December 1, 2024 • 20 mins
The vibe shift and why young men went MAGA.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Sunday Hang with Playing Fuck podcast. It starts now. I
flew out to California yesterday after our show. There is
a major vibe shift that has taken place. Forty percent
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of Californians roughly are going to vote Trump, So there
are tons of Trump voters listening to us right now
in California. You and I have talked about how we
are fans of the state of California, beautiful place. I
hate to see what Democrats have done to cities like
La San Francisco, places that are just fabulous and should
be incredible to live. But I will say that there
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are a lot of Trump supporters coming out of the woods.
On my airplane flight last night. When I went to
get something to eat last night at the hotel, people
coming up and just saying, Hey, Trump won, Thank you
for what you and Buck do. Thank you for what
you do at out Kick on a level that I've
never seen before. Buck and I've been traveling out to
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La for work a lot because Fox Sports is based
out here for now better part of eleven years. I
think I know the LA area pretty well. I've spent
more time here than anywhere other than Nashville, and it
is it is palpable, the feeling that things have changed
in a major way. Even in a place like LA
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that has a left leaning bent to it, people are
feeling the change and the result is real and it's fabulous.
And I bet you're in Miami, which now is a
deep red city, which is kind of crazy to say,
but I bet Buck, the next time you're in New
York City, you're going to pick up on a different vibe,
even in New York City than maybe what you have seen.
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Certainly after twenty sixteen and in the past Sunday hang
with Clay and Buck, A lot of the data is
out and the biggest move that occurred from twenty twenty
to twenty twenty four in terms of groups voting is
young men, White, Black, Asian and Hispanic under the age
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of thirty overwhelmingly moved to vote and support Donald Trump.
Many of you out there listening to us right now
may have kids, may have grandkids that were a part
of this group voting for the very first time. Some
of you are listening to us right now, and you
voted in an election for the very first time, and
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you voted for Trump and Buck. I wrote last night
when I was flying to LA a column that is
up at OutKick right now. I shared it from my Twitter.
We'll link it up at Clayanbuck dot com. But I've
been thinking a lot about as these Trump celebrations have happened.
You saw John Jones doing the Trump dance last night,
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Christian Pulistic, the soccer player, did it. Lots of different
NFL players, Detroit Lyons, San Francisco forty nine Ers, Tennessee Titans,
basically the Las Vegas Raiders all over the country. Young
men athletes in particular, are saying, we're Trump guys and
we're not apologizing for it. How did this happen? How
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did suddenly it become so incredibly cool for young men
to be Trump supporters? Now? I think Trump ran a
great campaign. He was intelligent in reaching out to these
young guys by doing Joe Rogan, by doing THEO Vaughn,
by doing OutKick. Honestly, Aiden Ross, I think is the
guy's name. Lots of people who are younger than I am,
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and then you are buck and we're pretty young to
be having the jobs that we have are being really
impactful when it comes to young men and how they voted.
And I've got a thesis for you, and it's been
building for some time, and I'm curious if you buy it.
Imagine that you were fifteen or sixteen years old when
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COVID happened. I think younger men this is true too,
But those kids, like my kids now they're fourteen and sixteen,
they live through COVID. But just follow me here and
see if you buy it. This is my thesis. If
you were told, hey, you can't go to school anymore,
you can't play sports, you can't go to prom, you
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can't go on to the mall, you can't hang out
with your buddies. You got to stay at home. You
can't go see grandpa or grandma if they're sick in
the hospital because you might kill them. You can't go
to their funeral. You gotta wear a mask outdoors to
play football whenever you're allowed to play, to play soccer,
you got to wear a mask to play basketball because
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you might die from this virus which actually has no
statistical chance of killing you. If all of the adults
in your life, and the authority figures told you that,
and you found out that it wasn't true. I think
you'd be angry. And if simultaneously you were being told
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that men were the root of all evil, that masculinity
was toxic, you would start to look around, and you
might have a profound BS detector. And also you might
start to look and find Clay and Buck on social
media or OutKick, or you might find Jordan Peterson. You
might find Ben Shapiro, you might find Joe Rogan. You
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might find a lot of male voices out there telling
you that you weren't actually responsible for anything other than
what you did. And you might have started to look
at Donald Trump, who, if you're a young man, you
had been told was racist and sexist and totally unacceptable.
