December 3, 2024 • 36 mins
CNN and the regime media at CNN are going after the Hunter Biden pardon. Even Jeffrey Toobin thinks J6 pardons are more likely now after the Hunter Biden pardon. Kash Patel is going to have to show the kind of weaponization of the FBI that he’s there to fix. Kash Patel reforming the FBI and Elon Musk with DOGE are going to fix things long broken.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and appreciate you being with us. I want to bring
you a little bit of the conversation on the CNN
side of the equation. I did watch over at MSNBC
this morning, and Clay, let's be honest, they kind of
need me, you know what I mean now all of
a sudden, being an MSNBC watcher is like being a
(00:22):
Florida voter circa two thousand. Like, oh man, they need
every single one they can get because every vote counts,
every viewer counts. Over there, they're having a rough one.
But I've also been seeing a lot of the way
they're trying to process this on CNN and the way
that they're trying to line up the arguments against now
(00:42):
they're really honed in. They've they made almost no noise
at all about Christy nom at DHS, which I think
is interesting. They're not she's not on the Democrats hate
list right now for nominees at all. They don't even
talk about it. Tom Homan, well Tom super duper qualify
to do exactly what he does, So you know, they
(01:03):
they can't go they can't go after qualifications at all.
What are they really going to say we don't like
him because he's going to actually enforce the law. Well,
that's like an advertisement for him. They're going after hag
Seth and they're going after cash Betel a lot, and
I don't think that they're breaking through with any new
arguments or or changing any people's minds about this. We
(01:25):
shall see though. In the meantime, it has been very
interesting over there as they try to deal with this
new reality and the reality this week of the Biden Pardon,
you had Jeffrey Tubin's.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
He is he back?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
At seeing I thought was he's back, He's back, He's back. Wow,
the infamous Tubin as perhaps he could be known. We
could come up with some other names, but this is
a family show, so we keep a family friendly on
the air. But Jeffrey Tubin the first thing you google
when you see tube and we'll make sure you have
your Google filters on Tubit is a famous guy for
(02:06):
certain reasons. Some people are saying famous guy certain reasons.
And here he is pointing out that j six pardons
because this is on the upside of the Hunter Biden Pardon,
other than us getting to marinate in their agony. This
week overlooking like such idiots in the media. Ooh, there's
never going to pardon his son. Yeah, we knew he would.
(02:29):
But Clay, the possibility of JA six pardons going up
substantially is also tied to this. This is cut seven
to the point about the January sixth people have been convicted.
Do you think this kind of opens the door for that?
It makes it more likely, and I think it already
was likely.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You know, they're fifteen hundred people convicted in the you know,
broad January sixth investigation. Whether he pardons every single one
of them or just several hundred, I think is is
certain most of them have already most of them have
completed their sentences or they weren't sent instead of prison in.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The first place.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
But there are several hundreds still in prison, including some
for extreme crimes of violence. Will Trump pardon them all?
I don't know, But I think the likelihood of a
substantial number of pardons went up today because.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of what Biden did yesterday. I like that that's recognized
as a side effect, if you will, of the hunter
of Biden pardon McClay. Can I just point out there
are many people we've talked a lot to Julie Kelly
about this. We've covered this a lot on the show.
We've consistently been highlighting the unfair treatment, the unjust treatment
of j six individuals Justice involved individuals from the sixth
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of January, perhaps we could call them, although it was
injustice that they got the fact that they were prosecuted
federally for trespassing. Yeah, is when you actually take a
step back and I know that it's been normalized for
this stuff to have into our side in the media,
and I know that we're supposed to think even though
(04:04):
we don't, we don't buy it, but you know, we're
supposed to think that in some way, this is you know,
the law is the law. People had the FBI raiding
their homes because they walked and we've seen the videos.
They walked into the Capitol building when a lot of
them were actually kind of waved through by Capitol Hill
police and they walked in and they took photos. I
(04:24):
mean there's that photo of them like respecting the ropes
in the Statuary Hall or whatever. I mean, we've seen
this stuff, and the FBI went and hunted them down
like they're members of al Qaida. They absolutely should be
part and they must be parted.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, And this is one where if they were asking
me advice, I told you what my advice would have
been for Joe Biden. Pardon Trump and when you're going
to pardon your son. This is one where I would
say to the Trump team, do everything on day one
remotely possible under your presidential powers.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Led the zone.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Because I don't want to be alarmist, but I think
the likelihood is you have to think about the trajectory
of where the country is headed. Democrats have a very
good chance of taking back the House in twenty twenty six.
