October 11, 2024 • 39 mins
In this episode, Tudor speaks with political commentator Dinesh D'Souza about his latest film and book, 'Vindicating Trump.' They discuss Trump's journey from a cultural icon to a political figure, the sacrifices he has made, and the challenges he faces. D'Souza emphasizes the importance of understanding Trump's unique qualities and the political dynamics at play, including the corruption within the government and the military-industrial complex. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have Desuza
with me. He is a political commentator, author and filmmaker
who just released his newest film and accompanying book called
Vindicating Trump. Denesh, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was just saying, I watched the film, and I
think anybody who is in this political climate right now,
all of the people are sort of like focused on
what's happening. But if you've been watching Trump, and not
just in the political world, but if you've been watching
Trump for years, way back to when we all said,
oh my goodness, Donald Trump is in home alone, you know,
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it's like, for years we saw him as this figure
that was the American Dream, and you point that out
in the film. If that is your life, you got
to watch this. You got to see this because it's
so neat how it starts, and you see how I
mean almost the vilification of the American dream because you
remind us who he was.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I appreciate that, you know, I think, Tutor, at
the very beginning of this film, there is that iconic
scene which everybody remembers, Trump coming down the escalator at
Trump Tower. That was a very faithful moment because this
is how I interpreted. At the top of the escalator,
you have all the cultural elites like Oprah's there, Ellen
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de Generes, all the Hollywood people. They all love Trump,
they want to be seen with Trump. But then Trump
does something very interesting. He gets on the escalator, he descends,
he goes down. Now where does he go down to?
In my view, I kind of envision at the bottom
of the escalator like a lot of ordinary people who
have been kind of shunted aside by politics. You know,
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they've been neglected by both parties, their jobs have been
traded away, they feel a little screwed over. And so
these are people who look up the escalator and they go, wait,
who's this guy. He's not one of us, but he's
kind of taken up our cause. And so you can
see right there why there's this fierce attachment to Trump
on the part of people who have been neglected and
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see him as having come over to their side. Meanwhile,
from the point of view of the cultural elite at
the top of the escalator, they're like, where are you going.
You're betraying us. Why are you joining all these pitchfork
people and taking up their cause against us. So in
a glimpse you get an idea of why the same
people who adored him at one time sort of ruthlessly
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turned against him.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
The symbolism there, I've never really thought about that. The
symbolism of him going down the escalator was very important
because he was at the top. He was at the top,
with the elites at the top, with Hollywood at the
top in business, and yet we aren't there, the people
aren't there, We don't experience that every day. What the
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private jets, that lifestyle. They want us to worship that lifestyle.
And so when he came down the escalator, people were like, whoa, whoa,
we don't do that. We make them look up, we
make them look up. But he said, no, I'm going
to the people. And I think this is something that
really we need to think about and look at your state,
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look at your local politics. It is very hard to
get executives to step out of their role and serve,
and I really mean serve. You know, people look at
this and not oh he just wanted power. No, he
wanted to serve. And that is very different than what
it is to be the executive of a company and
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that's a challenge and on both sides. But the Democrats,
I think, build up people and then they create power.
They don't actually have any experience, they don't have any
business experience. They come from a place of knowing nothing
and are created by the powerful elites. This was someone
stepping out of an executive role and going into serve
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and it was like, this does not compute.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, and it's in some ways it still doesn't compute
because think about it this way, dude, or if you
or I were billionaires. We were in our seventies with
only a few years left. We have grandchildren, we have
mar Lago, we have this kind of beautiful life, and
we're facing on the other side of it all these
criminal charges, you know, two assassination attempts. I mean, the
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normal person would just go, I don't need any of this.
Let me just flee into my private life. All of
this would then go away. And so Trump nevertheless persists,
and I think it has to be. I can only
think of one explanation, namely that he thinks that the
country is in a dire strait and he thinks that
somehow he is the guy, the guy, maybe the only
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guy who can fix it, and that would explain why
he forges ahead in a very abnormal way. I mean,
I think, you know, any other Republican facing like three
criminal charges would be like out of there, fled the
field gone. So Trump is in that sense quite an
unused ual man in a manner that I think I'm
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not even sure that some of his supporters fully recognized.
Now his enemies recognize his power, and that's really why
they're after him and him alone. Like you might have
to ask, like, here's a guy who goes seventy five
years no criminal charges, then the year he's running to
be president the second time, ninety one criminal charges. I mean,
on the face of it, that is suspect, and it
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shows that he's Trump is sort of like the guy
who comes over the mountain in the Western movie and
the gangsters recognized right away, you know what, that's our
problem right there. That's the guy we got to get.
We don't have to worry about the old sheriff for
the old guy who runs the saloon, but the outsider,
the newcomer, is a real threat to us.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You have that in the movie, and I think that
was so powerful because part of what you say, is
he has the option to join the gang, and yet
he doesn't. He fixes things and he leaves. And you
said something just now, he said, I don't think his
supporters really understand what it is to give up everything
and be in the situation that he's in and have
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all of these convictions. But his enemies do. And that
to me is incredibly powerful, because you know, when you're
in this industry, you talk to people all the time,
and I think that they don't realize the machine. And
there's corruption on both sides of the political machine, and
the Republican side is not is not without corruption, which
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is why even on the you point out at the
beginning of the movie that even on the Republican side,
they're like, oh no, no, no, no, this guy can't be serious,
Like he's not coming into this realm. And you see
kind of the consultant class and all these people that
are like, we're not going we choose, we choose. And
I found this running for office myself. It's like, you
don't step into this race. You're not welcomed to step
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into this race if you haven't been groomed by the
people who say we choose. And it's a very hard
place to be, and I think I appreciate what he's
done so much because it has shown the other people
that it's not easy. It's not that I had this
naive view of running for office, like the good people
run because they want to serve, and then you get
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into it and you go, wow, there's a few people
like that, and he has exposed that in a way.
I don't think anybody knew it, and like you said it,
I don't think that people fully understand it now. But
there was a I've seen Don Junior speak a few
different times, and one of the things he says is
we had all these friends. Everybody loved us, and we
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knew the minute he stepped onto that escalator that would
all change. But no one could have imagined how significant
the change would be. And I think that's true. I mean,
even on a small scale, if you step out of
that people's comfort zone and you run for office, you
take a risk of losing people. I had a friend
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of mine who I visited it over the summer and
she said, it took me two years to have you
to my house. Why because I ran for office. That's it.
She didn't like my policies.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I think What it is is you realize after a
while that the if you're a threat to consolidating an
established regime, they will go after you with everything they have.
And then you have two ways to go. You can
either crumble, which happens to a lot of people, or
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you experience a certain sense of liberation in which you
basically go, all right, it's like all bets are off.
It's now like a free fight in the open battlefield.
I'm just kind of have to go like braveheart on
these guys, you know. And I think that's what's happened
to Trump. This is the only way to explain his
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utterly abnormal reaction to the two assassination attempts. I mean,
no normal person says things like, you know, I'm a
little annoyed that I was pulled off the golf course.
I was about to make an a shot. You know,
I may not be in the same form if I
come back later to do it when you have a
guy two holes down who's like planning to assassinate you.
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So Trump, I think, has experienced this sense of freedom
that comes from the idea that they've tried everything, They've
thrown everything at him. The other thing about it is
he actually is. I would call him a bullies bully,
by which I mean he's a guy who knows how
to bully the bully. Now, I noticed that Trump never
bullies people who are beneath him. He'll never see him
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bully like a doormat. He'll never bully a cab driver.
