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September 9, 2024 58 mins
The quiet panic. Beat the cheat. Kash Patel’s advice for Trump. Lisa Boothe’s advice for Trump.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of The Clay Travis n Bucks
Sexton Show gets going right now. It is a big
week everyone. We are excited to be here with you
talking about it. Debate night tomorrow night. A lot of
preparation talks, strategizing, tactical analysis, and all the rest of

(00:20):
it going on today and tomorrow. We will dive into
that for sure. Also on x elon Musk social media
platform that is I think going to play an increasingly
large role in this election as people get closer and
closer to casting their votes because the media can't shut

(00:43):
down narratives. The situation of Springfield, Ohio, which according to
reports had about forty eight or fifty thousand residents and
has had twenty thousand Haitian Lee's essentially and people that
are brought here under an emergency order but just allowed

(01:04):
into the country, no vetting, no nothing, And there's a
lot of stuff going around social media about just the
strain on public resources and what this means for the town,
the disorder, the crimes that are being committed, all of it.
So we'll get into that. And there are allegations that
are also flying around about some of the migrants killing

(01:30):
ducks in public parks. I mean, this is really is
this is being said.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I just want to be clear on the record in
public forums, and I mean killing duck, Like they go
up to it and chop its head off and they
start roasting it in the park with like people pushing
strollers by and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
This is what's being said right now. We'll get into this.
There's video, there's people reporting this. We'll discuss this because
it brings up once again, not only are migrants affecting
cities like New York, Chicago, et cetera, but in small cities,
either the government designs or perhaps the migrants aside themselves

(02:05):
to congregate in large numbers and it puts a tremendous
resource burden on that city such that Remember Democrats are
now pretending to be tough on the border. Hey, anyone
who wants to reflexively, you know, shoot down or disagree
with what I'm saying would have to explain why Kamala
Harris is now saying she's in favor of a wall. Everybody, Okay,

(02:29):
they can see where the country is on this, that's right.
Kamala Harris isn't just in favor of comprehensive immigration reform.
She has come out in favor of a wall, although
she may come out against it tomorrow or have some
surrogates say she's against it. You know, it changes every day.
Who knows. Clay, let's start with this though. Now you

(02:49):
and I are looking at the same thing over the weekend.
This is this is good stuff. New York Times headline,
Trump and Harris neck and neck at after summer upheaval,
Times Siena poll finds Now, I think this is a
very interesting headline because what it actually shows is that

(03:10):
Donald Trump, in terms of the national vote right now, right,
if the twenty twenty four presidential election we're held today,
who would you vote for nationwide? Pole forty eight percent,
Trump forty seven percent. Kamala Harris. We can get into
and I know you want to, so we will in
a second. Here more of a deep dive into these numbers.

(03:33):
But Clay, the Kamala campaign was all premised on creating
this false narrative and hoping the sort of the air
leaves that balloon slowly enough that they could fool people
in this election. I think this balloon's running out of
air or really fast. I think people are seeing what's
going on the Democrats are in a quiet panic. Yes,

(03:54):
we've been telling people for the last couple of weeks.
You were on it before I was, but that the
data had been reflecting that the Kamala surge, the sugar high,
the honeymoon of Oh look, Joe Biden, ancient dementia riddled
president is no longer our nominee. Now we've got Kamala Harrison.

(04:15):
It's a brat summer, and there's joy, and there's happiness.
It's all gone. She didn't get a boost from the
convention because I think she had gotten the boost from
just merely not being Biden. The RFK junior TULSEI Gabbert
editions I think have been very important for Trump in
terms of expanding the base. And this is important because

(04:40):
Trump isn't just doing well in battleground states, which we
knew was going to be the case, but he's also leading,
according to the New York Times, in potentially the actual
popular vote, and given that the Midwest in particular is
a couple of points behind where the popular vote is
because Democrats tend to run up margins in California and

(05:04):
historically places like New York and Massachusetts and whatnot, the
Northeast and California provide much of the bulwark to the
Democrat Party when it comes to the national vote. If
Trump wins the popular vote, this election's not going to
be close. And there have been signs we talked about
last week. Kamala Harris deciding to begin her campaign after

(05:27):
Labor Day in New Hampshire should have set up a
little bit of a warning sign to many out there
about what her internal polls were showing, because Biden won
New Hampshire by seven points in twenty twenty, and New
Hampshire is one of the most reliable states out there
because they essentially require on election day voting. There isn't

(05:50):
very much absentee voting in New Hampshire. Everybody has to
show up in person, present ID. It's a good barometer
for how the nation will vote, and it's very secure election.
We talked about buck Virginia. The fact that there have
continued to be polls coming out showing Kamala just a
couple of points up in Virginia, a state that Joe

(06:10):
Biden won by ten. There are lots of ominous signs
out there, and with the debate happening tomorrow, I think
Trump needs to be smart about how he behaves in
the debate. I think, and I'm curious how you would
analyze this. The way that you perform in a debate
if you're winning is different than if you're behind. If

(06:32):
you're winning, you want to come out show confidence, be
above the fray to a large extent, show that you
are presidential. If you're losing, you need to drag somebody
down into the mud with you. You need to make
it messy often times because you're trying to make up ground. Trump,
to me, buck is the equivalent we just had the

(06:52):
NFL start. Trump has the ball and he's winning. When
you have the ball and you're winning, you just run
the off tackle play. He's economy, border crime, He's got
the issues on his side, He's got the clock on
his side. He doesn't need to upset the trajectory of
this race. He just needs to bring it home, baby,
because everything is working in his favor right now. I

