November 29, 2024 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,
Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
A lot to discuss with you, particularly on the criminal
justice front. Let me tell you that if there is
a theme I can throw out for all of you today,
it would be if this was a we had law,
jurorsprudence and social thought was our pre law department at Ambers.
We could have started out the day or the class
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today with what is justice exactly?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Question mark?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Because you have a couple of things all coming together,
the Daniel Penny trial, which I want to get into
some detail with you on an update on Jesse Smolette.
That's right, friends, and it is not a good one
for those who believe in justice and sanity. And then
also the continued freak out over Matt Gates as the
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would be Attorney General of the Trump administration to this
day I will throw out, to this day, despite all
the things, never charged with any crime of any kind,
Congressman Gates, isn't that interesting? Maybe they should start the
discussions at least with that. If they were thinking about
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this in legal terms, you would assume, right, we always
have to say alleged, but he's not even really alleged.
Is he, because no one's ever even brought charges.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's just in the ether.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's just rumor, it's just stuff that people have said
to other people, but that no authority has ever actually
decided warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that
that's important to put out there because the way that
all these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you
would think that somehow this had been adjudicated in a
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negative way for Congressman Gates, and that is the opposite
of the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And we like the truth here. So I do want
to start, though, if I.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Can, with these two moments in time, with our justice
system of Daniel Penny and I have the We're going
to do a deep dive, you and me. We're going
to do a deep dive into his initial interrogation, okay,
and how this went and what we now know about
Daniel Penny. And then I will get to what is
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going to be called now by at least Jesse Smollette
and his team, the exoneration of Justse Smollette.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's right, friends, they've overturned.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Overturned that preposterous liars conviction. And I want to get
into why. I want to get into how this happens,
how it undermines our sense that the rule of law
is a real thing in this country, that accountability is
real in this country. Just like with the legal immigration,
the lawlessness all around us builds up and creates a perception,
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creates a broad feeling that this is now just a system,
meaning our league system through which power is exercised instead
of justice, and that includes racial justice, social justice. All
the different forms that they say, no, no, no, there
is only justice. All those other things are politicized versions,
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are political notions. We'll get into this though. Right justice
as a concept, it's either just or it is not.
You don't have to have these modifiers. But there's a
reason why they do that. Let me get back into
Daniel Penny. As you know, part of my story is
I grew up in the worst version of New York
City by the numbers when it comes to violence. That
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was my I grew up in it. I grew up
in a very nice part of that New York City,
but it was still dangerous. There were still thinks people.
I got mugged. Everyone I know is getting mugged. Cars
being broken into, people are being sexually assaulted, and nonprecedented
numbers something like twenty two hundred murders when I'm in
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you know, they call it lower school, right third fourth
grade around there, twenty two hundred murders in New York City.
I mean now the number is, I don't know, between
four to six hundred, depending on the year. Last couple
of decades, twenty two hundred mers. New York City was
a dangerous place, and one of the main reasons for
it was people would keep getting arrested and not actually
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punished in any meaningful way. I've spent eighteen months at
the NYPD Intelligence Division, and so I was riding around
a lot with cops who have been on the job
for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Guess what we did all day? We talked, right, And
that's basically what you do.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know what a stakeout is, hanging out with a
couple of detectives, you know, eating takeout food and like,
why are you know? Surveillance That's what it is, you know,
watching what's going on on the street for hours at
a time. So you learn a lot about I learned
a lot about what they went through, and they would
tell what really sounded like war stories about being in
some of the very difficult precincts, constant shootings, crackec epidemic,
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all this stuff, and finally Giuliani comes in and he
says enough and there's a mandate from the city, from
the people of New York City that we actually just
want to be safe. That's the single most important thing.
And then we lost that because of the vile communist
moron de Blasio, because of the BLM one point zero
and BLM two point zero, and this so called defund
police and racial justice movement all tied in together. Abolish prisons,
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by the way, also a part of this, and it's
all rooted in the demographics of who gets arrested the
most and serves the most prison time in New York
City is very troubling to Democrats because they view it
as something that has to be racially balanced. I don't
view it that way. Any person can commit a crime
and should be held to account. We are all equal
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in the eyes of God and the law, and it
doesn't matter what those numbers end up being. Riker's Island,
the primary prison of New York City is over ninety
percent black and Hispanic. That has been the case as
long as I have been alive.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
That is just the true. That is just the number.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Okay, So they say, well, that's unfair. There must be
a systemic racism. There must be something that is creating
those numbers, and the only way that they should deal
with it then is to have fewer people imprisoned, Abolish prisons,
defund police, less enforcement.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Guess what happens. We've seen what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And in New York City specifically, they've seen this major uptick,
and they'll play games with these numbers. Oh, it's so
much safer than it was in the early nineties. Yeah,
but why are we going backwards? What possible rationale could
there be for a twenty five, a thirty, a forty
percent increase in violent crime in one year in New
York City. It was in' COVID they tried that it
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was a change in political will. Now enter Daniel Penny
and what happened here. I watched the whole interrogation tape.
He is facing right now manslaughter charges in your involuntary
manslaughter charges in New York City, and he's putting up
his defense. I will say, first and foremost, you hear
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this guy, and he's a well intentioned person. He's a
marine he's trying. He views himself because of his training,
because of who he is, because of his code of honor,
which is, by the way, a thing that all men
should have, right, Oh yeah, masculinity, code of honor, These
things should go together. Daniel Penny thinks that it's his
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role to protect women and children on the subway from
a serial felon, a clearly deranged person, a person who
has violently assaulted already numerous people on the subway. Broke
a Asian American woman's eye socket while she was waiting
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for a train, just run up and punched her right in.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
The face, shat at her eye socket.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
How do you think that trip of the hospital was
for her? How do you think that made her day?
How'd that go for her family? Why is this guy
walking around the streets. Oh, you know, social justice can
lock him up?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Why? Wow?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ask the Democrats that one Daniel Penny steps in. Now
here's the mistake from a legal procedure perspective.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And this is.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Very frustrating because I think Daniel Penny, he's a young guy.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know, it's easy for me to sit here.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Former CIA, you know, worked in worked with law enforcement,
worked the federal government, understand how these things go easy
for me to second guess him. I understand though, that
in the moment he's like, I'm just trying to step
in and help. I've got nothing to hide. Well, unfortunately,
the NYPD guys who sit down their job isn't to help.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The good guy the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Their job is to just find the purpse, get all
the information they can, and let the prosecutors make the decision.
They're not on his team. He sat down with them.
This is the interrogation, the eight minute long interrogation, and
they they they very quick established rapport. You had a
former marine sitting with a former marine and they hear
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play this. You can sort of hear this is straight
out I'm not. I mean, this is what detectives do.
