November 25, 2024 • 37 mins
David Pollack, college football Hall of Famer, on never giving up. Investigative reporter Julie Kelly on the Jack Smith case and what should happen next: we are entitled to the truth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in our number three Monday edition Clay Travis
Buck Sexton Show. Buck is out with his family already
for Thanksgiving. I'm with you here today, will be with
you tomorrow. Encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast.
Many of you out on the roads and in the
skies traveling to be with your friends and family on
Thanksgiving week, including my own family, and so I want
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all you to be safe and I want you to
be able to take us with you wherever you may be.
Big news out there. We knew it was coming, but
it's happened in the last few minutes. We'll play some
audio for you a bit later. Jack Smith has dropped
all of the charges against Donald Trump in the Washington
d c.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Case as well.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now South Florida done your federal government's attempt. Joe Biden's
federal government Department of Justice attempt to put his chief
political rival Donald Trump in prison for the rest of
his life has officially gone up in smoke. It's a
huge story and it goes to the election itself in
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twenty twenty, which the math just ain't math. And on
Joe Biden getting eighty one million votes in my always
humble opinion. But we are joined now by a guy
who I've watched for years. He is former Georgia and
NFL football star David Pollock. He has got a brand
new book out. I appreciate him coming on with us
right now. And I'm curious. You played college football and
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you played in the NFL. David, what's your take on
the Trump dance that you are seeing athletes everywhere but
particular high school, college and NFL players break out?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
What does it represent? Does it mean anything to you?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's fantastic. That's number one. I literally looked over play
in the kitchen yesterday and my son was doing it.
My son and he was there in the kitchen and
he was just rocking back in and I just started laughing.
But now I think it's you know, listen, players absolutely
know what's going on. It's not by accident. Players don't
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do things just by accident, don't do things that they've
seen as they don't know what it means, especially nowadays.
Now some of us big dumb animals from back in
the day, we might have done that, but now you know,
whatever you do is looked at, and you're obviously going
to be reposted all over the place. So obviously there
is one hundred percent a support message there and a
funny message, and I think it's pretty cool by the
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guys that are doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do you ever think about what your life would have
been like, or what your teammate's life would have been
like if social media as it exists today had existed
when you were on the University of Georgia's campus.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, I have thought about it, and I'm like, man,
that would have been miserable. Yeah, because you know, as
an athlete, you just try, you know, so hard to
kind of get away from things sometimes, and you know,
the camera phone pandemic started, you know, kind of in
that time for us, and you're like, holy cow. And
so then you have the video phone and now social
and I just think, you know, these players, man, it's
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hard for them to find places to get away, you know,
from all the drama, all the talking about the same
sport over and over again, and so I understand the frustration.
I think it would have been. It'd have been interesting
how I handled it. I know it would have been
a train wreck. It would have been an absolute train wreck,
because what you don't know is what you don't know.
And I think some of the kids you see that
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they're starting to grow up with this, and I think
that matters, like that's a big deal, Like they've kind
of been coached and know I'm a high school football coach,
Like I'm trying to tell these kids, like you can't
put something on there that if you expect this not
to live there, like it's gonna live forever. I remember
being to the draft a couple of years ago with
not a couple years I'm getting old, but like several
years ago with Josh Allen and his tweet pops up
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the day before the draft, and nobody's talked about that
in years, right, But it's something he sent out and
I think he was like fifteen years old. And everything
you know will stick with you, and so they're definitely
learning those lessons.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You've got a new book out that won't quit. Kid,
you just mentioned that your co ching high school football.
Why so I got a bunch of things that I
want to dive into here with you. But you're younger
than me. But you were just talking about your son.
I've got three boys. A big part of the storyline
of the Trump election, and we were just talking about
the Trump dance is young men, and I'm sure you
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see it coaching them in high school football just feel
profoundly alienated from larger society. They're not graduating at the
same levels as women. They're not having the same levels
of success. Why do you think so many young men
boys really are struggling?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I mean, I think you know boys in their
identity and who they are, and obviously the maturity level,
Like we've talked about this for a long time, the
maturity level of boys, it takes a little bit longer.
I mean, we don't quite grow up as fast as girls.
And I think you see that. But I think you
see a lot too. I'm around a bunch of these kids, man,
Like a lot of them they say college. No, I
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mean absolutely not, Like I want to start making money
and learn on the job while I'm learning a trade.
And so you know, I think you see a lot
of that too. A lot of kids now instead of
you know, feeling like back in the day, we felt
like we had to go get education, like that was
the next step, that was a necessary step that your
parents told you you needed to take. And now I
think that you're seeing business can be run one hundred
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million percent without a degree, and it's hard to keep
them focused because a lot of them care about sports
and that's about it. And you're like, well, you know,
school comes with sports. If you want to play sports
long term, you got to do your school work. So
I think the ability to go make a living pretty
quickly out of high school and be very successful without
a degree is open to them.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now, you mentioned how many kids, and I think it's huge.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's why I fought so hard for schools not to
shut down boys in particular, but also a lot of girls.
But let's talk boys here for a sec A lot
of sports I always tell my kids, and I try
to tell I've coached youth league now for a lot
of those kids. A lot of my kidkids and other
kids try to teach them, hey, use the ball, don't
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let the ball use you. And that's an important message
because a lot of guys out there, especially the more
talented they are, can get used up by the system
and not be able to get the benefit of their
athletic talent when they just focus on athletics. How much
of that have you've seen and how do you try
to talk to your guys. You had tremendous success. You're
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an All American College Football Hall of Famer, went on
first round draft pick, played for the Cincinnati Bengals. Football
has been a lot to you. But for most kids,
that's not the pathway they're going to have. How do
you teach them that sports is a path to future
life success? Not for most of them, what future life
success is actually going to look?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Like, I mean, that's the whole point of Like sport
is the greatest teacher. Like I me and my wife
all the time talk growing up with our kids, like
how do we create adversity, how do we make it
a little bit harder for them? We live in a
great neighborhood, we live in a great county. They don't struggle,
And so I think that's why I think sport is
so important, because these kids can struggle at something they
can win, they can lose. They can lose because of
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a teammate, they can lose because of them, Like, they
can try their harders and just not be good enough.
Like these are all lessons that we need in life, right,
Like we've got to face the facts at some point
that life is gonna be hard, like life is gonna
hit us in the mouth sometimes and it's gonna win,
and there's gonna be circumstances we can't control. Last night,
at the dinner table with my son, we're sitting there talking.
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He's like, everybody uses chat GBT for their tests, and
we got a sub for the next couple of weeks,
and they just keep they just keep using it for
their tests and they're getting you know, ninety fives or hundreds,
and like, I'm not I'm not cheating it. I'm getting
an eighty five. And we're like, okay, well what do
you think about that? And I'm like, well, I'd love
to get chat GBT on my phone. And I'm like, no, no, no,
that's not the lesson we're trying to learn, buddy. He's like,
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we're trying to teach you you got to do what's right,
you know, and and accept those things that you will
always get ahead if you do the things that are right.
