Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 11 2024

Debate debrief. Kamala's debate lies. Ryan Girdusky, our data guy. Should Trump debate again?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. It is post debate
day and look we're going to get into it the
details best exchanges policy and also take a look at
the numbers the needle did it move? The aftermath of

(00:24):
the debate last night, Clan, I will share our top
line thoughts on this with all of you. Also want
to get a lot of your reaction to eight hundred
eight two eight A two. Definitely give us a call
and we'll want to hear from you and you can
tell us how how you think that it went. I
think based on Twitter or ex Clay and I on

(00:47):
the on the big stuff see this one pretty much
the same way. And we can get into this right away. Yes,
I know that if any of you don't hear right away,
you're gonna yell at me. So I don't want you
to yell at me. The moderators were awful, even in
comparison to me thinking that it would be a rig job,

(01:10):
that it would be an ambush. It was an ABC
News ambush of Donald Trump on behalf of Kamala Harris.
We will go into why that is and the most
obvious point is the constant fact checking of Trump, sometimes
incorrectly and other times just fact checking on an opinion

(01:30):
not a fact, which would also be incorrect. But I
mean sometimes they even had the facts wrong. Never once
did Theay fact check Commel. The most egregious instance of
this was when she once again tried it out to
Charlottesville good people on both sides lie. That is completely
taken out of context. Donald Trump did not say that

(01:51):
there were good neo Nazis. This is a lie. Even
Snopes has admitted this is a lie. This is wrong.
You know, this would be like taking a set from
the beginning of a sentence and cutting out the end
of it and pretending like that is the intent of
what a person said. And and so that was egregious.
It was gross, Clay. I'll just I'll say it. I mean,

(02:12):
I thought that Trump, given that he had to fight
through a three on one, did reasonably well for Trump.
It was not a strong night for Trump. I did
not I look, everyone's una tell their opinion on this one.
I thought he would bring it a little more. I
know it's unfair, but this is the deal that they

(02:33):
signed up for. I would also put this out there, Republicans,
stop doing this to yourselves. Stop stepping on a rake.
Stop making this mistake of oh I'm gonna go to
the the ABC or CBS or NBC, they'll do a
fair debate. Let's stop it, okay, especially when it matters

(02:53):
they turn this on and away that it blows up
in our faces. And unfortunately Kamala, as much as her
record is awful and she's a phony and a fake,
she showed up very prepared and I think her remarks
were all canned. I think they were rehearsed speeches effectively.
But Clay, to me, it's kind of I would say

(03:15):
a draw, which I know everyone says that's what you
say when your person loses. But it was unfair. It
was rigged. So maybe you give Trump the edge based
on that. But it wasn't the night that we needed
to get a knockout of the Kamala campaign, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Trump had multiple opportunities to absolutely obliterate Kamala Harris, to
knock her out, and he consistently swung and missed and
played into her traps. I thought it was a poor
performance by him. And look, some people are gonna say, oh,
well you I don't sugarcoat things, right.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I come from the world of sports.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
When your team performs at its less than optimal level,
you don't come on and say, hey, they were great.
I thought, look, the rig job was in effect. I
thought it was disgraceful how Mure and Lindsay Davis behaved
the fact checking in quotation marks. To me, the debate
really pivoted when Lindsey Davis stepped in on the abortion

(04:15):
issue and decided to weigh in. It was like she
was giving a wife raft to Kamala, who I thought
was really struggling at that point.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
But let me go to the very start of the debate.
To me, this is.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
When Trump could have completely taken command and dominated her.
The very first question was about to Kamala Harris, essentially,
are people better off now than they were before you
came into office. The answer is incontrovertibly no. Every single
person out there, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic is worse off

(04:48):
because Biden and Kamala have failed. And she started off
because I wrote it down. I've got my notepad here,
buck of all the things that I jotted down as
I watched this from my home. After she got asked
if there are people better off than they were four
years ago? Kamala Harris started with a canned answer. Her
first answer was I was raised as a middle class kid.
She completely avoided the answer of the question that then

(05:12):
went to Trump. She didn't even make an argument that
people were better off four years ago now than they
were four years ago.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Trump.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
She whiffed on an epic level. She looked nervous, she
was jumping around. She whiffed, and all Trump had to
say was point out in his response she didn't answer
the question because she can't. Every person, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, gay,
straight male female is worse off today because Biden and

(05:42):
Kamala have failed. I want all of you to note
that she didn't answer the question. He had a chance
to knock her down on the very first question, and
he whiffed. And then the other thing I'll point two
buck is he played into her attacks. They had a
question on immigration. She brought up how many people go

(06:03):
to his rallies and said they were boring, And instead
of hitting her on now saying she wants to build
a wall and letting tens of millions of illegals into
this country, Trump argued with her. He went down the
rabbit hole about how many people go to his rallies
and about how they have a good time, and she
can't even get as many people as her rallies. She

(06:24):
baited them, and Trump took the bait all night long
on those. She left her chin exposed in a boxing analogy,
and he never delivered multiple knockout punches. If you want
to take it away from boxing, buck, I understand the
refereeing was rigged. It was, but the people who talk
about refereeing being rigged do it because they lost. If

(06:46):
you have crappy refs and you still win, you might say, hey,
the refs were crappy, but you still won. I hope
that it doesn't have a major lasting impact. Trump had
a chance to end the race tonight. She was not good.
He didn't take it advantage of it. To me, it
was an incredibly frustrating debate to watch.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
You know, we talk about beat the cheat in the
context of getting enough votes to win even with whatever
shenaniganst Democrats are planning. If you're going into an ABC
News debate as a Republican this close to election day,
in particular, you've got to be prepared to beat the cheat.
When it comes to the refs or the moderators in

