October 14, 2024 • 40 mins
In this episode, Buck Sexton shares insights on marriage, his new coffee venture, and valuable life lessons. He emphasizes the importance of long-term thinking, the significance of greetings in relationships, and the need to enjoy the journey rather than obsess over achievements. Buck also discusses the evolving perceptions of college choices and the realities of financial success in young adulthood. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
It's been a full year of the Carol Markowitz Show.
I'm so happy and honored for every single listener. I'm
also so grateful for iHeartRadio and for the Klay, Travis
and Buck Sexton podcast network for giving me this opportunity.
(00:28):
I didn't know if this show would work. It's not
news of the day, it's not about politics. I described
this podcast as asking political people non political questions, but
it's also a show about living better, learning from other people,
taking good advice. And look, some episodes do veer straight
(00:49):
into politics, and there's just no stopping them. A lot
of people are just used to offering their opinion on
what's going on and are confused when someone asks questions
about them personally. I get that, so we do our
best to keep things not quite politics focused, more personal
(01:09):
here and just to hope for the best.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This show has.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Been doing a million downloads a quarter, and that is
just wild to me. I've had people who have been
listening to me since the first episode and always offer feedback.
I really love that. I love hearing from listeners in general.
I got a bunch of mail recently about the dating episodes.
(01:33):
I love getting the questions, and I also love getting
the advice that people want to share. If you've got thoughts,
drop me an email. Carol mark Witch Show at gmail
dot com, k A R O L M A R
K O w I CS and Charlie Zas and Zebra
Show at gmail dot com. For season two of the show,
(01:54):
I've switched up some of the questions based on your suggestions.
I actually switch on question, dropped one question.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And kept one question.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm no longer asking about our largest cultural problem, but
more widely, what the guest worries about could be personal
or it could be cultural. I've dropped the question about
whether the guest feels like they've made it. I've added
a listener suggested question about advice the guest would give
their sixteen year old self, and I've kept the last
(02:26):
question asking the guests to offer a tip to improve
the lives of our listeners. Lots of people said they
found that one useful, and I love being useful. I'm
really looking forward to season two of The Carol mark
Witz Show with all of you, Thank you so much
for listening. Coming up next and interview with Buck Sexton,
(02:47):
my very first repeat guest. He was also my very
first ever guest on season one of this show. We'll
hear from Buck Sexton after the break, but first I'd
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go online to support IFCJ dot org to give. That's
one word, SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. Hi, and welcome back to
the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is
Buck Sexton of The Clay and Buck Show, and I'm
(04:37):
so happy to have you on.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Buck. Thank you, Carol. This is exciting. I'm very honored
that I was the first guest, and now the end
of year one, I am back here. So at least
I got I was able to stay in the roster.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's right, I mean a big deal here.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, you're kicking off season two of The Carol Markowitz
Show on the Clay, Travis and Buck sex podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So I've loved last year.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I've gotten to talk to so many interesting and cool people.
I have to tell you that your interview was the
one that gets mentioned to me the most, and we'll
get to that later. It's the last question that I
ask about better living that so many people are like,
you know, that interview with Buck Sexton, Really I started
doing what he's ingested.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And again I'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It in a bit, but yeah, people really enjoyed that,
so love having you on. Also, when you were on
a year ago, you were in newlywed. You've now you know,
been married for a long, long, long time. Any marriage
insights for us.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm starting off. Wow, we're going right into it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Right into it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, you know, people love to hear about this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know, honestly, the nothing about it has been a
surprise to me. And I think part of it is
everybody has the model for what they think marriage will
be like that is just ingrained in their subconscious from
their own parents, right, and you know, maybe there's things
to learn, not just things to emulate. But and I
(06:10):
have parents who have been married now oh my god,
forty oh I'm trying to do the mathem I had
forty six years I think.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And they are the cutest couple ever.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Thank you. Yeah, but my parents are married a long time,
so you know, I had a sense of it from that.
I would say that advice that I would relay that
was pure marriage advice that I got early on in
the whole process was how you greet people really does matter,
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and it is memorable and sets sort of the tone
for the rest of the conversation or the rest of
the interaction. But so you know, when your spouse comes home,
or you come home to your spouse, it's a kiss,
a hug, a hug, and a kid. I love you,
I'm excited to see you. You know, what are we
doing now? It's not in the couch, it's talk, not
(07:09):
coming in on the phone, like you know, doing this,
you know whatever, Like you come in, the greeting matters
and I find that that and we and we both
have a you know, we we agreed on that kind
of early on, Like when we talked about this when
we're getting married, we're like, oh, that's really good advice
we were given to pre Kano, which is what Catholics do.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't know, if you no, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it's sort of a Catholic marriage yeah right, yeah, yeah,
but it's a Catholic marriage preparation opponent, you know that
you're supposed to do before get married to church as
we did. Uh, And it was the I was some
of the best advice that we got on it. So
that's that's that was really good. I mean, that really
has put us in good stead and I just I
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don't know, I can't just overstate the benefits of it.
And by the way, it's true for friends too. You know,
it's true for other people in your life when you
see people. I mean, you don't have to like hug
and kiss everybody. That wouldn't be appropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But yeah, well great, but I feel like you are. Yeah,
now that I'm thinking about it, You're always like heyy,
and you know, very very warm, and I think, yeah,
I always feel very welcomed by Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, my family are huge, like my mom and dad
argue over who's the bigger Carol Markowitz fan work, and
so you know, we are very excited and our group
of friends Carol it's like this, it's like the celebrity
has arrived and ever, oh, it's very excited.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's such a lie, you know, I think that that's
really sweet though.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm a huge fan of all the Sextons.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And actually I wanted to talk to you about you
and your brother and Clay have started a coffee company
and I'm actually your coffee company's biggest fan. I really am,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And right now. My my manager Craig knew that I
was going to be out in La where I am
right now, which why I kind of the drop, and
he knew that I forgot to bring my own I
didn't bring my coffee bag, but he lives here so
he has it at his house, so he brought nice
dot comment for me. You drink it?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I love it well, So I think I've told
you this, But I was a instant coffee drinker. It
was just it was like no coffee was good enough
to like not just mix it in a cup and
go on.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
About my day.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And I have become and you know this is not
sponsored in any way. I just I love Krackett coffee.
I think it's so good and just it's worth it
to me to brew up a pot of it and
get my days started with it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I've just never felt like that about a coffee before.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I've been like, it's fine, it's fine, but how much
better is it than instant? Really?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Mason searched for many months to find the right people
to work with on the roasting and the and the
packaging side, and sourcing the right beans and using the
right blend. So he'll be very happy to hear this,
because I think people just think, like, oh, you just
find someone great. Is it ording coffee beans, because obviously
we don't need to have a coffee domestic coffee production
(09:58):
in the US, and that No, it's actually really hard
to find something good who wants to work with you.
It's that was the first part of the process. So
I'm so glad we got a crack a coffee drink
that makes Yeah. Actually, it's been fascinating after a decade
of being in the radio business as a talent who
has to speak about products, now to be a product owner,
(10:22):
I mean co owned, playing with Mason and trying to
go at it from the other side of the table.
It's like you see a lot of you know, you
see you obviously see things differently, and you see the
challenges of how you know, you want to work with people,
but you have to make sure that it's a business
and not you're not sure hobby.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But part of it is having an alternative product to
kind of the mainstream products that we assume we're spending
all of our cash on leftist causes, right, that's definitely
what you own of this it's funny.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'm actually giving I'm doing Bill Maher show tonight and
I'm giving I mean my honorarium. It's you know, it's
not I don't know if I'm my god it's or
how much. It's not not a lot of money. It's
a nice check. I'm giving a Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
I mean, I just I think that they do such
amazing work. And it's interesting me because it's like a
lot of people on the ride like that charity, but
(11:14):
to me, it is a totally American charity. It is
not it is not partisan in any way. But it
helps heroes, first responders, military, their families. And ten percent
of profits from Crockett goes to that. So if you
want Rocket to be one hundred million dollar company and
be able to send a ten million dollar check, you know,
(11:34):
will it's amazing from this, we want to be able
to send a ten million dollar check to Tunnel the
Towers every year. I mean, that's that's like our vision.
