Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 18 2024

Trump is rising while Kamala flounders. The canned answer campaign. Senator Ron Johnson. Former CIA officer Mike Baker.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We got a
whale of a program headed your direction today hopefully be fun, entertaining,
and enlightening all rolled together. Mike Baker, he is a
counter intel expert.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buck.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know, Mike, I believe basically going to tell us
how Israel managed to blow up pagers and now walkie
talkies of Hesbola in a story that continues to grow.
That should be an interesting conversation, I believe with him,
we got our buddy, Senator Ron Johnson. We have not

(00:39):
I don't think had him on Bucks since we were
with him at the RNC in August. We will talk
with him about the latest news out there, including the
battleground state of Wisconsin. And then at two thirty Ned
Ryan set to join us. I mentioned the blown up
walkie talkies, that story following the blown up pager yesterday

(01:00):
of Hezbola as Israel steps up its counter terrorism efforts.
We've got a lot to dive into with all of you,
but I wanted to start with a couple of interesting
data points that came down this morning in the gallop Pole.

(01:21):
There was a big move in likability since August when
it comes to Kamala Harris and to Donald Trump. Also,
we've got a new poll out from Atlanta showing in
the Atlanta Journal Constitution Trump with a three point lead
in Georgia. Let's talk about these in reverse for a

(01:44):
sec buck Trump up forty four to forty one, margin
of air three points in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Pole.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's down from a five point lead over Joe Biden,
but still an absolutely massive deal. If Trump flips Georgia
back into the Red team camp. Why does that matter? Well,
because if Trump wins Georgia and he wins North Carolina,

(02:12):
then all he would need to do is win Pennsylvania
and he as president. This also would reflect that Kamala
Harris's surge has really kind of run into a wall
here because Georgia has a large black population, and the
idea was, oh, Kamala will be able to get more
of those voters than Joe Biden would be able to.

(02:35):
That would seem not to be the case. Again, this
is the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the University of Georgia.
Pol I misspoke, Trump up forty seven to forty one. Sorry,
forty seven to forty four margin of air three point one.
In this poll, Biden was down five in June, but
this would suggest that the staying power for Trump in

(02:56):
Georgia is significant and that he's on track to flip
Georgia back to the Red team.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I just want to say, Clay, the numbers absolutely line
up with what we've been saying is going to happen,
particularly over the last month, which is with greater Kamala
familiarity comes greater Kamala campaign weakness the entire game. I'm
telling you, the only way the people who really know

(03:25):
what's happening with this election, who are pulling the strings
the Democrat Party, the only reason they really thought that
Kamala Harris was a better shot for them than Joe
Biden was because of the truncated campaign, because it was
a shortened schedule, if you will, I think they all
recognize that if Kamala had to run over the course.

(03:46):
First of all, she had to run a primary, okay,
because she would have had to reiterate a lot of
those crazy positions in that primary. And then if she
had to show up and actually campaign in any normal sense,
there would have been no way because there's no COVID,
no way to run the hide Kamala campaign. But they figured, well,
if we only have to do this for a couple

(04:07):
of months, the media will run cover for us. They'll
be that Kamala bump in favorability from the newness of
it and the not dementia pation of it. But what
are we seeing? She is losing ground. And for her
to be in a position based on all of the
numbers we saw in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, for

(04:28):
her to be in a position where right now things
can change she's ahead of Trump, she would have to
be substantially better off and gaining ground in the number
in the polls than she is right now. She is
losing this race. That does not mean she has lost,
but she is losing this race. And I think now
there's this challenge of Clay. What would you normally do

(04:49):
when someone's behind You would try to have them get
out there on the campaign trail, knock on doors, kiss babies,
all the usual stuff. But they can't do that, right,
So yeah, what do they do to try to turn
the momentum around? I don't think they have a good answer.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, And that's where basically we are stationary. I was
talking with a couple of buddies this morning and one
of them was talking about how NFL ratings are up.
And some of you may say, Okay, well, why does
that matter. NFL ratings usually go down during the fall
of an election season. That's sort of a tried and
true aspect. What could be happening here. The theory is

(05:27):
that a lot of people have made up their minds
and that they are not able to gin up the
amount of interest that might have been there in the past.
So this is worth putting a pin in and thinking
about as we're under fifty days from the election, and
as some of you are going to be starting to
get your ballot soon Gallop poll. This is the other
one I wanted to hit. What's the lesson of Kamala's

(05:50):
political career on the national level. The more time people
spend with her, the less they like her. Buck I
got an analogy for you. I'm curious if you would
buy in if you're thinking about the twenty twenty four
election as a company, A lot of you work out
at businesses. Trump would be the founder CEO who is

(06:15):
outlandish at times, says ridiculous things. Many of you brash
know this person, but ultimately is right on the big
issues and that is why the company has success. A
lot of you have worked at companies like that or
you're familiar with it. Kamalo would be the VP of Diversity,
Equity and Inclusion who used to work in HR and

(06:39):
got promoted because of the HR investigations that she's been
a part of in the past. Who do people inside
of companies typically like the least the dei HR people
because they're constantly coming around trying to police everything that
people say, all of the relationships oded you you say

(07:00):
that joke, that's the people that we hate the most
inside of companies.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's Kamala.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Even in the.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Office, Yeah, remember the Office great show. Yes, Toby the
HR guy was the the whole running bit with him.
Was everybody, especially Michael Scott hates Toby the HR guy. Yeah,
because he's kind of the uh, the goody two shoes.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
He's the office covert, he's the office cop cop.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, he's the ark. He's the nark that prevents the
funny jokes from happening.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I think people are coming around on that analogy. But
here's what Gallup found uh favorability ratings shift from August.
Trump's favorabilities went up five points, his unfavorable decline by two.
They found a favorability rating for Trump of forty six,

