November 12, 2024 • 32 mins
In this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the current political landscape, focusing on the reactions to Trump's win, media misconceptions, and the implications of the 4B movement. They explore campaign strategies, parenting in a politically charged environment, and the dynamics of family discussions around politics. The conversation also touches on demographic shifts in voting patterns and the influence of Trump in popular culture, particularly in the NFL. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey guys, and welcome to Normally. This is the show
with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hamp and I am Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
And the news is actually extra weird right now, extra
super weird. And this NBC is like reacting so well
to the chrump when they're doing just great.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I mean, their ratings were really good, partly because I
think a lot of people tuned in.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
To watched the reaction, more.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
People than usual, and I think both in media circles
and in liberal activist circles. But I sort of repeat myself.
You know they're processing and it's going to take a minute.
There's I think I want to kick us off with
one clip of a sort of liberal activist woman on
TikTok who sort of embodies some of the reactions in
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that world online things you may be seeing on your
Facebook page. Let's hear a little bit from her.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I took the morning Degree. That's all the time we have.
Now is your time to start making a plan. Women,
I'm here to talk to you today. The first thing
you're going to do is you're going to delete your
period tracking app. I don't care what state you're in.
Go into your history, take out a paper planner, write
down your history so that you have it, because I
know that you it. You use it to track population
and all of that stuff. You can't do that in
an app anymore. Before you delete the app, you're going
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to delete your data out of the app. That's not
a sure way to make sure that they can't use
it against you later, but it helps. Next thing you're
going to do, you're going to get Planned B or
it's prescription equivalent. If you are comfortable getting the prescription,
you can go to your doctor, and sometimes you can
get it for free. That version I think is called ELLA.
And then if you are not comfortable or unable to
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do that with your doctor, go get Plan B in
cash at your local pharmacy. I don't care if you
don't need it right now, just keep it on your shelf.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I picked her because she's hitting all the marks of
the hysteria without actually yelling, which for an audio podcast
I just didn't want to do to you guys.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
We'll have plenty of that later.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
By the way, I love the idea that the government,
which like can't do rural broadband, is going to also
track my period like I have tracked my peerents as
I was fortunate, Like I haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right there were the app I was like, what are
these kids doing? Amazing?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And you know, we have lost elections before we I
you know, my first election that I voted was nineteen
ninety six. I've lost basically all, you know, but a
few in there. I was never like, grab all the
algebra books. They're taking away algebra from eighth graders, like,
because that's the equivalent here, that's the thinking process here.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It is somebody damaged this person, Somebody.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Made her afraid of things.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
That she shouldn't be afraid of, and now she's spreading
that fear to other people.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I think in ironically it's often sort of projection.
She would likely tell you that Trump won based on
fear while she's saying.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
This, and.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's just like you, she's also spreading misinformation, man, like
the idea that that that any of this is coming
to an end in any kind of way. I had
an old acquaintance who was offering to to marry same
sex couples before January, and I was like, do y'all
know that he's never opposed like ever yeah, ever, right.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I keep saying this, but my opposition to Trump in
the past has been that he was a moderate and
I was a conservative. So I'm confused that these people
who are on the left and or and or moderates
think that he's going to be some kind of right winger.
He never has been ever, ever, ever, ever, And he's
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very malleable.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
He's very open and convincing.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
He I thought that the Democrats missed a lot of
opportunities in the first term to talk.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Him into stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Now I get purprise.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Respected.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I hope that he doesn't take their conversations, but he
will because.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He likes so to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Kim Kardashian walks through the office and is like, you
should work on pardoning people's slash criminal justice reform, and
he's like, maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, Like that is yep.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I always say, Kim Kardashian understood the process more than
Senate you know, our House Democrats did. So who is
to blame for the Donald Trump win? Well, it's the
voter's Mary Catherine, those dastardly voters. They voted for the
wrong person. And Harris actually ran a flawless campaign. According
to the media, flawless, there were no mistakes.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And I think it's important to say that, you know,
anyone who has experienced or been in the United States
for any period of time and experience this country's history
and knows it cannot have believed that it would be
easy to elect a woman president, let alone a woman
of color.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Let's just be.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Clear, and nothing that was true yesterday about how flawlessly
this CA paign was run is not true now. I mean,
this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She had
Queen Latifa never endorses anyone. She came out of doors,
you know. I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice.
(05:15):
She had, she had the Taylor Swifty to the Swifties,
she had the beehive like, you could not have run
a better campaign in that short period of time. And
I think that's still.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
True, and with a straight face they say that.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
And this is one of those things where the overlap
of democratic activism and media is bad for them, because
what the Democratic Party actually needed was to run a primery.
What I actually needed was to focus on the fact
that Joe Biden was not for the job. Probably back
in twenty twenty one, twenty two and that they were
going to have to have a runway to something else.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Right well, Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris and the entire party
were part of covering that up. The media was part
of covering that up, which is why she had one
hundred and seven day opportunity which.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Was very short.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And also like both the party and the candidate need
to take responsibility for this. I was James Carville, who's
very emotional but still rational, said the other day, like
on the View, when she was asked what would you
do differently than Joe Biden? She couldn't come up with
an answer. Yeah, And this is the important part. That's
the only question she existed to answer. That's that's fall
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And I think if you can't do that, you have
what can you do?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Queen Latifa is not going to save you.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Also, how much was Queen Latifa paid?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Because the other part of this is that apparently the
Harris campaign ran through a billion dollars and spent that
on utter nonsense.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
They paid Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
A million dollars to show up a million dollars to
Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
She didn't do it for free.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Like I'm sorry, that's a really bad sign for you.
And I'm wonder if, like other celebrities got paid or
didn't get paid and now they hear this like.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh, I was supposed to get paid for that.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Also, she spent four four, one hundred thousand dollars a
day to put her face on the Las Vegas form.