He doesn't bully people who are waiting on him. He's
very kind to those people. And in fact, even though
people say, who's such an ego maniac, he's such a narcissist,
I've actually seen Trump and he expresses very particular interest
in people like, hey, tutor, I notice that your son
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just did an exam. How did that turn out?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
In other words, he is in private, he's quite self deprecating,
easy going, not the narcissists that you might expect him
to be. Now in public, he is this kind of
bombastic salesman. I mean, his rallies aren't just big, they're
like the biggest rallies ever assembled. His burgers at Marlaga
aren't just good, they're like the tastiest burgers ever made.
(10:15):
I mean, there's a kind of a cartoon element to
all that. But I think if you see Trump in
that almost comedic light. You can look at it. The
left pretends to take even his quip seriously. He said
he's going to be dictator for a day. Look, he
admitted it. That kind of nonsense when Trump clearly is
doing a little bit of stand up when he's when
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he's performing before the American public.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I mean you even note that in the documentary about
the guys watching his speech and on saying, this isn't scripted.
He's just saying whatever he wants. And I think he
broke that machine. He broke the machine of say the
same script everywhere you go, always say the same thing.
And you see that real clear divide right now. You
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see Harris going out and she never deviates from the script.
He says whatever he wants, and sometimes that does get
him in trouble. I think the majority of Americans look
at that and go, I'm glad that I know where
he stands. I'm glad that I know who he is.
I think he also brings us back to a time
when there was this masculinity around. I'm not going to
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let them get me down. I'm not going to show
when I'm when I'm being attacked. I'm not going to
show that it is painful. I'm sure it is. I'm
sure that it gets to him, but you don't see
that on the world stage. And I think that's critical
right now because we're at a time where people are
expressing everything they want to be out on TV all
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the time, social media, TikTok, they want to have all
these videos, and there aren't a whole lot of strong
male role models. And maybe some people will say, oh,
I don't think of him as a role model, but
I think you have to see that he says things like,
you don't want someone who's weak. You don't want someone
who who's going to run off the stage. You don't
want someone who fears people. There is a reality to
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the power that is in just the ability to face
danger and keep going. And certainly when you have someone
who is looking at nuclear powers pointing their weapons toward
the United States, certainly don't want someone who cowers in fear. No.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think that, you know, true masculinity, like true femininy.
Femininity is actually a beautiful thing to see. But true
masculinity is not the caricatured version that the left creates
to make it seem like it's always toxic. So when
you look at Trump, for example, he's clearly very strong
in certain ways. He will speak openly about like threatening putin, Hey,
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if you go into Ukraine, there's going to be consequences
and so on. He will talk like that at the
same time. You know, at a recent rally he said
something very interesting. He said, you know, I don't know
what this Kim Jong Lun. I don't know what his
problem is. He's got nuclear weapons, Like how many does
the guy need? He's like, this guy needs to go
to a baseball game, you know, he needs to put
on a baseball cap. He needs to chill out right now.
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This is Trump. On the one hand, he has this
sort of masculine toughness, but on the other hand, he
also has this kind of relatability. I mean, the last
time I saw this it was between Reagan and Gorbachev.
Because if I flashback, even the neo conservatives called Reagan
a fool. They're like, Reagan's being suckered by the Soviet Union.
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All Soviet leaders are exactly the same. Gorbachev is a
carbon copy of Andropov and Chernenko and Brezhnev and all
the others. And Reagan was like, actually, no, you know,
he's a different he's a different generation, he's a different guy.
I think I can get through to him. So this
is masculinity in its complex dimensions. There is a strength
to it, but there is also a relatability and a
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gentleness to it. And I think I seeing Trump on
different occasions both those facets well.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And I think you make a great point that he said,
I think I can get through to him. Let's take
a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor
Dixon podcast. Right now, we see a Democrat party who
is not trying to get through to anyone, is not
trying to have any type of diplomatic discussion. I mean,
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my goodness, you have the governor of Pennsylvania signing bombs.
This is a new this is a new Democrat party.
And I think that's what Trump has been pointing out,
is like, look, we are the party of peace. Yeah. Sure,
I try to have relationships with these people because at
the end of the day, I would rather discuss a
peaceful solution than go out there and bomb. And that
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is not what Obama did. That is not what past
presidents did. That's not how they handled things. They were
certainly like okay, I'll send out the drones, I'll bomb
the innocent people. You've got Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania,
signing bombs. Donald Trump is saying, let's sign peace treaties.
We've got Josh Shapiro signing bombs. And I spoke to
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some women who were Democrats the other day. I said,
your party used to be the anti war party, and
I felt like that was one of the best parts
about your party was that you were very anti war,
but you're not. Now you're literally signing bombs. Oh no, no, no,
that couldn't have happened. That video is not real. One
of the women said, no, I think that actually happened. Yeah,
it did.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We are now a country that funds other people's wars.
It's never been the design for America, and yet that
is the design that the Democrat Party is holding up
as and they're cheering it on, and they're trying to
get their base to cheer on funding war instead of
funding peace, funding war.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, as I think back to the Reagan years,
when I first worked in the White House in my
twenties and kind of cut my teeth politically, we were
very aware that government was a racket in a lot
of its domestic operations, a lot of waste, but also
a lot of corruption, a lot of a lot of
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double dealing in side deals, and a lot of people
who had incentives for government to grow kind of a
poverty industry, a welfare industry. However, we had a blind spot,
and that was in the defense area, because when we
turn to defense, there were all these reports about the
Defense Department spending four hundred dollars on a coffee pot,
and we'd be like, well, yeah, but you know what,
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we're fighting a cold war, so let's pretend not to
notice that. So however, one of the things that Trump
is exposed is, hey, listen, you know, to some degree,
war can also be a racket. Not that there aren't
ever justifications or good wars, but the truth of it
is a lot of times when we give aid to
another country, we're not giving it to them, We're giving
it to Lockheed and Boeing and Radio.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Was going to say, war is profitable for a lot. Really,
the funders of the political machine.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And these companies stand to make billions on a government contract.
So then they turn around and go, hey, listen, if
I give a candidate for office one million dollars. That's
like fifty cents out of the money I expect to
get out of this deal. And so all of this
is now, all of this was a little below the surface.
I also think that Trump is exposed the way in
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which supposedly neutral arms of government, the FBI, the CIA, military,
even the people in the white coach, the CDC, the
NIH people who no one thought these are the people who, like,
you know, tell us we need to have a you know,
a chest X ray. Who thought that those people would
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be ideologically manipulating things and saying things like we got
to do six speed of social distancing, even though there's
no scientific study that shows that, because guess what if
everybody's got to stand at least six feet away from
the next guy. Well, you can't run in elections the
normal way, can you?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Right? Absolutely well, and we saw, I mean, look at
Michigan the number of lawsuits that have been filed. Again
the Secretary of State here, and she changed, she was
changing the rules. She suddenly says when she was elected,
she said, the most secure election is based on the
signature match of the absentee ballance. And then she got
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rid of the signature match. I don't know why you
would have to get rid of that. I don't know
why a pandemic requires you to get rid of the
signature match. Now, the RNC, you also had Lara Trump
in the documentary, which I think was fascinating to watch
because she has been a leader in making sure that
these secretaries of state are actually following the law. And
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that's not too much to ask, you know, just follow
the law. Why is that so hard? And so they've
had to sue in Michigan, especially the Secretary of State.
I think they're up to eight or nine times now
because of all these rules that she had changed. She's
not following the constitution, she's not following the law. If
you're not following the law, there's a reason you're not
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following the law. I mean, look at the most recent
situation with rf Hey, RFK, he has to sue to
get on the Michigan ballot steps out of the race.
She won't let him off. The first court says, yeah,
you can. She appeals. Why if you just want a
legal opinion, if you just want to play it safe,
you have the legal opinion, you can then take him off.
