August 21, 2024 • 36 mins
Huge contrast between radical Kamala Democrats and MAGA. Obama makes Trump joke on crowd size. Democrats believe your children should be able to decide to change gender without your consent. Retired Minnesota National Guard Sgt. Maj. Tom Behrends, who went to fight the war Tim Walz ducked out on, tells Clay and Buck the truth behind Walz’s military record. Caller from rural Minnesota on Walz.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour Clay and Buck gets going right now,
looking forward to diving into it all with you and
want to take some of your calls.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Sorry, last hour we got a little fired up and
we didn't get the calls we will at the end
of this hour.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Eight hundred two, eight two to eight, eight to two.
Clay and I both watched the Obama speeches last night,
looking at how things are going at this DNC. I
would say pretty much what we expected in every respect.
I think that if they can get through the DNC
without more numbers showing Kamala weakness, that should be considered
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a win for them. I think the Kamala speech is
a problem. The more people that watch it, the worse
it is for Democrats. She just does not come across well.
And the comparison to the Obama's will and to other speakers,
I might add, will not be favorable for Kamala Harris.
I think that's just obvious. I don't even think Democrats
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could try to agree with that, or maybe they would,
because they'll say anything. But there were a few moments
last night as well, you know, with the Obamas, there
was a lot of you know, how do.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I put this?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It was just a lot of the most broad kind
of bromides about America or the broadest problem It was,
you know, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know, we know that we can overcome any obstacle,
and we you know this is and I understand this
political rhetoric everyone says this kind of stuff where a
lot of people say this kind of stuff. Fine, but
there were also some moments that I think brought into
real contrast where the Democrat Party is today and where
the Republican Party is and specifically what Trump, uh and
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MAGA currently represents versus what Kamala Harris would continue with
Joe Biden's presidency. I mean, I think that the narrative,
the through line here is quite clear. You have two
Obama presidencies and then a Biden presidency, and now they
want to Harris presidency, which is in essence, on a
policy level, clay the fourth term of Obama is it's
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not Obama's fourth term, but I think it would be
a clear continuation and people could say, well, yeah, of
course they're Democrats.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Obama took the Democrat Party in a different direction from
certainly what John Carey and Bill Clinton and others before
him had done or wanted to do and a moment
that I thought really showed.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, we talked yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
They've got a giant inflatable iud, They've got women dressed
as abortion pills. They trot out this guy, Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Do you guys know that sometimes he wears camo?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Oh man, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Clay just isn't a side. It's so Look, I grew
up in Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I happen to have a dad who likes guns and hunting,
and so I was exposed to that. But most people
in Manhattan, they only wear camo, you know, as a
fashion statement.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You're from Tennessee, people wear it. But just that the
analysis of the coastal.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Media folks is, oh Man, just by wearing camo, the
Harris Walls ticket has reclaimed their their rural roots are
just like what you got like it's so condescending, it
really is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh they wore.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
A camo hats. I'm gonna vote for him now. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Well, in particular because I don't even blink when I
see people in camo. It's not even where I live
in Tennessee. It's not even something that remotely registers to
me as some sort of cultural signpost. When I see
someone walking around in camo. It just so the idea
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that there would be people who would see that and
think to themselves, Oh, I wasn't sure how I was
going to vote beforehand, but now I feel so seen
by the guy from San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh, I can trust them.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
They're not a bunch of like gender obsessed weirdos who
want a wide open border.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
They wear camo hats.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Tim Walls is to me the perfect exemplar or what
I'm trying to get at here is the more we
see of what the Democrats want, just put aside the
flowery rhetoric. Right, Tim Walls, Clay is supposed to be there,
you know, kind.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Of burly dad next door who wears Carhart and a
camo hat. This guy has the ideology of a Wesleyan
gender studies professor.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And that's what so, you know, that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It is so one just gross that Democrats try to
throw people off like.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You can trust Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Tim Walls actually would have the He sounds like somebody
that would have been teaching at a public school in
Manhattan in terms of his beliefs, meaning very left wing.
The the cultural accoutrement, the fact that you know, Tim
Walls may eat at Chick fil A and go, you know,
deer hunting once every four years or something, doesn't mean
that he shares beliefs. This is for me as a Manhattanite.
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Why is it that I can go and sit down
with people who live in you know, the most rural
art of Nebraska or Oklahoma anywhere, and we see the
world the same way and we agree on everything mostly right.
I mean I can sit there and talk them and
there's just this back and forth. It's because we're ideologically aligned.
What they're trying to do with this Democrat party right now,
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the fool people is present these politicians, as you can
trust them, they're look at Tim Wallas and Kamala Harris
even as a moderate. All of this is meant to
be a fake out. And the one moment that I
thought was if you dig into it a little bit.
Michelle Obama last night talked about those who oppose trans
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kids stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is cut too. Listen to what she says about this.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
Play demonizing our children for being who they are and
loving who they love.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Look, that doesn't make anybody's life better.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean, hold on a second, who is demonizing children. Okay,
and she used the word children, So let's let's dig
in this. Who's demonizing children in the context of the
trans agenda.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's not the children.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's actually the psychotic adults who want to use children
as like a fashion accessory to fit in with their
friends and tell everybody that, I mean, that is overwhelmingly
the case.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
There are other pressures, there are broader forces people. Can
you know this happened at They're all Women's college down
the street from me when I was in college, Clay
pressuring women to you know, adopt the different. But in general,
no one's demonizing children. They're demonizing adults who're filling children's
heads with craziness. But Michelle Obama trans kids. We're not
talking about adults here, trans kids, twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds,
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and she wants us to think that that's normal, that's
all American, that's the America of today.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
That's also where I think a lot of parents jump
off the train.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And you want to talk about.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
People who are reasonable, middle part of the country individuals.
I've got a sixteen, a thirteen, and a nine year old.
