything in sports, when
I think about Minnesota, I think about the failure of
people to be protected in that state during twenty twenty.
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I think a lot of people out there think the
same thing. This is something to lean in on.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, next time you're gonna go fishing for some
muskies and some walleye, you better stay out of the
Land of ten Thousand Lakes, mister Clay Travis.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
I think there's a huge percentage of Minnesota's listening to
us right now. When I said that, they dropped their
head in silent and they won't even put a.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Fight on it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, they're just like basketball fans in New York. You're
just you just had to be like the next of
the worst. I've just got a franchise of the last
thirty years. It's just true. You just gotta take it.
I mean the Twins.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
The Twins lost like seven hundred and sixty four consecutive games.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And Captain wampwomp over here with the sports now too.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I just know the is inevitably shank a field goal
anytime they have a chance to win something that matters. Buck,
that's a great stat you know. I'm sorry for Martin
Anderson out there. I believe it was Morton Anderson. Guy
didn't miss a field goal the whole season, had a
chance to put the Vikings in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Miss the field goal.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Clay, you were just joy riding in the wreckage of
Vikings fans dreams right now, Okay, you know we were
trying to get them all motivated to go to the
polls and defeat this communist that their governor is now
going to be vice president.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I just I cannot believe this is a gift. I
don't know who's advising Kamala Harris, but she made the
worst VP pick. I'm trying to think of a VP
pick that I would look at and I would say, oh,
my goodness, like this is.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I think Tim Kaine for Hillary was really weak. And
I do think people are already making this comparison between
Waltz and Cain. They're both just kind.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Of bland, old white guys, lumpin proletariat, old white guy socialists,
nothing impressive, nothing, no charisma. I think with Hillary, at
least you could say that choice was a I'm winning,
I don't I don't want to rock the boat and
make a choice that hurts me.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It was sort of.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
A blandly in a defensive choice to me, if you're behind,
and I think Kamala is, the last thing you want
to do with your VP is make it harder for
you and reinforce the things that people didn't like about
the choices you've made. I mean, I would have taken
Waltz off the board, and I thought surely she would
have just based off the fact that she raised money
(12:20):
for the rioters buck. I would have said the last
thing I want to do is reinforce my defund the
police screw up and the fact that I raised money.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I mean, think about how.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Critical people are of Trump for simply saying he would
pardon the January sixth some of them rioters that that
have been convicted, Kamala bailed them out. She was raising
money to never hold them accountable in any way for
the crimes that they committed.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And you know, they really were extending physically. First of all,
a lot of those rioters hurt cops. They hit them
with rocks, they threw bottles, they threw bottles of urine
at them. I talked about this a lot of the time, Clay.
Some of these BLM rioters at a federal courthouse in
Portland who're trying to shine lasers in the eyes of officers,
hoping that they would they would damage their site and
blind them. I said, if someone told me I'm trying
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to blind you, I mean, I think you're allowed to
use I think you're allowed to use extreme physical force.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Stop that from happening.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
If someone's like, oh, I'm just gonna blind you, I
think I should be allowed to shoot at you. I'm
just gonna say it. It's true if someone really thinks
that they can blind me. I mean, those lasers can
do damage your eyes. It's harder for them to actually
blind you, from what I understand, But just think about
the mentality I'm going to blind these cops and these
people are psychopaths, and they're all Democrat based voters. What
us up prize to absolutely nobody. I think that they
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were doing horrible things. And when they destroy these businesses.
Ask somebody who's had a house burned down or a
business burned down what it's like dealing with insurance. I
actually just went through this with a friend of mine recently,
was explaining it is a nightmare. Insurance company doesn't want
to write you a check, and they want to write
you the smallest check possible, and they're going to deduct
any kind of expenses they can. I mean, it's you know,
if you think that your business is worth two million dollars,
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you're lucky. If you get a check at the end
for eight hundred grand, you know it's it's and you
know then you've got expenses that you have to pay
and all kinds of things.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
So they ruin people's lives and for what For what?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Because of George Floyd because a drug addict died of
a combination of physical compression and heart attack because it
was high on fentanyl. Really, that means you burned down
a neighborhood. Where was the stern speech from Waltz about
that one? Where was the Hey, this is not who
we are as a people, as Americans. We don't burn
down neighborhoods. The cop ended up going to prison for
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twenty five years, his life is destroyed. We could have
a whole other conversation as to whether that's fair. By
the way, I don't believe it is. But still Tim
Waltz is in favor of all this stuff, and now
we're gonna make h Vice President Kamalo is bailing them out.