(07:24):
this case. You know, I've gone in before, I've gone
done CNN, and I've been on le Bill Marshaw and
I've I've done shows with leftists. You know, the game
is the game, right, I mean, you can't show up
and be like, oh, but it's so unfair. I mean,
if you're agreeing to be there, you've got to do
the best with what you've got. I would say, yeah,
I mean it wasn't. It wasn't strong from Trump in

(07:47):
a bunch of places where it needed to be. And
that was frustrating as somebody watching and who is very
invested in Trump winning obviously for the for the benefit
of the call of the whole country. But Clay, if
you remember, and I think it was the twenty twelve
primary or twenty eleven primary. In the twenty twelve election,
I remember Nute Gingrich had one moment it was it was

(08:08):
a primary, it wasn't even a general election. Yes, where
he went after I wonder who the I wonder which
anchor it was. Was it Chris Wallace? He went after
one of the questioners in a way that got him
his moment, right, that was the one nude, gingrich moment
of that cycle. I bring it up because I don't

(08:28):
understand why Trump didn't say attack the moderator, go right
at the moderators, And I tweeted this during the debate.
Others were tweeting this TOOCU. I think it was so obvious.
At some point, you've got to say, this is just
you guys are being unfair. This is outrageous. And then
that that resets for a lot of the audience, Oh
oh no, he knows, Okay, we understand what's going on here,

(08:50):
And it reframes a lot of the conversation that comes afterwards,
because then everyone's more aware of it and everyone sees
that Trump isn't taking it lying down. You know, there
were a few things. I mean the fact that it
never was really there was no looking into the camera
and saying she has been the vice president for four years.

(09:12):
Biden's administration is a disaster. You can afford half the house.
You could when she and Biden came into office, she
lied about Biden being of sound mind for years up
until the very very end. She was a part of
that lie. She is changing all of her policy positions
that are disadvantageous for her now, as though it all

(09:35):
meant nothing, just from a few years ago. She's a phony,
she's a fraud, and she would be a terrible president.
I mean, yeah, people can point to me to say, well,
he said Trump said this, or Trump said that. You know.
I mean, you know, man, nobody cares about the crowd size.
I don't know what else this. Nobody else cares. I mean,
that's what he cares about. That the period everybody was

(09:57):
seeing at home saying he's doing she's doing that to
paid him. We all saw it. It was so obvious
and sure enough. So it's frustrating. Look on the good news.
By the way, we're not gonna lie. It's not like
whining today Trump. I don't think this moves the polls
at all. I still think Trump is going to win.
I have not moved off of that. But I think
he could have given himself a little more momentum and

(10:19):
a little bit of an insurance policy last night. And
I don't think he did it.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
He could have ended it.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
She is a uniquely awful candidate, and he led her
off the hook time after time.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
It reminds me of my fishing.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I went fly fishing recently, and I got a bunch
of bites, and every time I tried to get the
big fish in, they got off.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
He had so many opportunities to reel her in and exposure.
Now did the moderators help. I thought he had a
good moment in the abortion thing when he went directly
to Kamala and said, do you think there should be
abortions in the seventh, eighth, and ninth month? And then
they cut it off. There was an element of officiating
where when Trump is felt like had her a bit

(11:01):
cornered and would hit her with a punch, that suddenly
the moderator swept in and tried to protect her. Which
is why I think you're right, Buck. I think at
some point Trump should have turned to Mrror and to
Lindsey Davis, and I think he should have absolutely ripped
them to shreds now. I bet that this is where
you get trained. I bet they've said to him to

(11:22):
a large extent, don't get controlled by the moderators. But
I think this was such a blatant rig job, and
when they did it correct the very fine people, the
blood bath, the Charlottesville hoax. I don't think the moderator
should be in the business of trying to do fact checks, because,
as you mentioned, a lot of times, the fact checks
are wrong. That is, they get the actual facts wrong,

(11:43):
and they just disrupt the flow of the actual debate.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Let people argue it out. I thought CNN did that well.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I thought that ABC was in on the rig job
with Kamala because she's from losing and they know that
desperately they need to elevate her.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You also can tell how it's going based on are
the most rapidly partisan leftists online all praising what a
great job the moderators are doing right away? And that happened, right,
I mean you had, like, yes, like Chris Hayes from MSNBC.
I mean, you know, think of somebody who is an
outright comi and has absolutely no interest whatsoever in a

(12:22):
fair debate, and who was criticizing the CNN debate. I'm
sure all the monitors were, but I mean that was
really Biden has to mention. Everyone saw it. It was absurd,
But the moderators were in the tank. These are newsreaders too,
I would just point out, I mean, these are people
whose job is really to look a certain way and
read words off a prompter. They are not politically astute,

(12:45):
they are not particularly educated. Neither one of them is
somebody who would be impressive if you were to have
a conversation. I can assure you having worked at CBS
even News with Dan Rather as an intern when I
was eighteen and hearing this guy talk and be like, oh,
so he's kind of an idiot. What a shock making
seven million dollars a year at the time to read
off a prompters. So the fact that they would or

(13:06):
the idea that they would fact check Clay in real time,
you know, they're not in a position.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And here's the other thing I think I haven't heard
anybody else point this out. My wife was fired up
about it. They were ready for the fact checks, so
they were prepared to go after Trump because they were
instantaneous in the fact checks.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
They the questions wanting to do this. Yes, I mean
the framing of the questions was very favorable for Kamala
and very you know, it's not hard to do. You'd
be like, all right, tell us your economic plan, tell
us your economic plan. There are where it is in
fact possible to give questions that are neutral and topic based.
The fact I mean, the fact that they asked Trump