That's our goal.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So one of the new questions that I have for
season two of The Carol Markowitz Show is and you know,
I had listeners suggest the questions and then I picked
my favorites. One question we'll stay from last season, but
two new ones. The new question is what advice would
you give a sixteen year old buck Sexton to yourself
at sixteen?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think that the best advice that I could give
to a sixteen year old version. Well, so there's the
advice that I would give myself yourself yourself, and then
there's the advice that I would give sort of sixteen
year olds or broadly because I was, I was a
little bit unusual for a sixteen year old and some
respects that may not be a shock to people who
are familiar with me or my work or whatever, but
(12:27):
and maybe it's actually more and more one and the same.
I think it'd be good for me to hear it,
which is, you just want to take a long view
when you're sixteen, a long view, right when when you're fifty,
a long view is like, I don't know, like years,
twenty years, you know, when you're my age, when you're forties,
it's like and I'm middle age. When you're sixteen, you
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want to take what you think of as a long
view on just everything, just everything that you possibly like,
just the I think the biggest track.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's so tough to do.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's so hard, it's seen.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, but no one told me this. The biggest traps
are you Are you popular at sixteen? Nobody cares? Are
you considered smart at sixteen? Nobody cares? Are you considered
you know, good looking or attractive at sixteen, Like, no
one really cares until you get into your twenties and thirties,
nothing is going to be meaningful to your life. Really,
(13:20):
I'm talking about personal growth stops right. No one at
sixteen is doing the things that they will look back
on their life and be like, oh yeah, like that
was really amazing, that was really important. So I think
you can. I think that I would tell myself, and
I would tell any sixteen year old. Let you know,
lay the pressure off yourself. Take the long taking the
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long view. I know it seems like it and it
does require discipline and it takes some sort of foresight,
but it also means you're not even gonna remember this
stuff hey when it matters, like, you're not really who
you are yet, and so just enjoy each day, try
to find what you like, try to get better.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
You know, calculus is BS, it doesn't you know what
I like?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
This is?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
But this is teenagers listening. Do not listen to him.
It's very important.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Let's do it. This is the point. If you're good
at calculus and you want to be pushing in these directions, great,
then that's an area for you. But you will not
use some of these things in your life. Won't stress out.
I'm not saying don't do your homework. Yeah, it doesn't
matter in any meaning. Kids put so much stress. I'll
give you another one. Go to college where you want
(14:35):
to go to college. I went to Amherst, which in
some of the like college, there's university rankings, which is
always like harbar, I don't know those college rankings. Amherst
is routinely for the colleges a top five schools something.
You know, it's Williams, Amorus, Swathmore. Those tend to be
the ones that are kind of always trading off whatever.
I wish I had gone somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Honestly, where do you wish you would?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh? Man, I probably would have. I mean I almost
went to like Georgetown was the one that I was
so close. Here's the thing. I went where I thought
it was more academically rigorous, without even really knowing what
that meant. Instead, of what do I think I'm going
to enjoy my time more and have and it fits
in with my conception of how I want to spend
(15:15):
my day to day as an eighteen, nineteen twenty year old.
So look, I had a good time at Emerson. I'm
not like, I'm not anti yes, sure, but I just mean,
you know, try to take the longer view. Understand that
a lot of things that stress you out at sixteen
are truly meaningless.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Were you hard on yourself when you were sixteen?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Absolutely, that this is coming across here, Okay, I just
I'm not sure kids are hard on themselves anymore. I
don't know that that's still maybe I don't have a
six My oldest is fourteen. When no, we'll see what happens.
But they seem like they you know, self esteem is
really stressed in schools, so they seem like they're doing okay.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That I mean so again I was in school. What
I mean, I was there. We're till going back over
thirty years now when I was sixteen, which makes me
feel really old. Even though a lot of people watching
this on video at least will be like, he looks
like he's twenty five.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
You really do.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Which is fair, which is I don't know what to say.
I mean, it's you know, I'm forty gonna be forty three,
but but no, I yes, why I look, that's the thing.
That's what I mean though, Like there's what I would
give advice to myself versus what I would sort of
how I advise other people who are sixteen but on
the college front, for example, And I tell you know,
we have some great neighbors Carrie and I do where
we live in in Miami, and become very friendly with them,
(16:30):
and they've got kids who are, you know, fourteen sixteen
around that age group, and the parents ask me because
I don't know, some people think I'm kind of wise.
I know, yeah you are, thank you, and they last
me things and I'll just say the When I was
in school, the ranking of your college was like, it's
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either you're gonna go work at Goldman and make millions
and have an awesome life and be you know, just
hugging your beautiful wife on the beach and Southampton and
area or not right based on where you go school.
But I've learned as I've become an adult who actually
has seen life is I mean, I know schmucks who
went to Harvard, I know, super stars who went to
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community college. Like, it's just not this or some rough
sorting of academic ability that goes on, but it doesn't really.
You're seeing this, by the way, with the huge surge
in interest in SEC schools. Oh yeah, don't tell Clay this,
But like twenty years ago, if you were a good
student in New York City or I'm sure La and
(17:33):
some of the Boston you were not going to an SEC.
If you went to an SEC school from New York
against what went wrong?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
You you you were You were like a you were
like a screw up warned party and go for That
was totally shifting. And now people are you know, University
of Florida is like an elite school. Oh yeah, it's
hard to get it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, we hope our kids go to a University of Florida, right.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
No, but you look at these schools in the Southeast,
and I think that's just a function of people realizing
where do I want to be and get a good education,
not just like where do I fall on this list?
I mean, one of the funniest things I could tell
anybody who's like, what am I going to do with
my life? And you know, how am I know? Where
am I going to go with? This? Is of the
people that I knew who were doing backflips because they
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got recruited to go work on Wall Street when they
were a twenty two misery, they hated it, and almost
none of them lasted. Almost none of them lasted, Like
I mean, right, I mean same.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Things for lawyers.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know, I know very few people who got into
like the best law firms that they were so excited
to go to and liked it and stayed it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Just it almost never happens.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny because I think
back to this and it's so much about where people
can make money at a young Like everyone wants to
have money at a young age. You have to also
remember like money as a young single person is very
you know, you have very different needs in very different stresses.
You know. I I enjoyed myself in my twenties and
I was making at the time what would be what
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was basically like I think the average American household income,
which was like forty thousand dollars a year, and you
know in New York City that wasn't you know, I
was working for the government. It wasn't a lot of
money at all. I had peers who were like, I
just got a fifty thousand dollars bonus. I'm like, I
just my my all in so, I had friends in
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my early twenties who were making and a lot of them,
by the way, not just like two who were making
three four times as much money as me. Right off
the bat, and again to my point about long term
versus short term, nobody cares, right, nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You're not real Like how much were you making out
of college?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Right exactly? How mu you're making at college doesn't matter.
You're not rich because you made one hundred and sixty
grand one year, and this is your life. The other
thing I've realized is.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Maybe excellent, this is really I love all of this,
Like oh really, OK, keep going yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Well as you can say. The other thing I realized
is your goal and achievement obsession is a trap. A
goal or an achievement that you want, whether it's to
be rich or to be you know, to have a
great physique, or to be super successful in your field.
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That is a guide for how you set up your
day to day life. Your day to day life is
everything right, meaning you want to be you want to
be in a position where you are growing, where you
are enjoying yourself, where you are challenged, but you are
comfortable enough that you can have moments of happiness. And
(20:38):
you want to set up that matrix of your day
to day. And so this is kind of the anti
I want to go work at I was gonna say
Lehman Brothers, but that was my day, right. People are like,
I want to go work with Lehman Brothers, but not
so much. Yeah, not so much anymore. But you know, okay,
do you want to spend a few years of your twenties?
