November 13, 2024 • 29 mins
In this episode, Tudor speaks with Brian Pannebecker, the founder of Auto Workers for Trump, about the impact of Trump's rallies on UAW workers in Michigan, the future of the Republican Party, and the challenges posed by government regulation and EV mandates. They discuss the importance of community engagement, the economic landscape for auto workers, and the need for a new approach to governance that prioritizes business growth and consumer choice. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am excited today
because we have the founder of Auto Workers for Trump
with us. He is a retired UAW member, and obviously
we want to talk about what happened. I'm in Michigan.
As you know, Michigan was declared for Donald Trump, and
so we want to talk to Brian. Brian pana Becker
(00:21):
here with us today. Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Absolutely so. For people who don't know you, they probably
actually do know you, because oftentimes Donald Trump would pull
you up on stage during a rally and say, hey, Brian,
come and talk to us about what's going on. And
it seemed like you had an inside track on what
was actually happening with the UAW workers, even though we
were hearing from Sean Fain, who is the leader of
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the union, saying, oh Trump is a scab, nobody's going
to vote for him. What's your opinion of what really happened?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, I do have an inside track because I actually
talked to the people out on the shop floor, Tutor.
Ever since more day this summer, we've been holding a
Trump rally outside the UAW parking lot where all the
hourly people park, and we timed it so we would
be there at shift change when the biggest shift group
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of people would be coming out, which is a day shift.
They get off typically around one one thirty two o'clock
two thirty, so we would set up about noon and
stay there till three or three thirty, so we'd also
catch some of the afternoon shift people coming in.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And our main.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Purpose for being there was twofold to educate and to
motivate the hourly workers at the auto plants, whether it
was Ford, Chrysler or General Motors, to vote for Donald Trump.
And then the folks that weren't so sure that that
was in their best interests they were listening maybe to
Sean Fain's empty endorsement, we would try to educate them.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And we had some good bullet point half page.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Little bulletins with some of the main Trump forty seven
agenda items as they pertained to manufacturing and the auto
industry in particular, so we could educate them, and I
think we did do that, and we were able to
bring quite a few UAW represented auto workers over into
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the Trump camp. So we did about twenty two rallies
over the course of the summer. We educated folks that
needed more information to feel comfortable voting Republican in spite
of the UAW leaders endorsement of Democrat. And we also
motivated the folks that were there to make sure they
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got out and vote, got their families and neighbors out
to vote. And I think we really did have an impact.
As you probably know, Tutor Trump only won Michigan by
about seventy thousand votes somewhere in that neighborhood, and that,
you know, we feel we in packeded tens of thousands
of people. Because we're also getting traffic that was driving
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by these plants as we were out there for three hours,
So we had all of our signs set up, we
had our shirts and hats on. The teamsters that were
driving by in trucks were blaring their air horns and
it became a real motivational type thing. And I think
we impacted the drive by traffic because you as these
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teamsters were driving by Tutor and they got on their
air horns and people could see them pumping their fists
in the air. They'd stick their arm out their windows
and give us the thumbs up. Other cars that were
in the traffic saw this going on, and then it
shift changed. We were getting auto workers blowing their horns
giving us thumbs up out their windows.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And this was the majority of the people coming out
of the parking lots.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So the traffic driving by saw this happening. So we
got some carryover benefit of the neighbor and you know,
the community seeing the support of the auto workers for Trump.
And I think we affected tens of thousands of votes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I honestly do.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So let me ask you this, how do you carry
this on? And I know everybody's going to say, oh,
we're just a few days out from the election, but
of course we're looking at twenty six. We're looking at
twenty eight, especially in the state of Michigan because it
went so blue the last time. Now everybody's like, oh,
it went red. Well, as you pointed out, it was
seventy thousand votes. We lost the Senate seat, so that
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was there's you know, in the state, that's a big
deal that we won the presidency, but for some reason,
that Senate candidate just didn't resonate with people. We did
win the House back, so it's kind of a split
ticket here in Michigan. Question people were saying, how do
you keep that momentum going.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Great question, and I've already thought of it. When I
woke up this morning and yesterday, one of the first
thoughts that came into my head was Donald Trump is
already working. They're already on their transition. They've already got
agenda items lined up. So as a surrogate, and I
know you you're a surrogate for Donald Trump as well,
(05:09):
that's why this question pops into your head and it
popped into mine also. So what First of all, I'll
address Mike Rodgers not holding on as those late Wayne
County Detroit votes were counting. I think Mike was too
late to fully endorse Donald Trump. I mean he got
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on board, I don't know, eight ten months ago, whatever
it was, but there was a little hesitancy there and
I think.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The true did he ever fully because I would I
would have to argue that I didn't see him ever
really pushing that. I think he kind of ran parallel
and that I think should be a lesson to all
Republicans making forward.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So you just cut to my final Mike, That's the
point I was going to try and make. So Mike
was late coming to, you know, associate himself with Donald Trump.
So I think that's a lesson be learned for any
candidates in the twenty twenty sixth election and beyond twenty
twenty eight. So what I Donald Trump has spent the
last eight years, maybe a little more remaking the Republican Party.