(13:47):
about Kamala's black identity or however there was that was
that is just a shot in the ribs at Trump
on the stage. They're correct, the fact they didn't ask
about the assess nation attempt on Donald Trump. You go
through these things, you say, it couldn't be any.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
That's about January, not that.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yes, the framing about Ukraine, Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. Do
all the little babies out there need to hear this.
Ukraine cannot beat Russia in a drawn out war. So
Trump want to negotiate an end to the conflict so
people stop dying.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
And if.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
You say that you're rooting for one side or the
other to win, it actually makes it far more difficult
to get a negotiated settlement, which is I mean, it
was a childlike level of debate preparation that was designed
to try to make Kamala Harris look good.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
My problem is Trump had a lot of layups.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
He had a lot of easy shots, and he missed
a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't disagree. I mean
I was very frustrated at home, but hey, good news. Everybody,
don't go anywhere gonna win. It's gonna be fine. Don't
worry about it. Call us to eight hundred two two
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If Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign
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(16:46):
day one, according to himself, and what did the president
then at the time say, there will fine people on
each side. On that day, one hundred and forty law
enforcement officers were injured and some died. Donald Trump, the candidate,
has said in this election, there will be a bloodbath
if this and the outcome of this election is not

(17:07):
to his liking.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
So many lies and no fact checks from the moderators
last night. The bloodbath line, for example, that she quotes
is in reference to how I think the car industry
would do under the you.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Know this, we talked about it back then, Buck, The
bloodbath is used all the time in the context of
business like, it's not even an abnormal phrase.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
And the people on the fine people on both sides,
So that's Biden really has been carrying that lie further
than absolutely anyone else. That's always been Biden's thing, you know.
And then that's why he had to He had to
run because of the fine people on both sides line.
And it's a figment of his imagination that Trump actually
intended to say, they're a good people any you know,

(17:55):
you go down all this. It was a lot of
a lot of nonsense, a lot of garbage, really, no
new attacks, Clay. Which was one of my frustrations was
that Trump has heard all this stuff before and.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Should have been ready.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
People have said to me, and I get that they've
been saying, you know, oh, but you know, maybe she
got the questions in advance. I'm sitting here, I'm like, guys,
we all know what the topics are going to be,
you know, that there was no surprise.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
You're not gonna suddenly come out with a crazy question
like she was better prepared.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
She was better prepared. And it's also, you know, it's
not like they came at Trump with, uh, you know,
who is the current you know, president of of of Georgia,
Twana or Thailand or something, you know what I mean,
Like it's you know, there weren't there weren't. It wasn't
a trivia contest. What about the economy? What about the border?
What this is the stuff you're talking now. The framing
of it was all to give openings for Kamala to

(18:47):
go into a cant speech. And I think that she
was giving prepared speeches. But yes, it's debate prep. That's
not you know, it's not like that's illegal. You're allowed
to do that. And and I think that with with Trump, Look,
I'm I I speak Trump is I think at some
level I think I I understand the guy pretty well.
And the rambling got to a point where I had

(19:08):
a hard time kind of following where he was going
and stuff, and so I'm and I was watching very intently.
So look, it wasn't a good night for him, But
it's okay. I think if we see the polls, you'll
see very little to no movement, which is why maybe
you know, I think Clay said that he thought that
Kamala got You'd say Kama got the best of him
last night as a debate, right. I think that's probably true,

(19:29):
But I think it's a polling draw, or rather a
numbers draw. So you know, maybe you give you give
Trump a little bit of an out with a three
on one you taught you told me Clay that the
biggest TV markets for last night. I thought this, which
was interesting. You know, we were in radio, we got
to think about market size on a regular basis. What
were the biggest TV markets?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, so my friend Mike Mulvahill, who is a Fox
Sports data and analytics guru, ratings like shares all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm always fascinated by the data.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
These are the top ten markets that we're watching on
television last night. And by the way, it seems like
the audience is going to be bigger than the audience
was for the debate with Joe Biden, but not necessarily
orders of magnitude larger, so somewhat similar ish in the audience.
But this was what stood out to me top ten markets.

(20:22):
The top two Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania. Buck Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania. Sorry,
Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, the two biggest cities in
the state of Pennsylvania. Whoever wins Pennsylvania is winning this race.
In my opinion, if you have to go to one
state and say give me one state outcome, you tell
me who's winning Pennsylvania, I'll tell you who the next

(20:44):
president is going to be. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, followed by
West Palm, which is always massively high in the ratings.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Shout out West Palm. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Maybe a lot of retirees, people are very plugged in.
It always rates highly on political relate. Florida was the
top of the rad high five West Palm. Minneapolis. By
the way, thanks to our listeners in Minneapolis saw the
ratings data the other day. We've been skyrocketing there. Milwaukee. Fuck,
we have a sixteen share right now in Milwaukee. We

(21:17):
just got the ratings data the other day for people
out there, like Milwaukee loves this show like they love cheese.
In the state of Wisconsin. And by the way, I'm
going to be in Madison this weekend. I look forward
to seeing a lot of you, Badger and tied faithful.
I'm going to be at the Wisconsin Alabama game up
in up in Madison, Milwaukee, Detroit. Also, we're doing really

(21:40):
well in Detroit. Appreciate our new affiliate there. New York
City up forty percent in the last year. Just FYI
shout out New York City for this show. Kansas City,
Saint Louis, and Providence. Okay, that was the top ten
to me. What stands out to me is Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit.
Those four cities are wheelhouse gonna decide the election cities,

(22:06):
and people were really tuned in there. I would think
Buck partly this is advertising. You can't escape the fact
that there is an election if you live in a
swing state city. Right now, I've been down to Atlanta
quite a bit. Every time I turn on the television
in Atlanta, it is undeniable that there is a major
election going on. Harris Trump ads. Some people out there say,

(22:29):
you're not seeing a lot of ads. I think if
you live in one of these seven battleground states, guess what.
You cannot escape the money that they are pouring into
your location. But anyway, So I thought that was super interesting.
People are paying attention in the battlegrounds.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I certainly hope that the Trump campaign is doing effective
messaging in those states about who Kamala is and really
who Kamala isn't. Yeah, because there's a lot of rewriting
of her history in terms of the policies and the
things that she has support in the past. You know,
they gave her opportunities to try to clean that up.