I mean Clay unforgivable stuff, unforgivable stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
And just can't believe that they reinforced this, which is
why I'm stunned, beyond belief that they made this choice.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, I think it's it's absolute utter madness, and it's
just it's horrific as this continues to play out in
this way.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
If you're listening to twenty four the Year of Impact
with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
We've got our friend Carol Markowitz joining us now. She
is the host of the Carol Markowitz Show on the
Clay and Buck Network, which is growing every month because
the more of you that listen to it, the more
you know that.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And also, I've never met a mom out there who
didn't love Carol's work. Shoot, so for all the moms listening,
you got to check out the Carol Podcast. Carol should
We got a lot to talk to about today. Welcome
as always, Clay and I love getting a chance to
talk to you. Haven't seen you since Florida. Clay was
Clay was enjoying all that Florida freedom, although it's free
in Tennessee too, but he knows Florida's got something special
(15:58):
going on. He won't admit that, but it's just true now,
although no, he owns a house in Florida, so he
does admit it.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's fine. Let's start with this.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Is it really just pure anti semitism that kept Shapiro
off the VP ticket and made it walltz?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Is that really what's going on? Or are we missing something?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
So?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
I think it is, and I'll tell you this. I
was very worried that she would pick jos Shapiro, and
that would be a strong pick. He seems like he's
got it all going on in the Democratic Party right now,
and she needs to win Pennsylvania. Donald trumpet win Pennsylvania.
It's a very competitive state. Having a popular governor who
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doesn't say crazy things, doesn't do crazy things would have
been a plus for a ticket. So I was very
worried that she was going to pick him, But the
anti Semitic left made that easy for me because they
basically pressured the Kamala Harris campaign into not choosing him,
and so instead she went with Tim Walls, who was
an absent governor during the BLM rye. He let his
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cities burn, his daughter let the protesters know when the
National Guard was going to be on duty, based on
what information she had from within her dad's office. I mean,
this is a radical left pick. So yeah, a lot
of Jews are feeling uncomfortable with where the Democrats are,
but it shouldn't be just Jews. Americans should be uncomfortable.
She picked someone far left and this is the ticket
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that they're going to ride into November. If this is
the next president and vice president.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We're all in trouble, Carol.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
We've been talking for months now about whether this rising
tide of anti Semitism on the left, characterized by college
campus protests by the squad inside of the Democrat Party itself,
would force some Jewish voters to recalibrate their election decisions. Yeah,
I'm curious how you would analyze this. But one data
point that's out today in the New New York Times
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poll of the state of New York, which has Kamala
Harris winning New York by fourteen points, which would be
nine points less than Biden wanted in twenty twenty, Trump
is actually winning Jewish voters by one point. I believe
it's fifty to forty nine, if I'm not mistaken or
something along that. I'm curious if you saw that, do
you think New York is emblematic of how Jewish voters
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might vote nationwide or is it a bit of a
different animal.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Well, I'll tell you. If they're getting that those kinds
of numbers in New York, I think it'll be higher elsewhere.
So Trump got thirty percent of the Jewish vote nationally
in twenty twenty, but he got like thirty four percent
in places like Florida. And really what we're looking at,
and it's not enough data points from twenty twenty is
the Pennsylvania Jewish vote, because that could really move the needle.
A lot of people are very concerned about the Pennsylvania
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Jewish vote, you know, on the left, and they should
be because look what just happened. Look how she rejected
the Jewish governor. But that's really where the numbers are
going to be. I think New York is a more
left leaning Jewish voter, even considering the large Orthodox population.
So if he's in New York, I think that that
number will be higher in places like, for example, Florida,
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And so we'll see. My thing was these things happen slowly.
I think the Jewish vote is moving rightward, and it
has been for the last few years. I think the
Jewish vote on Long Island made a difference in the
midterm elections. I think that the Republicans picked up seats
because of that Jewish vote. It's happening, it's happening slowly.
I set the number at thirty eight percent. My good
friend Josh Hammer thinks is maybe about forty Nationally. If
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you go above that, that'll be a real sea change,
and it won't just be for one election.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
By the way, if you're right, that would be roughly
an eight point improvement or ten point improvement. That's a
pretty seismic difference in terms of how the Jewish vote
would break if you're right that it goes from seventy
thirty to sixty forty exactly.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
And the thing is that, you know, if that happens,
then you do count on things like the Pennsylvania Jewish
vote winning Pennsylvania for Donald Trump. Even though it's a
small percentage, it's enough to move the needle. And so
you have that in certain places where that could really
make a difference. It can make or break the campaign
for him. So I obviously I am a lifelong conservative.
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I have always hoped that Jews wake up and vote
Republican because that's clearly what benefits them. You know, forget
about Israel, but if it benefits us in America, the
Republican Party is more app to protect us and more
app to let us protect ourselves, which is really important
to me. So I hope that Jews wake up and
do the right thing in November.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Now, Carol, we're speaking of Carol Markwitz, just reminding you
so that you can go subscribe to the Clay and
Buck podcast network. Click on Carol Show you listen to it.
