October 10, 2024 • 32 mins
Buck Sexton is joined by David Harsanyi, senior columnist at The Washington Examiner. They dive into Kamala Harris's vulnerabilities as a candidate, questioning her ability to handle even softball interviews and the implications for the upcoming election. The conversation touches on Harris's inconsistent stances on issues like gun ownership and border security, leading to a broader discussion on the role of tribalism in modern politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief. David Harsanyi back with
us now. He is a senior columnist at the Washington Examiner.
He's also you got a book coming out, don't you,
David soon like the Conspiracy Book.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, the Rise of blewing On. It's still a still
a bit of way November, but yeah, coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's coming up. We'll talk about that.
But they're very exciting, all right. Yeah, let's let's.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I expect a lot of that to happen after the election,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, well, let's let's dive right into that.
I I can't say this enough to me. It was
it was apparent that Kamala Harris was losing ground in
recent weeks because the strategy of hide her from the
public was too just sort of dishonest and gross for
it to work in any meaningful way. Now I look
(01:09):
at it, and I say, but the strategy of having
or speak in public is also not a good strategy. David,
What is going on all this media all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What's terrible about it for her, I think is that
everyone with a brain knows that these are softball interviews,
and she can't even answer questions in that capacity, you
know what I mean, where they're just sort of giving
your questions that she knows she's going to be asked.
I mean, you know you're going to be asked about
the economy and what you do. Differently, you know you're
going to be asked about Israel and where you stand.
(01:41):
And yet she just offers up these words, ouads, these platitudes.
They make no sense. It's completely without any you know,
factual basis or any serious understanding of the issue she's
talking about. I don't think she's a stupid person, but
I don't know that she's particularly bright. But I feel
like maybe she is just scared to answer her question.
(02:03):
You know, she just can't. She's scared, or she doesn't know,
or she's forgotten what she believes. I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It really feel to me like she is such a
weak candidate that if if Donald Trump loses to her,
and you know, there are people who would say, well,
Trump has some particular vulnerabilities, and you know, we'll see,
but if Donald Trump loses to her, it will be
so demoralizing for Republicans because if Kamala Harris, with a
(02:32):
few months to campaign, can beat the Republican Party, to me,
it just means like their system, you.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Know, the.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Whole thing, like the whole machinery that Democrats have is
just currently superior to whatever Republicans can put forward because
she is a uniquely lacking candidate at a national level.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Listen, I think there are people out there who just
don't like Donald Trump and that you know, it just
is that way, and Democrats maybe have a better I'm
not an expert on issues of getting the vote out campaigns,
you know in states, and maybe they're better prepared for
this sort of thing. But the very idea, setting aside
their personalities and the things we don't like about the candidate,
(03:15):
it's the very idea that someone who is part of
the administration going right now, who did what they did
to our economy, who has left the world you know,
a flame, is not losing this race by like a
pretty big margin, just tells you that we're just very
tribal about politics probably and that it doesn't even matter
for a lot of people who's running, they're just going
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to vote party, you know what I mean. I can't
see any other way to view this.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, Well, to me, that just means that they can
have any Democrat run and the outcome is roughly the same,
Right it doesn't They could just pick somebody out of
the ranks of the Democrat elected officials and you have
a similar outcome. Becau Kamala Harrison, he's just not good
at this. So on the one hand, that's reassuring going
into the election. On the other hand, it's kind of
terrifying because if somebody, in my estimation, who's so lacking
(04:02):
in the skill set for this is still able to
win the presidency, that's pretty striking to me. Do you funny?
Clay asked me this on the radio show. I kind
of took Kamala at her word that she owns a
glock because I can't prove that she does it. So
I don't like to say someone's lying unless I know
they're lying. Clay's like, she's lying. He doesn't believe she
owns a gun, just full on, and he's like, I
(04:23):
don't buy it. Where do you come down on that?
And also just if she does own a gun, to me,
that raises some questions about, well, then why have you
taken some of the positions you have about other people
owning guns.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Hey, I wouldn't be surprised if she was lying, but
she was in law enforcement. Maybe it's along the way
she was threat Who knows why she might have one.
But I say this, so what, there are tons of
authoritarians who have guns. They want guns, They want you
to have guns. That's what the authoritarian doesn't want. So
to me that she has a gun does not change
my opinion or nor should change anyone's opinion of her positions.
(05:00):
One of her positions was that you can use an
executive order to take guns away from Americans, and that
is authoritarian. And I don't care how many guns she
has or doesn't have. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised me
at all she was lying about it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I just feel like it's also interesting that she's
whether it's the gun issue the border now she's a
border hawk. She even said she wanted to fill the
wall or she would complete the wall. Recently, everything about
Kamala Harris that we knew in public life until July
of twenty twenty four. We're supposed to just forget. It's
(05:35):
truly like amazing. It's like a Soviet rewriting of the
history of the last ten years of this person, and
no one's allowed to notice that that's what's going on.
That is exactly what is going on.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
An It's mind boggling. I would say, historically speaking, there
is no other presidential candidate who's changed there. I can't
even say she changed her mind, that flip positions on
so many major issues. And here's the thing, I don't
even buy that she flipped. I would not accept that
she flipped an issue. If I flip on something, I
changed my mind as a columnist, and I'm a nobody,
(06:09):
I explain why. If you don't explain why you took
the original position, if you don't explain your evolution to
the new position, then there's no reason for me to
accept that anything's changed or that you take real positions.
Does that make sense? I mean, just because she says
she has a new position, or a spokesperson says she
took a new position, really that should be accepted by
(06:29):
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of them do.
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to get get back into the political stuff. Well, this
actually ties into the political stuff, but the sort of
(07:40):
switching into it was the October seventh, one year anniversary yesterday,
and the marches that I'm seeing on the street of
these are Americans.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's one thing when you see crazy things happening in
like Middle East or Arab or Muslim countries and you're
just like, well, you know, we know how they feel
about the Jews and about Israel, so this is not surprising.
I mean, it doesn't excuse it, but it's just the
But when you see Americans doing this, like, what is
what is the thought process here for people marching with
(08:16):
Palestinian flags on October seventh? Uh? Like what do they
think they're accomplishing? What is the moral positioning they think
they have? Because I mean I truly watched this. I
had friends sending me videos of this from New York,
you know, from their office windows and stuff. So like,
these people just seem insane to me, Like this, this
seems like there's actually something wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I wish I had a good answer for it. I mean,
it's something that's been going on for thousands of years.