And then on July thirteenth, you saw Trump nearly get shot,
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and you saw him rise up and say fight, fight, fight,
and what I think is the most alpha male moment
in the history of the United States presidency. And you
might have started looking around saying, wait a minute, Trump
is actually what a male figure that I would aspire
to be part of. And let me give you two
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more little clips here, Buck, because I'm raising boys right now.
About four years ago or so, I was with my
then ten year old in Target and we walked in
I think we were going to buy football cards, and
there were girl power shirts everywhere. And my ten year
old turned to me and he said, Dad, how come
there's never boy power shirts anywhere? He said, they would never.
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Target would never sell a shirt that said boy power.
Why can girls all walk around saying yay girl power?
And we're not allowed to be proud to be men? Boys?
Is what he said. I never would have thought about it.
Another one of my kids for Ends, was over and
I wrote about this because it in retrospect makes a
lot of sense. Buck. He said, I was in class
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the other day and one of our teachers was doing
a whole thing on how toxic masculinity is and how
white men have caused all these problems, and he said,
I'm just over it. He said, I'm twelve. I think
it was a sixth grader at the time. He's like,
my mom doesn't even let me pick what I get
to eat for dinner. How can I be the cause
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of everything that's gone wrong in America? I'm just a
twelve year old kid. I think these boys have seen
through the BS. And this is one reason Buck, I'm
so optimistic going forward. I think that they are going
to be absolutely the foundation of the Republican Party going forward, White, Black,
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Asian and Hispanic because they're over the BS. And I
think that's why they moved so much to Trump in
twenty twenty four. A lot of these guys are just
voting for the first time. Do you buy it. They're
angry about COVID, They're angry about what they've been told
about masculinity. They think it's BS.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Look, if you're a guy, let's just say you know,
twelve to twenty five right now, right so you're you know,
you're aware of what's in the new well. I mean,
obviously twelve year old's very very different perspective from twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Five year olds.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
But you know, a young man in the world today
in America, who do you look up to on the
Democrat side? You know, I'll tell you one thing that
has changed dramatically in our in our culture. I don't
think people look up to actors at all anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah. I think that that.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think because of social media and because of the
change also in the power dynamic in Hollywood where now
you know who really runs the entertainment industry, Netflix, Amazon, Apple,
That's who runs the entertainment industry. It's not even the
big movie studios anymore. So the era of I want
to be George Clooney or I want to be Brad
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Pitt when I grow up, I think those guys are
badasses and they're so cool, not really a thing anymore.
That's changed dramatically. I think a lot of sports heroes
or you know, elevating people in the sports realm, it's changed.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Doesn't mean that there aren't people that look up to
NBA players, NFL players, UFC fighters, whomever. But because of
social media, we have seen that some of these people
are jerks, like Colin Kaepernick is a fraud and a jerk. Yeah,
And you know, I think there are plenty of people
who might have, you know, liked him for the athlete
he was, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But when he.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Showed what he really felt about America, a lot of
people reacted very negatively to it. And when the NBA
was you know, the NBA has this habit of you know,
standing against the police and sometimes with criminals. You know,
we've seen enough of this now where If you're a
young man looking for role models, I don't mean role
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models is I want to be like this person, but
I want to aspire to their philosophy. I like the
way they view the world and what they're trying to achieve.
I do not think the left has anyone for you.