So I think sports will show you like you're not
always gonna be the best just because you work the
hardest or because you tried real hard. I think, you know,
we're teaching I always want to teach my kids like
you control your attitude and your effort. Like that's it.
Like we can't control whether we win, we can't control
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whether we lose, but we can't control if we're going
to be a great teammate and try as hard as
we can and have a lot of joy while doing it.
And that's what I see, Clay, that really drives me nuts.
Across the country, some of these coaches, man, they rip
the joy out of youth league sports. Like these kids
are quitting at a higher rate because it's been It
hasn't been a kid's game for a while. They've been
playing a game that's been super hard since middle school,
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and they've been so demanding and making them do this
and making them run all over the place and take
take car trips all over the place. When I think,
if we can keep it fun and work as hard
as you can and have a good attitude, like I
think we'd have a lot more success with it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think that's important.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
We got a lot of dads and moms out there
that are driving all over the place because their kids
are in club sports, whatever that sport may be, and
sometimes that can burn out not only the kid, but
also the parent because it's a lot of work to
be going on over the place instead of playing in
your neighborhood little league game. Suddenly you're traveling all over
the state. Some people are going all over the country.
(09:07):
What do you think's ideal? You're a pro athlete. How
are you raising your own kids when it comes to
competing and playing sports.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, one thing that I've seen is it really doesn't
matter what team you're on. Like I didn't have a
personal trainers, Like I didn't have a personal weightlifting coach.
I ride my bike around the neighborhood. God gave me
a big legs and big butt and a tenacity and
a want to do great and so like that was
the reason I went there. Like I'm with so many parents.
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I was with one this morning, and they talk about scheduling.
They've got to go here and they've got to go there.
I'm like, you don't have to be on that team, Like,
pick a team that fits your family schedule and what
you want. Like churches are non negotiable in our household,
Like we're going to go to church, So we're not
going to travel all over God's Green Earth and mix
church because I want to show my kids that church
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is more important sport that is more important than sport.
And so for us, we found out we find a
lot of local tournaments. Are they as good, absolutely not.
But what we did was we just played up a
little bit, like if we wanted more competition, we played
up a couple grade levels and it wasn't elite, but
we got beat and we played better competition. And you know,
my son and daughter are getting older now and play
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There's plenty of things that I did wrong that I
would love to do better. That's part of the reason
why I wrote the book. But I think one of
the things we did really well was we don't have
to travel all over the place, like you can find
local places to enjoy it. You can make it fun,
like don't drag your kids to make them practice. Like yes,
encourage them and show up every time that they ask you.
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But like if you're making it and you're just deciding
they need to do X, Y and Z, like they're
never going to adopt their own journey. And I'd argue,
when they adopt it as their own journey and they
want to do it and they're asking you to do it,
they're going to have more fun. And when they have
more fun, I think they have a better chance to
be successful. That's what I noticed when I got to Georgia.
So many players there. They were ranked way higher than me,
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but they were like this, I'm so tired of this crap.
And I'm like, really, I'm like, we get to work out,
we get to practice. And I remember, you know, them
going going to practice in the in the mornings, and
we were there, like I remember Thanksgiving breaking. They're like,
we don't get to go home. I'm like, guys, we
got nothing else to do, Like we literally get to
play football, Like we get to do this. And so
I think sport has gone crazy because sport is a
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money maker. Youth league sports is about making money. Travel
ball is about making money, and I think we keep
buying into that live that the team depends on where
your kid's future is, and that's not the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Talking to David Pollock ESPN, He's been all over the place,
University of Georgia, Cincinnati, Bengal College Football Hall of Famer.
You mentioned the book, encourage people to check it out,
The Won't Quit Kid. You also have the Pollock Family Foundation,
you run with your wife and kids. What should people
know about both those? The Foundation and the book here
as we're Thanksgiving week, I imagine there's a lot of
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messages that you want to get out through both.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yes, sir, I think the book talks directly to what
we just talked about, and we talk about like kids
are quitting at a higher rate. It's sixty percent now
of kids that start sports when they're younger quit by thirteen.
And if we're gonna use those lessons man and build
those you know, there's the resilience inside of our kids,
Like we want them to play sports, and we want
them to go out there and challenge themselves and do
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hard things like so they can handle hard like Hart
is coming for our kids. At some point, it's gonna
get difficult. We can, we can make it as easy
as possible while they're with us, but at some point,
life's gonna hit them really hard. And I think that
was the book. It's about a kid loves football, man
and wants to play, but he goes out there and
it's it's hot, and it's hard, and it hurts, and
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that's what life's gonna be. It's gonna hurt, and it's
gonna it's gonna be hot, it's gonna be hard and
so teaching it how to approach, like, hey, let's just
have a great practice today and have a good attitude
and do the best you can. And so that's the
premise of the book that I hope everybody gets from
it when they read it. And then our foundation, Man,
it's really been fun since since I've been since I
got fired, that I've had so much more time. And
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you know, out of that came the Banquet of Blessings
and we actually had a last night play. We served
a thousand people in downtown Athens. It was so cool.
We busting a bunch of the homeless from the shelters
around and everybody came in and every single person got
served at absolute ceased throw down dessert, coffee, the whole nine.
And then everybody that was there got to go through
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a line and they got a brand new coat and
a scarf and mittens and gloves and socks and all
like kid's books and they got hygiene packs and book
backs for them, book backs for their kids. So it
was just it's a cool thing that we've seen with
our community. Man, there's a lot of people out there
that are in some bad spots and we're trying to
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help out as much as we can because we know we're,
for one, you know, decision away from being in there,
and so I think that's what we're trying to do
in the Athens communities kind of meet a bunch of
these kids and these families where they're at and try
to help them.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You just mentioned something there that's important. I've been fired
several times. I imagine a lot of people out there
have been fired as well. What was that like for you?
And what you just said that there is a blessing
sometimes that comes with being fired. I think it's an
important message, particularly in Thanksgiving time where so many people
are worried and you have a job and then you
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have that moment where suddenly you don't What was that
like for you?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think the first reaction is always like oh my gosh, like,
oh crap, what am I going to do next? And
I think first reaction is usually kind of a fight,
you know, a fight or flight mentality, and you figure
out like what do I need to do? But the
thing it's done for me is it's been really cool
because you know, you kind of get on a bike
in life and you just start riding and then I
think a lot of times you ride and you end
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up down the road, you know, twenty five minutes, and
then twenty five minutes turns into twenty five years, you know,
doing the same thing, and you kind of forget about
the art of the possible. And that's what's been really
cool to me. It's just a dream Clay. If you'd
have told me I was an author, I have slapped you.