(07:49):
which is actually pretty good for Trump because he's generally
just a little bit under fifty all the time. Unfavorable
fifty three for a net that would be negative seven, right, Kamala.
Kamala's favorable ratings went down three, her unfavorable ratings went
up five. She's got a net positivity rating here of

(08:12):
minus ten according to Gallup. And this, to me, Buck
really was the staggering part. Among independent voters, Trump is
a net minus nine forty four percent positive, fifty three
percent negative, Buck Harris. Among independent voters, these are the

(08:33):
swing voters that are going to decide the election, thirty
five percent positive, sixty percent negative minus twenty five. That
to me, again, this is a Gallup poll that just
came out today. Also with the Atlanta Journal Constitution Battleground
pole that just came out today, that to me is

(08:54):
incredibly damning. Now, look, has there been a rally among Democrats,
a relief rally of sorts because they don't have Joe Biden,
who they had to acknowledge had mental and physical issues
of cognition. Yes, but I think the sugar high when
you look at these numbers. This is the change since
August has begun to register. More people spend with Kamala,

(09:15):
more time people spend with Kamala, the less they like her.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
And this also is no surprise to any of us, right,
the same way that Biden's final collapse up there on stage,
the lie of oh he's sharpest attack, or as Joe
Scarborough said, is the sharpest he's ever been. When that
finally collapsed, we were like, yeah, of course, we've been
saying this all along. There's no surprise here, right. Kamala

(09:43):
Clay was viewed by the Democrat base in twenty twenty
as not even a top five contender. I mean she
was probably in the top ten, but not a top
five contender, meaning this is not somebody who I mean,
you know, look, look look at the ascent of somebody
like in Obama. The guy doesn't even finish his first

(10:04):
term in the Senate and he beats Hillary Clinton and
you know run the guy had political ability, Okay, I mean,
you know, was president for eight years. Not talking about
whether he was good or bad on the policies. Everybody
knows how I feel about that. But the guy could win,
and he did win. Now he didn't win for other
Democrat politicians. Obama's popularity never transferred well to the rest
of the party.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
But put that aside.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Kamala Harris was viewed by Democrats as a political liability
until five minutes ago. And so now that we see that,
the more people see of her, the less they want
to support her, including the moderates or the mid swing voters,
whatever you want to call them. This is obvious, right,
This was what was supposed to happen based on what

(10:46):
we've already seen. And so now I just wonder, Yes,
of course there's the possibility of more October surprises, but really,
Clay Well, he's gonna say what could be an October surprise?
At this point, I don't even want to I don't
want to go there. You know, we've been in some
very dark places as a country recently. But if it's
gonna be the oh, like look what Trump said twenty

(11:08):
years ago, no one's gonna care. You know, the normal
last minute stuff isn't gonna work, and they can't suppress
stuff from our side. So they've both I think they've
fired every poor choice of words. They have deployed everything
they can already against Trump politically, and they also can't
suppress the truth about Kamala. And I think that X

(11:30):
is a big part of this. I think that X
allows for there to be an ecosystem of clips and
information and conversation, even for those of you who aren't
on it. It feeds the rest of the Internet and
the news cycle in a way that the Democrats cannot control.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think that's true. And also you're seeing them hiding Kamala.
How many more big events are there going to be
that move in her direction? And I don't know if
you we talked about this yesterday, the number of ballots
that have been questioned in Pennsylvania, I would love to
see somebody, and if you've got a link, I would

(12:06):
love for you to send it to us. Have Democrats
been able to explain why the number of requested ballots
is down massively for them in twenty twenty four compared
to twenty twenty These are mail in ballots. I'm sure
the answer is going to be, well, COVID, isn't there anymore?
We're not as afraid, but the Republican numbers of requested

(12:27):
ballots have not changed very much. So why is the
Democrat ballot number down so massively in a state that
they won so narrowly. Again, trying to look at data
and parse that to figure out where we're headed. That
would suggest to me that there is much less enthusiasm

(12:47):
out there. And I don't know, Buck if you saw this.
Did you see the Nevada CBS story where they were
going around to all the diners and they basically couldn't
find anybody who supported Kamala Harris in the toss up counties.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, they were like, well, we went around.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
We finally found one liberal white guy who would be like, oh,
I'm a big Kamala supporter. But everybody they talked to
in the diners on the CBS this morning, I think
it was story about this wash out county, the toss
up county. I believe in Nevada everybody was like, yeah,
we're for Trump. And so again, I just think the

(13:22):
numbers are starting to get ominous. And remember last week,
Kamala's people said in their briefing, if the election had
happened last week, they thought Trump would win.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I think that that's where we are. And so what
I'm trying to anticipate now is, given that reality, what
are Democrats planning? Because they you know, I think that
we know if Trump wins, they're not going to certify.
I've said this many times. I still believe this. They
will try to block certification, even if I don't think

(13:53):
they can really do that, but they're going to try something.
I do think will there be riots play? I mean,
will there be large riots across the country. Given how
insane the rhetoric has been around Trump, you would have
to think that there'd be anti fascist riots or something going.
You know, the people that want to shut you up
and threaten you with force are going to be having
anti fascist riots on the streets with no sense of

(14:15):
the irony there.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think the challenge they have with the riots is
when you're in command. I think that might hurt them, right,
So I think the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I'm talking after the I'm talking after it. Yeah, after
after the election, there's going to be right yeah, yeah,
I think so if Trump wins, Yeah, so that But
that's kind of what I'm seeing in the in the
in the near future here, because I don't see how
they turn it around with Kamala. I just I don't
I'm saying I don't see it. I'm not saying it's
not possible. I'm saying I don't see the pathway.

