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November 29, 2024 40 mins

In this episode, Buck Sexton shares insights on marriage, his new coffee venture, and valuable life lessons. He emphasizes the importance of long-term thinking, the significance of greetings in relationships, and the need to enjoy the journey rather than obsess over achievements. Buck also discusses the evolving perceptions of college choices and the realities of financial success in young adulthood. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's been a full year of the Carol Markowitz Show.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm so happy and honored for every single listener. I'm
also so grateful for iHeartRadio and for the Klay, Travis
and Buck Sexton podcast network for giving me this opportunity.
I didn't know if this show would work. It's not
news of the day, it's not about politics. I described

(00:35):
this podcast as asking political people non political questions, but
it's also a show about living better, learning from other people,
taking good advice. And look, some episodes do veer straight
into politics, and there's just no stopping them. A lot
of people are just used to offering their opinion on

(00:56):
what's going on and are confused when someone asks questions
about them personally. I get that, so we do our
best to keep things not quite politics focused, more personal
here and just to hope for the best. This show
has been doing a million downloads a quarter, and that

(01:17):
is just wild to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I've had people who have been listening to me since.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
The first episode and always offer feedback. I really love that.
I love hearing from listeners in general. I got a
bunch of mail recently about the dating episodes. I love
getting the questions, and I also love getting the advice
that people want to share. If you've got thoughts, drop
me an email Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com.

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K A R O L M A R K O
w I c As and Charlie Zas and Zebra Show
at gmail dot com. For season two of the show,
I've switched up some of the questions based on your suggestions.
I actually switch one question, dropped one question, and kept
one question. I'm no longer asking about our largest cultural problem,

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but more widely what the guest worries about could be
personal or it could be cultural. I've dropped the question
about whether the guest feels like they've made it. I've
added a listener suggested question about advice the guest would
give their sixteen year old self, and I've kept the
last question asking the guests to offer a tip to

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improve the lives of our listeners. Lots of people said
they found that one useful, and I love being useful.
I'm really looking forward to season two of The Carol
mark Wood Show with all of you, Thank you so
much for listening. Coming up next and interview with buck Sexton,
my very first repeat guest.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
He was also my very.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
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Speaker 2 (04:31):
My guest today is.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Buck Sexton of The Clay and Buck Show, and I'm
so happy to have you on.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Buck.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Thank you, Carol. This is exciting.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'm very honored that I was the first guest, and
now the end of year one, I am back here.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
So at least I got I was able to stay
in the roster.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's right, I mean a big deal here.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, you're kicking off season two of The Carol Markowitz
Show on the Clay, Travis and Buck sex podcast Networks.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
So I've loved last year. I've gotten to talk.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
To so many interesting and cool people. I have to
tell you that your interview was the one that gets
mentioned to me the most, and we'll get to that later.
It's the last question that I ask about better living
that so many people are like, you know that interview
with Buck Sexton, Really I started doing what he's ingested.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And again I'll talk about.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
It in a bit, but yeah, people really enjoyed that,
so love having you on. Also, when you were on
a year ago, you were in newlywed. You've now you know,
been married for a long, long, long time. Any marriage insights.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
For us, I'm starting off. Wow, we're going right into.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
It, right into it. Yeah, you know, people love to
hear about this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You know, Honestly, the nothing about it has been a
surprise to me. And I think part of it is
everybody has the model for what they think marriage will
be like that is just ingrained in their subconscious from
their own parents, right, And you know, maybe there's things
to learn, not just things to emulate. But and I