(23:05):
The moderators did last night and exactly the thing that
we've been talking about, which is they were completely in
the tank for it was very, very obvious. ABC News
should just be blacklisted by any Republican going.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Forward for debate.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Iory they have to say, no, look, we are fair
about this. I certainly believe we are. CNN did a
good job, and we said they did a good job.
And I know that Biden. Now people say, well, that's
because they wanted Biden to be out. Yeah, but I mean,
they can't make Biden have dementia. Like all they did
was run a fair debate and that was enough for

(23:38):
Biden itself, you know, to reveal it right to try
to cover for a guy with dementia in that situation, Like,
I don't know what CNN really could have done there,
But the point is the questions were fair. They didn't
interrupt one side and not the other, they didn't fact
check one side and not the other. They let the
two people on the stage speak, and the question weren't, Hey,

(24:01):
Donald Trump, you're like a flandering scumbag, Like what's it
like to be that way? I mean, you know, last
night was the worst of everything from from the moderator
side of things. So I do think that going forward
they should just say, you know, if CNN is willing
to run a fair debate, maybe you do see Ann again,
you know, under the same kind of auspices in the past.
But ABC News was a total catastrophe. I really, people,

(24:23):
I might have missed this again. Trump was a little,
a little meandery. He also didn't seem like he was
having fun. One of the things about Trump that is
so infectious, that is just so powerful politically, Clay is
he's having a good time with it. He loves the country,
he loves the people, and he's out there and he's

(24:43):
doing his thing, and he's he's indefatigable and he's unflappable.
And he's having fun, and last night he looked a
little bit like, you know, somebody didn't have enough milk
for his cheerios or something like. It wasn't the Trump
that we're used to now. I think part of the
that was Kamala was you know, irking him, purposely going

(25:03):
at him on some things. But you know, he didn't
smile that much. I mean, it just wasn't the true
It wasn't the best of Trump. Even it's not like
not like I'm saying, why isn't he all of a
sudden the second coming of Cicero. I mean, it wasn't
the best of Trump, and that I think is part
of the frustration. But again, I don't know. I mean,
I think a debate that's not a disaster, it doesn't

(25:23):
really matter to people very much. Barack Obama twenty and
twelve first debate was horrible, horrible even his own side
there there was almost like anti Obama coup to push
him out. I mean, didn't quite get that bad, but
they were freaking out about how badly he did, and
he crushed Mitt Romney. I think to your point on
the moderator, I said this yesterday, I've been saying it

(25:47):
for a long time. If you leave a debate talking
about the moderators, they failed. Now for their purposes, they
wanted to rig things for Kamala, but Jake Tapper and
Dana bash I had to go back and look up
who exactly were the moderators for CNN.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
They provided a forum for the candidates to express their
differences and debate each other. You should be in the
business of getting out of the way. I think for
many people out there, the reaction today is Trump walked
into a ambush, and he should have been prepared for
the ambush, and he didn't acquit himself as well as

(26:24):
he could have given those scenarios. To me, the biggest
takeaway is going to be how long.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Does this story linger.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
The thing about Biden's performance on June twenty seventh wasn't
just that he was a disaster on June twenty seventh.
It's that the media put him in the spin cycle,
and they didn't allow him to get out until he
had to drop out on July twenty.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
First.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
They trained all of their attention on it. They didn't
allow it to alter. My suspicion, and it's just a suspicion,
is they're going to try to do it with this debate.
They're going to try to make it a multi day,
multi week story to try to drive it in the
same way Buck that they basically eliminated the assassination attempt

(27:12):
of Donald Trump. I mean, it really is a great
study for some of you out there, of your kids.
Jan six. They have spent four years talking about. They
won't allow it to escape the news cycles, such that
we got a direct Jan six question in yesterday. They
didn't ask about the assassination attempt on Trump, which happened

(27:34):
on July thirteenth, because they are trying to memory hold
it and pretend it never existed. I wish Trump when
he got his rallies made fun of again, who the
fuck that gotta be careful? Who cares how many people
go to the rallies?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Trump does? This goes back to my issue.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Unfortunately Trump does. That's the problem, right.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
This goes back to my thing.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
If I ever got inaugurated president of the United States
and four people showed up and the crowd wasn't very big,
I'd be like that kind of stings. I guess it's
cold in DC, but I'm the frigging president. It doesn't
matter how many people show up to wait, make me
raise my right hand. I wish Trump had seen that
attack coming and instead, which he could and should have,

(28:16):
and instead of going down the rabbit hole of my
rallies are great people, if he had said, I'm glad
you brought up the rallies, Kamala. We lost a brave
American patriot who came to Butler, Pennsylvania to watch me.
I think about him every single day, and that's what
I'm fighting for. That's why right after they tried to
kill me and they hit me with a bullet, I
got up and said, fight, fight, fight, because I'm in

(28:38):
this to win this, to fight on behalf of innocent
people that are getting taken advantage of in this country
every single day the pit. And that's me just reacting
like we said this yesterday, Buck, and I'll say it again.
I would pay millions of dollars to have had a
freaky Friday opportunity where you or I could be inside
of Donald Trump's body to answer every question and to

(29:00):
get to debate against Kamala, because I think we would
have knocked her out. I think if you or I
had been on that stage, we would have knocked her out,
not because we're excellent debaters, but because Kamala is such
a uniquely far left wing, lying, awful candidate that her
chin was exposed the whole night, and Trump got very
limited contact on what should have been one knockout punch

(29:22):
after another, And it started with that first question. He
could have put her in the corner standing eight count style.
When she couldn't answer the question about whether things are
better now than four years ago, he led her off
the hook one time after another.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I think that's what made it so frustrating to me
to watch.