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Speaker 1 (15:47):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody
out there hanging with us. As we roll through the
Wednesday edition of the program, I want to play for
you a couple of cuts that are illustrative of this election.
I would say the number one question that most people

(16:09):
have in America today, what can you, as the potential
president do to keep the prices that have soared over
the past three and a half years of the Biden
Kamala administration to bring those prices back to reality. And
this is important because I think many of you feel

(16:30):
it most people in America, the cost of goods has
accelerated faster than your wages have increased. It's not enough
for your wages to increase. What you want to have
is more purchasing power. You want to leave the grocery
store and feel like, boy, I have more money left

(16:52):
over at the end of this month than I thought
I was going to have because the cost of goods
is lower than your.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Wage have been increasing.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, That's really the essence of how to make economic
progress in America. Whatever your costs are of living, you
need to have more money in your pocket at the
end of the month than you did to pay for
your cost of living. Unfortunately, because of the rise and
inflation and the resulting rise and a cost of basically
all goods, that hasn't been the reality.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
So even though.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Kamala and Walls are trying to avoid answering this question,
they're still getting asked it by local news media because
it's what local news media hears from their viewers as well.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yesterday, I believe it was Tim Walls.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Who still hasn't done a sit down interview for the
entirety of his time as vice presidential nominee, was asked, Hey,
what do you have to say for people about the
cost of goods? Listen to this answer.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Let's start with inflation.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
When do you tell people who wake up frankly each
morning wondering how am I going to get by financially?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, I tell Harrison, I know something about it.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Being middle class folks, our family sit at the table trying.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
To pay the bill.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, I mean, and I want to play for you.
This is the agreed upon, memorized response to how do
you tell people who can't pay their bills?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, I grew up in the middle class households.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
This is the agreed upon response, not any tangible action.
It's just oh, basically, I feel your pain. I had
to sit at the kitchen table, these old tired politician
statements that don't actually go to the essence at all.
And I believe this is from the Jesse Waters show.
They put together clips of Kamala using the same line.

(18:40):
They're reading off, as Buck said earlier, a memorized script.
They're basically actors. Listen to this.

Speaker 8 (18:45):
So I was raised as a middle class kid. I
grew up a middle class kid. I grew up a
middle class kid. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations,
the dreams of the American people. You know, we have
ambitions and as inspirations and dreams, the ambition, the aspiration,
the dream. I started my career as a prosecutor. I

(19:06):
was a career prosecutor for most of my career. Having
a background as a prosecutor, I intend to create an
opportunity economy. Developing and creating an opportunity economy. What I
imagine and believe in call an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Economy buck This is the more she talks, the less
it becomes clear, or the more it becomes clear she
can't do this job. And the reason Democrats wont her
is they know that, much like Biden with dementia, they
will just have her as the figurehead, and they will
have people surrounding her who put in place all the

(19:42):
policies that they want to be able to implement, and
she's not even intelligent enough to oppose them. And Wall's, frankly,
to me, seems even dumber than Kamala. I think the
combination of the two is the dumbest political ticket that
any of us have ever seen in our lives. I'm
not sure president vice president have ever been less competent

(20:03):
and frankly dumber than this duo.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I wonder what their alternative would be. This is the
challenge of criticizing a lot of what Harrison Wallace come
forward with, because she can't tout the Biden economy or
her role in it, really because it's not good. She
can't roll out new ideas because her new ideas first
well they're not hers, but they're bad things like price controls,

(20:30):
And she really isn't left with a whole lot of
room to say anything of any intelligence anyway, unless she's
going to steal from President Trump ideas, which he's already done.
And so they're really just going for a campaign of
emotion and slogan. And I know that's always relevant in
political campaigns, right, That's always a part of this. But

(20:56):
there's supposed to be other stuff, right, I mean you
could say, oh, Trump, it's all about MAGA and you know,
chance and whatever. Yeah, but okay, Trump also has very specific,
articulated and successful policies on trade, articulated, specific and successful
policies on the economy, on taxes, on manufacture. Great, you

(21:18):
go down this list of things. It's two sided, right,
you have the campaign of emotions and the campaign of
facts and reality, and Kama's just running a pure emotional slogan.
It's all just this kind of mirage the whole campaign.
I don't even know what I mean. Yeah, they're they're
they're great. If you just if abortion is the single

(21:39):
thing that matters to the absolute most in the whole world,
you're voting Kambala, they're very solid on that. On everything else,
what do they even stand for on every other issue? Clay,
you could point to doesn't that tell you about the
centrality of abortion to the Democrat mindset on everything else?
The economy, the border, police reparations, the environment. She's done

(21:59):
these big switch. So I sit here and people would
ask me, what's the worst part of the Kamala platform.
It's that there really isn't a platform, not really not
of any significance. I mean, go is anyway I've gone
her website. Have you got her website?