For some people the answer is yes. But do you
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want to spend a few years of your twenties legitimate
working eighty hours a week gaining By the way, for
the women who did it that I knew they all
of course, because you're at a desk and you're eating
like crap Chinese takeout food, right, like, you know, gaining weight,
not getting sunlight whatever, so you can, you know, make
six figures when you're this stuff does not matter.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
We'll be right back with more from buck Sexton, and
it could all fall apart so fast. I mean, your
leaming example is a very good one. And we just
watched Anchorment, not Inchorman. We watched Telladega Nights with the
Kids recently, and the guy in the movies like, oh,
I want to get in on this Haliburton stock. You know,
it just it could all end tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It doesn't. It doesn't last forever anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And yeah, if you're living that way at twenty two,
you're probably doing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's funny, you know, Carol, there was this, I really
want to say a year ago, there was this peak
of these podcasts and they're all it's extra points if
you have a British accent, right, that means you're smarter
on a podcast. Sure, right, I have a question to
ask you, but they would have. You know, they've talked
to all these different uh you know, alpha CEO guys
(22:07):
when they would ask them, and this is true, I've
heard that. I mean I could think of like ten
different podcasts where there's been a version of this same moment.
You know, they asked some guy who's made you know,
five hundred million dollars two billion whatever it is, right,
like astronomical riches and run some huge company or built
some huge company. They say like, what what do you
(22:27):
think about? And what are you most proud of? And
you know, you know what they all say, family, my family. Yeah,
and if they have a regret, you know what their
regret is.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Not enough time with my family to omit. And so obvious.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's so obvious. And this is great for people to
hear though, because this is what I mean about your
day to day. It's like, you know, I mean I
turned around the other day and I and I told Carrie, uh,
who's my wife or anyone in the audience who doesn't know.
It was just wonderful, thank you. She is really great.
She's really great. And and I I turned on. We're
talking to something. I don't even know how it came up,
but we out like some friend of mine or some
(23:01):
guy I know, like just that you know just actually
is like a friend of a friend. And we were like, oh,
like that guys. You know, guys, I didn't know he
sold this company for like three hundred million dollars and
and you know he's got all these fancy cars and
all these houses and everything. And I turn around. It's like, honestly,
if I swear to you, if we had a billion
dollars tomorrow. I wouldn't get a different car, right, happy
(23:22):
with the car we live in? Yeah, I wouldn't. I
would like, I'm there's like, what there is a level where.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeahinish returns and you have what you need.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And I mean to me, it's just kind of funny
when I hear people that have and because because again
this is about like the goal and the short term
long term. Yeah, you have this idea that oh, if
I get to and this is what I mean by
the goal, can become the enemy of what matters, which
is your day to day life. I'm going to mortgage
my twenties, thirties and maybe even my forties so that
(23:51):
I can be a tech a tech billionaire, right, Like,
let's say that's your mindset. And I don't know, I've
come across a lot of younger people who that's really
and even more than that, by the way, it's I
want to be a YouTube star, right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh yeah, that's the definitely the hot thing right now.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I want to make thirty three. Well, okay, you know
you're going to spend a lot of time making content.
Do you like making content? You're going to have people
that don't like what you're doing. It's going to be frustrating,
it's going to take years. You know, you're you're also
taking a risk of not of not doing other things,
learning other things that you have to take a I
(24:27):
think a broad spectrum view of what you're doing. But
if that makes you miserable, even if you wake up
at forty or forty five and now you do have
whatever it is, like you do have the billion dollars
of stock in the Lamborghini, you know, or you have
the ten million followers on YouTube or something. Were you
happy to get there?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Was it? Happiness? Is?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
This is all so deep too? Like yeah, this is
you know, I think that you might not be and
I think people think that they automatically will.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Be yes this, But this is what I mean by
people eight, I'll be happy when you know people call it.
I think people call like if then thinking or when
if thinking or whatever. It's you know, if I get this,
everything will be worth it. If I achieve the following thing,
all the sacrifices look to get places, you have to
(25:17):
make sacrifices. Like one of the things I tell people
media now is if I knew how hard it would
be to get to a place where I am happy
and comfortable with my media career. When I started it,
I probably would have gone and taken a job like
McKinsey or something, you know what. I Anyway, I actually
got on this like escalator. It was kind of like
(25:39):
once you're on it, you're in it. You just kept going.
But I knew what it was actually going to require,
you know. I mean, I've managed to make a career
in conservative media. I've never been paid a dollar by
Fox News in my life.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Now that's fine, pretty unusual, that's.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Fine, but you know, but I just bring up, like
if you told me that when.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I started where I forget it right.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I'm like, I'm never going to make a dollar from
Fox every Like, they're never going to literally pay me.
It's not a contributor or anything. I can't make a
living doing this. Well it turns out I can. But
you know, this is what I mean by I liked
even when stuff was crappy and I was doing a
lot for free, this game that you and I are in,
this which I actually think is a kind of a
(26:19):
thing of this thing that we do.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I like it evages when I was getting abused at
CNN on air, not because you know they're so good
at arguing, because you know, it's just like ah, like.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Chickens, you know, squawking at you all once. It's a mess.
I was like, yeah, but I like, this is the
fight I want to be in, you know what I mean?
And that that's really And it wasn't If I take
this abuse one day, I'll have my own show at
CNN or something. It was just like I like this
right now, and I think I'm good at it, and
so I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I think that for younger people thinking about what they
want to do, do that it's not just people say
pursue your passion. No no, no, no, no no no, Like
there are lots of things. There was a time when
I was passionate about video games, but like, how make
a living playing video games? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Although now you never know, really somebody would watch you
play video games.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's like a money making thing now, So.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well yeah, So that's my my thing is is if
you really want to want to be where you want
to be in life. And I see this across all
my friends, all my colleagues, what is your day to day?
You know, do you enjoy it? Do you find it
productive if do you find it meaningful?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So the second.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Question of my at one point, no, no, that was
one question, like we got to get to like that's right.
My second, my second new question is.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
What do you worry about?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Which I think goes well with this because you know,
I think that you have to worry about something.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And so what is it?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You mean as an individual or as an individual?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
What does what does book Sexton worry about?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And it could be anything.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
My question last season was what do you think is
our largest cultural problem?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So it could be cultural or it could be you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I definitely worry about my kids or different different things
on different days.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
But I worry about what I call mass delusion. So
I worry about groups of people becoming deeply convinced of
things and mobilized behind things that are not only untrue,
(28:32):
but often anti true or sort of divorced from reality.
I think that is the biggest threat that human beings face.
I think that is the biggest challenge that we have,
and I mean I could go through. I mean I
think all totalitarianisms, for example, are founded on delusional principles
of universal control and absolute power, which is just it's not.
(28:55):
This is contrary to human nature. It's contrary to existence, right,
So all of the worst things involve large groups becoming
certain that something is true when it is untrue. COVID
obviously is a huge example of that.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I was gonna say, I think we just had a
real good example of that not too long ago.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And I think that this is this is what really
concerns me because also the ability to shape perception now
at scale, meaning you know, hundreds of millions of people
you couldn't even know. Yeah, there's like the printing press,
and then there's radio, and then there's these ways that
mass media have developed over the last hundred years. But
(29:37):
what we're in now is we alternate an alternate reality
of what is public consensus can be constructed very rapidly,
and by the time people even realize what's going on.
I think enormous damage can be done. I mean, I
do think COVID was, yeah, it's scary, a perfect example
of that. But I think there are other examples of
(29:59):
it too. I mean think that the narrative that Donald
Trump is is hitler. While we're coing to it because
it's so stupid, this is really this is really bad.
This is it's bad because there are people who believe
this stuff and they that then they're kind of numb
to all the other arguments, facts, data and discussion that
(30:24):
I think can lead to.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Right we they end up arguing, you know, let's get
rid of the First Amendment because of what if you
say something positive about Donald Trump on social media? You know,
they end up having to go down this rabbit hole
where it has to support their delusion, and that.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Affects all of us.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So yeah, and I think we are also all kind
of becoming. I mean I used to love I mean,
you know I did growing up. I read a lot,
but I watched a lot of particularly like HBO and
like I love watching all. I watched all these action
movies that were like made with small budgets and were
not good, you know, like I was a Dolph Lungdren fan.