You make sure that no one is disenfranchised that no
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one votes for someone who can't actually become president or
has chosen not to become president. But she leaves him on,
requires absolutely insists that he must stay on. Now, I
just feel like your viewers have to understand that as
we see states go blue, and I mean go from
purple to solid blue. You see states like Arizona where
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the secretary of state changes the rules, then runs her
own election to become governor and then she's really in
charge of changing the laws, you know, and signing in
bills and making things much more radical. Well, same in Michigan.
You have this secretary of state who has kept people
in power by changing the rules of the election. And
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we can't go back and say, well, where people actually
shure these absentee ballots, where the people if there's no
if there was no safety in place, can you be
confident in what she did? She says it was the
safest election, but was she really trying to make sure
it's the safest election? And now we know this same woman,
just like Katie Hobbs, will run for governor and run
her own election.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It is It shows a kind of a naive tea.
I think on our side, the reports side, namely that
we always thought and I always thought, Hey, listen, you
know it's election day. I march in, get behind the curtain,
cast my vote. Can I sit back the election day
find out the results. We assume that the process is
being conducted properly, that the count is being conducted properly.
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The Democrats have sort of paid minute attention to every
aspect of this process, like guess what, who opens those
absent the envelopes? Like a if there's an X sign
but it's slightly outside the box, who gets to decide
if that vote counts or not? And so all of
this stuff. The Democrats have become geniuses, really at manipulating
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the rules and unleveling the playing field, I think is
maybe a way to put it. And COVID, of course,
just presented them with a almost a god given opportunity
to carry this kind of manipulation to a whole new level.
And now they're trying to lock all that in so
the rules don't go back to the way that they
used to be. So in other words, emergency rules now
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remain and become permanent.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And how did we become so complacent? I really do wonder,
because years ago while around twenty twenty, my brother in
law was shopping at some antique store and he brought
out this book and it was this old book from
the eighteen hundreds and it was documenting all this voter frauds.
So certainly we know that people have always tried to
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manipulate elections always, and that's just human nature, and that's
why we have laws. And that, I mean, there's true.
There's if there were no laws, people would do anything right.
So that's why we have laws. I mean, it's just
that's common sense. But it was it was interesting because
this book from the eighteen hundreds was showing and they
actually had the ballots in there in these little envelopes.
The ballots were called tissue ballots, and they were very
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very thin. And the one side, which I will say
it said in the book, it was the Democrats would
be like, oh gosh, no, but it did you know,
the Republican side. They would put their ballot in and
then the Democrats would have them pushed together. They would
flatten them out so they were exactly together, and then
they would they would put them in and it would
be a carbon copyed a double vote, and they had
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to find they had to pull them apart and see,
oh wait, they're they're cheating by doing this. I mean,
this is the na this is human nature. Why on
earth did Republicans start saying exactly what you just said,
because I've been the same, Oh i'll vote on election date.
There's systems in place. We don't have that problem anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And I think we've also reached a point now where
we're facing a little bit of a different problem. Namely,
we have these Democrats, and this applies to the fifty
one intelligence officers with the Hunter Biden laptop, It applies
to the regimes of censorship. By and large, their view
is that is that they can do it to us
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because they know we will never do it to them,
because there are so many Republicans who say things like, well,
you know, we have to be principal. They want to
stack the court. We won't stack the court. They want
to weaponize the government against us, But we can't weaponize
the government against them because we're too principled, we're too decent.
And so as a result, our decency and passivity and
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turn the other cheek encourages their aggression because then they go, well,
there are no consequences for us will never be held accountable.
We will try to stack the court, but then those
guys will come in and they are wedded to nine.
They want nine justices. So then we get to try
again the next time, and we never have to face
the risk they will turn, if you will, the same
weaponry against us. So the Republicans, in that sense, I think,
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are viewed by the Democrats as being the party of
the namby pambies.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, but to a certain extent, it's true. We
wouldn't do that stuff. It's wrong. And you heard, I
mean even you when you interviewed Donald Trump in the documentary,
you said you could have gone after Hillary Clinton. He's yeah,
I could have. I didn't think it was right, and
I wouldn't do it. And there's nobody on the other
side who's coming out and saying that, because it's exactly
the opposite. They have gone after him every which way
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they've campaigned. They've openly said it. It's not even a question.
It's not like we're wondering did they do something nefarious.
They've campaigned on doing something nefarious. You bring up the
fact that Hillary Clinton was busted for paying for the
dossier for asking for the dossier. I mean, this is
a whole plan. This was election interference at its finest.
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This was someone who who threw out false stories about
a presidential candidate and tried to win and she got
what an eight thousand dollars Fine, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And not just false stories. I mean think about what
she was saying. I mean, one thing, if she said, oh, well,
you know Trump, you know he had an affair with
a playboy model a long time ago, No, she was
basically saying, I have proof that Trump is a Russian asset.
In other words, Trump is a pawn of a foreign power.
And this not only has an impact on whether you
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vote for him, but it has an impact about whether
we treat him as a normal and legitimate president once
he has been legitimately elected. So this was an effort
to discredit not just an election in a way, but
a presidency, and to a large degree it worked. Trump
the whole first term was plagued by these ongoing investigations NonStop,
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and yet it is pretty remarkable that he accomplished quite
a lot. One of the things I pointed out in
the film was even though people say about Trump, you
know and I just saw George Conway on a recent show.
He's like, Trump only cares about himself. He's never shown
that he will ever care about anything other than himself
feel you know, not the country, not even his own supporters.
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And I'm thinking to myself, all right, well, let's test
that idea. You know, because when COVID first came along,
Trump had this roaring economy. It was carrying him on
his surfboard to reelection almost inevitably. And yet when Fauci
and all the guys and the white coats came to
Trump and said, listen, there's a pandemic. You need to
shut down the economy at least temporarily, Trump was like,
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you know what, let's do it. In other words, Trump
jeopardized his own election knowingly, and obviously the only motive
for that was that he cared about the lives and
health of the American people, and he said, my election
and reelection chances, well, we'll worry about that later. So
that is not the mark of somebody who only cares
about themselves, because that person would have reacted very differently.
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you don't have a lot of people who walk out
of the executive life and the executive lifestyle to run.
If he only cared about himself, he would have never
stepped on that escalator. He would never have taken this
journey because it is not an easy journey. It is
not a journey for people who want to be praised
and loved, because you get more hate than you get love.
I assure you, it is a hard journey. It is
(28:45):
a humbling journey. It is not not for the meek
and mild. It is not for someone who is a
narcissist and just can't get past themselves. And I think
he's proven that it's not it's not that. And he's
continued to fight through all of these indictments and these
convictions and everything else that they say, oh, now he's
a convict, he's a felon, he's this that, and yet
(29:08):
he's none of those things. And he continues to fight
against all of that narrative. And it's not. It's certainly
not easy. It's certainly not easy when you are Trump.
But let me ask you this, do you think it continues?
Because here you have Jadie Vance who comes on the
scene and the only thing that people really knew about
(29:30):
Jadie Vance was hillbilly elogy, and they loved it. Again,
another person who was loved by Hollywood and the elites,
and they wanted to play They wanted to play him,
They wanted to play his mother, his grandmother. Some of
the greatest actresses in the world were like, I want
to be in this film. This is a role for
me and one awards. And yet once he comes out
(29:54):
as a Republican, as someone running for office, someone who
has come from the depths of poverty and truly lived
the American dream. I mean more so, I would say,
even than Trump, because he went from absolutely nothing to
becoming a Yale graduate and a successful businessman. And they
(30:15):
have gone after him and said, you know, don't you
didn't deserve to go to Yale, that wasn't your role,
and openly said that people that come from that level
of poverty should not be able to achieve the American dream.