Oh man, I'm trying that that's the official fear for
at this sphere. Why why what is that? I mean,
what a terrible use of money. And I'd be so
mad right now. If I was a donor to the
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Kamala Harris campaign, I would say, this is what you
spent money on, and she'd build out that call her
daddy set in a hotel room for one hundred thousand dollars. Why,
I was the worst set I've ever seen my you know,
I showed it to my kids. We were all like,
I could do that for three hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right, I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was truly like a two hundred dollars bill at
TJ Max that would have.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Like read fake books and some like pots.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And I have some experience with that, like I could
do with Oh okay, so you can get it for
like a hundred now it's really it's really wild. And
I think the idea was because she was this, She
was a commodity, she was a prepackaged thing. She wasn't
a person, and so so it was just like, put
cool things around her, put cool people around her, send
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the signals that she is cool. Looks on the spirit,
that's a cool thing. Beyonce's cool. That's a cool thing
like And it just didn't hit voters in any way
about the things they cared about.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Now, they were like, you know, it would be cool.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
How about reducing the price of eggs.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That would be cool. I feel like that's cool. Well,
and then some of the reaction to the election has
of course been to lecture them about how they shouldn't
vote based on their economic self interest. Are they letting that,
letting whether you could afford groceries cloud your judgment.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
When there's so many more important issues than feeding your family.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I think that's not a winning message for them.
I think they're not quite so coping with this yet.
But one of the things I would say to my
Democratic counterparts is that you lost.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Your own people.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, right, those are the people who left.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Someone said they were focused on Republicans who left the
Republican Party instead of on Democrats who were leaving the.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Different They were like, how about another Cheney?
Speaker 7 (09:16):
And I think Democrats while I call yeah, because again
Trump is a moderate and so he was able to
unite people from both sides of the aisle and they
were able to support him without really compromising that much.
Actually it may have been Jensaki that said that, some
good thinking Jensaki. The other thing, can I note that
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women are doing? And it goes into our next subject.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Is this four bu movement?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, which apparently the name comes from a fringe South
Korean feminist movement, so it debuted in the late twenty tens.
It's for B because B is a shorthand for the
word no in Korean.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So good a session. No sex, no dating, no marrying men,
no children.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Right, so that's one of the directives from.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I thought they were already doing that, right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
This is this type of I'm gonna call it hysterical disengagement.
I don't think it's going to help anyone win anymore elections.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, it doesn't move any votes, right, No, one's like
this is cool, this sounds amazing. I will join these women,
or I voted for Donald Trump, but now that I
see this, I will rethink that vote. There's not a
single person doing that, which is what the goal is.
I think if they thought about that, like the goal
is not to rage, the goal is not to punish, the.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Goal is not any of that.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
The goal is to next time get more votes than
the other guy, they might rethink this strategy.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
But I don't think any of these people are.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Thinking that far ahead. In fact, I think they think
that the country's over and democracy has ended and all
of that. Again, I don't remember taking to my bed
when John McCain lost, or Mitt Romney or you know,
Donald Trump last time, or any of that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So I think that if it were my kids.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'd say, I'm sorry you suffered this electoral loss.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Get over it and go to school. That's it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Get out of that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh well, that's another thing. By the way, our friend
Bethany Mandel wrote in the New York Post about moms
who are who clearly have scared the mess out of
their children over this.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Dad's too.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
There's at least one dad mentioned, And this is an
ongoing problem from COVID to now where it's like, yeah,
it's the you need to stand in the breach for
your children. If you are scared of something, you can
you have perspective about it, right, Sometimes pretend you're not scared.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Dads on airplanes, yeah, considering the stability.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Them like, no, no, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
The crash. I totally think we're getting as you see.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Good for you, Carol, I thank you doing what you
need to do.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
When Donald Trump won the first time, we were living
in Brooklyn and my daughter was going to school in Manhattan.
She was in first grade, and I remember I stayed
up all night because when a shop to the system,
I had no id. You know, I did not think
he had any chance at all. It was unbelievable. She
wakes up in the morning and I kind of knew
what it was going to be like for her. In
New York City, the kids were going to be upset,
and they were. They were crying children in her class.
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But just to praise my own parenting, I was like, hey,
I just want to tell you Donald Trump won. And
she looked at me and she's like, one what, she
was unaware he was running for anything, So oh, yeah,
that's how you the kids. First graders should be a
one what conversation, m H.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I like, my kids knew there's a presidential election going on.
They had a sort of they were underwhelmed by Kamala Harris,
but not because of me, Honestly. I let them just
listen to her, and they thought Donald Trump was sort
of funny, which actually is sort of a lesson for Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, be sort of funny about.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Why this went the way it went.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I go, I always go back to the Harris
walls obviously. Yeah, if that is your take, you can't
convince anybody who might think something different.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's it. So I think that's a problem for them.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah. Can I also note, and I'm not going to
play the clip because it's too graphic, but there's one
one young woman it suggested that her revenge would be
throwing dirty sanitary products at the trucks of the men
who had caused this calamity man and I just had
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a thought about that because she's like, Oh, they'll be
so horrified if they if they really want to control
our bodies, then you'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
What it's really like.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right, every single college educator feminists has clogged a toilet at.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Some point doing the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And do they think it was college educated feminist plumbers
who came.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
To clean that out?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh yeah, that's a really.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I just I just don't think you're gonna surprise them,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Is that too much for the show? Sorry, everybody?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean, I think that's an excellent point. It wasn't
actually the feminists doing the plunging in there.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah yeah, well I don't think you were in college
and messed that up.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Okay, yep.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
The other thing is that white women are getting the
brunt of the complaints about what went wrong here from
the left. I'm talking progressive white women, not us, because
we're like, hah yeah, maybe it was our fault.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
No, no, progressive white women.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And we're not going to play another joy read clip
because we have another one for later and that's just
too much joy read for any show. But she is like,
I'm not joining you or you know, resistance this time,
no pink hats this time for us. Black women are
sitting that out. And then another another clip I saw
on Instagram had this openly gay man talking about how
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him and his husband now have to think about where
they're gonna live and whether the marriage is gonna be valid,
which again not a thing. And how white women like,
we're gonna wear blue bracelets to signal that they were
allies and the keep at such a wrong move for
them to do because if you were really an ally,
you wouldn't need the bracelet. I'm just like these white
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women liberals keep the lift this way. I don't know
do they think when they hear these kinds of like attacks,
like real attacks on their character and on their person,
are they like, oh, they don't make me or do
they just take it?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think they take it, and I think there is
there's a certain sub section that enjoys it, right Like there,
I saw one woman speaking, of course straight to camera
because all these selfie videos or all selfie videos, you
gotta set it up before you cry. And she's like,
she's like, it's not for you to decide whether you're
safe for black and brown women, It's for them to decide.