I think that's where we are. I do not think
that anybody who is a pronoun sharing male feminist who
thinks that transgender men should play in women's sports and
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wants to chant all the time about girl power and
wants to talk about the dangers of white supremacy, and
thinks Christopher Columbus should be replaced with you know, Native
Indigenous People's Day or whatever. I don't think an average thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
all the way up to twenty five year old or
whatever guy with normal levels of testosterone, which, by the way,
does affect your brain and your outlook on life and
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what you want to do. I don't think they see
the left and they see anybody that they want to
be like or that they look up to. Right now,
who's really prominent. We don't look up to music acts
the same way. I mean, maybe some people do, but
you know, rock stars. A lot of the old rock
stars now also look a little kind of like weird
and sad. They've gotten really old. They're not giving it up.
I don't know if you saw Madonna recently, not that
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I was ever a huge Matona, and but you know,
she needs an intervention. I'm just saying, I think that
the heroes in this country, it's changed a lot. And
I think that some of the people that are believing
in MAGA to the central point you're making, are young
men who view this as a philosophy of America and
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their role in it. That makes them proud, That makes
them feel like there's something that they should fight for
and that they have a role, that they have a purpose.
You do not have purpose if you're just some cognive
machine that walks around with your shoulders slumped together, being
like I'm a male feminist, you know you do not
have purpose as a man in that world.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah. And I think Buck, the Butler Pennsylvania assassination attempt,
if you had said, oh, Trump's a fraud, Trump's a coward,
that argument went up in smoke. I don't know Buck,
how I would respond if I were speaking on a
stage and I came within a quarter inch of my
head being blown off. I don't know that I would
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have been as brave as Trump and stood up in
immediately screamed fight, fight, fight. I don't think anybody knows
how they would respond in that moment. I think the
argument that Trump was sort of a deletant and he
didn't believe what he was saying it went away forever.
And I think what it goes to is young men
are desperately craving authenticity. They don't expect that they're going
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to agree with you on everything, but we live. I
think everybody understands this in a profoundly and authentic age.
Instagram is BS. I don't even know how to work
a filter, but I've seen enough girls on Instagram who
look like they're twenty four's on the scale of one
to ten. And you see him in person, you're like, ah,
you know, you're really good at working the mechanics on that.
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And I think they know that it's BS, and I think, yeah,
I see my son about a guy, Andrew Tait. I said,
why do you like Andrew Tate? You know, because there's
criticisms about Andrew Tate. He said, well, what I take
from a dad is quit whining and do more push ups.
And I'm like, if you're fourteen, that's not bad advice.
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Do quit winding and do more push ups is actually
a constructive thing that makes you a better version of yourself, right,
which is really what it's about.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I also think we're at a phase of Trump and
the Trump phenomenon where now people if you look at
some of the great movers of history, I mean people
that were moving the levers of history in important and
powerful ways and over in a net positive way.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Not Stalin, He moved a lot of levers, but.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, But people that move levers in a positive way.
You know, you can look at them. And I'm a
big fan of reading biographies. Right, you can look at
them and through the totality of what they represented and
what they accomplished, and not feel the need to have
to say that everything about them is perfect or awesome.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And I think that a lot of people who have
supported Trump from the beginning, the left has always played there,
the Democrats have always played this game of life. But
what about we know about the butt? What about you
know we know about your objections, We know that He's
not perfect. Nobody's perfect. We know that he has some shortcomings.
But when you see what he has done, not just
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with this re election win, but I did you know
how he reacted to the attempted assassination. I'm sorry, but
that's an image that is now seared into all of
our brains. I think we all recognize that that was
a moment in history that we'll all remember, and that
could have been very different, very tragic. When you see
that he stood up against multiple indictments honestly like it
was no big deal. Yeah, most people get one felony indictment,
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and you know they're they're having to put them on
like high high doses of you know, paxel or zoloft
or something just to get them to show up to
court because they're so terrified about what's going to happen
to them, and or lithium or something. And Trump just
sort of rolled over all this. There is something about
this that appeals to the masculine in all of us.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I also one idea that I'd like for you guys
to think about as we go to break how do
we define people? Because but what about is so important?