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This is no longer the old Republican Party that had
a lot of rhinos in it, maybe fifty percent. This
is the mega Republican Party. So I would encourage all
future candidates, and I hope I can include you in
that list, Tutor, to associate yourself fully, endorse Trump's policies,
marry yourself right to them, get on board, be part
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of that team.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I know you already are.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But there are some candidates out there who, up until
two days ago might have still been a little hesitant
to get on board with Donald Trump one hundred percent,
and I think what happened to Mike Rodgers is a
lesson for them. Get on board with Trump. This is
a new Republican Party. Get fully behind Donald Trump. Get
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on board, and just as you go forward in your
own campaigns, stay married to Donald Trump. Help him enact
his agenda. And that'll be the biggest thing you can
do to help your candidacy in the future.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, we need partners in when you're in no matter
what state you're in, you need a partner in Washington.
And it's interesting because I do think that there is
a growing group of people that say, we can just
lose a few cycles and then he's gone and we'll
be going back to the old Republican Party. But those
voters are different. How can you possibly say that the
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voters have changed and the voters want change. They don't
want this group controlled by the bureaucracy, which I think
is what we've had for decades now. And that is
the difference in Donald Trump. He changes things, he makes
people go, Okay, I don't know what he's going to do.
He's his own person is he's the people. He's a
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person for the people. That's the difference. And I've seen
so you know, since I got into politics, I've seen
so many of these politicians are like, you know what,
I have to please and placate the donor class, and
they're going to tell me what to do, and I
have to do that. That was what you didn't see
with Donald Trump, and I saw this in a few
can't other candidates other than Mike rogers here in Michigan.
(08:13):
I'm sure in other states. For all of you in
other states, pay attention. This probably happened to the people
that lost in your states too, because we had a
few state house candidates and a congressional candidate who just
before the election, they were asked, well, what about Donald Trump?
They literally said in the news it was quoted, you
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know what, I'm running my own race. We'll see how
he does. And then that day we said they'll lose.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, that you're exactly right, tutor, And as a small
business owner, your family owning their own business for years,
you totally understand that now we're moving into a phase
where we have to govern and government regulation is as
big of a piece of the puzzle as taxes, business taxes.
So not only does Donald Trump and his team his
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administration now need to work on keeping business taxes low.
I think the small business tax now is twenty one percent.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I think I think corporate tax he's talking about dropping
that to fifteen percent, but I think I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And that's an interesting point because it's fifteen percent if
you are American based, and so there's a motivator to
keep your business in America and totally America first, and
to me, that is critical. I think also something that
you're pointing out here is these policies, you have to
be careful to make sure that you are enacting these
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policies in your state too. So if you're in local government,
if you're in state government, look at what is happening
with government over regulation. Of course we know here in
the state of Michigan it is completely out of control.
It is crushing businesses and now they have even the
Democrats have even come out with a new law that
says they will force the companies to give PTO paid
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time off, that the government will regulate. Can you imagine
the government going into private corporations and regulating. And I
just want to point out that what you're saying is
so key because we cannot allow these seats to go
to Democrats. Because as these seats go to Democrats, these
radical big regulation, big government democrats, they elevate these people.
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That's how Kamala Harris failed up. You know, she came
close because they failed her up. That's what's happening every
time you lose these states. So when I hear somebody
who is a donor. Democrats get money from all over.
I mean, they win Michigan from New York and California.
When I hear donors say we don't want to put
money into Michigan, I'm like, do you want a Grutchen Whitmore,
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a Jocelyn Benson, or a Dana Nessel in DC.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So, luckily we were able to retake one of the
chambers here in Michigan and Lansing. I haven't seen the
final results. I don't even know if everything's totally settled,
but I know we're going to regain one of the
chambers in our legislature here in Lansing, so we'll be
able to put the brakes on the Gretchen Whitmer, Jocelyn Benson,
Dana Nessel destruction of our business climate. So until twenty
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twenty six, we can at least put a stop to
a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
They were on a real role.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
They had done a lot of damage in the first
two years in office. So until twenty twenty six, we're
gonna be able to at least put the brakes on
good and hard. So, getting back to my original point,
government regulation is just a big piece of the puzzle.
Lower taxes is the other half. And as you see
from Donald Trump's pledge to continue with that effort to
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reduce business taxes, we have to get away from that
narrative that businesses are the enemy and it's somehow wrong
for businesses to make big profits. That's a good thing
because businesses making profits creates jobs and growth, and that's
what we need.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
In higher incomes, a.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Growing economy with growing incomes, a higher number of good
paid jobs. So yeah, lower the business tax even further.
The government that governs best governs least, and the lower
we can get corporate taxes and still fund the essential
components of our government, whether it's state or federal, the better.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
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So let me ask you about the auto companies here,
because we have I think it was just earlier today
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one of the newspapers, probably the Detroit News, put out
this story of like, what does this mean? Will the
EV mandates be completely slashed under a Trump administration? What
is the future for Michigan and I would say that
the future for Michigan without EV mandates, it's much brighter
because as the EV mandates have gone in, these auto
workers and these auto companies have decided to build new factories,
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but they're not in Michigan. So what is your take
on that on the EV mandates?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, thanks, thanks for asking me that. And you know, Tutor,
a lot of folks who are not Detroit area or
Michigan based people may not fully understand that the government's tentacles.