(06:10):
have parents who have been married now oh my god,
forty Oh I'm trying to do the mathem I had
forty six years I think.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And they are the cutest couple ever.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You Yeah, but my parents are married a long time,
so you know, I had a sense of it from that.
I would say that advice that I would relay that
was pure marriage advice.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
That I got early on in the whole process was how.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You greet people really does matter, and it is memorable
and sets sort of the tone for the rest of
the conversation or the rest of the interaction.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
But so you know, when your spouse comes home, or
you come home to your spouse, it's.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
A kiss, a hug, a hug, and a kid. I
love you, I'm excited to see you. You know, what
are we doing now?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
In the couch you can talk, not coming in on
the phone like you know, doing this, you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Like you come in.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
The greeting matters and I find that that and we
and we both have a you know, we we agreed
on that kind of early on, like when we talked
about this, and when we're getting married, we're like, oh,
that's really good advice.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
We were given to pre Kano, which is what Catholics do.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't know if you're no, I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, it's sort of a Catholic marriage.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I know about the yeah right, yeah, yeah, but it's.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
A Catholic marriage preparation opponent, you know that you're supposed
to do before get married to churches. We did, uh,
and it was the I was some of the best
advice that we got on it.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
So that's that's that was really good.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, that really has put us in good stead
and I just I don't know, I can't just overstate
the benefits of it. And by the way, it's true
for friends too. You know, it's true for other people
in your life when you see people. I mean, you
don't have to like hug and kiss everybody. That wouldn't
be appropriate.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
But yeah, well great, but I feel like you are.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, you're always like heyy,
and you know, very very warm, and I think, yeah,
I always feel very welcomed by Buck Sexton.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, my family are huge, like my mom and dad
argue over who's the bigger Carol Markowitz fan work, and
so you know, we are very excited and our group
of friends Carol it's like this, it's like the celebrity
has arrived that ever.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
So it's very excited.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's such a lie, you know, I think that that's
really sweet though. I'm a huge fan of all the Sextons.
And actually I wanted to talk to you about you
and your brother and Clay have started a coffee company
and I'm actually your.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Coffee company's biggest fan. I really am go ahead and.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Thinking right now.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
My my manager, Craig knew that I was going to
be out in La where I am right now, which
why I kind of and he knew that I forgot
to bring my own I didn't bring my coffee bag,
but he lives here.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
So so he has it at his house. So he
brought nice dot com in for me. You drink it, Yeah,
I love.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
It well, So I think I've told you this, But
I was a instant coffee drinker. It was just it
was like no coffee was good enough to like not
just mix it in a cup and go on about
my day. And I have become And you know this
is not sponsored in any way. I just I love
Krackett coffee. I think it's so good and just it's

(09:26):
worth it to me to brew up a pot of
it and get my days started with it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I've just never felt like that about a coffee before.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I've been like, it's fine, it's fine, but how much
better is it than instant? Really?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Mason searched for many months to find the right people
to work with on the roasting and the and the
packaging side, and sourcing the right beans and using the
right blend. So he'll be very happy to hear this,
because I think people just think, like, oh, you just.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Find someone great?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Is it ording coffee beans, because obviously we don't have
a coffee domestic coffee production in the US.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
And that No, it's actually really hard to find something
good who wants to work with you.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's that was the first part of the process. So
I'm so glad we got a cracker coffee drinker that
makes Yeah. Actually, it's been fascinating after a decade of
being in the radio business as a talent who has
to speak about products, now to be a product owner,
I mean co owned, playing with Mason and trying to
go at it from the other side of the table.

(10:27):
It's like you see a lot of you know you
you obviously see things differently. You see the challenges of
how you you want to work with people, but you
have to make sure that it's a business and not
you're not hobby.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
But part of it is having an alternative product to
kind of the mainstream products that we assume we're spending
all of our cash on leftist causes, right, that's.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Definitely what we own.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
It's funny. I'm actually giving.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
I'm doing Bill Maher show tonight and I'm giving I mean,
my honorarium.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
It's you know, it's not I don't know if oh
my god, it's or how much. It's not not a
lot of money. It's a nice check.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I'm giving the Tunnel the Towers Foundation. I mean, I
just I think that they do such amazing work. And
it's interesting me because it's like a lot of people
on the right like that charity, but to me, it
is a totally American charity. It is not it is
not partisan in any way. But it helps heroes, first responders, military,