They're openly saying not even hiding it. They're openly saying it,
and the American people are being brainwashed by this and saying, yeah,
I don't like him. Now, So when does it end?
(30:36):
Do the Republicans ever run again where they don't have
this propaganda media demonizing them, destroying their families, destroying their
life story, picking them apart peace by piece.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Look, I think this is this is how I think
about it. Think of the swamp as this kind of
drinking hole, you know, on the Nature Channel, And the
Democrats have all the best spots at the drinking hole.
And however they have cleared a few spaces for Republicans.
And so that is the way they want it to be.
(31:11):
They want the Republicans to be the junior partner, to
participate in the corruption, but recognize that they have an
inferior status. And there are a lot of Republicans who
are kind of okay with that. It's like, hey, listen,
otherwise I'd just be some realtor in Des Moines. But
you know what, I've got a nice spot of the
drinking hole right here. And so that kind of Republican
(31:32):
is like the Democrats favorite. Now, if a Republican comes
along like Trump and it's like I'm going to drain
that drinking hole. I'm going to drain the swamp. Then
it's like all bets are off, and not only are
the Democrats, but even the Republicans are like, wait a minute,
you're changing the rules of the game because we get
some drinking spots too. So it's not that the Democrats
(31:53):
won't put up with a Republican. They want to create
a certain type of submissive publican, a battered wife, so
to speak, and there are Republicans quite willing to play
that battered wife role. Now they will never admit it.
In fact, they will pose the battered wife Republicans poses
as being too principal to fight. So the battered wife
(32:14):
Republican basically goes, I'm so decent, I'm so nice that
I don't question the swamp. I go along with the
rules as is. I never questioned the election. I'm okay
with censorship. These are private platforms. Let them do whatever
they want. And yeah, they're indicting Trump. Let the legal
process play out. Nothing suspicious to see here, folks. There
are a lot of Republicans who are like that, and
(32:36):
the Democrats want to create a party that is made
up of those kinds of Republicans. Now JD. Mance, who
was initially kind of a Trump skeptic, almost never Trump Republican,
kind of the moment that Jadvans sort of went with Trump,
he signaled not that he is another Trump, because he's
a very different kind of guy. He's certainly, you know,
(32:56):
he's got that kind of he's got an Ivy League
sophistication to him. He's more academic in his style. So
he's not a carbon copy of Trump by any means.
But by showing he has that Trumpian spirit, immediately the
message kind of went out, Listen, this is a guy
who was like a threat to the establishment. We need
to go after him with the same venom. So that's
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the If the Republicans fold and move away from that
kind of Trumpian spirit, the Democrats are going to stop.
But they will never stop as long as Republicans continue
to pick candidates who have that fighting spirit, who are
in a sense, you know, the lone gunman coming over
the mountain.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean, I think that fighting spirit is what created
the United States of America. So I don't think it's
going to go away.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I certainly hope not. I mean, I'm an immigrant tutor.
I came to the country at the age of seventeen,
and you know, I discovered a society where you can
start at the bottom and if you have some grit
and some intelligence and some luck, you can climb the ladder.
And so preserving that ladder of opportunity, to me, is
what America is all about. And American history, the pioneer spirit,
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the spirit of resistance to the British, even the great
you know, the Civil War and some of the issues
and all of that indicates a certain American character, and
ultimately America will only be lost when that character itself disappears.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Well, I refuse to let that character disappear so and
I think you do too. And I think that people
really to understand it. If you are on the outside
of that, if you haven't run, if you haven't been
as close to this, I think to understand it, if
you watch this documentary and if you read the book,
you really will understand it. So tell people where they
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can get the book, how they can watch.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
The book is just out. It's available of course on Amazona,
Barnes and Noble. Just called Vindicating Trump the movie website
is Vindicating Trump dot com and it's still in some theaters,
so if you plug in your city or town, you'll
see if it's playing near you. It's going to come
very shortly to DVD and stream, and you can pre
order the DVD. So vindicating Trump dot Com is the
best way to find out more about the movie.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And it's not just about Trump though. I think that
what people need to understand is you're going to learn
some history when you watch this movie. You're gonna see
and even just the history of the last eight years,
of the last nine years, watching from him walking down
the escalator to today and seeing those historic clips, I
mean they're really fun to watch how people are like, oh,
this joker, like he's never going to become president, and
(35:29):
just going back through that history is like, oh, interesting,
how God has a different plan. And then you watch
the history. I told you when I watched the history
of presidential assassinations. I mean that brings a lot of
emotion up. That this film runs the gamut of seeing
something that's funny, seeing history, watching something that is really
(35:51):
heart wrenching. I mean we go through as you take
us on a journey through all of this history and
where America stands today. I just think it's incredibly powerful.
I think right now, in this season that we're in,
we're all wondering what's going to happen in the next
thirty days. This is a good film to watch because
I think it will help you. Also talk to your friends,
(36:13):
talk to people who you want to have, go out
and vote. Because the race is tight. People keep saying me,
do you think he's going to win them? Like every
other day? I do, you know? It's like every other day.
I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't
know if America has seen everything that America is supposed
to see to wake up. And I do believe that
that God has a hand on this nation, and he
(36:33):
is sending us a message right now, and so I
don't know. Nothing is guaranteed. We are a learning people,
and we will learn something in the next thirty days.
I certainly hope that it is that Donald Trump will
be our next president. But if you want to make
sure that you can help spread that message, read the book.
It'll teach you something, you.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Know, Tutor, When John Wilkes boot assassinated Lincoln and he
umps onto the stage, he shouts something very interesting. He
shouts a Latin phrase, but what it means is, this
is what happens to tyrants. This is what happens to tyrants.
And think about it. That's what they call Lincoln. They
thought he was a tyrant. And that's what they call Trump.
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He's a tyrant. And in a sense, the character assassination
of Trump has created a poisonous atmosphere in which two
kooks have now decided, oh, well, you know what, if
he's a tyrant, I'll be a hero. I'll be the
guy that the tyrant slayer, if you will. So in
some ways we're living a kind of an echo of
an historical moment. I love doing these films because they're
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entertaining and engaging, but they also pack a powerful message,
and I'm hoping in some ways to get the film out. Also,
this is in streaming and DVD more to people who
are Trump's skeptics, including some Republicans who are like, well,
you know, I don't know about the guy. I mean,
I do like his policies. You've got so many people
who are kind of wafflers on Trump, and they want
(38:01):
to sort of remake Trump in some way. And my
point is that look not that Trump is not a
flawed man, I mean, we all really are, but rather
that his peculiar combination of qualities is quite well suited
to the peculiar challenges that we face as a country today.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, and I think that if you watch this, you'll
say to yourself, Okay, those peculiar characteristics of his I
think that mine. If it were me, if I were
going through all of this, I would take a turn
that was a little different because it would bring it
brings a darkness into your life when you're under attack
like this, when you are under siege. And yet he,
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like you said, he's still funny and he goes to Grandparents'
day and he does all of these things that he
just keeps pushing through and living life. And it really
is a Donald Trump that I don't think that the
average person who said, well, I've just written him off
has seen. So I'm glad you did this, and I
think a lot of people should go out there and
watch it and read the book. Janesh Desusa, thank you
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so much for sharing it with us today. My pleasure,
and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
As always for this episode, check out Tutordison podcast dot
com or the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcasts and join us next time. Have a
blessed day,
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I have Desuza
with me. He is a political commentator, author and filmmaker
who just released his newest film and accompanying book called
Vindicating Trump. Denesh, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I was just saying, I watched the film, and I
think anybody who is in this political climate right now,
all of the people are sort of like focused on
what's happening. But if you've been watching Trump, and not
just in the political world, but if you've been watching
Trump for years, way back to when we all said,
oh my goodness, Donald Trump is in home alone, you know,
(00:40):
it's like, for years we saw him as this figure
that was the American Dream, and you point that out
in the film. If that is your life, you got
to watch this. You got to see this because it's
so neat how it starts, and you see how I
mean almost the vilification of the American dream because you
remind us who he was.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I appreciate that, you know, I think, Tutor, at
the very beginning of this film, there is that iconic
scene which everybody remembers, Trump coming down the escalator at
Trump Tower. That was a very faithful moment because this
is how I interpreted. At the top of the escalator,
you have all the cultural elites like Oprah's there, Ellen
(01:22):
de Generes, all the Hollywood people. They all love Trump,
they want to be seen with Trump. But then Trump
does something very interesting. He gets on the escalator, he descends,
he goes down. Now where does he go down to?