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Speaker 1 (30:45):
Our friend, Ryan Gridusky joins us. He is the author
of the National's populist newsletter on Substack, also founder of
the seventeen seventy six Project Pack. Ryan, good to have
you as always.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Let's take a look first at the numbers as you
see them today, the day after the debate. What are
the debate numbers and what are the poll numbers looking like?
As much as we can dive into that data.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
So in the debate numbers, we'll start with that, the
CNN insta pole results had Kamala winning the debate with
sixty three percent and Trump having thirty seven percent. Thirty
seven percent of viewers said Trump won sixty three percent.
Can I say Kamala one? This is fairly in line
with almost every single debate Trump has ever had CNN

(31:35):
instapoles that chem I mean, which are not you know
signs because it's right afterwards only among viewers, Trump will
got twenty seven percent versus Hillary's sixty two percent in
twenty sixteen, and in twenty twenty the first debate with Biden,
he got twenty eight percent to Biden's sixty percent. Trump
is not a very good debater, never really has been.

(31:57):
With the sole exception of the Life Last debate with
Joe Biden, Trump has never won a single debate in
a CNN instapole. Going into how he's performing election wise,
according to all the major poll aggregate websites. In the
national polls, Trump is either behind from one point to

(32:19):
three points, and that's according to pol agragil gets including
Nate Silver, including five thirty eight, the Economist Race to
the White House Voter Hub jaje k forecast. They all
have Kamala with a lead, but it's a slight lead.
It's a lead between one and three points. As I said,
if there is a p in Comma's favor, the same

(32:40):
way there was a polling error in Joe Biden's favor
in twenty twenty and in Hillary's favor in twenty sixteen,
although Hillaries was in the margin of error that would
put Kamala at about a point ahead of Trump nationally,
which is what you're looking at the last three major
polls that came out all within the span of last

(33:03):
seventy two hours or last week. Rather the New York
Times Sienna Pole which had Trump up one point, the
Marquete Pole, which had Horsed up by one point. I
was sorry that was the Maris pole that had a
Comma up one point. The uh and then the Pew
Research poll which had at a dead tie are all
telling about the same story, which is a close national race.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Ryan, Isn't this race just gonna come down to who
wins Pennsylvania? If you had to say, I want to
know one state and I told you the exact results
for Pennsylvania, couldn't you tell almost entirely based on how
Pennsylvania votes. What's going to happen in the national race.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
So I wrote this in the National Populis Substack, my
Nationalpis newsletter on substack. There are three states that will
decide this election. Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Those are
the three. If it guarantee, whatever happens in those three states,
there is no way for the winner of those three
states to lose nationally. So yeah, Pennsylvania is one of

(34:04):
the three, and it is the largest electoral getter of
the three at most most amount of Electoral College votes
of the three. But those are the three that decide.
They're all on these coasts.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
And you would sorry, sorry to cut you off, but
Trump would be in the lead in Georgia and North
Carolina based on general consensus, gambling markets, all those things,
and Pennsylvania basically is a straight toss up.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
In most of the ones that factor in things like
polling errors. North Carolina and Georgia are within Trump or
Trump a very small lead, and have Harris has a
very small lead in Pennsylvania. They average out that North
Carolina and Georgia have about a lead of about half
a point for Trump and lead for Harris by one

(34:50):
point in Pennsylvania. But I will I will sit there
and say North Carolina and Pennsylvania polsters usually oversample Democrats
these polls Georgia, they usually oversample Republicans. Georgia, like many
other states, including Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin, do not register voters
by party. They just register to vote, and they vote

(35:12):
in the primaries in which they want to vote. In
Pennsylvania and North Carolina registered voters by party, it's a
lot easier than they aren't identified voters based upon you know,
if they're actually a Democrat or actually a Republican in
those states. But Georgia typically the polls usually overly favor Republicans,
and in North Carolina and Pennsylvania they overly favor Democrats.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
So Ryan, as far as you can tell and as
far as the numbers are are speaking to this are
we essentially guaranteed a very tight election in terms of
just the vote totals in the states that matter. When
all said and don I mean, is there any way
that you could see this turning into some kind of

(35:55):
a route I mean.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
Could there?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (35:59):
Nate silver as this as a rapit they have Trump
winning every single swing state. Most other predictors say it
will split. The Sun Belt will go for Trump, the
Roughs Belt will go for Kamala. I do not believe that, though.
I think that there is a massive polling era, as
I've written about this over and over again, where they
are overpolling old liberal voters who have a heavy response bias.

(36:20):
Their answering polls are too high of a number. In
the Survey USA and Quinnepiac poll, I think Survey USA
had Trump up by five among North Carolina seniors and
Quinnepiac had I think Comma up eight or nine among
North Carolina seniors. That's a demographic that is heavily Republican.
Trump won it by twenty points last time, and I
think by about nineteen points the time before. It's a heavy, heavy,

(36:43):
heavy Republican demographic. There's no way on this planet that
it's going to even resemble close to that. Poles and
why I say seniors over like African Americans or Hispanics,
which are a very small sample size in the sub sect,
Seniors are about third thirty percent of time twenty five percent,
so it's a very large sample size. It is a

(37:03):
very small margin of error. So when you're talking about
a twenty five thirty point twenty point difference between elections
and polls. With subsets of cross tabs, you're looking at
a real response bias, and this was true of the
response bias in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen. The
illusion of the silent Trump voter often comes from the

(37:24):
fact that seniors, old liberal seniors are oversampled in these polls.
They want polsters to know their opinion. Old liberals love
to tell you their opinions. At this point, they're calling
polsters and like, hey, do you want to hear.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
My opinion on this election?