This is out of the one oh one playbook. Hey,
we're all buddies here, talk to us without a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Play it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I did a certain Marine corps.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Oh nice, I said, before this nice, what you're doing
was you haveslimore?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I was three fifty one.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I was a whole three thirty one.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Oh cool.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
You get your weapons with two military so I don't
know what that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That's like a language derbitize six marines. Okay, there it
goes very such.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Ninety six to two thousand midloads.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Did my thing and then I ended up getting Now
I got close to twenty two years.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You know, man, good passion. Yeah, man, I.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Go up in Queens as well.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Fast nice nas nice, that's a good Dan.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Anyway, listen to you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So we want to talk to you about what happened today.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
Sure, thank you for staking around being cooperative.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Absolutely, it's a trap and you just see him walking
right into it. And it's not because he's it's not
because he's a dumb guy. It's not because he's a
bad guy. It's because his adrenaline has been going. And
these guys are approaching him in with a sense of
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a kind of friendship tone and oh, I'm a marine,
you're a marine. Then they read him his Miranda rights
right after this. They went through it very clearly. They
made him verbalize, yes you know you can have a lawyer,
Yes you know, you don't have to talk to us yet,
and then he started talking, don't talk to law enforcement
unless you have an attorney present, right, I mean, unless
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you're like complaining about, you know, a neighbor's cat being
allowed to run through your yard or something. You know,
unless it's something very minor, if you're the target of
an investigation or the possible target of an investigation, don't
speak to law enforcement without an attorney present, especially the FBI,
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by the way, and with the NYPD, it's going to
be used against you, as it was here. But with
the FBI, they can say you lied, and then you're
you're facing a one zero zero one charge and they
can give you up the five years for that alone.
That's how they got Martha Stewart, by the way, lying
not insider trading.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I really appreciated.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
The the documentary that came out recently. If you haven't
seen it on Martha Stewart, you know who you know
who made sure she went away. James Comy. James Comy,
he's the one who decided she was going to face
charges for something that wasn't criminal. She actually should be pardoned.
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I know she's a Democrat, I know she voted Kamala.
She should be fully pardoned. And that's not even because
I like Pistachio Kremberley and maybe she has some great
Krimberlay recipes.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Put that aside.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
James Comy showed us who he was with that and
it only got worse with Trump. These detectives have laid
the trap and unfortunately Penny starts to walk into it here.
And it's heartbreaking because this guy's a marine who's trying
to defend, he's trying to protect, he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
The right thing.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Now, I want to work.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I want to walk through the rest of this interrogation
with you. You need to hear these different pieces of it
because this goes to why is this guy being charged again?
What interest of justice does this serve? What is the
expectation that Alvin Bragg's department in New York City, the
District Attorney's office, what is the expectation that they have
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for what you're supposed to be able to subject yourself
to here. I want to talk to you about all
of that and how that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Also ties in with justse Smollett. Esse Smollett.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I know it wasn't I know, no one died. I
know it wasn't the same level of case. But it's
the justice system at work. And oh boy, did we
get to see who gets favoritism in this justice system?
Who gets special treatment. It's not the marine who served
as country it's the disgraceful, cowardly overpaid actor because he's
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friends with Kamala, because he's a DEEI superstar, and the
justice system decided to bail him out entirely. We're going
to talk about this here in just a second.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Clay Travs here.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Welcome back into Clay An Buck. We're talking about the
Daniel Penny caase in New York City, which the whole country,
at least in terms of what's in the news and
the narratives about law and order, is I think paying
attention to now because this is going to be a
case that sets a precedent New York City. And I
say this from the experience of having been on many
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a subway in recent years, although not as much since
I moved to Florida in October of twenty twenty two,
but years before that, or in days before that, on
the subway. Crazy stuff going on, crazy stuff on the
subways on a regular basis, where you're made to feel unsafe.
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And you know, it's one thing for me. I'm six
feet tall, believe it or not, and you know.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Two hundred and ten ish pounds.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Too much, I know, but six feet tall and I'm
a guy, and I have to sit there and think
what am I gonna do if one of these maniacs
puts his hands on me or somebody near me? And
I've told you before one of the challenges is a
prosecutor like Alvin Bragg. If you're a white guy and
you step in and it is on a non white
you know, would be perpetrator or assailant, there's a very
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good chance that they're gonna either hit you with a
hate crime or they're gonna make an example of you.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Be like, oh, but he had aspiration.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
You know, you punched him, but he eats, So what
if he's been arrested twenty times, like he has aspirations
of being being, you know, an astronaut one day or something.
Any of you who haven't read the book Bonfire of
the Vanities, it's Tom Wolfe's best novel in my mind.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
By far. Go read it. You'll see the whole thing,
the whole playbook.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's right there. Daniel Penny had to make that decision himself.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
How am I going to take action here to save
people around me to protect people around me. I do
not believe for one second that Daniel Penny intended, you know,
intended to kill or intended even intense bottling harm against
Jordan Neely. But he also didn't think that he should
wait when somebody says I'm going to kill everybody here,
and the guy looks like a maniac and has and
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has a history. I mean, he does hurt people. This
is a violent felon who's running around hurting people on
the subway. New York refuses to do something about it.
So Jordan Neely steps in, and now he's facing the
ruination of his life, you know, a decade plus in prison.
God knows how long hill action he would actually get
if he's found guilty. And this is Alvin Bragg's version of.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Justice in New York City.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And there's the interrogation tape, which I want to go
back to. First problem I haven't. I'm not trying to
be critical of Daniel Pennig. It's just a teaching moment here.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh yeah, I'm a marine. I'm a marine.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We can trust each other, right, zem for five right,
start talking, you're on camera, try to lock you up.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's exactly what happened. There's a lesson there.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The vibe shift is real. The winning is stacking up.
I hope all of you had fantastic weekends. We've already
had two fun hours with you. Third hour begins now,
and Buck, I just want to run through some things
that I thought were awesome over the weekend and reflect
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how much our culture has swung in the thirteen days
since Donald Trump won the popular vote and became president
elect in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Over the weekend, we had UFC fight.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
John Jones wins and does the Trump dance that Trump
does during the YMCA. We had players on the on
the Lions, the Detroit Lions, who, by the way, maybe
the best team in the NFL, which for anybody who
was an NFL fan is unheard of. Congratulations Detroit era
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Lions fans, Titans and Raiders do the Trump dance in
celebration of big plays on the football field. Buck, you
even tried to watch the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight.
Worth noting both Jake Paul and Mike Tyson endorsed Donald
Trump in this election.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
They had not only like Netflix. First of all, they
had all sorts of streaming issues. They could barely put
it on. For many of you out there who probably
tried to watch on Friday night over the weekend, you
had issues with it. But Buck, they brought back ring girls,
and the girls looked amazing. If you wondered whether boobs
are back in America as a good thing, you could
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not escape the ring girls and their outfits, leading those
girls to go megaviral over the place. You had a
situation where basically the culture has swung in a massive way,
to such an extent that it is now very cool
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to be a Trump supporter. And for you, Buck, living
in New York City and having voted Trump, and for
me covering sports and being an open Trump supporter, there
were times Buck where people said, your career is over.