In my view, I kind of envision at the bottom
of the escalator like a lot of ordinary people who
have been kind of shunted aside by politics. You know,
(01:44):
they've been neglected by both parties, their jobs have been
traded away, they feel a little screwed over. And so
these are people who look up the escalator and they go, wait,
who's this guy. He's not one of us, but he's
kind of taken up our cause. And so you can
see right there why there's this fierce attachment to Trump
on the part of people who have been neglected and
(02:04):
see him as having come over to their side. Meanwhile,
from the point of view of the cultural elite at
the top of the escalator, they're like, where are you going.
You're betraying us. Why are you joining all these pitchfork
people and taking up their cause against us. So in
a glimpse you get an idea of why the same
people who adored him at one time sort of ruthlessly
(02:26):
turned against him.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
The symbolism there, I've never really thought about that. The
symbolism of him going down the escalator was very important
because he was at the top. He was at the top,
with the elites at the top, with Hollywood at the
top in business, and yet we aren't there, the people
aren't there, We don't experience that every day. What the
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private jets, that lifestyle. They want us to worship that lifestyle.
And so when he came down the escalator, people were like, whoa, whoa,
we don't do that. We make them look up, we
make them look up. But he said, no, I'm going
to the people. And I think this is something that
really we need to think about and look at your state,
(03:10):
look at your local politics. It is very hard to
get executives to step out of their role and serve,
and I really mean serve. You know, people look at
this and not oh he just wanted power. No, he
wanted to serve. And that is very different than what
it is to be the executive of a company and
(03:30):
that's a challenge and on both sides. But the Democrats,
I think, build up people and then they create power.
They don't actually have any experience, they don't have any
business experience. They come from a place of knowing nothing
and are created by the powerful elites. This was someone
stepping out of an executive role and going into serve
(03:51):
and it was like, this does not compute.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, and it's in some ways it still doesn't compute
because think about it this way, dude, or if you
or I were billionaires. We were in our seventies with
only a few years left. We have grandchildren, we have
mar Lago, we have this kind of beautiful life, and
we're facing on the other side of it all these
criminal charges, you know, two assassination attempts. I mean, the
(04:18):
normal person would just go, I don't need any of this.
Let me just flee into my private life. All of
this would then go away. And so Trump nevertheless persists,
and I think it has to be. I can only
think of one explanation, namely that he thinks that the
country is in a dire strait and he thinks that
somehow he is the guy, the guy, maybe the only
(04:41):
guy who can fix it, and that would explain why
he forges ahead in a very abnormal way. I mean,
I think, you know, any other Republican facing like three
criminal charges would be like out of there, fled the
field gone. So Trump is in that sense quite an
unused ual man in a manner that I think I'm
(05:02):
not even sure that some of his supporters fully recognized.
Now his enemies recognize his power, and that's really why
they're after him and him alone. Like you might have
to ask, like, here's a guy who goes seventy five
years no criminal charges, then the year he's running to
be president the second time, ninety one criminal charges. I mean,
on the face of it, that is suspect, and it
(05:23):
shows that he's Trump is sort of like the guy
who comes over the mountain in the Western movie and
the gangsters recognized right away, you know what, that's our
problem right there. That's the guy we got to get.
We don't have to worry about the old sheriff for
the old guy who runs the saloon, but the outsider,
the newcomer, is a real threat to us.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You have that in the movie, and I think that
was so powerful because part of what you say, is
he has the option to join the gang, and yet
he doesn't. He fixes things and he leaves. And you
said something just now, he said, I don't think his
supporters really understand what it is to give up everything
and be in the situation that he's in and have
(06:03):
all of these convictions. But his enemies do. And that
to me is incredibly powerful, because you know, when you're
in this industry, you talk to people all the time,
and I think that they don't realize the machine. And
there's corruption on both sides of the political machine, and
the Republican side is not is not without corruption, which
(06:25):
is why even on the you point out at the
beginning of the movie that even on the Republican side,
they're like, oh no, no, no, no, this guy can't be serious,
Like he's not coming into this realm. And you see
kind of the consultant class and all these people that
are like, we're not going we choose, we choose. And
I found this running for office myself. It's like, you
don't step into this race. You're not welcomed to step
(06:49):
into this race if you haven't been groomed by the
people who say we choose. And it's a very hard
place to be, and I think I appreciate what he's
done so much because it has shown the other people
that it's not easy. It's not that I had this
naive view of running for office, like the good people
run because they want to serve, and then you get
(07:11):
into it and you go, wow, there's a few people
like that, and he has exposed that in a way.
I don't think anybody knew it, and like you said it,
I don't think that people fully understand it now. But
there was a I've seen Don Junior speak a few
different times, and one of the things he says is
we had all these friends. Everybody loved us, and we
(07:32):
knew the minute he stepped onto that escalator that would
all change. But no one could have imagined how significant
the change would be. And I think that's true. I mean,
even on a small scale, if you step out of
that people's comfort zone and you run for office, you
take a risk of losing people. I had a friend
(07:52):
of mine who I visited it over the summer and
she said, it took me two years to have you
to my house. Why because I ran for office. That's it.
She didn't like my policies.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I think What it is is you realize after a
while that the if you're a threat to consolidating an
established regime, they will go after you with everything they have.
And then you have two ways to go. You can
either crumble, which happens to a lot of people, or
(08:29):
you experience a certain sense of liberation in which you
basically go, all right, it's like all bets are off.
It's now like a free fight in the open battlefield.
I'm just kind of have to go like braveheart on
these guys, you know. And I think that's what's happened
to Trump. This is the only way to explain his
(08:50):
utterly abnormal reaction to the two assassination attempts. I mean,
no normal person says things like, you know, I'm a
little annoyed that I was pulled off the golf course.
I was about to make an a shot. You know,
I may not be in the same form if I
come back later to do it when you have a
guy two holes down who's like planning to assassinate you.
(09:10):
So Trump, I think, has experienced this sense of freedom
that comes from the idea that they've tried everything, They've
thrown everything at him. The other thing about it is
he actually is. I would call him a bullies bully,
by which I mean he's a guy who knows how
to bully the bully. Now, I noticed that Trump never
bullies people who are beneath him. He'll never see him
(09:32):
bully like a doormat. He'll never bully a cab driver.
He doesn't bully people who are waiting on him. He's
very kind to those people. And in fact, even though
people say, who's such an ego maniac, he's such a narcissist,
I've actually seen Trump and he expresses very particular interest
in people like, hey, tutor, I notice that your son
(09:53):
just did an exam. How did that turn out?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
In other words, he is in private, he's quite self deprecating,
easy going, not the narcissists that you might expect him
to be. Now in public, he is this kind of
bombastic salesman. I mean, his rallies aren't just big, they're
like the biggest rallies ever assembled. His burgers at Marlaga
aren't just good, they're like the tastiest burgers ever made.