Speaker 6 (37:39):
That is what we're seeing over and over and over again.
I think that's where you're going to sit there and
see Trump gain a point nationally is in the senior vote.
And that's where states like Pennsylvania, North Carolina could very
well easily decided. And none of these holes have the debate.
You know in if factored in, Kamala very well likely
may see a bump because Trump's very poor performance in

(38:02):
the debate last night, But that will who knows how
long that will last. For it they typically do not
last all the way to election day, So a lot
of people have lost their first debates went on to
win their election. Barack Obama, Donald Trump, George W. Bush
lost his first debate pretty badly, and they all won

(38:22):
their election. So it doesn't mean, you know, it's definite
for that it will definitely decide the election.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
The answer may be yes, but our buck and eye
crazy for looking in the Midwest and saying just on
our belief I think he and I are aligned on this.
Old white people in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan in particular
are not going to support Kamala as much as they

(38:51):
supported Biden. The Scranton Joe appeal. While we may think
it was bs based on the way he governed, did
persuade some old white moderate voters in those big ten states.
That's how he won in twenty twenty, there's no again,
I think there's no way that Kamala gets that same
level of support. So this part of this is is

(39:13):
there a black or Hispanic vote that she's gaining or
could that be dispositive for you in the Midwest.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
So there's two groups that will change it for Kamala.
One is gen Z because there are millions of new
voters that were not registered to vote four years ago
that will be tilting heavily towards Kamala. That was a
huge fact in the twenty twenty two election, and abortion
is a major issue for them. The second is that
there have been three point three million new naturalized citizens

(39:44):
legal immigrants who vote two and a half or three
to one Democrat since the twenty twenty election. President Biden
ramped up the speed in which people became citizens for
a reason they vote heavily Democrat during the last year
of the last few years of Obama's presidency, where he

(40:04):
was pushing for refugee resettlements, like the same way that
Biden where he's pushing a refugee resettlement is oftentimes in
swing states. So that's why you see huge clusters of
migrant voters going to swing state places where you're like,
this isn't weird. It's not like there's a huge Haitian
population in Springfield, Ohio. Now they're being purposely put into

(40:25):
swing states, and three point three million new people who
could vote, who will overwhelmingly be voting Democrat, as well
as the millions of new Gen Z voters will definitely
play a huge factor in it. The thing that they
need to sit there and to change that is they
need to increase voter turnout among non college educated whites.
Non college educated whites have the and I've said this

(40:47):
on your show before, have the worst voter participation among
any demographic except for recent immigrants. They do not vote
in high numbers. If they voted as often as whites
with a college degree, did it, I mean Oregon would
be a red state. It wouldn't even be a close election.
Virginia would be a red state. It's just a matter

(41:08):
of turnout. Trump is going to improve performance among Hispanics
and among Asians and among blacks. But this election is
boiled down to the white vote. Do whites without a
college degree turn up? Do they show up for Trump?
And do they feel like Kamala does not have their
best interests?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
What do you think is the most important focus the
Trump campaign can have between now an election day so
that we don't have a super sad day coming up
in November where we have to have Ryan on have
a big cry session.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
You know, I think that Kamala Harris, at the age
of sixty, had a major life event where she changed
all of her beliefs overnight. Trump could have cornered her
on all those things. And I'm not talking about just fracking,
which was the issue they brought up over and over again.
She was radical on things like reparations, which is an

(41:58):
enormously unpopular idea. Kamala Harris supported a multi trillion dollar
reparation plan for the descendants of slaves. This is something
that's overwhelming and not only opposed by white voters, but
it's opposed by Asians and Hispanic voters who feel like
they were never part of the Civil War or anything
that followed it. I would bring up that. I would

(42:19):
bring up the fact that she was very radical left
on a number of issues, from taxes to the Green
New Deal to gun confiscation. She had a major life
change in one thousand days where she changed all of
her fundamental beliefs. She went from being a Bernie Sanders
Democrat to being, you know, a pro choice George W.

(42:42):
Bush Republican in one thousand days, when she is close
to being a senior citizen. Life transformations don't usually happen
that free, at at that age, that quickly, but for
some reason, she did. And I think cornering her on
who she actually is, who is the real Kamala Harris,
is the thing because the beliefs that she had in

(43:02):
twenty nineteen were so unpopular not even Democrats would vote
for her. And that's what you need to because that's
and that's why she's running basically as a pro choice
Republican nowadays. I mean, she's about military, about cutting spending,
about you know, increasing child child tax credit.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
It's about building a wall. She wants to build a wall, right, she.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Wants to build the wall. I mean, this is the
new Kamala Harris, a one thousand day life transformation. It's
never been seen before. And I think exposing that is
what she needed.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
To sit there and say, you mentioned young voters. Taylor
Swift endorses right after the debate. It's clearly staged. But
what is the impact of someone like Taylor Swift? Do
you buy into celebrity endorsements moving anything?

Speaker 6 (43:52):
I mean, back when celebrity was a real thing, like
when Oprah endorsed Obama, it was a real thing, but
there was a media was a much much more organized
around very few people, what real celebrities were. Taylor Should
is a real celebrity. I don't know how, I don't
I don't know what appeal Taylor has with especially young people.

(44:14):
The way that people, maybe people are older think to this,
Taylor's was almost middle aged. I mean, she's not twenty
one anymore. She's not Charlie XCX or uh or people
that younger people are always listening.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
To TikTok knowledge No, but she's.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Been there for two she's been around for two decades.
She's not a young person. She's young, relatively young, but
she's not young young. She's not a twenty one year
old who excites people. And media is not where everyone
watched the same nine to ten things and that was
how we consume media. I don't know how much how
much appeal it has. I looked at people that I

(44:52):
knew on Instagram who maybe I didn't know their opinions,
and when they liked who liked it? Everyone I know
who I saw who liked it I knew was a
liberal who was voting for her. So I don't know
if that, really, you know, will change anyone's vote. Maybe
it will motivate some people to go out and get
out of a vote. She's clearly not campaigning for her
as of anything I've ever seen yet. And it didn't
help celebrities in twenty sixteen when they were all saying

(45:15):
they are campaigning heavily for Hillary Clinton. And you know
it's not like celebrities were you, like supported George W.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Bush.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
We've never really seen celebrities in the modern age support Republican.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
So remember that celebrity. Remember the celebrity montage they did
for Hillary with the fight song, and they had like
the level of cringe.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
So they watched that like once a month. Yeah it's great.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, it's still very good. Brian or Dusky everybody. If
you want to know what's going on, follow him. Go
to the National Populace newsletter on substack. Ryan. Always great
to have you, buddy.