The nine year old doesn't get to pick what he
eats for every meal. Nobody out there who has young
kids lets them pick what they eat for every meal,
because they would eat candy, they would eat cake, they
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would eat the most unhealthy things imaginable if you let
a young child pick what they eat. This is an easy, easy,
I think, very understandable parent, grandparent move. The idea that
you would let a nine year old or a ten
year old or a twelve year old or a fourteen
year old pick their gender for life and give them
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drugs and or allow them to have surgery to reflect
that particular worldview is crazy and that is democratic orthodoxy.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Now the it is, and that's important. And Michelle Obama's
talking last night about you know the greatness of America
and if we all work together, and you know, Barack Obama,
same thing. You know, if we just all come together
and say no to bad things and say yes to
good things, then the future is you know, unicorns and
ponies and great things, all this stuff. They don't want
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parental notification for gender transition. Democrats oppose that we need
to understand this. So not only is it your fourteen
year old can get puberty blockers, not only is it
that you should i mean, we're not even getting into
the men and women's sports thing, which is just wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, it's just wrong. But they don't want parents. See,
this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's not just about it's not about parents. These kids
are being fed into a system that is trying to
separate the parental right of trying to do what is
best for the child all the time. And say, you're
not even gonna know you know what I'm saying that
they want cultural influences to be pushing kids to this
stuff and parents to be cut out.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
This is wrong, This is wrong.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Buck think about this.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
The tattoo argument, I think is a good one because
you can't get a tattoo anywhere under eighteen, and in fact,
if you're a parent and you're involved in that, sometimes
you can get charged with a crime. Obviously, tattoos nowhere
near as significant. But also think about what we do
with most crimes that are committed by kids who are
under the age of eighteen. We say, hey, by and large,
I know there are exceptions certain violent crimes where you
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get tried as an adult, but by and large, if
you're under eighteen and you commit a crime, we erase
that from your record. When you turn to an adult. Right,
Why do we do that? Because we don't believe that
young kids have the mental capacity to be held accountable
for the crimes they might commit. That is a hundreds
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of years policy that has existed in the United States.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Why would we let somebody change their gender.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
All of the logic that you and me, and our
grandparents and our great grandparents built up over decades and
de generations of life experience are suddenly being erased when
you say, hey, we've got to affirm that fourteen year
old's belief that he or she is in a different body.
And this is also important. If you are nineteen years old,
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I think it's a poor decision. Or twenty years old
and you decide that you want to be a man
physically as opposed to a woman, you have the right
to do that. I haven't heard anybody say that you
shouldn't be able to do that. I think it's a
poor choice. I think it's unlikely to make you happier.
But we allow adults to make decisions based on their
own pursuit of happiness that sometimes others of us might
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not approve of. All we're saying here is don't treat
kids miners like adults when it comes to permanently life
altering medical treatments, just like historically we've said, hey, for
most crimes, we're not going to treat miners as adults
because they don't have the mental cognition to know the
choices that they're making.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So basic stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I just think it's interesting the Democrat party is the oh,
we're we're as American as apple pie, and like your
thirteen year old should be able to be transed and
any and and parents shouldn't have to know and that
those are those are, those are. That's a problem, all right,
that's normal. People see this for what it is. And
that's why Michelle Obama referred to it in that way.
She said, demonizing our children for being who they are
and loving who they love. Like I guess she's she's
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then talking about like when you're an adult and your
kids become adults and like gay or trans the loving
who they love thing. I'm not really clear on what
like what she's trying to say they're really because she's
talking about kids. On the on the one hand, I
don't I don't even know what points she was really
making there, But on the demonizing our children for being
who they are. I think that's very clear. And then
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there's one other thing that stuck out to me. I'm
not gonna play. I'm not gonna make our people, our
listeners sit through the pain of just all the media
commentators like.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Barack Obama's speech was the greatest speech in the history
of speeches.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
We know, we know, it's every speech Barack Obama always
gives as the greatest.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He's, you know, the greatest genius of all time. He's
so amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I mean, you know, foreign policy was a shambles, and
his economic recovery was the worst since World War Two,
and there's a whole lot of things we could talk about,
you know, and he's a socialist. But other than that,
everything is a genius, genius move. But he said this,
which I think some people would recognize as he made
a joke about Trump. This is twenty nine. And I'll
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describe a little more what this joke was in a second.
But he's making a joke about Trump. Oh sorry, plate
cut six. Rather, this is cut six.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
There's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird
obsession with crowd sizes.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean, he makes a hand gesture here, we all
we all sort of see what he's doing, and he's
taking a shot at Now I get it, right Trump.
You know, Trump has made he's taken people in the past,
and he doesn't. So I'm not saying, oh, look, but
we're always told that, you know, Obama is this almost
this sort of superhuman political figure who goes beyond partisanship.
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And he's making really the most sort of petty and
lame joke imaginable at the DNC on stage, and you know,
I look, I just I don't know the whole Obama,
the whole Obama phenomenon among Democrats. It's just this, it's
this demagoguery and hero worship that bears no reality and
no reality checks whatsoever. That's accurate, And I think again,
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when you dive into some of the specifics, what they're
actually arguing for is incredibly radical. I'm glad you pulled
that Michelle Obama clip and played it. I mean, make
no mistake. They think that your fourteen year old should
be able to decide that she wants her breast removed.
They think that you're sixteen year old should be able
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to ensure that he doesn't hit puberty. And isn't able
to develop into a full blown man or woman, whatever
their gender is. And just because Tim Wallace looks like
a guy who enjoys the waffle fries at Chick fil
A a little too much and wears a camo hat
and you know, coach some football, doesn't mean.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That he has politics that align with anyone who's a
normal American.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
He has the politics that align with people who believe
all this left wing lunacy. So he's a he is
a wolf in sheep's clothing in a sense. I mean,
he is meant to be a fraud and a fake out,
and I just find that I find it so condescending.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Clay, That's it. It is why I'm holding out on
the walls things.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Either.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
I think it only works for media that cover this
because they don't really have any idea what people in
the middle part of the country are like either.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, It's like it's like when John Carry all
of a sudden goes duck hunting, and he's like, oh, like,
I love it when the butlers bring me my shotgun
because my super rich wife has so much money that
I could do absolutely anything.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But I'm just like, like you I rolled up my sleeves.
See the sleeves.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Are rolled up, John saying this forever Buck. Because of sports.
People show up like you did when you came to
an SEC game, and they're like, Wow, there's lots of
people who come to watch college football games. This is
probably a big market.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
They're like, yeah, this is the life that I lead.
It doesn't seem extraordinary or amazing to me because this
is where I live. When people come from the coast
and they decide that they're going to try to appeal
to that, it typically strikes the discordant stone. There's nobody
discordant tone. There's nobody in Alabama who's like, man, I
was really unsure about Tim Walls, and then I saw
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him wearing a Camo hat, and now I know he's
like me, that's the hard.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
The whole pitch.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got a quick
turn around here. So you know, one of we were
talking about walls a second ago. One of the issues
that we are that he is dealing with rather and
that has become a big point of contention, is his
military record, rather the way he speaks about and embellishes
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some aspects of his military record. Military service is honorable
and we all respect, appreciate and honor that. But lying
about things is lying about things, and that's not good.