She does great stuff. Also a fantastic columnist. And my
mom gets excited every time I get to hang out
with Carrol because she's a huge Carol fan.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So Clay, do you have this too. We're like family
members in our business.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
They're never you know, they're family, They're never excited to
like hang out with us because whatever. But it's like, oh,
you hang out with like Carol Markwitz or like oh
Jesse Kelly is so funny, and you're like, yeah, I'm
okay too, right Anyway, true story, true story.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
For mar A Lago.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
By the way, since I'm going through this digression, Trump
Trump sees me, sees Carol, he brings us over are
he's sitting at his table.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
He wants to travelis a little bit and.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
He's like he's like, he's like Buck, He's like, you're
doing great work. You're doing great Carol, better than you,
but you're still doing great work.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Just like that. So anyway, it was fun.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But yeah, but uh, Carol jd Vance, all the women
commentary around jd Vance, is it a problem?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Is it.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Is it fair to him? Is it just noise? And
where do you come down on that.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
I think that most of the people who had a
problem with what he was saying, we're never going to
vote for the Trump Vance ticket, and they shouldn't spend
too much time trying to, you know, recoup those people.
But look, it hurts some feelings of women on the
right who maybe want to be married but aren't and
don't enjoy being called, you know, childless cat ladies. And
I get that. I really do understand that, and I
(21:53):
feel for those people. So what I would say is
that Trump Vance campaign should focus on women's issue use
and that are the same issues as men's issues. We
care about the border, we care about crime, we care
about affording groceries at the store. So these are all
issues that cater to men and women, and that's what
they should focus on. Was Vance wrong in saying that
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a society that's not having children doesn't care about the future. No,
I worry about that. For example, with Britain. Britain seems
kind of a drift and not really focused on the future.
And I blame a lot of that on the fact
that so many people don't have kids. And therefore don't
have this eye on what the future of the country
will look like, because why would it really matter? So
I get what he was saying in the macro. He
(22:37):
should have been kinder and maybe gentler about it in
the micro That's really the point here that when you
talk to women you kind of have to use a
little bit of a different tone. But was he wrong
though he wasn't wrong, And I don't think they should
spend another minute talking about.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
This, Carol, we're sitting here on I got to make
sure I get the date right, August sixth. If you
were setting odds, how confident are you that Trump wins?
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I am such a doomsday person. I don't know, you know,
I was. I was somebody that worried a lot that
they were going to drag Joe Biden across that finish line.
And I feel better with Kamala.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Harris to cut you off.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
But I was so right for so long. It's like,
you know, somebody, somebody said, it's like taking me under
and in a sport game, and I was. I was
right right up until I wasn't. But you know, I
think that it's I think we don't live in a
country that alects Kamala Harris far leftist with her far
left VP nominee. I really believe in US, so I
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imagine that Trump has to pull it out. I think
some things need to break his way. I think that
his trials kind of need to be in the background,
and I know the Democrats will push him to the foreground.
But do we live in a country where President Kamala
Harris is inaugurated in January? I just I hope not.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I'm with care on this one man. It's just at
that point, what is America if the Harris wall Walls Walls.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Apparently we've been told not.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Walls, whatever his name is, whatever his name is.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I saw somebody, you'll appreciate this, Carrol Communists, go ahead,
I was saying. I saw some people saying, this is
the most difficult apostrophe combo in presidential ticket history, with
Harris and Waltz, Walls, whatever the guy's name is, this
is I agree. I think it's an unmitigated disaster if
it's possible, if they can get elected, they are legitimately
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I think the farthest left wing ticket in American political history.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't think that's nuperbole.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
That's right, and look, you know, we we buckled down
in Florida. If that, if that happens and we started
a revolution of our own right.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Red states, I would say, well, I'm in a red
state now in Tennessee. But I would say that a
lot of people would respond by moving to red states
because I do think there are people up with the
federal level who say, Okay, I want to move to
a red state and make sure that at least i'm
protected there.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Ron de Santis actually shared on X Carol that you
probably saw this that when it comes to Minnesota and Florida,
a Minnesota is five times as likely to permanently move
to Florida as a Floridian is to move to Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Not surprising, but still, I.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Mean, that's a tough move to go Florida into Minnesota.
I mean, I don't know very many people are like, hey,
I'm going to give up warm weather all year round.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I want to freeze my ass off.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It would take a while to sell all your flip
flops on eBay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
It's not great.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Yes, So it's a tough transition. Carol, Thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Everybody you're listening to twenty four, The Most Important Tier
in Politics with Clay Travis en Box Sexton.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Our friend Sean Parnell joins. He's a combat veteran New
York Times best selling author of Outlaw Platoon. He also
hosts Battleground Live on the Clay and Buck podcast Network.
He's a fantastic host. Check out that show, subscribe to
the Clay and Buck podcast Network, and then listen to
the Sean Parnell Show. Sean, great to have you, my friend.