What you just said, Buck, I think we're moving towards
an era where we look towards the ceiling as opposed
to the floor. What do I mean by that? Much
of the deconstructive woke era is about dragging people back
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to the worst version of themselves. Oh yeah, Columbus discovered America,
but he was really mean to the indigenous people. You're
dragging people to the floor. The worst thing that they
ever did defines them, not the best. Most of human
history is about aspiring to be better than we are.
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Certainly the religious faith is entirely predicated on it. In
the Christian life, woke is about dragging people down to
the worst and most basist level of what they have done,
as opposed to ascending to the best version of themselves.
And I think the ceiling versus the floor, we're moving
towards the Hey. Yeah, sometimes people do things that snink.
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It doesn't mean that that's who they are. Let's aspire
to something more. And I think that's so innately powerful
for young men. Aspire to be more than you are, bigger, stronger, faster,
do more push ups, read more books, be a better
version of yourself. That is what so many young men
aspire to. And I think they see that in some
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level in Trump. That's my thesis. There's an article up
about it, but I do think it's worth contemplating if
you've got young boys or young grandsons out there that
you're thinking about, what they're rising to, What are they raising,
what are they aspiring to.
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got a call from Andy in Tennessee. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Andy, gentlemen, thanks for taking Mike palm. I'm a Rush baby,
and you guys are doing a great job and I'm
sure Rush would be very proud of it. Pat you,
thank you, thank you so much for what Thank you
for what you do. So I have two boys, twenty
one and eighteen. They're actually back in Kentucky but voted
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for the first time, and uh, you know, I said, hey,
I just want you to vote. I'm not going to
ask you who you voted for. And they're like, Dad,
I voted for Trump. Who do you think I voted for?
And I said, okay, good boy, good boys. Uh, but
I said why and they said, because I am constantly
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demeaned for being a guy. Yep, everywhere I turn, I'm demoralized.
And I'm like, hey, and I've tried to raise them,
you know, not to be macho or you know, over
the top. But hey, cowboy up, man up, let's get
the job done.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah. No, they're picking. They're picking up what's out there.
Thank you very much for the call. And also there's
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Speaker 2 (18:07):
Again, this is.
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Speaker 2 (18:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Let's hear what he had to say, Mark the truck.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Driver from Colorado here play is right on the money.
I have five sons between the ages of seventeen and
twenty two. To this day, every single one of them
is pissed off about all the things stolen from them
during COVID graduations, homecomings, frum football seasons. They are not
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over it, they will never be over it, and they
want to see somebody pay.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I love it, Bucket. I this is you and me.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We're older.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But this is where we have both wanted there to
be consequences for all the lies that were told us
during COVID. I think young men are cashing the check
of the consequence in the way that they are moving,
and I think twenty twenty four, really that is a
huge part of why they moved the way they did.
And remember we had a call it maybe young women
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as well. Remember the woman we had call I think
Maddie was her name, from Utah who said this was
the very first time she was able to vote, and
she voted Trump because she was so angry of prom
being taken from her, of them shutting down school. Maybe
we even open up phone lines at some point and
just say, hey, first time ever voters. I would be
interested to hear from them whether this is a cultural
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conversation among their groups that are occurring. I think it is.
Maybe we should open up phones for young callers at
some point.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You know, the COVID madness was really pushed by two things.
And this is why the proms were canceled and weddings
were canceled, and you know, school years were canceled and
all that soft clay conformity and cowardice. People that just
went along because that's what people were doing, and people
who were cowards, especially in the decision making roles refused
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to say, this isn't helping. In fact, this is just
making everything worse. And those are both very anti masculine traits.
You don't want to be a conformist, you don't want
to be a coward. So it makes sense that people
have reacted. Young men in particular, have reacted this way.