You can't be saying positive things about Donald Trump and
expect to ever work in sports media.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Again.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That's what I was told when I endorsed Trump, and
I said, look, I mean I think Trump's actually done
a good job.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I was told I couldn't even say that.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And now all over America it's suddenly become cool to
be a Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I was reading in the New York Times over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
They had a story about people in suburban neighborhoods who
put Trump signs.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Out after he won the election.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
They didn't do it before the election, but as soon
as he won. As soon as he won, they're like, yeah,
you know what left wing neighbors wear it.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I voted Trump. Here's my sign. That's up.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I'm seeing Buck, video now of dudes rolling into and
this for those of you who are not from New
York City, Buck, this probably is stunning to you. Twenty
three twenty four year old dudes rolling into popular bars
in New York City in maga hats, girls coming and
talking to them. They're not isolated. They're the cool guy
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in the bar. My wife talked about this over the weekend.
I was talking about this with her, as young men
now are endorsing Trump. She's like, you know what's gonna happen.
All these young girls that want to be liked by
these young boys. They're gonna start to break on the
anti Trump train, and you're going to see more and
more young people. But I just wanted to ask you this,
because you lived through it. Did you ever think you'd
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see trendy. Let's say Greenwich village bars where dudes would
be rolling in in maga caps. When you were living
in New York City.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Nobody, even the most ardent Trump supporter in Manhattan circa
twenty sixteen election, nobody was going in with a maga
head on. Doesn't matter how much you loved Trump, because
you were gonna get jeered, booed, and probably have drinks
thrown at you. I mean, that's how aggressive it would be.
So the change is real. I mean, this is a
this is a very very clear disruption of the old
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of the old narrative and the cultural residence of the
Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think on a number of fronts.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Clay, they really came up short. Kamala Harris was a
terrible candidate, but there's also the party apparat that put
her in place, Yeah, and really made Biden pick her
for DEEI reasons pretty clear, and then decided Biden needed
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to step aside. You know, there's a little bit of
I think the shattering of the Democrat elites image here
as well. George Clooney with his op ed it needs
to be Kamala, really, your jackass, it needs to be
Kamala you know what I mean, Like you see these people,
Clay's choking, You.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
See the most almost spit I was taking a sip
of my Crockett coffee when you said that, I almost
spit it out.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But it's true though, I mean, that's what these guys just.
People look at them now, you're like, you're such a shmo.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You you know, you were all in on Kamala Harris,
and she got destroyed by Trump. You wrote these op eds,
you whined and kicked and screamed about how it couldn't
be Biden. You destroyed Kamala's political future. So whatever you think,
she's never running again. It's oh, yes, right, she's done.
So you you gave her a ninety day campaign. Effectively
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she got cross and the New York Times. I think
a lot of these places, it's not just Clay that
they're shot at their side lost. It's that they kicked
and screamed to get their way and looked like imbeciles.
And that's it's beyond they lost.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
There's a lot of mockery.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now, there's a lot of you know what I mean,
there's a lot of who's really calling the shots here?
And what a bunch of clowns. They are on the
Democrat side.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That's hard to shake.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
A couple of things that I want to play that
further illustrate this seismic vibe shift that we are seeing.
We made fun of Joe Scarborough and Mika Brazinski an
hour one for going and bending the knee to Donald
Trump at mar A Lago on Friday. If you missed it,
they started off their program talking about that, but I
had Greg on our team pull two more clips that
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I thought were emblematic of just how much of a
flip flop this was. In October of twenty twenty four,
buck Joe Scarborough said, if Trump wins, He's going to
take new whose networks off the air and will be hitler.
This is just what he said last month. Listen to
Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
The point applies even if this is not Germany nineteen
thirty three. The point applies if this is something not
as savage as Germany nineteen thirty three, but simply an
autocrat who decides to be a dictator on day one,
who decides to arrest all those who he doesn't like,
to take news networks off the TV, as he said
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he would do if they're not supportive of him, who's
talked about assassinating generals that aren't sufficiently loyal to him,
has complained to his chief of staff that his general
should be more like Hitler's generals. Of course, Hitler's generals
tried to kill at af Hitler. But Donald Trump didn't
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know history, so he didn't know that. Whose own lawyer
said in court he could use Seal Team six to assassinate,
to assassinateolitical rivals, and if you were president of the
United States, he could not be arrested.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's last month. Listen to what Joe Scarborough said. This
again last month. That's what he was telling his audience.
Listen to what he said. This is a new clip
we got this morning about Trump.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Think about this. Of the one hundred and fifty million
votes cast, Donald Trump got fifty percent, Kamala Harris got
about forty nine percent. So I don't know. Seems to
make sense for leaders of both parties to seek common ground,
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if it's possible at all. And I will tell you
a lot of Democratic leaders we've talked to this past
week since the election have told me and me it's
time for a new approach. And when I say top Democrats,
I mean top Democrats. They said we're open. And this
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is before we talked to Donald Trump. He said, listen,
we're open to working with the incoming president. If the
incoming president is open to working.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
With us, Buck, I mean, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Can I throw out something?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Do you think he would come on this show and
explain to his mindset shift? If if he's serious, if
Joe Scarborough is serious about maybe Trump isn't Hitler and
we need to see common ground. He should be willing
to reach out to the other side himself as a
thought leader of the left or whatever. I think he
considered himself an independent and come on and can try
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to I mean I would have questions for him.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Do you think it would just would he become overtly
hostile by being asked the obvious questions like why'd you
say somebody's Hitler?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Why would you see compromise with Hitler? I would seek
no compromise with Hitler. I certainly wouldn't go to Hitler's layer.
I wouldn't go to like the eagle's nest or whatever,
you know, the fallback location.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Hey, can I rub your feet and tell you how
great you are like, no, no, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So hey, what's up, h Man, give me a fist.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Pound always thought you were under respected under Radia. Yeah,
that's well, we should invite him. He will probably not
come on, but Ali, you can try to reach out
to his apparatus corporate wise and invite him on the show.
We don't run from people, even if they have moronic opinions,
if they want to discuss them on this show.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
But I also want to play you this buck. I
had the team grab it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You know who suddenly has decided that immigration is out
of control? How about Justin Trudeau who has announced that
he is going to now limit immigration in Canada.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
We got a lot of listeners north of the border.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
A and they are overwhelmingly disgusted with the decisions that
Justin Trudeau has made.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You talking about a major vibe shift.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It's not even just in the United States, America's top hat.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, maybe we blew it on immigration. Justin Trudeau is saying, listen.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Immigration, let's talk about it.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
In the last two years, our population has grown really fast,
like baby boom fast, and increasingly bad actors like fake
colleges and big chain corporations have been exploiting our immigration
system for their own interests.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
So we're doing something major. We're reducing the numbers of
immigrants that will come to Canada for the next three years. Today,
I'm gonna let you in on what happened, where we
made some mistakes and why we're taking this big turn.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Buck Canada now is saying, hey, this whole immigration thing, Hey,
maybe we got a little bit ahead of ourselves. We're
not going to basically allow immigration for the next three years.