So we will talk to somebody who could shed specific
light on this one, and we have a very important
guest for you on that issue, and more so we'll
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be getting into that here momentarily.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But you know, oh boy, this is tough.
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Welcome back in Suku and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We are joined by a special guest here, retired Minnesota
National Guard command start Major Thomas Barons is with us
and and Uh. I want to appreciate first of all,
Stir of your service and thank you for making the
time for us. Tell us you were the individual who
had to fill the the command space left by the
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departure as I understand it, of Tim Walls after his
decades in the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Just please set the table for everybody, tell them your story, all.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Right, well, setting the table for everybody. Basically, Tim Walls
was in the one of the one two five command
sergeant major position. He was acting in that in that capacity,
you know, trying to get his his United States Army
Sergeant major's academy accomplished and other other requirements to hold
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the rank, and he was in that position. In the
spring of h five. He filed to UH filed with
the Election Commission on the tenth of February, I believe
to run for Congress. We got. There was a warning
order published on March seventeenth that was spread across the
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state to the first Brigade Combat Team, which the one
of the one two five Field Artillery was part of,
and basically told everybody to start preparing. We're going to
be deployed to Iraq, you know, sometime in the in
the next two years or whatever it said. I don't
know the exact wording, but that was put out to
everybody to you know, get get everything in order, let
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your employer know, let your family know, you know, work
on your will, do it, you know, do whatever you
need to start doing, because you know, this is the
hard order is going to come down later, so you're
you know, this is the preparation order. And then he
published a statement from his campaign on twentieth of March.
I believe that said. You know, he was in a
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still campaign. He was gonna he was going to go,
you know, whether reason Minnesota or Iraq. He was going
to keep on trucking being a soldier and campaign for office.
He told the brigade command sergeant major he was going
to be going to Iraq, and you know, everybody assumed
that's what he was going to do, because that's what
a normal patriotic American would have done at that point.
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And then two months later in May, then he walked
out the door and said sayonara, and then left and
left the battalion, five hundred soldiers hanging without one of
their top top leaders.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Oh, we appreciate you coming on with us, and we
appreciate your service. As Buck said, this is Clay, and
I really appreciate you giving us the time you served.
Many of our listeners served for people out there who
did not serve. Was this cowardice? How would you classify
what Walls did when he didn't deploy with his troops
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to Iraq?
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Well, you know, the military's got seven seven or the
army does seven leadership, you know traits and you know
a lot of them is selfless service. And you know,
on the best day, this is selfish, self fish service,
basically just looking out for himself, not giving a damn
about five hundred soldiers and the thousand sets of parents
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that are that are expecting this senior NCO that's been
in for twenty some years that he's gonna be, you know,
taking care of them, trying to get him home alive.
And on the other the worst case of it is
that absolute colored us. Maybe he had no confidence in
his leadership ability. I really don't know. He's never stood
up and told anybody exactly why the hell he went
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he got out. I mean, he did tell some senior
leadership that I need to get out to run for Congress,
which is bs because a lot of people do both
and they and they serve their country in both capacities
and then they come back and they been they're in Congress,
and then they might get deployed again. But I you know,
I've looked up different things, and you know, one of
them I called him right out at first was that
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he's a trader, you know, because basically, you know, in
the nation called he hung up the phone and said,
to hell with you. And then another one I've seen
out there is that he's a deserter, because that's somebody
that they abandoned their post and they leave the military
and they have no intent they never look back, they
have no intention of ever getting back in it again.
And that's literally what he did. I mean, he just
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his post was I'm supposed to be in this guard
tower here and I and I say that hell with it,
and I walk off into the sunset, so I have
better things to do.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
We're speaking, We're speaking a retired Minnesota National Guard command
Sergeant Major Thomas Barns, who answered the call and took
his men to war after Tim Wallas decided he had
other better.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Things to do with his time. And that's what we're
discussing right now.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And Sergeant Major Barons, can you just tell me this
The allegations or criticisms that are out there about out
walls embellishing his record, things like saying he served as
part of the you know, the war in Afghanistan when
he was in Italy and now saying he's support of
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do you find those criticisms also valid?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Does it bother you?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Does it bother other members of the service when somebody
is inflating or embellishing their record.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
That's absolutely gut wrench hearing it. I mean, it's been
there's been so many veterans that have came out and
can't stand this rhetoric that he's been spewing for years.
You know, it literally cuts to the core of you know, honor, duty,
and respect that many military people have. Very very very
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few people ever try to lie what they did and
make it look better than what they did. You know,
between you know, those Afghanistan comments and and saying that
he's a retired command sergeant major when he when he wasn't.
You know, he's not. He's he didn't finish the course,
he didn't finish his requirements, and he still I mean,
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he even had a challenge coin made from Congress, from
the House of Representatives with the command surgeon major rank
on it, and all those people that served in Congress
they had to listen to him blow hard about how
he was the highest ranking guy in there, and it
comes out now that he wasn't, and it's you know
that that's just absolutely sad. When somebody lies that much,
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what the hell are they going to do at the
national level, That that's absolutely. It's just disgusting that, you know,
he should have just went and called under a rock,
but instead he's out there, you know, pounding his chest
and saying saying he is something he's not. He's a
military impersonator, is what he is. If you if you
look up the definition of that, you know there's two versions,
one civilian and one's military. And you know the military guy,
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he'll he'll have rank on that he doesn't doesn't earn.
He'll put medals on that he didn't earn. That's where
the stolen valor thing comes into play, because he literally
did all that for personal gain, for monetary value of
being a you know, in Congress or a governor. You know,
all that all is. You know, I would guest charges
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are probably going to be brought against him at some point.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
When you tried to get this story out as he
ran for governor, it was largely ignored, I think, although
I want you to kind of walk me through it.
What has the reaction been now that he is attempting
to become a heartbeat away from the presidency. Has the
media covered this story fairly in your mind? Have they
reached out to you very much? What can you tell us.