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Good to talk to you again. As always, Buck, it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is great to be here.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
Thank you and Clay for having me as well.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So let's start with the big item today, Sean, that
I think you could really shed some light on. There's
a lot of criticism and it's coming to me as
well as a lot of other people, but coming to
me from veterans specifically, who are saying this guy Walls
wants to tell us all that you know, he served
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and we should all kind of bow down to his
veteran status. And it's all great and it's amazing, But
when it came time, after many years being a sergeant
major to go to a rock, he chose not to go.
Can you break this down?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Firs?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
As somebody who was over there, was in combat, and
you served his country at that level. What do you
make of what we know about Governor Waltz and his
service at this point.
Speaker 10 (27:09):
Buck, It's it's cowardice, plain and simple. And let me
give you a sense of how eighteen year old privates,
which by the way, very very different from a command
sergeant major. Command sergeant major is the highest enlisted rank
in the United States Military Command Sergeants major are the
heart and soul of any unit.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
They're the door kickers.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
They teach, they coach, they mentor they train units. And
Walls probably had eight hundred plus soldiers at a minimum
beneath him. But my soldiers, my privates in combat and again,
I was in combat for four hundred and eighty five
days in Afghanistan. Let an infantry PLATOONA at the height
of the hunt for Bin Laden. I watched my soldiers
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do extraordinary things in combat because they were afraid of
letting each other down. I watched my medic, his name
is Doc Pantoha, get shot in the face and then
treat twelve casualties without ever once taking care of himself,
three of which would have died without his help. I
watched a kid in my platoon named Canton Winn get
shot in the head. He was ebac to Germany developed
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the blood clot When the docs tried to send him home,
he said, no, keep me here in Germany because when
I heal up, I want to get back to my soldiers.
All of that buck was because they didn't want to
let their brothers down next to them in the trenches.
And keep in mind, the job that most of these
kids had before joining the United States Military was high
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school shortstop, and so everything that we do in the
military is geared towards not letting your brothers and sisters down.
And that obligation is far greater if you're a leader,
whether you're a non commissioned officer and enlisted leader in
the United States Military or an officer. You know, when
I was in ranger school, like probably the most difficult
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school that the United States leadership school that the Army
has to offer. I mean, it was constantly about starving you,
keeping you awake, you know, marching twenty miles a day,
putting you in very very high pressure leadership situations where
they turn to you and say, make a decision, you know,
make a decision ranger, Lead, what are you going to do?
And I'll never forget in combat, trapped in a kill
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zone with my radio telephone operator looking at me these big,
bright blue eyes and he's you know, we're got surrounded, outmanned,
out gunned, shot shooting at us from all different directions.
He's looking at me and reverberating on my mind or
make a decision?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Lead right?
Speaker 10 (29:39):
And so Walls has an obligation as a command sergeant major,
the senior enlisted member in his battalion, in his unit,
to when they get orders to go to combat, to
go to Iraq. It's his job to lead. It's his
job to lead from the front, to to set the example.
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Run to the sound of gunfire, not away, but in
those critical moments when all of his soldiers eight hundred
plus at a minimum, by the way, buck eight hundred
plus looking at him, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and probably
a little bit afraid that they're going into the fray,
he tucked tails and he runs at that critical moment.
I mean what like it basically says to these kids
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who are going into Iraq and don't know whether or
not they're gonna come home alive. Hey, good luck, hope
you survive. I'm out of here. I'm retiring. It's it's
just gutting bucks. It's hard to describe the level of
cowardice that it takes for a leader in the United
States military, especially one that served for twenty four years.
They tried out this twenty four years thing, like it's
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something about, oh, look how long he's served, he should
know better after two years, twenty four years, it's just
dereliction of duty of the highest order, of the highest order.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Sean I Buck and I talked about this because I
saw you tweeting about it as soon as this story started,
and I said, I want to bring on Sean because
I don't even feel that comfortable analyzing it because frankly,
I never served, so a lot of people I think
out there here, oh twenty four years, and they automatically think, hey,
this is a valorous guy. But I think your perspective
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is so important. How many people do you think that
have served in combat zones when they hear this about
Tim Walls have the exact same reaction that you do.
In other words, how commonplace do you think your opinion
is among those who have actually put their lives on
the line. Overseas or elsewhere.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Everyone Clay, every single person that served overseas, probably looks
at this decision with disdain because the reality is is
that when you get orders to go to combat, to
go to war, regardless of where it is, you sacrifice
a lot to do that. And you know, you sacrifice
time with your family. If you have kids, you sacrifice
time with your children. The truth is, nobody wants to go,
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but you sattle up and you go anyway because it's
your duty, and you have a duty, an obligation to
the man and woman in the trenches next to you.