(11:25):
their families. And ten percent of profits from Crockett goes
to that. So you want Rocket to be one hundred
million dollar company and be able to send a ten
million dollar check, you know, it's amazing from this, we
want to be able to send a ten million dollar
check to Tunnel the Towers every year. I mean, that's
that's like our vision, that's our goal.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
So one of the new questions that I have for
season two of The Carol Markowitz Show is and you know,
I had listeners suggest the questions and then I picked
my favorites. One question will stay from last season, but
two new ones. The new question is what advice would
you give a sixteen year old buck Sexton to yourself
at sixteen?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think that the best advice that I could give
to a sixteen year old version.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Well, so there's the advice that I would give myself
yourself yourself.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
And then there's the advice that I would give sort
of sixteen year olds, or broadly because I was a
little bit unusual for a sixteen year old and some respects.
That may not be a shock to people who are
familiar with me or my work or whatever, but and
maybe it's actually more and more one and the same.
I think it'd be good for me to hear it,
which is, you just want to take a long view.

(12:35):
When you're sixteen, a long view, right when when you're
fifty a long view is like, I don't know, like years,
twenty years, you know, when you're my age, when you're forties,
it's like and I'm middle age.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
When you're sixteen, you want to take what you think
of as a long view on just everything, just everything
that you possibly like, just the I think the biggest track.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's so tough to do. It's so hard it's seen.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah, no one told me that the biggest traps are you.
Are you popular at sixteen? Nobody cares? Are you considered
smart at sixteen? Nobody cares?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Are you considered you know, good looking or attractive at sixteen? Like,
no one really cares until you get into your twenties
and thirties. Nothing is going to be meaningful to your life. Really,
I'm talking about personal growth stops right. No one at
sixteen is doing the things that they will look back

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on their life and be like, oh, yeah, like that
was really amazing, that was really important.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
So I think you can.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I think that I would tell myself, and I would
tell any sixteen year old. Let you know, lay the
pressure off yourself, take the.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Long taking the long view.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I know it seems like it and it does require
discipline and it takes some sort of foresight, but it
also means you're not even gonna remember this stuff hey
when it matters like, you're not really who you are yet,
and so just enjoy each try to find what you like,
try to get better. You know, calculus is bs, it

(14:07):
doesn't you know what I like?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
This is, but this is teenagers listening. Do not listen
to him. It's very important.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
This is the point. If you're good at calculus and
you want to be pushing in these directions, great, then
that's an area for you. But you will not use
some of these things in your life. Don't stress out.
I'm not saying don't do your homework. Yeah, it doesn't
matter in any meaning.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Kids put so much stress. I'll give you another one.
Go to college where you want to go to college.
I went to Amherst, which in some of the like college,
there's university rankings, which is always like harm, I don't
know those college rankings.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Amherst is routinely for the colleges a top five school something.
You know, it's Williams, amhers Swathmore.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Those tend to be the ones that are kind of
always trading off whatever I wish I had gone somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Honestly, where do you wish you would?

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Man, I probably would have. I mean I almost went
to like Georgetown was the one that I was so close.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I went where I thought it was more academically rigorous,
without even really knowing what that meant. Instead of what
do I think I'm going to enjoy my time more
and have and it fits in with my conception of
how I want to spend my day to day as
an eighteen, nineteen twenty year old.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
So, look, I had a good time at Emerson. I'm
not like, I'm not anti yes, sure, but I just mean,
you know, try to take the longer view. Understand that
a lot of things that stress you out at sixteen
are truly meaningless.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Were you hard on yourself when you were sixteen?

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Absolutely that this is coming across here, Okay, I just
I'm not sure kids are hard on themselves anymore. I
don't know that that's still maybe I don't have a
six My oldest is fourteen. When no, we'll see what happens.
But they seem like they you know, self esteem is
really stressed in schools, so they seem like they're doing okay.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I mean so again I was in school. What I mean,
I was.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
We're still going back over thirty years now that when
I was sixteen, which makes me feel really old, even
though a lot of people watching this on video at
least will be like.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
He looks like he's twenty five. You really do, which
is fair? Which is I don't know what to say.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
I mean, it's you know, I'm forty gonna be forty three,
but but no, I yes, I look, that's the thing.
That's what I mean though, Like there's what I would
give advice to myself versus what I would sort of
how I advise other people who are sixteen but on
the college front, for example, And I tell you know,
we have some great neighbors Carrie and I do where
we live in in Miami, and become very friendly with them,