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flew out to California yesterday after our show. There is
a major vibe shift that has taken place. Forty percent
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of Californians roughly are going to vote Trump, So there
are tons of Trump voters listening to us right now
in California. You and I have talked about how we
are fans of the state of California, beautiful place. I
hate to see what Democrats have done to cities like
La San Francisco, places that are just fabulous and should
be incredible to live. But I will say that there
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are a lot of Trump supporters coming out of the woods.
On my airplane flight last night. When I went to
get something to eat last night at the hotel, people
coming up and just saying, Hey, Trump won, Thank you
for what you and Buck do. Thank you for what
you do at out Kick on a level that I've
never seen before. Buck and I've been traveling out to
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La for work a lot because Fox Sports is based
out here for now better part of eleven years. I
think I know the LA area pretty well. I've spent
more time here than anywhere other than Nashville, and it
is it is palpable, the feeling that things have changed
in a major way. Even in a place like LA
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that has a left leaning bent to it, people are
feeling the change and the result is real and it's fabulous.
And I bet you're in Miami, which now is a
deep red city, which is kind of crazy to say,
but I bet Buck, the next time you're in New
York City, you're going to pick up on a different vibe,
even in New York City than maybe what you have seen.
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Certainly after twenty sixteen and in the past Sunday hang
with Clay and Buck, A lot of the data is
out and the biggest move that occurred from twenty twenty
to twenty twenty four in terms of groups voting is
young men, White, Black, Asian and Hispanic under the age
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of thirty overwhelmingly moved to vote and support Donald Trump.
Many of you out there listening to us right now
may have kids, may have grandkids that were a part
of this group voting for the very first time. Some
of you are listening to us right now, and you
voted in an election for the very first time, and
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you voted for Trump and Buck. I wrote last night
when I was flying to LA a column that is
up at OutKick right now. I shared it from my Twitter.
We'll link it up at Clayanbuck dot com. But I've
been thinking a lot about as these Trump celebrations have happened.
You saw John Jones doing the Trump dance last night,
(02:58):
Christian Pulistic, the soccer player, did it. Lots of different
NFL players, Detroit Lyons, San Francisco forty nine Ers, Tennessee Titans,
basically the Las Vegas Raiders all over the country. Young
men athletes in particular, are saying, we're Trump guys and
we're not apologizing for it. How did this happen? How
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did suddenly it become so incredibly cool for young men
to be Trump supporters? Now? I think Trump ran a
great campaign. He was intelligent in reaching out to these
young guys by doing Joe Rogan, by doing THEO Vaughn,
by doing OutKick. Honestly, Aiden Ross, I think is the
guy's name. Lots of people who are younger than I am,
(03:44):
and then you are buck and we're pretty young to
be having the jobs that we have are being really
impactful when it comes to young men and how they voted.
And I've got a thesis for you, and it's been
building for some time, and I'm curious if you buy it.
Imagine that you were fifteen or sixteen years old when
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COVID happened. I think younger men this is true too,
But those kids, like my kids now they're fourteen and sixteen,
they live through COVID. But just follow me here and
see if you buy it. This is my thesis. If
you were told, hey, you can't go to school anymore,
you can't play sports, you can't go to prom, you
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can't go on to the mall, you can't hang out
with your buddies. You got to stay at home. You
can't go see grandpa or grandma if they're sick in
the hospital because you might kill them. You can't go
to their funeral. You gotta wear a mask outdoors to
play football whenever you're allowed to play, to play soccer,
you got to wear a mask to play basketball because
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you might die from this virus which actually has no
statistical chance of killing you. If all of the adults
in your life, and the authority figures told you that,
and you found out that it wasn't true. I think
you'd be angry. And if simultaneously you were being told
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that men were the root of all evil, that masculinity
was toxic, you would start to look around, and you
might have a profound BS detector. And also you might
start to look and find Clay and Buck on social
media or OutKick, or you might find Jordan Peterson. You
might find Ben Shapiro, you might find Joe Rogan. You
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might find a lot of male voices out there telling
you that you weren't actually responsible for anything other than
what you did. And you might have started to look
at Donald Trump, who, if you're a young man, you
had been told was racist and sexist and totally unacceptable.