I've been like, absolutely hot. I am not sitting down.
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I'm a I'm a dumb defensive player. I'm not sitting
down and concentrating enough to do that. And so that's
been fun. And then speaking and just you know, coaching
high school football, coaching I coach girls harsh high school
varsity basketball, like women's it's fantastic, it's unbelievable. And so
I think what's cool is you get a chance to
really assess when you get fired, what brings me joy, Like,
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what really wakes me up man and excites me? And
if you can find something like that, I think that's
where that's where God wants you to be, Like, find
those find those avenues in those areas that excite you.
And sometimes it's not always going to be where the
money is. And a lot of people are gonna look
at that and that's not success. But but I would
argue differently. Man, When you when you really feel good
about what you do and you get to pay bills
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and you get to pursue something that you know fills
your tank, I think it's really fun. And that's that's
been a cool thing about.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'm home all the time with my babies, plugget plubglic,
plugging in as much as possible and able to support them.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Good stuff as always, man, I appreciate it. We need
to talk longer sometime. The book The Won't Quick Kid.
Encourage you to check it out, David Pollock, and keep
doing the good work with the Pollock Family Foundation as well.
And good luck to you and your family for this
Thanksgiving week.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Absolutely thanks, thank you very much and happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Same to you, David Pollock. That enthusiasm contagious.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
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that the entire Lawfair scheme was designed to influence the
election by deciding that he is going to drop all
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
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Speaker 2 (19:07):
Buck is out with his family for Thanksgiving week. I'll
be with you the rest of today and tomorrow solo.
Julie Kelly about to join me, But if you happen
to be watching NBC. About an hour ago, they broke
into programming with this announcement.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Listen, this is an NBC News special report. Here's Lester
holt Go. Today.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
We're coming on the early breaking news about President elect
Donald Trump. The Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith just
filed a motion to dismiss the federal criminal case against
the President elect over his efforts to overturn the twenty
twenty election results. The news comes after NBC News learned
the Justice Department had been planning to wind down its
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federal cases against mister Trump. It also comes as NBC
News learn that's Smith and his team plan to resign
before mister Trump returns to the White House.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
All right, that was in BC.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
We bring in now Julie Kelly, who has been right
on everything on with us for years. Julie, what do
you think before we get into what's coming next? What
do you think so many people out there who were told, oh,
Trump's going to go to prison for the rest of
his life. Oh my goodness, he had no right to
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do any of this. Supreme Court has come out and said, actually,
much of this was occurring within his presidential authority. I
think that's an important precedent that they've set, whether you're
a Democratic, Republican or independent. And now Jack Smith is
like a rat on a sinking ship that's scurrying to
try to get on a lifeboat. I mean, this is
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pretty extraordinary to see all of this just come spiraling
down around him.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
What happens next?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
It really is Clay. I mean, we could not have
and a better ending to this story and the years
that we have discussed the January sixth prosecution. Of course,
two years of covering Special Counsel Jack Smith. What a
humiliating end deserving end, of course, we have to say
for Jack Smith and his team of prosecutorial thugs in
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Florida and in Washington. But let's pause for a moment
that NBC News broke into programming. This is the sort
of stuff that used to be reserved for, like you know,
if a president was shot or we went to war,
not because a corrupt prosecutor was forced to drop a
week fourcount indictment against the former and incoming president. If
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this reflects the media's obsession with this and how much
it means to them, how devastating it is to the
regime media and Democrats that this is over. So again,
Jack Smith today filing in Washington dropping dismissing the FORETN
indictment against the president related to the events of January sixth.
In July, judging Leen Cannon already dismissed that indictment and
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that jurisdiction for you know, the alleged classified documents case.
So now both of these cases are dead letters for now.
I have to note that in his last dirty trick,
Jack Smith moved to dismiss the Washington case without prejudice.
That means Clay, you know this as an attorney. That
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means they sort of reserve it. They kind of you know,
dismiss it, but somebody could bring it back to life later.
If you dismiss it with prejudice, it means it's overdone.
No one can recescocate the case. So he's still trying
to cling to the belief that this week four account
indictment that was gutted by the Supreme Court after its
community growing in July somehow is still legitimate. And oh,
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except for the fact that he was elected, we would
have moved forward with us and won. He would not have.
So now it's time to turn the tables. As we've
talked about, Jack Smith and his team must be investigated,
and this must happen, must happen by a COMCYOJ and
Republicans in the House and Senate. You need accountability for
what has been done here, for the lives that have
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been told to the American people, and to make sure
that these bad actors are held accountable and so this
never happens again to a Republican or a Democrat President.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Julie, I think it's important now that the full accounting
from twenty twenty four to three weeks later is done
to remember what was the impetus behind much of these
charges was a belief that Joe Biden didn't get eighty
one million legal votes. Now that we have seen twenty
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sixteen and twenty twenty and twenty twenty four in their totality,
Kamala got seven million less votes than Joe Biden did.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Does the math add up to you.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I'm telling everybody out there today, the math doesn't add
up to me. Does anybody actually still believe that Joe
Biden got eighty one million legitimate votes?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I mean, I think Joe Biden knows so his.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Brain doesn't his brain doesn't work. But I mean, I mean, Julie,
like I wanted to withhold is. I wanted to see
what happened in twenty twenty four, and I wanted to
see the full tally. I didn't want to jump out
the day after and be like, oh, Kamla got eleven
million less votes or whatever the taally was. We got
three weeks of counting, she's going to be seven million behind.
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I think a big part of this is suddenly I
think people are going to be able to put their
heads up and say, yeah, I don't know that the
math adds.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Up here absolutely correct. And I think that graph that
was going around a few days after election day was
really shocking and illuminating, you know, the bar graph as
to what the vote totals were in twenty sixteen, then
this huge fight in twenty twenty for Democrats, then sort
of returning back to normal. So this is why Donald
Trump said last week that he will fight everyone Jack
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Smith and his team, who is already already said they're
going to resign before Donald Trump takes office. But he
also will deploy resources in the DOJ to investigate the
twenty twenty election and all again play the lies that
we were told by everyone from Attorney General Bill Barr
at the time to then the Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Roseman,
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top DOJ and FBI officials who insist there was no
evidence of voting fraud and furthermore claimed that they had
conducted investigations when we later found out there was no
DOJ investigations into this these various states and voting frauds.
So I think that given the results of twenty twenty four,
it is fair for the president now to look into
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really what happened because we strongly believe the election was stolen.