You know, I don't think it's changed. In fact, I
would say that in modern times there has been the
time of Karl Marx. Not to get too deep into
the weeds, there's been a connection between Islamists and Marxists,
did the Palestinian cause and the hard left, and now
(09:01):
it's just come together in a way where I feel
like people feel like they have permission to be antisemitic
because they just blame it on Israel this and that.
They're wearing terror, his headbands, they're flying his ball of
flags and Hamas flags. They justify the killing. And you say,
there are crazy people out there, and they see them
saying they sure do. But there are also a lot
of people in Ivy League universities, in the State Department,
(09:24):
in politics that agree with them. There are best selling
authors like Tanasi Coats who agrees with them.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Can we can we dive into that? Actually, people that
was gonna say that was the next thing I want
to ask you about. So I want to just just
just take that on right now. I watched that interview
I never heard of the CBS, and for those who
haven't seen it, I would recommend you go and watch it.
It's like a seven minute long interview. You can see
it on YouTube or wherever. And and Tana Hasei is
(09:54):
a ton of hase coats.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's ton.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He is. He's one of these guys who, particularly among
the white liberals that I know, they were like, this
guy is the is like the new Messiah of literature.
I don't know, maybe six years ago or something when
he came out with his book U that's basically a
screed against white racism, and it's like, oh my gosh,
like this is amazing. I've read a couple I will
tell you. I was in a coffee store and they
were selling a lot of these kinds of books. They
(10:19):
had like a reading rack, you know, and I read
a few pages of it. I really think it. I
was like, you got to be kidding me, right anyway.
But put that aside for a second. That's not surprising that,
you know, particularly white liberals find this fast, this this
style of literature, or this style of writing fascinating. The
guy knows nothing about the Middleage. I mean, he's truly
an ignoramus about the Arabisraeli conflict, about Middle East political dynamics,
(10:41):
about the history. But he went there. Uh, and now
he's writing a book about it. I mean, I've been there,
and I wouldn't write a book about Israel Palestine either.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And he's asked some normal questions from a guy who
clearly look I believe the anchor is Jewish. He's asking
me the questions, which has been pointed out by a
lot of people, and then he brought a bias to it.
David CBS has come out and said it didn't meet
editorial standards. They're saying you're not allowed to ask the
famous black author who basically he hates the state of
(11:10):
Israel and says it's in apartheid state. I mean, that's
if you say something in apartheid state, you're morally condemning
it in a very harsh way. And they're saying it
doesn't meet their editorial standards. What is the editorial standard
that you're not allowed to ask any questions like make
this make sense for me, or try to do.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well? The questions were the mildest questions, a question that
anyone who writes a book on something like this or
knows anything about this situation would easily be able to answer.
I read the book. I reviewed the book for those
who want to read it. I wrote a long review
on it. Let me just tell you, Yeah, let me
just tell you this. The whole book's not about Israel,
though a large section of it is. First of all,
(11:49):
it is not just anti Israel. He is anti Jewish.
But he's a complete racist. He judges everyone by the
color of their skin, which is the definition of racism.
And that's what his whole philosophy is. And you can
only see things through that prism. But let me tell
you this. Imagine someone wrote a book explaining the Palestinian
situation and the Israeli Palestinian War and didn't mention the
word hamas once in the book. Yes are fie in
(12:10):
the book, has ballin' out once in the book. He
uses the word terrorism once in the entire book, and
the word that it's attached to his Zionist terrorists talking
about nineteen forty eight. The book is a joke. He
is a complete midwidth. He is an ignoramus on this.
He would never debate or stand up to a debate
with anyone who would ask him a tough question. And
(12:31):
that's why they need to coddle him and do this
to a guy who asked him a very simple question.
Why in your book, did you know you don't even
mention the Palestinians engage in terrorism themselves or anything like that,
So I can't imagine. I mean, I listen, I'm I
just wish I was able to interview him and just
ask him a couple of questions because I feel like
(12:52):
he doesn't know anything and the idea that he is
now has this best selling book that millions of young
people reading. My kid had to read his book, not
this one, obviously, but in high school in just a
book of racism against white people that tells you that
your immutable characteristics, that your skin defines you, and that
you're a race. It's just among to me, and I
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think he's a perfect sort of symbol for the kind
of stupidity we're now engaged in instead of actual thinking.
And just because he's a nice writer and you can
turn a phrase doesn't make him a smart person. He
is not a person who who I think cares about
fas done any kind of real research. It's just all
emotional appeals. I mean, I don't know how else to say.
(13:33):
I hate it. I don't know if it came through,
but I hated this book. And I am not a fan.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, I'm interesting, so interested that you actually read it.
I mean, I'm not sure that I have the stomach
for it, So I appreciate it you did. I can
say that in the interview he looks like a moron.
I mean, he's just not he just doesn't know anything.
And the answer to how do you write a book
about the you know, the Israeli Palestinian conflict and not
mention Hamas and not mentioned terrorism, which is one of
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the things the anchors, the CBS anchor brought up with them,
and and to just basically say, well, it's apartheid, and
like that's the end of it. Apartheid is racist. They're racist.
It's apartheid, end of story. You sit there and you're like,
what is this guy?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
By the way, Yeah, no factual errors in that book.
There's a there's a there's a long list. I would say,
like fifty factual errors in that book about the Israeli situation.
He spent ten days there on on a literary you know,
U festival or something like that, and so it's terrible
in that sense. Now, I don't think he's a stupid person.
(14:32):
I shouldn't say that. I do think he's an incurious person.
I don't think he's actually curious about anything he sees.
He in that book says, Jerusalem reminds me of Charleston,
North Carolina, you know, with the with the South Carolina,
with the Confederate generals looking down at you know, at
the poor Palestinians, in this case, the Jewish people. He
doesn't even allow the Jews of any kind of connection,
(14:53):
even though under his feet is archaeol you know, archaeological
digs that find Jewish remnants of Jewish civilization there going
back a thousand years before Muslims ever showed back, if
not more so, he is just a fraud. And that's why,
that's why you see this action. He cannot debate anyone.
He will never have to debate anyone.
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buffoon in the inn, which which was very apparent to
anyone want Clearly it didn't go well for him because
CBS is now you know, they're having like a struggle
(16:19):
session officially. Have you seen this just actually just came out.