So you got Joe and Mika, you got basically the
entire NFL, and now you've got Justin Trudeau. Trump's ability
and you're right on this to get things done has
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never been more readily apparent in his entire political career.
I mean this honestly, than what he's going to be
able to do in the next year. We've got to
efficiently get things done. But he's never had a larger mandate,
more public support, greater cultural power than he does right now.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's a remarkable thing to see. And we're going to
be focusing on the consolidation of the cabinet and those positions.
Also the battle over Senate confirmation that may not just
be with Democrats. Some Republicans make it a little weak
in the knees over the possibility of some recess appointments.
Here and here's what I see, Clay, and I believe
(28:33):
Trump has already spoken to this. It's going to be
a warp speed administration. Member Operation Warp Speed back in
twenty twenty. It'll be a warp speed administration. And so
far as they're going to have to do the big
things right away, right out of the gate, it's going
to have to be, you know, going for it in
year one. I think we are heading into whatever one
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thinks of the different choices and policies. Just in terms
of the amount of political capital that is going to
be spent by an administration, I think year one, twenty
twenty five of Trump two point zero might be one
of the most consequential years we've seen in American politics
in twenty years, maybe more.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I mean, I don't even know. I don't know how
you could quantify it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think it might be the most most consequential we've
seen in our lifetime, short of nine to eleven, maybe
when we decided to invade a bunch of countries.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But that's another conversation.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I think Bucky had a prediction for you. We can
mention and we come back.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know, you watch Stranger Things, right the televisions. Yeah,
so you know when they had the Mondel and Ferraro
like yard signs and you looked at it because it's
a nostalgic show for people who don't know. I think
in the years ahead, even people who didn't vote Trump
are going to start claiming that they voted Trump. That's
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when you know the vibe shift is real.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is that four years.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
From now, I think Trump's going to come in and
be so much more powerful that I think people are
going to be embarrassed to say that they were Kamala
Walls supporters, just like a lot of people people who
voted for Ferraro and Mondel. I've never even heard anybody
talk about voting for them. Because the Reagan Revolution was
so powerful in eighty four, I think we're going to
see that with the Trump win.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Two.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from Our Home to Yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show. The
recapture of the Starship as it comes back down to Earth.
We don't do a lot of I feel like the
Starship Enterprise theme song should be in the background here.
We don't talk a lot about, you know, outer space
exploration and the forefront of science here. This is incredible.
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This guy who may have saved free speech in the
Western world because of his purchase of X, and has
changed the car industry and is creating robots that are
almost too human it's getting freaky. Also has reopened Clay
Space Exploration. The entire space industry has had life breathe
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into it by Elon Musk and it's going to take
some time, but we are now on a trajectory to
dramatically expand as a species or ability to be in
space to colonize other places.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It's incredible stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I was texting with my sixteen year old about this
last night. He was so impressed. He loved the idea
of space travel. I know many of you out there
probably are fascinated by it too. What Elon has done
when you talk about remaking the automobile entire engine and
whether you want to buy an EV or not, the
fact that that even exists is pretty remarkable, and that
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SpaceX is better than NASA at Space Exploration. Now Elon
and we know he's bought x, which is a major
difference in the way the media has impacted. But Elon's
goal is to be on Mars before he dies. I
think he's going to manage it. And it's a pretty
remarkable thing to contemplate all that he has accomplished. And
(31:59):
it makes me feel good that he is on the
Trump train as aggressively as he is, because he sees
the woke mind virus as a threat to human accomplishing.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I think that's that's critical because if he wasn't also
political now and fully on the Trump train, there would
already be in you know, elite academic and technology circles
at the very top discussion of how this guy is
lining himself up in terms of his accomplishments, which I
think are beyond lining himself up to be in the
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category of those greats like Isaac Newton, da Vinci, Einstein, Marconi, Gutenberg.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
This is civilization advancing stuff that he is doing. I
think it's the largest.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I think it's the largest thing sent up into the
sky ever as well. I mean, I will just say
it's not a plane, right, It's like the largest aerial
object that we've ever had up in the air and
to have it recaptured and make it reusable. This is
in a hundred years us.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
No one's gonna be talking about how Kamala gave.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The worst speeches and who cares, right, I mean, you know,
we'll see if she's President's your point, Clay, Nobody will
even remember her name in ten years if she doesn't win,
but they will remember this moment going in, you know,
and on this Columbus Day, people can think to this
is a civilization advancing achievement. And I just think, you know,
all due respect to not just Elon but everyone at
SpaceX and the people who are doing incredible things. Incredible
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things are still very possible despite the communists who are
trying to tear us all down.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I do think the accomplishments of Elon Musk, in particular
his goal to make to make a world humanity a
multiplanetary species, is pretty remarkable. And what he did with
landing that device with SpaceX is is extraordinary. Front page
article Sunday edition, New York Times talking about Elon Musk
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seeing the Trump election as essential to his goal for
the progress of humanity. And I actually thought our old
friend John Fetterman, Pennsylvania Senator, who is one of the
few Democrats that make sense on a day to day basis, said,
don't underestimate the impact of Elon Musk. Here is cut seventeen.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Most endorsements don't count for much in this business. But
Musk is incredibly popular, and he has an appeal to
a demographic that Democrats have been struggle with there and
to some people that they see him as that's Tony Stark.
He's the world's richest man, and he's undeniably a brilliant guy.
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So I think that is a situation for Democrats. We
would have to acknowledge that. And it seems now now
I see that on the front page of the New
York Times now talking about it. So you know, that's
a significant development for me in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He's basically Buck moved to Pennsylvania. Elon Musk has he's
running a campaign out of Pittsburgh to try to win
the state for Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Look, it is significant that Elon created a free speech
platform with x because of the sharing of information. Did
we mention it's the four year anniversary of the Hunter Biden.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Land destroy today.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
It is today the four year anniversary of the New
York Post breaking the Hunter Biden laptop story, and then
the collusion between the biggest social media companies to shut
it down, to lock the New York Post, which I
think is the oldest newspaper in New York, you know,
ongoing newspaper in New York, lock it out of their
own account. Total scandal that couldn't happen the same way today.
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Elon's kicked it wide open and also the richest guy
on the planet and the most important CEO and entrepreneur
going all in for Trump means something
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,
Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
A lot to discuss with you, particularly on the criminal
justice front. Let me tell you that if there is
a theme I can throw out for all of you today,
it would be if this was a we had law,
jurorsprudence and social thought was our pre law department at Ambers.