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This audience I think has heard your story, and if
they haven't, we're certainly glad to have you on.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
That's why we brought you on as a guest.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
How was this factual analysis that you've provide covered in
the governor's campaign and how is it being covered now
from your perspective as a retired member of the service.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Well back in eighteen when I first brought this out,
send it to every newspaper that I could find on
the internet in the state, and I and every radio
station and every TV station trying to get the word
out there before the elections that people could actually judge
whether this was somebody they wanted to be our governor
or not. Because to me, as a military person retiree,
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I hold this dear to my heart that somebody that
lies about something like this should not be in public
office and should not be able to make decisions because
they already made a really bad decision. And I actually
had the my lyrical paper published the article the Truth
about Tim Walls, and then then the Western Western Tribute
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I think it's called. I had to pay for that
as a paid political ad, and then everybody else was like, well,
we you know, we can't publish it as a letter
to the editor to start tributing in Minneapolis. They basically said, well,
these are pretty serious allegations, and I said yeah, but
I said, they're pretty damn close to all true, and
there might be a little something of a date or
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something that might be wrong. But I said, here's the
people to talk to, here's the here's the people above him.
Vet the story. If it's true, publish it. If it's not,
sue me for slander because I'm slandering. If this is
not true, I'm slandering a sitting congressman. And they vetted it.
They got back to me a couple of days later,
said this is all this, This is just exactly as
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you said. This is true. We're going to run an
article on it. And then a few hours later or
a day later, they came back. The guy reporter got
back to me and said this our editor next to story.
They said it's too close to the election and it
might influence the election. And all I thought to myself is,
what the hell is this North Korea. I mean, you've
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got the state you know, a media that it's not
state run, but it's acting like it's state run, and
I when this story broke, you know, when he got picked,
you know, by somebody that never should have picked. I mean,
I don't know how what the hell of vetting process
was to select this guy, but it's just absolutely incompetency
to pick him as the vice president. And he gets
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in there, you know, then basically the prairie fire started
and it's just exploded with with different news organizations contacting
me and to and other members to get the story out.
And I told the one lady, I said, well, I
haven't gotten I haven't gotten called by CNN yet. And
about a day later I did, and I was like, well,
this is this is pretty crazy. I mean, and they've
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been they've been pretty good on some of it. You know,
they'll they'll pick and choose kind of what they want
to publish. They don't publish my whole story because they
know that it's not what they want narrative they want
to get out there. But it's been very good and
it's you know, continuing to this day and it's going on,
you know, way in the next week, different media outlets
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that we need to get the word out and get
get the truth out there and get him sent back.
And I don't think they want him in the brask
I don't know the hell we're gonna send him, But are.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
You gonna watch him speak tonight?
Speaker 8 (30:04):
I uh, I don't know if I can stand it
or not, but I might.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
That's kind of the general response I think of most
of our audience, by the way, that's perfect, sir. We
appreciate the time, we appreciate your service, Thank you for
reaching out talking to us. If there's more you want
to share with us between now and the election, we'd
love to have you back.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
On Well, that sounds great. The only thing I'd like
to add is that if if your audience wants to
know what he's done to Minnesota, you know, get the
book They're Lying by Liz Colin, or or watch the
documentary The Fall of Minneapolis, and that'll If that's what
you want this country to, what you want it to
have happened to this country, just vote for him because
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he'll burn her down and and bail out the ones
that burned it.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Sir.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Thank you, We appreciate the time, Thank you for sharing
your story, and thank you for the service filling in
when Tim Walls wasn't willing to do what his obligation
and responsibilities would have suggested he would serve for his
men overseas in Iraq.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Thank you you are ALcom and thank you for being
one of the people we're fighting for.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Well.
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Speaker 7 (33:03):
We're rolling through the wind Sty edition of the program.
I believe is Mark still there? He wanted to weigh in.
He's in Minnesota, the hometown of Tim Walls, the congressional base,
and they're planning a rally there at the high school
where he was an assistant coach. I want Mark, you
to tell us about what's going on there.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay, So first of all, I just like you said,
I love the Hill guys. You guys are like a
killer of a sanity and a communist dictator's world.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
That's the awesome. Unfortunately, what they're.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Doing is through the school system, and I have a
good source inside that school system. I've seen the invitation.
Up through yesterday, they were denying that they were going
to have a political rally on the football field where
my son went to school and was taught by Tim Walls,
which I'm embarrassed to say they are having it now. Today.
An invitation came on and it says it's a political
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rally today and.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
So they're going to do a big rally on the outdoor.
I'm assuming football field at the high school, and this
is I don't know that this has been publicized yet,
but you're telling us it's happening.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
It's happening tonight, and they must be having a big screen.
I haven't seen all the exact details, but if we
tried to do that for Trump, we would get thrown out.
Just to give people around the country who are independent
or Democrat wonder to whoever they should vote for. This
guy was on a complete lockdown under COVID. The things
he's done to this state. He squandered, he and the
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legislature since they had all three branches of the legislature,
they squandered a seventeen billion dollar theurplus. And when those
programs come due, we will have to raise taxes because
we have no place to go and there is no
money to pay for all the programs they put in place.
Over the last two years, we had a two hundred
and fifty million dollars feeding our future during COVID. They
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still don't know where they are where the money's at.
It's it's so ridiculous. For those that don't live in Minnesota,
you don't want to be under this rule at the
federal government level. You will not like it. I can
assure you that.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Well.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I appreciate you telling us this. I also think this
is important. We were talking and we'll talk a little
bit about this when we come back. Your district where
you are right now is relatively rural. You can describe
it if you want to. That congressional district, which supposedly
is showing how much appeal Tim Walls has in rural areas,
would he win if he ran this fall to be
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the congressman from that district, Mark.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
There's no chance, yes, absolute zero tense. When you get
to rural Minnesota and I have probably any rural area
in this entire country. The Dems are not like, they're
not liked at all, and Tim Walls that he'd probably
lose by twenty twenty five percent in that congressional district today.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Thank you for the call, Buck, I think this is important.
Let's come back and talk about this a little bit more.
But they try to in addition to as you pointed out,
oh he's got the camo hat. Oh look, he's just
like everybody else who lives in the middle part of
the country. The people who know him best, that is
the congressional district that he represented, if he were running
for reelection in that district right now in twenty twenty four,
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he'd gets smoked.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
They wouldn't vote for him. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
As he became more powerful, he became more left wing,
just like so many Democrats, I might add, when he
was trying to get there, he was all, Oh, I'm
just one of the folks, you know, I'm Carhart tim
with the camo hat. And then when he all of
a sudden is rubbing elbows with the Pelosis and the
Shumers of the world, it's my pronouns are and I
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want to apologize for being on indigenous land.