They need to have like a diversity educator come in
and talk about It's like a guy wrote a dumb book.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. He's really kind
of delusional. On the issue, can't answer questions, and now
CBS is like we need to have struggle sessions. What
the hell is wrong with CBS? You know, like you
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would you would think that they would see this as
I don't know journalism or just the basics of doing
some kind of a news interview, Like why are they
doing this?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, I think it speaks to a larger problem. Actually,
do you remember when Tom con wrote that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Op ed about Paul in the National Guard?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, yeah, sure, right, and there was a revolt of
the staff and like you know, they got the they
got the editorial board, editor page five guy fired and
all of that. And a similar thing happened when Kevin
Williamson began working at The Atlantic. I know if you
remember that, there was a revolt. But yeah, so it's
the same thing. It's there are a lot of editors.
(17:19):
People don't realize. It's not just look when you see
a columnist or you see a biased report somewhere, but
there are tons of editors, copy editors, other people, and
they're younger people. And these younger people they cannot take
anyone disagreeing with them or saying things they don't like,
and then they just want to shut down speech. It's
the opposite of what journalism should be about. And I
think this is just another case of that. I don't
know if you saw Gail King, who was another interviewer there.
(17:41):
I don't know if she asked any questions. I don't
think she did. Had given Tanasi Coates the questions she
was going to ask before the interview, which is completely
against any kind of journalistic ethic that any one who's
in the business, you know, everyone knows that. So but
she won't be reprimanded. I'm sure this guy will be.
I forget his name.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, I had never heard of this guy before, I'll
be honest with you, and I was like, oh wow,
you know, look at this guy over at CBS asking
asking some questions and because there was nothing, there was
nothing unfair or even aggressive in any of the questions.
He's just like, hey, man, like you wrote about this,
like you didn't even talk about the following, Like just
tell me why. And tana Hesse Coats is tana Hassi
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Coats is like because Israel is racist. That's basically it.
I mean, there's no and that's actually a better that's
a better version of his answer than what he gave right.
He kind of, you know, sparred around, and he actually
sounded like he got very nervous in the beginning of this, like,
oh my god, they're asking me real questions about this.
But I mean I would know any any the other
thing is, David, anybody with even like the vaguest like
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real understanding of the Jewish Palestinian or is rarely Palestinian
issues knows this is like you're stepping into it when
you decide that you're picking a side on this, right, Like,
people feel very passionately about this. That the idea that
you could write a book where you're like, well, one
side's totally wrong, and then everybody who sees it differently
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is just gonna sit there and say, well, wow, you've
been studying this for about five minutes, so like sure,
you know, like just just just let it rip. It
was it's amazing. It's actually I think it should get
a lot more attention than it has. It's gotten a
little bit of me attention, this whole thing. But the
fact that CBS is having the Struggle sessions and the
people are like, oh my gosh, how could we even
do this? Could you imagine how infantilizing, is it as well?
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This is supposed to be Au, This supposed to be
a leading American intellectual and author. You know, I'm sure
it's sold, you know, so many books. I mean, he's
probably gotten all kinds of prizes for that, you know,
between the world and the book, right, all kinds of everything. Oh,
shower of the praise. Brilliant guy. And he looked like
on this issue, just looked like, as you said, a
true ignoramus and unwilling. It's one thing as well, like
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they're pugnacious leftists who I think are really wrong, but
like they'll get in there and they'll fight. You know,
they'll make their case. And that doesn't mean that I
agree with them, but at least at least I'll give
them the respect of they'll make the case. This guy,
it felt like he didn't even It's like, what are you,
I mean, you're asking me any questions about that? I
don't know. It's like he's operating in an alternate universe
on this.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It reminds me a little bit of politics in the
sense of like Tim Wallas or even Kamala Harris, they're
never asked tough questions. So when they're actually asked a question,
they don't know how to react. And I think that
Tanasi Coats has been glorified by you know, a white progressive,
you know, upper class progressive. Those are the people who
buy his books, by the way, And you know, so
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when he's actually asked something, the guy was so polite,
he asked him a question about his book. I mean,
it's I don't it's unfathomable to me that people don't
know how to debate anymore. Now I'm not saying, you know, like,
if I write something and I believe it, you can
ask me any question you want on that topic, not
because I'm great or anything, because I've thought about it
and I'm ready to answer those questions. If you're not,
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I just don't understand how you can be a writer,
or a pundit or an intellectual. I mean, that's the
point of it. We're supposed to be arguing about these things,
and I don't think he can. Not many of them can,
because they're on the wrong side. Frankly, they're on the
side Hamas and that's by a place to be.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
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everybody was kind of like, Ah, you really need to
win Pennsylvania, not Minnesota, and Shapiro seemed like an obvious pick.
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And you have a problem right now in Michigan because
this is another thing. There's some bigotries that exist on
the on the in the Democrat world, on the left
that everyone just kind of accepts, like there may be
a certain demographic that has very regressive views on gays,
for example, within the Democrat Party that nobody ever talks
(23:05):
about it. You know, it's very interesting there certain groups
are allowed to have certain views and and it seems
like the Democrat Muslim voters of you know, dearborn Michigan
in the surrounding area are like allowed to just really
not like Jews and that's okay. And am I missing
something because it seems to me like they're trying to
(23:27):
they're just trying to pander to them and say, oh, yeah, sure,
we'll we'll stay we don't want to get we don't
want to have too much Jewish stuff going on here
in the Democrat Party in this election Michigan voters.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I mean, they're trying to have it both way. Yeah.
First of all, yes, I don't there's no rational reason
any political person would pick Tim Wallas, who's terrible, who's
been caught lying about everything from how his children were
conceived to his military service. Over Shapiro you might not
like or whatever, but he's sort of carved out a
centrist governance in Pennsylvania and he's somewhat popular, so if
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you want to win that Pennsylvania. But they're nervous about
the about Michigan and there is open anti Semim there
and they are trying to placid and modify those people.
There's no way around it. Just every time she talks,
it's this is why she can't answer. I don't know
if you saw that sixty minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Answer, Oh yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So the reason she can't answer that question is because
she doesn't want to lose the votes in Michigan. But
she also has to worry about Jewish voters to some extent.
I mean, listen, a lot of Jewish people are in
red state and areas she's not going to lose. But
you know, there's Pennsylvania, there's Florida, there's other places, and
she's just you know, all over the place. So I
think this administration has been the worst for Israel of
(24:44):
any in history. I think any Jewish person who sees
what's going on in the Democratic Party, where's Chuck Schumer.