(31:03):
And I don't mean Rocky four. I mean it's tougher,
like nobody saw that showed out sweet he.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Plays the Russian Oh yah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's
all I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I don't know, Yeah, that is a thing that we
used to watch in these bad movies where it's like
a human but has like a chip in the brain
and maybe some metallic thing. And Terminator is obviously the
biggest example of this, but like cyborgs is a big
thing in the eighties and nineties, we're all becoming these
kind of human machine hybrids where our inf like we
have access to endless information, but we're also constantly being
(31:35):
influenced by what's really almost a second brain. Like you've
never you know before, if you wanted to find out
a fact, if you weren't encyclopedia, what are your Encyclopedia Britannica,
And like, oh, like is that really the like is
the toad sloth really? But you know, it's amazing on
the one hand, but on the other hand that you
have all this information access but you also are so
(31:57):
reliant on these machines now that they are pros, they're
creating our version of reality in ways.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
When somebody's like googled something and then they're like read
a book, you know, you just know they just learned
this information five seconds ago, Like when you see Twitter,
like everybody become you know, experts on whatever the latest thing.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Is, Like, oh, it's it.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I've always known about this, this was like this and
and the fact that you believe that is evidence that
you're stupid. We see that all the time, and that
is like they're they're part they think that that's part
of them. Their Google process is the information that they have.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's also amazing. I went to a bookstore here in
La looking for a hard to find book on Ivan
Ory von Pavlov for yeah right now. But anyway, they
said they had it, they actually didn't because it was
so rare, like they hadn't even updated that. The one
copy they had a long time ago was gone. So
(32:55):
I'm like, of course, right, like you know, I'm like, oh,
I found that, but I went in there was I
was interest. I'm a big fan of tactile books, like
physical hard time. I think everyone should have them in
their home. I think children should grow up reading still books,
not kindles. Not I read, that's fine, but you should
have books should be a part of it. There is
something about a physical It is an unbeatable technology for
(33:19):
what it is in some ways, having having books occupy
physical space, having uh you know, the cover design, and
having in your hands and that experience of I am
reading and it's not just screen screens is all fast
screens is something else. I think it's really important. But
it was funny being in this bookstore, because I mean,
I am in La to be fair, I look around,
(33:40):
I'm like, I'm looking at all these books. I'm like,
has a white guy ever written a book? Has there
been a white male who has written a book? Because
walking around this store, I don't think so. Well, that's
interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, and the pav Love book obviously was written by
white guy, but they don't have it anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
So the last time you were on, I end all
my shows with the question of leave my listeners with
the tip for them to improve their lives, and your
tip it wasn't that a groundbreaking tip.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Sorry to say that, but it was read before bed.
I think that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I mean I always read before bed. I kind of
fell off of that a little bit when I got married,
but I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Back to not scrolling before bed. But a lot of
people wrote to me and said that it really did
change things for them. Just the decision to read before
bed instead of getting on your phone made a difference.
So do you have a new tip for us? You
want to end us with a new tip, or do
you want to reinforce the last one.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well, I mean I have to double down on the
read before bed is a fabulous and that actually I do.
That's where actually a kindle for me because if you
want to have the low light setting and everything, that's
you know, so there's a play. I love my kindle.
I'm not like anti it, but I just also believe
in physical books, and I believe that people should have
a bookshelf in the home and that there should be
books that they have both want to read and have
(35:05):
read that are on that shelf, and the children should
be familiar with it. I did grow up surrounded by
books and bookshelves in New York, so I think that
was interesting. It work well for me, so I'll tell
you this one. Actually, man, I'm trying to pick I
have a few way I can't believe them.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
No, I know, we were like, it's like fifteen minutes
over it, but that's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
No one really ever asked me my opinion on anything,
So this is such a new theck. It's always just like,
tell us what's going on in the news.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I want to say that I get a lot of
that here because I get people on and they're like
ready to talk about Donald Trump or something, and then
I'm like, so you know, what kind of advice do
you have for people?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And they're like, wait me, what you know?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, it's funny because I I would actually love to
like both share and exchange insights with people out there
more broadly. But what I find is I actually get
people who are who are almost like taken aback by,
like excuse me, like we how is Trump going to
be calm on this election? Like stay focused? But don't
I'm not allowed with some people.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Come back anytime and you share all the thoughts that
you have, all right.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
So can I can I kind of cheat and give
you a variant of the one I gave you last
year and then a totally new one. So I'm kind
of it's.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Your podcast network. You do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
That's very kind of you, all right. So the one
thing I would tack on, because this gets me heat
and I'm not even going to explain, get the TV
out of your bedroom. Get the TV out of your bedroom.
I'm not anti TV. I love great shows, that's fine.
Get it out of your bedroom. People, good old like
you're a newly wed. That's what I'm like, you know
(36:44):
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
But what you mean?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Get the TV out of your bedroom full stop. Don't
argue with me, just do it. Move it to another room.
Don't have a TV in your bedroom. But the advice
piece that I will give because I'm tacking that onto
part one of the reader if we go to bed,
uh and you're gonna disagree with me on this when Carol,
oh really, Oh, I love that You're gonna you're I might,
I might trigger Carol Markowitz on her own.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Comfortable footwear, it is, I mean, life changing. I do
not understand men and women wearing shoes that hurt their feet.
It SAPs your energy, It puts you in a bad mood.
It over the long term, it causes all kinds of
foot distortions.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Have you discussed this with Jesse Kelly. He's super into
I lovels.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
This is where he is so wrong. He is he
is like, yeah, a whole other stratosphere of wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
He got into my.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Car and I had flats like in the passengers, you know,
on the floor of the passenger seat, and he was
like flats and I was like, no, no, Jesse, only
for driving because I love heels.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I love hot shoes. I hear you, I really do.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
I wear sneakers sometimes running around, you know, during the
day with my kids and stuff. But for nights out,
I love hot shoes and you cannot stop me.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
So see, all right, I can't convince Carol. But to
the rescue listing, there there are happy mediums. You want
to have comfortable feet the uh. I mean, one one
of my experiences in New York that I lived through
so many times before I got married was I'd be
on a date and it was going well, you know,
you're at dinner. Usually you throw the standard in New
York as your dinner and then you can drink efforts
because you could walk across the street or you know,
(38:29):
it's New York right there. I mean, I know you
know this, but for people listening, uh, and they'd be like.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Like, we take a taxi and I'd be like, we're
gonna go three blocks, Like we're gonna be three.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Blocks, okay, fair? You know. But I also I have
like shoes.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
That I go out in that I know are gonna
be sitting shoes.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Like I'm not walking into three blocks. I'm not walking anywhere.
I'm walking from.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
The car to dinner where I'll be sitting, and then
I'll get back in the car when I know I
have to walk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I have comfortable.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Heels that I could walk in and I have and
you know, I yes, I reject your whole premise here.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And you would. I knew she would. She has an
amazing shoe collection, and I get it. And I'm you know,
and I know, especially with some of the women. But
I mean I see women walking around on these, like
the stilts that they have, and I see it, and
I'm like, I mean, look, I know it looks nice
and elegance to it. But okay, fine, if you're at
like a you know, if you're like a block tie
(39:30):
gala or a wedding or something, I get it. But
for me, fancy shoes is the way I feel about
neck ties only if I absolutely have to.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Only silly. But no shoes are you know.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
We're gonna bring We're gonna bring Jesse Kelly on to
debate this with.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You and tell you tell that let lanky son of
a gun anytime he wants to have the shoe throwdown,
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
He's buck Sexton, Clay Travis, and Buck Section Show. Check
them out every day.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
They're so amazing. You're awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Buck, Thank you so much for having for coming on,
for having this show on your network.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I really appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Congrats on the podcast. By the way, it is doing
great and.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I know us you see my internal numbers congratulation.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
A lot of people listen. Very good stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Thank you, Buck, Thank you, thanks so much for joining
us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever you get
your podcasts.