The federal government has become so oppressive that they were
able to put these mandates on this industry, the domestic
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auto industry, without passing a law that comes out and says,
you know, they proposed the Green New Deal, but through
their the EPA and their environmental regulation and real, real
strict standards, they forced the domestic automakers to build a
certain percentage of their fleet as electric fully electric vehicles
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in order to meet the emission standards and the mileage standards.
So it was sort of a surreptitious backdoor effort. So
a lot of what Donald Trump and his administration are
going to need to do will be with appointments to
these federal departments that regulate industries, and it's all going
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to be part of Donald Trump's smaller government, less government
regulation that's going to allow businesses, small businesses, and corporations
like the auto industry to grow and expand, and we
will get back to a more consumer based, supply and
demand type of an economy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
We cannot allow the.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Federal government to stick their nose in and force the
private businesses and industry to build certain type of products,
like in the auto industry, where the consumers had already
expressed their interests that they did not want to drive
fully electric automobiles. So how in the world can the
federal government force an industry to build products that the
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consumers have already said we don't want those. It's suicide
and that would China is going to jump all over
that opportunity if that were to happen. Thank god, it's
not going to happen now under Donald Trump. It would
have decimated our domestic auto industry.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So here, this is where what you're saying is so
key because and this is where a president is so important,
and this election was so important because you make a
great point. The unelected bureaucrats put in a rule it's
essentially creating law without the lawmakers. None of these people
have been elected. They don't represent the country. It is
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an agency within the government who came in. And this
is how the Biden administration has used this and Harris
would have as well, is to use the agencies to
create law and to manage people and to put on
more regulation. And so they did this through the EPA
and then ultimately it completely changed the capitalists to side
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the free market. No longer do we have a free
market because of unelected bureaucrats that went in and said, hey,
free market, you have to adhere to this rule. This
is a massive change because this is how every single
one of us drives. And it's not just that it's
a massive expense and there is no infrastructure for it.
I mean, that's just that's the lie of the whole thing.
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There's no infrastructure. I love how the woman who won
the Senate seat in Michigan her ad was, I can't
personally have an EV because I live on a dirt road.
I'm like, what the heck are you saying? Do you
have no I mean, are you living by candlelight? What
the heck? Give me a break? You if we have
to you have to too. But I want to address
this because Pete booda judge, has indicated that there's a
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chance he'll run for governor in the state of Michigan
because obviously he's not going to be in the administration now.
He's done a terrible job with transportation. He was a
terrible mayor, but he wants to run for governor of
the state of Michigan. Now. He was on Fox I
think Monday, and he was asked about these mandates and
he boldfaced liede, oh, nobody, there is no mandate. We're
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not telling people what car they have to drive. And
no matter how he tried to trap him in the truth,
he is a slipper guy. And he was like, no,
nobody's telling you a same thing, slack and did. But
a mandate is exactly that they are mandating that by
a certain date, we all have to have a certain car,
which is probably twenty to thirty thousand dollars more than
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the cars we buy now. And then you have to
add on the five to ten thousand dollars change you
have to make to your garage to be able to
charge the thing. And if you can't do it, if
you can't make that change. Your car's not going to
charge overnight to get you very far. I mean, it's
all just ridiculous. But what is the future when now
all these people disperse from Washington, they're going to come
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back into our states and they're going to try to
implement these policies.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, we need somebody like Tutor Dixon to run against
people footage in twenty twenty six because you understand all that,
and you know how to cut Pete buotha judge off
on all those arguments. But yeah, it's a classic example
tutor of the elites in Washington, d c. Or Lansing, Michigan,
for that matter, trying to tell the average people, the
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working people who pay the taxes, get up every day
at five am, put work boots on, and get in
there and do the work, how we should live our lives.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We're tired, you.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Know, Donald Trump being elected in an overwhelming mandate election,
it shows that we are fed up. We're tired of
being told how to live our lives, what products to
buy them, keeping us from opening our businesses, being entrepreneurial,
making money and making a profit. They've turned profit and
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successful business into a bad word.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
In Washington and Lansing, Well, it's not a bad word.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Entrepreneurs small businessmen are the risk takers, and they're the
people who should be proud of America and the freedoms
and liberties we have in this country, and we're taking
it back.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And those small businesses are who support the auto industry.
So in the state of Michigan, much of our small business,
many of our small business owners are creating products that
go into the auto industry. And so when we see
what happened just before the election where Ford came out
and said, you know what we're going to temporarily, and
you know they're saying temporarily, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Not a storage room.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
They've ran out of storage lots around Detroit to park
them on.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
They can't get the you.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Live here, It's amazing to see what you're talking about.
I think people don't know what you're talking about. There's
these lots that are just thousand vehicles, thousands of thousands.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
They can't sell them.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
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Panibecker after this, how do you force a company to
make a product noboddy wants and this is the problem.
