September 5, 2024 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Clay Travis n. Buck Sexton Show.
It is showtime on this Thursday, September fifth. We are
excited to be with you. I got some breaking news
right off the top here just happening, just rocketing across
the news spear, the Internet, the television screens of America.
(00:23):
Hunter Biden, whose tax evasion case was supposed to start today,
is pleading guilty. This reported by Fox Fox News. I believe,
among others, Hunter Biden to change his plea to guilty
in the tax case. There's there's some things we'll dive
(00:46):
into about this. Just the first thing that comes to
mind is, hey, remember when Joe Biden said he wasn't
gonna commute his or pardon his son, and Clay and
I said, that's laughable. Just remember that. I know that
you know that we were right because you knew that,
But just remember that moment in time. Like this guy's
so obviously lying. He didn't have to lie. And I
(01:07):
actually don't blame him for the future pardon of his
son that is coming. He could have just said I'm
not going to talk about an ongoing legal issue. That's it.
That's the smart man's move on that because obviously he's
not gonna let his son Hunter Biden. He'd go to
like a club fed for six months or something. I
mean maybe a year. It wouldn't I'm talking just the
tax charge.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know there's the money laundering, there's all these other
things they could have, but for a tax thing that
maybe send him away for a year, he serves six
months or something. Who knows. So that's the big breaking
news off the top and Clay, We've also got Trump
speaking in New York City about his economic policy. Some
more details there, Kamala Harris is economic policy. There's a
(01:50):
bunch of things moving around to the political sphere right now. Oh,
Trump to adopt Elon Musk's proposal for a government efficiency commission.
I love this. This would be putting Elon in charge
of getting rid of the dead wood, handing Elon a
chainsaw and putting him in the dense overgrowth of our
(02:13):
federal government and saying, go to work, buddy. We'll talk
more about that too. I think I do, though, need
to start Clay with because I see these things as
very much linked. At this point in time. You have
the sudden re emergence of the Russia, Russia. Russian narrative
mentioned this yesterday and then there was this linked indictment
(02:35):
that's come out. They led with it on Mourning Joe,
so you know that this is setting the news cycle
for the rest of the Democrat talk shows and everything else.
They led with it on Mourning Joe. And we can
get into a little bit of the Russia thing and
how crazy it is and all that in a second.
But my first note is they have had to abandon
(02:55):
Kamala's way out ahead because she's not. They have had
to walk away from This is all about defensive democracy
because they've installed the candidate who didn't get a single
vote instead of actually having a primary after colluding the
Democrat Party colluding together to hide the dementia of the
sitting president from the American people. That is what happened.
(03:19):
So they still say it, but you know, the defensive
democracy thing for them is sounding a little weak. I
think that the Kamala campaign implosion is imminent and they
know it, and they are already doing two things. They're
setting themselves up for what happens the day after the election,
(03:40):
what their next steps will be. I've said it here before.
I think you and I have agreed on this, or
we both put this forward, Clay, they will pull some
refuse to certify stunt. If Trump wins, that's I think
almost a certainty. Now they will just say he cannot
be president. That's a big part of this. And I
also think that they're trying to emotionally prepare the Democrat
base or Trump is worse than Hitler, but in fact
(04:05):
he's going to be president again. So deal with it, everybody.
You know, there's a little bit of preparation of the
battleground here to soften the blow a little bit. I
think are you as bullish on the implications of the
pivot to Russia at this moment in time? Do you
see it differently? You just want to weigh in on
(04:25):
Hunter Biden is gonna go Hunter Biden's taken a deal.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, first of all, I'm in Los Angeles where Hunter
Biden was due to stand trial, and I do think
this Buck hunter Biden's story ties in with everything that
has happened relating to the Facebook collusion and the attempt
to rig the twenty twenty election over whether or not
that laptop was real. Remember where we were roughly a
(04:54):
year ago. They were going to let him off with
no punishment at all. I do think a lot of
people have forgotten about what a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Deal they had negotiated. Last summer.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
He walked into a Delaware courtroom and there was nothing
that was going to happen to him. And only because
of those IRS agents who came forward and testified, only
because the house was won back by Republicans, was there
any light at all shined on his direct corruption. And
(05:27):
so the decision by Judge mary Ellen Noryeika to say, no,
I'm not signing off on this sweetheart deal. I don't
think he's going to go to prison. But he has
now pled guilty, been convicted in Delaware, and now pled
guilty in La Buck to charges that would see him
(05:47):
potentially worthy or able to be sentenced to years in prison,
and they were going to let him off with no
punishment at all. And this is a sign I think
also of how shook they that the conviction happened in Delaware,
because they've done a lot of posturing about how he
was going to beat all these charges, and then on
the day of the trial itself, he comes in and
(06:10):
just says, you know what, I'm actually guilty. I'm not
even going to offer any defense at all.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And it's also fascinating. I think for everybody I know
right now, there are a few people who there's been
a leak about an indictment that has to do with
Russian money being funneled to the conservative media. We're never
going to shy away from talking about anything here just
because it goes to our team. This is what is known.
I'm not going to name the people. You can look
(06:36):
online if you care to, but I can tell you
I consider some of them to be or at least
one of them to be a personal friend. I'm not
sure how many names have actually come out, so I
can't give you a specific on the numbers. But there
was money that went through a media basically passed through
to them, and we're being told and again morning Joe
(06:58):
Lead's story, biggest story in the country right now, was
that there was some money that was given to people
to make some videos they didn't know, according to the
DOJ's own indictment, that the money was being essentially used
as a pass through from another source. So somebody comes
to you and your work in the media business and
they say, hey, I'd like to pay you to you know,
make some videos in the following topics and try to
(07:19):
build up our channel or our reach. Are you interested?
Just to be clear, everybody in the media business takes
that meeting at least or is willing to say, Hey,
I'll hear you out on this. And so it's not
fair to impugne people based upon the possibility that they
knew when so far as far as we know, they
didn't know at all. And one of them is confirmed
to me personally, again not going to use any names.
(07:41):
One of them's confirmed me personally absolutely no idea that
there was money going through any kind of a pass through.
So that's that's what that's where that stands. But I
bring it up in the context of Hunter Biden because
what's the big problem with this thing of money going
to an entity and some of the money coming from
Russia and they're hiding that source. It's a Foreign Agent
Registration Act violation. That's really what they're that's the possibility
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for Americans. They've indicted the Russians, but that's a joke
because the Russians are in Russia. You're never you know,
this is like going to the FBI saying, hey, I
sent some money to a guy in like Belarus, Can
you get it back for me? Unfortunately, the answer is no.
Good luck. The indictments of the Russians is meaningless. This
is all political theater. They may try to advance this.
I don't know if they will or not. They may
try to advance this against some US persons or against
(08:27):
a US entity, and that would be under Pharah right,
that's the point. It would be under some kind of
clay out. I'm going into this detail because Hunter Biden
one hundred one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
The son of the sitting president of the United States,
violated Pharah. Everybody knows it. This is all a matter
of public record, and they just decided not to bring
the charges.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Against the guy. And now we know he's a convicted
As of today, he's not yet convicted, he's pleaded, but
he's about to be a convicted felon. What's a bigger
deal a few influencers that get some and they don't
know where it comes from, or the son of the
president getting paid off by the Chinese government and Ukrainian oligarchs.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I also buck the reason why the Russia Russia Russia
hoax that they played in twenty sixteen, and it didn't
really happen in twenty twenty on the same level because
it had blown up in their face with the Muller Report.
But let's just be honest and just look at this
from a real politic perspective. If you're of Vladimir Putin,
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don't you want Kamala Harris to win. I think one
of the challenges they have at its most basic level
is if you have any intelligence whatsoever, you have a
really difficult time explaining why, if Trump is in such
a great relationship with Vladimir Putin, why Putin did nothing
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when Trump was in office for four years, and why
as soon as Biden came into office he immediately evaded Ukraine.
Putin was, actually, I think the answer is afraid of
Trump because he didn't know what Trump might do, and
as a result, he doesn't want Trump back in office.
He wants Kamala back in office. And I went and
(10:13):
read about some of this Russian disinfo that is out there.
I'm not sure what the intent of the messages and
the content that was produced actually was, because some of
it seems anti Trumps in its motivations, as opposed to
like trying to get Trump elected because he's gonna be
(10:36):
Vladimir Putin's puppet. I just think that argument is very
difficult to make at this point in time. Now, does
it make sense to you, like I don't, Why would
Putin want Trump in office? He's actually with a weaker Kamala,
far more likely to be able to take action against
American interest with Kamala in office, I think, than he
would be with Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think the biggest bang for the buck, so to speak,
from all of the honestly pathetic and completely inconsequential Russian
meddling or nibbling around the edges of our election, I
think the biggest consequence of it, by far is the
self inflicted Red Scare, if you will. Although the Red
(11:17):
Scare was actually based on reality and the Venona Project,
and we could have that talk another time. There were
a lot of communists, by the way, they were all
basically in bed with the Democrats and the Democrat Party
and the unions. But this is effectively what the Red
Scare they said it was. It's actually happening now in
a different context, whereby they can malign and undermine people
by saying that there's some kind of Donald Trump, the
(11:39):
most notably and most and we had the whole Muther investigation.
We had all of this, but this is all a distraction, right,
the problem with it. You know, on the one hand,
you have to address this, and this is why gaslighting
is effective. We're sitting here, we're addressing this. I want
to talk and we will. By the way, We've got
great guests too on the show other things. We're talking
about a whole range of topics today, but you know,
(12:00):
we want to talk about the economy and where this
election is going. But the Democrat media, I really think
they're trying to at this point by Kamala time uh.
And I really mean that, because they're gonna run the
clock out situation. With every passing day that people become
more familiar with Kamala Harris, her numbers go down and
Democrats get more worried. So if they can get everybody
(12:22):
all freaked out and talking about Russia, Russia, Russia again again,
I can't even believe we're here, you know what I mean.
