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to the Buck Brief. We have the early days of
the Trump administration in waiting in.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
The making to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Here are the picks, the top level positions that are
already being filled. I think this Trump administration two point
zero learned a lot of lessons from the first time
around and is prepared to hit the ground running. I
know every administration says that, but let me tell you
why I feel this way. Let me tell you what
I am seeing that strikes me as different in this respect.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
The people that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
They are picking and not picking is telling you a lot.
Let me start with actually the second part, not picking
Pompeo not in the administration.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Look, Mike was always nice to me when he was
in Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
One.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think he did an okay job as no problems
that I'm aware of, Secretary of State or CIA director.
He was loyal to Trump then, but he ran against
Trump and he's an establishment guy. So Trump says he's out.
Nicki Haley. Trump gave her a job, and then she
ran against Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know, she worked at the Trump administration. That's that's
not just oh, I'm a Republican. I want to see
if the people want it to be me. That's something else.
That's a little more of an issue. I think when
it comes to loyalty. And so Trump said, sorry, Nikki Haley,
you were great. He was very gracious about it, but
probably so gracious he was saying, Nikki Haley, she's amazing.
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But he decided that he wasn't going to allow her
in the administration bring her in the administration either. So
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
The latest is Lee Zelden. That's the newest that I
have seen.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Added the list of those picked by Trump, and I
think this is really good. Lee Zelden is a very
sharp guy, and he did a great job running for
governor New York. I know he didn't win, but you know,
it's like running a Republican in California. Practically, it's very
hard these days to overcome the built in advantage that
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a Democrat has in a state like New York. So
I think Lee deserved a lot of credit. And he
probably because of how well he ran that campaign in
New York, helped bring a few congressional seats, particularly in
Long Island in New York across the line, and that
may well have been a difference maker for the Republican majority.
So Lee Zelden's going to be the EPA administrator. Let's
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talk about this for a second, right, The EPA administrator
is somebody who I think, first of all, I love it.
They were the bad guys in Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Remember that. I'm Walter Peck and he just like.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
People believe they're seeing ghosts, remember that whole thing, you know,
And he's like, I'm worried about violations of Section C seventeen,
Part three, sub section five. And you know, if you
think about a Ghostbusters really a movie about plucky entrepreneurs
building a small business. It's the American dream. And then
the EPA comes in and they're all, oh, but the
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ghosts are going to create a nuclear disaster or whatever.
So point is, EPA has been an agency that has
done a lot of harassing of the public and has
gotten far too ideological for a long time. It is
a perfect example of the kind of federal agency where
there should be major changes made, structural changes. First of all,
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I think it could probably be pared down dramatically. I
don't even know how many personnel the EPA has, only
the people I think who work there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Know.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
No one pays attention to these kinds of things anymore,
So I think it would be really helpful for the
EPA to be a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Smaller, much more nimble, also more cost effective. But where
you have to draw the line there, what you have
to get really particularly deep on is the ideological rot
of climate catastrophism that has spread through the EPA, that
has become a big thing there.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know, they want to they want.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
To be in the business the EPA of basically telling
you what your emissions can be anywhere in the country.
So it's not up to states, it's up the EPA.
And this has tremendous impact on all these different businesses,
and it's insane. CO two is not a problem. We're fine,
it doesn't matter. It's not going to be the problem
that the catastrophists think it is. So he's got to
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go in to an ideological strongholder, the left, the EPA,
and lay it down. You know what I mean, lay
down the law. He's got to just say, you guys,
get on board, or you're out of here. You're gone now.
I think we can expect that if we do see
a pairing back of civil service positions in some of
these places, or an attempt to fire some civil servants
in these places. Give mean a lot of lawsuits, a
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lot of problems, a lot of challenges. They're not going
to make this easy, but this is the urgent mission
of the country right now to deal with the overwhelming
size and scope of government. I'll just tell you Naval
Rabakan one of my favorite follows on X he put
this out. What you're feeling isn't a temporary high. It's
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the relief from the crushing burden of the state, which
was getting heavier by the day. I completely agree. I mean,
that's his assessment of what's going on right now in
the aftermath of the massive Trump victory. Talk here in
a second about the fight over Senate leadership. It's looking
pretty good for Senator Scott. We'll see the vote's going
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to happen in this Senate leadership battle.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
This is very important.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Stuff because it is really difficult for the administration to
pull off the kind of enormous changes that will be
needed to governance if they don't have the right people
in place. I mean, I think that Trump has eighteen
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months to save Western civilization. That's really the way that
this mission is set up. Trump has eighteen months to
tackle the deep state, turn around the massive regulatory b
a myth that just grows with each and every year,
and secure the border to port a large portion of
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the illegals currently and the country and who have recently
come to the country, all the criminal illegals who are
here who have committed crimes. Eighteen months to save the country,
because then it turns into the midterm elections. Then it
turns into who's going to take over? You know, we're
going to have another presidential election starting in just over
two years. Really, that's when people are going to start
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to be positioning themselves for what's next. This is not
an eight year arc that Trump is on now. It's
really yes, it's four years in office, but it is
eighteen months where things can really get done and be
changed because when people are going to the midterms, a
lot of Republicans are going to be thinking not about
what's best for the country, but what's best for their
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prospects politically of trying to win again. So that brings
me to the Senate leadership situation here. Here's where this is.