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And it's like this self flagellation is so stuck in
twenty twenty. Yeah, and I think people are done.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
With it, and I'd be so.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Emo reactions are not a small part of what was
rejected onto it, right Yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You can never be right.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
It's a circular firing squad. As I like to say,
that circular firing squad. They never miss they always hit somebody.
So if you're in that squad, like, maybe take a
step out, because it's going to be you one day.
Yeah it's white liberal.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Women today, but it could be anybody at any time.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Black men have been targeted for for that circular firing squad.
Occasionally they don't do enough of you know, black men,
I've heard or the white men of black people.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's literally some thing people used to say.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
And you know, so if you're in that leftist circular
firing squad, like, just no, they're going to come for
you eventually.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It might not be you today, but it will be sometime.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And a lot of people that used to be doing
that have and we're in your coalition have opted out.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
As a result, by the.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Latino men are getting a lot of you know, men
and women are getting a lot of blowback because those
demographics moved toward Trump. But every demographic moved to toward
Trump except for college educated white women. I believe it's
the that's the one that no, I.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Think it's I think it's all women because black women
also did not move for Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So so like the number of demographics that moved toward
Trump that are people you consider allies.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
That should be in your coalition.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, so far out numbers those who moved toward the
Democratic Party. That's the thing you need to think about.
Did you see the stat that was like some exit
polling that sixty plus percent of American Indians very.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's so good, every one of those like, you know,
and this person's unsafe, and that person's unsafe, and Indigenous
people are unsafe, and Indigenous people are like, we're going
to be over here now.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It's really amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I do think the again I said, I'd like a
decisive victory no matter what happens.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, And this one was so decisive.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Across the board that I think it is going to
force a lot of people on the left to reckon
with it eventually, I will. I'll take another couple of
losses before that.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I mean another point of data. Forty eight states moved
to the right, all but Utah and Washington State. And
what I heard about Utah is that it was so
on the right that there wasn't just that much space
to move to the right, So I'm what you need
to do.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, you can't just all least so far.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You can go.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So yeah, forty eight states moved to the right, including
California and New York.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because it's gonna be some soul searching.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I again don't know that there will be, but let's hope.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
A notable I don't know if I said this on
the last podcast, but that that referendum that increased about
initiatives that increased punishments for shoplifting and drug offenses in
California passed at like seventy plus percent all over the state.
And meanwhile, Gavin Newsome future of the Democratic Party is like,
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I am ready to resist the Trump administration. It's like,
I'm not sure that your state is ready for that.
I think I told you that they're resisting you, right,
liberal governance in their towns.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, well, this is all shaping up to be a
really happy Thanksgiving. That's the country. I think families are
getting ready to hopefully not be at each other's throats.
But it certainly seems like the media, particularly MSNBC and CNN,
are setting it up that perhaps they want to encourage
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people to argue with their Trump relatives Joy Reid. Second
clip from her Today had on a psychologist, and she
asked her if the psychologist recommends being around those awful
family members who voted differently than you did.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
How do you interact with people who you know voted
for this right if you are an LGBTQ person and
you know someone in your family voted essentially against your rights,
or you're a woman knowing that you know this man
was calling people the B word. Jade Vance was literally
calling Kamala Harris the trash and said we're going to
take out the trash. I know a lot of black
women were incredibly triggered by that. And if you then
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meet somebody and you know they voted for the people
who called you trash, or if you're Puerto Rican, you
know and you know someone voted that way, do you recommend,
just from a psychological standpoint, being around them. We got
the holidays coming up.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
So I love that you asked this question because you
know there is a push, I think just a societal
norm that if somebody is your family, that they are
entitled to your time. And I think think the answer
is absolutely not. So if you are going to a
situation where you have family members where you have close
friends who you know have voted in ways that are
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against you, like what you said, against your livelihood, and
it's completely fine to not be around those people and
to tell them why, you know, to say I have
a problem with the way that you voted because it
went against my very livelihood and I'm not going to
be around you this holiday. I need to take some
space for me and I actually talk to you know,
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adults as well as advising parents for children. I mean,
I think, you know, I don't think that you should
force children. I don't think you should have forced adults
to be around people just because they're your family. I
think there's a level of, you know, need to establish boundaries.
And if you feel like you need to establish boundaries
with people, whether they're your family or not, I think
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you should very much be entitled to do so, and
I think it may be essential for your mental health.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I am of the don't split apart from your family
or your close.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Friends do over politics.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
On X this account, this small account went viral for
posting that people should cut off their family members. And look,
you know, a small account on x saying something whatever,
but that person got all of these comments, including from
people who said they were cutting off their.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Children and never seeing their grandchildren, and.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
It's just crushing. And I can't imagine what.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
My kids would need to believe.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And I've made the joke like maybe you know, even
if they come home in a Stalin shirt, I'll be like, h,
he killed a lot of our family members. Please don't
wear that. But I would never be like, and you're
not welcome in my home. Belief is just that, and
you can't and you shouldn't be cutting off family members
for what they believe and who they voted for, families everything,
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And you know, I really think that people need to
hear that, they need to hear that family is important
and your politics are less important than that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, I think the people that folks should set healthy
boundaries with first are like joy read, you know, because
because a lot of this truly, and I know that
some people really are hurting. And I thought the same
thing during COVID. I thought there were people who were
really hurting who shouldn't have to be because a lot
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of things had been ginned up to make them very scared,
and that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That was a systematic effort. And I didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I know that yelling people yelling at people about
their anxiety probably doesn't solve their anxiety, but like there
needs to be some evaluation of how much of this
angst is self inflicted, because if you're cutting off family members,
I would suggest that you wait for Trump to like
do something first, right, Yeah, that would if you. I
(23:53):
actually heard somebody who had who is very on the
never Trump side of the folks who the Republican Party
over him, who said, like, yeah, I think one of
the better things that we could do as never Trump
people and that the media could do is actually evaluate
what he does balls and joke.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's bold.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's a bold strategy, and I think it's one that
many people should undertake, and it would keep them a
little bit more between the navigational beacons because this is
I get it. Look, you want to set some healthy boundaries.