It's yeah, it's a it's like, you know, calling for
an extra long time out, calling for a bathroom time
out in the middle of the match. I think they're
panicked a little bit because the numbers are continuing to
break against them. And this poll just came down while
(12:43):
we're talking. Uh, Tim Sheehey, who we had on yesterday
running against John Tester for all the Montana's out there
a public poll that is middle of the road.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Uh Now has she he opening up a six point
lead head to head an eight point lead in a
multi ballot battle? Why does that matter? If she he
wins in Montana? Republicans are going to take back control
of the Senate.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And you saw.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Buck Kamala came out and dialed back the Biden capital
gains tax proposals. It would still be the highest capital
gains rate if it passed since nineteen seventy nine. I
think is the data. But I think she's running scared.
I think she's paniced. The fact that she was in
North Carolina, I think is a sign that her polls
(13:33):
are bad. The gambling markets. Trump has started to open
up a big lead again September tenth. On Tuesday of
next week, if Trump shows up and gives a solid
B plus B performance, I think you're going to start
to hear, Oh, we're in trouble. And one little detail tomorrow,
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North Carolina sends out ballots. We have election season, buck,
all of the these numbers start to get baked in
starting tomorrow, basically in some of the battleground states, which
is wild to think about. We want you to vote early,
but we don't just have election day. So whatever the
snapshot is in September and October is going to be
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reflected in the final totals. And I think things are
breaking perfectly for Trump at the right time.
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Welcome back in to Clay and Buck live from Israel
with us right now overseas. We've got our friend Jeff Tigues.
Jeff spent twenty five years in the Special Operations community.
He was a Delta Squadron commander. He has tremendous experience
(16:16):
in military and national security affairs. He just today met
with Prime Minister Benjamin at Yahoo and also with the
Defense Minister of Israel Jeff. First of all, just tell us,
tell us about the mission set over there and what
you've learned so far.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, Bob, thanks a lot for having me. It's great
to connect with you again. You know, just a few
weeks ago, this organization that I hadn't heard of before,
the European Leadership Network, reached out to me. They were
looking for a couple of Americans to join them on
this military expert panel that consists of mostly Brits but
a couple of Aussies, an officer from Romania and France.
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And I had no idea we were we would be
given this level of access. So we've really gone from
the tactical briefings. We surveyed the sites of the October
seventh attack in Israel. We went to a couple of
the kid we'd seen, and we went to where the
Nova festival. We got some really detailed briefings on how
this attack was actually pulled off. We saw some video
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that has not been seen before. So from the tactical level,
we've had some incredible access and we have also been
briefed by some of the commanders on the ground, the
commander that just was replaced, who has really the one
who really became the groundbreaking pioneer on how to integrate
the fight within Gaza above ground and below ground. And
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then yesterday we were actually able to have a militia
escort from the IDF to survey what is actually happening
in Gaza the fight.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So you were in Gaza yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Probably we were in Gaza yesterday, yeah, And we followed
the Philadelphia quarrider from the Rafa entrance all the way
down to Swedish Village to the sea. We were able
to survey some of the tome that they have found.
We were able to survey some of the old fighting
positions and even some of the some of the homes
that continue to stand and really get a good glimpse
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of what the Israeli Defense Forces are dealing with. And
then we cap that off today from a lot of
this tactical evaluation to really hearing straight from the sources,
both with the Minister Defense and Prime Minister net Nyahu
on where they see going forward and what their strategies
are to defeat Hamas once and for all.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Jeff, I'm going to be over there in December, and
I think I'm going to see much of what you
are seeing now when you see what Hamas is still
doing in terms of holding hostages and certainly executing hostages,
six of them, including an American. Is it even more
unbelievable to you that there is any suggestion that Israel
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should cease fire or stop what they're doing to try
to get their people back and also protect them from
another October seventh ever happening again.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's it's mind boggling that anyone thinks that that is
a realistic option. You know, part part of the defenses,
and you know, when you look at the success that
Hamas had on October seventh, part of that was the
expectation that they just wouldn't do something so barbaric, you know,
that the world would turn their back on something this medieval,
and the world supported Israel in a very very short time.
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And then the information operations campaign that Hamas and has
Balond the other proxies and through Iran was able to
twist this story. So the barbarism was even at a
higher level than I was aware of. It's so complicated
on how they're continuing to fight. So really the primary
focus has been to defeat Hamas as an army we
call about we talk about Hamas as a terror organization,
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but it was actually a terror army and it is
almost decimated. There is a there is about a thousand
Hamas left that they can that they think exist. Probably
half of them have already escaped Gaza, so they're really
down to just tiny pockets of resistance and they're continuing
to search for these hostages. But it's always been a
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race for time. But it really is an untenable even
discussion to give up the Philadelphia qurridor because the hundreds
and hundreds of tunnels, the size, the scale and the
scope of them. There's no question how Hamas aren't There's
no question where they got their munitions. It was all
coming in through Egypt, and that is the single line
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of defense that Israel has to control.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Speaking of Jeff Tigue's former Special Operations Community, and he's
part of this delegation of military experts, this panel that
has been meeting with the highest levels of the Israeli government,
and he was just in Gaza yesterday telling us about
the Philadelphi corridor and what he saw there in terms
of the tunnel networks. Jeff, how much? And I know
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you know you spoke to Yahoo, you spoke to the minister.
So to the degree you can let us in on
some of the high level there, please do. I know
you probably have to respect some confidentiality equities as well,
but to whatever degree you can tell us about their
vision of where this is going next, or even just
what you see as the final stages of this war
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against Hamas that was kicked off with their mass casualty
terror attack on October seventh.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yes, and I think ironically, Buck, you know, one of
the only criticism we had to share with Israel is
that they're losing the IO campaign. Yes, there were mistakes
that were made as far as the early warning and
how far Hamasu it was able to advance with their
terror attack, but they've got to be more open with
the public and the press, and so hopefully you'll be
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getting some calls yourself for them to talk to you
about this in person. But they recognize that this is
the first year of probably a ten year war and
they're trying to limit the front. So right now now
they're being threatened out of God's Or. They're being threatened
by the booties. In the south, they're being threatened by
headsbal on the north, they're surrounded by Syria. They're continuing
to be rocketed by Iran. You know, Lebanon is you know,
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trying to play both sides. So they've got a multifront
war and they're trying to take it piece by piece.
They don't want to have a multifront war, so they're
trying to prioritize what it is they're doing. But obviously,
like you know, to defeat Hamas and recover the hostages
is sometimes at loggerheads, and that's what they're trying to
deal with. So they're in this for the long haul.
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They're really trying to find answers on what happens with
the day after, but there are very very few good solutions.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Jeff, is it fair to say that Hamas is desperately
rooting for Kamala Harris to win this race?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know, I hate to say this, but I'm going
to have to admit the answer is yes. You know,
I'm not a politician, I'm a soldier. I'm aware of politics,
and as a civilian, I'm involved in it. But you know,
having been over here and really talked to folks and
watched the degradation from some of these other administrations and
how we've really cooled relations with Israel, we've begun to
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be real critical of Israel. You know. One of these
pivotal reasons that Hamas attacked when it did was because
they saw Israel as weak, They saw the West as weak.
They saw our ties and tenuous. And this wasn't just
initially designed to be a terror attack that was stopped.
These Hamas fighters had plans and maps and logistical support
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to be in Israel over a month and to get
all the way to Tel Aviv, and they thought if
they could get an encroachment into Israel and just wreak
enough havoc. They were expecting has Alot to attack from
the north. They were expecting Iran to jump in. They
were expecting Juday and Sumaria, which we call the West Bank,
to be internal fires. So while there was some incredible
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military terror successes by Jimas's was this did not become
a regional conflict. We have got to continue to demonstrate
our stallwart support for Israel and they're really feeling the strain,
and they've been feeling the strain on a bunch of
these latest administrations.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
What's your tactical sense, Jeff, of the ability to bring
home any of the remaining hostages?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You know, I'll answer you know. One of the reasons
I'm here, Buck, is because throughout my career I spent
a lot of time in Israel exchanging ideas and techniques
and tactics and even information and intelligence, and we tried
to learn from each other on what we were doing
and how we were successful in different arenas. And I
couldn't be more impressed and proud with this with this
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very young defense force, on how they are working combined
arms maneuver, how how they are integrating what they're doing
above ground and below ground, and the learning curve that
that they've that created over the last few months. But
I I think people believe there are one hundred one
hostages still missing. We believe that there's probably less than
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half of them still alive, and every day that goes by,
it becomes more and more risky. So the IDF day
and night are continuing to clear these tunnels. And one
thing I'll add that I thought found interesting. You know
what these tunnels I learned yesterday. These tunnels weren't made
for fighting. They were made for survival and logistics and movement.
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So once you understand how to occupy those tunnels, the
movement goes fast. Now Hamas is learning as well. So
as as these tunnels were first beating the IDF, the
IDF figured out how to solve that problem. But now
there's this pivot where the remaining hamas are starting to
make these tunnels booby trapped and rigged to blow with cameras.
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So it's slowed down the movement again, and it's very,
very risky inside these tunnels as they've been created over
the last twenty years, includes cages and cells for these
hostages and even secret hiding places to put them. So
every day that goes by, it becomes less and less
likely that we'll be able to save more of these sausages.
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But it is firmly in my opinion that the IDF
is doing everything they can at a very high professional
level to do the best that they can.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Jeff, do we have any idea what percentage of the
tunnel network has been uncovered discovered in any way by
the IDF yet or do they even have a sense
for how much there is underground at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's absolutely staggering. So some of the numbers that I
have in front of me that I wrote down was
over eighteen hundred underground shafts have been destroyed, so you know,
they destroy some of the shafts and then they'll enter
through some of these shafts and begin to clear these tunnels.