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
It's been a full year of the Carol Markowitz Show.
I'm so happy and honored for every single listener. I'm
also so grateful for iHeartRadio and for the Klay, Travis
and Buck Sexton podcast network for giving me this opportunity.
(00:28):
I didn't know if this show would work. It's not
news of the day, it's not about politics. I described
this podcast as asking political people non political questions, but
it's also a show about living better, learning from other people,
taking good advice. And look, some episodes do veer straight
(00:49):
into politics, and there's just no stopping them. A lot
of people are just used to offering their opinion on
what's going on and are confused when someone asks questions
about them personally. I get that, so we do our
best to keep things not quite politics focused, more personal
(01:09):
here and just to hope for the best.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This show has.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Been doing a million downloads a quarter, and that is
just wild to me. I've had people who have been
listening to me since the first episode and always offer feedback.
I really love that. I love hearing from listeners in general.
I got a bunch of mail recently about the dating episodes.
(01:33):
I love getting the questions, and I also love getting
the advice that people want to share. If you've got thoughts,
drop me an email. Carol mark Witch Show at gmail
dot com, k A R O L M A R
K O w I CS and Charlie Zas and Zebra
Show at gmail dot com. For season two of the show,
(01:54):
I've switched up some of the questions based on your suggestions.
I actually switch on question, dropped one question.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And kept one question.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm no longer asking about our largest cultural problem, but
more widely, what the guest worries about could be personal
or it could be cultural. I've dropped the question about
whether the guest feels like they've made it. I've added
a listener suggested question about advice the guest would give
their sixteen year old self, and I've kept the last
(02:26):
question asking the guests to offer a tip to improve
the lives of our listeners. Lots of people said they
found that one useful, and I love being useful. I'm
really looking forward to season two of The Carol mark
Witz Show with all of you, Thank you so much
for listening. Coming up next and interview with Buck Sexton,
(02:47):
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one word, SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. Hi, and welcome back to
the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is
Buck Sexton of The Clay and Buck Show, and I'm
(04:37):
so happy to have you on.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Buck. Thank you, Carol. This is exciting. I'm very honored
that I was the first guest, and now the end
of year one, I am back here. So at least
I got I was able to stay in the roster.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's right, I mean a big deal here.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, you're kicking off season two of The Carol Markowitz
Show on the Clay, Travis and Buck sex podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So I've loved last year.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I've gotten to talk to so many interesting and cool people.
I have to tell you that your interview was the
one that gets mentioned to me the most, and we'll
get to that later. It's the last question that I
ask about better living that so many people are like,
you know, that interview with Buck Sexton, Really I started
doing what he's ingested.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And again I'll talk about.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It in a bit, but yeah, people really enjoyed that,
so love having you on. Also, when you were on
a year ago, you were in newlywed. You've now you know,
been married for a long, long, long time. Any marriage
insights for us.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm starting off. Wow, we're going right into it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Right into it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, you know, people love to hear about this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know, honestly, the nothing about it has been a
surprise to me. And I think part of it is
everybody has the model for what they think marriage will
be like that is just ingrained in their subconscious from
their own parents, right, and you know, maybe there's things
to learn, not just things to emulate. But and I
(06:10):
have parents who have been married now oh my god,
forty oh I'm trying to do the mathem I had
forty six years I think.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And they are the cutest couple ever.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Thank you. Yeah, but my parents are married a long time,
so you know, I had a sense of it from that.
I would say that advice that I would relay that
was pure marriage advice that I got early on in
the whole process was how you greet people really does matter,
(06:42):
and it is memorable and sets sort of the tone
for the rest of the conversation or the rest of
the interaction. But so you know, when your spouse comes home,
or you come home to your spouse, it's a kiss,
a hug, a hug, and a kid. I love you,
I'm excited to see you. You know, what are we
doing now? It's not in the couch, it's talk, not
(07:09):
coming in on the phone, like you know, doing this,
you know whatever, Like you come in, the greeting matters
and I find that that and we and we both
have a you know, we we agreed on that kind
of early on, Like when we talked about this when
we're getting married, we're like, oh, that's really good advice
we were given to pre Kano, which is what Catholics do.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't know, if you no, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it's sort of a Catholic marriage yeah right, yeah, yeah,
but it's a Catholic marriage preparation opponent, you know that
you're supposed to do before get married to church as
we did. Uh, And it was the I was some
of the best advice that we got on it. So
that's that's that was really good. I mean, that really
has put us in good stead and I just I
(07:53):
don't know, I can't just overstate the benefits of it.
And by the way, it's true for friends too. You know,
it's true for other people in your life when you
see people. I mean, you don't have to like hug
and kiss everybody. That wouldn't be appropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But yeah, well great, but I feel like you are. Yeah,
now that I'm thinking about it, You're always like heyy,
and you know, very very warm, and I think, yeah,
I always feel very welcomed by Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, my family are huge, like my mom and dad
argue over who's the bigger Carol Markowitz fan work, and
so you know, we are very excited and our group
of friends Carol it's like this, it's like the celebrity
has arrived and ever, oh, it's very excited.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's such a lie, you know, I think that that's
really sweet though.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm a huge fan of all the Sextons.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And actually I wanted to talk to you about you
and your brother and Clay have started a coffee company
and I'm actually your coffee company's biggest fan. I really am,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And right now. My my manager Craig knew that I
was going to be out in La where I am
right now, which why I kind of the drop, and
he knew that I forgot to bring my own I
didn't bring my coffee bag, but he lives here so
he has it at his house, so he brought nice
dot comment for me. You drink it?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I love it well, So I think I've told
you this, But I was a instant coffee drinker. It
was just it was like no coffee was good enough
to like not just mix it in a cup and
go on.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
About my day.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And I have become and you know this is not
sponsored in any way. I just I love Krackett coffee.
I think it's so good and just it's worth it
to me to brew up a pot of it and
get my days started with it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I've just never felt like that about a coffee before.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I've been like, it's fine, it's fine, but how much
better is it than instant? Really?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Mason searched for many months to find the right people
to work with on the roasting and the and the
packaging side, and sourcing the right beans and using the
right blend. So he'll be very happy to hear this,
because I think people just think, like, oh, you just
find someone great. Is it ording coffee beans, because obviously
we don't need to have a coffee domestic coffee production
(09:58):
in the US, and that No, it's actually really hard
to find something good who wants to work with you.
It's that was the first part of the process. So
I'm so glad we got a crack a coffee drink
that makes Yeah. Actually, it's been fascinating after a decade
of being in the radio business as a talent who
has to speak about products, now to be a product owner,
(10:22):
I mean co owned, playing with Mason and trying to
go at it from the other side of the table.
It's like you see a lot of you know, you
see you obviously see things differently, and you see the
challenges of how you know, you want to work with people,
but you have to make sure that it's a business
and not you're not sure hobby.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But part of it is having an alternative product to
kind of the mainstream products that we assume we're spending
all of our cash on leftist causes, right, that's definitely
what you own of this it's funny.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'm actually giving I'm doing Bill Maher show tonight and
I'm giving I mean my honorarium. It's you know, it's
not I don't know if I'm my god it's or
how much. It's not not a lot of money. It's
a nice check. I'm giving a Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
I mean, I just I think that they do such
amazing work. And it's interesting me because it's like a
lot of people on the ride like that charity, but
(11:14):
to me, it is a totally American charity. It is
not it is not partisan in any way. But it
helps heroes, first responders, military, their families. And ten percent
of profits from Crockett goes to that. So if you
want Rocket to be one hundred million dollar company and
be able to send a ten million dollar check, you know,
(11:34):
will it's amazing from this, we want to be able
to send a ten million dollar check to Tunnel the
Towers every year. I mean, that's that's like our vision.