(16:30):
and they've got kids who are, you know, fourteen.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Sixteen around that age group. And the parents ask me
because I don't know, some people think I'm kind of wise.
I know, yeah you are, thank you, and they last
me things.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And I'll just say the When I was in school,
the ranking of your college was like it's either you're
going to go work at Goldman and make millions and
have an awesome life and be you know, just hugging
your beautiful wife on the beach and Southampton and every
or not right based on where you go school. But

(17:03):
I've learned as I've become an adult who actually has
seen life is I mean, I know schmucks who went
to Harvard, I know super stars who went to community college,
like it's just not this or some rough sorting of
academic ability that goes on, but it doesn't really you're
seeing this, by the way, with the huge surge in interest.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
In SEC schools. Oh yeah, don't tell Clay this.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
But like twenty years ago, if you were a good
student in New York City or I'm sure La and
some of the you know, Boston, you were not going.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
To an SEC. If you went to an SEC school
from New York against you went wrong? Yeah you you
you were.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
You were like a you were like a screw up
war party and go for That was totally shifting. And
now people are you know, University of Florida is like
an elite school.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Oh yeah, it's hard to get it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, we hope our kids go to a University of Florida.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Right, But you look at these schools in the Southeast,
and I think that's just a function of people realizing
where do I want to be and get a.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Good education, not just like where do I fall on
this list? I mean, one of the funniest things I
could tell anybody who's like, what am I going to
do with my life? And you know, how am I know?

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Where am I going to go with this is of
the people that I knew who were doing backflips because
they got recruited to go work on Wall Street when
they were a twenty two misery, they hated it, and
almost none of them lasted. Almost none of them lasted,
Like I mean, right, I mean, same things for lawyers.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know, I know very few people who got into
like the best law firms that they were so excited
to go to and liked it and stayed it just
it almost never happens.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny because I think
back to this and it's so much about where people
can make money at a young Like everyone wants to
have money at a young age. You have to also remember,
like money as a young single person is very you know,
you have very different needs in very different stresses.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I I enjoyed myself in my twenties and I was
making at the time what would be what was basically
like I think the average American household income, which was
like forty thousand dollars a year, and you know in
New York City, that wasn't you know, I was working
for the government.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
It wasn't a lot of money at all.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I had peers who were like, I just got a
fifty thousand dollars bonus. So I'm like, I just my
my all in. So I had friends in my early
twenties who were making and a lot of them, by
the way, not just like two who were making three
four times as much money as me. Right off the bat,
and again to my point about long term versus short term,
nobody cares, right, nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
You're not like, how much were you making out of college?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Right?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Exactly how much you're making at college doesn't matter. You're
not rich because you made one hundred and sixty grand
one year, and this is your life. The other thing
I've realized is.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Maybe excellent, this is really I love all of this, Like.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Oh really, oh keep going?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, yeah, well as you can say. The other thing
I realized is your goal and achievement. Obsession is a
trap a goal or an achievement that you want, whether
it's to be rich or to be you know, to
have a great physique, or to be super successful.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
In your field.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
That is a guide for how you set up your
day to day life. Your day to day life is
everything right, meaning you want to be you want to
be in a position where you are growing, where you
are enjoying yourself, where you are challenged, but you are
comfortable enough that you can have moments of happiness. And

(20:38):
you want to set up that matrix of your day
to day. And so this is kind of the.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Anti I want to go work at. I was gonna
say Lehman Brothers, but that was my day, right.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
People are like, I want to go work with Lehman Brothers,
but not so much. Yeah, not so much anymore. But
you know, okay, do you want to spend a few
years of your twenties? For some people, the answer is yes,
do you want to send a few years of your
twenties legitimate working eighty hours a week gaining By the way,
for the women who did it that I knew they
all of course, because you're at a desk and you're
eating like crap Chinese takeout food, right, like, you know,