The one division that we were attached to yesterday, over
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the last few months, they've cleared over two thousand kilometers
of tunnels under Gaza and they're drilling endlessly to try
to identify more of these tunnels. And the morning that
we went into Ratha yesterday, they had bumped into a
new tunnel last night and they were just clearing it today.
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So the tunnel network is vast. I think they're believing
that they have about eighty percent of the tunnels mapped,
not necessarily that they've been inspected, but that they have
about eighty percent mapped, and they're just trying to take
it systematically. And I don't think it comes as any surprise,
but when you see it with your own eyesbuck, every
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single tunnel that we went to look at, terminated in kindergarten,
a mosque, in a hospital. It was absolutely their standard
operating procedure. And the other thing that was kind of
weird that you don't think about is these tunnels also
terminated right in the homes of these Hamas leaders. So
just like you and I would get up in the
morning and have our mourning coffee and maybe maybe you know,
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walk over to the home office, these guys were walking
straight from their homes down into these tunnels and going
straight to work. The network is amazing and it just
can't happen again. We gave them in two thousand and
five free autonomy to do whatever it is they wanted
to do. In Gaza, they decided to purge it of
Fatah and any any you know, reasonable group of from
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the Palestinian authority. And for twenty years they have been
systematically with one thing in mind, and that was the
October seventh barbarism.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And Jeff, this is what I have to ask you
real quick. I'm just well, look on a minute, I
mean you you went muzzle to muzzle sure with al Qaeda.
With that, you know, with the bad guys of the
war on Terror. Is the evil that you have seen
from Hamas by being there and seeing the tunnels and
seeing the videos reminiscent of what you saw with AQI
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and these other groups.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
This this is the purest evil I've ever seen. I mean,
these these these Amas terrorists went in and it was
just wholesale murder. They slaughtered families, men, women, children, the
old and the videos that we watch Buck they're gleeful,
they're singing, they're dancing, they're calling home telling their mom
and dad what they had just done with killing these
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dogs or killing these pigs. So that the combination of
the glee and the just the free for all fun
that these terrorists were having, and the barbers of the blood,
the beheading, the rapes, when you actually see it, the
live videos that they had on their body cams, it's
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Jeff, honestly can't thank you enough for your service to
our country for decades and also today for bringing this
ground truth to all of us about this war that
Israel is waging against the Hamas terrorists. Thank you for
being with us. It's always good to talk to you,
my friend. Sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And they do a lot of it with the Sunday
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Speaker 3 (30:13):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the Thursday edition of the program. We are joined now
by Senator Marshall Blackburn, who is going to absolutely crush
her Democrat opponent in what sixty one days from now,
and so I look forward to that happening in my
home state of Tennessee. But Senator you guys, let's start
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here because the polling is looking really good for Republicans
taking back control of the Senate. What are you seeing
in the larger landscape out there, and how confident are
you that the Republican Party is going to take back
control of the Senate come November.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
We have to make certain that we run hard, that
we want card and that we do not take anything
for granted. And if we do that and we get
our message out and we talk about the Biden Harris
record of failure when it comes to the economy, our border,
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and crime in this country, then we will win. But
it is taking nothing for granted, and in my race, Clay,
I don't take anything for granted. We are working hard
every day and your audience can follow us at Marsha
Blackburn dot com and also keep up with some of
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these other ratess that are taking place around the country.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Center Blackburn's Buck, great to have you as always. We
know that Trump is going up against Kamala next week
on Tuesday in the debate. I know that you know
you and the President have a very good relationship. Are
if you're able to give him some advice? I want
to ask if you are or not, because I know
maybe you're having some private conversations with them, But how
would you advise, as I may say, as a prominent
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woman in politics, president Trump to approach debating the Democrat
and obviously female nominee Kamala Harris.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
What we have to do is make certain end that
debate that President Trump keeps the focus on the issues
and just as in our messaging when we talk about
the House and Senate, racist Buck, what we have to
do is keep it on this record that they have
and if they were to get another four years, what
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they would do and Kamala Harris would leave the border open,
she would raise taxes, she would let the Trump tax
cuts expire, and these crazy economic ideas, this crazy economic
policy that she has, the ambiguous nature with which she
has approached foreign affairs in our relationship with Israel. All
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of this is a hit scratcher to people because it
is such a departure from policies that we've had in
the way that we have worked in the past. So
President Trump gave a speech today to the Economic Club
of New York, which was bought on, and he handled
a wide range of issues in those remarks. And I
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fully believe that if he keeps the focus on those
issues that the American people care about and that they
are focused on, that he is going to do just fine,
and he will be the forty seventh president of the US.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Senator it seems to be.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And I'm guessing this is what you're seeing on the
road an economy, a border, and a crime election. Is
that what you're hearing mostly from Tennesseeans as you go
about the state and prepare for this election.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
I'm hearing it from Tennesians and also as I'm out
and about helping others like Bernie Marino in Ohio and
others of our candidates. I'm hearing it in the other states,
and people are tired of being broke. People are inceensed
that this administration wants to allow illegal aliens to vote
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in our elections. And I had a woman this morning
say to me, are we honestly going to let people
walk across the border and then say, here's your path
to citizenship. And by the way, here here's a ballot.
You can go vote, and remember to vote for Joe Biden.
And that's how blatant they are with this. And as
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people look more closely at this, they want to make
certain that their vote is going to count. They want
to make certain that they know who is going to
end up really being in charge of this country. And
they know Joe Biden has not been the one in charge.
And they listen to Kamala Harris and they say, I'm
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not so sure she would be the decision maker.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
EID, we're speaking to Senator Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee. Senator Blackburn,
we know there was a horrific, you know, shooting which
we haven't really talked about much on the show yesterday
in Georgia school shooting. Democrats going to politicize it right
away with calls for gun control that aren't going to
go anywhere. But this is what they do in election season.
(35:30):
No time for the families to grieve. I'm wondering if
you could speak to this bill that is you're saying
is a bipartisan bill, the After School Act, who curb
juvenile violent crime? What's going on with this?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Yes, this is bipartisan, as she said, and it is
something Senator Cortez Masto and I have worked on. What
we have learned is that violent juvenile crime generally occurs
between the hours of two and six. So this would
be grants for nonprofits to do programs aimed at youth
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in those after school hours. And it is a way
to keep these kids involved in activities. It is a
way to keep them from being recruited by gangs. It
is a good positive step. And you have cities like Memphis,
Tennessee here and we've got the city Council and the
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County Commission that have endorsed this legislation. It is more
tools to address these problems where they exist, which is
in these communities. And I also have a bilt, the
Safe School Act that I've been pushing since twenty eighteen
and this would be a nine hundred million dollar grant
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program for schools public and private, to access to the
schools and put it into security. Whether it is officers
or a security assistant, or ballistic film cameras, but the
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components that are necessary for keeping our children safe during
the school day.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Senator, I don't know if this is public yet, but
I'll go ahead and say it. Sometimes that's dangerous. You
and I are going to be doing an event together
in Jackson, Tennessee, next month, which I'm excited about. I
think on October tenth. We need to get you on
before we do that event. But I'm going to be
out and about campaigning for you. I've also said I'm
going to vote the earliest possible day that I can.
(37:43):
Usually I am an election day voter. I like the
experience of going in, and my wife works at the
local voting place and she is an election volunteer and
all those things. But you know, and I know that
things can come up on a election day. You got
a sick kid, sick grandkid, you got obligations, Maybe you
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don't feel well. Are you encouraging people as you go
around the state, Hey, get out and get your vote.
Banked and if that occurs, how does that help you
and others out there in terms of driving up turnout
to win elections.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Yes, October sixteenth says when the early vote starts in Tennessee,
and our Marsha Blackburn dot com website has all of
that information, and we are encouraging people to vote day
one and to take friends and neighbors with them if
they are working. Makes just having the safest, most secure
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elections in the country here in Tennessee. So we want
to be certain that people take the time to go
vote and get people there on that first day of
early voting.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'm going to be there on October sixteenth in my
home state of Tennessee, voting for Senator Marsha Blackburn. Senator
on your way out that website one more time if
people want to help you and ensure that Republicans are
going to have the majority in the Senate this fall.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
Yes, it is Marsha Blackburn dot com.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Marsha Blackburn dot com. I'll see you soon, Senator. Keep
up a good work.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Hey, yeah bye bye.
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Speaker 1 (41:21):
Our friend Julie Kelly back in the mix. She is
the author of the Declassified Substack, which you should go
check out, go subscribe to it. Doing a lot of
work on the law fair, the K six defendants, and more.
She's in DC and minudstand Julie, is you just left
the courthouse? What were you there for? And what is
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the latest of the ongoing lawfair against Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
Hey, guys, so I was there this morning. This is
the first hearing in more than ten months in special
Council Jacksmiths January sixth related indictment of Donald Trump. Of course,
proceedings been on hold as Judge Tanya Chudkins's immunity opinion,
which denied the president immunity from presidential from excuse me,
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criminal prosecution moved through the appellate court and then, of
course the Supreme Court, which came back on July first
with its landmark opinion and Trump versus the US outlining
basically three separate buckets of immunity. So now that the
court the Supreme Court handed that down, jack Smith had
to address it. In his old indictment. He cut nine
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pages from it because the Supreme Court said all of
Donald Trump's communications with his Department of Justice were of
course well within his core powers constitutional powers. So Jacksmith
had cut nine pages. He dropped a co conspirator, Jeffrey Clark,
who was with the boj at the time. Jacksmith filing
a superseding indictment last week and basically restarting the proceedings,
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and that was the basis of this hearing today. What
the next step will be.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
In this case, Julie, this is all chaotic. I think
it's hard for people to follow. I mentioned earlier. I
want to hit this one and we'll come back to DC.