Sure that if you feel this way, the rest of
your family is going to have a great time with
you anyway. But like, it's very sad, like you say,
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I have plenty of friends of family who disagree with me,
always have and they know it. I talk about it publicly,
and you know, I.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Just think it. It's very tragic to end up.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, this place, we're going to take a short break
and come right back with normally, But if you didn't
talk politics with the people in your family that disagree
with you. I mean, I always think about this, like,
you guys are not solving anything. Nobody's solving anything at
the Thanksgiving table, Like, oh okay, now that we have
screamed at each other and ruined thingsgiving, things will be
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better in the country. Like that doesn't happen. So maybe
just argue about you know, marshmallows on sweet potatoes, because
I'm pretty in for that.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
By the way, I would say that you're if you
are a person of the left and who would like
for the Democratic Party to win more elections, you're not
helping by disengaging from the people that they need to
woo back into the party.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yep, especially people you love.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yes, those could be the people you might be most
convincing with, right, So I think that's a bad idea
of speaking of things that he's done. By the way,
that might be interesting to those who are scared. Did
you know that he named his chief of staff Carol
That's right, Yeah, Jusey Wiles, Susie Wiles as chief staff.
By the way, Trump has had now the first female
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campaign manager to win a presidential election. That was Kelly
and Conway and Susie Wiles. The incoming chief of staff
for the White House will be the first female chief
of staff for the White.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Someone's like, you value women?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, maybe he actually isn't anti women the way that
they say, or are they wearing the like, you know,
the the red outfit. I forgot what it's called.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh yeah, the Handmaid's t handmaid Yeah, that's actually they're
going to do. Any Liebowitz is going to do a
photoshoot for Susie Wiles like she does for all liberal women,
except she's going to require that Susie Will's wear the
Handmaid's tail outfit.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well, I'm sure religious figures.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Are saying what we're saying, right that perhaps don't argue
with your families over Thanksgiving, don't cut people.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Off or u and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
However, Jonathan Kapeart at MSNBC interviewed a bishop who is
not saying that.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
That's roll the clip.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
The thing that I'm grappling with is that someone was
elected who ran a campaign that was openly hostile openly racist, xenophobic, misogynistic,
transphob to everything. And yet now the election's over, folks
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accept the results. But now how do we How do
we move forward when we know the people in you
have people in their families who voted for him, They
work with people who voted for him, They live next
to people who voted for him.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
What do you.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
How do we how should we deal with those neighbors,
co workers, family members.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
Well, first of all, we have to remain passionate about
protecting these most vulnerable people. You're absolutely right. If this
new president does half of what he says, there will
be so many of them in danger. I think the
way to move forward with in a family or in
the whole culture is this. Every religion in the world
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has some version of do under others as you would
have them do under you. Love your neighbor, even love
your enemies. Those of us Christians have. And here's the trick.
Loving has little to do with liking. You don't have
to like someone to treat them like the child of
God they are. You can argue with them, you can
fight with them over all kinds of things, but you
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can't not treat them as a person of worth and
respect that God que him to be.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
He confirms, for kypart, that so many Americans are going
to be in danger. I do not like that from
a religious leader at all, but I guess that's the
guy who.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Goes on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, he comes back around at the enemies like you
should treat people with respect, and I assume like it
seemed quite clear that he included people who voted the
way you didn't under that umbrella of God's love, which
I appreciate, and Ky parts like Jack, can we go
to someone else on this? I do think again part
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of this emotionalism and the reaction and to Trump, who,
like Grant, it is a very unconventional candidate. I understand
that people are not used to all. We should be
used to it by now, but sure I understand that
they're evaluating him in a way that is different from
other candidates. That it can be jar but like when
you freak out to this degree as they have been
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doing since twenty fifteen, people read, Okay, it's the end
of the world, and then it wasn't the end of
the world for forty years, and then they say he's
Hitler and he doesn't look like Hitler.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Because Hitler's just serving fries.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I just think that it creates this gap between
what the leader telling people and what they experience in
their real lives, and they're not buying it. And Jonathan
Caepart is like a lead purveyor of the things that
sharing are not.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Buy Yeah, absolutely all of that is correct. I don't
think any lessons will be learned. I think we're hopefully
getting through to somebody with this, But I just I
see them doubling down on the crazy for the next
fe years and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think it won't go well for them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Although you know, as as noted, Trump will have to
do things that earn him cred with the people who
voted for Yeah, so that will be part of the
formula as well. Can we note one last thing before
we're done, a literal victory dance for Trump in the
NFL this weekend? Is then it fell spelling?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I thought after the Cowboys collapse, we're we're all done
here or you just checked out?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah? I mean I is it still on TV? I
thought they don't.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
As a lion span an uncharacteristic couple of decent seasons.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So no, So Nick Bosa, who is.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
A who plays for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
First this past week, he.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Was fine eleven thousand dollars for violating league policy against
displaying personal messages when he crashed an NBC postgame interview
wearing a Maga Okay, right, so that was hender.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
They usually fine people for political messages, Mary Catherine, I
feel like there was a lot of political messaging for
a while there that no one was fined for, so
perhaps perhaps this was a new, newly implemented policy.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So he gets fined, he says it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't care if they find me.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Uh. And then at this week's game, he scores a
touchdown and he joined by uh.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Several teammates of color.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I should note did be trump YMCA dance as his
celebration dance, and you know what, they can't find him
for that one's but I think that sort of encapsulates
again this phenomenon where he wears a Maga hat. He's
fined for his centrist to right leaning Maga views. The
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rules feel like they're different for other people. And then
in the end a bunch of people join in in
this goofy dance because they don't find Trump to be
the threat that the people in charge have been telling them.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
He is, yeah, Righty Trump should have just ran on
He's not actually Hitler.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Was that the that was sort of the campaign, that
was right, he did really run on that. Trump of
course put on truth social in all caps. Nick Bosa
is a great player.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Amazing that.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's where were end for today.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I love it well.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
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Thanks for listening and when things get weird, act normally
Hey guys, and welcome to Normally. This is the show
with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am Mary Catherine.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hamp and I am Carol Markowitz.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
And the news is actually extra weird right now, extra
super weird. And this NBC is like reacting so well
to the chrump when they're doing just great.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I mean, their ratings were really good, partly because I
think a lot of people tuned in.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
To watched the reaction, more.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
People than usual, and I think both in media circles
and in liberal activist circles. But I sort of repeat myself.