And if you're a leader, that obligation is even greater
because you know you have an obligation to lead from
the front, to go to where the fire is heaviest,
right to where you can have the biggest impact on
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the battlefield. And not only that, you know that every
decision that you make could forever alter the trajectory of
your soldiers, and God forbid, if you make a bad one,
one of them goes home in a body bag. And
by the way, what I'm talking about is I'm not
the exception to this, I'm the rule. This is the
situation that America's sons and daughters in find themselves in
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whether they're an enlisted leader or an officer, when they
raise their right hand and volunteer to serve in the military. Clay,
So anyone that has shouldered that awesome responsibility of leading
America's sons and daughters. Nobody wants to go to combat,
but you saddle up and you go anyway because it's
your duty. And for him to talk tail and run
and then try to make the case that he should
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be the vice president of the United States a heartbeat
away from the presidency while simultaneously calling Donald Trump and JD.
Vance weird, it's just beyond It's just beyond comprehension.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Sean really appreciate that that perspective. We needed to hear
that a lot. You know, we have so many veterans,
we have so many active duty that listen to this show,
and so to bring in somebody who has who has
really been out there and understands these decisions, I think
it's just necessary perspective. I also want to bring in
your perspective as a native son of Pennsylvania, a Pittsburgh
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area guy who has run for Congress and knows the
political battlefield, not you're talking about the battlefield of Afghanistan
or rockyf but now in the political battlefield quite a
bit different. They didn't go with the governor of your state, Shapiro.
How do you now assess Trump the Kamala in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Well, first of all, let me just say, as someone
who's run for office twice in Pennsylvania, I gotta tell you,
Clay Buck, I'm very glad that they did not pick
Josh Shapiro. Because Josh Shapiro fakes a good game, he
fakes being a moderate and of course we all understand
there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat. But he's
in the most important swing state in the nation. I
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contend that Pennsylvania is the swing state because if you
win Pennsylvania Democrat or Republican, it's far more likely that
you win Michigan. It's far more likely that you win Wisconsin.
And so to not pick Josh Shapiro because of the
pro Hamas base pro Hamas base of their party, when
Shapiro has sixty percent favorability and just won an election
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here in Pennsylvania just a couple of years ago, I'm
telling you it's mind blowingly stupid. Decision because vice presidential candidates,
while they don't always carry their home state and a
presidential cycle, oftentimes this is empirically validated over time. They're
good for a one point eight percent bump in their
home state. And guess what one point eight percent in
Pennsylvania could make all the difference. So I am glad
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that Kamala picked Walls because right now, between Harris and Walls,
we have what I believe to be the most radical
top of the ticket in the history of our country.
And I don't think that's hyperbole, and that's not going
to play well in Pennsylvania, where you have over one
point two million independents that are trying to assess where
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they want to go with their lives. And I think
when they go into that election booth clay Buck and
they pull that lever, it's going to be a very
simple calculation for them. What life was like under Trump,
you know, food gas affordable four toh one k going up,
and what life is like under Biden and who Kamala
Harris is connected to life is a heck of a
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lot harder now. And when you're trying to make the
case to independence, you know, Blue staters like somebody from
Minnesota like Walls, somebody from California like Harris. They struggle
mightily to talk to those centrists that are critically important
to win. So I think it bodes well for Trump
and JD in Pennsylvania that they've got this crazy radical
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Walls on the ticket.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Okay, you're a you're a Philly, you're a Pittsburgh guy.
I got an important question for you. To close out
everything you covered. You covered what you seemed to be
Tim Wallas's cowardice. You just broke down how Pennsylvania is
gonna go uh in the election. This is the question
that people in Pittsburgh care about the most. Who's going
to be the quarterback this year? And how's he gonna do?
Speaker 10 (36:47):
You know, I look this, I'll tell you what Russell
Wilson hurting his calf. I mean, there's always a quarterback
controversy in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But I would tell you this,
like I would be remiss to weigh in on that
topic now, because.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Way, hold on, hold on, this is amazing.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
You'll give you'll give an opinion on Tim Walls's service record,
on Kamala Harris's choice of vice president, not even blink,
just fire full speed. I ask you to break down
the Steelers quarterback situation. You are a die hard Steelers
fan and you're like I just I don't know that
I can weigh in on this is amazing.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
I don't listen, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
You combat four and fifty days taking bullets from me
trying to kill you for over a year, and you
won't tell me who the quarterback is gonna be.
Speaker 10 (37:41):
Look, look, Steelers fans are vicious. Okay, they're passionate. They're
the best traveling fans in football. I'll tell you this.
Justin Field's throwing dimes in training camp. I've been watching
very optimistic about that. He's got some longevity, He's got
legs underneath him, which is good for the Pittsburgh offense.