You just talked about all these Hamas marches in New York,
Chuck Schumer, as he said a word about them. Now
they're scared to offend people who hate Jews, and you
know the trajectory of anti Semitism is the same, and
we're seeing it. Last year, you know, it was some
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through the same thing we did in Europe here and
because of His World's existence, there's not going to happen again.
And yeah, that's all I can say. I don't want
(25:30):
to sound too no realistic about this thing, but it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Did you see The New York Times even had a piece?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I watch Morning Joe every morning. I don't think I've
ever told I, Oh yeah, I mean I fast. I
watch it on like high speed or whatever. I watch
it kind of after an hour has passed, I can
skip to totally. But I want to know what I
kind of want to know what the enemy is thinking.
I mean, that's how I view it, and it is.
It gets me fired up from my radio shoe because
of the radio show too, because I'm just like, these
people are so dumb and they like Joe Scarborough is
(26:01):
such a fraud and Mika they are such elitist frauds.
The whole thing is a put on, like people can
like me or not like me. I sound exactly the
same about all of this stuff, whether I'm just hanging
out with friends or you know, with my wife and
walking around and talking to people as they do on
the radio. I mean, Joe's scarve, there're the whole thing
(26:22):
is a put on. But anyway, wait, I just got
so fired up about this. I I uh, I lost
my train of thought. Where where were you a second ago?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Was it about the sixty minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No New York New York Times. New York Times put
out this piece where where they're saying, yeah, there's the
Muslim support for Kamala Has like it's operated in Michigan,
and I mean one it's it's because they you know,
they don't like Jews and they don't like Israel. That
that's what's going on. But I also always want to
ask some of these voters that they talked to for
this New York Times piece, like what do you want
(26:53):
America to do here? Exactly? Like if you know, dude,
but do you know what I mean? Like what? Then
there's a whole other question too of like what does
Hamas even want? The people that are saying like, oh,
like Hamas is a resistance organization, we put that aside
for a second because I you and I know what
they want. But I'm just saying they'll never answer that question.
But what are the the Muslim voters of deer Bard.
By the way, there are Muslims who are going to
(27:14):
vote for Trump and who are not, you know, in
this category, to be very clear, in Michigan and elsewhere.
But those who are like hate Israel and therefore angry
at the Biden administration. I would see her. I'm like,
what do they think? Like, what is a good president
doing the circumstances? What do they think? Do you have
any idea on that? I honestly have no idea, just rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't think they'd be happy until I just don't
think they'd be happy until they were carpet bombing Tel
Aviv or something Americans, you know, I mean, that's what
would make them happy. I guess they want the United
States to stop aiding and selling weapons to Israel, just like,
for instance, when the Squad and other Democrats voted against
defensive weapons for Israel, which actually saved lives in the
long run. But I don't know what they want to,
(27:56):
you know. I mean it's getting to the point where
at some point in the Democratic art Party, and it's
not all Muslims, but many Muslim voters are going to
be and those Muslim voters are going to be more
important than Jewish voters, especially since a lot of the
Jewish community as it were, of course, have abandoned Judaism.
They don't care about Israel, They're not They're only Jews
(28:16):
in name only. I guess you'd say and you know,
subscribe to these far left appropriations of Judaism, approximations of Judaism.
They're not really you know, they don't care about Judaism
or Jews anymore. And that's the sad truth of it.
And those people will sometimes even be marching out there
with the people who wanted to see Israel destroyed.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So yeah, it's another fascinating part of this. I mean,
there are Jews who are out there marching with the
pro Hamas people in the streets. That is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, yeah, because they're not they're they're they're Jews like
Trotsky is Jewish, you know, they're socials, they're they've been
taken over by some left wing extremist views of the world,
and they're not critical of Israel. I love when people say, oh,
you can't be critical. Of course, you can be critical
of people critical of Israel in Israel. It happens everywhere.
But when you put on when you're pro Hamas, which
wants the which believe you know, from the river to
(29:08):
the sea and all of that stuff, and those are
things that people are channing, you're no longer a critical
of Israel. You decided that this one country where Jews
live doesn't deserve to exist and everyone else does. They're
not out there marching for Kurds, they're not marching against Chinese.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Everybody. You got, you got mostly Arab Muslim militias in
the South Sudan that are just raping and massacring right now.
Black Africans in by the thousands and thousands. No one
even I tell people that they don't even know what's happening,
never mind, aren't focused on them. They don't have no idea.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
There's all kinds of subjugation going on in the world
and bangled, you know, it happens everywhere, and they don't care.
They are focused on this one country that in my
view is sort of a bulwark of Western civilization there
and you know, by the way, has made peace with
almost every soon the Arab country. If it wasn't for Iran,
which funds Hamas has Balah, Hutis and Yemen and other
(30:07):
and Syria, there would be mostly be in the Middle
East right now. But yet what did Democrats do, What
does Biden do? What does what did Obama do? They
coddle Iran. They're pro Iran in many ways, and they
want to see a sort of balance there between Iran
and Israel. But Iran is a theocratic regime. They're not
a rational power. Why are they even attacking Israel? They
(30:28):
have literally no geopolitical reason to do that, you know
what I mean. So I don't know, and I'm all
over the place, But the point is that if you're
pro Israel and you care about that a lot, I
don't see how you can vote for a Democrat anymore.
I just don't. I in fact, Jewish to Jewish people,
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, I asked my Jewish friends that question all the time,
and I just and I got to tell you, I
did not. I think you might see a five percent,
maybe a ten percent increase in the Jewish vote for
Donald Trump. I don't think it's going to be bigger
than that. Do you do you think.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I've been here, I've been no. I've been hearing this forever,
and it never comes true. You know, the Jewish vote
for many reasons, for traditional reasons, where Jewish people were
in the urban areas where they they congregated. Me and myself,
I grew up in New York and I hardly knew
anyone who wasn't a Democrat. You know what I mean.
So I think that maybe there'll be less maybe fewer
(31:19):
Jews will come out to vote for Democrats. But I
don't think you're going to see a huge bump in
the Trump numbers, you know, And there are many reasons
you might not like Trump. That's fair, But that doesn't
mean that you can ignore what's going on right now
in the Democratic Party. If you're Jewish. I just don't
think you can.
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David Harsani of The Washington Examiner, we'll talk to you
again soon about that book you got coming out. Thanks
for your Tom today Man. Always good to see you.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Thanks for having me your conversation
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief. David Harsanyi back with
us now. He is a senior columnist at the Washington Examiner.