You know they're processing and it's going to take a minute.
There's I think I want to kick us off with
one clip of a sort of liberal activist woman on
TikTok who sort of embodies some of the reactions in
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that world online things you may be seeing on your
Facebook page. Let's hear a little bit from her.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I took the morning Degree. That's all the time we have.
Now is your time to start making a plan. Women,
I'm here to talk to you today. The first thing
you're going to do is you're going to delete your
period tracking app. I don't care what state you're in.
Go into your history, take out a paper planner, write
down your history so that you have it, because I
know that you it. You use it to track population
and all of that stuff. You can't do that in
an app anymore. Before you delete the app, you're going
(01:27):
to delete your data out of the app. That's not
a sure way to make sure that they can't use
it against you later, but it helps. Next thing you're
going to do, you're going to get Planned B or
it's prescription equivalent. If you are comfortable getting the prescription,
you can go to your doctor, and sometimes you can
get it for free. That version I think is called ELLA.
And then if you are not comfortable or unable to
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do that with your doctor, go get Plan B in
cash at your local pharmacy. I don't care if you
don't need it right now, just keep it on your shelf.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I picked her because she's hitting all the marks of
the hysteria without actually yelling, which for an audio podcast
I just didn't want to do to you guys.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
We'll have plenty of that later.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
By the way, I love the idea that the government,
which like can't do rural broadband, is going to also
track my period like I have tracked my peerents as
I was fortunate, Like I haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right there were the app I was like, what are
these kids doing? Amazing?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And you know, we have lost elections before we I
you know, my first election that I voted was nineteen
ninety six. I've lost basically all, you know, but a
few in there. I was never like, grab all the
algebra books. They're taking away algebra from eighth graders, like,
because that's the equivalent here, that's the thinking process here.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It is somebody damaged this person, Somebody.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Made her afraid of things.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
That she shouldn't be afraid of, and now she's spreading
that fear to other people.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I think in ironically it's often sort of projection.
She would likely tell you that Trump won based on
fear while she's saying.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
This, and.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's just like you, she's also spreading misinformation, man, like
the idea that that that any of this is coming
to an end in any kind of way. I had
an old acquaintance who was offering to to marry same
sex couples before January, and I was like, do y'all
know that he's never opposed like ever yeah, ever, right.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I keep saying this, but my opposition to Trump in
the past has been that he was a moderate and
I was a conservative. So I'm confused that these people
who are on the left and or and or moderates
think that he's going to be some kind of right winger.
He never has been ever, ever, ever, ever, And he's
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very malleable.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
He's very open and convincing.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
He I thought that the Democrats missed a lot of
opportunities in the first term to talk.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Him into stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Now I get purprise.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Respected.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I hope that he doesn't take their conversations, but he
will because.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
He likes so to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Kim Kardashian walks through the office and is like, you
should work on pardoning people's slash criminal justice reform, and
he's like, maybe I will.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, Like that is yep.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I always say, Kim Kardashian understood the process more than
Senate you know, our House Democrats did. So who is
to blame for the Donald Trump win? Well, it's the
voter's Mary Catherine, those dastardly voters. They voted for the
wrong person. And Harris actually ran a flawless campaign. According
to the media, flawless, there were no mistakes.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And I think it's important to say that, you know,
anyone who has experienced or been in the United States
for any period of time and experience this country's history
and knows it cannot have believed that it would be
easy to elect a woman president, let alone a woman
of color.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Let's just be.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Clear, and nothing that was true yesterday about how flawlessly
this CA paign was run is not true now. I mean,
this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She had
Queen Latifa never endorses anyone. She came out of doors,
you know. I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice.
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She had, she had the Taylor Swifty to the Swifties,
she had the beehive like, you could not have run
a better campaign in that short period of time. And
I think that's still.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
True, and with a straight face they say that.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
And this is one of those things where the overlap
of democratic activism and media is bad for them, because
what the Democratic Party actually needed was to run a primery.
What I actually needed was to focus on the fact
that Joe Biden was not for the job. Probably back
in twenty twenty one, twenty two and that they were
going to have to have a runway to something else.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Right well, Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris and the entire party
were part of covering that up. The media was part
of covering that up, which is why she had one
hundred and seven day opportunity which.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Was very short.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And also like both the party and the candidate need
to take responsibility for this. I was James Carville, who's
very emotional but still rational, said the other day, like
on the View, when she was asked what would you
do differently than Joe Biden? She couldn't come up with
an answer. Yeah, And this is the important part. That's
the only question she existed to answer. That's that's fall
(06:26):
And I think if you can't do that, you have
what can you do?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Queen Latifa is not going to save you.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Also, how much was Queen Latifa paid?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Because the other part of this is that apparently the
Harris campaign ran through a billion dollars and spent that
on utter nonsense.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
They paid Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
A million dollars to show up a million dollars to
Oprah Winfrey.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
She didn't do it for free.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Like I'm sorry, that's a really bad sign for you.
And I'm wonder if, like other celebrities got paid or
didn't get paid and now they hear this like.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh, I was supposed to get paid for that.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Also, she spent four four, one hundred thousand dollars a
day to put her face on the Las Vegas form.