(10:15):
I mean, there's a kind of a cartoon element to
all that. But I think if you see Trump in
that almost comedic light. You can look at it. The
left pretends to take even his quip seriously. He said
he's going to be dictator for a day. Look, he
admitted it. That kind of nonsense when Trump clearly is
doing a little bit of stand up when he's when
(10:37):
he's performing before the American public.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I mean you even note that in the documentary about
the guys watching his speech and on saying, this isn't scripted.
He's just saying whatever he wants. And I think he
broke that machine. He broke the machine of say the
same script everywhere you go, always say the same thing.
And you see that real clear divide right now. You
(10:59):
see Harris going out and she never deviates from the script.
He says whatever he wants, and sometimes that does get
him in trouble. I think the majority of Americans look
at that and go, I'm glad that I know where
he stands. I'm glad that I know who he is.
I think he also brings us back to a time
when there was this masculinity around. I'm not going to
(11:22):
let them get me down. I'm not going to show
when I'm when I'm being attacked. I'm not going to
show that it is painful. I'm sure it is. I'm
sure that it gets to him, but you don't see
that on the world stage. And I think that's critical
right now because we're at a time where people are
expressing everything they want to be out on TV all
(11:43):
the time, social media, TikTok, they want to have all
these videos, and there aren't a whole lot of strong
male role models. And maybe some people will say, oh,
I don't think of him as a role model, but
I think you have to see that he says things like,
you don't want someone who's weak. You don't want someone
who who's going to run off the stage. You don't
want someone who fears people. There is a reality to
(12:07):
the power that is in just the ability to face
danger and keep going. And certainly when you have someone
who is looking at nuclear powers pointing their weapons toward
the United States, certainly don't want someone who cowers in fear. No.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think that, you know, true masculinity, like true femininy.
Femininity is actually a beautiful thing to see. But true
masculinity is not the caricatured version that the left creates
to make it seem like it's always toxic. So when
you look at Trump, for example, he's clearly very strong
in certain ways. He will speak openly about like threatening putin, Hey,
(12:50):
if you go into Ukraine, there's going to be consequences
and so on. He will talk like that at the
same time. You know, at a recent rally he said
something very interesting. He said, you know, I don't know
what this Kim Jong Lun. I don't know what his
problem is. He's got nuclear weapons, Like how many does
the guy need? He's like, this guy needs to go
to a baseball game, you know, he needs to put
on a baseball cap. He needs to chill out right now.
(13:14):
This is Trump. On the one hand, he has this
sort of masculine toughness, but on the other hand, he
also has this kind of relatability. I mean, the last
time I saw this it was between Reagan and Gorbachev.
Because if I flashback, even the neo conservatives called Reagan
a fool. They're like, Reagan's being suckered by the Soviet Union.
(13:35):
All Soviet leaders are exactly the same. Gorbachev is a
carbon copy of Andropov and Chernenko and Brezhnev and all
the others. And Reagan was like, actually, no, you know,
he's a different he's a different generation, he's a different guy.
I think I can get through to him. So this
is masculinity in its complex dimensions. There is a strength
to it, but there is also a relatability and a
(13:58):
gentleness to it. And I think I seeing Trump on
different occasions both those facets well.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And I think you make a great point that he said,
I think I can get through to him. Let's take
a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor
Dixon podcast. Right now, we see a Democrat party who
is not trying to get through to anyone, is not
trying to have any type of diplomatic discussion. I mean,
(14:25):
my goodness, you have the governor of Pennsylvania signing bombs.
This is a new this is a new Democrat party.
And I think that's what Trump has been pointing out,
is like, look, we are the party of peace. Yeah. Sure,
I try to have relationships with these people because at
the end of the day, I would rather discuss a
peaceful solution than go out there and bomb. And that
(14:47):
is not what Obama did. That is not what past
presidents did. That's not how they handled things. They were
certainly like okay, I'll send out the drones, I'll bomb
the innocent people. You've got Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania,
signing bombs. Donald Trump is saying, let's sign peace treaties.
We've got Josh Shapiro signing bombs. And I spoke to
(15:07):
some women who were Democrats the other day. I said,
your party used to be the anti war party, and
I felt like that was one of the best parts
about your party was that you were very anti war,
but you're not. Now you're literally signing bombs. Oh no, no, no,
that couldn't have happened. That video is not real. One
of the women said, no, I think that actually happened. Yeah,
it did.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
We are now a country that funds other people's wars.
It's never been the design for America, and yet that
is the design that the Democrat Party is holding up
as and they're cheering it on, and they're trying to
get their base to cheer on funding war instead of
funding peace, funding war.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, as I think back to the Reagan years,
when I first worked in the White House in my
twenties and kind of cut my teeth politically, we were
very aware that government was a racket in a lot
of its domestic operations, a lot of waste, but also
a lot of corruption, a lot of a lot of
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double dealing in side deals, and a lot of people
who had incentives for government to grow kind of a
poverty industry, a welfare industry. However, we had a blind spot,
and that was in the defense area, because when we
turn to defense, there were all these reports about the
Defense Department spending four hundred dollars on a coffee pot,
and we'd be like, well, yeah, but you know what,
(16:28):
we're fighting a cold war, so let's pretend not to
notice that. So however, one of the things that Trump
is exposed is, hey, listen, you know, to some degree,
war can also be a racket. Not that there aren't
ever justifications or good wars, but the truth of it
is a lot of times when we give aid to
another country, we're not giving it to them, We're giving
it to Lockheed and Boeing and Radio.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Was going to say, war is profitable for a lot. Really,
the funders of the political machine.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And these companies stand to make billions on a government contract.
So then they turn around and go, hey, listen, if
I give a candidate for office one million dollars. That's
like fifty cents out of the money I expect to
get out of this deal. And so all of this
is now, all of this was a little below the surface.
I also think that Trump is exposed the way in
(17:17):
which supposedly neutral arms of government, the FBI, the CIA, military,
even the people in the white coach, the CDC, the
NIH people who no one thought these are the people who, like,
you know, tell us we need to have a you know,
a chest X ray. Who thought that those people would
(17:37):
be ideologically manipulating things and saying things like we got
to do six speed of social distancing, even though there's
no scientific study that shows that, because guess what if
everybody's got to stand at least six feet away from
the next guy. Well, you can't run in elections the
normal way, can you?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Right? Absolutely well, and we saw, I mean, look at
Michigan the number of lawsuits that have been filed. Again
the Secretary of State here, and she changed, she was
changing the rules. She suddenly says when she was elected,
she said, the most secure election is based on the
signature match of the absentee ballance. And then she got
(18:15):
rid of the signature match. I don't know why you
would have to get rid of that. I don't know
why a pandemic requires you to get rid of the
signature match. Now, the RNC, you also had Lara Trump
in the documentary, which I think was fascinating to watch
because she has been a leader in making sure that
these secretaries of state are actually following the law. And
(18:36):
that's not too much to ask, you know, just follow
the law. Why is that so hard? And so they've
had to sue in Michigan, especially the Secretary of State.
I think they're up to eight or nine times now
because of all these rules that she had changed. She's
not following the constitution, she's not following the law. If
you're not following the law, there's a reason you're not
(18:56):
following the law. I mean, look at the most recent
situation with rf Hey, RFK, he has to sue to
get on the Michigan ballot steps out of the race.
She won't let him off. The first court says, yeah,
you can. She appeals. Why if you just want a
legal opinion, if you just want to play it safe,
you have the legal opinion, you can then take him off.