Typically off president election years do not go well for
(05:21):
the party in power. We know that they have, to
a large extent, rigged many different blue states. Everybody wants
to say, oh, look at how unfair the jerrymandering is
in Florida or North Carolina. I mean, you got states
where it's almost impossible for Republicans to win any seats
(05:44):
at all. So both sides have jury rigged the House
such that it's almost impossible for the party that is
not in power in those states to get very many
seats at all. So we only have twenty five seats
that are actually in play in a four hundred and
thirty five seat House of Representatives. That's the reality. I
(06:06):
think there's a good chance, given it's going to be
two twenty to two fifteen, that they will flip three
seats take back control of the House. You've got to
do everything in the first year everything. I want every
Senator sleeping in Washington, DC every night. I want every
member of the House of Representatives sleeping every night in Washington,
(06:27):
d C. You've got basically a year to get everything done.
And a big part of this buck is you have
to pardon. I mean this clearly. I don't even want
anybody to misrepresent this. Every single January sixth defendant should
be pardoned on day one, every single one of them.
And this is important because they're going to say, what
(06:47):
about people who engaged in crimes of violence. They've been
over punished under DC law relative to what other violent
criminals are going to do.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Wipe it clean. If they were wearing BLM shirts and
sang in America's racist while they were punching the cops,
MSNBC would have been cheering for them. That's just the truth.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We all saw it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We saw it in twenty twenty. I witnessed this. We
witnessed this. It happened on my own block in the city.
I have not forgotten and I am not forgiving. This
needs to happen because there has been no accounting for
that disparity that occurring. People say, oh, it's about stopping
the peaceful transfer. Oh, you know, take a walk off.
It's over.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
This is with Buck Hunter Biden's pardon opened the door
to No, there's no counter argument anymore. Oh what about
January sixth, like Rachel Maddow like falling down like the
wicked witch of the West, which he gets water thrown
on her. Like they're all done, They're all done, Hunter Biden.
I think that's why they're so angry. Buck, the Hunter
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Biden pardon cut their legs out from underneath.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You that what's the arguments they're supposed to make nowhere?
Where's this sort of sanctimonious lib who goes on TV,
Look it's about or to my we're really because I
think it's about your scumbag son raising tens of millions
of dollars illegally stashing it, not paying taxes on it,
money laundering it from China and Barisma, which we have
not forgotten about either. By the way, and of course
(08:14):
is covered by this part in you know, I think
we all know what was really going on here, but
also we're talking J six think for a second, Clay
about what we have been shown through actions over the
last twelve months. Donald Trump should face prison time thirty
(08:34):
seven count felony conviction. He should face prison time for
writing that an NDA payment that was legal was like
attorney fee instead of NDA fee or something on his
and didn't file it in the Election Committee U paperwork,
(08:55):
which was defrauding the American people, and therefore it's a felony.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's insane, it's insane. You can't even say with a
straight face that is conduct.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That Donald Trump should face the music for a federal prosecutor,
you know, a felony prosecution, not federal state. But and
then Hunter Biden should be able to sell out his
country with tens of millions of dollars collected as a
bagman for influence, pedaling illegally by a firearm, illegally used drugs,
illegally pay for prostitutes, and walk away scott free. That
(09:31):
is the justice system that these sanctimonious libs for years
now have been saying.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We stand in defense of and they know Clay.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Unless you are a totally deluded lunatic, you see this
for what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
How about also a reassessment of Jan six.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Eighty one million votes. A lot of the people who
showed up on Jan.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Six felt like Democrats cheated in the twenty twenty election,
maybe one hundred percent of them. Now that we've had
the twenty twenty four election and seven million fewer votes
for Kamala have come in the first time since nineteen
thirty two. This is the data that I have seen,
(10:16):
and if the team can confirm at one hundred percent,
I've seen in a variety of different sources, not one
county flipped to Kamala. A lot of you are skeptical
in twenty twenty when the election results came in, I
get it, eighty one million out of nowhere for Joe Biden.