(07:14):
also think it's funny that the Kamala campaign has complained
about the muting of mikes, which was an agreed to rule.
I do think that that is going to be to
Trump's benefit because Kamala posing as Oh I'm a woman
and he's interrupting me because he's a bully or whatever. Yes,
that's her most obvious play. And I know that for

(07:36):
people who pay attention to politics and know what's going on,
who can care about that. There'll be people who tune
in who and this isn't I'm not disparaging anybody who's
in this category. You know, they're just trying to pay
their bills and live their lives, and they don't really
focus much on politics, and they don't really have particularly
strong opinions. And those kinds of optics or vibes or

(07:58):
whatever you want to say, those those perceptions of trump deportment,
of Trump treatment of his opponent could be meaningful. I
think that's pretty much off the table. I totally agree
that if Trump runs this thing as though he is
he's the elder statesman, which he is, the elder statesman
in the room, and the guy who is serious and

(08:20):
wants to get back to business, here best possible thing.
I also think that Trump liked all the praise that
he got pretty universally from the Biden debate. You know, yeah,
he likes to do it however he wants to do it.
But he also likes to win, I think, more than
anything else. So I'm expecting him to be pretty. You know,
it's always a variation of Trump, right, It's not the
way you or I or anyone listening would debate Kamala Harris.

(08:42):
I think you'll have a pretty dialed in Donald Trump tomorrow.
I don't expect him to go fly off the handle
a bit and just back if I can play to
the poland for a second, you're what's his name, Nate
Silver Ye see this? Yeah, he's got it. He has
thought Kamala according to the five thirty eight twenty eight

(09:03):
what is it? Five to twenty eight? He used to
have five thirty eight now he has the thirty independent site.
Five thirty eight is still owned by ABC News. I think.
But he's got I think, And we had him on
the show a couple of weeks ago. He's got the
most reliable, I think, analytical based analysis of the presidential
polling that is out there. And to your point, Buck,
it is very favorable to Trump. Right now. He's got

(09:26):
Trump winning now over a sixty percent chance of Trump winning,
and just a couple of weeks ago he had Kamala winning.
So something has changed. Look we've told you this for
a while now. And this is why that initial rush
from oh it's not Biden, and the exhilaration and the
media all standing around together in Unison in a way

(09:47):
that was truly Pravda esque. I mean it was Soviet
in the way that they were all, Oh, it's amazing
Kamala Harris, he's so great. They've been hiding her from
the public. We all see what's going on here. She's
done one interview in what forty days or something like this.
I mean, it's it's blaringly, glaringly however you want to say,

(10:08):
it's very obvious that Kamala Harris is trying to pretend
she's something she's not, just so she can win the
election and she can go back to being a San
Francisco progressive. Okay, that's what's happening, and I think people
are catching on a little bit. And also she's just
not good at the blocking and tackling, if you will,
of yeah, presidential campaigning, because she's also not doing it right.

(10:31):
She's not good at it, and she's so not good
at it that she's not doing it, did you see buck,
And we can dive into this a little bit too.
Did you see that they went after college football fans
in the Midwest with banners to fly over the stadiums
during the Big Ten games, including one that said Jade
Vance loves Ohio State flying over during the Michigan Texas game.

(10:56):
They know the bids and that's actually pretty funny. I
just that's actually I think it's pretty funny. But I
actually think it is evidence that they are really kind
of panicked because I'm telling you, I know these people.
They show up for Penn State games, they show up
for Michigan, Michigan State games, Wisconsin. I'm gonna be in
Wisconsin this weekend. I cannot wait. I'm gonna be at

(11:18):
the Alabama Wisconsin game in Madison for with my family. Buck.
They are panicked because the older, white male and female
voter that they need to rely on to be able
to turn out that Biden had appeal to she doesn't
have the appeal to them. And they knew that, and
they went and grabbed Tim Walls, Who's an awkward, not reflective,

(11:41):
normal dude.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
They tried anytime you try to sell somebody as oh,
the middle part of the country is gonna like him.
I live in the middle part of the country. I
look around and I say, we feel like we're being
sort of mocked and ridiculed by you trying to claim
see there's people like us who like you too, telling
you they're starting to panic in the Midwest, and she
was already doing poorly in Arizona. She's not winning. The

(12:07):
one thing I feel very confident about Buck is I
know the South. She's not winning North Carolina, she's not
winning Georgia. And if she doesn't win North Carolina and Georgia,
and I really don't think she is, she is in
a tough spot. It means if he wins Pennsylvania, Trump,
it doesn't even matter what happens in Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada,
or Arizona. We want to win all those states. But

(12:29):
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the map is almost impossible for her at that point. Also,
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get your podcasts. Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So
a lot going on here with the uh prep for
the debate. We're gonna get into more of that. We've
got our I'm trying to think of who is Kosh
Ptel one thirty and Lisa Booth two thirty coming down
the pike in the next couple of hours to be

(15:03):
it didn't need to stretch. He's out there on the field.
He's going So you know, I think that what we're
going to see is unlikely to have the kind of
a well it's not gonna have the effect that it
had against Biden for sure, but it's an opportunity if
Trump shows in my mind, Clay, if Trump shows up
ahead after that poll another point or two. It's feeling

(15:27):
very good. And by the way, please, I know that
I get more messages now about well, what about the cheating,
and what about the cheating? And if they cheat and
they beat us this time, we deserve to lose if
we don't catch it and stop it. That's how that's
how I feel about it. You know, I didn't say
if they cheat we deserve to lose. Is that if
they cheat and we don't catch it and they get
away with it, we deserve to lose. We've got we