We see what has happened to our country in the
wake of Biden's stolen presidential election, and again we are
entitled to the truth one way or the other. We
just want to know exactly what happened, what didn't happen
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to just like the Jacksmith, make sure it does not
happen again.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
What should happen to Jack Smith.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Well, first of all, I implore Charles Grassley, the incoming
Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, to send a letter directly to
Jack Smith and his team telling them not to leave
the country. As we've talked about play, Jack Smith and
one of his prosecutors, David Harbach, were at the Hague
overseeing criminal prosecution of the Kosovo former Kosovo president on
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war crimes. There are rumors that he plans to resign
and then quickly return to the Hague. He should not
leave the country, and I think that's something that Charles
grass Leave, the Senator from Iowa, needs to warn Jack
Smith and his team not to leave because they need
a full blown investigation into the Special Council's office. What
I reported, what happened in the Florida case, specifically campering
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with evidence, destruction of evidence, obstructing investigations, threatening witnesses and lawyers,
which is what Jay Brett did, and proven conspiracy clay
between the National Archives DJ and the Biden White House
to concoct some sort of documents case against Donald Trump
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as early as the spring of twenty twenty one. We
saw the records, We saw the correspondence between those three entities,
and the idea that Joe Biden's White House is somehow
insulated from the two unprecedented criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump
just does not match the evidence and even some of
Joe Biden's own public statements. So there is a lot
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to dig into here. And you know, it's very tough
for prosecutors to go after prosecutors. But that's not what
Jack Smith was. He was a dirty Democratic operative. This
guy is the biggest loser indj history. Supreme Court Unana,
we overturn his political conviction of Bob McDonald and his wife.
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He did not get a single conviction in the first
prosecution of Senator Bob Menandez. He did not get a
conviction of Senator John Edwards. He was rebuked by the
Supreme Court three times this year in the community ruling
Fisher ruling on fifteen twelve QWO and the Supreme Court
rejecting his emergency appeal to bypass the DC Circuit Court
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on community ruling and take up that question immediately so
they could try to push that case to trial in
Washington before the election. He is a loser. Is a
rogue Democrat operative disguised as a federal prosecutor, and he
must be fully investigated and yes, probably likely face criminal
charges of his own.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
If that all happens.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It also then implicates, as you just laid out all
of the prosecution of the January sixth defendants, you've covered
these individuals better than almost anyone in the country. Donald
Trump may have already asked you, but a lot of
his staff listens to this show. Obviously, what should happen
in your opinion with the January sixth defendants? Should it
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be uniform action? Do you think there are some people
that aren't worthy of clemency from the president? What would
you suggest?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I would say, and I reject the idea that this
needs to be a case by case review. I think
for a handful of defendants number one, who have criminal histories,
or number two are known informants, confidential human sources as
they're called, which we know there were dozens, perhaps more
than one hundred involved. Most of them were not charged,
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but a handful probably were. They should be exempted from
pardons or communications. But even those who are accused of
assaulting police, I'm the flimsiest flimsiest conduct, and of course
charges that have never been brought against political protesters in Washington.
They still had to go before one Democrats juries. They
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had to go before unhinged partisan judges, and shouldn't even
say part of them because some of the Republican judges
were worse than the Democrats. This was such a rigged
process that even those accused of violence did not have
their constitutional rights honors to due process for a fair
jury trial before a jury of their peers, where all
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of the evidence was produced to the judge or jury.
We know over and over judges refused to enter into evidence,
exculpatory videos, exculpatory testimonies by even federal agents that would
have exonerated these defendants. It was rigged time after time.
So I strongly support almost a blanket pardon is an
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easy way to say it, but all of them should
should be immune, should be exonerated, should be pardoned, to
be released from prison. You know, we have Enrique Ontario
in jail for twenty two years clay on a seditious
conspiracy conviction. He committed no violence, He wasn't even in Washington,
but because he was the head of the Proud Boys,
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the government sought and received by a Trump judge by
the way, Tim Kelly, twenty two years in a federal prison,
and I'll tell you I talked to Jay six attorney yesterday.
These J six defendants, former Marines, former law enforcements, are
in some of the worst federal prisons in our country.
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Was hardened long time felons, violent salons, murderers, terrorist rapists.
This is where they are being sent to. It is
a travesty at every level. And I don't agree with
the cat dancing. With few exceptions, every single JA sixer
should be pardoned and those who are in prison now
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to be an immediately released from custody.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Julie, keep up the fantastic work. Enjoy maybe a nice
beverage of your choice to celebrate Jack Smith officially being finished.
And I hope that he has to stand and be
held accountable for what he did as well as Mayor Garland.
By the way, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Thanks Gray, have great Thanksgiving you.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Too, Julie Kelly been doing phenomenal work. Glad she could
join us here with that breaking news. Trump officially cleared
of all federal charges in terms of those cases pending.
Bucks out this week for the Thanksgiving holiday. So I
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from all of us at the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show. David in Canton, Ohio. You think eighty one
million people voted for Joe Biden?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yes, I do, and so I'm not mistaken. Oh good?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So no, No, I was just gonna say so, just
for the data.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Sixty five point eight million people voted for Hillary and
seventy four million voted for Kamala. So Kamala got seven
million less votes than Joe Biden, and Joe Biden got
sixteen million.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
More votes than Hillary. You think those are all legit?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
I do, and I can explain why. Okay, So back
in twenty and sixteen, when Donald Trump gotten in office,
obviously the Democrats didn't like this. So in twenty twenty,
there was a record number of people that came out
to vote because we wanted change. We did not want
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Donald Trump. Whether now I'm a working man and union man,
somebody who's looking forward to my pension, social security, there's
numerous reasons, and I didn't feel that, you know, Donald
Trump was the man for me. So I feel that
record number of people wanted Donald Trump out and that's
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what happened. And let's say that's legitimate. Okay, Joe Biden
gets elected. Now, why did the numbers drop off dramatically
for Kamala Harris? Because you had forty years of a ridiculous,
terrible Democratic Party that was Whether it's true or not,
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and they're giving the the.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So wait, let me ask you this. I get how
did you vote? How did you vote in twenty sixteen?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
I voted for Hillary.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
How did you vote in twenty twenty Biden, how did
you vote in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Kamala?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, so you voted against hold On, but you yourself voted
against Donald Trump three different times. So I disagree with
your votes, but you're consistent. What I am saying is
you think that Joe Biden was an infinitely better candidate
running against Donald Trump than either Hillary or Kamala.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
At the time of voting.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Okay, yes you must.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Okay, So you think that Barack Obama two thousand and
eight twelve million less votes than Joe Biden. Barack Obama
was a shell of the candidate that Joe Biden.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Was because politics have changed drastically in those last eight
to twelve years.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
All Right, thank you for the call. We're finishing the show.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I would just ask, and he thinks it's legit. Hey,
eighty one million. Joe Biden's the most popular president since
George Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
According to guy who just called.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It, Barack Obama, the greatest Democrat candidate of the twenty
first century, got sixty nine and a half million votes
in two thousand and eight. Joe Biden in twenty twenty
beat him by twelve million votes. I'm not Biden, slave
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Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in our number three Monday edition Clay Travis
Buck Sexton Show. Buck is out with his family already
for Thanksgiving. I'm with you here today, will be with
you tomorrow. Encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast.