But I'm sure you saw Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade
together again showing up at Fanny Willis's daughter, I believe,
was arrested for a traffic violation, and Nathan Wade, who
(43:25):
supposedly isn't involved with Fanny Willis anymore, she testified under
oath that their relationship was done. Now maybe they rekindled
that romance, if you want to be kind to her,
and so she didn't lie under oath.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
But I thought it was really into the soap opera
here way. Well, I mean, look, I mean, and.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
It feels so good.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Come on, all you had to do was not sleep
with the person that you hired to try to put
Trump in prison, and that case may well have been
able to go to trial. I mean, it's really the
incompetence is kind of amazing. But I thought it was
emblematic of sort of the incompat that has existed, whether
it's Jack Smith getting the case tossed in South Florida
(44:05):
having to do a superseding indictment, and now Alvin Bragg
Fanny Willis. We also have, in addition to what's going
on with Judge Chuckkins's courtroom, and I'm gonna ask you
about her sort of mindset. What do you think is
going to happen with Judge Merchand because now he's got
to make a decision and it's a pretty big one
what to do with Trump? I saw there was a
(44:27):
hagiography profile of just.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Remind everybody real quickly that we're talking about New York
City now where the just soever? Because we're moving around
to cases and judges here the idiot sentenced.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's so messy when you look at all this, Julie,
what do you think they're going to do in New
York City?
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Look, I think we talked about this maybe last week
and I've tweeted this, and that is these judges and
prosecutors don't care. They don't care if higher courts come in,
and I saw that today with Judge Chuckkins. They don't
care if they're humil at the appellate level or the
Supreme Court. These prosecutors don't care if they're humiliated in
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the press or even by their colleagues. Their only goal,
and this is prosecutors and judges Georgia, New York, Washington,
Thank god for judging Nan Cannon and Florida. She's the exception.
If this helps to destroy Donald Trump, to help disable
or hurt him at all the election.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
They don't care.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
About the long term consequences. And this is what we
could talk about Judge Kanya Tucktin today. They are all
on the same page. They have no respect for the
rule of law or due process, for common decency. So,
of course jan Marshawn is going to come back on
September sixteenth. He is going to issue an order without
any hearing, without any inputs from the Department of Justice.
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He is going to come back and say that the
Supreme Court's community ruling has no odds involvement, has no
part of the New York case, even though the New
York case deals with when Donald Trump was in the
White House communications he had with White House employees and officials.
He's going to come back and single handedly say no,
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none of this is covered under the Supreme Court immunity ruling.
And two days later it won't even be enough time
for Donald Trump's lawyers to file an emergency appeal. Any
immunity decision is automatically appealed, and it puts the proceedings
on today. They'll barely have time to file that appeal
before two days later, on September eighteenth, Marshawan is supposed
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to sentence Donald Trump for his convictions. He doesn't care
if he gets overturned later. He really, these judges do
not care. That is the frightening aspect of all of this.
And so you cannot expect good behavior from Fanny Willis,
or good behavior from Jan Marshon, or even just do
your jobs the ways that we expect you to. There's
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no consequences for them. And even long at they're overturned
by the courts, as I said, they don't care because
their short term goals will have been achieved.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Prepare for Trump to be sentenced to prison. On September
eighteenth was the article that Anny McCarthy wrote up at
Fox News. What do you think about that? Really? I mean,
you're kind of leading up to it, but I feel
like we needed to say this out loud. Do you
really think that Judge Mrchan is willing to do that?
Speaker 7 (47:27):
I mean, I think we've discussed this before. You can't
put anything past him because he has acted so badly.
Of course, totally compromised with his daughter's involvement in democratic politics,
made at least thirteen million dollars while her father was
presiding over the Trump case, raking in at least thirteen
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million from Trump meeting Democrats, including Adam Schiff, and then
preaking a gap order on Donald Trumper. He can't even
make public statements about her. And then you had the
federal court a judge also deny last week Donald Trump's
moved to remove the case from a state court to
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federal court, where it belongs because this deals with federal conduct.
Now it deals with the Supreme Court rulers. We had
a ninety year old Clinton judge who probably didn't even
read the Supreme Court immunity ruling, probably didn't even read
the motion to move it from state to federal court.
Immediately deny that. I mean, Donald Trump simply cannot get
any release from any of these judges or prosecutors, except,
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of course judging U Cannon who dismissed the document's case
last month, or excuse me, in July based on the
unconstitutional appointment of Jack Smith. But in any other scenario here,
in any of these trials, and this extends to the
Jay sixers, and we could talk about this later. These
judges and prosecutors have no respect for the rule block
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or the Constitution for due process rights. They are all
just partisan actors. And this is they are setting very
dangerous precedents in the process.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
You mentioned in the January six ers. It seems that
despite the Supreme Court ruling about an excessive use of
a Sarbanes Oxley based charge to try to put people
behind bars for as long as possible, that most judges
are not really applying the Supreme Court precedent in a
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way that they should, in my breeding, in a beneficial
way for most jan six defendants. With that in mind,
I know Trump has talked about pardoning many of those
jan six defendants.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Do you think he will? Do you think he should?
And I don't mean everybody.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Some people legitimately attacked police officers, they engaged in actual
acts of violence, but Grandma's with selfie sticks who walked
into the Capitol and got charged with crimes. I mean,
you would know better than me, Julie, But I would
think ninety five percent of these people that there's no
doubt Trump should pardon them if he's elected.
Speaker 7 (49:58):
Absolutely, And I think the lowest fruit would be those
who are convicted of the misdemeanor offenses because those simply
have never been applied in a federal capacity to any
political protesters in Washington. Those people, all of them, and
this represents the overwhelming majority of cases, are just these
four federal misdemeanors. All of those defendants should be pardoned. Then,
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of course you go to those who were convicted or
created guilty to the fifteen twelve C two obstruction what
you were just recurring to again overturned by the Supreme
Court in June. All of those people should be of
course pardoned for that. I would take it a step
further civil disorder, other nonviolent offenses, those people should be
parted as well. Then you could separate out people who
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attacked police officers. Now is throwing a water bottle attacking
a police officer that should land someone in prison for
six years. So what I think the next step is
to look at that batchel of defendants, and then compare
that to similar cases in Washington in DC where you
have people who attack police officers all the time. We
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just saw this in the Prohamas demonstrations a few months ago,
attacking federal police. Those people have not even been arrested
or charged, let alone had the books from with them.
So then the president will have to look at, you know,
comparable cases and those sentences, and almost all of them
should be commuted because there's just no comparison between people
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who've attacked federal officers during a political protest, whether it's
twenty seventeen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, or certainly this
year or early late last year, that there has to
be equity and how the law is applied in Washington.
But that is not happening. And every time I come here,
you guys, I am more disgusted and truly heartbroken in
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a way at what I see happen in the CDC courthouse.
They basically judges are saying back to the Fisher fifteen
Twelvey two. They are saying to j sixers, the criminal
Code and the federal sentencing guidance never anticipated an event
like January sixth, so they can basically make up laws,
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they can misapply the law, they can ignore limits in
federal sentencing guidance to exact maximum punishment on J sixers,
even to the point of ignoring the Supreme Court, which
is what they're doing because they want to send a message,
like Marrick Garland has said, this will not be tolerated
if you try to protest again the election in Washington,
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the twenty twenty four results. This is what will happen
to you.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Truly, I have to ask you, you know, because there's
some back you know, back channel chatter going on among
a bunch of people I know on the right that
while we see all this Russia Russia stuff as just
the most obvious and conveniently timed political manipulation in advance
of the election, that maybe there's more stuff going on.
(52:57):
We know what happened to Trump, we know about the abusifies,
we know about the whole weaponization of the deep state.
It's still there, and now they've got a Democrat president.
Do you have any concerns given the return of you know,
Russia collusion three point zero or whatever we're calling it,
that we're just seeing the beginning of this.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Possibly because you know that they will use that, just
as they did in twenty twenty to suppress and you know, information,
to suppress free expression. I believe the indictment, and I
haven't had a chance because I've been here covering this
deals with if you make negative comments about immigration or inflation,
that somehow that is going to be Russian disinformation, just
(53:40):
like we saw about Hunter's laptop, just like we thought
about criticism of absence ye voting in twenty twenty. But
it's stunning to me the same DJ claiming the Russians
are trying to interfere in our election, having Jack Smith
and at least eight other federal prosecutors in a DC
courtroom this morning advancing an indictment, a weak, watered down
(54:04):
indictment that will ultimately be tossed, keeping that indictment in
play now sixty days away from election day, and having
a federal judge, Judge Tannys Chuckin an Obama appointees stay
out loud. The election has no consideration in my courtroom.
The electoral schedule will have no impact on my trial
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schedule or hearing schedule moving forward. It is not a
factor in my courtroom. That's what she said, So the
same doj warning about what now you know more Russia, Russia,
Russia collagrantly allowing their own department and Special Council, unconstitutional
special council, by the way, advancing this indictment, keeping Donald
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Trump's lawyers in courts, and also keeping this phony, bogus
indictment in the headline.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Julie Kelly, everybody declassified is your sub stack. You just
walked out of the courtroom down there in DC doing
the most on the front lines engagement with this lawfair stuff,
reporting on this lawfair stuff. If anybody, Julie, thank you
so much. Great to have you as always. Thank you, Julie.
Speaker 7 (55:09):
Sorry, I'm fired up, guys, but thank you for.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Having we like fired up, Julie, stay fired up. We'll
talk to you. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (55:15):
Thanks, guys, calling all.
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It is showtime on this Thursday, September fifth. We are
excited to be with you. I got some breaking news
right off the top here just happening, just rocketing across
the news spear, the Internet, the television screens of America.