We could have started out the day or the class
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today with what is justice exactly?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Question mark?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Because you have a couple of things all coming together,
the Daniel Penny trial, which I want to get into
some detail with you on an update on Jesse Smolette.
That's right, friends, and it is not a good one
for those who believe in justice and sanity. And then
also the continued freak out over Matt Gates as the
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would be Attorney General of the Trump administration to this
day I will throw out, to this day, despite all
the things, never charged with any crime of any kind,
Congressman Gates, isn't that interesting? Maybe they should start the
discussions at least with that. If they were thinking about
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this in legal terms, you would assume, right, we always
have to say alleged, but he's not even really alleged.
Is he, because no one's ever even brought charges.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's just in the ether.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's just rumor, it's just stuff that people have said
to other people, but that no authority has ever actually
decided warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that
that's important to put out there because the way that
all these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you
would think that somehow this had been adjudicated in a
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negative way for Congressman Gates, and that is the opposite
of the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And we like the truth here. So I do want
to start, though, if I.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Can, with these two moments in time, with our justice
system of Daniel Penny and I have the We're going
to do a deep dive, you and me. We're going
to do a deep dive into his initial interrogation, okay,
and how this went and what we now know about
Daniel Penny. And then I will get to what is
(02:20):
going to be called now by at least Jesse Smollette
and his team, the exoneration of Justse Smollette.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's right, friends, they've overturned.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Overturned that preposterous liars conviction. And I want to get
into why. I want to get into how this happens,
how it undermines our sense that the rule of law
is a real thing in this country, that accountability is
real in this country. Just like with the legal immigration,
the lawlessness all around us builds up and creates a perception,
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creates a broad feeling that this is now just a system,
meaning our league system through which power is exercised instead
of justice, and that includes racial justice, social justice. All
the different forms that they say, no, no, no, there
is only justice. All those other things are politicized versions,
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are political notions. We'll get into this though. Right justice
as a concept, it's either just or it is not.
You don't have to have these modifiers. But there's a
reason why they do that. Let me get back into
Daniel Penny. As you know, part of my story is
I grew up in the worst version of New York
City by the numbers when it comes to violence. That
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was my I grew up in it. I grew up
in a very nice part of that New York City,
but it was still dangerous. There were still thinks people.
I got mugged. Everyone I know is getting mugged. Cars
being broken into, people are being sexually assaulted, and nonprecedented
numbers something like twenty two hundred murders when I'm in
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you know, they call it lower school, right third fourth
grade around there, twenty two hundred murders in New York City.
I mean now the number is, I don't know, between
four to six hundred, depending on the year. Last couple
of decades, twenty two hundred mers. New York City was
a dangerous place, and one of the main reasons for
it was people would keep getting arrested and not actually
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punished in any meaningful way. I've spent eighteen months at
the NYPD Intelligence Division, and so I was riding around
a lot with cops who have been on the job
for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Guess what we did all day? We talked, right, And
that's basically what you do.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know what a stakeout is, hanging out with a
couple of detectives, you know, eating takeout food and like,
why are you know? Surveillance That's what it is, you know,
watching what's going on on the street for hours at
a time. So you learn a lot about I learned
a lot about what they went through, and they would
tell what really sounded like war stories about being in
some of the very difficult precincts, constant shootings, crackec epidemic,
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all this stuff, and finally Giuliani comes in and he
says enough and there's a mandate from the city, from
the people of New York City that we actually just
want to be safe. That's the single most important thing.
And then we lost that because of the vile communist
moron de Blasio, because of the BLM one point zero
and BLM two point zero, and this so called defund
police and racial justice movement all tied in together. Abolish prisons,
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by the way, also a part of this, and it's
all rooted in the demographics of who gets arrested the
most and serves the most prison time in New York
City is very troubling to Democrats because they view it
as something that has to be racially balanced. I don't
view it that way. Any person can commit a crime
and should be held to account. We are all equal
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in the eyes of God and the law, and it
doesn't matter what those numbers end up being. Riker's Island,
the primary prison of New York City is over ninety
percent black and Hispanic. That has been the case as
long as I have been alive.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
That is just the true. That is just the number.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Okay, So they say, well, that's unfair. There must be
a systemic racism. There must be something that is creating
those numbers, and the only way that they should deal
with it then is to have fewer people imprisoned, Abolish prisons,
defund police, less enforcement.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Guess what happens. We've seen what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And in New York City specifically, they've seen this major uptick,
and they'll play games with these numbers. Oh, it's so
much safer than it was in the early nineties. Yeah,
but why are we going backwards? What possible rationale could
there be for a twenty five, a thirty, a forty
percent increase in violent crime in one year in New
York City. It was in' COVID they tried that it
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was a change in political will. Now enter Daniel Penny
and what happened here. I watched the whole interrogation tape.
He is facing right now manslaughter charges in your involuntary
manslaughter charges in New York City, and he's putting up
his defense. I will say, first and foremost, you hear
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this guy, and he's a well intentioned person. He's a
marine he's trying. He views himself because of his training,
because of who he is, because of his code of honor,
which is, by the way, a thing that all men
should have, right, Oh yeah, masculinity, code of honor, These
things should go together. Daniel Penny thinks that it's his
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role to protect women and children on the subway from
a serial felon, a clearly deranged person, a person who
has violently assaulted already numerous people on the subway. Broke
a Asian American woman's eye socket while she was waiting
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for a train, just run up and punched her right in.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
The face, shat at her eye socket.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
How do you think that trip of the hospital was
for her? How do you think that made her day?
How'd that go for her family? Why is this guy
walking around the streets. Oh, you know, social justice can
lock him up?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Why? Wow?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ask the Democrats that one Daniel Penny steps in. Now
here's the mistake from a legal procedure perspective.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And this is.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Very frustrating because I think Daniel Penny, he's a young guy.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
You know, it's easy for me to sit here.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Former CIA, you know, worked in worked with law enforcement,
worked the federal government, understand how these things go easy
for me to second guess him. I understand though, that
in the moment he's like, I'm just trying to step
in and help. I've got nothing to hide. Well, unfortunately,
the NYPD guys who sit down their job isn't to help.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The good guy the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Their job is to just find the purpse, get all
the information they can, and let the prosecutors make the decision.
They're not on his team. He sat down with them.
This is the interrogation, the eight minute long interrogation, and
they they they very quick established rapport. You had a
former marine sitting with a former marine and they hear
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play this. You can sort of hear this is straight
out I'm not. I mean, this is what detectives do.