(22:12):
But we pay for this the taxpayers. That's the really
disgusting part about it. I think the part people really
don't understand is that every year, hundreds of millions of
dollars of taxpayer money go into these big corporations, and
we're paying for this transition to electric vehicles. It's not working.
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So then the autoworkers get laid off the middle of
November through January, and that's like what we think. We
think they'll be back in January. What a crappy time
of year to lose your job.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Absolutely, and Tutor.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Isn't it ironic that the Democrats like to demonize big cooperations,
especially when they're making a lot of money. You know,
they don't mention the fact that when they're making a
lot of money, a lot of people are working overtime
and poign money back into our local economies. They don't
want to talk about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But it's very.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Ironic that these companies are the boogeyman for them a
lot of the times. But when they want to offer
a five hundred million dollar tax credit to get them
to build a specific product, in this case fully ev
man vehicles. Then all of a sudden, it's okay to
give money to these big cooperations like they always criticize
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Republicans for doing when they give a tax break to
an industry, So they're just hypocrites. It's another example of
democratic hypocrisy.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We see it all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Hey, look the state of Michigan. We were all supposed
to get an income tax reduction and that didn't happen.
But I see billionaires every day getting money out of Lansing.
And check your own states too, because watch the people
who are actually taking your money and giving it to
people who have more money. I mean, these are people
that are on the Forbes list as the richest people
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in the world, and we're giving them our money. And
then who's overseeing how that money is spent? And I
know this sounds radical, but it is. This is your money.
You should have it back. The fact that Americans are
giving their money away for these projects that are test projects.
I mean, this is like out in out in space.
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What do we think we could possibly do. We don't
have any chargers, there's no infrastructure for this. Let's see
if it works. It's blowney, and yet it continues to
happen every single day. So I just want to get
your opinion because when we look at this, this is
this plant was in Dearborn. We had a massive Arab
American vote come out. And to me, this is very
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interesting because these fellas came to my rally when I
was running for governor and we had about four or
five men from the Dearborn area come to my rally
and they were like, man, this was the first time
we were really introduced to the fact that these are
conservative values. Are conservative conservative values. That means something to
us too. I think it goes beyond the conservative values
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because Dearborn's where this plant is being shut down. A
lot of these people are small business owners. They have restaurants,
they have markets, they have gas stations, they are they
come in and they invest in their community in a
big way. But the only way they are successful is
that the big factories continue running around them. So they
see what's happening in Michigan and they're like, who is
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giving these who is who is like who is at
the EPA that's saying we're going to control the free market,
Because that's a disaster. Do you think that moved Arab
Americans one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Not only are the Arab Americans a great cultural fit
in the Republican Party, economically it makes a lot of
sense because, like you just alluded to, many many of
the Arab American community, members of the community here in
the Dearborn area, our business owners. So they know better
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than anyone how government regulation, high taxes, and an anti
business mood and lansing affects them. It affects them directly,
and then it affects their surrounding communities. So it was
beautiful to see Trump increase his percentage of the Jewish
vote while at the same time bringing these Muslim and
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Arab American voters like from ham Trammick Dearborn, Dearborn Heights,
getting the endorsement of these mayors and hearing their endorsements,
how their communities are waking up to the fact that
Republicans and the Republican the New Republican Party, the Maga
Republican Party fit so well with their family values, their
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work ethic, their community sense of community, and so it's
it's amazing for me to see them coming in into
the fold for Republicans. At the same time, Trump was
increasing his vote among Jewish Americans.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's kind of ironic, but it's a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And I think a lot of that also goes back
to the peace and prosperity message of Donald Trump. Arab
Americans want peace as well as prosperity, and so did
Jewish voting Americans. So that's something that can appeal to
a broad cross section of our community, even into the
Arab and Jewish communities here in Michigan around the Dearborn.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Area, right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And I think that people who are waking up today
and say still saying how did this happen? They have
to understand that peace sells. Peace is big. Everybody wants peace,
everybody wants more money in their pocket. Those were policies
that Donald Trump was not mincing words on very clear
this is what I will bring, and he had evidence
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to back it up because of the Abraham Accords. This
idea of running a campaign on joy is meaningless. That's meaningless.
Joy doesn't pay your bills, Joy doesn't keep your relatives
safe overseas. Joy is not a real it's not a
real thing. It's a feeling. We have got to be
able to bring back peace and prosperity, peace in the world,
prosperity in the country, and that is what Donald Trump promised,
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and we appreciate every single day you were out there
with him. Every single day you had those rallies that
was so meaningful, and that's what we have to continue.
So I know you will. I know that even after
this administration, when there's a new person running for president,
you know you're going to continue those rallies when it
is the magabase and getting them out and bringing more
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people on. Brian Pannabecker, thank you so much for being
on todayor.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I look forward to working alongside you for the next
two years four years. We've got a bright future ahead
of us. Donald Trump is going to do great things
and I'm really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yes, yes, he will, and so will you. Thank you
so much, and thank you all for joining us on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others. Go
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a blessed day
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am excited today
because we have the founder of Auto Workers for Trump
with us. He is a retired UAW member, and obviously
we want to talk about what happened. I'm in Michigan.