(15:50):
talked to Chairman Wattley of the R and C. He
said they're all over this. He said, they've got an
army of pole watchers. He said, they've got an army
of lawyers. We have every you know you know what
I mean, like fool me once, as Bush said, can't
get fooled again. And I would encourage all of you
to do what my wife Laura did, who was fired
up about election security. She is volunteering in our local

(16:15):
poll and I'll be working there. Yeah. She spent yeah
at she'll be there on election day. She got trained,
she is ready to go. Uh. And also when we
had what Lee on at the r n C, he
told all of you, we appreciate the emails we really
do to us saying hey, you need to let people

(16:35):
know they're gonna cheat, they're gonna try to rig the election,
all these things. We appreciate it. But what would be
better than you emailing Buck and me is if you
out there could make the decision to volunteer yourself to
help with election security. And the r n C is
signing people up left and right, particularly if you have

(16:56):
the time. Some of you are lawyers and you want
to be poll watchers. They are desperately asking for you
to be involved. So if you truly care about the
sanctity and security of the election, the best thing you
can do is give your labor over to the RNC
to help ensure we have fair and faithful and secure elections.

(17:18):
I'm just gonna say it. I mean, the Trump team,
legally speaking, was outmaneuvered by the twenty twenty COVID stuff. Well,
we don't have COVID now, okay, But the way that
the laws were changed or even broken, I would argue
in some states to allow voting patterns that would be
more favorable to Democrats. There's been plenty of time to
challenge all that, plenty of time to get in front

(17:40):
of you know, it's what happened in twenty twenty in
part and please don't tell me, but what about this
and what about that? I don't have six hours to
talk about this right now, but one part of it was, hey,
they did this. They shouldn't have allowed those votes to
be in in that way that they at the time
were allowed to be cast. Once votes are cast and
people have been told, you're allowed to cast them that way,

(18:02):
even if it violates the state constitution, as I believe
it did in Pennsylvania. To have it's very you're just
not gonna get a judge to be like, well, people
voted in good faith, so that doesn't matter. We're just
gonna say it didn't count. They're just not going to
do it. And I remember I said that at the time.
My point here isn't oh but nothing matters. My point
is they've got to get ahead of it. They've got
time to get ahead of it. They've had four years.

(18:25):
I'm not saying that we won't see Shenanigans. I'm saying
we need to be ready for it. And going into
this with well, they're gonna cheat, we're not. We don't
sit and cry in advance of seeing what the scoreboard
is run. Let's beat the cheat and run the scoreboard
up so high that it would be laughable to think
that Donald Trump hasn't won this election. Yeah, and let's

(18:45):
expand the number of states where we are putting them
in play. This is why I mentioned New Hampshire and Virginia.
Everybody focused on Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, deservedly so, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia,
and North Carolina. But keeping a lot of states within
a close margin makes it really hard. The great analogy,

(19:10):
or the great sort of metaphor for this, which you've
seen in cartoons forever, is the guy who's trying to
plug the dam that starts to pop with a bunch
of different holes in it, you know, the cartoon, that
is what needs to happen in twenty twenty four, and
we are now the race itself. Even if you talk
to the most diehard Democrat, it's all on Democrat Party.

(19:35):
Twenty twenty twenty one states, with the exception of North Carolina.
The other six agreed upon battlegrounds, and we could expand
it to again New Hampshire and to Virginia. But all
of the battlegrounds are Democrats having to defend. Right now,
North Carolina. I feel like a lot of you listening

(19:55):
in North Carolina is going to go red. Got to
show up and vote, got to do every But Trump
won North Carolina in twenty sixteen, he won North Carolina
in twenty twenty. I don't think that suddenly Kamala Harris
is gonna win in twenty twenty four. A lot of
work to be done. But that's the only state buck
that they're even spending money on. That is a quote
unquote red state from twenty twenty. Every other battleground state,

(20:18):
blue state that Biden won that Kamala is trying to defend,
they're on their back heel. We just got to pour
on more steam here and That's what I think the
elect the debate tomorrow can do. If Trump shows up
and delivers a solid performance. We'll get into this more
when it happens, But I just have been thinking about
it a bunch already. If Trump wins this debate tomorrow,

(20:41):
I don't think he should I don't think he should
debate again because Kamala's going You're gonna know that he
has won because of not only with the polls show,
but then the campaign, the Kamala campaign will be open
to suddenly. She's going to show up desperate, begging for
another opportunity to change the trajectory. And if I'm Trump
at that point, I just said, no, why we did
this once? You know that's all you agreed to, and

(21:03):
you know I'm not playing this game anymore. And she
can go around and wine because the whining at that
point would be obvious to everybody. Is just a function
of she knows she's losing. I mean, here's the neck
and neck narrative and the oh it's so close. Two
weeks ago it was Kamala's winning in every swing state. Haha,
Kamala is going to win Comma. You know that was

(21:25):
the story from the media. The only reason they're saying
it's neck and neck now is because they want everyone
to think it's very very close and not. Oh so,
Kamala is losing ground and Trump is gaining ground with
each passing day, which is what is actually happening. Did
you see the panic though, when the New York Times
poll came out because they knew they know the New

(21:46):
York Times is not rigged in favor of Trump. The
left wing panic when they came out yesterday and showed
Trump up forty eight forty seven, up two points in
a multi candidate field, by the way, was legion. They
are nervous, they're afraid, they know that Kamala has tried

(22:08):
to hide. They've spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying
to move the needle. And this is where to your point, Buck,
I think they're so challenged and why an October surprise
would be so difficult. Everybody knows what they think about
Donald Trump. Everybody knows. You've had since twenty fifteen to
decide where you are and what you think about Donald Trump.