He's also you got a book coming out, don't you,
David soon like the Conspiracy Book.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, the Rise of blewing On. It's still a still
a bit of way November, but yeah, coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's coming up. We'll talk about that.
But they're very exciting, all right. Yeah, let's let's.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I expect a lot of that to happen after the election,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, well, let's let's dive right into that.
I I can't say this enough to me. It was
it was apparent that Kamala Harris was losing ground in
recent weeks because the strategy of hide her from the
public was too just sort of dishonest and gross for
it to work in any meaningful way. Now I look
(01:09):
at it, and I say, but the strategy of having
or speak in public is also not a good strategy. David,
What is going on all this media all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What's terrible about it for her, I think is that
everyone with a brain knows that these are softball interviews,
and she can't even answer questions in that capacity, you
know what I mean, where they're just sort of giving
your questions that she knows she's going to be asked.
I mean, you know you're going to be asked about
the economy and what you do. Differently, you know you're
going to be asked about Israel and where you stand.
(01:41):
And yet she just offers up these words, ouads, these platitudes.
They make no sense. It's completely without any you know,
factual basis or any serious understanding of the issue she's
talking about. I don't think she's a stupid person, but
I don't know that she's particularly bright. But I feel
like maybe she is just scared to answer her question.
(02:03):
You know, she just can't. She's scared, or she doesn't know,
or she's forgotten what she believes. I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
It really feel to me like she is such a
weak candidate that if if Donald Trump loses to her,
and you know, there are people who would say, well,
Trump has some particular vulnerabilities, and you know, we'll see,
but if Donald Trump loses to her, it will be
so demoralizing for Republicans because if Kamala Harris, with a
(02:32):
few months to campaign, can beat the Republican Party, to me,
it just means like their system, you.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Know, the.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Whole thing, like the whole machinery that Democrats have is
just currently superior to whatever Republicans can put forward because
she is a uniquely lacking candidate at a national level.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Listen, I think there are people out there who just
don't like Donald Trump and that you know, it just
is that way, and Democrats maybe have a better I'm
not an expert on issues of getting the vote out campaigns,
you know in states, and maybe they're better prepared for
this sort of thing. But the very idea, setting aside
their personalities and the things we don't like about the candidate,
(03:15):
it's the very idea that someone who is part of
the administration going right now, who did what they did
to our economy, who has left the world you know,
a flame, is not losing this race by like a
pretty big margin, just tells you that we're just very
tribal about politics probably and that it doesn't even matter
for a lot of people who's running, they're just going
(03:35):
to vote party, you know what I mean. I can't
see any other way to view this.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, Well, to me, that just means that they can
have any Democrat run and the outcome is roughly the same,
Right it doesn't They could just pick somebody out of
the ranks of the Democrat elected officials and you have
a similar outcome. Becau Kamala Harrison, he's just not good
at this. So on the one hand, that's reassuring going
into the election. On the other hand, it's kind of
terrifying because if somebody, in my estimation, who's so lacking
(04:02):
in the skill set for this is still able to
win the presidency, that's pretty striking to me. Do you funny?
Clay asked me this on the radio show. I kind
of took Kamala at her word that she owns a
glock because I can't prove that she does it. So
I don't like to say someone's lying unless I know
they're lying. Clay's like, she's lying. He doesn't believe she
owns a gun, just full on, and he's like, I
(04:23):
don't buy it. Where do you come down on that?
And also just if she does own a gun, to me,
that raises some questions about, well, then why have you
taken some of the positions you have about other people
owning guns.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Hey, I wouldn't be surprised if she was lying, but
she was in law enforcement. Maybe it's along the way
she was threat Who knows why she might have one.
But I say this, so what, there are tons of
authoritarians who have guns. They want guns, They want you
to have guns. That's what the authoritarian doesn't want. So
to me that she has a gun does not change
my opinion or nor should change anyone's opinion of her positions.
(05:00):
One of her positions was that you can use an
executive order to take guns away from Americans, and that
is authoritarian. And I don't care how many guns she
has or doesn't have. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised me
at all she was lying about it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I just feel like it's also interesting that she's
whether it's the gun issue the border now she's a
border hawk. She even said she wanted to fill the
wall or she would complete the wall. Recently, everything about
Kamala Harris that we knew in public life until July
of twenty twenty four. We're supposed to just forget. It's
(05:35):
truly like amazing. It's like a Soviet rewriting of the
history of the last ten years of this person, and
no one's allowed to notice that that's what's going on.
That is exactly what is going on.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
An It's mind boggling. I would say, historically speaking, there
is no other presidential candidate who's changed there. I can't
even say she changed her mind, that flip positions on
so many major issues. And here's the thing, I don't
even buy that she flipped. I would not accept that
she flipped an issue. If I flip on something, I
changed my mind as a columnist, and I'm a nobody,
(06:09):
I explain why. If you don't explain why you took
the original position, if you don't explain your evolution to
the new position, then there's no reason for me to
accept that anything's changed or that you take real positions.
Does that make sense? I mean, just because she says
she has a new position, or a spokesperson says she
took a new position, really that should be accepted by
(06:29):
anyone in the media, But of course, you know most
of them do.
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(07:40):
switching into it was the October seventh, one year anniversary yesterday,
and the marches that I'm seeing on the street of
these are Americans.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's one thing when you see crazy things happening in
like Middle East or Arab or Muslim countries and you're
just like, well, you know, we know how they feel
about the Jews and about Israel, so this is not surprising.
I mean, it doesn't excuse it, but it's just the
But when you see Americans doing this, like, what is
what is the thought process here for people marching with
(08:16):
Palestinian flags on October seventh? Uh? Like what do they
think they're accomplishing? What is the moral positioning they think
they have? Because I mean I truly watched this. I
had friends sending me videos of this from New York,
you know, from their office windows and stuff. So like,
these people just seem insane to me, Like this, this
seems like there's actually something wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I wish I had a good answer for it. I mean,
it's something that's been going on for thousands of years.
You know, I don't think it's changed. In fact, I
would say that in modern times there has been the
time of Karl Marx. Not to get too deep into
the weeds, there's been a connection between Islamists and Marxists,
did the Palestinian cause and the hard left, and now
(09:01):
it's just come together in a way where I feel
like people feel like they have permission to be antisemitic
because they just blame it on Israel this and that.