Oh man, I'm trying that that's the official fear for
at this sphere. Why why what is that? I mean,
what a terrible use of money. And I'd be so
mad right now. If I was a donor to the
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Kamala Harris campaign, I would say, this is what you
spent money on, and she'd build out that call her
daddy set in a hotel room for one hundred thousand dollars. Why,
I was the worst set I've ever seen my you know,
I showed it to my kids. We were all like,
I could do that for three hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right, I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was truly like a two hundred dollars bill at
TJ Max that would have.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Like read fake books and some like pots.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And I have some experience with that, like I could
do with Oh okay, so you can get it for
like a hundred now it's really it's really wild. And
I think the idea was because she was this, She
was a commodity, she was a prepackaged thing. She wasn't
a person, and so so it was just like, put
cool things around her, put cool people around her, send
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the signals that she is cool. Looks on the spirit,
that's a cool thing. Beyonce's cool. That's a cool thing
like And it just didn't hit voters in any way
about the things they cared about.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Now, they were like, you know, it would be cool.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
How about reducing the price of eggs.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That would be cool. I feel like that's cool. Well,
and then some of the reaction to the election has
of course been to lecture them about how they shouldn't
vote based on their economic self interest. Are they letting that,
letting whether you could afford groceries cloud your judgment.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
When there's so many more important issues than feeding your family.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I think that's not a winning message for them.
I think they're not quite so coping with this yet.
But one of the things I would say to my
Democratic counterparts is that you lost.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Your own people.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, right, those are the people who left.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Someone said they were focused on Republicans who left the
Republican Party instead of on Democrats who were leaving the.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Different They were like, how about another Cheney?
Speaker 7 (09:16):
And I think Democrats while I call yeah, because again
Trump is a moderate and so he was able to
unite people from both sides of the aisle and they
were able to support him without really compromising that much.
Actually it may have been Jensaki that said that, some
good thinking Jensaki. The other thing, can I note that
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women are doing? And it goes into our next subject.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Is this four bu movement?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, which apparently the name comes from a fringe South
Korean feminist movement, so it debuted in the late twenty tens.
It's for B because B is a shorthand for the
word no in Korean.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So good a session. No sex, no dating, no marrying men,
no children.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Right, so that's one of the directives from.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I thought they were already doing that, right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
This is this type of I'm gonna call it hysterical disengagement.
I don't think it's going to help anyone win anymore elections.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, it doesn't move any votes, right, No, one's like
this is cool, this sounds amazing. I will join these women,
or I voted for Donald Trump, but now that I
see this, I will rethink that vote. There's not a
single person doing that, which is what the goal is.
I think if they thought about that, like the goal
is not to rage, the goal is not to punish, the.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Goal is not any of that.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
The goal is to next time get more votes than
the other guy, they might rethink this strategy.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
But I don't think any of these people are.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Thinking that far ahead. In fact, I think they think
that the country's over and democracy has ended and all
of that. Again, I don't remember taking to my bed
when John McCain lost, or Mitt Romney or you know,
Donald Trump last time, or any of that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So I think that if it were my kids.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'd say, I'm sorry you suffered this electoral loss.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Get over it and go to school. That's it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Get out of that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh well, that's another thing. By the way, our friend
Bethany Mandel wrote in the New York Post about moms
who are who clearly have scared the mess out of
their children over this.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Dad's too.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
There's at least one dad mentioned, And this is an
ongoing problem from COVID to now where it's like, yeah,
it's the you need to stand in the breach for
your children. If you are scared of something, you can
you have perspective about it, right, Sometimes pretend you're not scared.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Dads on airplanes, yeah, considering the stability.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Them like, no, no, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
The crash. I totally think we're getting as you see.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Good for you, Carol, I thank you doing what you
need to do.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
We'll be right back on normally.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
When Donald Trump won the first time, we were living
in Brooklyn and my daughter was going to school in Manhattan.
She was in first grade, and I remember I stayed
up all night because when a shop to the system,
I had no id. You know, I did not think
he had any chance at all. It was unbelievable. She
wakes up in the morning and I kind of knew
what it was going to be like for her. In
New York City, the kids were going to be upset,
and they were. They were crying children in her class.
(12:32):
But just to praise my own parenting, I was like, hey,
I just want to tell you Donald Trump won. And
she looked at me and she's like, one what, she
was unaware he was running for anything, So oh, yeah,
that's how you the kids. First graders should be a
one what conversation, m H.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I like, my kids knew there's a presidential election going on.
They had a sort of they were underwhelmed by Kamala Harris,
but not because of me, Honestly. I let them just
listen to her, and they thought Donald Trump was sort
of funny, which actually is sort of a lesson for Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, be sort of funny about.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Why this went the way it went.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I go, I always go back to the Harris
walls obviously. Yeah, if that is your take, you can't
convince anybody who might think something different.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's it. So I think that's a problem for them.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah. Can I also note, and I'm not going to
play the clip because it's too graphic, but there's one
one young woman it suggested that her revenge would be
throwing dirty sanitary products at the trucks of the men
who had caused this calamity man and I just had
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a thought about that because she's like, Oh, they'll be
so horrified if they if they really want to control
our bodies, then you'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
What it's really like.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right, every single college educator feminists has clogged a toilet at.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Some point doing the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And do they think it was college educated feminist plumbers
who came.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
To clean that out?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Oh yeah, that's a really.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I just I just don't think you're gonna surprise them,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Is that too much for the show? Sorry, everybody?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean, I think that's an excellent point. It wasn't
actually the feminists doing the plunging in there.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah yeah, well I don't think you were in college
and messed that up.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Okay, yep.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
The other thing is that white women are getting the
brunt of the complaints about what went wrong here from
the left. I'm talking progressive white women, not us, because
we're like, hah yeah, maybe it was our fault.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
No, no, progressive white women.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And we're not going to play another joy read clip
because we have another one for later and that's just
too much joy read for any show. But she is like,
I'm not joining you or you know, resistance this time,
no pink hats this time for us. Black women are
sitting that out. And then another another clip I saw
on Instagram had this openly gay man talking about how
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him and his husband now have to think about where
they're gonna live and whether the marriage is gonna be valid,
which again not a thing. And how white women like,
we're gonna wear blue bracelets to signal that they were
allies and the keep at such a wrong move for
them to do because if you were really an ally,
you wouldn't need the bracelet. I'm just like these white
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women liberals keep the lift this way. I don't know
do they think when they hear these kinds of like attacks,
like real attacks on their character and on their person,
are they like, oh, they don't make me or do
they just take it?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think they take it, and I think there is
there's a certain sub section that enjoys it, right Like there,
I saw one woman speaking, of course straight to camera
because all these selfie videos or all selfie videos, you
gotta set it up before you cry. And she's like,
she's like, it's not for you to decide whether you're
safe for black and brown women, It's for them to decide.