But now that we have twenty twenty four and we
(10:38):
can consider the entire Trump era, we can look at
the twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four vote
totals as part of a larger mosaic. I don't believe
there's any way that Joe Biden legally got eighty one
million votes. I just don't, And some people are gonna say,
oh my goodness, you can't say it. My opinion is
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eighty one million. You have to raise a real eyebrow
when you look at twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four
and smack dab in the middle is twenty twenty. My
point on that for those January sixth defendants, I'm never
going to defend anybody for breaking the law because BLM,
you could be upset about what you believed was mistreatment
(11:22):
of George Floyd or whatever else, and that doesn't justify
you breaking the law. You could be upset about the
twenty twenty election. It doesn't justify you breaking the law.
But I definitely think a reassessment.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I think they're probably right about the eighty one million
not being cast legally. I don't know what percentage of them,
But the fact that Kamal is seven million fewer votes,
the fact that Trump went up two and a half
or three million votes, the Trump votes look a lot
more legit in the wake of twenty twenty four. The
twenty twenty Trump votes do than the twenty twenty Biden
(11:59):
votes do. I mean, if we had an honest media,
a lot more people would be saying, hey, let's just
look at the data. Does this add up. I'm just
saying I would pardon on day one, every single January
sixth defendant if I were Donald Trump, and I would
advise him to do so as well.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I think that he will. And if I'm wrong on
this one, I'll come on air and eat humble pie.
And you know, I think Trump will. I mean when
I say will, maybe it's going to be phase's individual cases,
but I think he's going to get there. I think
you're going to see almost all, if not all, January
six individuals pardoned or commuted, which I would also note
(12:38):
was another possibility for Hunter Biden. He didn't have to
pardon his son, right, he could have waited until well,
I guess it depends when the sentencing is. But theoretically, right,
he could have commuted any sentence that he can. You
commute preemptively. I've never seen that.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's a great point because they're trying to say, well Trump,
this is the argument they're now left with Trump part
his son in law's father, right, the Kushner father, But
he actually served all of his prison requirements. There's a
difference between pardoning someone after they've already served a punishment,
(13:17):
it basically just kind of cleans the deck. But you
actually did have to go and do some sort of penance.
Hunter didn't do anything right. Hunter has never had to
spend a night in a jail cell. Hunter has never
been handcuffed, to my knowledge, ever in his life.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
This is what I've said all along. Guy's not going
to spend a single day in prison, a single day
in jail guaranteed, and he has not. So, yeah, he
evaded a count. He evaded accountability entirely, one hundred percent
evasion of account unless you want to say.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Oh, but his public reputation.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
The guy's a crack addict. Public reputation you're talking about?
You know, it's insane, all right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I hope that some of those people who invested in
those paintings remember the guy who gave Hunter likee million dollars. Mm,
I don't know that was a good investment. Buck, I
would be a little.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Bit nervous to someone. You might see some of them
on eBay for like ten bucks. You know, just take it,
please take it anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
All right?
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Sexton them find them on the free iHeartRadio app or
wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. We're rolling through the Tuesday edition talking about
the lasting and substantial impact of Joe Biden's decision to
(16:36):
pardon his son Hunter, which I'm seeing a lot of
people actually analogize and discuss. That is the most far
reaching pardon that any president has provided since Nixon was
pardoned by Ford back when Ford took office. And if
(16:56):
you remember, Buck, many people out there, and some of
you are listening to us right now, said that essentially
the nineteen seventy six presidential election was won by Jimmy
Carter based on the decision that was made to pardon
Richard Nixon by four which probably was the right decision
for the country. But it would bring me back to
(17:18):
the question I asked before, who's advising Joe Biden? And
did he ask anyone at all about the impact and
what would occur if he did this? And he did
it now? And we'll talk about this when we come back,
because I do think it's interesting. Why not just wait
the sentencing. They weren't going to take Hunter out in cuffs,
They would bring him back to give him an actual
(17:39):
date when he was supposed to report. Why not go
ahead and just pardon a Hunter two days before? This
feels like a gigantic fu from Joe Biden to the
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Speaker 1 (18:51):
Do it today, Welcome back into clayand book. Just a
note and I'm sure our listeners, particularly on wor NYC,
are aware of this. The Penny trials underway. Daniel Penny
for the incident on the subway where he stepped in
the crazy guy shouting he's gonna kill everybody in the train.