This is out of the one oh one playbook. Hey,
we're all buddies here, talk to us without a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Play it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I did a certain Marine corps.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Oh nice, I said, before this nice, what you're doing
was you haveslimore?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I was three fifty one.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I was a whole three thirty one.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Oh cool.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
You get your weapons with two military so I don't
know what that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
That's like a language derbitize six marines. Okay, there it
goes very such.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Ninety six to two thousand midloads.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Did my thing and then I ended up getting Now
I got close to twenty two years.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You know, man, good passion. Yeah, man, I.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Go up in Queens as well.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Fast nice nas nice, that's a good Dan.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Anyway, listen to you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So we want to talk to you about what happened today.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
Sure, thank you for staking around being cooperative.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Absolutely, it's a trap and you just see him walking
right into it. And it's not because he's it's not
because he's a dumb guy. It's not because he's a
bad guy. It's because his adrenaline has been going. And
these guys are approaching him in with a sense of
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a kind of friendship tone and oh, I'm a marine,
you're a marine. Then they read him his Miranda rights
right after this. They went through it very clearly. They
made him verbalize, yes you know you can have a lawyer,
Yes you know, you don't have to talk to us yet,
and then he started talking, don't talk to law enforcement
unless you have an attorney present, right, I mean, unless
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you're like complaining about, you know, a neighbor's cat being
allowed to run through your yard or something. You know,
unless it's something very minor, if you're the target of
an investigation or the possible target of an investigation, don't
speak to law enforcement without an attorney present, especially the FBI,
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by the way, and with the NYPD, it's going to
be used against you, as it was here. But with
the FBI, they can say you lied, and then you're
you're facing a one zero zero one charge and they
can give you up the five years for that alone.
That's how they got Martha Stewart, by the way, lying
not insider trading.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I really appreciated.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
The the documentary that came out recently. If you haven't
seen it on Martha Stewart, you know who you know
who made sure she went away. James Comy. James Comy,
he's the one who decided she was going to face
charges for something that wasn't criminal. She actually should be pardoned.
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I know she's a Democrat, I know she voted Kamala.
She should be fully pardoned. And that's not even because
I like Pistachio Kremberley and maybe she has some great
Krimberlay recipes.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Put that aside.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
James Comy showed us who he was with that and
it only got worse with Trump. These detectives have laid
the trap and unfortunately Penny starts to walk into it here.
And it's heartbreaking because this guy's a marine who's trying
to defend, he's trying to protect, he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
The right thing.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Now, I want to work.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I want to walk through the rest of this interrogation
with you. You need to hear these different pieces of it
because this goes to why is this guy being charged again?
What interest of justice does this serve? What is the
expectation that Alvin Bragg's department in New York City, the
District Attorney's office, what is the expectation that they have
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for what you're supposed to be able to subject yourself
to here. I want to talk to you about all
of that and how that.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Also ties in with justse Smollett. Esse Smollett.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I know it wasn't I know, no one died. I
know it wasn't the same level of case. But it's
the justice system at work. And oh boy, did we
get to see who gets favoritism in this justice system?
Who gets special treatment. It's not the marine who served
as country it's the disgraceful, cowardly overpaid actor because he's
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friends with Kamala, because he's a DEEI superstar, and the
justice system decided to bail him out entirely. We're going
to talk about this here in just a second.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Clay Travs here.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Welcome back into Clay An Buck. We're talking about the
Daniel Penny caase in New York City, which the whole country,
at least in terms of what's in the news and
the narratives about law and order, is I think paying
attention to now because this is going to be a
case that sets a precedent New York City. And I
say this from the experience of having been on many
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a subway in recent years, although not as much since
I moved to Florida in October of twenty twenty two,
but years before that, or in days before that, on
the subway. Crazy stuff going on, crazy stuff on the
subways on a regular basis, where you're made to feel unsafe.
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And you know, it's one thing for me. I'm six
feet tall, believe it or not, and you know.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Two hundred and ten ish pounds.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Too much, I know, but six feet tall and I'm
a guy, and I have to sit there and think
what am I gonna do if one of these maniacs
puts his hands on me or somebody near me? And
I've told you before one of the challenges is a
prosecutor like Alvin Bragg. If you're a white guy and
you step in and it is on a non white
you know, would be perpetrator or assailant, there's a very
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good chance that they're gonna either hit you with a
hate crime or they're gonna make an example of you.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Be like, oh, but he had aspiration.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
You know, you punched him, but he eats, So what
if he's been arrested twenty times, like he has aspirations
of being being, you know, an astronaut one day or something.
Any of you who haven't read the book Bonfire of
the Vanities, it's Tom Wolfe's best novel in my mind.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
By far. Go read it. You'll see the whole thing,
the whole playbook.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's right there. Daniel Penny had to make that decision himself.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
How am I going to take action here to save
people around me to protect people around me. I do
not believe for one second that Daniel Penny intended, you know,
intended to kill or intended even intense bottling harm against
Jordan Neely. But he also didn't think that he should
wait when somebody says I'm going to kill everybody here,
and the guy looks like a maniac and has and
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has a history. I mean, he does hurt people. This
is a violent felon who's running around hurting people on
the subway. New York refuses to do something about it.
So Jordan Neely steps in, and now he's facing the
ruination of his life, you know, a decade plus in prison.
God knows how long hill action he would actually get
if he's found guilty. And this is Alvin Bragg's version of.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Justice in New York City.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And there's the interrogation tape, which I want to go
back to. First problem I haven't. I'm not trying to
be critical of Daniel Pennig. It's just a teaching moment here.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh yeah, I'm a marine. I'm a marine.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We can trust each other, right, zem for five right,
start talking, you're on camera, try to lock you up.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's exactly what happened. There's a lesson there.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The vibe shift is real. The winning is stacking up.
I hope all of you had fantastic weekends. We've already
had two fun hours with you. Third hour begins now,
and Buck, I just want to run through some things
that I thought were awesome over the weekend and reflect
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how much our culture has swung in the thirteen days
since Donald Trump won the popular vote and became president
elect in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Over the weekend, we had UFC fight.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
John Jones wins and does the Trump dance that Trump
does during the YMCA. We had players on the on
the Lions, the Detroit Lions, who, by the way, maybe
the best team in the NFL, which for anybody who
was an NFL fan is unheard of. Congratulations Detroit era
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Lions fans, Titans and Raiders do the Trump dance in
celebration of big plays on the football field. Buck, you
even tried to watch the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight.
Worth noting both Jake Paul and Mike Tyson endorsed Donald
Trump in this election.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
They had not only like Netflix. First of all, they
had all sorts of streaming issues. They could barely put
it on. For many of you out there who probably
tried to watch on Friday night over the weekend, you
had issues with it. But Buck, they brought back ring girls,
and the girls looked amazing. If you wondered whether boobs
are back in America as a good thing, you could
(18:08):
not escape the ring girls and their outfits, leading those
girls to go megaviral over the place. You had a
situation where basically the culture has swung in a massive way,
to such an extent that it is now very cool
(18:28):
to be a Trump supporter. And for you, Buck, living
in New York City and having voted Trump, and for
me covering sports and being an open Trump supporter, there
were times Buck where people said, your career is over.