(00:23):
Hunter Biden, whose tax evasion case was supposed to start today,
is pleading guilty. This reported by Fox Fox News. I believe,
among others, Hunter Biden to change his plea to guilty
in the tax case. There's there's some things we'll dive
(00:46):
into about this. Just the first thing that comes to
mind is, hey, remember when Joe Biden said he wasn't
gonna commute his or pardon his son, and Clay and
I said, that's laughable. Just remember that. I know that
you know that we were right because you knew that,
But just remember that moment in time. Like this guy's
so obviously lying. He didn't have to lie. And I
(01:07):
actually don't blame him for the future pardon of his
son that is coming. He could have just said I'm
not going to talk about an ongoing legal issue. That's it.
That's the smart man's move on that because obviously he's
not gonna let his son Hunter Biden. He'd go to
like a club fed for six months or something. I
mean maybe a year. It wouldn't I'm talking just the
tax charge.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know there's the money laundering, there's all these other
things they could have, but for a tax thing that
maybe send him away for a year, he serves six
months or something. Who knows. So that's the big breaking
news off the top and Clay, We've also got Trump
speaking in New York City about his economic policy. Some
more details there, Kamala Harris is economic policy. There's a
(01:50):
bunch of things moving around to the political sphere right now. Oh,
Trump to adopt Elon Musk's proposal for a government efficiency commission.
I love this. This would be putting Elon in charge
of getting rid of the dead wood, handing Elon a
chainsaw and putting him in the dense overgrowth of our
(02:13):
federal government and saying, go to work, buddy. We'll talk
more about that too. I think I do, though, need
to start Clay with because I see these things as
very much linked. At this point in time. You have
the sudden re emergence of the Russia, Russia. Russian narrative
mentioned this yesterday and then there was this linked indictment
(02:35):
that's come out. They led with it on Mourning Joe,
so you know that this is setting the news cycle
for the rest of the Democrat talk shows and everything else.
They led with it on Mourning Joe. And we can
get into a little bit of the Russia thing and
how crazy it is and all that in a second.
But my first note is they have had to abandon
(02:55):
Kamala's way out ahead because she's not. They have had
to walk away from This is all about defensive democracy
because they've installed the candidate who didn't get a single
vote instead of actually having a primary after colluding the
Democrat Party colluding together to hide the dementia of the
sitting president from the American people. That is what happened.
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So they still say it, but you know, the defensive
democracy thing for them is sounding a little weak. I
think that the Kamala campaign implosion is imminent and they
know it, and they are already doing two things. They're
setting themselves up for what happens the day after the election,
(03:40):
what their next steps will be. I've said it here before.
I think you and I have agreed on this, or
we both put this forward, Clay, they will pull some
refuse to certify stunt. If Trump wins, that's I think
almost a certainty. Now they will just say he cannot
be president. That's a big part of this. And I
also think that they're trying to emotionally prepare the Democrat
base or Trump is worse than Hitler, but in fact
(04:05):
he's going to be president again. So deal with it, everybody.
You know, there's a little bit of preparation of the
battleground here to soften the blow a little bit. I
think are you as bullish on the implications of the
pivot to Russia at this moment in time? Do you
see it differently? You just want to weigh in on
(04:25):
Hunter Biden is gonna go Hunter Biden's taken a deal.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, first of all, I'm in Los Angeles where Hunter
Biden was due to stand trial, and I do think
this Buck hunter Biden's story ties in with everything that
has happened relating to the Facebook collusion and the attempt
to rig the twenty twenty election over whether or not
that laptop was real. Remember where we were roughly a
(04:54):
year ago. They were going to let him off with
no punishment at all. I do think a lot of
people have forgotten about what a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Deal they had negotiated. Last summer.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
He walked into a Delaware courtroom and there was nothing
that was going to happen to him. And only because
of those IRS agents who came forward and testified, only
because the house was won back by Republicans, was there
any light at all shined on his direct corruption. And
(05:27):
so the decision by Judge mary Ellen Noryeika to say, no,
I'm not signing off on this sweetheart deal. I don't
think he's going to go to prison. But he has
now pled guilty, been convicted in Delaware, and now pled
guilty in La Buck to charges that would see him
(05:47):
potentially worthy or able to be sentenced to years in prison,
and they were going to let him off with no
punishment at all. And this is a sign I think
also of how shook they that the conviction happened in Delaware,
because they've done a lot of posturing about how he
was going to beat all these charges, and then on
the day of the trial itself, he comes in and
(06:10):
just says, you know what, I'm actually guilty. I'm not
even going to offer any defense at all.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And it's also fascinating. I think for everybody I know
right now, there are a few people who there's been
a leak about an indictment that has to do with
Russian money being funneled to the conservative media. We're never
going to shy away from talking about anything here just
because it goes to our team. This is what is known.
I'm not going to name the people. You can look
(06:36):
online if you care to, but I can tell you
I consider some of them to be or at least
one of them to be a personal friend. I'm not
sure how many names have actually come out, so I
can't give you a specific on the numbers. But there
was money that went through a media basically passed through
to them, and we're being told and again morning Joe
(06:58):
Lead's story, biggest story in the country right now, was
that there was some money that was given to people
to make some videos they didn't know, according to the
DOJ's own indictment, that the money was being essentially used
as a pass through from another source. So somebody comes
to you and your work in the media business and
they say, hey, I'd like to pay you to you know,
make some videos in the following topics and try to
(07:19):
build up our channel or our reach. Are you interested?
Just to be clear, everybody in the media business takes
that meeting at least or is willing to say, Hey,
I'll hear you out on this. And so it's not
fair to impugne people based upon the possibility that they
knew when so far as far as we know, they
didn't know at all. And one of them is confirmed
to me personally, again not going to use any names.
(07:41):
One of them's confirmed me personally absolutely no idea that
there was money going through any kind of a pass through.
So that's that's what that's where that stands. But I
bring it up in the context of Hunter Biden because
what's the big problem with this thing of money going
to an entity and some of the money coming from
Russia and they're hiding that source. It's a Foreign Agent
Registration Act violation. That's really what they're that's the possibility
(08:04):
for Americans. They've indicted the Russians, but that's a joke
because the Russians are in Russia. You're never you know,
this is like going to the FBI saying, hey, I
sent some money to a guy in like Belarus, Can
you get it back for me? Unfortunately, the answer is no.
Good luck. The indictments of the Russians is meaningless. This
is all political theater. They may try to advance this.
I don't know if they will or not. They may
try to advance this against some US persons or against
(08:27):
a US entity, and that would be under Pharah right,
that's the point. It would be under some kind of
clay out. I'm going into this detail because Hunter Biden
one hundred one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
The son of the sitting president of the United States,
violated Pharah. Everybody knows it. This is all a matter
of public record, and they just decided not to bring
the charges.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Against the guy. And now we know he's a convicted
As of today, he's not yet convicted, he's pleaded, but
he's about to be a convicted felon. What's a bigger
deal a few influencers that get some and they don't
know where it comes from, or the son of the
president getting paid off by the Chinese government and Ukrainian oligarchs.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I also buck the reason why the Russia Russia Russia
hoax that they played in twenty sixteen, and it didn't
really happen in twenty twenty on the same level because
it had blown up in their face with the Muller Report.
But let's just be honest and just look at this
from a real politic perspective. If you're of Vladimir Putin,
(09:29):
don't you want Kamala Harris to win. I think one
of the challenges they have at its most basic level
is if you have any intelligence whatsoever, you have a
really difficult time explaining why, if Trump is in such
a great relationship with Vladimir Putin, why Putin did nothing
(09:52):
when Trump was in office for four years, and why
as soon as Biden came into office he immediately evaded Ukraine.
Putin was, actually, I think the answer is afraid of
Trump because he didn't know what Trump might do, and
as a result, he doesn't want Trump back in office.
He wants Kamala back in office. And I went and
(10:13):
read about some of this Russian disinfo that is out there.
I'm not sure what the intent of the messages and
the content that was produced actually was, because some of
it seems anti Trumps in its motivations, as opposed to
like trying to get Trump elected because he's gonna be
(10:36):
Vladimir Putin's puppet. I just think that argument is very
difficult to make at this point in time. Now, does
it make sense to you, like I don't, Why would
Putin want Trump in office? He's actually with a weaker Kamala,
far more likely to be able to take action against
American interest with Kamala in office, I think, than he
would be with Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think the biggest bang for the buck, so to speak,
from all of the honestly pathetic and completely inconsequential Russian
meddling or nibbling around the edges of our election, I
think the biggest consequence of it, by far is the
self inflicted Red Scare, if you will. Although the Red
(11:17):
Scare was actually based on reality and the Venona Project,
and we could have that talk another time. There were
a lot of communists, by the way, they were all
basically in bed with the Democrats and the Democrat Party
and the unions. But this is effectively what the Red
Scare they said it was. It's actually happening now in
a different context, whereby they can malign and undermine people
by saying that there's some kind of Donald Trump, the
(11:39):
most notably and most and we had the whole Muther investigation.
We had all of this, but this is all a distraction, right,
the problem with it. You know, on the one hand,
you have to address this, and this is why gaslighting
is effective. We're sitting here, we're addressing this. I want
to talk and we will. By the way, We've got
great guests too on the show other things. We're talking
about a whole range of topics today, but you know,
(12:00):
we want to talk about the economy and where this
election is going. But the Democrat media, I really think
they're trying to at this point by Kamala time uh.
And I really mean that, because they're gonna run the
clock out situation. With every passing day that people become
more familiar with Kamala Harris, her numbers go down and
Democrats get more worried. So if they can get everybody
(12:22):
all freaked out and talking about Russia, Russia, Russia again again,
I can't even believe we're here, you know what I mean.