All right, second hour Clay and Buck gets going right now,
looking forward to diving into it all with you and
want to take some of your calls.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Sorry, last hour we got a little fired up and
we didn't get the calls we will at the end
of this hour.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Eight hundred two, eight two to eight, eight to two.
Clay and I both watched the Obama speeches last night,
looking at how things are going at this DNC. I
would say pretty much what we expected in every respect.
I think that if they can get through the DNC
without more numbers showing Kamala weakness, that should be considered
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a win for them. I think the Kamala speech is
a problem. The more people that watch it, the worse
it is for Democrats. She just does not come across well.
And the comparison to the Obama's will and to other speakers,
I might add, will not be favorable for Kamala Harris.
I think that's just obvious. I don't even think Democrats
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could try to agree with that, or maybe they would,
because they'll say anything. But there were a few moments
last night as well, you know, with the Obamas, there
was a lot of you know, how do.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I put this?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It was just a lot of the most broad kind
of bromides about America or the broadest problem It was,
you know, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know, we know that we can overcome any obstacle,
and we you know this is and I understand this
political rhetoric everyone says this kind of stuff where a
lot of people say this kind of stuff. Fine, but
there were also some moments that I think brought into
real contrast where the Democrat Party is today and where
the Republican Party is and specifically what Trump, uh and
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MAGA currently represents versus what Kamala Harris would continue with
Joe Biden's presidency. I mean, I think that the narrative,
the through line here is quite clear. You have two
Obama presidencies and then a Biden presidency, and now they
want to Harris presidency, which is in essence, on a
policy level, clay the fourth term of Obama is it's
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not Obama's fourth term, but I think it would be
a clear continuation and people could say, well, yeah, of
course they're Democrats.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Know.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Obama took the Democrat Party in a different direction from
certainly what John Carey and Bill Clinton and others before
him had done or wanted to do and a moment
that I thought really showed.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, we talked yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
They've got a giant inflatable iud, They've got women dressed
as abortion pills. They trot out this guy, Tim Walls.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Do you guys know that sometimes he wears camo?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Oh man, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Clay just isn't a side. It's so Look, I grew
up in Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I happen to have a dad who likes guns and hunting,
and so I was exposed to that. But most people
in Manhattan, they only wear camo, you know, as a
fashion statement.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You're from Tennessee, people wear it. But just that the
analysis of the coastal.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Media folks is, oh Man, just by wearing camo, the
Harris Walls ticket has reclaimed their their rural roots are
just like what you got like it's so condescending, it
really is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh they wore.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
A camo hats. I'm gonna vote for him now. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Well, in particular because I don't even blink when I
see people in camo. It's not even where I live
in Tennessee. It's not even something that remotely registers to
me as some sort of cultural signpost. When I see
someone walking around in camo. It just so the idea
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that there would be people who would see that and
think to themselves, Oh, I wasn't sure how I was
going to vote beforehand, but now I feel so seen
by the guy from San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh, I can trust them.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
They're not a bunch of like gender obsessed weirdos who
want a wide open border.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
They wear camo hats.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Tim Walls is to me the perfect exemplar or what
I'm trying to get at here is the more we
see of what the Democrats want, just put aside the
flowery rhetoric. Right, Tim Walls, Clay is supposed to be there,
you know, kind.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Of burly dad next door who wears Carhart and a
camo hat. This guy has the ideology of a Wesleyan
gender studies professor.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And that's what so, you know, that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It is so one just gross that Democrats try to
throw people off like.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You can trust Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Tim Walls actually would have the He sounds like somebody
that would have been teaching at a public school in
Manhattan in terms of his beliefs, meaning very left wing.
The the cultural accoutrement, the fact that you know, Tim
Walls may eat at Chick fil A and go, you know,
deer hunting once every four years or something, doesn't mean
that he shares beliefs. This is for me as a Manhattanite.
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Why is it that I can go and sit down
with people who live in you know, the most rural
art of Nebraska or Oklahoma anywhere, and we see the
world the same way and we agree on everything mostly right.
I mean I can sit there and talk them and
there's just this back and forth. It's because we're ideologically aligned.
What they're trying to do with this Democrat party right now,
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the fool people is present these politicians, as you can
trust them, they're look at Tim Wallas and Kamala Harris
even as a moderate. All of this is meant to
be a fake out. And the one moment that I
thought was if you dig into it a little bit.
Michelle Obama last night talked about those who oppose trans
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kids stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is cut too. Listen to what she says about this.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
Play demonizing our children for being who they are and
loving who they love.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Look, that doesn't make anybody's life better.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean, hold on a second, who is demonizing children. Okay,
and she used the word children, So let's let's dig
in this. Who's demonizing children in the context of the
trans agenda.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's not the children.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's actually the psychotic adults who want to use children
as like a fashion accessory to fit in with their
friends and tell everybody that, I mean, that is overwhelmingly
the case.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
There are other pressures, there are broader forces people. Can
you know this happened at They're all Women's college down
the street from me when I was in college, Clay
pressuring women to you know, adopt the different. But in general,
no one's demonizing children. They're demonizing adults who're filling children's
heads with craziness. But Michelle Obama trans kids. We're not
talking about adults here, trans kids, twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds,
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and she wants us to think that that's normal, that's
all American, that's the America of today.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
That's also where I think a lot of parents jump
off the train.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And you want to talk about.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
People who are reasonable, middle part of the country individuals.
I've got a sixteen, a thirteen, and a nine year old.