As you know, Michigan was declared for Donald Trump, and
so we want to talk to Brian. Brian pana Becker
(00:21):
here with us today. Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Absolutely so. For people who don't know you, they probably
actually do know you, because oftentimes Donald Trump would pull
you up on stage during a rally and say, hey, Brian,
come and talk to us about what's going on. And
it seemed like you had an inside track on what
was actually happening with the UAW workers, even though we
were hearing from Sean Fain, who is the leader of
(00:46):
the union, saying, oh Trump is a scab, nobody's going
to vote for him. What's your opinion of what really happened?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, I do have an inside track because I actually
talked to the people out on the shop floor, Tutor.
Ever since more day this summer, we've been holding a
Trump rally outside the UAW parking lot where all the
hourly people park, and we timed it so we would
be there at shift change when the biggest shift group
(01:15):
of people would be coming out, which is a day shift.
They get off typically around one one thirty two o'clock
two thirty, so we would set up about noon and
stay there till three or three thirty, so we'd also
catch some of the afternoon shift people coming in.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And our main.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Purpose for being there was twofold to educate and to
motivate the hourly workers at the auto plants, whether it
was Ford, Chrysler or General Motors, to vote for Donald Trump.
And then the folks that weren't so sure that that
was in their best interests they were listening maybe to
Sean Fain's empty endorsement, we would try to educate them.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And we had some good bullet point half page.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Little bulletins with some of the main Trump forty seven
agenda items as they pertained to manufacturing and the auto
industry in particular, so we could educate them, and I
think we did do that, and we were able to
bring quite a few UAW represented auto workers over into
(02:22):
the Trump camp. So we did about twenty two rallies
over the course of the summer. We educated folks that
needed more information to feel comfortable voting Republican in spite
of the UAW leaders endorsement of Democrat. And we also
motivated the folks that were there to make sure they
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got out and vote, got their families and neighbors out
to vote. And I think we really did have an impact.
As you probably know, Tutor Trump only won Michigan by
about seventy thousand votes somewhere in that neighborhood, and that,
you know, we feel we in packeded tens of thousands
of people. Because we're also getting traffic that was driving
(03:06):
by these plants as we were out there for three hours,
So we had all of our signs set up, we
had our shirts and hats on. The teamsters that were
driving by in trucks were blaring their air horns and
it became a real motivational type thing. And I think
we impacted the drive by traffic because you as these
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teamsters were driving by Tutor and they got on their
air horns and people could see them pumping their fists
in the air. They'd stick their arm out their windows
and give us the thumbs up. Other cars that were
in the traffic saw this going on, and then it
shift changed. We were getting auto workers blowing their horns
giving us thumbs up out their windows.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And this was the majority of the people coming out
of the parking lots.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So the traffic driving by saw this happening. So we
got some carryover benefit of the neighbor and you know,
the community seeing the support of the auto workers for Trump.
And I think we affected tens of thousands of votes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I honestly do.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
So let me ask you this, how do you carry
this on? And I know everybody's going to say, oh,
we're just a few days out from the election, but
of course we're looking at twenty six. We're looking at
twenty eight, especially in the state of Michigan because it
went so blue the last time. Now everybody's like, oh,
it went red. Well, as you pointed out, it was
seventy thousand votes. We lost the Senate seat, so that
(04:30):
was there's you know, in the state, that's a big
deal that we won the presidency, but for some reason,
that Senate candidate just didn't resonate with people. We did
win the House back, so it's kind of a split
ticket here in Michigan. Question people were saying, how do
you keep that momentum going.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Great question, and I've already thought of it. When I
woke up this morning and yesterday, one of the first
thoughts that came into my head was Donald Trump is
already working. They're already on their transition. They've already got
agenda items lined up. So as a surrogate, and I
know you you're a surrogate for Donald Trump as well,
(05:09):
that's why this question pops into your head and it
popped into mine also. So what First of all, I'll
address Mike Rodgers not holding on as those late Wayne
County Detroit votes were counting. I think Mike was too
late to fully endorse Donald Trump. I mean he got
(05:29):
on board, I don't know, eight ten months ago, whatever
it was, but there was a little hesitancy there and
I think.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
The true did he ever fully because I would I
would have to argue that I didn't see him ever
really pushing that. I think he kind of ran parallel
and that I think should be a lesson to all
Republicans making forward.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So you just cut to my final Mike, That's the
point I was going to try and make. So Mike
was late coming to, you know, associate himself with Donald Trump.
So I think that's a lesson be learned for any
candidates in the twenty twenty sixth election and beyond twenty
twenty eight. So what I Donald Trump has spent the
last eight years, maybe a little more remaking the Republican Party.