As I talk to you, it's looking like there's a
rallying effect around Senator Tim sorry, Senator Scott Rick Scott
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out of Florida.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And it's a good thing. He is the best guy
for the job.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think that he's the one that would be the
most in life with the Trump agenda. And I understand
that there are some constitutional purists out there might be saying, oh,
but advising consent from the Senate's so important, we can't
have recess appointments be a tool to get around that. Well,
you know, advising consent with adults on the Democrat side
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is one thing, but if they're going to claim they
need extra potty breaks and that you know that they
got a headache and they can't do the hearing today,
and they're just gonna and they're gonna give the longest,
most boring speeches imaginable to run the clock out so
that Senate business can't get done. If they're going to
effectively jam up the works, you know, sabotage the machinery,
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just to be spiteful, which is what their plan had
been and was that's what they did in twenty sixteen.
I don't see why Republicans have to play along with that.
I don't know why Republicans need to play that game
with them. So I am very sympathetic to the plan
that some Republicans up at Ford, and Trump is before
himself of look, I got to get my people through.
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If there's any of this in transigence from Democrats or
any games, we just got to have, you know, have
a Senate recess called by the Senate Majority leader and
have a bunch of recess appointments made, because the most
important time you don't want to get your guy in
there for Commerce or Treasury or you know whatever. You
don't want that to happen. You know, veterans affairs in June.
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Trump wants it right away. He wants the people in
place to do what the American people voted for him
to do. And so this is why you want Senator
Rick Scott. And this is why recess appointments under the
circumstances I think are Look, recess appointments have always been
held to be valid. In fact, Barack Obama was slapped
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down nine to oh by the Supreme Court for doing
recess appointments when the Senate wasn't in recess. But he said,
yes they are, so he made the appointments anyway. And
what that meant was no, no, the Senate is allowed
to determine this. And they were holding these pro forma
sessions where they kind of gabble in for twenty minutes,
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and you know, it's it's it's just the whole thing
is it's kind of officious.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
The whole thing is kind of a scam.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I mean, I guess it's it's not illegal, it's not
defrauding anybody, but it's just not really what's how it's
meant to be. So it's playing a little fast and
loose with the intent, certainly of the advising Consent clause.
The Constitution, Article two, Section two, Clause three. The President
shall have the power to fill up all vacancies that
may happen during the recess of the Senate by granting
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commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So again you can put people in there.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And if the Senate wants to do oh well, now
now you have to go through.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know, a vote process.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
All right, fine, but he wants them in their right
a way, and I think that makes a lot of sense.
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Let's say that the Senate confirms the Trump nominees or
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these different roles, which they're really supposed to do. The
President's supposed to get the people he wants in the jobs.
Unless there's some criminal issue or something crazy. It's not
supposed to be I don't like you. I'm not voting
for you, even though the president's appointing you, because the
President's going to point somebody else you don't like. So
what's the You know, the president has that power. The
President's supposed to get his picks. So why squabble, why quibble?
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Why do all that? Well, because Democrats are just so
bitter about what has gone on here, But the area
where I think there's the most need for a really
squared away team that is ready to go, a really
squared away team that knows what the agenda is and
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that they will go all in to accomplish shit. To me,
that's going to be on immigration because the first major
challenge that we are going to see, the first major
challenge that we are going to face is on immigration
and the deportations. So deportations is that that's going to
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require logistics, that's going to require political will. There are
going to be challenges to this, but it has to happen.
It has to happen because we need the rule of
law in this country. We are going to cease to
have a country. And this has been clear for a
long time to anyone who's honest and paying attention and
knows what's going on at the border. Tom Holman as
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the ICE Director, I think this is excellent. He's the
guy that if Trump said to me, Buck, who do
you think I should have in that role? I would
have said Tom Homan. So very strong choice there. I
also love having Stephen Miller as Deputy White House Chief
of Staff. Somebody who's excellent on the immigration issue, knows
it backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
On all the games and.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The tricks at the left place to try to pretend
like they also want to secure the border, but they
do not. So Tom Homan is going to oversee what
will be a massive enterprise if they really try to
do this, which is a substantial effort to deport illegals.
They're going to start with anyone who has committed a
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crime who is in custody anywhere in the country. I
think that would be first. That's top of the list.