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Thank you.

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Speaker 1 (47:25):
Now, where is it all heading? My friends? We are
in almost mid September here, we got an election coming
up less than two months away. I can't believe how
this is all coming together. It feels like with each
passing day, the days are getting shorter on this. Well,
I guess technically they are getting shorter, right because of

(47:46):
the light you know, daylight savings. But you know what
I mean, Yes, not even a metaphor not even a metaphor,
just a real thing. The days are getting shorter in
every sense.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
And I think that we're getting closer and closer to
what'll certainly be a a tense election day. I still
feel good about things. I'm not too concerned. Trump here,
this has cut twenty three. He says that they we
didn't really get into this play. We'll get in a
little more. That they want a second debate because they
lost play twenty three. You commit to.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
A second debate with Kamala Harris say.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
From the recond debate because she lost tonight for Eventley,
so they won. They immediately called for second debate because
they lost. So we'll you don't think about that, but
she immediately called for a second. Look, we're looking at
at polls, we're looking at both The worst call that
we've had was seventy one. That I see seventy to

(48:39):
like twenty four or twenty five.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
So I see this to two ways. Right now, it
hasn't been set yet, right, They haven't officially. Officially, it
sounds like the campaigns are leaning toward a second debate.
We also, I should just note, as an aside here,
we have the vice presidential debate coming up on October one,

(49:04):
between JD Vance and Tim Walls. I think that he's
going to be very good. JD. Van's gonna be very
good in the debate. I don't think anybody cares about
that vice president debate. I really, I just don't think
that it's just a it's a side show. And I
don't even know why they're having it. I mean, for
JD it's good. I guess that people get a look
at him for the future. But you know it's not

(49:27):
gonna matter. I mean, I'll watch it because this is
our job, but you know, I wouldn't recommend any of
you watch it, like we'll tell you what happens. I
promise it'll waste your time. But the second presidential debate
would be a bigger deal. And you know Trump's analysis here,
He's Trump, so he sees things a certain way that
tends to be favorable to all things Trump. There's two

(49:50):
ways that I could see this play. On the one hand,
wanting another debate is an admission that the Kamala campaign
is still behind. But there's also the other hand. Kamala's
campaign may see this as a way to try to
make up some more of those points because they think
they did some of that last night.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I think who moderates this is maybe the determinive factor
of whether I would do another debate if I were Trump,
I don't think he benefits. He's already done CNN, He's
now done ABC, two different networks that clearly hate him.
The vice presidential debate is on NBC. I don't think

(50:34):
he benefits from going into the lions Den again. If
I were Trump and I were advising him, I would
say I did CNN, I did ABC. Those are left
leaning media outlets. I will do Fox News, as he
has proposed before. I will do Fox News on October eleventh.

(50:55):
If you show and I would take the I would
take it now, meaning I would put that out there
are in the public today, because then it's like, hey.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Here, I agreed to your prescriptions. I've agreed to this.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I'll do Fox News on October tenth or whatever date
it is, and I'm gonna show up and do a
town hall.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
If you don't show up.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'm showing up either way, and then it puts the
onus on Kamalo. Will she go on Fox News? I
think the answer is no, and then you get into
wrangling over debate terms and you can see how the
poll wing looks and make a decision then on whether
or not you want to do it.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
That's how I would play it.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
This is gonna sound a little whiny, but I'm just
gonna say it because I think it needs to be said.
You know what's unfair about all this too? If Kamala
went on Fox News, yes, it would be a fair debate.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
You're our team just won't do that.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
They will. There will not be a five everyone. There
will not be a Fox News ambush. The anchors, if
they would choose, would run it fair. They'd run it straight.
And we all know this and this is just one
of these they're willing to, you know, hit you in
the ribs when the ref isn't looking and our team isn't.
I don't know what else to say, but that's true,
the truth.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Martha McCollum and Brett Baer are who Trump suggested. I
can guarantee you that they would be straight down the middle,
and they would be completely fair.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
In fact, the only the complaints about them because of
the lopside in an insane way that the Democrats view
this stuff. The complaints about them would be why didn't
they fact check tru fact checked Trump complaints that Jake
Tapper got from the left right. I mean, you know
so so running. Just to be to be clear, running
a straight and fair debate is always unacceptable to Democrats,

(52:44):
especially when it comes to Trump. If you just ask
questions and let the people talk who are the candidates?
That is unacceptable to Democrats. They will complain about that.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I think that's important because it also ties in with
larger societal free speed each codes. They're angry that Elon
Musk on Twitter slash x is just allowing people to
say what they think. They don't want a free and
open forum where candidates can make arguments and the American

(53:15):
public can decide which arguments they find more compelling. They
demand a referee that is going to put his or
her hands on the scales in their favor. We're not
even arguing for that, We're just saying, hey, let's have
an open forum. You and I came on and said
after the CNN debate. Hey, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash
pretty much stayed out of the forray. They let Joe

(53:38):
Biden and Donald Trump go after each other, and the
goal is to give people more information. If the same
thing is true of this debate, then we would have
come on and we would have said, hey, you know,
it was a fair fight. They stayed out of the way. Instead,
Lindsay Davis and David Muir decided to make themselves really

(53:58):
strong parts of the debate. Is the thing that's really
a kick in the teeth to me, Buck. In so doing,
they made themselves millions of dollars out to say their
contract extension ever never get fired. Their contract extensions were
a done deal after last night's debate. MRR is probably