And then on July thirteenth, you saw Trump nearly get shot,
(05:59):
and you saw him rise up and say fight, fight, fight,
and what I think is the most alpha male moment
in the history of the United States presidency. And you
might have started looking around saying, wait a minute, Trump
is actually what a male figure that I would aspire
to be part of. And let me give you two
(06:19):
more little clips here, Buck, because I'm raising boys right now.
About four years ago or so, I was with my
then ten year old in Target and we walked in
I think we were going to buy football cards, and
there were girl power shirts everywhere. And my ten year
old turned to me and he said, Dad, how come
there's never boy power shirts anywhere? He said, they would never.
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Target would never sell a shirt that said boy power.
Why can girls all walk around saying yay girl power?
And we're not allowed to be proud to be men? Boys?
Is what he said. I never would have thought about it.
Another one of my kids for Ends, was over and
I wrote about this because it in retrospect makes a
lot of sense. Buck. He said, I was in class
(07:06):
the other day and one of our teachers was doing
a whole thing on how toxic masculinity is and how
white men have caused all these problems, and he said,
I'm just over it. He said, I'm twelve. I think
it was a sixth grader at the time. He's like,
my mom doesn't even let me pick what I get
to eat for dinner. How can I be the cause
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of everything that's gone wrong in America? I'm just a
twelve year old kid. I think these boys have seen
through the BS. And this is one reason Buck, I'm
so optimistic going forward. I think that they are going
to be absolutely the foundation of the Republican Party going forward, White, Black,
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Asian and Hispanic because they're over the BS. And I
think that's why they moved so much to Trump in
twenty twenty four. A lot of these guys are just
voting for the first time. Do you buy it. They're
angry about COVID, They're angry about what they've been told
about masculinity. They think it's BS.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Look, if you're a guy, let's just say you know,
twelve to twenty five right now, right so you're you know,
you're aware of what's in the new well. I mean,
obviously twelve year old's very very different perspective from twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Five year olds.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
But you know, a young man in the world today
in America, who do you look up to on the
Democrat side? You know, I'll tell you one thing that
has changed dramatically in our in our culture. I don't
think people look up to actors at all anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah. I think that that.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think because of social media and because of the
change also in the power dynamic in Hollywood where now
you know who really runs the entertainment industry, Netflix, Amazon, Apple,
That's who runs the entertainment industry. It's not even the
big movie studios anymore. So the era of I want
to be George Clooney or I want to be Brad
(08:56):
Pitt when I grow up, I think those guys are
badasses and they're so cool, not really a thing anymore.
That's changed dramatically. I think a lot of sports heroes
or you know, elevating people in the sports realm, it's changed.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Doesn't mean that there aren't people that look up to
NBA players, NFL players, UFC fighters, whomever. But because of
social media, we have seen that some of these people
are jerks, like Colin Kaepernick is a fraud and a jerk. Yeah,
And you know, I think there are plenty of people
who might have, you know, liked him for the athlete
he was, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
But when he.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Showed what he really felt about America, a lot of
people reacted very negatively to it. And when the NBA
was you know, the NBA has this habit of you know,
standing against the police and sometimes with criminals. You know,
we've seen enough of this now where If you're a
young man looking for role models, I don't mean role
(09:51):
models is I want to be like this person, but
I want to aspire to their philosophy. I like the
way they view the world and what they're trying to achieve.
I do not think the left has anyone for you.
I think that's where we are. I do not think
that anybody who is a pronoun sharing male feminist who
thinks that transgender men should play in women's sports and
(10:15):
wants to chant all the time about girl power and
wants to talk about the dangers of white supremacy, and
thinks Christopher Columbus should be replaced with you know, Native
Indigenous People's Day or whatever. I don't think an average thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
all the way up to twenty five year old or
whatever guy with normal levels of testosterone, which, by the way,
does affect your brain and your outlook on life and
(10:37):
what you want to do. I don't think they see
the left and they see anybody that they want to
be like or that they look up to. Right now,
who's really prominent. We don't look up to music acts
the same way. I mean, maybe some people do, but
you know, rock stars. A lot of the old rock
stars now also look a little kind of like weird
and sad. They've gotten really old. They're not giving it up.