Many of you out on the roads and in the
skies traveling to be with your friends and family on
Thanksgiving week, including my own family, and so I want
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all you to be safe and I want you to
be able to take us with you wherever you may be.
Big news out there. We knew it was coming, but
it's happened in the last few minutes. We'll play some
audio for you a bit later. Jack Smith has dropped
all of the charges against Donald Trump in the Washington
d c.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Case as well.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now South Florida done your federal government's attempt. Joe Biden's
federal government Department of Justice attempt to put his chief
political rival Donald Trump in prison for the rest of
his life has officially gone up in smoke. It's a
huge story and it goes to the election itself in
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twenty twenty, which the math just ain't math. And on
Joe Biden getting eighty one million votes in my always
humble opinion. But we are joined now by a guy
who I've watched for years. He is former Georgia and
NFL football star David Pollock. He has got a brand
new book out. I appreciate him coming on with us
right now. And I'm curious. You played college football and
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you played in the NFL. David, what's your take on
the Trump dance that you are seeing athletes everywhere but
particular high school, college and NFL players break out?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
What does it represent? Does it mean anything to you?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's fantastic. That's number one. I literally looked over play
in the kitchen yesterday and my son was doing it.
My son and he was there in the kitchen and
he was just rocking back in and I just started laughing.
But now I think it's you know, listen, players absolutely
know what's going on. It's not by accident. Players don't
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do things just by accident, don't do things that they've
seen as they don't know what it means, especially nowadays.
Now some of us big dumb animals from back in
the day, we might have done that, but now you know,
whatever you do is looked at, and you're obviously going
to be reposted all over the place. So obviously there
is one hundred percent a support message there and a
funny message, and I think it's pretty cool by the
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guys that are doing it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do you ever think about what your life would have
been like, or what your teammate's life would have been
like if social media as it exists today had existed
when you were on the University of Georgia's campus.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, I have thought about it, and I'm like, man,
that would have been miserable. Yeah, because you know, as
an athlete, you just try, you know, so hard to
kind of get away from things sometimes, and you know,
the camera phone pandemic started, you know, kind of in
that time for us, and you're like, holy cow. And
so then you have the video phone and now social
and I just think, you know, these players, man, it's
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hard for them to find places to get away, you know,
from all the drama, all the talking about the same
sport over and over again, and so I understand the frustration.
I think it would have been. It'd have been interesting
how I handled it. I know it would have been
a train wreck. It would have been an absolute train wreck,
because what you don't know is what you don't know.
And I think some of the kids you see that
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they're starting to grow up with this, and I think
that matters, like that's a big deal, Like they've kind
of been coached and know I'm a high school football coach,
Like I'm trying to tell these kids, like you can't
put something on there that if you expect this not
to live there, like it's gonna live forever. I remember
being to the draft a couple of years ago with
not a couple years I'm getting old, but like several
years ago with Josh Allen and his tweet pops up
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the day before the draft, and nobody's talked about that
in years, right, But it's something he sent out and
I think he was like fifteen years old. And everything
you know will stick with you, and so they're definitely
learning those lessons.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You've got a new book out that won't quit. Kid,
you just mentioned that your co ching high school football.
Why so I got a bunch of things that I
want to dive into here with you. But you're younger
than me. But you were just talking about your son.
I've got three boys. A big part of the storyline
of the Trump election, and we were just talking about
the Trump dance is young men, and I'm sure you
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see it coaching them in high school football just feel
profoundly alienated from larger society. They're not graduating at the
same levels as women. They're not having the same levels
of success. Why do you think so many young men
boys really are struggling?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I mean, I think you know boys in their
identity and who they are, and obviously the maturity level,
Like we've talked about this for a long time, the
maturity level of boys, it takes a little bit longer.
I mean, we don't quite grow up as fast as girls.
And I think you see that. But I think you
see a lot too. I'm around a bunch of these kids, man,
Like a lot of them they say college. No, I
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mean absolutely not, Like I want to start making money
and learn on the job while I'm learning a trade.
And so you know, I think you see a lot
of that too. A lot of kids now instead of
you know, feeling like back in the day, we felt
like we had to go get education, like that was
the next step, that was a necessary step that your
parents told you you needed to take. And now I
think that you're seeing business can be run one hundred
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million percent without a degree, and it's hard to keep
them focused because a lot of them care about sports
and that's about it. And you're like, well, you know,
school comes with sports. If you want to play sports
long term, you got to do your school work. So
I think the ability to go make a living pretty
quickly out of high school and be very successful without
a degree is open to them.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now, you mentioned how many kids, and I think it's huge.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's why I fought so hard for schools not to
shut down boys in particular, but also a lot of girls.
But let's talk boys here for a sec A lot
of sports I always tell my kids, and I try
to tell I've coached youth league now for a lot
of those kids. A lot of my kidkids and other
kids try to teach them, hey, use the ball, don't
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let the ball use you. And that's an important message
because a lot of guys out there, especially the more
talented they are, can get used up by the system
and not be able to get the benefit of their
athletic talent when they just focus on athletics. How much
of that have you've seen and how do you try
to talk to your guys. You had tremendous success. You're
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an All American College Football Hall of Famer, went on
first round draft pick, played for the Cincinnati Bengals. Football
has been a lot to you. But for most kids,
that's not the pathway they're going to have. How do
you teach them that sports is a path to future
life success? Not for most of them, what future life
success is actually going to look?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Like, I mean, that's the whole point of Like sport
is the greatest teacher. Like I me and my wife
all the time talk growing up with our kids, like
how do we create adversity, how do we make it
a little bit harder for them? We live in a
great neighborhood, we live in a great county. They don't struggle,
And so I think that's why I think sport is
so important, because these kids can struggle at something they
can win, they can lose. They can lose because of
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a teammate, they can lose because of them, Like, they
can try their harders and just not be good enough.
Like these are all lessons that we need in life, right,
Like we've got to face the facts at some point
that life is gonna be hard, like life is gonna
hit us in the mouth sometimes and it's gonna win,
and there's gonna be circumstances we can't control. Last night,
at the dinner table with my son, we're sitting there talking.