So if you're an MS thirteen gang member who's here
illegally and you know you are serving a sentence for
attempted murder and let's say you got I don't know,
ten years or something. As soon as you're done with
that sentence, you're going back to wherever you came from.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They're going to deport you. That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The illegal aliens who have committed crimes in addition to
their illegality, that needs to be a non existent and
people that have serious crime records who are illegals, rapists, murderers,
and there are thousands and thousands of them who have
come into the country claiming they want asylum. They're going
to qualify for asylum.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's absurd.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They have to go right away. So you know, we
can create tears here. You can create a situation where
you're going to do what law enforcement always does, which
is prioritizing some enforcement and taking tackling that first. So
you start with that, and then I think you go
to single adult males who have come here in the
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last four years, perhaps the last six years, depends on
how you want to do the numbers. And if you've
just been here for a few years, sorry, you got
to go, you know, last in first out right, I mean,
that's the way it's got to be. Sorry, you got
to go, Tom Mommand even said family units that have
come here illegally in the last few years, the whole
if there will not be child separation, the whole family
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will be deported together. Because people who have just arrived
here and who are illegals, they have the ties into
the country, and they should be want they should be
higher on the deportation priority list than people who have
been here for twenty years illegally. Now, if we get
to this point, if you get rid of all the
criminals and the millions, and think about this, if it's
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just criminals and just millions of people who have come here,
illegally in the last few years. That's going to be
a massive logistical undertaking.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm not saying it's impossible. It's gonna be massive, though.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean, if you were to deport two or three
million people, it would entirely I'm talking about in a year,
so entirely change the game. Is it Is it feasible?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I think it is.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It be a lot of flights, a lot of bus rides,
a lot of stuff going on. But if you could
get to let's say two million people deported in the
first year, that would be a pretty good start. I mean,
I should look at what the numbers are. I think
it's usually in previous administrations before Biden just kicked the
whole thing open. Get a couple hundred thousand to portations
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a year, one hundred thousand, maybe two hundred thousand, and
I've seen that before. So if you get to two million,
that would be really substantial, and it would also change
the inflow. That's what's so important and powerful about massively
increasing the deportation number. It's not about making it perfect.
It's not about there'll be no illegals in the country
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or coming into the country. It's that it changes the
incentive structure, so people realize that they can't just game
the system anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Okay, that's really critical in all of this.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And I think that if they take this and they
go and they are serious about it, oh way change
a lot of the pressures in the housing market. It's
gonna help in a lot of different employment markets. People
are gonna have to pay people the wages that our
free market wages are supposed to be paid, paying people
under the table, not letting the taxpayer fill in the
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gap of all the social services that new illegals who
speak no English and have no skills and have no
resources who come here are going to require. That's a
big change. So this is all they're lining up to
do this, And this is the first promise that Trump
has really made about what he's going to do, and
I think it'll be remarkable if he gets it done.
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Speaker 4 (20:37):
Donald Trump won the electoral vote. He won, He's going
to win the House. He won the Senate. For all
effects and purposes, He's got the Supreme Court. They've given
him immunity. This is what the country voted for. This
is you know, a lot of people thought that when
he talked about mass deportations he wasn't being serious.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Times he had to say it for people to realize
he was being serious. Well, if you thought he wasn't
being serious, the appointment of Tom Holman today as borders
are and he will be in charge of a mass
deportation program, the largest the country has ever seen, they say.
And now Steven Miller as Deputy Chief of Staff should
let you know that he was absolutely serious.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
And when you talk about mass.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Deportations, people think, oh, it's just going to be the criminals.
There's not enough criminals aliens in the federal prison system
for it to be mass deportations. What it means is grandmothers.
What it means is brothers and aunts. What it means
is azuelos auelas it means dreamers.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
It means your family members, it means.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Your colleagues, it means your friends, it means people who
are part of the society.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And look, America, you know, those of you who.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Voted for Trump, this is what you wanted, This is
what you voted for.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
You screwed around, and you're about to find out.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
They are completely freaking out about the deportations over at
the View, which is not a surprise, saying stuff like,
oh my gosh, you said he's going to deport people,
and now he's actually going to deport them. Yes, of
course he is. That's the whole point. He made promises
to voters, and now hopefully he is going to keep
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those promises. Promises made, promises kept. And I think that
this is a place where it should be very straightforward.
Is he doing it or not? I think Trump is
fully aware of the imperative to have these deportations to
change that incentive structure will come to the country illegally,
and the lives all freaking out about this stuff. They're
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going to freak out anyway, you know, maybe one of
the great lessons of the first Trump administration, but also
everything that's gone on with their efforts to stop him
with the law, fair and everything else. Maybe one of
the lessons they should take from this is, or we
should take from this rather, is that they're going to
freak out. No matter what they're going to say, Trump
is hitler, that he's a monster, that he's all these
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terrible things. They'll never get on board. It doesn't matter
what results you They are so entrenched in Trump's arrangement syndrome.
They hate this guy so much. So let's like shake
it up, Let's make some waves. Let's do the things
that need to be done for this country, to save
this country. Because if you save America, you save Western civilization,
you save.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The free world. That's the truth. If we fall, all
of it falls.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
What a You're gonna rely on Europe, on the UK's
people have no free speech rights, people getting locked up
for internet memes. It's insane Without America, without our holding
up of liberty as an essential human practice and rule
of laws as the foundation for a good and free
and decent society, although Democrats have tried to destroy that
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with all their lawfare, the whole thing begins to fall apart.
So this Trump project, like I said, it's eighteen months
to save America to save Western civilization, and I think
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