They're wearing terror, his headbands, they're flying his ball of
flags and Hamas flags. They justify the killing. And you say,
there are crazy people out there, and they see them
saying they sure do. But there are also a lot
of people in Ivy League universities, in the State Department,
(09:24):
in politics that agree with them. There are best selling
authors like Tanasi Coats who agrees with them.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Can we can we dive into that? Actually, people that
was gonna say that was the next thing I want
to ask you about. So I want to just just
just take that on right now. I watched that interview
I never heard of the CBS, and for those who
haven't seen it, I would recommend you go and watch it.
It's like a seven minute long interview. You can see
it on YouTube or wherever. And and Tana Hasei is
(09:54):
a ton of hase coats.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's ton.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He is. He's one of these guys who, particularly among
the white liberals that I know, they were like, this
guy is the is like the new Messiah of literature.
I don't know, maybe six years ago or something when
he came out with his book U that's basically a
screed against white racism, and it's like, oh my gosh,
like this is amazing. I've read a couple I will
tell you. I was in a coffee store and they
were selling a lot of these kinds of books. They
(10:19):
had like a reading rack, you know, and I read
a few pages of it. I really think it. I
was like, you got to be kidding me, right anyway.
But put that aside for a second. That's not surprising that,
you know, particularly white liberals find this fast, this this
style of literature, or this style of writing fascinating. The
guy knows nothing about the Middleage. I mean, he's truly
an ignoramus about the Arabisraeli conflict, about Middle East political dynamics,
(10:41):
about the history. But he went there. Uh, and now
he's writing a book about it. I mean, I've been there,
and I wouldn't write a book about Israel Palestine either.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And he's asked some normal questions from a guy who
clearly look I believe the anchor is Jewish. He's asking
me the questions, which has been pointed out by a
lot of people, and then he brought a bias to it.
David CBS has come out and said it didn't meet
editorial standards. They're saying you're not allowed to ask the
famous black author who basically he hates the state of
(11:10):
Israel and says it's in apartheid state. I mean, that's
if you say something in apartheid state, you're morally condemning
it in a very harsh way. And they're saying it
doesn't meet their editorial standards. What is the editorial standard
that you're not allowed to ask any questions like make
this make sense for me, or try to do.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well? The questions were the mildest questions, a question that
anyone who writes a book on something like this or
knows anything about this situation would easily be able to answer.
I read the book. I reviewed the book for those
who want to read it. I wrote a long review
on it. Let me just tell you, Yeah, let me
just tell you this. The whole book's not about Israel,
though a large section of it is. First of all,
(11:49):
it is not just anti Israel. He is anti Jewish.
But he's a complete racist. He judges everyone by the
color of their skin, which is the definition of racism.
And that's what his whole philosophy is. And you can
only see things through that prism. But let me tell
you this. Imagine someone wrote a book explaining the Palestinian
situation and the Israeli Palestinian War and didn't mention the
word hamas once in the book. Yes are fie in
(12:10):
the book, has ballin' out once in the book. He
uses the word terrorism once in the entire book, and
the word that it's attached to his Zionist terrorists talking
about nineteen forty eight. The book is a joke. He
is a complete midwidth. He is an ignoramus on this.
He would never debate or stand up to a debate
with anyone who would ask him a tough question. And
(12:31):
that's why they need to coddle him and do this
to a guy who asked him a very simple question.
Why in your book, did you know you don't even
mention the Palestinians engage in terrorism themselves or anything like that,
So I can't imagine. I mean, I listen, I'm I
just wish I was able to interview him and just
ask him a couple of questions because I feel like
(12:52):
he doesn't know anything and the idea that he is
now has this best selling book that millions of young
people reading. My kid had to read his book, not
this one, obviously, but in high school in just a
book of racism against white people that tells you that
your immutable characteristics, that your skin defines you, and that
you're a race. It's just among to me, and I
(13:12):
think he's a perfect sort of symbol for the kind
of stupidity we're now engaged in instead of actual thinking.
And just because he's a nice writer and you can
turn a phrase doesn't make him a smart person. He
is not a person who who I think cares about
fas done any kind of real research. It's just all
emotional appeals. I mean, I don't know how else to say.
(13:33):
I hate it. I don't know if it came through,
but I hated this book. And I am not a fan.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, I'm interesting, so interested that you actually read it.
I mean, I'm not sure that I have the stomach
for it, So I appreciate it you did. I can
say that in the interview he looks like a moron.
I mean, he's just not he just doesn't know anything.
And the answer to how do you write a book
about the you know, the Israeli Palestinian conflict and not
mention Hamas and not mentioned terrorism, which is one of
(13:57):
the things the anchors, the CBS anchor brought up with them,
and and to just basically say, well, it's apartheid, and
like that's the end of it. Apartheid is racist. They're racist.
It's apartheid, end of story. You sit there and you're like,
what is this guy?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
By the way, Yeah, no factual errors in that book.
There's a there's a there's a long list. I would say,
like fifty factual errors in that book about the Israeli situation.
He spent ten days there on on a literary you know,
U festival or something like that, and so it's terrible
in that sense. Now, I don't think he's a stupid person.
(14:32):
I shouldn't say that. I do think he's an incurious person.
I don't think he's actually curious about anything he sees.
He in that book says, Jerusalem reminds me of Charleston,
North Carolina, you know, with the with the South Carolina,
with the Confederate generals looking down at you know, at
the poor Palestinians, in this case, the Jewish people. He
doesn't even allow the Jews of any kind of connection,
(14:53):
even though under his feet is archaeol you know, archaeological
digs that find Jewish remnants of Jewish civilization there going
back a thousand years before Muslims ever showed back, if
not more so, he is just a fraud. And that's why,
that's why you see this action. He cannot debate anyone.
He will never have to debate anyone.
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thing for a tanahse Co it's to be a complete
buffoon in the inn, which which was very apparent to
anyone want Clearly it didn't go well for him because
CBS is now you know, they're having like a struggle
(16:19):
session officially. Have you seen this just actually just came out.
They need to have like a diversity educator come in
and talk about It's like a guy wrote a dumb book.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. He's really kind
of delusional. On the issue, can't answer questions, and now
CBS is like we need to have struggle sessions. What
the hell is wrong with CBS? You know, like you
(16:40):
would you would think that they would see this as
I don't know journalism or just the basics of doing
some kind of a news interview, Like why are they
doing this?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, I think it speaks to a larger problem. Actually,
do you remember when Tom con wrote that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Op ed about Paul in the National Guard?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, yeah, sure, right, and there was a revolt of
the staff and like you know, they got the they
got the editorial board, editor page five guy fired and
all of that. And a similar thing happened when Kevin
Williamson began working at The Atlantic. I know if you
remember that, there was a revolt. But yeah, so it's
the same thing. It's there are a lot of editors.