(06:13):
This is no longer the old Republican Party that had
a lot of rhinos in it, maybe fifty percent. This
is the mega Republican Party. So I would encourage all
future candidates, and I hope I can include you in
that list, Tutor, to associate yourself fully, endorse Trump's policies,
marry yourself right to them, get on board, be part
(06:35):
of that team.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I know you already are.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But there are some candidates out there who, up until
two days ago might have still been a little hesitant
to get on board with Donald Trump one hundred percent,
and I think what happened to Mike Rodgers is a
lesson for them. Get on board with Trump. This is
a new Republican Party. Get fully behind Donald Trump. Get
(06:58):
on board, and just as you go forward in your
own campaigns, stay married to Donald Trump. Help him enact
his agenda. And that'll be the biggest thing you can
do to help your candidacy in the future.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, we need partners in when you're in no matter
what state you're in, you need a partner in Washington.
And it's interesting because I do think that there is
a growing group of people that say, we can just
lose a few cycles and then he's gone and we'll
be going back to the old Republican Party. But those
voters are different. How can you possibly say that the
(07:31):
voters have changed and the voters want change. They don't
want this group controlled by the bureaucracy, which I think
is what we've had for decades now. And that is
the difference in Donald Trump. He changes things, he makes
people go, Okay, I don't know what he's going to do.
He's his own person is he's the people. He's a
(07:53):
person for the people. That's the difference. And I've seen
so you know, since I got into politics, I've seen
so many of these politicians are like, you know what,
I have to please and placate the donor class, and
they're going to tell me what to do, and I
have to do that. That was what you didn't see
with Donald Trump, and I saw this in a few
can't other candidates other than Mike rogers here in Michigan.
(08:13):
I'm sure in other states. For all of you in
other states, pay attention. This probably happened to the people
that lost in your states too, because we had a
few state house candidates and a congressional candidate who just
before the election, they were asked, well, what about Donald Trump?
They literally said in the news it was quoted, you
(08:33):
know what, I'm running my own race. We'll see how
he does. And then that day we said they'll lose.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, that you're exactly right, tutor, And as a small
business owner, your family owning their own business for years,
you totally understand that now we're moving into a phase
where we have to govern and government regulation is as
big of a piece of the puzzle as taxes, business taxes.
So not only does Donald Trump and his team his
(09:02):
administration now need to work on keeping business taxes low.
I think the small business tax now is twenty one percent.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Is that accurate?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I think I think corporate tax he's talking about dropping
that to fifteen percent, but I think I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And that's an interesting point because it's fifteen percent if
you are American based, and so there's a motivator to
keep your business in America and totally America first, and
to me, that is critical. I think also something that
you're pointing out here is these policies, you have to
be careful to make sure that you are enacting these
(09:42):
policies in your state too. So if you're in local government,
if you're in state government, look at what is happening
with government over regulation. Of course we know here in
the state of Michigan it is completely out of control.
It is crushing businesses and now they have even the
Democrats have even come out with a new law that
says they will force the companies to give PTO paid
(10:04):
time off, that the government will regulate. Can you imagine
the government going into private corporations and regulating. And I
just want to point out that what you're saying is
so key because we cannot allow these seats to go
to Democrats. Because as these seats go to Democrats, these
radical big regulation, big government democrats, they elevate these people.
(10:25):
That's how Kamala Harris failed up. You know, she came
close because they failed her up. That's what's happening every
time you lose these states. So when I hear somebody
who is a donor. Democrats get money from all over.
I mean, they win Michigan from New York and California.
When I hear donors say we don't want to put
money into Michigan, I'm like, do you want a Grutchen Whitmore,
(10:45):
a Jocelyn Benson, or a Dana Nessel in DC.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So, luckily we were able to retake one of the
chambers here in Michigan and Lansing. I haven't seen the
final results. I don't even know if everything's totally settled,
but I know we're going to regain one of the
chambers in our legislature here in Lansing, so we'll be
able to put the brakes on the Gretchen Whitmer, Jocelyn Benson,
Dana Nessel destruction of our business climate. So until twenty
(11:17):
twenty six, we can at least put a stop to
a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
They were on a real role.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
They had done a lot of damage in the first
two years in office. So until twenty twenty six, we're
gonna be able to at least put the brakes on
good and hard. So, getting back to my original point,
government regulation is just a big piece of the puzzle.
Lower taxes is the other half. And as you see
from Donald Trump's pledge to continue with that effort to
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reduce business taxes, we have to get away from that
narrative that businesses are the enemy and it's somehow wrong
for businesses to make big profits. That's a good thing
because businesses making profits creates jobs and growth, and that's
what we need.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
In higher incomes, a.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Growing economy with growing incomes, a higher number of good
paid jobs. So yeah, lower the business tax even further.
The government that governs best governs least, and the lower
we can get corporate taxes and still fund the essential
components of our government, whether it's state or federal, the better.
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So let me ask you about the auto companies here,
because we have I think it was just earlier today
(13:49):
one of the newspapers, probably the Detroit News, put out
this story of like, what does this mean? Will the
EV mandates be completely slashed under a Trump administration? What
is the future for Michigan and I would say that
the future for Michigan without EV mandates, it's much brighter
because as the EV mandates have gone in, these auto
workers and these auto companies have decided to build new factories,
(14:10):
but they're not in Michigan. So what is your take
on that on the EV mandates?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, thanks, thanks for asking me that. And you know, Tutor,
a lot of folks who are not Detroit area or
Michigan based people may not fully understand that the government's tentacles.