(19:12):
Penny puts him in a headlock and then Jordan Neely
dies at the scene. Penny says he did not mean
to compress his neck and did not mean to use
lethal fours. The City of New York watching this very closely.
We will bring you any developments, any updates that we
see or hear on that as they come. In the meantime.
(19:36):
Also on the criminal justice front, Cash Patel named as
the likely next FBI director under Trump. I say likely
because there are a couple of things that have to happen.
One is, you've got Christopher Ray, who the Democrats like
so unfortunately, that's a huge strike against him. And there
are a lot of things I think you could say
(19:57):
the strikes against him. I think, if I remember correctly,
was he see the one who said anti FU is
an idea or something like that, not an organization. I
can't remember which FBI director said that, but anyway, I
think it was him a lot of strikes against him,
the usage of the FBI to terrorize pro life activists
who didn't hurt anybody, but you know block the access,
like stood in the way or you know, sat in
(20:19):
a hallway or something for abortion clinics. Things like that.
The FBI has been abused as a tool of politics
on his watch, and he's got to go. Trump can fight, Yes, sir,
I actually want your expert analysis on this, because I
meant to ask it yesterday.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You worked in the CIA. You know how big these
bureaucracies are. How much can the director or the leader
of an FBI or a CIA change the underlying dynamic
at play in bureaucracies these big, this big In other words,
what is reasonable to expect based on a new leader.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
That's a great question, and that's something that I've been
thinking thinking about a lot because of some of the
mandates that these incoming Trump cabinet officials have to really
shake things up. I mean, I think one of the
people who has the among the hardest jobs in the
incoming Trump administration would be Tulsa Gabbard at D and I,
because the entire Intel complex apparatus is very very good
(21:24):
at doing what it has always done and ignoring whoever's
in charge. Yeah, so I think at the FBI, and
I haven't worked at the FBI, so I'm just speaking
from colleagues and friends of mine who have been there
for many years. I think at the FBI, if you
have a director, I think you can set the tone
and the culture and that that filters down in substantial ways.
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But you have to be really clear about it, and
you have to be relentless, and if you're taking on
the system in some way, be ready for a lot
of slow role. People always say, what about the pushback
or the blowback? It's not that so much. It's they
just don't do what you tell them to do, and
dare you to do something about it? And that's very hard,
(22:09):
right if you know, when people defy you in a bureaucracy,
there can be consequences when people just say, yeah, I'm
on it, I'm working on it. You know what I'm
saying that that's the big challenge. So now Cash is
going to go in there. I think he's assuming he
gets in, which means he's got to get Republicans in
the Senate to go along with this. Remember we got
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Collins Murkowski. There's some very shaky votes right out of
the gate for anybody who's taking on the system. Clay
and I both said Cash is the guy that we
think should have the job. So that's we're on record.
That was before Trump announced this, so that that obviously stands. Clay.
I think he's going to run into some some substantial
pushback from people who are institutionalists or people who are
(22:55):
very much believers in the system. And the thing that
Cash is going to have to do is show them,
assuming he gets in, show them as FBI director, the
real hard proof that exists of the kinds of politicization
and weaponization that happened. Now, remember he built his name
alongside Devin Newnest looking into a Russia collusion, so he
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knows this stuff. It's not like he's coming in here.
I like Tulci a lot. I think she's a good person,
a good patriot and everything else. She does not know
the intel community. She's going to have a very hard
time in that job. It's not a knock on her.
It's just gonna be very tough. Cash knows where I
don't want to say where the bodies are buried, but
(23:38):
you know, he knows where the skeletons are hidden. I
guess that's kind of the same thing. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
My analysis, and I'm curious if you would sign on
to it is there are lots of good lower level
FBI guys and gals out there all over the country
that join the FBI because they want to catch bad guys.