But hey, Russell Wilson, veteran quarterback, is good under pressure
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in those critical moments, especially if you make it to
the playoffs. And I'm hoping fingers crossed that the Steelers
make it to the playoffs, and so you know, we'll
see where the cars love.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
But I definitive answer to the most pressing questions in
the world. Put him on the spot for who's going
to be Steelers quarterback and he gets.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Right on the fence.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
But this is.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
He's you know, the Haconing network trying to ambush him
for eighteen months, Like, yeah, but what's the depth chart
of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Clay, I don't want to get
myself into too much stress and trouble here.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So by the.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Way, Sean, as we go to break, I told I
told you, I told Buck. We got to meet in
person at the event we just did last week. You
and your wife fantastic. We're happy to have you as
a part of the podcast network despite your cowardice on
picking a Steelers quarterback. I would encourage everybody out there
to go listen to Sean Parnell's podcast. I guarantee you're
gonna love it. And we appreciate the time today.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Buck, take care guys. Yeah, great to
see you man.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact
with Clay.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
And Buck, our friend Ryan Gurdusky joins.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
He is the author of the National Populis news letter,
which you can subscribe to on substack. He's the founder
of the seventeen seventy six Project PAC, master of election
data and quite a very nice fellow, mister Ryan Gerdusky.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
How are you good?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
To have you on?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Good thanks for having me all right, So, I don't
know if you've been hearing this at all. And of
course you listen to Clayton Buck Show every day, so
you must have been hearing it. But let's just reread
for a second, every day, all three hours the sense
that clay has he is concerned, he is worried about
this election. I am not worried. I am quietly confident.
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Should we be worried based on the numbers you are
seeing now?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
And if so, why?
Speaker 11 (39:57):
I mean, look, it's it is well, it's Republicans are
doing with the whiplash right now. Two and a half weeks ago,
Republicans had a real chance at winning New Jersey, and
now they're in competition in Georgia again. So we are
in a position that we are not as comfortable as
we certainly were under Biden right before he dropped out. However,
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Donald Trump is still polling better than he ever did
at any time he's ever run for office, aside from
the last month with Joe Biden. He's certainly polling better
than he did in twenty twenty certainly better than he
did in twenty sixteen. I'll break it down by the
few polls that have come out in the last couple
of weeks. This is according to a voter hub Harris
right now has on the last three polls. In Pennsylvania,
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Harris has a point six percent lead to a point
one percent lead depending on how many poles you count Michigan.
In Michigan, Harris's lead is point twenty seven. In Wisconsin,
its point is one point two. Uh Nevada, it's point eight.
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In North Carolina, Trump leads by two. Georgia Trump leads
by point six, and in Arizona, Trump leads by one
point two. Now, with the exception of just Georgia, all
of these numbers are still better than where he was
in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen in all of
these states. And I will say that a lot of
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what we're seeing as far as Harris surge go is
not a lot of people dropping from the Trump train
and going over to Harris. It's people. It's disenfranchised and
disenfranchised Democrats, especially a lot of minorities and young people
who did not like Joe Biden but are comfortableting for
Kamala Harris. That is the Kamala Harris search. There is
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a ceiling to that surge. It's not a never ending
growth that has no limitation to it, and it is
a bit of a sugar high. I have never seen
in my life someone searged ten points with favorability and
managed to keep it, I mean search ten points overnight
and managed to keep it for very long. She hasn't
opened her mouth up. Her running mate is a lunatic
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and absolute far left French nutbag. So there is definitely
gonna be some recourse over time. It's just is there
enough time to get where there needs to be? That's
the big question.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
How is it looking right now in Well, actually there's
two parts of this. One is how's it looking right
now in Pennsylvania for Trump? And the second part is
is Pennsylvania basically do or die for both candidates.
Speaker 11 (42:38):
I don't see a way that Harris can win without Pa.
There is a path to Trump if he loses Pa.
You win Wisconsin, when Arizona win Georgia in North Carolina
and win. Harris cannot win without Pennsylvania. There's no path
for her without Pennsylvania. And I will remind people I mean,
Pennsylvania has the more accurate polling as far as midst
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as far as Roust Belt states go. It's certainly easier
to pull because they do register voters by party, not
by self identification in the polls onlike Michigan and Wisconsin,
where you just register to vote and you're a registered
voter and you decide if you're a Republican or Democrat
when you go vote in primaries. Npa, you have to
vote with a party, and you have to stick to
the party, and you can only vote in the party's primaries.
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So it's a little easier to find where voters are
in Pennsylvania. It's listen to. Pennsylvania is extremely, extremely, extremely important.
There's no other way to say it. There are certain
factors working against Trump. Mainly one the areas of the
Coller Counties are in Philadelphia have definitely grown in population,
They're more liberal than they used to be, and the
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rural counties have been emptying out over the last several decades,
including the four years since Trump last ran in eight
years since he won the state. But Republican registration is
up in a lot of the cities where Trump's immense
games from twenty sixteen to twenty two twenty, sites like Redding, Lancaster,
Proper City, even Philadelphia because of a surge of a
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Hispanic and Asian population that that population has continued to
grow and Trump's support within that population has continued to grow.