(22:32):
And to me, the most interesting part of the New
York Times poll, Buck, was that Trump is at all
time favorability highs in the New York Times poll. They
have spent nine years attacking him with everything they've got.
They tried to put him in prison in New York,
South Florida, d C. Georgia. They tried to bankrupt him,

(22:53):
They charged him with inappropriate behavior from over twenty years ago.
They changed the statute of limitations to allow these lawsuits
to even exist. And after all that buck, after billions
of dollars they have spent, Trump is more popular as
we are talking to you right now than he ever
has been in his entire political career. And to your point,

(23:16):
based on all the polling, he's in better shape right
now than he ever was in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty.
As we get ready to start voting. One of my
biggest concerns with the way that they have waged the
lawfair campaign against Trump has been all along the precedent
that it sets, and everyone has talked about the crossing
of the rubicon because it is something that we have

(23:39):
never seen before. I truly mean this to me. The
only way to even try to put that genie back
in the bottle is for Donald Trump to win this election,
and therefore for it to be a clear rejection of
the lawfair tactic to try to win a presidential election,

(24:02):
to have left wing Democrat prosecutors and a left wing
Democrat judge and a left wing Democrat jury come up
with some just absurd, absurd case and criminal allegation, all
this stuff. If Donald Trump loses, it's going to be
hard not to think that this won't be replicated in

(24:23):
the future. If Donald Trump wins, I think it will
at least be something of a rebuke to the lawfair narrative,
which is really important. Honestly goes beyond even just Trump
in this election. It goes to the future of the country.
So I think it also buck to your point, not
just lawfair. I think if Trump wins, the entire concept
of identity politics is going to have to get re

(24:44):
examined by Kamala Harris because she is the ultimate DEI
candidate black woman that supposedly is going to unite all
the different people of various ethnic groups in America and
bring them out to the polls and take back control
of the country for awful old white men like Donald
Trump who are racist. And I think if she loses,

(25:05):
I really do buck. I think they're gonna have to
go back and recalibrate that, suf. I don't think so, man.
I think they just need a better minority politician. I
just think that that might be true. But who is
that person. The one thing I think they certainly have
done is they underrated Barack Obama's talent as a minority
politician or as a politician period. But Corey Booker tried it,

(25:26):
Kamala Harris has tried it. There have been a bunch
of people who have tried to pick up the Barack
Obama mantle, and they're just not anywhere near as likable
or charismatic or in frankly, I think, intelligent as he was.
And I don't think Barack Obamas are easy to replace,
just like Ronald Reagan's are not easy to replace. It's
hard to find really talented politicians comparing Obama and Reagan. Hey,

(25:51):
we got calls coming in. In terms of the actual
appeal of the nation, I think there have been three, really,
three really talented politicians in the last forty years, Reagan, Clinton,
and Obama. Seriously, George W. Wood should win the vote,

(26:11):
but he was a supremely talented politician. Oh that's what
you know. I News was telling you in the nineties. No, no, no, no,
you have to he was a he would have won. Look,
here's a good example. There are three presidents in my
life that if they could have run for a third term,
they would have won. Reagan would have won in eighty eight.

(26:32):
Clinton would have won in two thousand. Obama would have
won in sixteen. Clinton's win in two thousand leading into
September eleventh, because it would have happened on his watch,
would have changed the entire reality of the Clinton presidency.
And also if he had to deal with the stock
market crash that came because the stock market boom from
the Internet was really what gave the Clinton economy the
whole Oh my gosh, it's amazing. But but but you,

(26:53):
but you and Bill good was people? Was he good
at kissing baby?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I mean, you know, was he good at doing the
things that he did? I'm just you know, there's nobody else.
You and I are have been alive basically for every
election since eighty There's only three presidents that could have
won a third term. I think since nineteen eighty those
are the three. I mean, I think, yeah, I think
Bill Clinton might have won a third term, but I
think that would have been that would have changed the

(27:19):
narrative in a lot of ways. But anyway, we you know,
a historical historical change up. We'll come back to this
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we talked to him last I believe at the RNC
and Milwaukee and person Kosh ptel with us. Now, I

(29:54):
know you talk with the Trump team and Trump himself
on a regular basis. As we sit here on the
eve of the debate. What advice would you give Trump
that you think is going to be supremely important when
it comes to what happens tomorrow night on ABC.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, Jan, it's always great to be with you, and
you know, it's an honor to be involved in President
Trump's campaign as a senior advisor. And my opinion, you know,
I don't speak for the president, but my opinion, the
best advice I can give him is just be yourself.
You are prepared because you have been practicing and implementing
these policies to safeguard or border, to take on the

(30:31):
CCP to knock out the Deep States, to shut down
the iotoes and stop the narco traffickers. It's not a
gamble on DJT. You did it in your first term,
so people can back bet on it versus what Kamala
Harrison has to do, which is actually address the nation.
And when she's on stage with Donald Trump, who's the
bestibator of our lifetime and probably any lifetime, we will
see her failures, her word style and her cackling, and