That's our goal.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So one of the new questions that I have for
season two of The Carol Markowitz Show is and you know,
I had listeners suggest the questions and then I picked
my favorites. One question we'll stay from last season, but
two new ones. The new question is what advice would
you give a sixteen year old buck Sexton to yourself
at sixteen?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think that the best advice that I could give
to a sixteen year old version. Well, so there's the
advice that I would give myself yourself yourself, and then
there's the advice that I would give sort of sixteen
year olds or broadly because I was, I was a
little bit unusual for a sixteen year old and some
respects that may not be a shock to people who
are familiar with me or my work or whatever, but
(12:27):
and maybe it's actually more and more one and the same.
I think it'd be good for me to hear it,
which is, you just want to take a long view
when you're sixteen, a long view, right when when you're fifty,
a long view is like, I don't know, like years,
twenty years, you know, when you're my age, when you're forties,
it's like and I'm middle age. When you're sixteen, you
(12:47):
want to take what you think of as a long
view on just everything, just everything that you possibly like,
just the I think the biggest track.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's so tough to do.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's so hard, it's seen.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, but no one told me this. The biggest traps
are you Are you popular at sixteen? Nobody cares? Are
you considered smart at sixteen? Nobody cares? Are you considered
you know, good looking or attractive at sixteen, Like, no
one really cares until you get into your twenties and thirties,
nothing is going to be meaningful to your life. Really,
(13:20):
I'm talking about personal growth stops right. No one at
sixteen is doing the things that they will look back
on their life and be like, oh yeah, like that
was really amazing, that was really important. So I think
you can. I think that I would tell myself, and
I would tell any sixteen year old. Let you know,
lay the pressure off yourself. Take the long taking the
(13:43):
long view. I know it seems like it and it
does require discipline and it takes some sort of foresight,
but it also means you're not even gonna remember this
stuff hey when it matters, like, you're not really who
you are yet, and so just enjoy each day, try
to find what you like, try to get better.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
You know, calculus is BS, it doesn't you know what
I like?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
This is?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
But this is teenagers listening. Do not listen to him.
It's very important.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Let's do it. This is the point. If you're good
at calculus and you want to be pushing in these directions, great,
then that's an area for you. But you will not
use some of these things in your life. Won't stress out.
I'm not saying don't do your homework. Yeah, it doesn't
matter in any meaning. Kids put so much stress. I'll
give you another one. Go to college where you want
(14:35):
to go to college. I went to Amherst, which in
some of the like college, there's university rankings, which is
always like harbar, I don't know those college rankings. Amherst
is routinely for the colleges a top five schools something.
You know, it's Williams, Amorus, Swathmore. Those tend to be
the ones that are kind of always trading off whatever.
I wish I had gone somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Honestly, where do you wish you would?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh? Man, I probably would have. I mean I almost
went to like Georgetown was the one that I was
so close. Here's the thing. I went where I thought
it was more academically rigorous, without even really knowing what
that meant. Instead, of what do I think I'm going
to enjoy my time more and have and it fits
in with my conception of how I want to spend
(15:15):
my day to day as an eighteen, nineteen twenty year old.
So look, I had a good time at Emerson. I'm
not like, I'm not anti yes, sure, but I just mean,
you know, try to take the longer view. Understand that
a lot of things that stress you out at sixteen
are truly meaningless.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Were you hard on yourself when you were sixteen?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Absolutely, that this is coming across here, Okay, I just
I'm not sure kids are hard on themselves anymore. I
don't know that that's still maybe I don't have a
six My oldest is fourteen. When no, we'll see what happens.
But they seem like they you know, self esteem is
really stressed in schools, so they seem like they're doing okay.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That I mean so again I was in school. What
I mean, I was there. We're till going back over
thirty years now when I was sixteen, which makes me
feel really old. Even though a lot of people watching
this on video at least will be like, he looks
like he's twenty five.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
You really do.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Which is fair, which is I don't know what to say.
I mean, it's you know, I'm forty gonna be forty three,
but but no, I yes, why I look, that's the thing.
That's what I mean though, Like there's what I would
give advice to myself versus what I would sort of
how I advise other people who are sixteen but on
the college front, for example, And I tell you know,
we have some great neighbors Carrie and I do where
we live in in Miami, and become very friendly with them,
(16:30):
and they've got kids who are, you know, fourteen sixteen
around that age group, and the parents ask me because
I don't know, some people think I'm kind of wise.
I know, yeah you are, thank you, and they last
me things and I'll just say the When I was
in school, the ranking of your college was like, it's
(16:51):
either you're gonna go work at Goldman and make millions
and have an awesome life and be you know, just
hugging your beautiful wife on the beach and Southampton and
area or not right based on where you go school.
But I've learned as I've become an adult who actually
has seen life is I mean, I know schmucks who
went to Harvard, I know, super stars who went to
(17:12):
community college. Like, it's just not this or some rough
sorting of academic ability that goes on, but it doesn't really.
You're seeing this, by the way, with the huge surge
in interest in SEC schools. Oh yeah, don't tell Clay this,
But like twenty years ago, if you were a good
student in New York City or I'm sure La and
(17:33):
some of the Boston you were not going to an SEC.
If you went to an SEC school from New York
against what went wrong?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
You you you were You were like a you were
like a screw up warned party and go for That
was totally shifting. And now people are you know, University
of Florida is like an elite school. Oh yeah, it's
hard to get it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, we hope our kids go to a University of Florida, right.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
No, but you look at these schools in the Southeast,
and I think that's just a function of people realizing
where do I want to be and get a good education,
not just like where do I fall on this list?
I mean, one of the funniest things I could tell
anybody who's like, what am I going to do with
my life? And you know, how am I know? Where
am I going to go with? This? Is of the
people that I knew who were doing backflips because they
(18:22):
got recruited to go work on Wall Street when they
were a twenty two misery, they hated it, and almost
none of them lasted. Almost none of them lasted, Like
I mean, right, I mean same.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Things for lawyers.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know, I know very few people who got into
like the best law firms that they were so excited
to go to and liked it and stayed it.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Just it almost never happens.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny because I think
back to this and it's so much about where people
can make money at a young Like everyone wants to
have money at a young age. You have to also
remember like money as a young single person is very
you know, you have very different needs in very different stresses.
You know. I I enjoyed myself in my twenties and
I was making at the time what would be what
(19:07):
was basically like I think the average American household income,
which was like forty thousand dollars a year, and you
know in New York City that wasn't you know, I
was working for the government. It wasn't a lot of
money at all. I had peers who were like, I
just got a fifty thousand dollars bonus. I'm like, I
just my my all in so, I had friends in
(19:27):
my early twenties who were making and a lot of them,
by the way, not just like two who were making
three four times as much money as me. Right off
the bat, and again to my point about long term
versus short term, nobody cares, right, nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You're not real Like how much were you making out
of college?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Right exactly? How mu you're making at college doesn't matter.
You're not rich because you made one hundred and sixty
grand one year, and this is your life. The other
thing I've realized is.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Maybe excellent, this is really I love all of this,
Like oh really, OK, keep going yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Well as you can say. The other thing I realized
is your goal and achievement obsession is a trap. A
goal or an achievement that you want, whether it's to
be rich or to be you know, to have a
great physique, or to be super successful in your field.
(20:17):
That is a guide for how you set up your
day to day life. Your day to day life is
everything right, meaning you want to be you want to
be in a position where you are growing, where you
are enjoying yourself, where you are challenged, but you are
comfortable enough that you can have moments of happiness. And
(20:38):
you want to set up that matrix of your day
to day. And so this is kind of the anti
I want to go work at I was gonna say
Lehman Brothers, but that was my day, right. People are like,
I want to go work with Lehman Brothers, but not
so much. Yeah, not so much anymore. But you know, okay,
do you want to spend a few years of your twenties?