You'll see precincts if you look at precinc changes from
twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, where there were precincts that
Trump got three percent five percent the first time in
twenty sixteen, where he got twenty two to twenty three,
twenty four percent the second time. That will help offset
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some of the suburban trends away from Trump.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
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Speaker 4 (44:36):
I'm a subscriber. I read it every week.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Now, let's look at.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
The demographics that could determine this election. And let's start
with one that I know you've done a lot of
number crunching on white working class voters, white male working
class voters in the Ross belt.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Are they likely to be definitive?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Are they likely to just be a big piece of
a larger of a larger pie. I mean, what do
you make of their role in this.
Speaker 11 (45:08):
So let's say winning a winning a probably making a
Republican a president. Winning a Republican presidential candidacy is like
making a cake. If that if that was the analogy
I'm using. White working classmen are the batter. You cannot
make a cake without the batter. It is impossible. And
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it's not a question of are they going to support Trump?
They overwhelmingly are. Maybe a third might vote for Kamala,
but maybe even less than that, maybe even a quarter.
It's a matter of turnout. Whites without a college degree
have the worst, have the history of the worst voter
turnout of any group among among blacks, college educated whites,
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and non college of whites, they turn the least. Only
his recent immigrants like Hispanics turnout less than they do.
That is the most important game is if they can
sit there and they can actually show up and show
up in big numbers. If they can, then the election
is definitely don't go into one way, which will go
to Trump. And there are more of them, I mean,
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this is what there's a wild fascination and this dream,
this fever dream among a lot of Republican donors that
they're going to win twenty five percent of the black vote,
thirty percent on the black votes and something like that.
For every one percent of the black vote that they
hope to gain, it would be the equivalent of if
they gain one percent more with a white vote, it
would be like gaining five points with the black vote.
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And they are much more important in the more important
states Michigan, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, a lot of retirees,
all those posits are in North Carolina. Winning those voters
and winning the low hanging fruit is much easier, and
it's much more important. It's but it's a persuasion thing.
It's a turnout game, and I think that's really where
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the election is won or loss, and it's primarily when
I lost in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
You might have seen Ryan, there's some, uh, there's some
back and forth chatter on x now over whether the
Trump ground game in the key states and specifically to
do the turnout operations that you were just talking about
for non college educated white voters, is strong enough. Do
you have a view on that, do you have some
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insight into how Trump seems to be doing, and then
just also what is a really strong ground game for
those voters look like.
Speaker 11 (47:29):
Well, I think that what I would like to see more,
I don't know if I don't know how. I've heard
that good things about the about the turnout, about the
ground game, but I don't know enough. So I'm not
going to sit there and delve into what it is.
But what I would like to see more is more
coalitions building. So a coalition that and we can talk
about racial coalitions the way that Harris does, or we
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can talk about economic coalitions. There is a substantial amount
of people in this country, for example, who live in
motor homes, who live in motor home communities, a specially ironically,
they live primarily in swing states. I think it's almost
twenty million live primarily in swing states, Arizona, Georgia, Florida
used to be a swing state, but Florida, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.
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One of their big issues is they don't own the
land that they have their mobile home on, and a
lot of times corporations and big hedge funds buy the
land and out umprice them out and they become homeless.
It's a big conversation happening within microcosms of this country.
Targeting people like that targeting people within certain unions with
the Trump campaign has done very successfully as well as
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going after not only simply just minorities or white people whatever,
but targeting within white voters certain ethnic coalitions. Talking about
Christopher Columbus statues is extremely important with Italian Americans, there's
certain things with Eastern European Americans that make up huge
percentages of Pennsylvania. And talking about those kinds of conversations
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specifically with white voters, I think is very very important.
There's also conversations that we had generationally. I think Jdvans
being a millennial is very important people who are millennials.
We went through a different upbringing than other generations. We
had a very hard time. We had the Iraq War,
we had the two thousand and eight recession, we had
the dot com bubble. There was a lot of things
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in when we were going into both high schools and
college and post college careers that held a lot of
millennials back from owning a home, from starting their life
earlier on, and a lot of student debt. Those kinds
of conversations he is unique to have because he had
that experience. Waltz didn't, Harris didn't even Trump didn't because
they're just of a certain age. I think Jdvans could
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speak to those voters and speak those voters, especially in
the Midwest and in the sun Belts.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
You touched on this, Ryan, but I wanted to just
have you get into a little bit more. I mean,
I like the way you said it that Walls is
a lunatic. Is it clear in your mind already based
on the real action to Walls as the pick, as
well as how the numbers have moved, that this was
a mistake that is just common and making a bad decision.