(30:53):
if he can explose just that, we will see Donald
Trump monumentally some Kamala Harris on the debate stage tomorrow
night while exposing her flank of foot flopping and having
zero policies to protect America.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Hey, Cash, I know that you were in the early
days there for the beginnings of the Russia collusion nonsense
and Trump term one, and you know you've seen it all. Really,
I mean, you've been around and in those fights. We
just had this little spasm of Russia Russia, what was
it about a week ago from the Democrats? I mean,

(31:33):
did you expect this? And more importantly, do you think
that they view this as not catching on quite the
same way? Or should we get ready for Oh my gosh,
Putin's he wants Trump to win between now an election day.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Well, look, you're right. Maybe nobody knows more about Rustigate
than me as a lead investigator who exposed the fact
that Democrats ilegally funded an intelligence operation with false information
to lie to a federal court, to illegallys savailab political talk,
and weaponized justice in law enforcement. That took me a
couple of years to get out, and it took me
a few more to make sure America's knew the truth
that the left was lying. Now, the fact that they

(32:09):
pivoted back to Russia, Russia, Russia shows me that they
are completely devoid of any substance policies to improve our
way of life, to reduce the prices that everyday Americans
are getting crushed under gas and groceries and everything else.
And they shows that Kamala Harris has not issued a
single policy that will actually improve American lives. But what's
important to note is the government gangsters that author Russia, Russia,

(32:32):
Russia from back in the day are now back in
charge of even greater positions of power, specifically Lisa Monaco
and John Carlin, my former boss at the Department of
Justice's National Security Division who launched Russia Gates. They are
now the number two and three at DOJ. It is
no coincidence that they are running this entire operation all
over again because they cannot rely on the substance that

(32:53):
Kamala Harris is putting out, so they're over rely on
disinformation and what's the easiest hit, Russia? Russia, Russia.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Gosh, do you think there's a panic setting in right now?
When you look at the polls? Even we talked about
to start the show, the public polling from the New
York Times has Trump up won? Harvard Harris has it dead.
Even Poles just came out showing Trump up in Georgia
North Carolina. If Trump wins Georgia North Carolina, it's almost
impossible for Kamala to put together a campaign. How much

(33:22):
do you think they're starting to panic here based on
the internal metrics and polling that they are seeing.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, those metrics are something that I'm not the expert on.
I go around the country and I meet with roomfuls
of people just like you guys do, and those are
my polls and who shows up there and what questions
we get and everywhere I go. I'm seeing waves of
people show up for politics that haven't been involved in
politics or that are independent and saying our way of
life under Donald Trump is so much better. So I
think you'll see a full scale panic actually come in

(33:51):
right after the debate tomorrow, because I believe President Trump,
wh I just was with last night, is going to
be himself an adjust and pigot and answer the actual
questions that Americans care about versus Kamalog just reading her
canned brief, and they're going to see her for the
fraud that she is. And to me, that is going
to be the ultimate poll that shows us how much

(34:13):
of a panic they're in. And if you need another one,
just turn on CNN or MSNBC right after, and if
they're digging Kamala out of her own grave, then you'll
know that the political job was accomplished.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Oh the best, the best watching that you can get
cash is when the Democrats have had a really bad night,
either at a debate or an election or whatever, and
you flip on MSNBC. I'm telling you it is. It
is the best TV you'll find. It's the best TV
you'll fight anywhere. The tears, oh, those delicious live tears.
But no, I think that they're They're obviously concerned, and

(34:45):
they should be based on their own numbers, in their
own polling. Kama is a remarkably weak candidate, a remarkably
weak vice president before that, I mean, this is none
of this is a surprise. None of this uh is
something that we couldn't see coming. In some ways, I
don't want to get ahead of ourselves because I know
they got a lot of there a lot of tricks
up the Democrats leaves a lot of things. We are
all aware of the Shenanigans. We don't need everyone to say,

(35:08):
what about the shenanigans? We know, we know, Okay, But
if Trump does win this thing, I know you've been
a warrior against the swamp and specifically the deep state
for a while now. People are seeing Elon Musk possibly
part of a commission to deal with government waste? Is
is that something that you think that that Trump is

(35:30):
going to follow through on? I mean, basically, how do
we actually tackle the deep state in the way that
Trump has been promising all along? If he wins, right.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Job one, get him elected, your audience, you go to
Trump forced forty seven dot com. We are doing basically
townhouse across the country for Surge at work. I'm heavily
involved in that, so everybody can be involved in this mission,
Trump Force forty seven dot com and hopefully we're successful
November fifth and after that, if President Trump wants to
install his regime against the deep State, you know you

(36:02):
can believe him and take him out his word that
he's got the people to do it. He's got the
bench to go to. He's been attacked singularly by this
deep state at every level, and he has folks like
Elon Muskin Company flocking to his side because they stand
for the Constitution. And I think the one thing that
these government gangsters all have in common is their hatred

(36:23):
of Donald Trump. And by exposing that hatred, which topples
the truth, Donald Trump has gained a monumental backing. And
the Americans are sick and tired of DOJ, FBI, DoD
and everybody else weaponizing justice disasters withdrawals of Afghanistan, two
tiers of justice if you vote one way versus the other.
And the leadership in DC is a revolving door of

(36:45):
government gangsters, just like I outline in my book, and
that truth and Reconciliation Commissioner, whatever you want to call it,
is one of the hallmarks of my book that I
recommend to the public and the president that we need
a twenty four to seven Declassification and Accountability Office, And
if Elon's going to head it, great, put it right
in the White House and make sure we let the
American people know the truth about the abuses of the