I don't know if you saw Madonna recently, not that
(10:58):
I was ever a huge Matona, and but you know,
she needs an intervention. I'm just saying, I think that
the heroes in this country, it's changed a lot. And
I think that some of the people that are believing
in MAGA to the central point you're making, are young
men who view this as a philosophy of America and
(11:19):
their role in it. That makes them proud, That makes
them feel like there's something that they should fight for
and that they have a role, that they have a purpose.
You do not have purpose if you're just some cognive
machine that walks around with your shoulders slumped together, being
like I'm a male feminist, you know you do not
have purpose as a man in that world.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah. And I think Buck, the Butler Pennsylvania assassination attempt,
if you had said, oh, Trump's a fraud, Trump's a coward,
that argument went up in smoke. I don't know Buck,
how I would respond if I were speaking on a
stage and I came within a quarter inch of my
head being blown off. I don't know that I would
(11:59):
have been as brave as Trump and stood up in
immediately screamed fight, fight, fight. I don't think anybody knows
how they would respond in that moment. I think the
argument that Trump was sort of a deletant and he
didn't believe what he was saying it went away forever.
And I think what it goes to is young men
are desperately craving authenticity. They don't expect that they're going
(12:21):
to agree with you on everything, but we live. I
think everybody understands this in a profoundly and authentic age.
Instagram is BS. I don't even know how to work
a filter, but I've seen enough girls on Instagram who
look like they're twenty four's on the scale of one
to ten. And you see him in person, you're like, ah,
you know, you're really good at working the mechanics on that.
(12:42):
And I think they know that it's BS, and I think, yeah,
I see my son about a guy, Andrew Tait. I said,
why do you like Andrew Tate? You know, because there's
criticisms about Andrew Tate. He said, well, what I take
from a dad is quit whining and do more push ups.
And I'm like, if you're fourteen, that's not bad advice.
(13:05):
Do quit winding and do more push ups is actually
a constructive thing that makes you a better version of yourself, right,
which is really what it's about.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I also think we're at a phase of Trump and
the Trump phenomenon where now people if you look at
some of the great movers of history, I mean people
that were moving the levers of history in important and
powerful ways and over in a net positive way.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Not Stalin, He moved a lot of levers, but.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, But people that move levers in a positive way.
You know, you can look at them. And I'm a
big fan of reading biographies. Right, you can look at
them and through the totality of what they represented and
what they accomplished, and not feel the need to have
to say that everything about them is perfect or awesome.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And I think that a lot of people who have
supported Trump from the beginning, the left has always played there,
the Democrats have always played this game of life. But
what about we know about the butt? What about you
know we know about your objections, We know that He's
not perfect. Nobody's perfect. We know that he has some shortcomings.
But when you see what he has done, not just
(14:13):
with this re election win, but I did you know
how he reacted to the attempted assassination. I'm sorry, but
that's an image that is now seared into all of
our brains. I think we all recognize that that was
a moment in history that we'll all remember, and that
could have been very different, very tragic. When you see
that he stood up against multiple indictments honestly like it
was no big deal. Yeah, most people get one felony indictment,
(14:36):
and you know they're they're having to put them on
like high high doses of you know, paxel or zoloft
or something just to get them to show up to
court because they're so terrified about what's going to happen
to them, and or lithium or something. And Trump just
sort of rolled over all this. There is something about
this that appeals to the masculine in all of us.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I also one idea that I'd like for you guys
to think about as we go to break how do
we define people? Because but what about is so important?