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He's like, everybody uses chat GBT for their tests, and
we got a sub for the next couple of weeks,
and they just keep they just keep using it for
their tests and they're getting you know, ninety fives or hundreds,
and like, I'm not I'm not cheating it. I'm getting
an eighty five. And we're like, okay, well what do
you think about that? And I'm like, well, I'd love
to get chat GBT on my phone. And I'm like, no, no, no,
that's not the lesson we're trying to learn, buddy. He's like,
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we're trying to teach you you got to do what's right,
you know, and and accept those things that you will
always get ahead if you do the things that are right.
So I think sports will show you like you're not
always gonna be the best just because you work the
hardest or because you tried real hard. I think, you know,
we're teaching I always want to teach my kids like
you control your attitude and your effort. Like that's it.
Like we can't control whether we win, we can't control
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whether we lose, but we can't control if we're going
to be a great teammate and try as hard as
we can and have a lot of joy while doing it.
And that's what I see, Clay, that really drives me nuts.
Across the country, some of these coaches, man, they rip
the joy out of youth league sports. Like these kids
are quitting at a higher rate because it's been It
hasn't been a kid's game for a while. They've been
playing a game that's been super hard since middle school,
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and they've been so demanding and making them do this
and making them run all over the place and take
take car trips all over the place. When I think,
if we can keep it fun and work as hard
as you can and have a good attitude, like I
think we'd have a lot more success with it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think that's important.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
We got a lot of dads and moms out there
that are driving all over the place because their kids
are in club sports, whatever that sport may be, and
sometimes that can burn out not only the kid, but
also the parent because it's a lot of work to
be going on over the place instead of playing in
your neighborhood little league game. Suddenly you're traveling all over
the state. Some people are going all over the country.
(09:07):
What do you think's ideal? You're a pro athlete. How
are you raising your own kids when it comes to
competing and playing sports.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, one thing that I've seen is it really doesn't
matter what team you're on. Like I didn't have a
personal trainers, Like I didn't have a personal weightlifting coach.
I ride my bike around the neighborhood. God gave me
a big legs and big butt and a tenacity and
a want to do great and so like that was
the reason I went there. Like I'm with so many parents.
(09:35):
I was with one this morning, and they talk about scheduling.
They've got to go here and they've got to go there.
I'm like, you don't have to be on that team, Like,
pick a team that fits your family schedule and what
you want. Like churches are non negotiable in our household,
Like we're going to go to church, So we're not
going to travel all over God's Green Earth and mix
church because I want to show my kids that church
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is more important sport that is more important than sport.
And so for us, we found out we find a
lot of local tournaments. Are they as good, absolutely not.
But what we did was we just played up a
little bit, like if we wanted more competition, we played
up a couple grade levels and it wasn't elite, but
we got beat and we played better competition. And you know,
my son and daughter are getting older now and play
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There's plenty of things that I did wrong that I
would love to do better. That's part of the reason
why I wrote the book. But I think one of
the things we did really well was we don't have
to travel all over the place, like you can find
local places to enjoy it. You can make it fun,
like don't drag your kids to make them practice. Like yes,
encourage them and show up every time that they ask you.
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But like if you're making it and you're just deciding
they need to do X, Y and Z, like they're
never going to adopt their own journey. And I'd argue,
when they adopt it as their own journey and they
want to do it and they're asking you to do it,
they're going to have more fun. And when they have
more fun, I think they have a better chance to
be successful. That's what I noticed when I got to Georgia.
So many players there. They were ranked way higher than me,
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but they were like this, I'm so tired of this crap.
And I'm like, really, I'm like, we get to work out,
we get to practice. And I remember, you know, them
going going to practice in the in the mornings, and
we were there, like I remember Thanksgiving breaking. They're like,
we don't get to go home. I'm like, guys, we
got nothing else to do, Like we literally get to
play football, Like we get to do this. And so
I think sport has gone crazy because sport is a
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money maker. Youth league sports is about making money. Travel
ball is about making money, and I think we keep
buying into that live that the team depends on where
your kid's future is, and that's not the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Talking to David Pollock ESPN, He's been all over the place,
University of Georgia, Cincinnati, Bengal College Football Hall of Famer.
You mentioned the book, encourage people to check it out,
The Won't Quit Kid. You also have the Pollock Family Foundation,
you run with your wife and kids. What should people
know about both those? The Foundation and the book here
as we're Thanksgiving week, I imagine there's a lot of
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messages that you want to get out through both.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yes, sir, I think the book talks directly to what
we just talked about, and we talk about like kids
are quitting at a higher rate. It's sixty percent now
of kids that start sports when they're younger quit by thirteen.
And if we're gonna use those lessons man and build
those you know, there's the resilience inside of our kids,
Like we want them to play sports, and we want
them to go out there and challenge themselves and do
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hard things like so they can handle hard like Hart
is coming for our kids. At some point, it's gonna
get difficult. We can, we can make it as easy
as possible while they're with us, but at some point,
life's gonna hit them really hard. And I think that
was the book. It's about a kid loves football, man
and wants to play, but he goes out there and
it's it's hot, and it's hard, and it hurts, and
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that's what life's gonna be. It's gonna hurt, and it's
gonna it's gonna be hot, it's gonna be hard and
so teaching it how to approach, like, hey, let's just
have a great practice today and have a good attitude
and do the best you can. And so that's the
premise of the book that I hope everybody gets from
it when they read it. And then our foundation, Man,
it's really been fun since since I've been since I
got fired, that I've had so much more time. And
(13:02):
you know, out of that came the Banquet of Blessings
and we actually had a last night play. We served
a thousand people in downtown Athens. It was so cool.
We busting a bunch of the homeless from the shelters
around and everybody came in and every single person got
served at absolute ceased throw down dessert, coffee, the whole nine.
And then everybody that was there got to go through
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a line and they got a brand new coat and
a scarf and mittens and gloves and socks and all
like kid's books and they got hygiene packs and book
backs for them, book backs for their kids. So it
was just it's a cool thing that we've seen with
our community. Man, there's a lot of people out there
that are in some bad spots and we're trying to
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help out as much as we can because we know we're,
for one, you know, decision away from being in there,
and so I think that's what we're trying to do
in the Athens communities kind of meet a bunch of
these kids and these families where they're at and try
to help them.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You just mentioned something there that's important. I've been fired
several times. I imagine a lot of people out there
have been fired as well. What was that like for you?
And what you just said that there is a blessing
sometimes that comes with being fired. I think it's an
important message, particularly in Thanksgiving time where so many people
are worried and you have a job and then you
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have that moment where suddenly you don't What was that
like for you?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think the first reaction is always like oh my gosh, like,
oh crap, what am I going to do next? And
I think first reaction is usually kind of a fight,
you know, a fight or flight mentality, and you figure
out like what do I need to do? But the
thing it's done for me is it's been really cool
because you know, you kind of get on a bike
in life and you just start riding and then I
think a lot of times you ride and you end
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up down the road, you know, twenty five minutes, and
then twenty five minutes turns into twenty five years, you know,
doing the same thing, and you kind of forget about
the art of the possible. And that's what's been really
cool to me. It's just a dream Clay. If you'd
have told me I was an author, I have slapped you.