(54:18):
making twenty million a year, twenty five million a year
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I don't know what the I don't even know the
other lady's name, but I well.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Lindsay Davis, I have no idea what she makes. They're
never getting fired. They have lifetime tenure at ABC News.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Now. Yeah, so this is always remember this for Democrats.
They take care of their team, they take care of
their side, and that is why they get the outcomes
that they do so and on our side, sometimes people
do the good deed, they show bravery and courage and character,
and everyone's like, well, I don't know, I guess their
career is ruined. Like maybe they'll open up, you know,

(54:51):
a pawn shop somewhere so they'll figure it out. You know,
we don't take care of our team the same way.
It's one of our I know, it sounds like a
little thing. It's actually one of the biggest failings we
have because in this environment where Democrats run the politics
of personal destruction using the Internet and everything else in
a way that is way beyond what they could do
in the past, being able to ruin someone's career in

(55:11):
their livelihood because they're a political threat to you, very powerful.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Oh look at what they did to Trump.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I mean, when Democrat presidents move out of office, they
get lifetime sinecures. Heck, even Joe Biden was making millions
of dollars and he was only a VP. Trump is president,
leaves office, they won't even play pro golf tournaments at
his courses. The PGA Tour pulls out on the PGA Championship,

(55:37):
and they.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Try to put him in prison.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
For the rest of his life. I mean, it's not
even just you don't get a golden parachute. It's that
they try to put you in a jail cell. It
is true. And these guys, I mean, that's why it's
so disgusting to me. David Muir and Lindsay Davis, they
now are taken care of it. And we didn't even
hardly talked about this. But the president of ABC News

(55:59):
is a thirty year friend of Kamala Harris. Yep, thirty years.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
They have been best to introduced Kamala to the first
husband guy or whatever. The second was a girl. I
think her name is Dana Walden. You guys in the
studio yet, sorry, didn't she introduced to the Kamala Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I think that's right.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
And their they're bosom buddies from LA who hang out
together all the time, have been friends for thirty years,
and she runs the network that gets the debate. And
you don't think that David Muir and Lindsey Davis know
that their boss is best friends with one of the
two people that they're doing the debate of. I mean, again,

(56:41):
the rig job was in effect and I get the
if you've listened to the show. You go back and
listen to podcast. I encourage you go listen to it.
Trump was not his best version, and that, to me
is the frustrating part, because I think there were It's
like when you watch go back and watch film of
a game and you're like, it's one thing. If he
had been going up against the greatest debater of all time,
you'd be like, man, that person's really good. There were

(57:03):
lots of layups to be made, there were lots of
easy points to be scored, and I think Trump missed
on it. But the rig job that he walked into
is unprecedented in its nature. I truly never think we've
seen anything like this. I think in all things, self
honesty is very important. And when you're assessing whether it's
a debate performance or a politician in general, or a

(57:24):
whole political platform, if you have never once at this point,
I mean, Trump has been on the scene now for
eight years, right as the rest one on nine, since
he came down the staircase to run in twenty sixteen.
If you've never once found yourself saying I disagree with
or I have a problem with what Trump said.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
You need to get out a little more you need
to think. You know, it's you can't always agree. I
don't always agree with my family members, you know what
I mean. I don't always agree with don't tell anyone, Clay,
I don't always agree with my wife. You know, you
don't always agree with anyone, and you don't always think
what they do is perfect all the time. And if
you find yourself in that situation, you're losing objectivity such

(58:08):
that it does you and that person a disservice. So
people can say that they thought Trump agreed, that's not
That's fine, But I'm just saying, if you've only ever
thought to yourself, I hate when Trump is criticized. I've
never criticized him, or I've never agreed with the criticism
of him, that's not where That's not where we want
to be in terms of the honesty meter, I would

(58:29):
agree you should never one hundred percent agree with anybody,
not even yourself. You should be willing to challenge your
own thoughts. I also think this is important. If you
find yourself listening to media people who only say that
somebody is amazing or awesome or the best version of themselves,

(58:50):
you are I think falling victim to the same lies
that Karine Jean Pierre was saying at the podium, and
frankly that Kabala argued for years about Biden. It was
self evident for anybody who the brain that Biden wasn't
able to do the job. Now, you often bring the
sort of the sports commentary flavor into things. I don't
think anybody would trust a coach who had been serving

(59:10):
for a decade of a professional team who after every
single game, win or lose, was like, we were awesome.
I wouldn't change a thing. That's not why and why
is that bad? It's bad because it's not honest. It's
not honest, it's not helpful. It's not helpful, it's not
going to help you win. So again, I still think
Trump is ahead. I still think Trump is going to win.
But as part of the process of having that conversation again,

(59:35):
it's not just like you and me are sitting on
a stoop somewhere saying it. You, me and a few
million friends, including people who work for Trump. I think
that that having some degree of reflection on what could
have gone a little better last night is actually a
service to the Trump campaign. That's how I view it now.
People can disagree with that, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I also think this is important too. You can't surround
yourself in any facet of life with people who only
say you're awesome. And you know this, Buck, this happens
in media all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
People cloister themselves, They surround themselves by people who say,
you're amazing, you did everything perfectly. It happens probably in
many of your businesses where the boss has a lot
of yes men or women who just walk around and
it doesn't matter what the data says, it doesn't matter
what the performance was, and that works, and that works,

(01:00:30):
and then it's the Emperor with no clothes syndrome. At
some point it blows up. And I think this is
where Trump needs to have people with him who say, Hey,
you could have been better than you were last night,
and in order to win the election you're gonna have
to be better than this going forward. Now, everybody is

(01:00:51):
not their best. Look, Buck, you and I talked for
three hours every day. Sometimes we finished the show and
it wasn't the best show we ever did. I wish
every day was perfect. We screw things up. The audio
doesn't get played, We read the wrong read the wrong ad.
We get a fact wrong, or we missstate. Certainly I
get grammar wrong all the time. I sound like Tim
Walls here. We're imperfect. But the goal is to get

(01:01:15):
better and better, and I don't think that Trump improved
from June.

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