Speaker 9 (22:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (22:15):
It's I mean, I'm like, is this a political campaign?
Or am I in a store that sells like wind
chimes and healing crystals? It's bizarre.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
They also, I think that's why you have to actually
just look at what she's done in office. I know
it's a radical proposition to actually hold her accountable for
what's happened while she's in office. She got asked that
question by the local Philly news guy, I don't think
we played that yesterday. But she says, well, obviously I'm
not Joe Biden. Haha, cackle. She hasn't created any real

(22:47):
space between herself and what Joe Biden claimed he would
do if he were running in twenty twenty four. In fact,
they just cut and pasted the Biden platform for the DNC,
and even when they began to put out policy proposals
on their website, you could see that they just cut
and pasted it from what Biden had suggested that he

(23:09):
would do. And so I think the border is a
great crystallizing example of this. I tweeted this earlier today.
Kamala was asked by Axios if she could ask answer
questions about her immigration policies for five or ten minutes.
The Kamala campaign said no to Axios, and I think

(23:32):
what I would predict. You can grab this and see
if I'm right. In four years, if Kamala were to win,
she would do nothing to actually close down the border
over the next three and a half years. And then
come the twenty twenty eight presidential campaign, when she decided
that she was going to run, they would try to
throw forward a milk toast week border bill. They would

(23:56):
get some complicit Republicans to agree to it, most Republicans
would not, and then she would do what they're trying
to do in this election cycle, which is blame Republicans
for the issue at the border because they won't sign
on to the bill that they waited three and a
half years to introduce. She's not going to go against
the left link of her party. She's not going to

(24:16):
shut down the border. So the best prediction for what
a Kamala presidency would look like is what we have
already seen from a Biden presidency. And Biden was by
and large absent from most of his presidency because he
didn't have the mental or physical capacity to be the
leader that the nation needed. Kamala is the shell shadow

(24:41):
candidate that the Democrat Party needs to have at the
head of the table when they execute their radical left
wing agenda.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
That's the truth. That is where we are headed.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
That is what will happen if she were to manage
to win this election in forty eight days. Forty seven days,
just less than seven weeks from now.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, I think that the Kamala campaign is running out
of time, that they can intentionally run off the clock,
if that makes sense, like they usually when you're behind,
you want more time, but actually for them, they want
it to be as short as possible. And so this
is why I come back to it. It's like a
campaign trap. What can they really do because with Trump,

(25:24):
you can say he needs to get back on message.
He needs to have a rally here. He needs to
and you know, everyone has a million ideas of what
Trump needs to do, and you know Trump is going
to do exactly what he wants. But with Kamala Harris,
you'll notice, Claire. Look, I am an avid watcher of
Morning Joe, as everybody in this audience knows. Just so
I get the talking points from the day for the Democrats,
I know what their general Lisimo is telling the rest

(25:48):
of the the group think collectivists in the media. And
it's not like they're all out there. You know, it's amazing,
They're not like, you know what, we need more Kamala
on the campaign trail, she just needs to take her
message to the people. I have never seen this before
the political candidate ever, even with you know, Joe Biden
in twenty twenty, it was, you know, Joe needs to

(26:09):
get out there and tell people about the economy in
middle class. And look when he's able to string together
a coherent sentence, Joe has been practicing the same stick
for fifty years, like he can do it. With Kamala Harris,
it's all, hey, can we just keep pushing the narrative
of Donald Trump is a danger to democracy enough that
we scare enough people that they'll vote for anybody who's

(26:31):
not Trump.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Because Democrats know that she's incompetent, actually better than many
people that they're trying to persuade to vote for her, right,
I mean they know, but they're the ones who said
that they wanted her kicked off the ticket because she
was a drag on Biden, and now they're saying she
should be in charge by herself for the next four years.
Remember they kept Joe Biden in as their nominee until

(26:53):
it became inevitable that he could not win, and then
they basically threw a hail Mary brought in the backup
quarterback Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And the data reflects that as.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
People are learning more about her in the battleground states,
they're moving against her, and I think that's only going
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Breaking news just a couple of minutes ago, the Federal
Reserve has cut rates by half a percentage point. That
is more than many were anticipating. Usually they move in
quarter point increments. That is the first reduction in the
Fed funds rate since twenty twenty. Eleven of the twelve

(28:55):
I'm reading from the Wall Street Journal, eleven of the
twelve Federal Reserve members vot voted to back the cut.
Benchmark Federal funds rate will now go to between four, seven,
five and five percent, and that they expect right now
a majority to also lower rates by a quarter point

(29:17):
in November and December, which would mean that there would
be a full point reduction projected between now and the
end of the year. Quote, the Committee has gained greater
confidence inflation is moving sustainably towards two percent, and judges
the risks to achieving employment and inflation goals are roughly
in balance the progress the rate cut reflects quote progress

(29:41):
on inflation and the balance of risks. It has been
expected that rates were going to be cut. The timing
right before a presidential election certainly very interesting. We bring
in now Senator Ron Johnson of the great state of Wisconsin.
I'll let you react to the Fed move if you
have a strong take one way or the other. But

(30:03):
I want to start with. Two polls came out today
of Wisconsin. Each of them showed one percent leads for
Kamala Harris, well within the margin of error. What are
you seeing on the ground. You've won several close elections
in that state. You know it better than almost anyone.

(30:24):
How would you assess the status of the race about
forty five days out?

Speaker 5 (30:29):
It's going to be close.