(16:13):
And it's like this self flagellation is so stuck in
twenty twenty. Yeah, and I think people are done.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
With it, and I'd be so.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Emo reactions are not a small part of what was
rejected onto it, right Yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You can never be right.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
It's a circular firing squad. As I like to say,
that circular firing squad. They never miss they always hit somebody.
So if you're in that squad, like, maybe take a
step out, because it's going to be you one day.
Yeah it's white liberal.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Women today, but it could be anybody at any time.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Black men have been targeted for for that circular firing squad.
Occasionally they don't do enough of you know, black men,
I've heard or the white men of black people.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's literally some thing people used to say.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
And you know, so if you're in that leftist circular
firing squad, like, just no, they're going to come for
you eventually.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It might not be you today, but it will be sometime.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And a lot of people that used to be doing
that have and we're in your coalition have opted out.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
As a result, by the.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Latino men are getting a lot of you know, men
and women are getting a lot of blowback because those
demographics moved toward Trump. But every demographic moved to toward
Trump except for college educated white women. I believe it's
the that's the one that no, I.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Think it's I think it's all women because black women
also did not move for Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So so like the number of demographics that moved toward
Trump that are people you consider allies.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
That should be in your coalition.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, so far out numbers those who moved toward the
Democratic Party. That's the thing you need to think about.
Did you see the stat that was like some exit
polling that sixty plus percent of American Indians very.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's so good, every one of those like, you know,
and this person's unsafe, and that person's unsafe, and Indigenous
people are unsafe, and Indigenous people are like, we're going
to be over here now.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It's really amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I do think the again I said, I'd like a
decisive victory no matter what happens.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, And this one was so decisive.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Across the board that I think it is going to
force a lot of people on the left to reckon
with it eventually, I will. I'll take another couple of
losses before that.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I mean another point of data. Forty eight states moved
to the right, all but Utah and Washington State. And
what I heard about Utah is that it was so
on the right that there wasn't just that much space
to move to the right, So I'm what you need
to do.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, you can't just all least so far.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You can go.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So yeah, forty eight states moved to the right, including
California and New York.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because it's gonna be some soul searching.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I again don't know that there will be, but let's hope.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
A notable I don't know if I said this on
the last podcast, but that that referendum that increased about
initiatives that increased punishments for shoplifting and drug offenses in
California passed at like seventy plus percent all over the state.
And meanwhile, Gavin Newsome future of the Democratic Party is like,
(19:25):
I am ready to resist the Trump administration. It's like,
I'm not sure that your state is ready for that.
I think I told you that they're resisting you, right,
liberal governance in their towns.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, well, this is all shaping up to be a
really happy Thanksgiving. That's the country. I think families are
getting ready to hopefully not be at each other's throats.
But it certainly seems like the media, particularly MSNBC and CNN,
are setting it up that perhaps they want to encourage
(20:00):
people to argue with their Trump relatives Joy Reid. Second
clip from her Today had on a psychologist, and she
asked her if the psychologist recommends being around those awful
family members who voted differently than you did.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
How do you interact with people who you know voted
for this right if you are an LGBTQ person and
you know someone in your family voted essentially against your rights,
or you're a woman knowing that you know this man
was calling people the B word. Jade Vance was literally
calling Kamala Harris the trash and said we're going to
take out the trash. I know a lot of black
women were incredibly triggered by that. And if you then
(20:35):
meet somebody and you know they voted for the people
who called you trash, or if you're Puerto Rican, you
know and you know someone voted that way, do you recommend,
just from a psychological standpoint, being around them. We got
the holidays coming up.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
So I love that you asked this question because you
know there is a push, I think just a societal
norm that if somebody is your family, that they are
entitled to your time. And I think think the answer
is absolutely not. So if you are going to a
situation where you have family members where you have close
friends who you know have voted in ways that are
(21:11):
against you, like what you said, against your livelihood, and
it's completely fine to not be around those people and
to tell them why, you know, to say I have
a problem with the way that you voted because it
went against my very livelihood and I'm not going to
be around you this holiday. I need to take some
space for me and I actually talk to you know,
(21:31):
adults as well as advising parents for children. I mean,
I think, you know, I don't think that you should
force children. I don't think you should have forced adults
to be around people just because they're your family. I
think there's a level of, you know, need to establish boundaries.
And if you feel like you need to establish boundaries
with people, whether they're your family or not, I think
(21:53):
you should very much be entitled to do so, and
I think it may be essential for your mental health.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I am of the don't split apart from your family
or your close.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Friends do over politics.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
On X this account, this small account went viral for
posting that people should cut off their family members. And look,
you know, a small account on x saying something whatever,
but that person got all of these comments, including from
people who said they were cutting off their.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Children and never seeing their grandchildren, and.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
It's just crushing. And I can't imagine what.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
My kids would need to believe.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
And I've made the joke like maybe you know, even
if they come home in a Stalin shirt, I'll be like, h,
he killed a lot of our family members. Please don't
wear that. But I would never be like, and you're
not welcome in my home. Belief is just that, and
you can't and you shouldn't be cutting off family members
for what they believe and who they voted for, families everything,
(22:51):
And you know, I really think that people need to
hear that, they need to hear that family is important
and your politics are less important than that.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, I think the people that folks should set healthy
boundaries with first are like joy read, you know, because
because a lot of this truly, and I know that
some people really are hurting. And I thought the same
thing during COVID. I thought there were people who were
really hurting who shouldn't have to be because a lot
(23:21):
of things had been ginned up to make them very scared,
and that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That was a systematic effort. And I didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And I know that yelling people yelling at people about
their anxiety probably doesn't solve their anxiety, but like there
needs to be some evaluation of how much of this
angst is self inflicted, because if you're cutting off family members,
I would suggest that you wait for Trump to like
do something first, right, Yeah, that would if you. I
(23:53):
actually heard somebody who had who is very on the
never Trump side of the folks who the Republican Party
over him, who said, like, yeah, I think one of
the better things that we could do as never Trump
people and that the media could do is actually evaluate
what he does balls and joke.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's bold.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's a bold strategy, and I think it's one that
many people should undertake, and it would keep them a
little bit more between the navigational beacons because this is
I get it. Look, you want to set some healthy boundaries.