(21:09):
gaining weight, not getting sunlight whatever, so you can you know,
make six figures when you're this stuff does not matter.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
We'll be right back with more from Buck Sexton.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
And it could all fall apart so fast, I mean,
you're leaving.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Example is a very good one, and we just watched
anchorment not Inchorman. We watched Telladega Nights with the kids recently,
and the guy in the movies like, oh, I want
to get in on this Haliburton stock. You know, it
just it could all end tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
It doesn't last forever anyway. And yeah, if you're living
that way at twenty two, you're probably.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Doing it wrong.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's funny, you know, Carol, there was this, I really
would say a year ago there was this peak of
these podcasts and they're all it's extra points if you
have a British accent, right, that means you're smarter on
a podcast for sure. Right, I have a question to
ask you, But they would have you know, they'd talk
to all these different uh you know, alpha CEO guys

(22:07):
when they would ask them.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
And this is true, I've heard that.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I mean I could think of like ten different podcasts
where there's been a version of this same moment. You know,
they asked some guy who's made you know, five hundred
million dollars two billion whatever it is, right, like astronomical
riches and run some huge company or built some huge company.
They say like, what what do you think about and
what are you most proud of and you know, you
know what they all say, family, my family. Yeah, and

(22:32):
if they have a regret, you know what the regret is.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well, not enough time with my family to amit. And
so obvious.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
It's so obvious.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
And this is great for people to hear though, because
this is what I mean about your day to day.
It's like, you know, I mean, I turned around the
other day and I and I told Carrie, uh, who's
my wife or anyone in the audience who doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
It was just wonderful, thank you. She is really great.
She's really great. And and I I turned on we're
talking to something.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I don't even know how it came up, but we've
out like some friend of mine or some guy I know,
like just that you know just actually is like a
friend of a friend. And we were like, well, like
that guy's you know guys, I didn't know he sold
this company for like three hundred million dollars and and
you know he's got all these fancy cars and all these.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Houses and everything. Can I turn around.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's like, honestly, if I swear to you, if we
had a billion dollars tomorrow, I wouldn't get a different.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Car, right, happy with the car we live in. Yeah,
I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
I would like, I'm there's like, what there is a
level where yahminished returns you have what you need and
I mean to me, it's just kind of funny when
I hear people that have and because because again this
is about like the goal and the short term long term,
h you have this idea that oh, if I get
to and this is what I mean by the goal,
can become the enemy of what matters, which is your

(23:46):
day to day life. I'm going to mortgage my twenties,
thirties and maybe even my forties so that I can
be a tech a tech billionaire, right Like, let's say
that's your mindset. And I don't know, I've come across
a lot of younger people who that's really and even
more than that, by the way, it's I want to
be a YouTube star.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh yeah, that's the definitely the hot thing right now.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
I want to make thirty three.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well, okay, you know you're going to spend a lot
of time making content.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Do you like making content? You're going to have people
that don't like what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
It's going to be frustrating, It's going to take years
you know, you're you're also taking a risk of not
of not doing other things, learning other things that you
have to take a I think a broad spectrum view
of what you're doing. But if that makes you miserable,
even if you wake up at forty or forty five
and now you do have whatever it is, like you

(24:38):
do have the million dollars of stock in the Lamborghini,
you know, or you have ten million followers on YouTube
or something?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Were you happy to get there?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Was it? Happiness?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Is?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
This is all so deep too?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Like yeah, this is you know, I think that you
might not be and I think people think that they
automatically will be.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yes this, But this is what I mean by people
I'll be happy when you know people call it. I
think people call like if then thinking or when if
thinking or whatever. It's you know, if I get this,
everything will be worth it. If I achieve the following thing,
all the sacrifices look to get places, you have to

(25:17):
make sacrifices.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Like one of the things I tell people media now is.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
If I knew how hard it would be to get
to a place where I am happy and comfortable with
my media career when I started it, I probably would
have gone and taken a job like McKenzie or something,
you know what I mean, Like I actually got on
this like escalator. It was kind of like once you're
on it, you're in it. You just kept going. But