Speaker 9 (30:31):
We've always known that it'll be close. But what I
can tell you is that you know, in Wisconsin, we
are doing what needs to be.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Done in terms of ground game.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
We're encouraging all of our voters to get out and
vote early as soon as you can. You're mail in
your Assteve ballots, You're taking them to a close office.
Do so so you can spend the rest of time
between you voting and the election getting other people to
vote early, bank those votes so that on election day,
all of our gal up the vote effort is going
to be targeted toward the low propensity voter well in

(31:00):
the end decide the election. So again, we've got the
right strategy. You know, we're trying, We're implementing it. I
think we've got resources to do it. I've got a
lot of good people who've been chipping in on that.
So we're doing what needs to be done, focusing really
on the ground game.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us. I'm interested to
see how this plays out. We're talking about the border
a lot in the last hour, and as I understand it,
you have an effort by Senator britt to try to
pass bills through unanimous consent to get Democrats on the
record for not wanting money billions of dollars to build

(31:36):
the wall and also not wanting to detain migrants. What
can you tell us about this? And also the second bill,
which they're calling the Lake and Riley Act.

Speaker 9 (31:47):
Yeah, I mean we do that all the time, you know,
either amendments or you do unanimous consent requests. The things
that most Americans feel are common sense, and of course
the Democrats always block it that they do the same
thing destiny.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
That's what the bill on IB was about yesterdays.

Speaker 9 (32:01):
And we I don't know, pub concenters against IVF. I
have two grand children because of IVS, so we support it,
but they always put poison pills in it. We actually
are straight up with our bills, which said just let's
complete the tense. Let's let's build a wall. Let's let's
end heale immigration, Let's give the present great authority they
block all those things. Let's deport criminals and they block it. So, yeah,

(32:24):
that's that's.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
What we do here.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
It's it's it's good messaging probably in both sides, but
in the end doesn't come along.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
What's the impact of Tim Walls in your impressions? You're
a lifelong Midwesterner. I just got to go hang out
at the Alabama Wisconsin game. My wife's from Michigan. Tim
Walls doesn't to me feel like a guy that connects
very well with the average beer drinking football fan across
the country. Guys that I feel like, I know, really, Well,

(32:52):
what do you think they they they brought him in
with the idea being, oh, he's going to help solidify
the Midwest. Is it working? How are you thinking people
are finding him in your home state.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
Well, if the press were honest and talked about Tim
Wallas's record, he'd be a net negative and probably a
pretty significant net negative. But they're not talking about him honestly.
The bottom line, I don't think against any impact whatsoever. Again,
we're really not running against Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
We're runing against the mainstream media. Guy.

Speaker 9 (33:22):
Check that legacy corporate media. There's nothing mainstream about the
radical leftists in the legacy media. So they're the ones
that are covering up for Kamala Harris's lies. They're the reason,
by the way, she could be coached and prepared for
that debate to smoothly spew lie after lie after lie
because she could be confident that the media, the moderators

(33:44):
weren't going to call her on it would hold her accountable.
Federals had a great article twenty five Lives she told.
We're very well documented. So again, it's not a level
playing field. It's not a fair fight. We're up against
the media, we're up against our education system. We're up
against all the radical leftists and all our institutions.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Senator Johnson, you know, we've been discussing it a lot
since Sunday for obvious reasons. Security of President Trump. I mean,
in your role in the Senate, you clearly have oversight.
There's an oversight component that the Senate has when it
comes to federal agencies, and it just seems like I think,
I don't know who would disagree with this. There's been

(34:23):
deplorable lapses in security around President Trump. Is there any
sense that you have that now it will be taken
seriously enough where that there'll be a greater effort among
the executive security agencies, to Secret Service obviously DHS top
of the heat to do what is necessary, because it

(34:43):
starts to feel like if we get to a third
attempt on President Trump, you know, the wheels are going
to start to come off the bus here with people
believing this election is on the up and up.

Speaker 9 (34:54):
Well if Acting Director role claiming what happened in West
Palm Beach was a smash and success to think they're
going to take it more seriously.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
By the way, let me quickly.

Speaker 9 (35:02):
Spell the notion that they need more resources. Over the
last ten years, they've increased the number of agents by
thirty two percent one from sixty three hundred to eighty
three hundred two thousand diditional people. Their budget went up
sixty five percent from two billion to three point three billion.
They're part of an agency or a department DHS one
hundred and ninety billion dollar budget with two hundred and

(35:24):
forty thousand employees who they can detail to you know,
take care of the surgeons in terms of protection. So
they've got plenty of resources. That's not the problem. The
problem is management. It's not the guys on the ground
that are throwing their bodies in front of President Trump.
These are heroes, these people we should celebrate. It is
a rock at the top, and I don't know it
was etled with DEI. I'm not sure this anteam director wrote.

(35:46):
We're not getting the straight answer out of him. They're
not cooperating with our investigation.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
That they're going through the motions.

Speaker 9 (35:51):
They come up and brief brief us, tell us nothing.
They're not giving us the documents. We still haven't gotten
one transcript from the FDIs over one thousand interviews, even
though the deputy director told me they get those to
me as soon as possible. We've done, We've been given
access to twelve people to interview. We still haven't talked
to snikerw who took out CRUX. So again, there's so

(36:14):
many basic questions that haven't been answered. Camp Stretcher can
go why why are they being so opacked? Why aren't
they cooperating?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Okay, I'm fired up about this, and I know you
are because you've called in talking about the FBI's lack
of transparency and in fact, the fact that they have
been very dishonest with you and the briefings that they
gave you surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop. All of this,
let me ask you this, How in the world can
we trust the FBI, which is trying to put Donald

(36:43):
Trump in prison for the rest of his life, and
which we know rigged the twenty twenty election by not
saying clearly that they believe the Hunter Biden laptop was
real right, in fact the opposite. How can we trust
them to conduct a fair, impartial, and honest investigation of
the two Trump assassinations when the same agency is trying

(37:04):
to put Trump in prison for the rest of his life.
It's an untenable conflict to me, and I hear almost
no one talking about it.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
You've got to be fired up about this.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah, we can't trust them, YEA. What we need is
we need.