Sure that if you feel this way, the rest of
your family is going to have a great time with
you anyway. But like, it's very sad, like you say,
(24:34):
I have plenty of friends of family who disagree with me,
always have and they know it. I talk about it publicly,
and you know, I.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Just think it. It's very tragic to end up.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, this place, we're going to take a short break
and come right back with normally, But if you didn't
talk politics with the people in your family that disagree
with you. I mean, I always think about this, like,
you guys are not solving anything. Nobody's solving anything at
the Thanksgiving table, Like, oh okay, now that we have
screamed at each other and ruined thingsgiving, things will be
(25:11):
better in the country. Like that doesn't happen. So maybe
just argue about you know, marshmallows on sweet potatoes, because
I'm pretty in for that.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
By the way, I would say that you're if you
are a person of the left and who would like
for the Democratic Party to win more elections, you're not
helping by disengaging from the people that they need to
woo back into the party.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yep, especially people you love.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yes, those could be the people you might be most
convincing with, right, So I think that's a bad idea
of speaking of things that he's done. By the way,
that might be interesting to those who are scared. Did
you know that he named his chief of staff Carol
That's right, Yeah, Jusey Wiles, Susie Wiles as chief staff.
By the way, Trump has had now the first female
(25:55):
campaign manager to win a presidential election. That was Kelly
and Conway and Susie Wiles. The incoming chief of staff
for the White House will be the first female chief
of staff for the White.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Someone's like, you value women?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, maybe he actually isn't anti women the way that
they say, or are they wearing the like, you know,
the the red outfit. I forgot what it's called.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh yeah, the Handmaid's t handmaid Yeah, that's actually they're
going to do. Any Liebowitz is going to do a
photoshoot for Susie Wiles like she does for all liberal women,
except she's going to require that Susie Will's wear the
Handmaid's tail outfit.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well, I'm sure religious figures.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Are saying what we're saying, right that perhaps don't argue
with your families over Thanksgiving, don't cut people.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Off or u and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
However, Jonathan Kapeart at MSNBC interviewed a bishop who is
not saying that.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
That's roll the clip.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
The thing that I'm grappling with is that someone was
elected who ran a campaign that was openly hostile openly racist, xenophobic, misogynistic,
transphob to everything. And yet now the election's over, folks
(27:11):
accept the results. But now how do we How do
we move forward when we know the people in you
have people in their families who voted for him, They
work with people who voted for him, They live next
to people who voted for him.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
What do you.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
How do we how should we deal with those neighbors,
co workers, family members.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
Well, first of all, we have to remain passionate about
protecting these most vulnerable people. You're absolutely right. If this
new president does half of what he says, there will
be so many of them in danger. I think the
way to move forward with in a family or in
the whole culture is this. Every religion in the world
(27:56):
has some version of do under others as you would
have them do under you. Love your neighbor, even love
your enemies. Those of us Christians have. And here's the trick.
Loving has little to do with liking. You don't have
to like someone to treat them like the child of
God they are. You can argue with them, you can
fight with them over all kinds of things, but you
(28:18):
can't not treat them as a person of worth and
respect that God que him to be.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
He confirms, for kypart, that so many Americans are going
to be in danger. I do not like that from
a religious leader at all, but I guess that's the
guy who.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Goes on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, he comes back around at the enemies like you
should treat people with respect, and I assume like it
seemed quite clear that he included people who voted the
way you didn't under that umbrella of God's love, which
I appreciate, and Ky parts like Jack, can we go
to someone else on this? I do think again part
(28:57):
of this emotionalism and the reaction and to Trump, who,
like Grant, it is a very unconventional candidate. I understand
that people are not used to all. We should be
used to it by now, but sure I understand that
they're evaluating him in a way that is different from
other candidates. That it can be jar but like when
you freak out to this degree as they have been
(29:18):
doing since twenty fifteen, people read, Okay, it's the end
of the world, and then it wasn't the end of
the world for forty years, and then they say he's
Hitler and he doesn't look like Hitler.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Because Hitler's just serving fries.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I just think that it creates this gap between
what the leader telling people and what they experience in
their real lives, and they're not buying it. And Jonathan
Caepart is like a lead purveyor of the things that
sharing are not.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Buy Yeah, absolutely all of that is correct. I don't
think any lessons will be learned. I think we're hopefully
getting through to somebody with this, But I just I
see them doubling down on the crazy for the next
fe years and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think it won't go well for them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Although you know, as as noted, Trump will have to
do things that earn him cred with the people who
voted for Yeah, so that will be part of the
formula as well. Can we note one last thing before
we're done, a literal victory dance for Trump in the
NFL this weekend? Is then it fell spelling?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I thought after the Cowboys collapse, we're we're all done
here or you just checked out?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah? I mean I is it still on TV? I
thought they don't.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
As a lion span an uncharacteristic couple of decent seasons.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So no, So Nick Bosa, who is.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
A who plays for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
First this past week, he.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Was fine eleven thousand dollars for violating league policy against
displaying personal messages when he crashed an NBC postgame interview
wearing a Maga Okay, right, so that was hender.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
They usually fine people for political messages, Mary Catherine, I
feel like there was a lot of political messaging for
a while there that no one was fined for, so
perhaps perhaps this was a new, newly implemented policy.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
So he gets fined, he says it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't care if they find me.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Uh. And then at this week's game, he scores a
touchdown and he joined by uh.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Several teammates of color.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I should note did be trump YMCA dance as his
celebration dance, and you know what, they can't find him
for that one's but I think that sort of encapsulates
again this phenomenon where he wears a Maga hat. He's
fined for his centrist to right leaning Maga views. The
(31:46):
rules feel like they're different for other people. And then
in the end a bunch of people join in in
this goofy dance because they don't find Trump to be
the threat that the people in charge have been telling them.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
He is, yeah, Righty Trump should have just ran on
He's not actually Hitler.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Was that the that was sort of the campaign, that
was right, he did really run on that. Trump of
course put on truth social in all caps. Nick Bosa
is a great player.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Amazing that.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That's where were end for today.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I love it well.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
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