And as you move up the food chain, the FBI,
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like many other organizations, becomes constrained by the bureaucracy, and
there are lots of guys and gals in the middle
tier and upper management that basically consider the FBI to
be their career job, and it doesn't matter who their
boss is. To your point, they can slow roll it.
Presidents only get four years. They got thirty and forty
(24:27):
year careers, and they are the impediment to actual justice
in the United States. It's not the seventy percent of
people that are going out there trying to catch bad
guys on a regular basis. It's the thirty percent in
management structure that is hard to get through. If you are.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Somebody who's taken over this organization, ron desentis is somebody
who understands what it is to go against the bureaucratic
blob in his case standing against the CDC during COVID
and the madness of Fauciism and all that, and also
really just whipping Florida into shape. I mean, not just
because I live here. This place. Florida just kind of
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adds to its awesomeness every year now, and it's because
a lot of great people from all over the country,
particularly the Northeastern corridor, have moved to Florida because they
want more of what Florida has been offering. So I'm
just saying Ron knows results. He's gotten results in his state,
and he understands what Cash Battel is up against. And
I wanted you to hear Governor DeSantis's analysis of Cash
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Battel at FBI Play fourteen.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Ashpattel understands the problems with the FBI, and he is
a reformer that will not be captured by the bureaucrats.
Contrast that to our current FBI Director Christopher Ray. We
remember when he got appointed back in twenty seventeen, he
immediately became a company man and was captured by that institution.
He has not reformed it in any way, shape or form.
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And so I actually think Cash has a lot of
very significant experience. That's important here, but put that aside.
You can be the smartest guy in the world. You
can have all this experience. If you don't understand that
the institution needs to be reformed. If you get captured,
then you're done. You're not gonna be effective.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, that's that's the whole game, right now, that's the whole,
the whole situation.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And this is why I would just reiterate, and I'm
gonna keep slamming it. I know you are. You got
to move fast and break things. And this is where
I worry a little bit. If you ask me, Okay, Clay,
what do you think about Elon and the they and
their attempt to make government more efficient?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
We all need that to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
My concern is, I so Elon is the best to
ever create rockets to go to space. He is the
best to ever reconsider how to make a vehicle propel itself.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
He replaced the combustion engine. He has done two things
already in his life that people would have said to him,
you are crazy if you're trying to do it. My
concern is, when you're an executive, you can break things
and move fast. That's why I liked running my own
media company, not because I made every decision perfectly, but
(27:20):
because sometimes even making the wrong decision is better than inertia.
It's so I hate meetings. I hate meetings in government
and big business. All you do is sit in meetings
all day and talk about ideas of things you might
do instead of actually doing them.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
My concern buck.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Is that Elon is just going to get impatient and
he's going to say this is so inefficient I can
do I can make things happen quicker in the private sector,
and he's just going to get burned out. And I
think that's why he's trying to get so many people
in positions and advocating for people who will move fast
and break things, because that's better than just sitting still.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I feel like Elon has signed up to be he
thinks the personal trainer for somebody who needs to lose
you know, twenty or thirty pounds, and the client's going
to show up on the first day and the client
where it weighs like twelve hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like I think he has.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No idea the scope and slovenly, you know, nature of
the federal governments. I mean, I shouldn't say no idea.
He obviously he's taking the song because he understands. But
I mean, once you get in and you start to
look under the hood, it's going to get really ugly
really fast. So I do have I have that concern
about Elon and I think with cash at at FBI,
(28:38):
it's critical that he moves very quickly because this is
all going to get bogged down in politics really fast,
meaning you know, members of Congress are going to start
to lose their sense of urgency, you know, sense of urgency.
Karay and I went to a very you know, it
was kind of a holiday treat fir Ust went to
(28:59):
a very nice restaurant, a fancy place in New York,
and we actually got a tour of the kitchen and
they said, yeah, it was per se. I've never been
before it is.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Are they fans of the show? Why did you get
the tour of the kitchen? That's a nice additional benefit.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Honestly, because my wife is pretty and very nice. I
think that was why.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
By the way, be it pretty and very nice can
get a woman very far. That's a very good combination.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I think they're like, she's pretty and she's very polite
and friendly to all the staff, so they gave us.