The federal government has become so oppressive that they were
able to put these mandates on this industry, the domestic
(14:36):
auto industry, without passing a law that comes out and says,
you know, they proposed the Green New Deal, but through
their the EPA and their environmental regulation and real, real
strict standards, they forced the domestic automakers to build a
certain percentage of their fleet as electric fully electric vehicles
(15:00):
in order to meet the emission standards and the mileage standards.
So it was sort of a surreptitious backdoor effort. So
a lot of what Donald Trump and his administration are
going to need to do will be with appointments to
these federal departments that regulate industries, and it's all going
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to be part of Donald Trump's smaller government, less government
regulation that's going to allow businesses, small businesses, and corporations
like the auto industry to grow and expand, and we
will get back to a more consumer based, supply and
demand type of an economy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
We cannot allow the.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Federal government to stick their nose in and force the
private businesses and industry to build certain type of products,
like in the auto industry, where the consumers had already
expressed their interests that they did not want to drive
fully electric automobiles. So how in the world can the
federal government force an industry to build products that the
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consumers have already said we don't want those. It's suicide
and that would China is going to jump all over
that opportunity if that were to happen. Thank god, it's
not going to happen now under Donald Trump. It would
have decimated our domestic auto industry.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So here, this is where what you're saying is so
key because and this is where a president is so important,
and this election was so important because you make a
great point. The unelected bureaucrats put in a rule it's
essentially creating law without the lawmakers. None of these people
have been elected. They don't represent the country. It is
(16:41):
an agency within the government who came in. And this
is how the Biden administration has used this and Harris
would have as well, is to use the agencies to
create law and to manage people and to put on
more regulation. And so they did this through the EPA
and then ultimately it completely changed the capitalists to side
(17:03):
the free market. No longer do we have a free
market because of unelected bureaucrats that went in and said, hey,
free market, you have to adhere to this rule. This
is a massive change because this is how every single
one of us drives. And it's not just that it's
a massive expense and there is no infrastructure for it.
I mean, that's just that's the lie of the whole thing.
(17:24):
There's no infrastructure. I love how the woman who won
the Senate seat in Michigan her ad was, I can't
personally have an EV because I live on a dirt road.
I'm like, what the heck are you saying? Do you
have no I mean, are you living by candlelight? What
the heck? Give me a break? You if we have
to you have to too. But I want to address
this because Pete booda judge, has indicated that there's a
(17:47):
chance he'll run for governor in the state of Michigan
because obviously he's not going to be in the administration now.
He's done a terrible job with transportation. He was a
terrible mayor, but he wants to run for governor of
the state of Michigan. Now. He was on Fox I
think Monday, and he was asked about these mandates and
he boldfaced liede, oh, nobody, there is no mandate. We're
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not telling people what car they have to drive. And
no matter how he tried to trap him in the truth,
he is a slipper guy. And he was like, no,
nobody's telling you a same thing, slack and did. But
a mandate is exactly that they are mandating that by
a certain date, we all have to have a certain car,
which is probably twenty to thirty thousand dollars more than
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the cars we buy now. And then you have to
add on the five to ten thousand dollars change you
have to make to your garage to be able to
charge the thing. And if you can't do it, if
you can't make that change. Your car's not going to
charge overnight to get you very far. I mean, it's
all just ridiculous. But what is the future when now
all these people disperse from Washington, they're going to come
(18:53):
back into our states and they're going to try to
implement these policies.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, we need somebody like Tutor Dixon to run against
people footage in twenty twenty six because you understand all that,
and you know how to cut Pete buotha judge off
on all those arguments. But yeah, it's a classic example
tutor of the elites in Washington, d c. Or Lansing, Michigan,
for that matter, trying to tell the average people, the
(19:19):
working people who pay the taxes, get up every day
at five am, put work boots on, and get in
there and do the work, how we should live our lives.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We're tired, you.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Know, Donald Trump being elected in an overwhelming mandate election,
it shows that we are fed up. We're tired of
being told how to live our lives, what products to
buy them, keeping us from opening our businesses, being entrepreneurial,
making money and making a profit. They've turned profit and
(19:50):
successful business into a bad word.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
In Washington and Lansing, Well, it's not a bad word.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Entrepreneurs small businessmen are the risk takers, and they're the
people who should be proud of America and the freedoms
and liberties we have in this country, and we're taking
it back.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And those small businesses are who support the auto industry.
So in the state of Michigan, much of our small business,
many of our small business owners are creating products that
go into the auto industry. And so when we see
what happened just before the election where Ford came out
and said, you know what we're going to temporarily, and
you know they're saying temporarily, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Not a storage room.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
They've ran out of storage lots around Detroit to park
them on.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
They can't get the you.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Live here, It's amazing to see what you're talking about.
I think people don't know what you're talking about. There's
these lots that are just thousand vehicles, thousands of thousands.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
They can't sell them.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
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Panibecker after this, how do you force a company to
make a product noboddy wants and this is the problem.