It's yeah, it's a it's like, you know, calling for
an extra long time out, calling for a bathroom time
out in the middle of the match. I think they're
panicked a little bit because the numbers are continuing to
break against them. And this poll just came down while
(12:43):
we're talking. Uh, Tim Sheehey, who we had on yesterday
running against John Tester for all the Montana's out there
a public poll that is middle of the road.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Uh Now has she he opening up a six point
lead head to head an eight point lead in a
multi ballot battle? Why does that matter? If she he
wins in Montana? Republicans are going to take back control
of the Senate.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And you saw.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Buck Kamala came out and dialed back the Biden capital
gains tax proposals. It would still be the highest capital
gains rate if it passed since nineteen seventy nine. I
think is the data. But I think she's running scared.
I think she's paniced. The fact that she was in
North Carolina, I think is a sign that her polls
(13:33):
are bad. The gambling markets. Trump has started to open
up a big lead again September tenth. On Tuesday of
next week, if Trump shows up and gives a solid
B plus B performance, I think you're going to start
to hear, Oh, we're in trouble. And one little detail tomorrow,
(13:54):
North Carolina sends out ballots. We have election season, buck,
all of the these numbers start to get baked in
starting tomorrow, basically in some of the battleground states, which
is wild to think about. We want you to vote early,
but we don't just have election day. So whatever the
snapshot is in September and October is going to be
(14:14):
reflected in the final totals. And I think things are
breaking perfectly for Trump at the right time.
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck live from Israel
with us right now overseas. We've got our friend Jeff Tigues.
Jeff spent twenty five years in the Special Operations community.
He was a Delta Squadron commander. He has tremendous experience
(16:16):
in military and national security affairs. He just today met
with Prime Minister Benjamin at Yahoo and also with the
Defense Minister of Israel Jeff. First of all, just tell us,
tell us about the mission set over there and what
you've learned so far.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, Bob, thanks a lot for having me. It's great
to connect with you again. You know, just a few
weeks ago, this organization that I hadn't heard of before,
the European Leadership Network, reached out to me. They were
looking for a couple of Americans to join them on
this military expert panel that consists of mostly Brits but
a couple of Aussies, an officer from Romania and France.
(16:54):
And I had no idea we were we would be
given this level of access. So we've really gone from
the tactical briefings. We surveyed the sites of the October
seventh attack in Israel. We went to a couple of
the kid we'd seen, and we went to where the
Nova festival. We got some really detailed briefings on how
this attack was actually pulled off. We saw some video
(17:15):
that has not been seen before. So from the tactical level,
we've had some incredible access and we have also been
briefed by some of the commanders on the ground, the
commander that just was replaced, who has really the one
who really became the groundbreaking pioneer on how to integrate
the fight within Gaza above ground and below ground. And
(17:37):
then yesterday we were actually able to have a militia
escort from the IDF to survey what is actually happening
in Gaza the fight.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So you were in Gaza yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Probably we were in Gaza yesterday, yeah, And we followed
the Philadelphia quarrider from the Rafa entrance all the way
down to Swedish Village to the sea. We were able
to survey some of the tome that they have found.
We were able to survey some of the old fighting
positions and even some of the some of the homes
that continue to stand and really get a good glimpse
(18:09):
of what the Israeli Defense Forces are dealing with. And
then we cap that off today from a lot of
this tactical evaluation to really hearing straight from the sources,
both with the Minister Defense and Prime Minister net Nyahu
on where they see going forward and what their strategies
are to defeat Hamas once and for all.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Jeff, I'm going to be over there in December, and
I think I'm going to see much of what you
are seeing now when you see what Hamas is still
doing in terms of holding hostages and certainly executing hostages,
six of them, including an American. Is it even more
unbelievable to you that there is any suggestion that Israel
(18:53):
should cease fire or stop what they're doing to try
to get their people back and also protect them from
another October seventh ever happening again.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's it's mind boggling that anyone thinks that that is
a realistic option. You know, part part of the defenses,
and you know, when you look at the success that
Hamas had on October seventh, part of that was the
expectation that they just wouldn't do something so barbaric, you know,
that the world would turn their back on something this medieval,
and the world supported Israel in a very very short time.
(19:27):
And then the information operations campaign that Hamas and has
Balond the other proxies and through Iran was able to
twist this story. So the barbarism was even at a
higher level than I was aware of. It's so complicated
on how they're continuing to fight. So really the primary
focus has been to defeat Hamas as an army we
call about we talk about Hamas as a terror organization,
(19:50):
but it was actually a terror army and it is
almost decimated. There is a there is about a thousand
Hamas left that they can that they think exist. Probably
half of them have already escaped Gaza, so they're really
down to just tiny pockets of resistance and they're continuing
to search for these hostages. But it's always been a
(20:11):
race for time. But it really is an untenable even
discussion to give up the Philadelphia qurridor because the hundreds
and hundreds of tunnels, the size, the scale and the
scope of them. There's no question how Hamas aren't There's
no question where they got their munitions. It was all
coming in through Egypt, and that is the single line
(20:32):
of defense that Israel has to control.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Speaking of Jeff Tigue's former Special Operations Community, and he's
part of this delegation of military experts, this panel that
has been meeting with the highest levels of the Israeli government,
and he was just in Gaza yesterday telling us about
the Philadelphi corridor and what he saw there in terms
of the tunnel networks. Jeff, how much? And I know
(20:58):
you know you spoke to Yahoo, you spoke to the minister.
So to the degree you can let us in on
some of the high level there, please do. I know
you probably have to respect some confidentiality equities as well,
but to whatever degree you can tell us about their
vision of where this is going next, or even just
what you see as the final stages of this war
(21:19):
against Hamas that was kicked off with their mass casualty
terror attack on October seventh.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yes, and I think ironically, Buck, you know, one of
the only criticism we had to share with Israel is
that they're losing the IO campaign. Yes, there were mistakes
that were made as far as the early warning and
how far Hamasu it was able to advance with their
terror attack, but they've got to be more open with
the public and the press, and so hopefully you'll be
(21:48):
getting some calls yourself for them to talk to you
about this in person. But they recognize that this is
the first year of probably a ten year war and
they're trying to limit the front. So right now now
they're being threatened out of God's Or. They're being threatened
by the booties. In the south, they're being threatened by
headsbal on the north, they're surrounded by Syria. They're continuing
to be rocketed by Iran. You know, Lebanon is you know,
(22:11):
trying to play both sides. So they've got a multifront
war and they're trying to take it piece by piece.
They don't want to have a multifront war, so they're
trying to prioritize what it is they're doing. But obviously,
like you know, to defeat Hamas and recover the hostages
is sometimes at loggerheads, and that's what they're trying to
deal with. So they're in this for the long haul.
(22:33):
They're really trying to find answers on what happens with
the day after, but there are very very few good solutions.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Jeff, is it fair to say that Hamas is desperately
rooting for Kamala Harris to win this race?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know, I hate to say this, but I'm going
to have to admit the answer is yes. You know,
I'm not a politician, I'm a soldier. I'm aware of politics,
and as a civilian, I'm involved in it. But you know,
having been over here and really talked to folks and
watched the degradation from some of these other administrations and
how we've really cooled relations with Israel, we've begun to
(23:11):
be real critical of Israel. You know. One of these
pivotal reasons that Hamas attacked when it did was because
they saw Israel as weak, They saw the West as weak.
They saw our ties and tenuous. And this wasn't just
initially designed to be a terror attack that was stopped.
These Hamas fighters had plans and maps and logistical support
(23:33):
to be in Israel over a month and to get
all the way to Tel Aviv, and they thought if
they could get an encroachment into Israel and just wreak
enough havoc. They were expecting has Alot to attack from
the north. They were expecting Iran to jump in. They
were expecting Juday and Sumaria, which we call the West Bank,
to be internal fires. So while there was some incredible
(23:56):
military terror successes by Jimas's was this did not become
a regional conflict. We have got to continue to demonstrate
our stallwart support for Israel and they're really feeling the strain,
and they've been feeling the strain on a bunch of
these latest administrations.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
What's your tactical sense, Jeff, of the ability to bring
home any of the remaining hostages?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You know, I'll answer you know. One of the reasons
I'm here, Buck, is because throughout my career I spent
a lot of time in Israel exchanging ideas and techniques
and tactics and even information and intelligence, and we tried
to learn from each other on what we were doing
and how we were successful in different arenas. And I
couldn't be more impressed and proud with this with this
(24:44):
very young defense force, on how they are working combined
arms maneuver, how how they are integrating what they're doing
above ground and below ground, and the learning curve that
that they've that created over the last few months. But
I I think people believe there are one hundred one
hostages still missing. We believe that there's probably less than
(25:07):
half of them still alive, and every day that goes by,
it becomes more and more risky. So the IDF day
and night are continuing to clear these tunnels. And one
thing I'll add that I thought found interesting. You know
what these tunnels I learned yesterday. These tunnels weren't made
for fighting. They were made for survival and logistics and movement.
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So once you understand how to occupy those tunnels, the
movement goes fast. Now Hamas is learning as well. So
as as these tunnels were first beating the IDF, the
IDF figured out how to solve that problem. But now
there's this pivot where the remaining hamas are starting to
make these tunnels booby trapped and rigged to blow with cameras.
(25:50):
So it's slowed down the movement again, and it's very,
very risky inside these tunnels as they've been created over
the last twenty years, includes cages and cells for these
hostages and even secret hiding places to put them. So
every day that goes by, it becomes less and less
likely that we'll be able to save more of these sausages.
(26:13):
But it is firmly in my opinion that the IDF
is doing everything they can at a very high professional
level to do the best that they can.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Jeff, do we have any idea what percentage of the
tunnel network has been uncovered discovered in any way by
the IDF yet or do they even have a sense
for how much there is underground at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's absolutely staggering. So some of the numbers that I
have in front of me that I wrote down was
over eighteen hundred underground shafts have been destroyed, so you know,
they destroy some of the shafts and then they'll enter
through some of these shafts and begin to clear these tunnels.