The nine year old doesn't get to pick what he
eats for every meal. Nobody out there who has young
kids lets them pick what they eat for every meal,
because they would eat candy, they would eat cake, they
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would eat the most unhealthy things imaginable if you let
a young child pick what they eat. This is an easy, easy,
I think, very understandable parent, grandparent move. The idea that
you would let a nine year old or a ten
year old or a twelve year old or a fourteen
year old pick their gender for life and give them
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drugs and or allow them to have surgery to reflect
that particular worldview is crazy and that is democratic orthodoxy.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Now the it is, and that's important. And Michelle Obama's
talking last night about you know the greatness of America
and if we all work together, and you know, Barack Obama,
same thing. You know, if we just all come together
and say no to bad things and say yes to
good things, then the future is you know, unicorns and
ponies and great things, all this stuff. They don't want
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parental notification for gender transition. Democrats oppose that we need
to understand this. So not only is it your fourteen
year old can get puberty blockers, not only is it
that you should i mean, we're not even getting into
the men and women's sports thing, which is just wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, it's just wrong. But they don't want parents. See,
this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's not just about it's not about parents. These kids
are being fed into a system that is trying to
separate the parental right of trying to do what is
best for the child all the time. And say, you're
not even gonna know you know what I'm saying that
they want cultural influences to be pushing kids to this
stuff and parents to be cut out.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
This is wrong, This is wrong.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Buck think about this.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
The tattoo argument, I think is a good one because
you can't get a tattoo anywhere under eighteen, and in fact,
if you're a parent and you're involved in that, sometimes
you can get charged with a crime. Obviously, tattoos nowhere
near as significant. But also think about what we do
with most crimes that are committed by kids who are
under the age of eighteen. We say, hey, by and large,
I know there are exceptions certain violent crimes where you
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get tried as an adult, but by and large, if
you're under eighteen and you commit a crime, we erase
that from your record. When you turn to an adult. Right,
Why do we do that? Because we don't believe that
young kids have the mental capacity to be held accountable
for the crimes they might commit. That is a hundreds
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of years policy that has existed in the United States.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Why would we let somebody change their gender.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
All of the logic that you and me, and our
grandparents and our great grandparents built up over decades and
de generations of life experience are suddenly being erased when
you say, hey, we've got to affirm that fourteen year
old's belief that he or she is in a different body.
And this is also important. If you are nineteen years old,
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I think it's a poor decision. Or twenty years old
and you decide that you want to be a man
physically as opposed to a woman, you have the right
to do that. I haven't heard anybody say that you
shouldn't be able to do that. I think it's a
poor choice. I think it's unlikely to make you happier.
But we allow adults to make decisions based on their
own pursuit of happiness that sometimes others of us might
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not approve of. All we're saying here is don't treat
kids miners like adults when it comes to permanently life
altering medical treatments, just like historically we've said, hey, for
most crimes, we're not going to treat miners as adults
because they don't have the mental cognition to know the
choices that they're making.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So basic stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I just think it's interesting the Democrat party is the oh,
we're we're as American as apple pie, and like your
thirteen year old should be able to be transed and
any and and parents shouldn't have to know and that
those are those are, those are. That's a problem, all right,
that's normal. People see this for what it is. And
that's why Michelle Obama referred to it in that way.
She said, demonizing our children for being who they are
and loving who they love. Like I guess she's she's
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then talking about like when you're an adult and your
kids become adults and like gay or trans the loving
who they love thing. I'm not really clear on what
like what she's trying to say they're really because she's
talking about kids. On the on the one hand, I
don't I don't even know what points she was really
making there, But on the demonizing our children for being
who they are. I think that's very clear. And then
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there's one other thing that stuck out to me. I'm
not gonna play. I'm not gonna make our people, our
listeners sit through the pain of just all the media
commentators like.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Barack Obama's speech was the greatest speech in the history
of speeches.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
We know, we know, it's every speech Barack Obama always
gives as the greatest.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He's, you know, the greatest genius of all time. He's
so amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I mean, you know, foreign policy was a shambles, and
his economic recovery was the worst since World War Two,
and there's a whole lot of things we could talk about,
you know, and he's a socialist. But other than that,
everything is a genius, genius move. But he said this,
which I think some people would recognize as he made
a joke about Trump. This is twenty nine. And I'll
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describe a little more what this joke was in a second.
But he's making a joke about Trump. Oh sorry, plate
cut six. Rather, this is cut six.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
There's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird
obsession with crowd sizes.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean, he makes a hand gesture here, we all
we all sort of see what he's doing, and he's
taking a shot at Now I get it, right Trump.
You know, Trump has made he's taken people in the past,
and he doesn't. So I'm not saying, oh, look, but
we're always told that, you know, Obama is this almost
this sort of superhuman political figure who goes beyond partisanship.
(13:11):
And he's making really the most sort of petty and
lame joke imaginable at the DNC on stage, and you know,
I look, I just I don't know the whole Obama,
the whole Obama phenomenon among Democrats. It's just this, it's
this demagoguery and hero worship that bears no reality and
no reality checks whatsoever. That's accurate, And I think again,
(13:35):
when you dive into some of the specifics, what they're
actually arguing for is incredibly radical. I'm glad you pulled
that Michelle Obama clip and played it. I mean, make
no mistake. They think that your fourteen year old should
be able to decide that she wants her breast removed.
They think that you're sixteen year old should be able
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to ensure that he doesn't hit puberty. And isn't able
to develop into a full blown man or woman, whatever
their gender is. And just because Tim Wallace looks like
a guy who enjoys the waffle fries at Chick fil
A a little too much and wears a camo hat
and you know, coach some football, doesn't mean.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That he has politics that align with anyone who's a
normal American.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
He has the politics that align with people who believe
all this left wing lunacy. So he's a he is
a wolf in sheep's clothing in a sense. I mean,
he is meant to be a fraud and a fake out,
and I just find that I find it so condescending.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Clay, That's it. It is why I'm holding out on
the walls things.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Either.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
I think it only works for media that cover this
because they don't really have any idea what people in
the middle part of the country are like either.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, It's like it's like when John Carry all
of a sudden goes duck hunting, and he's like, oh, like,
I love it when the butlers bring me my shotgun
because my super rich wife has so much money that
I could do absolutely anything.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But I'm just like, like you I rolled up my sleeves.
See the sleeves.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Are rolled up, John saying this forever Buck. Because of sports.
People show up like you did when you came to
an SEC game, and they're like, Wow, there's lots of
people who come to watch college football games. This is
probably a big market.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
They're like, yeah, this is the life that I lead.
It doesn't seem extraordinary or amazing to me because this
is where I live. When people come from the coast
and they decide that they're going to try to appeal
to that, it typically strikes the discordant stone. There's nobody
discordant tone. There's nobody in Alabama who's like, man, I
was really unsure about Tim Walls, and then I saw
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him wearing a Camo hat, and now I know he's
like me, that's the hard.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
The whole pitch.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That is exactly what they're trying to do, which is democrats. Look,
there's so much going on now week to week, and
we cover a lot of it here on the show.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But you know, Clay likes to write. I like to write.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got a quick
turn around here. So you know, one of we were
talking about walls a second ago. One of the issues
that we are that he is dealing with rather and
that has become a big point of contention, is his
military record, rather the way he speaks about and embellishes
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some aspects of his military record. Military service is honorable
and we all respect, appreciate and honor that. But lying
about things is lying about things, and that's not good.