(25:41):
if I knew what it was actually going to require,
you know, I mean, I've managed to make a career
in conservative media. I've never been paid a dollar by
Fox News in my life.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Now that's fine, pretty unusual.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's fine, But you know, but I just bring up,
like if you told me that when I started, I
forget it right, I'm never going to make a dollar
from Fox ever. Like they're never going to literally pay me.
It's not a contributor or anything. I can't make a
living doing this. Well it turns out I can. But
you know, this is what I mean by I liked

(26:12):
even when stuff was crappy and I was doing a
lot for free, this game that you and I are.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
In, this which I actually think is a kind of
a thing of this thing that we do.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
I like it the dealingites when I was getting abused
at CNN on air, not because you know they're so
good at arguing, but because you know, it's just like ah,
like chickens.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
You know, squawking at you all once it's a mess.
I was like, yeah, but I like, this is the
fight I want.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
To be in, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
And that and that's really And it wasn't if I
take this abuse one day, I'll have my own show
at CNN or something. It was just like, I like
this right now, and I think I'm good at it,
and so I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Totally.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
I think that for younger people thinking about what they want.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
To do, do that it's not just people say pursue
your passion.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
No no, no, no, no no no, Like there are lots
of things.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
There was a time when I was passionate about video games,
but like, how make a living playing video games?

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Although now you never know, really nobody would watch you
play video games.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's like a money making thing now, so.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Well yeah, so that's my My thing is is if
you really want to want to be where you want
to be in life.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
And I see this across all my friends, all my colleagues,
what is your day to day? You know, do you
enjoy it? Do you find it productive? Do you find
it meaningful?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So the second question of my at one point no, No,
that was one question. Yeah, like we got to get
to like right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
My second, my second new question is what do you
worry about? Which I think goes well with this because
you know, I think that you have to worry about something,
and so what is it you mean, as an individual
or as an individual?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
What does what does book Sexton worry about? And it
could be anything.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
My question last season was what do you think is
our largest cultural problem?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
So it could be cultural or it could be you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I definitely worry about my kids or different different things
on different days.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
But I worry about what I call mass delusion.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
So I worry about groups of people becoming deeply convinced
of things and mobilized behind things that are not only untrue,
but often anti true or sort of divorced from reality.
I think that is the biggest threat that human beings face.

(28:41):
I think that is the biggest challenge that we have,
and I mean I could go through. I mean, I
think all totalitarianisms, for example, are founded on delusional principles
of universal control and absolute power, which is just it's
not this is contrary to human nature, it's contrary to existence. Right,
So All of the worst things involve large groups becoming

(29:04):
certain that something is true when it is untrue. COVID
obviously is a huge example of that.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I was gonna say, I think we just had a
real good example of that not too long ago.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
And I think that this is this is what really
concerns me because also the ability to shape perception now
at scale, meaning you know, hundreds of millions.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Of people you couldn't even you know, Yeah, there's like
the printing press.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
And then there's radio, and then there's these ways that
mass media have developed over the last hundred years. But
what we're in now is we alternate an alternate reality
of what is public consensus can be constructed very rapidly,
and by the time people even realize what's going on.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
I think enormous damage can be done. I mean, I
do think COVID was, yeah, it's scary, a perfect example
of that. But I think there are other examples of
it too.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I mean think that the narrative that Donald Trump is
is hitler while we're coaling to it because it's so stupid.
This is really this is really bad. This is it's
bad because there are people who believe this stuff and
they that then they're kind of numb to all the
other arguments, facts, data, and discussion that I think can

(30:25):
lead to.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
We end up arguing, you know, let's get rid of
the First Amendment because of what if you say something
positive about Donald Trump on social media? You know, they
end up having to go down this rabbit hole where
it has to support their delusion, and that.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Affects all of us.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
So yeah, and I think we are also all kind
of becoming. I mean I used to love I mean,
you know, I did growing up. I read a lot,
but I watched a lot of particularly like HBO, and
like I love watching all.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I watched all these action.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Movies that were like made with small budgets and we're
not good, you know, Like I was a Dolph Lungdren fan.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
And I don't mean Rocky four. I mean it's tougher,
Like nobody.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Saw that showed out sweet he.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Plays the Russian Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, that's
all I mean. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, that is a thing that we used to watch
in these bad movies where it's like a human but
has like a chip in the brain and maybe some
metallic thing. And terminator is obviously the biggest example of this.
But like cyborgs is a big thing in the eighties
and nineties, we're all becoming these kind of human machine
hybrids where our in for like, we have access to
endless information, but we're also constantly being influenced by what's