(17:19):
People don't realize. It's not just look when you see
a columnist or you see a biased report somewhere, but
there are tons of editors, copy editors, other people, and
they're younger people. And these younger people they cannot take
anyone disagreeing with them or saying things they don't like,
and then they just want to shut down speech. It's
the opposite of what journalism should be about. And I
think this is just another case of that. I don't
know if you saw Gail King, who was another interviewer there.
(17:41):
I don't know if she asked any questions. I don't
think she did. Had given Tanasi Coates the questions she
was going to ask before the interview, which is completely
against any kind of journalistic ethic that any one who's
in the business, you know, everyone knows that. So but
she won't be reprimanded. I'm sure this guy will be.
I forget his name.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, I had never heard of this guy before, I'll
be honest with you, and I was like, oh wow,
you know, look at this guy over at CBS asking
asking some questions and because there was nothing, there was
nothing unfair or even aggressive in any of the questions.
He's just like, hey, man, like you wrote about this,
like you didn't even talk about the following, Like just
tell me why. And tana Hesse Coats is tana Hassi
(18:24):
Coats is like because Israel is racist. That's basically it.
I mean, there's no and that's actually a better that's
a better version of his answer than what he gave right.
He kind of, you know, sparred around, and he actually
sounded like he got very nervous in the beginning of this, like,
oh my god, they're asking me real questions about this.
But I mean I would know any any the other
thing is, David, anybody with even like the vaguest like
(18:49):
real understanding of the Jewish Palestinian or is rarely Palestinian
issues knows this is like you're stepping into it when
you decide that you're picking a side on this, right, Like,
people feel very passionately about this. That the idea that
you could write a book where you're like, well, one
side's totally wrong, and then everybody who sees it differently
(19:09):
is just gonna sit there and say, well, wow, you've
been studying this for about five minutes, so like sure,
you know, like just just just let it rip. It
was it's amazing. It's actually I think it should get
a lot more attention than it has. It's gotten a
little bit of me attention, this whole thing. But the
fact that CBS is having the Struggle sessions and the
people are like, oh my gosh, how could we even
do this? Could you imagine how infantilizing, is it as well?
(19:31):
This is supposed to be Au, This supposed to be
a leading American intellectual and author. You know, I'm sure
it's sold, you know, so many books. I mean, he's
probably gotten all kinds of prizes for that, you know,
between the world and the book, right, all kinds of everything. Oh,
shower of the praise. Brilliant guy. And he looked like
on this issue, just looked like, as you said, a
true ignoramus and unwilling. It's one thing as well, like
(19:54):
they're pugnacious leftists who I think are really wrong, but
like they'll get in there and they'll fight. You know,
they'll make their case. And that doesn't mean that I
agree with them, but at least at least I'll give
them the respect of they'll make the case. This guy,
it felt like he didn't even It's like, what are you,
I mean, you're asking me any questions about that? I
don't know. It's like he's operating in an alternate universe
on this.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It reminds me a little bit of politics in the
sense of like Tim Wallas or even Kamala Harris, they're
never asked tough questions. So when they're actually asked a question,
they don't know how to react. And I think that
Tanasi Coats has been glorified by you know, a white progressive,
you know, upper class progressive. Those are the people who
buy his books, by the way, And you know, so
(20:36):
when he's actually asked something, the guy was so polite,
he asked him a question about his book. I mean,
it's I don't it's unfathomable to me that people don't
know how to debate anymore. Now I'm not saying, you know, like,
if I write something and I believe it, you can
ask me any question you want on that topic, not
because I'm great or anything, because I've thought about it
and I'm ready to answer those questions. If you're not,
(20:57):
I just don't understand how you can be a writer,
or a pundit or an intellectual. I mean, that's the
point of it. We're supposed to be arguing about these things,
and I don't think he can. Not many of them can,
because they're on the wrong side. Frankly, they're on the
side Hamas and that's by a place to be.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
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how effective they are, I think you'll really want to
have one in your home defense repertoire, David, they didn't
pick Shapiro, and we were more or less told this
story that it was because Kamala really liked Walls, but
everybody was kind of like, Ah, you really need to
win Pennsylvania, not Minnesota, and Shapiro seemed like an obvious pick.
(22:43):
And you have a problem right now in Michigan because
this is another thing. There's some bigotries that exist on
the on the in the Democrat world, on the left
that everyone just kind of accepts, like there may be
a certain demographic that has very regressive views on gays,
for example, within the Democrat Party that nobody ever talks
(23:05):
about it. You know, it's very interesting there certain groups
are allowed to have certain views and and it seems
like the Democrat Muslim voters of you know, dearborn Michigan
in the surrounding area are like allowed to just really
not like Jews and that's okay. And am I missing
something because it seems to me like they're trying to
(23:27):
they're just trying to pander to them and say, oh, yeah, sure,
we'll we'll stay we don't want to get we don't
want to have too much Jewish stuff going on here
in the Democrat Party in this election Michigan voters.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I mean, they're trying to have it both way. Yeah.
First of all, yes, I don't there's no rational reason
any political person would pick Tim Wallas, who's terrible, who's
been caught lying about everything from how his children were
conceived to his military service. Over Shapiro you might not
like or whatever, but he's sort of carved out a
centrist governance in Pennsylvania and he's somewhat popular, so if
(24:02):
you want to win that Pennsylvania. But they're nervous about
the about Michigan and there is open anti Semim there
and they are trying to placid and modify those people.
There's no way around it. Just every time she talks,
it's this is why she can't answer. I don't know
if you saw that sixty minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Answer, Oh yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So the reason she can't answer that question is because
she doesn't want to lose the votes in Michigan. But
she also has to worry about Jewish voters to some extent.
I mean, listen, a lot of Jewish people are in
red state and areas she's not going to lose. But
you know, there's Pennsylvania, there's Florida, there's other places, and
she's just you know, all over the place. So I
think this administration has been the worst for Israel of
(24:44):
any in history. I think any Jewish person who sees
what's going on in the Democratic Party, where's Chuck Schumer.