(37:07):
classification systems to bury government corruptions cash.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
What do you think the impact of RFK Junior Tulsea
Gabbard you mentioned Elon as well, has been in terms
of endorsing President Trump.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well, look at it. I mean, you have a Democrat
turned independent. You have RFK, the scion of the Kennedy
family Democratic dynasty, coming in and saying Donald Trump's better
for America than the anointed Democratic candidate of Kamala Harris.
That speaks volumes. I mean, just look at the facts.
When RFK was running, he couldn't get on a state ballot.
Now that RFK endorse Donald Trump, he can't get off

(37:40):
of state ballot. And Toolsey Gabbert's coming in talking about
the endless wars and the only person that can stop
it is Donald J. Trump. These people are very powerful
voices to a sector of the American public that has
been troddled over by the Democrats, the radicals and Kamala Harris.
So when you have a few million people swinging, which
I think RFK and company can do with Elon and

(38:02):
the Life, I think that's massive in the polls. And look,
this state, this election is going to be five states
and fifty thousand votes, that's all. It's going to be
in about twelve or seventeen counties. So we've got to
get the message out and we've got to get people
on the ground activated.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
How do you feel a cash because again, you've been
on the front lines of all things MAGA for years now,
you know we're trying to be both. Look, we take
it on board, we all get it. I just there's
a tremendous amount of anxiety out there about the other
side dirty tricks, and I mean election dirty tricks, not

(38:39):
just lying. We expect them to lie about everything. They're
lying about KAML every two seconds. But do you feel
like we've got better procedures that the campaign, it's lawyers,
it's staff are in a better position now to either
prevent or catch any shenanigans than the last time around.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
There's definitely going to be Shenanigans, There's definitely going to
be rig jobs. Remember it's not a Republican or Democratic thing.
Gina Haspell, as Trump's CIA director, authorized the fifty one
Intel letter in less than six hours a week before
the election to join forces with the Democrat to take
out Donald Trump in a lie. And I think the
Trump campaign is wealth positioned to take on anything that

(39:20):
these government gangsters throw at them. But above and beyond that,
what we have done over these last few years behind
Donald Trump's leadership is educate the American public on the truth.
Everything from Russia Russia Russia, to the insurrection disinformation campaign
to impeach on one and in peach from two. We're
all complete and total fraud manufactured by the deep state
and Washington, DC, and everyday Republicans that are represented by

(39:41):
the likes of RFK and Elon are saying, wait a second,
we were lied to. And I think that's the power
Trump's messages connecting to those people who were lied to,
and they were saying, you robbed me of my right
to vote based on the constitution of the truth, and
I'm not going to let it happen again, and I
think that's the power if we can culminate all those
forces behind our leader, Donald Trump, who is going to
drain the swamp and secure of the border.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Cash fantastic stuff. As always, we appreciate you giving us
the time and keep up the good work on the campaign.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Thanks, gentlemen, have a great day, no doubt.

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(41:59):
have you back on the show.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
How are you doing, Hey, guys, I've missed you. It's
great to be on.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, it's it's been a little bit. So we appreciate
you making the time for especially in advance of this debate.
Let's start with this, we'll get into some of you
or what do you think about the debate in a moment? Okay,
what do you think about the campaign so far? Like
how is Trump doing in twenty twenty four versus what
you can compare it to in twenty twenty although I
know that was a crazy year for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Well, I think the challenge is, I mean, you can't
really compare them, right, I mean, think of what had
happened in such a just in the past couple months alone.
I mean, we had an assassination attempt against Donald Trump,
which the media tried to sweep under the rug, and
obviously we're being lied to by the Secret Service and
the FBI about what exactly happened. And then you had
an entirely new Democrat ticket with Kamala Harris and then

(42:48):
her selection of Tim Wallas and Joe Biden stepping out
of the race via x even though somehow he's still
the President of the United States, which is confusing. So
I don't know if you can compare the two. I mean,
we've never really had a truncated you know, general election
like this before, So I don't think you can compare
the two. I think he's trying to do the best
he can on quicksand with sort of this changing environment.

(43:14):
And tomorrow night's debate is obviously very important because of
all that, Lisa.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Do you ever just get frustrated with women for being
idiots and how they're voting?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Oh, every day, every day, Buck, I mean, you know what,
It disturbs me, and it hurts my heart that so
many women in the country prioritize the ability to kill
an unborn child over being able to put food on
the table for their existing families, or being safe in
the streets, or not having terrorists crossed or southern borders.

(43:46):
But unfortunately, we've arrived at this point where Democrats have
made such a big issue out of reproductive freedom, when
it's not reproductive freedom, it's it's just the ability to
murder an unborn child, essentially what they're advocating for. So yeah, yea,
it makes me sad, and you know, I hope that
we can try to continue to change hearts and minds
as a country, but it's disturbing to me.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
So if you were now advising Trump and I don't
want to overstate this, Lisa, but you know this radio
show is kind of big, some people say huge, and
there are some Trump people who listen to the show,
so this might make its way to Trump, although you
probably could just call them on your phone later. But
what would you advise as key points for Trump to

(44:29):
focus on tomorrow? And I just want to remind her
release his work, not as you do political analysis on
Fox News. She's worked on campaigns in the past, stretching
back for many, many years. So what do you think.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Well, I will say this that Kamala Harris faces. She's
losing men by a bigger margin than winning women in
some states like Pennsylvania, Nevada, and North Carolina. So there's
a lot of focus on the female though, but not
her problems with men. I mean, women do tend to
turn out more than men, so that is an issue.
I'm not going to downplay that. But for him for
the debates, Mark, I mean, look, we know what her

(44:59):
strategy is going to be. We saw it against Mike Pence.
She's going to try to be inflammatory. She's going to
call him a fella, and she's going to call him
massage and as sexes all these different things, and so
he just can't give her that SoundBite and what he
needs to do. I mean, there was a CNN pool
recently that found the majority of Americans look back positively
on his agenda, that there is some Trump nostalgia with

(45:21):
the way his administration used to be. And so he
needs to remind voters why that is the facts that,
you know, real wages were up, the fact that we
weren't facing this kind of inflation, the southern border was
under control, that we had stability in peace throughout the world,
and not the instability and chaos that we see now.
So he needs to remind voters of what his administration
stood for what we can have again as a country.