For some people the answer is yes. But do you
(20:58):
want to spend a few years of your twenties legitimate
working eighty hours a week gaining By the way, for
the women who did it that I knew they all
of course, because you're at a desk and you're eating
like crap Chinese takeout food, right, like, you know, gaining weight,
not getting sunlight whatever, so you can, you know, make
six figures when you're this stuff does not matter.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
We'll be right back with more from buck Sexton, and
it could all fall apart so fast. I mean, your
leaming example is a very good one. And we just
watched Anchorment, not Inchorman. We watched Telladega Nights with the
Kids recently, and the guy in the movies like, oh,
I want to get in on this Haliburton stock. You know,
it just it could all end tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It doesn't. It doesn't last forever anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And yeah, if you're living that way at twenty two,
you're probably doing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's funny, you know, Carol, there was this, I really
want to say a year ago, there was this peak
of these podcasts and they're all it's extra points if
you have a British accent, right, that means you're smarter
on a podcast. Sure, right, I have a question to
ask you, but they would have. You know, they've talked
to all these different uh you know, alpha CEO guys
(22:07):
when they would ask them, and this is true, I've
heard that. I mean I could think of like ten
different podcasts where there's been a version of this same moment.
You know, they asked some guy who's made you know,
five hundred million dollars two billion whatever it is, right,
like astronomical riches and run some huge company or built
some huge company. They say like, what what do you
(22:27):
think about? And what are you most proud of? And
you know, you know what they all say, family, my family. Yeah,
and if they have a regret, you know what their
regret is.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Not enough time with my family to omit. And so obvious.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's so obvious. And this is great for people to
hear though, because this is what I mean about your
day to day. It's like, you know, I mean I
turned around the other day and I and I told Carrie, uh,
who's my wife or anyone in the audience who doesn't know.
It was just wonderful, thank you. She is really great.
She's really great. And and I I turned on. We're
talking to something. I don't even know how it came up,
but we out like some friend of mine or some
(23:01):
guy I know, like just that you know just actually
is like a friend of a friend. And we were like, oh,
like that guys. You know, guys, I didn't know he
sold this company for like three hundred million dollars and
and you know he's got all these fancy cars and
all these houses and everything. And I turn around. It's like, honestly,
if I swear to you, if we had a billion
dollars tomorrow. I wouldn't get a different car, right, happy
(23:22):
with the car we live in? Yeah, I wouldn't. I
would like, I'm there's like, what there is a level where.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeahinish returns and you have what you need.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And I mean to me, it's just kind of funny
when I hear people that have and because because again
this is about like the goal and the short term
long term. Yeah, you have this idea that oh, if
I get to and this is what I mean by
the goal, can become the enemy of what matters, which
is your day to day life. I'm going to mortgage
my twenties, thirties and maybe even my forties so that
(23:51):
I can be a tech a tech billionaire, right, Like,
let's say that's your mindset. And I don't know, I've
come across a lot of younger people who that's really
and even more than that, by the way, it's I
want to be a YouTube star, right.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh yeah, that's the definitely the hot thing right now.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I want to make thirty three. Well, okay, you know
you're going to spend a lot of time making content.
Do you like making content? You're going to have people
that don't like what you're doing. It's going to be frustrating,
it's going to take years. You know, you're you're also
taking a risk of not of not doing other things,
learning other things that you have to take a I
(24:27):
think a broad spectrum view of what you're doing. But
if that makes you miserable, even if you wake up
at forty or forty five and now you do have
whatever it is, like you do have the billion dollars
of stock in the Lamborghini, you know, or you have
the ten million followers on YouTube or something. Were you
happy to get there?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Was it? Happiness? Is?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
This is all so deep too? Like yeah, this is
you know, I think that you might not be and
I think people think that they automatically will.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Be yes this, But this is what I mean by
people eight, I'll be happy when you know people call it.
I think people call like if then thinking or when
if thinking or whatever. It's you know, if I get this,
everything will be worth it. If I achieve the following thing,
all the sacrifices look to get places, you have to
(25:17):
make sacrifices. Like one of the things I tell people
media now is if I knew how hard it would
be to get to a place where I am happy
and comfortable with my media career. When I started it,
I probably would have gone and taken a job like
McKinsey or something, you know what. I Anyway, I actually
got on this like escalator. It was kind of like
(25:39):
once you're on it, you're in it. You just kept going.
But I knew what it was actually going to require,
you know. I mean, I've managed to make a career
in conservative media. I've never been paid a dollar by
Fox News in my life.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Now that's fine, pretty unusual, that's.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Fine, but you know, but I just bring up, like
if you told me that when.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I started where I forget it right.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I'm like, I'm never going to make a dollar from
Fox every Like, they're never going to literally pay me.
It's not a contributor or anything. I can't make a
living doing this. Well it turns out I can. But
you know, this is what I mean by I liked
even when stuff was crappy and I was doing a
lot for free, this game that you and I are in,
this which I actually think is a kind of a
(26:19):
thing of this thing that we do.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
I like it evages when I was getting abused at
CNN on air, not because you know they're so good
at arguing, because you know, it's just like ah, like.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Chickens, you know, squawking at you all once. It's a mess.
I was like, yeah, but I like, this is the
fight I want to be in, you know what I mean?
And that that's really And it wasn't If I take
this abuse one day, I'll have my own show at
CNN or something. It was just like I like this
right now, and I think I'm good at it, and
so I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I think that for younger people thinking about what they
want to do, do that it's not just people say
pursue your passion. No no, no, no, no no no, Like
there are lots of things. There was a time when
I was passionate about video games, but like, how make
a living playing video games? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Although now you never know, really somebody would watch you
play video games.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's like a money making thing now, So.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well yeah, So that's my my thing is is if
you really want to want to be where you want
to be in life. And I see this across all
my friends, all my colleagues, what is your day to day?
You know, do you enjoy it? Do you find it
productive if do you find it meaningful?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So the second.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Question of my at one point, no, no, that was
one question, like we got to get to like that's right.
My second, my second new question is.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
What do you worry about?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Which I think goes well with this because you know,
I think that you have to worry about something.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And so what is it?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You mean as an individual or as an individual?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
What does what does book Sexton worry about?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And it could be anything.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
My question last season was what do you think is
our largest cultural problem?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So it could be cultural or it could be you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I definitely worry about my kids or different different things
on different days.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
But I worry about what I call mass delusion. So
I worry about groups of people becoming deeply convinced of
things and mobilized behind things that are not only untrue,
(28:32):
but often anti true or sort of divorced from reality.
I think that is the biggest threat that human beings face.
I think that is the biggest challenge that we have,
and I mean I could go through. I mean I
think all totalitarianisms, for example, are founded on delusional principles
of universal control and absolute power, which is just it's not.
(28:55):
This is contrary to human nature. It's contrary to existence, right,
So all of the worst things involve large groups becoming
certain that something is true when it is untrue. COVID
obviously is a huge example of that.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I was gonna say, I think we just had a
real good example of that not too long ago.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And I think that this is this is what really
concerns me because also the ability to shape perception now
at scale, meaning you know, hundreds of millions of people
you couldn't even know. Yeah, there's like the printing press,
and then there's radio, and then there's these ways that
mass media have developed over the last hundred years. But
(29:37):
what we're in now is we alternate an alternate reality
of what is public consensus can be constructed very rapidly,
and by the time people even realize what's going on.
I think enormous damage can be done. I mean, I
do think COVID was, yeah, it's scary, a perfect example
of that. But I think there are other examples of
(29:59):
it too. I mean think that the narrative that Donald
Trump is is hitler. While we're coing to it because
it's so stupid, this is really this is really bad.
This is it's bad because there are people who believe
this stuff and they that then they're kind of numb
to all the other arguments, facts, data and discussion that
(30:24):
I think can lead to.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Right we they end up arguing, you know, let's get
rid of the First Amendment because of what if you
say something positive about Donald Trump on social media? You know,
they end up having to go down this rabbit hole
where it has to support their delusion, and that.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Affects all of us.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So yeah, and I think we are also all kind
of becoming. I mean I used to love I mean,
you know I did growing up. I read a lot,
but I watched a lot of particularly like HBO and
like I love watching all. I watched all these action
movies that were like made with small budgets and were
not good, you know, like I was a Dolph Lungdren fan.