What you just said, Buck, I think we're moving towards
an era where we look towards the ceiling as opposed
to the floor. What do I mean by that? Much
of the deconstructive woke era is about dragging people back
(15:20):
to the worst version of themselves. Oh yeah, Columbus discovered America,
but he was really mean to the indigenous people. You're
dragging people to the floor. The worst thing that they
ever did defines them, not the best. Most of human
history is about aspiring to be better than we are.
(15:40):
Certainly the religious faith is entirely predicated on it. In
the Christian life, woke is about dragging people down to
the worst and most basist level of what they have done,
as opposed to ascending to the best version of themselves.
And I think the ceiling versus the floor, we're moving
towards the Hey. Yeah, sometimes people do things that snink.
(16:03):
It doesn't mean that that's who they are. Let's aspire
to something more. And I think that's so innately powerful
for young men. Aspire to be more than you are, bigger, stronger, faster,
do more push ups, read more books, be a better
version of yourself. That is what so many young men
aspire to. And I think they see that in some
(16:24):
level in Trump. That's my thesis. There's an article up
about it, but I do think it's worth contemplating if
you've got young boys or young grandsons out there that
you're thinking about, what they're rising to, What are they raising,
what are they aspiring to.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
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got a call from Andy in Tennessee. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Andy, gentlemen, thanks for taking Mike palm. I'm a Rush baby,
and you guys are doing a great job and I'm
sure Rush would be very proud of it. Pat you,
thank you, thank you so much for what Thank you
for what you do. So I have two boys, twenty
one and eighteen. They're actually back in Kentucky but voted
(17:18):
for the first time, and uh, you know, I said, hey,
I just want you to vote. I'm not going to
ask you who you voted for. And they're like, Dad,
I voted for Trump. Who do you think I voted for?
And I said, okay, good boy, good boys. Uh, but
I said why and they said, because I am constantly
(17:41):
demeaned for being a guy. Yep, everywhere I turn, I'm demoralized.
And I'm like, hey, and I've tried to raise them,
you know, not to be macho or you know, over
the top. But hey, cowboy up, man up, let's get
the job done.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah. No, they're picking. They're picking up what's out there.
Thank you very much for the call. And also there's
the talkback feature, which a lot of you are really enjoying.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Again, this is.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Through the app, directly, the iHeart app. You go press
you go to the Clay and buck page and then
you press the little CC. I'm sorry, no, you press
the little microphone rather, and CC is one of our talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Let's hear what he had to say, Mark the truck.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Driver from Colorado here play is right on the money.
I have five sons between the ages of seventeen and
twenty two. To this day, every single one of them
is pissed off about all the things stolen from them
during COVID graduations, homecomings, frum football seasons. They are not
(18:46):
over it, they will never be over it, and they
want to see somebody pay.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I love it, Bucket. I this is you and me.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We're older.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But this is where we have both wanted there to
be consequences for all the lies that were told us
during COVID. I think young men are cashing the check
of the consequence in the way that they are moving,
and I think twenty twenty four, really that is a
huge part of why they moved the way they did.
And remember we had a call it maybe young women
(19:17):
as well. Remember the woman we had call I think
Maddie was her name, from Utah who said this was
the very first time she was able to vote, and
she voted Trump because she was so angry of prom
being taken from her, of them shutting down school. Maybe
we even open up phone lines at some point and
just say, hey, first time ever voters. I would be
interested to hear from them whether this is a cultural
(19:40):
conversation among their groups that are occurring. I think it is.
Maybe we should open up phones for young callers at
some point.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You know, the COVID madness was really pushed by two things.
And this is why the proms were canceled and weddings
were canceled, and you know, school years were canceled and
all that soft clay conformity and cowardice. People that just
went along because that's what people were doing, and people
who were cowards, especially in the decision making roles refused
(20:09):
to say, this isn't helping. In fact, this is just
making everything worse. And those are both very anti masculine traits.
You don't want to be a conformist, you don't want
to be a coward. So it makes sense that people
have reacted. Young men in particular, have reacted this way.
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