(45:42):
And again she has said that her values haven't changed
and that CNN interview. Bernie Sanders went on TV on
Meet the Press this weekend and said that she's a progressive,
she's just trying to moderate herself to win a general election.
So Donald Trump needs to remind Americans what those policy
positions are. The fact that she is to the left
of Bernie Sanders. They should be in an commune together
in Vermont, not her in the White House, you know,

(46:03):
I mean this is a woman, as we know, decriminalizing
southern borders or the southern border Medicare for all. She
compared Ice to the KKK. She said she was the
last person in the room and the disastrous decision to
get out of Afghanistan. So in the manner in which
they did. So there's ample you know, there's ample opportunity
there for Donald Trump. But he just needs to you know,
stick to the case and not let her get under

(46:25):
his skin and just nail her to the cross and
all these policy positions.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
We're talking to Lisa Booth, who's alma mater the University
of Tennessee. Absolutely obliterated in C State over the weekend
in Charlotte, North Carolina. That was a big win. I'm
a big Tennessee fan as well, Lisa. So if Trump
wants to beat Kamala like Tennessee beat in C State,
sorry n C State fans out there listening. Economy, border

(46:53):
crime is huge. You mentioned abortion and how many women
are responding on that issue. I think the thing that
Trump needs to do, and I'm curious how you would
advise him if he were listening to respond to this,
is say, look, Republicans have a variety of perspectives on
how to respond to abortion. It's a state related issue.

(47:13):
What almost everybody voting for Republican agrees is second and
third trimester abortion is wrong and it is murder. Would
you advise that angle? And to say, like to try
to pivot and say what the it used to be safe, legal,
and rare was what Democrats said. Now party orthodoxy is
if you want to have an abortion in the ninth month,

(47:34):
you can. Americans overwhelmingly rejected what the Democrat orthodoxy is,
whereas there's lots of support for different Republican perspectives. Is
that the right answer or how should he handle it?
Because it is going to come.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Up well, and I think that's the right answer. I
mean he's picked it over to the states. Obviously, that
happened with the overturning of Rover Swede. And you know
also and to your point, I mean, the Democrats are
radical on this issue. They're busy, are actually outside of
the norm of Americans. I mean, even look at Tim
Walls and what he did as governor of Minnesota there.
I mean he removed protections for babies that were born

(48:09):
alive after botched abortions. I mean, it doesn't get sicker
than that. And so you know, I agree that he
should turn that around, and then also you know, make
the case again like he really needs to stick on.
As you mentioned, you've got the economy, you've got the border,
and you've got wars across the world. He is the
candidate that's going to be bring peace and stability of

(48:30):
the United States. He's the candidate that's going to be
in prosperity and more money in your wallet. He's the
candidate that's going to keep you safe for vent terris
from crossing the southern border. And also just the unfairness
with some of these Democrats and some of these cities
wanting to, you know, give all this money to ilegal immigrants,
put them up, give them, you know, certain subsidized housing
for them, while Americans are maxing out their credit cards

(48:50):
to put groceries on the table. So that's unfair for Americans.
And we're seeing that's why at least on the issue
of immigration. I mean, look how much it's changed since
when Donald Trump was president. You've got now you've got
a more majority of Americans that want mass deportations. I mean,
you would have never believed that or Donald Trump that's
not where Americans were sore. There are so many policy issues.

(49:13):
I just I hope he goes in tomorrow night and
release sticks to the issues and doesn't allow her. I mean,
we know she's gonna call him the fellon. You know,
she's going to call him sexes, all these different things,
and I just hope he doesn't allow himself to take
the bait. But look, he's debating three people. You know,
You've got two moderators that are extremely liberal that push
leftist propaganda, and then you've got Kamala Harris, so it's

(49:34):
you know, three against one.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
And let me also say this, because I think the
abortion answer is important. I think Trump can say I
believe in exceptions for life of mother rape incests, same
ones that Ronald Reagan believed in. I think it should
be left to the state, and I believe, unlike Kamala Harris,
there should be some limits to abortion. I would just
like it, and I would actually say this if I
were Trump. And I'm curious how you think this would

(49:58):
resonate Lisa, because again, I do think the gender gap,
what the data reflects is if Trump can get women
to come and support him a bit or Kamala can
get men to come and support her a bit that
may well determine the outcome of this race. So I
would actually say, if I were Trump and point it,
put it on the moderators too. Kamala Harris, do you

(50:18):
support any limit on abortion at all? Do you oppose
ninth month abortion? It's a simple question. I do. I
do oppose ninth month abortion. Kamala, Will you say that?
And I would actually like him to put her a
little bit on the defensive, because I don't think she
would say, yes, you're right, we shouldn't have ninth month abortions.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, but then you're also setting her up to take
a policy position that aligns with the rest of America.
I mean, I'm pretty sure i'd have to go back,
but you know, I'd be looking up at her past
statements on abortion and just trying to My challenge for
Donald Trump tomorrow night is we've seen someone with Kamala
Harris who has no morality, you know, no values you know,
believes in nothing you know, willing to change her Paul