You can't be saying positive things about Donald Trump and
expect to ever work in sports media.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Again.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That's what I was told when I endorsed Trump, and
I said, look, I mean I think Trump's actually done
a good job.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I was told I couldn't even say that.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And now all over America it's suddenly become cool to
be a Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I was reading in the New York Times over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
They had a story about people in suburban neighborhoods who
put Trump signs.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Out after he won the election.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
They didn't do it before the election, but as soon
as he won. As soon as he won, they're like, yeah,
you know what left wing neighbors wear it.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I voted Trump. Here's my sign. That's up.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I'm seeing Buck, video now of dudes rolling into and
this for those of you who are not from New
York City, Buck, this probably is stunning to you. Twenty
three twenty four year old dudes rolling into popular bars
in New York City in maga hats, girls coming and
talking to them. They're not isolated. They're the cool guy
(19:46):
in the bar. My wife talked about this over the weekend.
I was talking about this with her, as young men
now are endorsing Trump. She's like, you know what's gonna happen.
All these young girls that want to be liked by
these young boys. They're gonna start to break on the
anti Trump train, and you're going to see more and
more young people. But I just wanted to ask you this,
because you lived through it. Did you ever think you'd
(20:09):
see trendy. Let's say Greenwich village bars where dudes would
be rolling in in maga caps. When you were living
in New York City.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Nobody, even the most ardent Trump supporter in Manhattan circa
twenty sixteen election, nobody was going in with a maga
head on. Doesn't matter how much you loved Trump, because
you were gonna get jeered, booed, and probably have drinks
thrown at you. I mean, that's how aggressive it would be.
So the change is real. I mean, this is a
this is a very very clear disruption of the old
(20:43):
of the old narrative and the cultural residence of the
Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think on a number of fronts.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Clay, they really came up short. Kamala Harris was a
terrible candidate, but there's also the party apparat that put
her in place, Yeah, and really made Biden pick her
for DEEI reasons pretty clear, and then decided Biden needed
(21:10):
to step aside. You know, there's a little bit of
I think the shattering of the Democrat elites image here
as well. George Clooney with his op ed it needs
to be Kamala, really, your jackass, it needs to be
Kamala you know what I mean, Like you see these people,
Clay's choking, You.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
See the most almost spit I was taking a sip
of my Crockett coffee when you said that, I almost
spit it out.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But it's true though, I mean, that's what these guys just.
People look at them now, you're like, you're such a shmo.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You you know, you were all in on Kamala Harris,
and she got destroyed by Trump. You wrote these op eds,
you whined and kicked and screamed about how it couldn't
be Biden. You destroyed Kamala's political future. So whatever you think,
she's never running again. It's oh, yes, right, she's done.
So you you gave her a ninety day campaign. Effectively
(21:59):
she got cross and the New York Times. I think
a lot of these places, it's not just Clay that
they're shot at their side lost. It's that they kicked
and screamed to get their way and looked like imbeciles.
And that's it's beyond they lost.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
There's a lot of mockery.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now, there's a lot of you know what I mean,
there's a lot of who's really calling the shots here?
And what a bunch of clowns. They are on the
Democrat side.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That's hard to shake.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
A couple of things that I want to play that
further illustrate this seismic vibe shift that we are seeing.
We made fun of Joe Scarborough and Mika Brazinski an
hour one for going and bending the knee to Donald
Trump at mar A Lago on Friday. If you missed it,
they started off their program talking about that, but I
had Greg on our team pull two more clips that
(22:49):
I thought were emblematic of just how much of a
flip flop this was. In October of twenty twenty four,
buck Joe Scarborough said, if Trump wins, He's going to
take new whose networks off the air and will be hitler.
This is just what he said last month. Listen to
Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
The point applies even if this is not Germany nineteen
thirty three. The point applies if this is something not
as savage as Germany nineteen thirty three, but simply an
autocrat who decides to be a dictator on day one,
who decides to arrest all those who he doesn't like,
to take news networks off the TV, as he said
(23:30):
he would do if they're not supportive of him, who's
talked about assassinating generals that aren't sufficiently loyal to him,
has complained to his chief of staff that his general
should be more like Hitler's generals. Of course, Hitler's generals
tried to kill at af Hitler. But Donald Trump didn't
(23:50):
know history, so he didn't know that. Whose own lawyer
said in court he could use Seal Team six to assassinate,
to assassinateolitical rivals, and if you were president of the
United States, he could not be arrested.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
That's last month. Listen to what Joe Scarborough said. This
again last month. That's what he was telling his audience.
Listen to what he said. This is a new clip
we got this morning about Trump.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Think about this. Of the one hundred and fifty million
votes cast, Donald Trump got fifty percent, Kamala Harris got
about forty nine percent. So I don't know. Seems to
make sense for leaders of both parties to seek common ground,
(24:40):
if it's possible at all. And I will tell you
a lot of Democratic leaders we've talked to this past
week since the election have told me and me it's
time for a new approach. And when I say top Democrats,
I mean top Democrats. They said we're open. And this
(25:01):
is before we talked to Donald Trump. He said, listen,
we're open to working with the incoming president. If the
incoming president is open to working.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
With us, Buck, I mean, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Can I throw out something?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Do you think he would come on this show and
explain to his mindset shift? If if he's serious, if
Joe Scarborough is serious about maybe Trump isn't Hitler and
we need to see common ground. He should be willing
to reach out to the other side himself as a
thought leader of the left or whatever. I think he
considered himself an independent and come on and can try
(25:39):
to I mean I would have questions for him.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Do you think it would just would he become overtly
hostile by being asked the obvious questions like why'd you
say somebody's Hitler?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Why would you see compromise with Hitler? I would seek
no compromise with Hitler. I certainly wouldn't go to Hitler's layer.
I wouldn't go to like the eagle's nest or whatever,
you know, the fallback location.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Hey, can I rub your feet and tell you how
great you are like, no, no, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So hey, what's up, h Man, give me a fist.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Pound always thought you were under respected under Radia. Yeah,
that's well, we should invite him. He will probably not
come on, but Ali, you can try to reach out
to his apparatus corporate wise and invite him on the show.
We don't run from people, even if they have moronic opinions,
if they want to discuss them on this show.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
But I also want to play you this buck. I
had the team grab it.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You know who suddenly has decided that immigration is out
of control? How about Justin Trudeau who has announced that
he is going to now limit immigration in Canada.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
We got a lot of listeners north of the border.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
A and they are overwhelmingly disgusted with the decisions that
Justin Trudeau has made.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You talking about a major vibe shift.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It's not even just in the United States, America's top hat.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, maybe we blew it on immigration. Justin Trudeau is saying, listen.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Immigration, let's talk about it.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
In the last two years, our population has grown really fast,
like baby boom fast, and increasingly bad actors like fake
colleges and big chain corporations have been exploiting our immigration
system for their own interests.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
So we're doing something major. We're reducing the numbers of
immigrants that will come to Canada for the next three years. Today,
I'm gonna let you in on what happened, where we
made some mistakes and why we're taking this big turn.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Buck Canada now is saying, hey, this whole immigration thing, Hey,
maybe we got a little bit ahead of ourselves. We're
not going to basically allow immigration for the next three years.