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Or do you feel like they can still turn this
into Walls appealing to those white working class voters in
the swing states to maybe peel some off from Trump.
Not that many, but enough that it could be the
difference in Wisconsin or Michigan.
Speaker 11 (50:23):
Well, it might be the difference. But since Walls became governor,
fifty thousand people in Minnesota moved to Wisconsin. So a
lot of people know who Walls is and decided to leave.
I think that should be exacerbated and delved into as
to who are these people and why do they leave?
If they left because they hate Walls, make sure they're
going to go vote in Wisconsin, and that says of
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twenty twenty two. I'm sure in twenty twenty three and
twenty twenty four that number is actually even higher. That's
one thing, but also Walls's essential problem is he chases
the most fringe, lunatic elements of the Internet, and that's
where he finds his base defunding. He marched in their things,
tampons in boys bathrooms, his wife saying that that she
(51:05):
likes the smell of burning cities. These are the pole BLM.
Everything BLM was completely lunatic, fringe ideas, and he embraced
every single one of them. He chased the Internet crowd
wherever they went. He hosted someone who met a mom
who did pro Hitler movies, and celebrated the October seventh
(51:28):
massacres at the governor's mansion in Minnesota. He is the
most fringe person. On the outside, he looks like he
could be every Midwesterner's dad. But on the inside, you know,
if he was on MSNBC, Rachel Matta would tell him
to calm down. That's how crazy this man actually is.
And I think that that needs to be exposed is
(51:49):
don't buy the pack, don't buy the wrapping on the package.
What's inside the package is actually horrendous for you, and
you wouldn't want it if you were given as a gift.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Do you do you buy?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
The New York Times reporting that it really did just
come down the VP pick came down to who Kamala liked,
and it was her.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
They let it be her.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Decision, or was it really just mostly anti semitism. You
can't have Shapiro, even though he'd probably help you win Pennsylvania.
Speaker 11 (52:15):
I probably would guess the first part that it was
really who Harris liked. I think that she probably really
want I mean, Harris's dreamed of this moment for a
very very long time, and she probably wanted somebody whould
always play second Bill to her. Josh Shapiro probably wouldn't.
I don't know why they didn't pick Mark Kelly. Maybe
just didn't go well. But Shapiro is very, very ambitious.
He wants to be present. He's tried to make himself
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in the image of a Jewish Obama, and I think
that it would have been a lot of competition, and
it would have been a lot of anger if Democrats
were truly serious though about her chances. If there were
a lot of Democrats. You would have saw Gretchen Whitmer
and Newsome and Pritzker really throw their hat in the ring.
I think a lot of Democrats are pessimistic, but if
she can win, because if she does win, right, no
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matter if she wins a second term or enough Democrats
are out, A lot of these leading Democrats for the
future are out of the running. Until twenty thirty two,
a lot of them will have retired. Their whole chance
of being president will be over. So I think internally,
a lot of and in the back of their minds,
someone who's like Retchen Wimer obviously been trying to groom
(53:22):
herself with a job, trying to make us off a
national figure, trying to build a fundraising base, is probably
thinking to herself, Yeah, I could see Kamala losing, but
that's okay because I could still run. If Kamala wins,
She's never running for president. Neither his new sum neither
is Pritzker, neither is Shapiro. They'll all be term limited
out and be out of office by that point.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
It forced to put your last dollar on a Trump
victory or a Kamala victory. Ryan, don't worry, We'll only
play this back after the election.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
If you're right, who wins the election.
Speaker 11 (53:52):
We've done this so many times now, Yeah, I think
right now Trump's still gonna win. I still think that
he has to come back. I still think, yeah, I
still think he's gonna win because this is my reasoning,
my rationale for it. One, I do think that there's
an internal bias among voters for female candidates for president.
That's politically correct, but I do believe that's true. Secondly, Harris,
(54:14):
I mean, she went from being the character en VEEP
to being like this cool woman who just is It's
very bizarre. I don't believe that the hype is true
from the internet. And then lastly, Trump has always, always,
always overperformed poles in the Rust Belts. I think he
will do it again. I fundamentally do. Back in twenty twenty,
he was down six points in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
(54:37):
Right now he is down between point one to two
point seven in those three states. I do think he
can overperform in the end. And like I said before,
the supports he hasn't been losing support. It's just disenfranchised
Democrats have been building towards Harris but I think that
support is there for him too. He just needs to
really really double down on the white working class of
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the Midwest and speak to those voters.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
I've been saying the same thing. I totally agree. I've
been looking at those numbers. It all makes sense to me,
Ryan Gardusk. Everybody subscribe to the National Populist newsletter and
to check out the seventeen seventy six Project pack. Ryan,
thank you so much.
Speaker 11 (55:13):
Thank you.
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