Speaker 9 (37:16):
The agents on the ground, people who are patriots. They
need to come forward and tell.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Us the truth.

Speaker 9 (37:20):
We need whistleblowers, and we're not getting very many of
them because they destroy the careers of whistle blowers. Even
though we have all these whistlebler protection laws, they aren't followed. Okay,
so these guys roll over you destroy whistle blowers with impunity.
So I mean, look at how they cleaned up the
crime scene, and they roll that sucker up in no time.
They've created the body. I haven't seen the autopsy. I

(37:43):
haven't seen the toxicology reports. Again said well, it's not
standard apper incedure to hold on the body. Well, this
isn't a standard normal time and this is an assassination
attempt on a former president, our candidate for presidency. Again,
so no, you cannot trust them right now, You've got
this the new assassin, right, how do Ukraine? You know

(38:03):
that CIA has to have a file on this guy,
probably pretty extensive out So is the FBI. So does CBP,
now that they were made well aware of this guy,
that interviewed him the you know HSI Homeman screening investigations
declined to interview him further. Do you think CIA is
going to turn over those files if there's any something
incriminating in terms of them maybe working with this guy,
you think they're going to turn that over to us?

(38:23):
By the way, do you think even if Trump gets
elected and he tells the CIA to turn over all
the information on JFK. Do you think we'll actually get
the full file?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
No, I don't know, I think any of that. Yeah,
it is amazing.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
The fourth branch of government is obviously the unelected bureaucracy.
How would you know if you were either. There's been
some discussion Senator Johnson of maybe Elon Musk. I'm sorry, Yeah,
Elon Musk being on a government waste task force, which
gets a lot of us excited, whether we like you know,
Tesla's or not. We just think Elon's amazing and this

(39:00):
would be phenomenal. Uh. Do you think it's really possible though?
For a Trump administration? Let's say we have Senate control,
which is looking good, you know, but let's just say
we have Senate control, keep the House and Trump is
in office. Can the swamp really be drained or are
we just hoping that it doesn't keep growing?

Speaker 9 (39:20):
First of all, first of all, I would love Elon
Musk to be the efficiency desire.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
No.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
Look what he did with Twitter, but he got rid
of seventy five to eighty percent of the personnel. Twitter's
up and running just fine, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (39:31):
You could take that same type of approach to probably
every agency in the feder government and by way, including Defense.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Look at what he's doing in terms of firing.

Speaker 9 (39:39):
Rockets into space at a fraction of the cost of
Bureacratic NASA. So I would love that. What's going to
take this can take leadership in Congress. And by the way,
from my standpoint, I think Rick Scott would be the
could be the majority leader in the Senate that would
actually cooperate to do that and not frustrate Donald Trump's
efforts or Elon must effort.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
So no, I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 9 (40:02):
I mean, I'm jazzed about Trump winning, Bobby Kennedy handling
chronic illness, Elon Musk, looking at these agencies and making them.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Efficient, because that's what we have to do.

Speaker 9 (40:13):
You have to shrink beside the federal government. You have
to devolve governing authority back to.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
The states, back to the city.

Speaker 9 (40:20):
That's the long term programming, and we better get going
on it, because government right now only ratsts in one direction,
just keeps growing, and as government grows, our freems received.
It's direct, it's in direct proportion. More Americans need to
understand that, and we need to vote for Donald Trump
and get Elon Musk in there cleaning house.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
All right, I want you to close with this. You'd
mentioned that it's important for people to get their votes
in early. Wisconsin was decided by twenty thousand votes in
twenty twenty. Might well hold the fate of the Senate
and the presidency in its hand. All those Wisconsin nights
up there make the case for why people sh vote

(41:00):
early and what the benefit is for that if they
are big Trump hub the supporters out there, you.

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Know Trump's frist rally and I flew up with a
mass Rod gave him. The chart was in April of
twenty twenty four, and it ended up being about three
or four inches of driving sleep.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
It was a miserable day.

Speaker 9 (41:18):
Almost didn't land because they need to get in and
out so that could happen on November. So we can't
have all of our votes expect those things be cast
on election day. We need to bank them ahead of time.
But even more important, you know, we spend a lot
of money calling.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
People that haven't voted yet.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
Because you got those records, they're very up, they're very
you know, we can follow up.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
We want.

Speaker 9 (41:40):
We don't want to spend money calling people are going
to vote anyway, we want to spend all of our
get up to vote effort on the low propensity voters.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Who will decide the election.

Speaker 9 (41:49):
So bank your vote, bank early.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Once you bank years, get other.