So you got Joe and Mika, you got basically the
entire NFL, and now you've got Justin Trudeau. Trump's ability
and you're right on this to get things done has
(27:53):
never been more readily apparent in his entire political career.
I mean this honestly, than what he's going to be
able to do in the next year. We've got to
efficiently get things done. But he's never had a larger mandate,
more public support, greater cultural power than he does right now.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's a remarkable thing to see. And we're going to
be focusing on the consolidation of the cabinet and those positions.
Also the battle over Senate confirmation that may not just
be with Democrats. Some Republicans make it a little weak
in the knees over the possibility of some recess appointments.
Here and here's what I see, Clay, and I believe
(28:33):
Trump has already spoken to this. It's going to be
a warp speed administration. Member Operation Warp Speed back in
twenty twenty. It'll be a warp speed administration. And so
far as they're going to have to do the big
things right away, right out of the gate, it's going
to have to be, you know, going for it in
year one. I think we are heading into whatever one
(28:55):
thinks of the different choices and policies. Just in terms
of the amount of political capital that is going to
be spent by an administration, I think year one, twenty
twenty five of Trump two point zero might be one
of the most consequential years we've seen in American politics
in twenty years, maybe more.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I mean, I don't even know. I don't know how
you could quantify it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think it might be the most most consequential we've
seen in our lifetime, short of nine to eleven, maybe
when we decided to invade a bunch of countries.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
But that's another conversation.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I think Bucky had a prediction for you. We can
mention and we come back.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know, you watch Stranger Things, right the televisions. Yeah,
so you know when they had the Mondel and Ferraro
like yard signs and you looked at it because it's
a nostalgic show for people who don't know. I think
in the years ahead, even people who didn't vote Trump
are going to start claiming that they voted Trump. That's
(29:47):
when you know the vibe shift is real.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is that four years.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
From now, I think Trump's going to come in and
be so much more powerful that I think people are
going to be embarrassed to say that they were Kamala
Walls supporters, just like a lot of people people who
voted for Ferraro and Mondel. I've never even heard anybody
talk about voting for them. Because the Reagan Revolution was
so powerful in eighty four, I think we're going to
see that with the Trump win.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Two.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from Our Home to Yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show. The
recapture of the Starship as it comes back down to Earth.
We don't do a lot of I feel like the
Starship Enterprise theme song should be in the background here.
We don't talk a lot about, you know, outer space
exploration and the forefront of science here. This is incredible.
(30:37):
This guy who may have saved free speech in the
Western world because of his purchase of X, and has
changed the car industry and is creating robots that are
almost too human it's getting freaky. Also has reopened Clay
Space Exploration. The entire space industry has had life breathe
(30:58):
into it by Elon Musk and it's going to take
some time, but we are now on a trajectory to
dramatically expand as a species or ability to be in
space to colonize other places.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
It's incredible stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I was texting with my sixteen year old about this
last night. He was so impressed. He loved the idea
of space travel. I know many of you out there
probably are fascinated by it too. What Elon has done
when you talk about remaking the automobile entire engine and
whether you want to buy an EV or not, the
fact that that even exists is pretty remarkable, and that
(31:36):
SpaceX is better than NASA at Space Exploration. Now Elon
and we know he's bought x, which is a major
difference in the way the media has impacted. But Elon's
goal is to be on Mars before he dies. I
think he's going to manage it. And it's a pretty
remarkable thing to contemplate all that he has accomplished. And
(31:59):
it makes me feel good that he is on the
Trump train as aggressively as he is, because he sees
the woke mind virus as a threat to human accomplishing.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I think that's that's critical because if he wasn't also
political now and fully on the Trump train, there would
already be in you know, elite academic and technology circles
at the very top discussion of how this guy is
lining himself up in terms of his accomplishments, which I
think are beyond lining himself up to be in the
(32:27):
category of those greats like Isaac Newton, da Vinci, Einstein, Marconi, Gutenberg.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
This is civilization advancing stuff that he is doing. I
think it's the largest.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I think it's the largest thing sent up into the
sky ever as well. I mean, I will just say
it's not a plane, right, It's like the largest aerial
object that we've ever had up in the air and
to have it recaptured and make it reusable. This is
in a hundred years us.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
No one's gonna be talking about how Kamala gave.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
The worst speeches and who cares, right, I mean, you know,
we'll see if she's President's your point, Clay, Nobody will
even remember her name in ten years if she doesn't win,
but they will remember this moment going in, you know,
and on this Columbus Day, people can think to this
is a civilization advancing achievement. And I just think, you know,
all due respect to not just Elon but everyone at
SpaceX and the people who are doing incredible things. Incredible
(33:25):
things are still very possible despite the communists who are
trying to tear us all down.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I do think the accomplishments of Elon Musk, in particular
his goal to make to make a world humanity a
multiplanetary species, is pretty remarkable. And what he did with
landing that device with SpaceX is is extraordinary. Front page
article Sunday edition, New York Times talking about Elon Musk
(33:53):
seeing the Trump election as essential to his goal for
the progress of humanity. And I actually thought our old
friend John Fetterman, Pennsylvania Senator, who is one of the
few Democrats that make sense on a day to day basis, said,
don't underestimate the impact of Elon Musk. Here is cut seventeen.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Most endorsements don't count for much in this business. But
Musk is incredibly popular, and he has an appeal to
a demographic that Democrats have been struggle with there and
to some people that they see him as that's Tony Stark.
He's the world's richest man, and he's undeniably a brilliant guy.
(34:35):
So I think that is a situation for Democrats. We
would have to acknowledge that. And it seems now now
I see that on the front page of the New
York Times now talking about it. So you know, that's
a significant development for me in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
He's basically Buck moved to Pennsylvania. Elon Musk has he's
running a campaign out of Pittsburgh to try to win
the state for Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Look, it is significant that Elon created a free speech
platform with x because of the sharing of information. Did
we mention it's the four year anniversary of the Hunter Biden.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Land destroy today.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
It is today the four year anniversary of the New
York Post breaking the Hunter Biden laptop story, and then
the collusion between the biggest social media companies to shut
it down, to lock the New York Post, which I
think is the oldest newspaper in New York, you know,
ongoing newspaper in New York, lock it out of their
own account. Total scandal that couldn't happen the same way today.
(35:36):
Elon's kicked it wide open and also the richest guy
on the planet and the most important CEO and entrepreneur
going all in for Trump means something
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