(31:37):
really almost a second brain. Like you've never you know before,
if you wanted to find out a fact, if you
weren't encyclopedia, what are your Encyclopedia Britannica, And like, oh,
like is that really the like is the toad sloth really?
But you know, it's amazing on the one hand, but
on the other hand that you have all this information access,
but you also are so reliant on these machines now

(31:59):
that they are process they are creating our version of
reality in ways.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
When somebody's like googled something and then they're like read
a book, you know, you just know they just learned this.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Information five seconds ago.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Like when you see Twitter, like everybody become you know,
experts on whatever the latest thing is, Like, oh, it's it.
I've always known about this, this was like this and
and the fact that you believe that is evidence that
you're stupid. We see that all the time, and that
is like they're they're part they think that that's part
of them. Their Google process is the information that they have.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's also amazing. I went to a bookstore here in
La looking for a hard to find book on.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Ivan Ory von Pavlov for yeah right now.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
But anyway, they said they had it, they actually didn't
because it was so rare, like they hadn't even updated that.
The one copy they had a long time ago was gone.
So I'm like, of course, right, like you know, I'm like, oh,
I found that, but I went in there was I
was interesting. I'm a big fan of tactile books, like
physical hardtop.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
I think everyone should have them in their home.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I think children should grow up reading still books, not kindles.
Not I read, that's fine, but you should have books
should be a part of it. There is something about
a physical It is an unbeatable technology for what it
is in some ways, having having books occupy physical space,
having uh you know, the cover design, and having in

(33:28):
your hands and that experience of I am reading and
it's not just green screens is all fast screens is
something else. I think it's really important. But it was
funny being in this bookstore because I mean, I am
in La to be fair, I look around. I'm like,
I'm looking at all these books. I'm like, has a white
guy ever written a book? Is there a white male

(33:48):
who has written a book? Because walking around this store,
I don't think so that's interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, and the Pavlove book obviously was written by a
white guy, but they don't have it anymore.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Nope, Yeah, there was that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So the last time you were on, I end all
my shows with the question of leave my listeners with
the tip for them to improve their lives, and your
tip it wasn't then a groundbreaking tip. Sorry to say that,
but it was read before bed.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I think that. I mean I always read before bed.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I kind of fell off of that a little bit
when I got married, but I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm trying to get back to not scrolling before bed.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
But a lot of people wrote to me and said
that it really did change things for them. Just the
decision to read before bed instead of getting on your
phone made a difference. So do you have a new
tip for us, You want to end us with a
new tip or do you want to reinforce.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
The last one?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well, I mean I have to double down on the
read before bed is a fabulous and that actually I do.
That's where actually a kindle for me because if you
want to have the low light setting and everything, that's
you know.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
So there's a play. I love my kindle. I'm not
like anti it, but I just also believe in physical.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Books, and I believe that people should have a bookshelf
in the home and that there should be books that
they have both want to read and have read that
are on that shelf, and the children should be familiar
with it. I did grow up surrounded by books and
bookshelves in New York, so I think that was interesting.
It worked well for me, so I'll tell you this one. Actually, man,