Speaker 9 (41:53):
People to bank their vote, and then on election day,
hopefully we're hundreds of thousands votes ahead a Democrat and
we win easily. That's my that's my hope, that's my prayer.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Senator Ron Johnson. We're hoping to celebrate with you sometime
in the new year, the big victory this fall with
some brats, some cheese curds, and uh gluten free beer.
Thanks for being with u. Center Johnson, always appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
It's brats, by the way, brats to.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Thank you for correct Thank you for correcting that.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Sorry brats. There we go. Well it's the brotz Senator Johnson, everybody,
thank you, Thank you. I was so close, Clay, you
know what I mean. It's rare that you mispronounced a word.
Usually it's me mispronouncing everything I was. I was excited
about my beloved Wisconsin Wolverines. So you know there's that
You're you're gonna leave, You're gonna let me do that. Really,

(42:45):
you're just gonna say nothing nothing, all right, whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I mean, you've you've adopted every team at this point. So,
uh wait, Wisconsin's the Badgers, yes, right, the Wolverines in Michigan, whatever, close.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I love you, Michigan.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
And you're now you're alienating people by now.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Now I'm pulling a Hillary Clinton where no where, no
teams fans are gonna like that, right, I love the
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Speaker 2 (44:28):
Welcome back in our friend Mike.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Baker joins my brother from the Agency, mister Mike Baker.
He is the host of the PDB podcast. Is in
my Presidential Daily Brief and Uh, Mike, appreciate you making
the time for us. Congrats on all the success of
the PDB podcast, and I've you know. Look, you and
I are familiar at a whole range of ways, whether

(44:52):
historically or from our time in with UH espionage and
sabotage operations. Around the world, right, I mean, this is
neither of us have ever seen, I would assume anything
like this. I mean this is a first What do
you think about what Israel has pulled off here?

Speaker 7 (45:09):
Well, I mean look, at first of all, it's a
you know, setting aside. I'm sure what's going to be
lots of international condemnations, you know about Oh my god,
this is you know, asymmetric warfare. How dare you step
outside the norms of you know, traditional warfare conduct. You know,
from an operational perspective, it's it's very sophisticated, very impressive,

(45:30):
regardless of who did it. I mean again, you always
kept a coveat this by saying, look, Israel has you know,
provided no comment.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Yeah, they neither confirm nor deny. But you know they
also say they don't have nukes.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I mean right, yeah, exactly so. But from a from
a sophistication standpoint, Look.

Speaker 7 (45:46):
You imagine what is involved here and actually sourcing the
contacts who can get you access to the communications gere,
both the pagers and the handheld radios. You know, it
was a far heavier lift than just the mechanics of
installing the explosives and you know, creating the triggering mechanism

(46:09):
for remote operations. So you know, the work that went
up to that point where they actually had access to
the gear is extremely impressive. They've they've done similar operations
like this in the past.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
They I think it was.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
Twenty twenty when they remotely took out an Iranian scientist.
And you know, there's been other situations you could even
go back to in a sense, you could go back
to Stucks and that, although that was more of a
cyber weapon, but there was still sort of an element
of physical access there that was required. But yeah, this

(46:45):
is this is an impressive operation. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
If you are Hesborne and let's pretend that you are
on their communications team, which I would imagine is is
in a rough spot right now. Now you've just had
the pagers. You now have had effectively the walkie talkies.
How in the world are they communicating right now? Are
they back to carry your pigeons? Can they trust them?

(47:12):
Is it just straight messengers? And more importantly, how much
do you think it creates a massive communication issue for
them in terms of just their ability to respond.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah, it creates a real logistics issue for them.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
I think, you know, first and foremost, there's an element
here that they're trying to create paranoia, and that's a
good thing when you're dealing with a terrorist organization or
you're dealing with a group that you're targeting, you know,
go back to the days of the ira or you know,
current times, the cartels, whomever it is. You're trying to

(47:50):
create an element of fear that they don't know who
they can trust within their own organization at that point,
and the Iranian regime has felt that recently with some
of the operations that have taken place inside Tehran. So
that I think is a really important component of all
of this from you know, from just a strict communications standpoint. Look,

(48:12):
they're the irony here, you know, not to make light
of this, but the irony is that they were able
to target these devices because over the past several months,
has Blot decided they needed to dumb down their communications approach,
so they put out command you know, most of the fighters,
the officials of the leadership groups stopped using cell phones

(48:36):
because they started to get indications that those were corrupted
by the Israeli services, and so they went to dumb
down this and that's why they were going to pages,
which they've used in the past, but they started to
use them more handheld radios for more communication to try
to make things more secure. So where do they go
from here? Look, I mean your next step is kind

(48:56):
of what al Qaeda used to do when they were
really dumbing things down, and it was handwritten notes and personal,
you know, face to face communication between you know, okay,
you're my cousin, I can trust you, and so it slows.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Things down immeasurably.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
So when you look at this, what happens next? And
wouldn't you imagine in addition to the communications issues, it's
not only what's going on with Hesbola. Wouldn't you imagine
that Hamas is looking around pretty nervous. We know that
Israel has been very effective at trying to slow down
Iran's pursuit of a of a nuclear weapon? What do

(49:33):
you think those entities are doing?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Are they? I would be honest, if I were.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Them, I'd be like, all of our pagers are out, Like,
let's get rid of everything, because if they did this
to them, we got to source everything and redo our
entire communication strategy. Doesn't don't you think this light likely
extends beyond Hesbola and everybody who is in a foe
of Israel right now is basically re constituting their entire

(49:58):
communication networks as well.