You make sure that no one is disenfranchised that no
(19:19):
one votes for someone who can't actually become president or
has chosen not to become president. But she leaves him on,
requires absolutely insists that he must stay on. Now, I
just feel like your viewers have to understand that as
we see states go blue, and I mean go from
purple to solid blue. You see states like Arizona where
(19:42):
the secretary of state changes the rules, then runs her
own election to become governor and then she's really in
charge of changing the laws, you know, and signing in
bills and making things much more radical. Well, same in Michigan.
You have this secretary of state who has kept people
in power by changing the rules of the election. And
(20:04):
we can't go back and say, well, where people actually
shure these absentee ballots, where the people if there's no
if there was no safety in place, can you be
confident in what she did? She says it was the
safest election, but was she really trying to make sure
it's the safest election? And now we know this same woman,
just like Katie Hobbs, will run for governor and run
her own election.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It is It shows a kind of a naive tea.
I think on our side, the reports side, namely that
we always thought and I always thought, Hey, listen, you
know it's election day. I march in, get behind the curtain,
cast my vote. Can I sit back the election day
find out the results. We assume that the process is
being conducted properly, that the count is being conducted properly.
(20:48):
The Democrats have sort of paid minute attention to every
aspect of this process, like guess what, who opens those
absent the envelopes? Like a if there's an X sign
but it's slightly outside the box, who gets to decide
if that vote counts or not? And so all of
this stuff. The Democrats have become geniuses, really at manipulating
(21:11):
the rules and unleveling the playing field, I think is
maybe a way to put it. And COVID, of course,
just presented them with a almost a god given opportunity
to carry this kind of manipulation to a whole new level.
And now they're trying to lock all that in so
the rules don't go back to the way that they
used to be. So in other words, emergency rules now
(21:32):
remain and become permanent.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And how did we become so complacent? I really do wonder,
because years ago while around twenty twenty, my brother in
law was shopping at some antique store and he brought
out this book and it was this old book from
the eighteen hundreds and it was documenting all this voter frauds.
So certainly we know that people have always tried to
(21:55):
manipulate elections always, and that's just human nature, and that's
why we have laws. And that, I mean, there's true.
There's if there were no laws, people would do anything right.
So that's why we have laws. I mean, it's just
that's common sense. But it was it was interesting because
this book from the eighteen hundreds was showing and they
actually had the ballots in there in these little envelopes.
The ballots were called tissue ballots, and they were very
(22:18):
very thin. And the one side, which I will say
it said in the book, it was the Democrats would
be like, oh gosh, no, but it did you know,
the Republican side. They would put their ballot in and
then the Democrats would have them pushed together. They would
flatten them out so they were exactly together, and then
they would they would put them in and it would
be a carbon copyed a double vote, and they had
(22:41):
to find they had to pull them apart and see,
oh wait, they're they're cheating by doing this. I mean,
this is the na this is human nature. Why on
earth did Republicans start saying exactly what you just said,
because I've been the same, Oh i'll vote on election date.
There's systems in place. We don't have that problem anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And I think we've also reached a point now where
we're facing a little bit of a different problem. Namely,
we have these Democrats, and this applies to the fifty
one intelligence officers with the Hunter Biden laptop, It applies
to the regimes of censorship. By and large, their view
is that is that they can do it to us
(23:20):
because they know we will never do it to them,
because there are so many Republicans who say things like, well,
you know, we have to be principal. They want to
stack the court. We won't stack the court. They want
to weaponize the government against us, But we can't weaponize
the government against them because we're too principled, we're too decent.
And so as a result, our decency and passivity and
(23:42):
turn the other cheek encourages their aggression because then they go, well,
there are no consequences for us will never be held accountable.
We will try to stack the court, but then those
guys will come in and they are wedded to nine.
They want nine justices. So then we get to try
again the next time, and we never have to face
the risk they will turn, if you will, the same
weaponry against us. So the Republicans, in that sense, I think,
(24:07):
are viewed by the Democrats as being the party of
the namby pambies.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, but to a certain extent, it's true. We
wouldn't do that stuff. It's wrong. And you heard, I
mean even you when you interviewed Donald Trump in the documentary,
you said you could have gone after Hillary Clinton. He's yeah,
I could have. I didn't think it was right, and
I wouldn't do it. And there's nobody on the other
side who's coming out and saying that, because it's exactly
the opposite. They have gone after him every which way
(24:33):
they've campaigned. They've openly said it. It's not even a question.
It's not like we're wondering did they do something nefarious.
They've campaigned on doing something nefarious. You bring up the
fact that Hillary Clinton was busted for paying for the
dossier for asking for the dossier. I mean, this is
a whole plan. This was election interference at its finest.
(24:57):
This was someone who who threw out false stories about
a presidential candidate and tried to win and she got
what an eight thousand dollars Fine, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And not just false stories. I mean think about what
she was saying. I mean, one thing, if she said, oh, well,
you know Trump, you know he had an affair with
a playboy model a long time ago, No, she was
basically saying, I have proof that Trump is a Russian asset.
In other words, Trump is a pawn of a foreign power.
And this not only has an impact on whether you
(25:29):
vote for him, but it has an impact about whether
we treat him as a normal and legitimate president once
he has been legitimately elected. So this was an effort
to discredit not just an election in a way, but
a presidency, and to a large degree it worked. Trump
the whole first term was plagued by these ongoing investigations NonStop,
(25:49):
and yet it is pretty remarkable that he accomplished quite
a lot. One of the things I pointed out in
the film was even though people say about Trump, you
know and I just saw George Conway on a recent show.
He's like, Trump only cares about himself. He's never shown
that he will ever care about anything other than himself
feel you know, not the country, not even his own supporters.
(26:12):
And I'm thinking to myself, all right, well, let's test
that idea. You know, because when COVID first came along,
Trump had this roaring economy. It was carrying him on
his surfboard to reelection almost inevitably. And yet when Fauci
and all the guys and the white coats came to
Trump and said, listen, there's a pandemic. You need to
shut down the economy at least temporarily, Trump was like,
(26:34):
you know what, let's do it. In other words, Trump
jeopardized his own election knowingly, and obviously the only motive
for that was that he cared about the lives and
health of the American people, and he said, my election
and reelection chances, well, we'll worry about that later. So
that is not the mark of somebody who only cares
about themselves, because that person would have reacted very differently.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
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(28:24):
you don't have a lot of people who walk out
of the executive life and the executive lifestyle to run.
If he only cared about himself, he would have never
stepped on that escalator. He would never have taken this
journey because it is not an easy journey. It is
not a journey for people who want to be praised
and loved, because you get more hate than you get love.
I assure you, it is a hard journey. It is
(28:45):
a humbling journey. It is not not for the meek
and mild. It is not for someone who is a
narcissist and just can't get past themselves. And I think
he's proven that it's not it's not that. And he's
continued to fight through all of these indictments and these
convictions and everything else that they say, oh, now he's
a convict, he's a felon, he's this that, and yet
(29:08):
he's none of those things. And he continues to fight
against all of that narrative. And it's not. It's certainly
not easy. It's certainly not easy when you are Trump.
But let me ask you this, do you think it continues?
Because here you have Jadie Vance who comes on the
scene and the only thing that people really knew about
(29:30):
Jadie Vance was hillbilly elogy, and they loved it. Again,
another person who was loved by Hollywood and the elites,
and they wanted to play They wanted to play him,
They wanted to play his mother, his grandmother. Some of
the greatest actresses in the world were like, I want
to be in this film. This is a role for
me and one awards. And yet once he comes out
(29:54):
as a Republican, as someone running for office, someone who
has come from the depths of poverty and truly lived
the American dream. I mean more so, I would say,
even than Trump, because he went from absolutely nothing to
becoming a Yale graduate and a successful businessman. And they
(30:15):
have gone after him and said, you know, don't you
didn't deserve to go to Yale, that wasn't your role,
and openly said that people that come from that level
of poverty should not be able to achieve the American dream.