I've been like, absolutely hot. I am not sitting down.
(15:04):
I'm a I'm a dumb defensive player. I'm not sitting
down and concentrating enough to do that. And so that's
been fun. And then speaking and just you know, coaching
high school football, coaching I coach girls harsh high school
varsity basketball, like women's it's fantastic, it's unbelievable. And so
I think what's cool is you get a chance to
really assess when you get fired, what brings me joy, Like,
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what really wakes me up man and excites me? And
if you can find something like that, I think that's
where that's where God wants you to be, Like, find
those find those avenues in those areas that excite you.
And sometimes it's not always going to be where the
money is. And a lot of people are gonna look
at that and that's not success. But but I would
argue differently. Man, When you when you really feel good
about what you do and you get to pay bills
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and you get to pursue something that you know fills
your tank, I think it's really fun. And that's that's
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Same to you, David Pollock. That enthusiasm contagious.
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Speaker 2 (17:32):
We'll also talk the big dismissal news as Jacksmith acknowledges
that the entire Lawfair scheme was designed to influence the
election by deciding that he is going to drop all
charges as soon as Trump won the election. We'll talk
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Speaker 2 (19:07):
Buck is out with his family for Thanksgiving week. I'll
be with you the rest of today and tomorrow solo.
Julie Kelly about to join me, But if you happen
to be watching NBC. About an hour ago, they broke
into programming with this announcement.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Listen, this is an NBC News special report. Here's Lester
holt Go. Today.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
We're coming on the early breaking news about President elect
Donald Trump. The Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith just
filed a motion to dismiss the federal criminal case against
the President elect over his efforts to overturn the twenty
twenty election results. The news comes after NBC News learned
the Justice Department had been planning to wind down its
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federal cases against mister Trump. It also comes as NBC
News learn that's Smith and his team plan to resign
before mister Trump returns to the White House.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
All right, that was in BC.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
We bring in now Julie Kelly, who has been right
on everything on with us for years. Julie, what do
you think before we get into what's coming next? What
do you think so many people out there who were told, oh,
Trump's going to go to prison for the rest of
his life. Oh my goodness, he had no right to
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do any of this. Supreme Court has come out and said, actually,
much of this was occurring within his presidential authority. I
think that's an important precedent that they've set, whether you're
a Democratic, Republican or independent. And now Jack Smith is
like a rat on a sinking ship that's scurrying to
try to get on a lifeboat. I mean, this is
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pretty extraordinary to see all of this just come spiraling
down around him.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
What happens next?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
It really is Clay. I mean, we could not have
and a better ending to this story and the years
that we have discussed the January sixth prosecution. Of course,
two years of covering Special Counsel Jack Smith. What a
humiliating end deserving end, of course, we have to say
for Jack Smith and his team of prosecutorial thugs in
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Florida and in Washington. But let's pause for a moment
that NBC News broke into programming. This is the sort
of stuff that used to be reserved for, like you know,
if a president was shot or we went to war,
not because a corrupt prosecutor was forced to drop a
week fourcount indictment against the former and incoming president. If
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this reflects the media's obsession with this and how much
it means to them, how devastating it is to the
regime media and Democrats that this is over. So again,
Jack Smith today filing in Washington dropping dismissing the FORETN
indictment against the president related to the events of January sixth.
In July, judging Leen Cannon already dismissed that indictment and
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that jurisdiction for you know, the alleged classified documents case.
So now both of these cases are dead letters for now.
I have to note that in his last dirty trick,
Jack Smith moved to dismiss the Washington case without prejudice.
That means Clay, you know this as an attorney. That
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means they sort of reserve it. They kind of you know,
dismiss it, but somebody could bring it back to life later.
If you dismiss it with prejudice, it means it's overdone.
No one can recescocate the case. So he's still trying
to cling to the belief that this week four account
indictment that was gutted by the Supreme Court after its
community growing in July somehow is still legitimate. And oh,
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except for the fact that he was elected, we would
have moved forward with us and won. He would not have.
So now it's time to turn the tables. As we've
talked about, Jack Smith and his team must be investigated,
and this must happen, must happen by a COMCYOJ and
Republicans in the House and Senate. You need accountability for
what has been done here, for the lives that have
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been told to the American people, and to make sure
that these bad actors are held accountable and so this
never happens again to a Republican or a Democrat President.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Julie, I think it's important now that the full accounting
from twenty twenty four to three weeks later is done
to remember what was the impetus behind much of these
charges was a belief that Joe Biden didn't get eighty
one million legal votes. Now that we have seen twenty
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sixteen and twenty twenty and twenty twenty four in their totality,
Kamala got seven million less votes than Joe Biden did.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Does the math add up to you.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I'm telling everybody out there today, the math doesn't add
up to me. Does anybody actually still believe that Joe
Biden got eighty one million legitimate votes?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I mean, I think Joe Biden knows so his.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Brain doesn't his brain doesn't work. But I mean, I mean, Julie,
like I wanted to withhold is. I wanted to see
what happened in twenty twenty four, and I wanted to
see the full tally. I didn't want to jump out
the day after and be like, oh, Kamla got eleven
million less votes or whatever the taally was. We got
three weeks of counting, she's going to be seven million behind.
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I think a big part of this is suddenly I
think people are going to be able to put their
heads up and say, yeah, I don't know that the
math adds.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
Up here absolutely correct. And I think that graph that
was going around a few days after election day was
really shocking and illuminating, you know, the bar graph as
to what the vote totals were in twenty sixteen, then
this huge fight in twenty twenty for Democrats, then sort
of returning back to normal. So this is why Donald
Trump said last week that he will fight everyone Jack
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Smith and his team, who is already already said they're
going to resign before Donald Trump takes office. But he
also will deploy resources in the DOJ to investigate the
twenty twenty election and all again play the lies that
we were told by everyone from Attorney General Bill Barr
at the time to then the Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Roseman,
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top DOJ and FBI officials who insist there was no
evidence of voting fraud and furthermore claimed that they had
conducted investigations when we later found out there was no
DOJ investigations into this these various states and voting frauds.
So I think that given the results of twenty twenty four,
it is fair for the president now to look into
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really what happened because we strongly believe the election was stolen.