(35:19):
I'm trying to pick.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
I have a few way I can't believe.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
No.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I know, we were like it's like fifteen minutes over it,
but that's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
No one really ever asked me my opinion on anything.
So this is such a new theck. It's always just like,
tell us what's going on in the news.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I to say that I get a lot of that
here because I get people on and they're like ready
to talk about Donald Trump or something, and then I'm like, so,
you know, what kind of advice.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Do you have for people? And they're like, wait me,
what you know?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, it's funny because I would actually love to like
both share and exchange insights with people out there more broadly.
But what I find is I actually get people who
are who are almost like taken aback by, like excuse me,
like we we how is Trump going to be calm.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
On this election? Like stay focused? But but won't I'm
not allowed with some.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
People come back anytime and you share all the thoughts
that you have, all.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Right, So can I can I kind of cheat and
give you a variant of the one I gave you
last year and then a totally new one.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
So I'm kind of it's.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Your podcast network. You do whatever you want.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
That's very kind of you, all right.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
So the one thing I would tack on, because this
gets me heat and I'm not even going to explain,
get the TV out of your bedroom. Get the TV
out of your bedroom. I'm not anti TV. I love
great shows, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Get it out of your bedroom. People, good old like
you're a newly wed, that's what I'm like, Well, you
know what I mean, Yeah, I know what you mean.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
But what you mean, get the TV out of your
bedroom full stop. Don't argue with me, just do it.
Move it to another room. Don't have a TV in
your bedroom. But the advice piece that I will give
because I'm tacking that onto part one of the.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Reading for you to bed.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Uh, and you're gonna disagree with me on this when Carol,
oh really, Oh, I love that.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
You're gonna you're I might, I might trigger Carol Markowitz
on her own.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Comfortable footwear, it is, I mean, life changing. I do not.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Understand men and women wearing shoes that hurt their feet.
It SAPs your energy, It puts you in a bad mood.
It over the long term, it causes all kinds of
foot distortions.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Have you discussed this with Jesse Kelly. He's super into me.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
I lovels. This is where he is so wrong. He
is he is like, yeah, a whole other stratosphere of wrong.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
He got into my car and I had flats like
in the passengers, you know, on the floor of the
passenger seat, and he was like flats and I was like, no, no, Jesse,
only for driving, because.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I love heels. I love hot shoes. I hear you,
I really do.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I wear sneakers sometimes running around, you know, during the
day with my kids and stuff. But for nights out,
I love hot shoes and you cannot stop me.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So see, all right, I can't convince Carol. But to
the rescue listing, there there are happy mediums. You want
to have comfortable feet the uh. I mean, one one
of my experiences in New York that I lived through
so many times before I got married was I'd be
on a date and it was going, well, you know,
you're a dinner. Usually you throw the standard in New
York as your dinner and then you can drinks efforts
because you could walk across the street or you know,

(38:29):
it's New York right there.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I mean, I know you know this, but for people listening, uh,
and they'd be like, like, we.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Take this AXI and I'd be like, we're gonna go
three blocks, Like we're gonna be three.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Blocks, okay, fair, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
But I also I have like shoes that I go
out in that I know are gonna be sitting shoes.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Like I'm not walking into three blocks. I'm not walking anywhere.
I'm walking from the.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Car to dinner where I'll be sitting and then I'll
get back in the car when I know I have
to walk a little bit. I have comfortable heels that
I could walk in and I have and you know,
I yes, I reject your whole premise here, and you would.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
I knew she would.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
She has an amazing shoe collection, and I get it.
And I'm you know, and I know, especially with some
of the women. But I mean, I see women walking
around on these, like the stilts that they have, and
I said, and I'm like, I mean, look, I know
it looks nice is and lerogants to it, But okay, fine,
if you're at like a you know, if you're like
a block tie gala or a wedding or something, I

(39:32):
get it. But for me, fancy shoes is the way
I feel about neck ties only if I absolutely.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Have to, only silly. But no shoes are you know.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
We're gonna bring We're gonna bring Jesse Kelly on to
debate this with you and.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Tell you tell that let lanky son of a gun
anytime he wants to have the shoe throwdown, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
He's Buck Sexton, Clay Travis and Buck Section Show. Check
them out every day.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
They're so amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
You're awesome, Buck, Thank you so much for having for
coming on, for having this show on your network.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I really appreciate you brats on the podcast. By the way,
it is doing great and.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I know pretty us you see my internal numbers.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Yeah, congratulation. A lot of people listen. Very good stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Thank you, Buck, Thank you, thanks so much for joining
us on the Carol Marco which show. Subscribe wherever you
get your podcasts.

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