So we will talk to somebody who could shed specific
light on this one, and we have a very important
guest for you on that issue, and more so we'll
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be getting into that here momentarily.
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Welcome back in Suku and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We are joined by a special guest here, retired Minnesota
National Guard command start Major Thomas Barons is with us
and and Uh. I want to appreciate first of all,
Stir of your service and thank you for making the
time for us. Tell us you were the individual who
had to fill the the command space left by the
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departure as I understand it, of Tim Walls after his
decades in the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Just please set the table for everybody, tell them your story, all.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Right, well, setting the table for everybody. Basically, Tim Walls
was in the one of the one two five command
sergeant major position. He was acting in that in that capacity,
you know, trying to get his his United States Army
Sergeant major's academy accomplished and other other requirements to hold
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the rank, and he was in that position. In the
spring of h five. He filed to UH filed with
the Election Commission on the tenth of February, I believe
to run for Congress. We got. There was a warning
order published on March seventeenth that was spread across the
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state to the first Brigade Combat Team, which the one
of the one two five Field Artillery was part of,
and basically told everybody to start preparing. We're going to
be deployed to Iraq, you know, sometime in the in
the next two years or whatever it said. I don't
know the exact wording, but that was put out to
everybody to you know, get get everything in order, let
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your employer know, let your family know, you know, work
on your will, do it, you know, do whatever you
need to start doing, because you know, this is the
hard order is going to come down later, so you're
you know, this is the preparation order. And then he
published a statement from his campaign on twentieth of March.
I believe that said. You know, he was in a
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still campaign. He was gonna he was going to go,
you know, whether reason Minnesota or Iraq. He was going
to keep on trucking being a soldier and campaign for office.
He told the brigade command sergeant major he was going
to be going to Iraq, and you know, everybody assumed
that's what he was going to do, because that's what
a normal patriotic American would have done at that point.
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And then two months later in May, then he walked
out the door and said sayonara, and then left and
left the battalion, five hundred soldiers hanging without one of
their top top leaders.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
Oh, we appreciate you coming on with us, and we
appreciate your service. As Buck said, this is Clay, and
I really appreciate you giving us the time you served.
Many of our listeners served for people out there who
did not serve. Was this cowardice? How would you classify
what Walls did when he didn't deploy with his troops
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to Iraq?
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Well, you know, the military's got seven seven or the
army does seven leadership, you know traits and you know
a lot of them is selfless service. And you know,
on the best day, this is selfish, self fish service,
basically just looking out for himself, not giving a damn
about five hundred soldiers and the thousand sets of parents
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that are that are expecting this senior NCO that's been
in for twenty some years that he's gonna be, you know,
taking care of them, trying to get him home alive.
And on the other the worst case of it is
that absolute colored us. Maybe he had no confidence in
his leadership ability. I really don't know. He's never stood
up and told anybody exactly why the hell he went
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he got out. I mean, he did tell some senior
leadership that I need to get out to run for Congress,
which is bs because a lot of people do both
and they and they serve their country in both capacities
and then they come back and they been they're in Congress,
and then they might get deployed again. But I you know,
I've looked up different things, and you know, one of
them I called him right out at first was that
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he's a trader, you know, because basically, you know, in
the nation called he hung up the phone and said,
to hell with you. And then another one I've seen
out there is that he's a deserter, because that's somebody
that they abandoned their post and they leave the military
and they have no intent they never look back, they
have no intention of ever getting back in it again.
And that's literally what he did. I mean, he just
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his post was I'm supposed to be in this guard
tower here and I and I say that hell with it,
and I walk off into the sunset, so I have
better things to do.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
We're speaking, We're speaking a retired Minnesota National Guard command
Sergeant Major Thomas Barns, who answered the call and took
his men to war after Tim Wallas decided he had
other better.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Things to do with his time. And that's what we're
discussing right now.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
And Sergeant Major Barons, can you just tell me this
The allegations or criticisms that are out there about out
walls embellishing his record, things like saying he served as
part of the you know, the war in Afghanistan when
he was in Italy and now saying he's support of
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do you find those criticisms also valid?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Does it bother you?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Does it bother other members of the service when somebody
is inflating or embellishing their record.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
That's absolutely gut wrench hearing it. I mean, it's been
there's been so many veterans that have came out and
can't stand this rhetoric that he's been spewing for years.
You know, it literally cuts to the core of you know, honor, duty,
and respect that many military people have. Very very very
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few people ever try to lie what they did and
make it look better than what they did. You know,
between you know, those Afghanistan comments and and saying that
he's a retired command sergeant major when he when he wasn't.
You know, he's not. He's he didn't finish the course,
he didn't finish his requirements, and he still I mean,
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he even had a challenge coin made from Congress, from
the House of Representatives with the command surgeon major rank
on it, and all those people that served in Congress
they had to listen to him blow hard about how
he was the highest ranking guy in there, and it
comes out now that he wasn't, and it's you know
that that's just absolutely sad. When somebody lies that much,
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what the hell are they going to do at the
national level, That that's absolutely. It's just disgusting that, you know,
he should have just went and called under a rock,
but instead he's out there, you know, pounding his chest
and saying saying he is something he's not. He's a
military impersonator, is what he is. If you if you
look up the definition of that, you know there's two versions,
one civilian and one's military. And you know the military guy,
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he'll he'll have rank on that he doesn't doesn't earn.
He'll put medals on that he didn't earn. That's where
the stolen valor thing comes into play, because he literally
did all that for personal gain, for monetary value of
being a you know, in Congress or a governor. You know,
all that all is. You know, I would guest charges
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are probably going to be brought against him at some point.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
When you tried to get this story out as he
ran for governor, it was largely ignored, I think, although
I want you to kind of walk me through it.
What has the reaction been now that he is attempting
to become a heartbeat away from the presidency. Has the
media covered this story fairly in your mind? Have they
reached out to you very much? What can you tell us.