They're openly saying not even hiding it. They're openly saying it,
and the American people are being brainwashed by this and saying, yeah,
I don't like him. Now, So when does it end?
(30:36):
Do the Republicans ever run again where they don't have
this propaganda media demonizing them, destroying their families, destroying their
life story, picking them apart peace by piece.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Look, I think this is this is how I think
about it. Think of the swamp as this kind of
drinking hole, you know, on the Nature Channel, And the
Democrats have all the best spots at the drinking hole.
And however they have cleared a few spaces for Republicans.
And so that is the way they want it to be.
(31:11):
They want the Republicans to be the junior partner, to
participate in the corruption, but recognize that they have an
inferior status. And there are a lot of Republicans who
are kind of okay with that. It's like, hey, listen,
otherwise I'd just be some realtor in Des Moines. But
you know what, I've got a nice spot of the
drinking hole right here. And so that kind of Republican
(31:32):
is like the Democrats favorite. Now, if a Republican comes
along like Trump and it's like I'm going to drain
that drinking hole. I'm going to drain the swamp. Then
it's like all bets are off, and not only are
the Democrats, but even the Republicans are like, wait a minute,
you're changing the rules of the game because we get
some drinking spots too. So it's not that the Democrats
(31:53):
won't put up with a Republican. They want to create
a certain type of submissive publican, a battered wife, so
to speak, and there are Republicans quite willing to play
that battered wife role. Now they will never admit it.
In fact, they will pose the battered wife Republicans poses
as being too principal to fight. So the battered wife
(32:14):
Republican basically goes, I'm so decent, I'm so nice that
I don't question the swamp. I go along with the
rules as is. I never questioned the election. I'm okay
with censorship. These are private platforms. Let them do whatever
they want. And yeah, they're indicting Trump. Let the legal
process play out. Nothing suspicious to see here, folks. There
are a lot of Republicans who are like that, and
(32:36):
the Democrats want to create a party that is made
up of those kinds of Republicans. Now JD. Mance, who
was initially kind of a Trump skeptic, almost never Trump Republican,
kind of the moment that Jadvans sort of went with Trump,
he signaled not that he is another Trump, because he's
a very different kind of guy. He's certainly, you know,
(32:56):
he's got that kind of he's got an Ivy League
sophistication to him. He's more academic in his style. So
he's not a carbon copy of Trump by any means.
But by showing he has that Trumpian spirit, immediately the
message kind of went out, Listen, this is a guy
who was like a threat to the establishment. We need
to go after him with the same venom. So that's
(33:16):
the If the Republicans fold and move away from that
kind of Trumpian spirit, the Democrats are going to stop.
But they will never stop as long as Republicans continue
to pick candidates who have that fighting spirit, who are
in a sense, you know, the lone gunman coming over
the mountain.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean, I think that fighting spirit is what created
the United States of America. So I don't think it's
going to go away.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I certainly hope not. I mean, I'm an immigrant tutor.
I came to the country at the age of seventeen,
and you know, I discovered a society where you can
start at the bottom and if you have some grit
and some intelligence and some luck, you can climb the ladder.
And so preserving that ladder of opportunity, to me, is
what America is all about. And American history, the pioneer spirit,
(34:04):
the spirit of resistance to the British, even the great
you know, the Civil War and some of the issues
and all of that indicates a certain American character, and
ultimately America will only be lost when that character itself disappears.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Well, I refuse to let that character disappear so and
I think you do too. And I think that people
really to understand it. If you are on the outside
of that, if you haven't run, if you haven't been
as close to this, I think to understand it, if
you watch this documentary and if you read the book,
you really will understand it. So tell people where they
(34:42):
can get the book, how they can watch.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
The book is just out. It's available of course on Amazona,
Barnes and Noble. Just called Vindicating Trump the movie website
is Vindicating Trump dot com and it's still in some theaters,
so if you plug in your city or town, you'll
see if it's playing near you. It's going to come
very shortly to DVD and stream, and you can pre
order the DVD. So vindicating Trump dot Com is the
best way to find out more about the movie.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And it's not just about Trump though. I think that
what people need to understand is you're going to learn
some history when you watch this movie. You're gonna see
and even just the history of the last eight years,
of the last nine years, watching from him walking down
the escalator to today and seeing those historic clips, I
mean they're really fun to watch how people are like, oh,
this joker, like he's never going to become president, and
(35:29):
just going back through that history is like, oh, interesting,
how God has a different plan. And then you watch
the history. I told you when I watched the history
of presidential assassinations. I mean that brings a lot of
emotion up. That this film runs the gamut of seeing
something that's funny, seeing history, watching something that is really
(35:51):
heart wrenching. I mean we go through as you take
us on a journey through all of this history and
where America stands today. I just think it's incredibly powerful.
I think right now, in this season that we're in,
we're all wondering what's going to happen in the next
thirty days. This is a good film to watch because
I think it will help you. Also talk to your friends,
(36:13):
talk to people who you want to have, go out
and vote. Because the race is tight. People keep saying me,
do you think he's going to win them? Like every
other day? I do, you know? It's like every other day.
I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't
know if America has seen everything that America is supposed
to see to wake up. And I do believe that
that God has a hand on this nation, and he
(36:33):
is sending us a message right now, and so I
don't know. Nothing is guaranteed. We are a learning people,
and we will learn something in the next thirty days.
I certainly hope that it is that Donald Trump will
be our next president. But if you want to make
sure that you can help spread that message, read the book.
It'll teach you something, you.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Know, Tutor, When John Wilkes boot assassinated Lincoln and he
umps onto the stage, he shouts something very interesting. He
shouts a Latin phrase, but what it means is, this
is what happens to tyrants. This is what happens to tyrants.
And think about it. That's what they call Lincoln. They
thought he was a tyrant. And that's what they call Trump.
(37:16):
He's a tyrant. And in a sense, the character assassination
of Trump has created a poisonous atmosphere in which two
kooks have now decided, oh, well, you know what, if
he's a tyrant, I'll be a hero. I'll be the
guy that the tyrant slayer, if you will. So in
some ways we're living a kind of an echo of
an historical moment. I love doing these films because they're
(37:39):
entertaining and engaging, but they also pack a powerful message,
and I'm hoping in some ways to get the film out. Also,
this is in streaming and DVD more to people who
are Trump's skeptics, including some Republicans who are like, well,
you know, I don't know about the guy. I mean,
I do like his policies. You've got so many people
who are kind of wafflers on Trump, and they want
(38:01):
to sort of remake Trump in some way. And my
point is that look not that Trump is not a
flawed man, I mean, we all really are, but rather
that his peculiar combination of qualities is quite well suited
to the peculiar challenges that we face as a country today.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, and I think that if you watch this, you'll
say to yourself, Okay, those peculiar characteristics of his I
think that mine. If it were me, if I were
going through all of this, I would take a turn
that was a little different because it would bring it
brings a darkness into your life when you're under attack
like this, when you are under siege. And yet he,
(38:40):
like you said, he's still funny and he goes to Grandparents'
day and he does all of these things that he
just keeps pushing through and living life. And it really
is a Donald Trump that I don't think that the
average person who said, well, I've just written him off
has seen. So I'm glad you did this, and I
think a lot of people should go out there and
watch it and read the book. Janesh Desusa, thank you
(39:02):
so much for sharing it with us today. My pleasure,
and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
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