(51:00):
positions to try to win. I just I would not
give her any wiggle wiggle room on anything. I would
just nail her to every policy position she has said
previously that is out of step with the rest of America.
We know it is. She's one of the most liberal
United States senator to the left of Bernie Sanders. I mean,
her policy positions are so outside the norm. That's why
she's having to moderate herself now. And the real Kamala

(51:20):
Harris is who she was when she was a United
States Senator and she didn't have to worry about running
in a general election where she had to moderate herself
because she was in liberal California. So that is who
she is. And so I just I don't know, person,
I see what you're saying, but I just if I'm
Donald Trump, I don't give her any room to wiggle
out of previously policy positions. I'm just bringing up her

(51:42):
record nailing it every single time, and then saying I'm
the guy. I'm the person that you had more money
in your pocket, the border was secure, you know, you
didn't have to worry about having to potentially send your
your son or daughter.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Off to war.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
And you know I'm the stability candidate, I'm the prosperity candidate,
I'm the security candidate. And so I just I don't
know I fear strategy, but if I'm him, I just
don't give her any room to wiggle out of her
past policy positions.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Do you think Tim Wallas has just turned into a
total non factor at this point, Lisa, because it feels like,
for a moment it was oh my gosh, Tim Wallas,
and I don't even I don't even think anyone talks
about it at all. Right now, well, you.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Guys, I was thinking about this. I'm like, like, if
she's wondering why she's doing so poorly with men, I mean,
picking a guy who wants to put tampons in the
boys bathroom, I mean, that'll do it right, Like I
think most men in the country believe that it is crazy,
and she also has she should be concerned about. I mean, look,
we've already discussed the fact that she's coming gunning for him.

(52:37):
She's going to try to do what she did Mike Pence,
which she did to Joe Biden where she basically called
him a rasis, and then sign up to be a VP.
She's going to be vicious. But for her, I would
be worried about coming across as too aggressive and unlikable
because we see it up until this point with you know,
the installation of her, you know, the Democrat, big donors
and elites installing her as the Democrat, and many people

(53:00):
didn't like her. I mean, she was up to been
one of the most least unpopular vice presidents in American history.
She flamed out in twenty twenty before Iowa and that's
where she put all her stock heading into to Iowa.
So this isn't someone who's likable, and so I think
that she should be concerned about going too far with

(53:22):
that and then really turning off one more men but
also women, you know, And so I think that's a
concern for her, and she runs the risk of that.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Lisa, did you see bucket? I mentioned this and we
need to have some fun with it when we come
back to close out the show. Did you see that
the men at NPR had their testosterone levels tested and
all of them tested off like on the bottom women
like well below, Where do you guys have a testosterone
of like a two hundred year old man. It's ridiculous,

(53:53):
I mean it's it's these are like forty year old
men and thirty something year old men. Their testosterone levels
were off the charts slow and I saw it. I
just kind of nodded. Do you think there are any
actually testosterone laden men, hardly in America at all, that
are voting for Kamala? And how perfect is that for NPR?

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Well, it just makes so much sense, right, and I
think what can even Dana Bash and CNN was basically
saying that.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
There was a low a low t DNC that they
were trying to appeal to beta males.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Basically exactly, and you know, and like in Tim Walla's
appeals to that, even though they previously told us put
them in, you know, a hunting hat and a plaid. Sure,
I don't know, it's confusing, but you know what I
would love to do. I would love for them to
do some sort of study and have left this men
testosterone and test it compared to Republican men, and I

(54:45):
bet i'd be like, astronomically.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
No, I think if you ran by the way, I'm
not even kidding, if you ran a serious.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Study, this is guys, like, wait, what do we expect?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
You know, Lisa, there is absolutely I mean I would
put a bet down on this right now. If they
did a a real statistically sound study of this. There
is one hundred percent a correlation, not a causation, but
a correlation between for men being conservative and having a
higher than average level of testosterone. Here's the other question

(55:15):
I would like to see, Lisa. I'd be curious, Lisa, Well,
I was going to say, wait, think about this women.
I bet once if you tested women, I bet they
would like the men who have high testosterone, even when
they're voting for Comma. In other words, I don't even
think these women who claim to be Democrats like the
Democrat men around them. I'm curious what you would say

(55:36):
about that too.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Okay, So I wish I could remember, like who conducted
the interview, but there it was on Instagram and this
guy was going around interviewing women at the DNC at
the Democrat National Convention, and he was like asking them
who you would rather date, and they're like, oh, I
hate to say it, but probably a conservative man, because well,

(55:58):
first of all, I think men have just go on
more soft in the country at large. But you know,
then you look at the left and you know they're
celebrating men in dresses, they're toxic masculinity, all these different things,
and you know, and so yeah, so I think that
they would definitely would rather date a Republican man than

(56:20):
a leftist man. And I wish I could remember who
did the interview because it was so funny and the
woman like hated herself after it. She was like, oh,
I kept to admit it.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
You know, well, I think this is a great topic
for the next is a great topic for the next
episode of The Truth with Lisa Booth, a fantastic podcast
on the Clay and Buck Network hosted by Lisa Booth. Lisa,
great to have you. We'll talk to you.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Thanks, guys. Okay, have a great day.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
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