(26:38):
This audience I think has heard your story, and if
they haven't, we're certainly glad to have you on.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
That's why we brought you on as a guest.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
How was this factual analysis that you've provide covered in
the governor's campaign and how is it being covered now
from your perspective as a retired member of the service.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Well back in eighteen when I first brought this out,
send it to every newspaper that I could find on
the internet in the state, and I and every radio
station and every TV station trying to get the word
out there before the elections that people could actually judge
whether this was somebody they wanted to be our governor
or not. Because to me, as a military person retiree,
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I hold this dear to my heart that somebody that
lies about something like this should not be in public
office and should not be able to make decisions because
they already made a really bad decision. And I actually
had the my lyrical paper published the article the Truth
about Tim Walls, and then then the Western Western Tribute
(27:40):
I think it's called. I had to pay for that
as a paid political ad, and then everybody else was like, well,
we you know, we can't publish it as a letter
to the editor to start tributing in Minneapolis. They basically said, well,
these are pretty serious allegations, and I said yeah, but
I said, they're pretty damn close to all true, and
there might be a little something of a date or
(28:02):
something that might be wrong. But I said, here's the
people to talk to, here's the here's the people above him.
Vet the story. If it's true, publish it. If it's not,
sue me for slander because I'm slandering. If this is
not true, I'm slandering a sitting congressman. And they vetted it.
They got back to me a couple of days later,
said this is all this, This is just exactly as
(28:24):
you said. This is true. We're going to run an
article on it. And then a few hours later or
a day later, they came back. The guy reporter got
back to me and said this our editor next to story.
They said it's too close to the election and it
might influence the election. And all I thought to myself is,
what the hell is this North Korea. I mean, you've
(28:45):
got the state you know, a media that it's not
state run, but it's acting like it's state run, and
I when this story broke, you know, when he got picked,
you know, by somebody that never should have picked. I mean,
I don't know how what the hell of vetting process
was to select this guy, but it's just absolutely incompetency
to pick him as the vice president. And he gets
(29:08):
in there, you know, then basically the prairie fire started
and it's just exploded with with different news organizations contacting
me and to and other members to get the story out.
And I told the one lady, I said, well, I
haven't gotten I haven't gotten called by CNN yet. And
about a day later I did, and I was like, well,
this is this is pretty crazy. I mean, and they've
(29:31):
been they've been pretty good on some of it. You know,
they'll they'll pick and choose kind of what they want
to publish. They don't publish my whole story because they
know that it's not what they want narrative they want
to get out there. But it's been very good and
it's you know, continuing to this day and it's going on,
you know, way in the next week, different media outlets
(29:52):
that we need to get the word out and get
get the truth out there and get him sent back.
And I don't think they want him in the brask
I don't know the hell we're gonna send him, But are.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
You gonna watch him speak tonight?
Speaker 8 (30:04):
I uh, I don't know if I can stand it
or not, but I might.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
That's kind of the general response I think of most
of our audience, by the way, that's perfect, sir. We
appreciate the time, we appreciate your service, Thank you for
reaching out talking to us. If there's more you want
to share with us between now and the election, we'd
love to have you back.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
On Well, that sounds great. The only thing I'd like
to add is that if if your audience wants to
know what he's done to Minnesota, you know, get the
book They're Lying by Liz Colin, or or watch the
documentary The Fall of Minneapolis, and that'll If that's what
you want this country to, what you want it to
have happened to this country, just vote for him because
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he'll burn her down and and bail out the ones
that burned it.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Sir.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Thank you, We appreciate the time, Thank you for sharing
your story, and thank you for the service filling in
when Tim Walls wasn't willing to do what his obligation
and responsibilities would have suggested he would serve for his
men overseas in Iraq.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Thank you you are ALcom and thank you for being
one of the people we're fighting for.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Well.
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Speaker 7 (33:03):
We're rolling through the wind Sty edition of the program.
I believe is Mark still there? He wanted to weigh in.
He's in Minnesota, the hometown of Tim Walls, the congressional base,
and they're planning a rally there at the high school
where he was an assistant coach. I want Mark, you
to tell us about what's going on there.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay, So first of all, I just like you said,
I love the Hill guys. You guys are like a
killer of a sanity and a communist dictator's world.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
That's the awesome. Unfortunately, what they're.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Doing is through the school system, and I have a
good source inside that school system. I've seen the invitation.
Up through yesterday, they were denying that they were going
to have a political rally on the football field where
my son went to school and was taught by Tim Walls,
which I'm embarrassed to say they are having it now. Today.
An invitation came on and it says it's a political
(34:00):
rally today and.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
So they're going to do a big rally on the outdoor.
I'm assuming football field at the high school, and this
is I don't know that this has been publicized yet,
but you're telling us it's happening.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
It's happening tonight, and they must be having a big screen.
I haven't seen all the exact details, but if we
tried to do that for Trump, we would get thrown out.
Just to give people around the country who are independent
or Democrat wonder to whoever they should vote for. This
guy was on a complete lockdown under COVID. The things
he's done to this state. He squandered, he and the
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legislature since they had all three branches of the legislature,
they squandered a seventeen billion dollar theurplus. And when those
programs come due, we will have to raise taxes because
we have no place to go and there is no
money to pay for all the programs they put in place.
Over the last two years, we had a two hundred
and fifty million dollars feeding our future during COVID. They
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still don't know where they are where the money's at.
It's it's so ridiculous. For those that don't live in Minnesota,
you don't want to be under this rule at the
federal government level. You will not like it. I can
assure you that.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Well.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I appreciate you telling us this. I also think this
is important. We were talking and we'll talk a little
bit about this when we come back. Your district where
you are right now is relatively rural. You can describe
it if you want to. That congressional district, which supposedly
is showing how much appeal Tim Walls has in rural areas,
would he win if he ran this fall to be
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the congressman from that district, Mark.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
There's no chance, yes, absolute zero tense. When you get
to rural Minnesota and I have probably any rural area
in this entire country. The Dems are not like, they're
not liked at all, and Tim Walls that he'd probably
lose by twenty twenty five percent in that congressional district today.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Thank you for the call, Buck, I think this is important.
Let's come back and talk about this a little bit more.
But they try to in addition to as you pointed out,
oh he's got the camo hat. Oh look, he's just
like everybody else who lives in the middle part of
the country. The people who know him best, that is
the congressional district that he represented, if he were running
for reelection in that district right now in twenty twenty four,
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he'd gets smoked.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
They wouldn't vote for him. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
As he became more powerful, he became more left wing,
just like so many Democrats, I might add, when he
was trying to get there, he was all, Oh, I'm
just one of the folks, you know, I'm Carhart tim
with the camo hat. And then when he all of
a sudden is rubbing elbows with the Pelosis and the
Shumers of the world, it's my pronouns are and I
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want to apologize for being on indigenous land.
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