We see what has happened to our country in the
wake of Biden's stolen presidential election, and again we are
entitled to the truth one way or the other. We
just want to know exactly what happened, what didn't happen
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to just like the Jacksmith, make sure it does not
happen again.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
What should happen to Jack Smith.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Well, first of all, I implore Charles Grassley, the incoming
Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, to send a letter directly to
Jack Smith and his team telling them not to leave
the country. As we've talked about play, Jack Smith and
one of his prosecutors, David Harbach, were at the Hague
overseeing criminal prosecution of the Kosovo former Kosovo president on
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war crimes. There are rumors that he plans to resign
and then quickly return to the Hague. He should not
leave the country, and I think that's something that Charles
grass Leave, the Senator from Iowa, needs to warn Jack
Smith and his team not to leave because they need
a full blown investigation into the Special Council's office. What
I reported, what happened in the Florida case, specifically campering
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with evidence, destruction of evidence, obstructing investigations, threatening witnesses and lawyers,
which is what Jay Brett did, and proven conspiracy clay
between the National Archives DJ and the Biden White House
to concoct some sort of documents case against Donald Trump
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as early as the spring of twenty twenty one. We
saw the records, We saw the correspondence between those three entities,
and the idea that Joe Biden's White House is somehow
insulated from the two unprecedented criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump
just does not match the evidence and even some of
Joe Biden's own public statements. So there is a lot
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to dig into here. And you know, it's very tough
for prosecutors to go after prosecutors. But that's not what
Jack Smith was. He was a dirty Democratic operative. This
guy is the biggest loser indj history. Supreme Court Unana,
we overturn his political conviction of Bob McDonald and his wife.
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He did not get a single conviction in the first
prosecution of Senator Bob Menandez. He did not get a
conviction of Senator John Edwards. He was rebuked by the
Supreme Court three times this year in the community ruling
Fisher ruling on fifteen twelve QWO and the Supreme Court
rejecting his emergency appeal to bypass the DC Circuit Court
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on community ruling and take up that question immediately so
they could try to push that case to trial in
Washington before the election. He is a loser. Is a
rogue Democrat operative disguised as a federal prosecutor, and he
must be fully investigated and yes, probably likely face criminal
charges of his own.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
If that all happens.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It also then implicates, as you just laid out all
of the prosecution of the January sixth defendants, you've covered
these individuals better than almost anyone in the country. Donald
Trump may have already asked you, but a lot of
his staff listens to this show. Obviously, what should happen
in your opinion with the January sixth defendants? Should it
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be uniform action? Do you think there are some people
that aren't worthy of clemency from the president? What would
you suggest?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I would say, and I reject the idea that this
needs to be a case by case review. I think
for a handful of defendants number one, who have criminal histories,
or number two are known informants, confidential human sources as
they're called, which we know there were dozens, perhaps more
than one hundred involved. Most of them were not charged,
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but a handful probably were. They should be exempted from
pardons or communications. But even those who are accused of
assaulting police, I'm the flimsiest flimsiest conduct, and of course
charges that have never been brought against political protesters in Washington.
They still had to go before one Democrats juries. They
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had to go before unhinged partisan judges, and shouldn't even
say part of them because some of the Republican judges
were worse than the Democrats. This was such a rigged
process that even those accused of violence did not have
their constitutional rights honors to due process for a fair
jury trial before a jury of their peers, where all
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of the evidence was produced to the judge or jury.
We know over and over judges refused to enter into evidence,
exculpatory videos, exculpatory testimonies by even federal agents that would
have exonerated these defendants. It was rigged time after time.
So I strongly support almost a blanket pardon is an
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easy way to say it, but all of them should
should be immune, should be exonerated, should be pardoned, to
be released from prison. You know, we have Enrique Ontario
in jail for twenty two years clay on a seditious
conspiracy conviction. He committed no violence, He wasn't even in Washington,
but because he was the head of the Proud Boys,
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the government sought and received by a Trump judge by
the way, Tim Kelly, twenty two years in a federal prison,
and I'll tell you I talked to Jay six attorney yesterday.
These J six defendants, former Marines, former law enforcements, are
in some of the worst federal prisons in our country.
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Was hardened long time felons, violent salons, murderers, terrorist rapists.
This is where they are being sent to. It is
a travesty at every level. And I don't agree with
the cat dancing. With few exceptions, every single JA sixer
should be pardoned and those who are in prison now
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to be an immediately released from custody.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Julie, keep up the fantastic work. Enjoy maybe a nice
beverage of your choice to celebrate Jack Smith officially being finished.
And I hope that he has to stand and be
held accountable for what he did as well as Mayor Garland.
By the way, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Thanks Gray, have great Thanksgiving you.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Too, Julie Kelly been doing phenomenal work. Glad she could
join us here with that breaking news. Trump officially cleared
of all federal charges in terms of those cases pending.
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from all of us at the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show. David in Canton, Ohio. You think eighty one
million people voted for Joe Biden?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yes, I do, and so I'm not mistaken. Oh good?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So no, No, I was just gonna say so, just
for the data.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Sixty five point eight million people voted for Hillary and
seventy four million voted for Kamala. So Kamala got seven
million less votes than Joe Biden, and Joe Biden got
sixteen million.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
More votes than Hillary. You think those are all legit?
Speaker 6 (34:07):
I do, and I can explain why. Okay, So back
in twenty and sixteen, when Donald Trump gotten in office,
obviously the Democrats didn't like this. So in twenty twenty,
there was a record number of people that came out
to vote because we wanted change. We did not want
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Donald Trump. Whether now I'm a working man and union man,
somebody who's looking forward to my pension, social security, there's
numerous reasons, and I didn't feel that, you know, Donald
Trump was the man for me. So I feel that
record number of people wanted Donald Trump out and that's
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what happened. And let's say that's legitimate. Okay, Joe Biden
gets elected. Now, why did the numbers drop off dramatically
for Kamala Harris? Because you had forty years of a ridiculous,
terrible Democratic Party that was Whether it's true or not,
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and they're giving the the.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So wait, let me ask you this. I get how
did you vote? How did you vote in twenty sixteen?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
I voted for Hillary.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
How did you vote in twenty twenty Biden, how did
you vote in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Kamala?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, so you voted against hold On, but you yourself voted
against Donald Trump three different times. So I disagree with
your votes, but you're consistent. What I am saying is
you think that Joe Biden was an infinitely better candidate
running against Donald Trump than either Hillary or Kamala.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
At the time of voting.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Okay, yes you must.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Okay, So you think that Barack Obama two thousand and
eight twelve million less votes than Joe Biden. Barack Obama
was a shell of the candidate that Joe Biden.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Was because politics have changed drastically in those last eight
to twelve years.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
All Right, thank you for the call. We're finishing the show.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I would just ask, and he thinks it's legit. Hey,
eighty one million. Joe Biden's the most popular president since
George Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
According to guy who just called.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It, Barack Obama, the greatest Democrat candidate of the twenty
first century, got sixty nine and a half million votes
in two thousand and eight. Joe Biden in twenty twenty
beat him by twelve million votes. I'm not Biden, slave
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