You just talked about all these Hamas marches in New York,
Chuck Schumer, as he said a word about them. Now
they're scared to offend people who hate Jews, and you
know the trajectory of anti Semitism is the same, and
we're seeing it. Last year, you know, it was some
(25:08):
rationalization for this. Now there's just open celebration of October
seven all over the country and all the things that
you advertise, the pepper gun, the ar fifteen's. Jews should
be buying those things because in this country, thank God,
you can defend yourself and we're not going to go
through the same thing we did in Europe here and
because of His World's existence, there's not going to happen again.
And yeah, that's all I can say. I don't want
(25:30):
to sound too no realistic about this thing, but it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Did you see The New York Times even had a piece?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I watch Morning Joe every morning. I don't think I've
ever told I, Oh yeah, I mean I fast. I
watch it on like high speed or whatever. I watch
it kind of after an hour has passed, I can
skip to totally. But I want to know what I
kind of want to know what the enemy is thinking.
I mean, that's how I view it, and it is.
It gets me fired up from my radio shoe because
of the radio show too, because I'm just like, these
people are so dumb and they like Joe Scarborough is
(26:01):
such a fraud and Mika they are such elitist frauds.
The whole thing is a put on, like people can
like me or not like me. I sound exactly the
same about all of this stuff, whether I'm just hanging
out with friends or you know, with my wife and
walking around and talking to people as they do on
the radio. I mean, Joe's scarve, there're the whole thing
(26:22):
is a put on. But anyway, wait, I just got
so fired up about this. I I uh, I lost
my train of thought. Where where were you a second ago?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Was it about the sixty minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No New York New York Times. New York Times put
out this piece where where they're saying, yeah, there's the
Muslim support for Kamala Has like it's operated in Michigan,
and I mean one it's it's because they you know,
they don't like Jews and they don't like Israel. That
that's what's going on. But I also always want to
ask some of these voters that they talked to for
this New York Times piece, like what do you want
(26:53):
America to do here? Exactly? Like if you know, dude,
but do you know what I mean? Like what? Then
there's a whole other question too of like what does
Hamas even want? The people that are saying like, oh,
like Hamas is a resistance organization, we put that aside
for a second because I you and I know what
they want. But I'm just saying they'll never answer that question.
But what are the the Muslim voters of deer Bard.
By the way, there are Muslims who are going to
(27:14):
vote for Trump and who are not, you know, in
this category, to be very clear, in Michigan and elsewhere.
But those who are like hate Israel and therefore angry
at the Biden administration. I would see her. I'm like,
what do they think? Like, what is a good president
doing the circumstances? What do they think? Do you have
any idea on that? I honestly have no idea, just rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't think they'd be happy until I just don't
think they'd be happy until they were carpet bombing Tel
Aviv or something Americans, you know, I mean, that's what
would make them happy. I guess they want the United
States to stop aiding and selling weapons to Israel, just like,
for instance, when the Squad and other Democrats voted against
defensive weapons for Israel, which actually saved lives in the
long run. But I don't know what they want to,
(27:56):
you know. I mean it's getting to the point where
at some point in the Democratic art Party, and it's
not all Muslims, but many Muslim voters are going to
be and those Muslim voters are going to be more
important than Jewish voters, especially since a lot of the
Jewish community as it were, of course, have abandoned Judaism.
They don't care about Israel, They're not They're only Jews
(28:16):
in name only. I guess you'd say and you know,
subscribe to these far left appropriations of Judaism, approximations of Judaism.
They're not really you know, they don't care about Judaism
or Jews anymore. And that's the sad truth of it.
And those people will sometimes even be marching out there
with the people who wanted to see Israel destroyed.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So yeah, it's another fascinating part of this. I mean,
there are Jews who are out there marching with the
pro Hamas people in the streets. That is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, yeah, because they're not they're they're they're Jews like
Trotsky is Jewish, you know, they're socials, they're they've been
taken over by some left wing extremist views of the world,
and they're not critical of Israel. I love when people say, oh,
you can't be critical. Of course, you can be critical
of people critical of Israel in Israel. It happens everywhere.
But when you put on when you're pro Hamas, which
wants the which believe you know, from the river to
(29:08):
the sea and all of that stuff, and those are
things that people are channing, you're no longer a critical
of Israel. You decided that this one country where Jews
live doesn't deserve to exist and everyone else does. They're
not out there marching for Kurds, they're not marching against Chinese.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Everybody. You got, you got mostly Arab Muslim militias in
the South Sudan that are just raping and massacring right now.
Black Africans in by the thousands and thousands. No one
even I tell people that they don't even know what's happening,
never mind, aren't focused on them. They don't have no idea.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
There's all kinds of subjugation going on in the world
and bangled, you know, it happens everywhere, and they don't care.
They are focused on this one country that in my
view is sort of a bulwark of Western civilization there
and you know, by the way, has made peace with
almost every soon the Arab country. If it wasn't for Iran,
which funds Hamas has Balah, Hutis and Yemen and other
(30:07):
and Syria, there would be mostly be in the Middle
East right now. But yet what did Democrats do, What
does Biden do? What does what did Obama do? They
coddle Iran. They're pro Iran in many ways, and they
want to see a sort of balance there between Iran
and Israel. But Iran is a theocratic regime. They're not
a rational power. Why are they even attacking Israel? They
(30:28):
have literally no geopolitical reason to do that, you know
what I mean. So I don't know, and I'm all
over the place, But the point is that if you're
pro Israel and you care about that a lot, I
don't see how you can vote for a Democrat anymore.
I just don't. I in fact, Jewish to Jewish people,
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, I asked my Jewish friends that question all the time,
and I just and I got to tell you, I
did not. I think you might see a five percent,
maybe a ten percent increase in the Jewish vote for
Donald Trump. I don't think it's going to be bigger
than that. Do you do you think.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I've been here, I've been no. I've been hearing this forever,
and it never comes true. You know, the Jewish vote
for many reasons, for traditional reasons, where Jewish people were
in the urban areas where they they congregated. Me and myself,
I grew up in New York and I hardly knew
anyone who wasn't a Democrat. You know what I mean.
So I think that maybe there'll be less maybe fewer
(31:19):
Jews will come out to vote for Democrats. But I
don't think you're going to see a huge bump in
the Trump numbers, you know, And there are many reasons
you might not like Trump. That's fair, But that doesn't
mean that you can ignore what's going on right now
in the Democratic Party. If you're Jewish. I just don't
think you can.
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David Harsani of The Washington Examiner, we'll talk to you
again soon about that book you got coming out. Thanks
for your Tom today Man. Always good to see you.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Thanks for having me your conversation
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