(22:12):
But we pay for this the taxpayers. That's the really
disgusting part about it. I think the part people really
don't understand is that every year, hundreds of millions of
dollars of taxpayer money go into these big corporations, and
we're paying for this transition to electric vehicles. It's not working.
(22:33):
So then the autoworkers get laid off the middle of
November through January, and that's like what we think. We
think they'll be back in January. What a crappy time
of year to lose your job.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Absolutely, and Tutor.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Isn't it ironic that the Democrats like to demonize big cooperations,
especially when they're making a lot of money. You know,
they don't mention the fact that when they're making a
lot of money, a lot of people are working overtime
and poign money back into our local economies. They don't
want to talk about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But it's very.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Ironic that these companies are the boogeyman for them a
lot of the times. But when they want to offer
a five hundred million dollar tax credit to get them
to build a specific product, in this case fully ev
man vehicles. Then all of a sudden, it's okay to
give money to these big cooperations like they always criticize
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Republicans for doing when they give a tax break to
an industry, So they're just hypocrites. It's another example of
democratic hypocrisy.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We see it all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Hey, look the state of Michigan. We were all supposed
to get an income tax reduction and that didn't happen.
But I see billionaires every day getting money out of Lansing.
And check your own states too, because watch the people
who are actually taking your money and giving it to
people who have more money. I mean, these are people
that are on the Forbes list as the richest people
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in the world, and we're giving them our money. And
then who's overseeing how that money is spent? And I
know this sounds radical, but it is. This is your money.
You should have it back. The fact that Americans are
giving their money away for these projects that are test projects.
I mean, this is like out in out in space.
(24:21):
What do we think we could possibly do. We don't
have any chargers, there's no infrastructure for this. Let's see
if it works. It's blowney, and yet it continues to
happen every single day. So I just want to get
your opinion because when we look at this, this is
this plant was in Dearborn. We had a massive Arab
American vote come out. And to me, this is very
(24:43):
interesting because these fellas came to my rally when I
was running for governor and we had about four or
five men from the Dearborn area come to my rally
and they were like, man, this was the first time
we were really introduced to the fact that these are
conservative values. Are conservative conservative values. That means something to
us too. I think it goes beyond the conservative values
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because Dearborn's where this plant is being shut down. A
lot of these people are small business owners. They have restaurants,
they have markets, they have gas stations, they are they
come in and they invest in their community in a
big way. But the only way they are successful is
that the big factories continue running around them. So they
see what's happening in Michigan and they're like, who is
(25:27):
giving these who is who is like who is at
the EPA that's saying we're going to control the free market,
Because that's a disaster. Do you think that moved Arab
Americans one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Not only are the Arab Americans a great cultural fit
in the Republican Party, economically it makes a lot of
sense because, like you just alluded to, many many of
the Arab American community, members of the community here in
the Dearborn area, our business owners. So they know better
(26:00):
than anyone how government regulation, high taxes, and an anti
business mood and lansing affects them. It affects them directly,
and then it affects their surrounding communities. So it was
beautiful to see Trump increase his percentage of the Jewish
vote while at the same time bringing these Muslim and
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Arab American voters like from ham Trammick Dearborn, Dearborn Heights,
getting the endorsement of these mayors and hearing their endorsements,
how their communities are waking up to the fact that
Republicans and the Republican the New Republican Party, the Maga
Republican Party fit so well with their family values, their
(26:43):
work ethic, their community sense of community, and so it's
it's amazing for me to see them coming in into
the fold for Republicans. At the same time, Trump was
increasing his vote among Jewish Americans.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's kind of ironic, but it's a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And I think a lot of that also goes back
to the peace and prosperity message of Donald Trump. Arab
Americans want peace as well as prosperity, and so did
Jewish voting Americans. So that's something that can appeal to
a broad cross section of our community, even into the
Arab and Jewish communities here in Michigan around the Dearborn.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Area, right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And I think that people who are waking up today
and say still saying how did this happen? They have
to understand that peace sells. Peace is big. Everybody wants peace,
everybody wants more money in their pocket. Those were policies
that Donald Trump was not mincing words on very clear
this is what I will bring, and he had evidence
(27:46):
to back it up because of the Abraham Accords. This
idea of running a campaign on joy is meaningless. That's meaningless.
Joy doesn't pay your bills, Joy doesn't keep your relatives
safe overseas. Joy is not a real it's not a
real thing. It's a feeling. We have got to be
able to bring back peace and prosperity, peace in the world,
prosperity in the country, and that is what Donald Trump promised,
(28:08):
and we appreciate every single day you were out there
with him. Every single day you had those rallies that
was so meaningful, and that's what we have to continue.
So I know you will. I know that even after
this administration, when there's a new person running for president,
you know you're going to continue those rallies when it
is the magabase and getting them out and bringing more
(28:29):
people on. Brian Pannabecker, thank you so much for being
on todayor.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I look forward to working alongside you for the next
two years four years. We've got a bright future ahead
of us. Donald Trump is going to do great things
and I'm really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yes, yes, he will, and so will you. Thank you
so much, and thank you all for joining us on
the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others. Go
to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com or the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join
us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have
a blessed day
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