(31:03):
And I don't mean Rocky four. I mean it's tougher,
like nobody saw that showed out sweet he.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Plays the Russian Oh yah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's
all I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I don't know, Yeah, that is a thing that we
used to watch in these bad movies where it's like
a human but has like a chip in the brain
and maybe some metallic thing. And Terminator is obviously the
biggest example of this, but like cyborgs is a big
thing in the eighties and nineties, we're all becoming these
kind of human machine hybrids where our inf like we
have access to endless information, but we're also constantly being
(31:35):
influenced by what's really almost a second brain. Like you've
never you know before, if you wanted to find out
a fact, if you weren't encyclopedia, what are your Encyclopedia Britannica,
And like, oh, like is that really the like is
the toad sloth really? But you know, it's amazing on
the one hand, but on the other hand that you
have all this information access but you also are so
(31:57):
reliant on these machines now that they are pros, they're
creating our version of reality in ways.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
When somebody's like googled something and then they're like read
a book, you know, you just know they just learned
this information five seconds ago, Like when you see Twitter,
like everybody become you know, experts on whatever the latest thing.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Is, Like, oh, it's it.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I've always known about this, this was like this and
and the fact that you believe that is evidence that
you're stupid. We see that all the time, and that
is like they're they're part they think that that's part
of them. Their Google process is the information that they have.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's also amazing. I went to a bookstore here in
La looking for a hard to find book on Ivan
Ory von Pavlov for yeah right now. But anyway, they
said they had it, they actually didn't because it was
so rare, like they hadn't even updated that. The one
copy they had a long time ago was gone. So
(32:55):
I'm like, of course, right, like you know, I'm like, oh,
I found that, but I went in there was I
was interest. I'm a big fan of tactile books, like
physical hard time. I think everyone should have them in
their home. I think children should grow up reading still books,
not kindles. Not I read, that's fine, but you should
have books should be a part of it. There is
something about a physical It is an unbeatable technology for
(33:19):
what it is in some ways, having having books occupy
physical space, having uh you know, the cover design, and
having in your hands and that experience of I am
reading and it's not just screen screens is all fast
screens is something else. I think it's really important. But
it was funny being in this bookstore, because I mean,
I am in La to be fair, I look around,
(33:40):
I'm like, I'm looking at all these books. I'm like,
has a white guy ever written a book? Has there
been a white male who has written a book? Because
walking around this store, I don't think so. Well, that's
interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, and the pav Love book obviously was written by
white guy, but they don't have it anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
So the last time you were on, I end all
my shows with the question of leave my listeners with
the tip for them to improve their lives, and your
tip it wasn't that a groundbreaking tip.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Sorry to say that, but it was read before bed.
I think that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I mean I always read before bed. I kind of
fell off of that a little bit when I got married,
but I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Back to not scrolling before bed. But a lot of
people wrote to me and said that it really did
change things for them. Just the decision to read before
bed instead of getting on your phone made a difference.
So do you have a new tip for us? You
want to end us with a new tip, or do
you want to reinforce the last one.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well, I mean I have to double down on the
read before bed is a fabulous and that actually I do.
That's where actually a kindle for me because if you
want to have the low light setting and everything, that's
you know, so there's a play. I love my kindle.
I'm not like anti it, but I just also believe
in physical books, and I believe that people should have
a bookshelf in the home and that there should be
books that they have both want to read and have
(35:05):
read that are on that shelf, and the children should
be familiar with it. I did grow up surrounded by
books and bookshelves in New York, so I think that
was interesting. It work well for me, so I'll tell
you this one. Actually, man, I'm trying to pick I
have a few way I can't believe them.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
No, I know, we were like, it's like fifteen minutes
over it, but that's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
No one really ever asked me my opinion on anything,
So this is such a new theck. It's always just like,
tell us what's going on in the news.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I want to say that I get a lot of
that here because I get people on and they're like
ready to talk about Donald Trump or something, and then
I'm like, so you know, what kind of advice do
you have for people?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And they're like, wait me, what you know?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, it's funny because I I would actually love to
like both share and exchange insights with people out there
more broadly. But what I find is I actually get
people who are who are almost like taken aback by,
like excuse me, like we how is Trump going to
be calm on this election? Like stay focused? But don't
I'm not allowed with some people.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Come back anytime and you share all the thoughts that
you have, all right.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
So can I can I kind of cheat and give
you a variant of the one I gave you last
year and then a totally new one. So I'm kind
of it's.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Your podcast network. You do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
That's very kind of you, all right. So the one
thing I would tack on, because this gets me heat
and I'm not even going to explain, get the TV
out of your bedroom. Get the TV out of your bedroom.
I'm not anti TV. I love great shows, that's fine.
Get it out of your bedroom. People, good old like
you're a newly wed. That's what I'm like, you know
(36:44):
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
But what you mean?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Get the TV out of your bedroom full stop. Don't
argue with me, just do it. Move it to another room.
Don't have a TV in your bedroom. But the advice
piece that I will give because I'm tacking that onto
part one of the reader if we go to bed,
uh and you're gonna disagree with me on this when Carol,
oh really, Oh, I love that You're gonna you're I might,
I might trigger Carol Markowitz on her own.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Comfortable footwear, it is, I mean, life changing. I do
not understand men and women wearing shoes that hurt their feet.
It SAPs your energy, It puts you in a bad mood.
It over the long term, it causes all kinds of
foot distortions.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Have you discussed this with Jesse Kelly. He's super into
I lovels.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
This is where he is so wrong. He is he
is like, yeah, a whole other stratosphere of wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
He got into my.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Car and I had flats like in the passengers, you know,
on the floor of the passenger seat, and he was
like flats and I was like, no, no, Jesse, only
for driving because I love heels.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I love hot shoes. I hear you, I really do.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
I wear sneakers sometimes running around, you know, during the
day with my kids and stuff. But for nights out,
I love hot shoes and you cannot stop me.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
So see, all right, I can't convince Carol. But to
the rescue listing, there there are happy mediums. You want
to have comfortable feet the uh. I mean, one one
of my experiences in New York that I lived through
so many times before I got married was I'd be
on a date and it was going well, you know,
you're at dinner. Usually you throw the standard in New
York as your dinner and then you can drink efforts
because you could walk across the street or you know,
(38:29):
it's New York right there. I mean, I know you
know this, but for people listening, uh, and they'd be like.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Like, we take a taxi and I'd be like, we're
gonna go three blocks, Like we're gonna be three.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Blocks, okay, fair? You know. But I also I have
like shoes.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
That I go out in that I know are gonna
be sitting shoes.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Like I'm not walking into three blocks. I'm not walking anywhere.
I'm walking from.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
The car to dinner where I'll be sitting, and then
I'll get back in the car when I know I
have to walk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I have comfortable.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Heels that I could walk in and I have and
you know, I yes, I reject your whole premise here.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And you would. I knew she would. She has an
amazing shoe collection, and I get it. And I'm you know,
and I know, especially with some of the women. But
I mean I see women walking around on these, like
the stilts that they have, and I see it, and
I'm like, I mean, look, I know it looks nice
and elegance to it. But okay, fine, if you're at
like a you know, if you're like a block tie
(39:30):
gala or a wedding or something, I get it. But
for me, fancy shoes is the way I feel about
neck ties only if I absolutely have to.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Only silly. But no shoes are you know.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
We're gonna bring We're gonna bring Jesse Kelly on to
debate this with.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You and tell you tell that let lanky son of
a gun anytime he wants to have the shoe throwdown,
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
He's buck Sexton, Clay Travis, and Buck Section Show. Check
them out every day.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
They're so amazing. You're awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Buck, Thank you so much for having for coming on,
for having this show on your network.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I really appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Congrats on the podcast. By the way, it is doing
great and.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I know us you see my internal numbers congratulation.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
A lot of people listen. Very good stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Thank you, Buck, Thank you, thanks so much for joining
us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever you get
your podcasts.
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