The one division that we were attached to yesterday, over
(26:58):
the last few months, they've cleared over two thousand kilometers
of tunnels under Gaza and they're drilling endlessly to try
to identify more of these tunnels. And the morning that
we went into Ratha yesterday, they had bumped into a
new tunnel last night and they were just clearing it today.
(27:19):
So the tunnel network is vast. I think they're believing
that they have about eighty percent of the tunnels mapped,
not necessarily that they've been inspected, but that they have
about eighty percent mapped, and they're just trying to take
it systematically. And I don't think it comes as any surprise,
but when you see it with your own eyesbuck, every
(27:39):
single tunnel that we went to look at, terminated in kindergarten,
a mosque, in a hospital. It was absolutely their standard
operating procedure. And the other thing that was kind of
weird that you don't think about is these tunnels also
terminated right in the homes of these Hamas leaders. So
just like you and I would get up in the
morning and have our mourning coffee and maybe maybe you know,
(28:01):
walk over to the home office, these guys were walking
straight from their homes down into these tunnels and going
straight to work. The network is amazing and it just
can't happen again. We gave them in two thousand and
five free autonomy to do whatever it is they wanted
to do. In Gaza, they decided to purge it of
Fatah and any any you know, reasonable group of from
(28:27):
the Palestinian authority. And for twenty years they have been
systematically with one thing in mind, and that was the
October seventh barbarism.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And Jeff, this is what I have to ask you
real quick. I'm just well, look on a minute, I
mean you you went muzzle to muzzle sure with al Qaeda.
With that, you know, with the bad guys of the
war on Terror. Is the evil that you have seen
from Hamas by being there and seeing the tunnels and
seeing the videos reminiscent of what you saw with AQI
(28:56):
and these other groups.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
This this is the purest evil I've ever seen. I mean,
these these these Amas terrorists went in and it was
just wholesale murder. They slaughtered families, men, women, children, the
old and the videos that we watch Buck they're gleeful,
they're singing, they're dancing, they're calling home telling their mom
and dad what they had just done with killing these
(29:19):
dogs or killing these pigs. So that the combination of
the glee and the just the free for all fun
that these terrorists were having, and the barbers of the blood,
the beheading, the rapes, when you actually see it, the
live videos that they had on their body cams, it's
I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Jeff, honestly can't thank you enough for your service to
our country for decades and also today for bringing this
ground truth to all of us about this war that
Israel is waging against the Hamas terrorists. Thank you for
being with us. It's always good to talk to you,
my friend. Sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And they do a lot of it with the Sunday
hang join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up
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Speaker 3 (30:13):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the Thursday edition of the program. We are joined now
by Senator Marshall Blackburn, who is going to absolutely crush
her Democrat opponent in what sixty one days from now,
and so I look forward to that happening in my
home state of Tennessee. But Senator you guys, let's start
(30:36):
here because the polling is looking really good for Republicans
taking back control of the Senate. What are you seeing
in the larger landscape out there, and how confident are
you that the Republican Party is going to take back
control of the Senate come November.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
We have to make certain that we run hard, that
we want card and that we do not take anything
for granted. And if we do that and we get
our message out and we talk about the Biden Harris
record of failure when it comes to the economy, our border,
(31:15):
and crime in this country, then we will win. But
it is taking nothing for granted, and in my race, Clay,
I don't take anything for granted. We are working hard
every day and your audience can follow us at Marsha
Blackburn dot com and also keep up with some of
(31:36):
these other ratess that are taking place around the country.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Center Blackburn's Buck, great to have you as always. We
know that Trump is going up against Kamala next week
on Tuesday in the debate. I know that you know
you and the President have a very good relationship. Are
if you're able to give him some advice? I want
to ask if you are or not, because I know
maybe you're having some private conversations with them, But how
would you advise, as I may say, as a prominent
(32:03):
woman in politics, president Trump to approach debating the Democrat
and obviously female nominee Kamala Harris.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
What we have to do is make certain end that
debate that President Trump keeps the focus on the issues
and just as in our messaging when we talk about
the House and Senate, racist Buck, what we have to
do is keep it on this record that they have
and if they were to get another four years, what
(32:34):
they would do and Kamala Harris would leave the border open,
she would raise taxes, she would let the Trump tax
cuts expire, and these crazy economic ideas, this crazy economic
policy that she has, the ambiguous nature with which she
has approached foreign affairs in our relationship with Israel. All
(32:59):
of this is a hit scratcher to people because it
is such a departure from policies that we've had in
the way that we have worked in the past. So
President Trump gave a speech today to the Economic Club
of New York, which was bought on, and he handled
a wide range of issues in those remarks. And I
(33:22):
fully believe that if he keeps the focus on those
issues that the American people care about and that they
are focused on, that he is going to do just fine,
and he will be the forty seventh president of the US.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Senator it seems to be.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And I'm guessing this is what you're seeing on the
road an economy, a border, and a crime election. Is
that what you're hearing mostly from Tennesseeans as you go
about the state and prepare for this election.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
I'm hearing it from Tennesians and also as I'm out
and about helping others like Bernie Marino in Ohio and
others of our candidates. I'm hearing it in the other states,
and people are tired of being broke. People are inceensed
that this administration wants to allow illegal aliens to vote
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in our elections. And I had a woman this morning
say to me, are we honestly going to let people
walk across the border and then say, here's your path
to citizenship. And by the way, here here's a ballot.
You can go vote, and remember to vote for Joe Biden.
And that's how blatant they are with this. And as
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people look more closely at this, they want to make
certain that their vote is going to count. They want
to make certain that they know who is going to
end up really being in charge of this country. And
they know Joe Biden has not been the one in charge.
And they listen to Kamala Harris and they say, I'm
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not so sure she would be the decision maker.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
EID, we're speaking to Senator Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee. Senator Blackburn,
we know there was a horrific, you know, shooting which
we haven't really talked about much on the show yesterday
in Georgia school shooting. Democrats going to politicize it right
away with calls for gun control that aren't going to
go anywhere. But this is what they do in election season.
(35:30):
No time for the families to grieve. I'm wondering if
you could speak to this bill that is you're saying
is a bipartisan bill, the After School Act, who curb
juvenile violent crime? What's going on with this?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Yes, this is bipartisan, as she said, and it is
something Senator Cortez Masto and I have worked on. What
we have learned is that violent juvenile crime generally occurs
between the hours of two and six. So this would
be grants for nonprofits to do programs aimed at youth
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in those after school hours. And it is a way
to keep these kids involved in activities. It is a
way to keep them from being recruited by gangs. It
is a good positive step. And you have cities like Memphis,
Tennessee here and we've got the city Council and the
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County Commission that have endorsed this legislation. It is more
tools to address these problems where they exist, which is
in these communities. And I also have a bilt, the
Safe School Act that I've been pushing since twenty eighteen
and this would be a nine hundred million dollar grant
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program for schools public and private, to access to the
schools and put it into security. Whether it is officers
or a security assistant, or ballistic film cameras, but the
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components that are necessary for keeping our children safe during
the school day.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Senator, I don't know if this is public yet, but
I'll go ahead and say it. Sometimes that's dangerous. You
and I are going to be doing an event together
in Jackson, Tennessee, next month, which I'm excited about. I
think on October tenth. We need to get you on
before we do that event. But I'm going to be
out and about campaigning for you. I've also said I'm
going to vote the earliest possible day that I can.
(37:43):
Usually I am an election day voter. I like the
experience of going in, and my wife works at the
local voting place and she is an election volunteer and
all those things. But you know, and I know that
things can come up on a election day. You got
a sick kid, sick grandkid, you got obligations, Maybe you
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don't feel well. Are you encouraging people as you go
around the state, Hey, get out and get your vote.
Banked and if that occurs, how does that help you
and others out there in terms of driving up turnout
to win elections.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Yes, October sixteenth says when the early vote starts in Tennessee,
and our Marsha Blackburn dot com website has all of
that information, and we are encouraging people to vote day
one and to take friends and neighbors with them if
they are working. Makes just having the safest, most secure
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elections in the country here in Tennessee. So we want
to be certain that people take the time to go
vote and get people there on that first day of
early voting.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'm going to be there on October sixteenth in my
home state of Tennessee, voting for Senator Marsha Blackburn. Senator
on your way out that website one more time if
people want to help you and ensure that Republicans are
going to have the majority in the Senate this fall.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
Yes, it is Marsha Blackburn dot com.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Marsha Blackburn dot com. I'll see you soon, Senator. Keep
up a good work.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Hey, yeah bye bye.
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Our friend Julie Kelly back in the mix. She is
the author of the Declassified Substack, which you should go
check out, go subscribe to it. Doing a lot of
work on the law fair, the K six defendants, and more.
She's in DC and minudstand Julie, is you just left
the courthouse? What were you there for? And what is
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the latest of the ongoing lawfair against Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
Hey, guys, so I was there this morning. This is
the first hearing in more than ten months in special
Council Jacksmiths January sixth related indictment of Donald Trump. Of course,
proceedings been on hold as Judge Tanya Chudkins's immunity opinion,
which denied the president immunity from presidential from excuse me,
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criminal prosecution moved through the appellate court and then, of
course the Supreme Court, which came back on July first
with its landmark opinion and Trump versus the US outlining
basically three separate buckets of immunity. So now that the
court the Supreme Court handed that down, jack Smith had
to address it. In his old indictment. He cut nine
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pages from it because the Supreme Court said all of
Donald Trump's communications with his Department of Justice were of
course well within his core powers constitutional powers. So Jacksmith
had cut nine pages. He dropped a co conspirator, Jeffrey Clark,
who was with the boj at the time. Jacksmith filing
a superseding indictment last week and basically restarting the proceedings,
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and that was the basis of this hearing today. What
the next step will be.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
In this case, Julie, this is all chaotic. I think
it's hard for people to follow. I mentioned earlier. I
want to hit this one and we'll come back to DC.