Speaker 7 (50:00):
Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought up Iran right because
this is a pop down structure and Iran is is
the puppet master here and and they've created this, this ring,
this network of terror properties and they all share the
same often stated objective of Iran, which is to remove
Israel from from the map.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
So yes, there.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
There is I guarantee you right now there is coordination
going on between the IRGC liaison that deal with Kamas
and and Hesbela, the Husis, some of the militias that
are sitting in Iraq, islam as Jihad and uh they
are looking at you know, how they're going to handle
their communications because it doesn't just impact as you pointed out,

(50:40):
it doesn't just impact Hezbola. This is they're all back
finance trained resource by the same uh you know group,
which is the Iranian regime and the IRGC. So yeah,
this is a this is a big issue for them.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Obviously.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Now they've got to figure out, you know, how do
they go from here? And and again I go back to
the same point, which is part of this operation is
undoubtedly designed to create this paranoia within these organizations, and
that can sometimes create outher opportunities to create movement. He
creates shifts in protocols and planning and strategy and resources,

(51:16):
and so those also open up operational opportunities to take
advantage and identify and target individuals and elements of these organizations.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's being a Mike Baker pdb as his podcast, which
you can listen wherever you get your podcasts. It's doing
great guy who brings real expertise and time not just
in the agency but in the scary places, doing the
real work to bear on what he's talking about day
and day out. And Mike, I'm just wondering, I don't know.
You don't have to confirm or deny if you've been

(51:47):
talking to Trump or anybody in his orbit recently about anything,
but if you were going to advise who will be
our hopefully next president of the United States on the
way to handle this aspect divide policies. Specifically, this Israel
Hamas has bol a situation Iran in the background, and
there's this sense that, oh my gosh, I could escalate,

(52:08):
it could escalate at any time more than already has.
What would you tell the next potus? What would you
tell President Trump if he said, Mike, what do I
do to get things squirret away?

Speaker 7 (52:19):
Well, first, they've got to jelf the idea of appeasement
with Iran, with this Iranian regime. I'm not talking about
the population, of course, or whatever. A lot of the
population would love to see the Iranian regime go, as
well as with the Saudis and the Jordanians and a
variety of other players in that region. But I would say,
you've got to get rid of this concept of appeasement
and somehow they're going to join the Community of Nations.

(52:40):
This regime in the IRGC, which is an extremely influential
element of the Iranian government, they've got their hands in everything,
and we've got to go back to maximum sanctions.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
We've done it before, right, you have.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
To literally starve the regime out right, And does that
create a hardships for the people?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
It does?

Speaker 7 (53:01):
But longer term, does that create opportunity for a better
life for those people by you know, eventually at some
point this regime gets pushed aside, hopefully internally. You know,
the population finally has had enough, so I think you've
got to go back to maximum sanctions. And I think
we also you know that whoever is in charge next
needs to understand the danger involved and the deepening relationship

(53:25):
between Russia and Iran, because the Iranians aren't providing munitions
and drones and other hardware to the Russian Ukrainian war
effort pro bono. They're not doing it out of the
goodness of their hearts. They're doing it for a reason,
and that reason primarily is technology transfer, weapons transfer, and.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
The nuclear and even space technologies areas.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
So that is a very dangerous thing because that accelerates
the Iranian regime's efforts and no matter what they're saying,
the amounts of emgedery ranium that they're currently sitting on,
there's just no civilian purpose for that. So they are
moving towards their end goal, which is a weapons program,
and that has got to be stopped. And there's a

(54:08):
lot of players in the region again who would like
to see that happen as well. They understand that most
of the chaos and instability in the region is a
result of this current Irian regime and.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
The IRGC forty some odd days until our election here
the one year anniversary coming up of the October seventh
TAMAS attack. What kind of significant odds or analysis would
you put on the table here that the Middle East
could become the October surprise or a major flashpoint in

(54:41):
terms of its ability to impact in some way what's
going to be a close American presidential election.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Do you think the.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Sides are quiet ish down the stretch or do you
think this remains a major geopolitical focus that could impact
our election as well?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Well?

Speaker 7 (55:01):
I think, you know, breaking it out into little bits
and pieces, like the Iranian regime, will you know, given
their druthers, will not do anything that could result in
a Trump victory.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
They would rather Iran would like Kamala to be in office.
That's fair to say, Israel would like Trump. Would you
say that's the general consensus in the Middle East?

Speaker 7 (55:24):
Yeah, that's the general that's the general feeling, right, And
so you know, if you if you if you take
that to a somewhat logical course, not to say that
the Iranians are on a logic train, but if you
did do that, then you would say, okay, they they
they won't do anything drastic between now and the election.
That could shift things to cause American voters think, you

(55:46):
know what, Actually, the Iranians are the key to the
problems here, and we need somebody strong.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
To deal with them.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
And oh, look, we've got a track record of the
former president dealing with them in a in a more
forceful aggressive way. We've got almost four years of the
Hair Biden administration appeasing them, so I think they'll they'll
be mindful of that. But look, this problem, we just
keep kicking the can down the road. Every time Anthony
blaken or anyone on the US side talks about, well,

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we just have to have this ceasefire.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
In Gaza in order to have peace, that's that's nonsense.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
You're putting lift stick on a pig, because nothing's ever
going to change in that region as long as the regime,
their audience, and their proxies that they've built have the
same end goal, which is the destruction of Israel. So
that's the problem that has to be dealt with at
the top. You know, just occasional you know, flare ups
and then a ceasefire that has a lot of ceasefire

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with with Kamas. Good God, we'll be talking about this
or grandkids will be talking about this, no.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Doubt appreciate the time. Fantastic analysis. He is Mike Baker.
We'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Take care of gay, take care of but.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Population of Israel, and high alert again anticipating an attack
of some type. You just heard us talk talking about
what exactly has been going on in the Middle East,
day in, day out, been that way since October seventh,
almost a year ago now, when their country was attacked
by Hamas terrorists. The fear of the next attack understandable.
We don't know how it will arrive, but we know

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that it is at some point coming. The International Fellowship
of Christians and Jews, that's the IFCJ, has been helping
to provide as many Israeli citizens as possible with food
and medicine for bomb shelter stays that can last for
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