But I'm sure you saw Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade
together again showing up at Fanny Willis's daughter, I believe,
was arrested for a traffic violation, and Nathan Wade, who
(43:25):
supposedly isn't involved with Fanny Willis anymore, she testified under
oath that their relationship was done. Now maybe they rekindled
that romance, if you want to be kind to her,
and so she didn't lie under oath.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
But I thought it was really into the soap opera
here way. Well, I mean, look, I mean, and.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
It feels so good.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Come on, all you had to do was not sleep
with the person that you hired to try to put
Trump in prison, and that case may well have been
able to go to trial. I mean, it's really the
incompetence is kind of amazing. But I thought it was
emblematic of sort of the incompat that has existed, whether
it's Jack Smith getting the case tossed in South Florida
(44:05):
having to do a superseding indictment, and now Alvin Bragg
Fanny Willis. We also have, in addition to what's going
on with Judge Chuckkins's courtroom, and I'm gonna ask you
about her sort of mindset. What do you think is
going to happen with Judge Merchand because now he's got
to make a decision and it's a pretty big one
what to do with Trump? I saw there was a
(44:27):
hagiography profile of just.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Remind everybody real quickly that we're talking about New York
City now where the just soever? Because we're moving around
to cases and judges here the idiot sentenced.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's so messy when you look at all this, Julie,
what do you think they're going to do in New
York City?
Speaker 7 (44:45):
Look, I think we talked about this maybe last week
and I've tweeted this, and that is these judges and
prosecutors don't care. They don't care if higher courts come in,
and I saw that today with Judge Chuckkins. They don't
care if they're humil at the appellate level or the
Supreme Court. These prosecutors don't care if they're humiliated in
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the press or even by their colleagues. Their only goal,
and this is prosecutors and judges Georgia, New York, Washington,
Thank god for judging Nan Cannon and Florida. She's the exception.
If this helps to destroy Donald Trump, to help disable
or hurt him at all the election.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
They don't care.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
About the long term consequences. And this is what we
could talk about Judge Kanya Tucktin today. They are all
on the same page. They have no respect for the
rule of law or due process, for common decency. So,
of course jan Marshawn is going to come back on
September sixteenth. He is going to issue an order without
any hearing, without any inputs from the Department of Justice.
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He is going to come back and say that the
Supreme Court's community ruling has no odds involvement, has no
part of the New York case, even though the New
York case deals with when Donald Trump was in the
White House communications he had with White House employees and officials.
He's going to come back and single handedly say no,
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none of this is covered under the Supreme Court immunity ruling.
And two days later it won't even be enough time
for Donald Trump's lawyers to file an emergency appeal. Any
immunity decision is automatically appealed, and it puts the proceedings
on today. They'll barely have time to file that appeal
before two days later, on September eighteenth, Marshawan is supposed
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to sentence Donald Trump for his convictions. He doesn't care
if he gets overturned later. He really, these judges do
not care. That is the frightening aspect of all of this.
And so you cannot expect good behavior from Fanny Willis,
or good behavior from Jan Marshon, or even just do
your jobs the ways that we expect you to. There's
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no consequences for them. And even long at they're overturned
by the courts, as I said, they don't care because
their short term goals will have been achieved.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Prepare for Trump to be sentenced to prison. On September
eighteenth was the article that Anny McCarthy wrote up at
Fox News. What do you think about that? Really? I mean,
you're kind of leading up to it, but I feel
like we needed to say this out loud. Do you
really think that Judge Mrchan is willing to do that?
Speaker 7 (47:27):
I mean, I think we've discussed this before. You can't
put anything past him because he has acted so badly.
Of course, totally compromised with his daughter's involvement in democratic politics,
made at least thirteen million dollars while her father was
presiding over the Trump case, raking in at least thirteen
(47:47):
million from Trump meeting Democrats, including Adam Schiff, and then
preaking a gap order on Donald Trumper. He can't even
make public statements about her. And then you had the
federal court a judge also deny last week Donald Trump's
moved to remove the case from a state court to
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federal court, where it belongs because this deals with federal conduct.
Now it deals with the Supreme Court rulers. We had
a ninety year old Clinton judge who probably didn't even
read the Supreme Court immunity ruling, probably didn't even read
the motion to move it from state to federal court.
Immediately deny that. I mean, Donald Trump simply cannot get
any release from any of these judges or prosecutors, except,
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of course judging U Cannon who dismissed the document's case
last month, or excuse me, in July based on the
unconstitutional appointment of Jack Smith. But in any other scenario here,
in any of these trials, and this extends to the
Jay sixers, and we could talk about this later. These
judges and prosecutors have no respect for the rule block
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or the Constitution for due process rights. They are all
just partisan actors. And this is they are setting very
dangerous precedents in the process.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
You mentioned in the January six ers. It seems that
despite the Supreme Court ruling about an excessive use of
a Sarbanes Oxley based charge to try to put people
behind bars for as long as possible, that most judges
are not really applying the Supreme Court precedent in a
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way that they should, in my breeding, in a beneficial
way for most jan six defendants. With that in mind,
I know Trump has talked about pardoning many of those
jan six defendants.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Do you think he will? Do you think he should?
And I don't mean everybody.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Some people legitimately attacked police officers, they engaged in actual
acts of violence, but Grandma's with selfie sticks who walked
into the Capitol and got charged with crimes. I mean,
you would know better than me, Julie, But I would
think ninety five percent of these people that there's no
doubt Trump should pardon them if he's elected.
Speaker 7 (49:58):
Absolutely, And I think the lowest fruit would be those
who are convicted of the misdemeanor offenses because those simply
have never been applied in a federal capacity to any
political protesters in Washington. Those people, all of them, and
this represents the overwhelming majority of cases, are just these
four federal misdemeanors. All of those defendants should be pardoned. Then,
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of course you go to those who were convicted or
created guilty to the fifteen twelve C two obstruction what
you were just recurring to again overturned by the Supreme
Court in June. All of those people should be of
course pardoned for that. I would take it a step
further civil disorder, other nonviolent offenses, those people should be
parted as well. Then you could separate out people who
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attacked police officers. Now is throwing a water bottle attacking
a police officer that should land someone in prison for
six years. So what I think the next step is
to look at that batchel of defendants, and then compare
that to similar cases in Washington in DC where you
have people who attack police officers all the time. We
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just saw this in the Prohamas demonstrations a few months ago,
attacking federal police. Those people have not even been arrested
or charged, let alone had the books from with them.
So then the president will have to look at, you know,
comparable cases and those sentences, and almost all of them
should be commuted because there's just no comparison between people
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who've attacked federal officers during a political protest, whether it's
twenty seventeen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, or certainly this
year or early late last year, that there has to
be equity and how the law is applied in Washington.
But that is not happening. And every time I come here,
you guys, I am more disgusted and truly heartbroken in
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a way at what I see happen in the CDC courthouse.
They basically judges are saying back to the Fisher fifteen
Twelvey two. They are saying to j sixers, the criminal
Code and the federal sentencing guidance never anticipated an event
like January sixth, so they can basically make up laws,
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they can misapply the law, they can ignore limits in
federal sentencing guidance to exact maximum punishment on J sixers,
even to the point of ignoring the Supreme Court, which
is what they're doing because they want to send a message,
like Marrick Garland has said, this will not be tolerated
if you try to protest again the election in Washington,
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the twenty twenty four results. This is what will happen
to you.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Truly, I have to ask you, you know, because there's
some back you know, back channel chatter going on among
a bunch of people I know on the right that
while we see all this Russia Russia stuff as just
the most obvious and conveniently timed political manipulation in advance
of the election, that maybe there's more stuff going on.
(52:57):
We know what happened to Trump, we know about the abusifies,
we know about the whole weaponization of the deep state.
It's still there, and now they've got a Democrat president.
Do you have any concerns given the return of you know,
Russia collusion three point zero or whatever we're calling it,
that we're just seeing the beginning of this.
Speaker 7 (53:18):
Possibly because you know that they will use that, just
as they did in twenty twenty to suppress and you know, information,
to suppress free expression. I believe the indictment, and I
haven't had a chance because I've been here covering this
deals with if you make negative comments about immigration or inflation,
that somehow that is going to be Russian disinformation, just
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like we saw about Hunter's laptop, just like we thought
about criticism of absence ye voting in twenty twenty. But
it's stunning to me the same DJ claiming the Russians
are trying to interfere in our election, having Jack Smith
and at least eight other federal prosecutors in a DC
courtroom this morning advancing an indictment, a weak, watered down
(54:04):
indictment that will ultimately be tossed, keeping that indictment in
play now sixty days away from election day, and having
a federal judge, Judge Tannys Chuckin an Obama appointees stay
out loud. The election has no consideration in my courtroom.
The electoral schedule will have no impact on my trial
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schedule or hearing schedule moving forward. It is not a
factor in my courtroom. That's what she said, So the
same doj warning about what now you know more Russia, Russia,
Russia collagrantly allowing their own department and Special Council, unconstitutional
special council, by the way, advancing this indictment, keeping Donald
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Trump's lawyers in courts, and also keeping this phony, bogus
indictment in the headline.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Julie Kelly, everybody declassified is your sub stack. You just
walked out of the courtroom down there in DC doing
the most on the front lines engagement with this lawfair stuff,
reporting on this lawfair stuff. If anybody, Julie, thank you
so much. Great to have you as always. Thank you, Julie.
Speaker 7 (55:09):
Sorry, I'm fired up, guys, but thank you for.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Having we like fired up, Julie, stay fired up. We'll
talk to you. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (55:15):
Thanks, guys, calling all.
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