I bring it up though, because in this kitchen. This
is a three Michelin star restaurant, so there's only two
of them in New York City. And it look, you know,
I've never been before. We'd always wanted to go, we'd
never been to get a reservation. It's kind of a
it's a special occasion place. People are there for their birthdays,
people are there for anniversaries, right, and that's really the
(29:49):
And they had one plaque on the wall, just randomly
one thing, sense of urgency, and that really stuck out
in my mind because that is apt to operate at
that level. I know you're saying, oh, it's like a kitchen.
Whenever you're working in a kitchen, No, it can either
be a Swiss watch or it can be total chaos. Right,
(30:10):
this place was a Swiss watch at the highest level.
This place was absolute precision, no surprise, one of those
famous restaurants in the world, Thomas Keller Place. Sense of urgency.
That is what should be in every government office everywhere
in the country, for whatever the mission is, whether you're
a Department of Agriculture, and if it doesn't make sense
to you why you should have a sense of urgency.
(30:32):
You either shouldn't be working there or the place shouldn't exist,
you know what I mean. And that is what they're
going to be fighting in the whole federal bureaucracy.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, and that's my thing in general with what I'm
afraid Elon is going to run into is, you know,
move fast and break things. Is the dynamic of many
of you out there that are entrepreneurs. Try something, it
might work. If it doesn't, you can pivot and try
something else. That is the entire concept, and it's the
antithesis of everything that our government has come to represent.
(31:04):
And so that's my concern with gosh, it's my concern
with anybody taking over these agencies, even if you have
the right ideas. There is and this is one whorse
Trump got to completely write, there is a swamp that
doesn't really want to do anything, at least in business.
In theory, the goal is to make a profit.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't even know what the.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Goal is of most bit of most of.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Our government other than for those people to have jobs.
Like if you work at a for profit business, okay,
your job is to make money and create a bigger business.
That's very easy to understand. Everybody understands that concept. What
is the purpose of government? I don't know that there's
(31:50):
a good answer for huge swaths of our government.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You know Elon has has used this meme or has
reached me.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Did this meme?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
The whole office Base? The Two Bob's timeless for gen
X and millennials. Office Space a very powerful movie for
what it was, and the Two Bobs saying what would
you say you do here?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That Doge Office of.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Doge in that meme are getting a lot of use because, yeah,
if you work at the Federal Department of Education, what
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Sometimes the attacks people bring against you can actually serve
to solidify why you were the perfect choice in the
first place. This is what bucks favorite show MSNBC. He
is saying about Kosh Battel. Willie Geist on that show
(35:04):
said that Kosh Btel, well, let me just let you
hear what he had to say on Morning Joe about
the nomination of Kosh Btel to take over as the
head of the FBI.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Cash Pateel is a guy who is really the pure
distillation of Maga energy. He is a loyalist to the
end of Donald Trump. His entire being, his entire public persona,
his entire life has been run in the last decade
or so in support of Donald Trump and attacking his
perceived enemies. As you said in Perpetuating Conspiracy Theories, the
(35:37):
job of FBI director is deadly serious because their work.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, okay, whatever, we don't even hear his little the
pure distillation of Maga Clay. I mean, Cash is already
Trump's choice, like really doesn't have to sell him anymore.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I sometimes I wonder are they really trying to ensure
that these people get their jobs. I think I think
he's going to be confirmed. Obviously, there's a lot of
work to do there, it seems to me. Buck, I
know they've come after Pete hag Seth with everything they've got.
We'll talk a little bit about that in the third Hour.
But it seems to me that right now all of
(36:14):
Trump's nominees would be on track to be confirmed, and
we'll see what sort of dirty laundry they can dig up.
But what I would point out to all of you
is the fact that they're coming after some of these
guys so aggressively is to me the purest distillation of
evidence of why they should get the job. Because if
(36:34):
MSNBC is excited about the nomination, that's not somebody that
I want anywhere near these jobs.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
We'll talk about that and more. Thanks for hanging with us,
Third Hour. Next
All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and appreciate you being with us. I want to bring
you a little bit of the conversation on the CNN
side of the equation. I did watch over at MSNBC
this morning, and Clay, let's be honest, they kind of
need me, you know what I mean now all of
a sudden, being an MSNBC watcher is like being a
(00:22):
Florida voter circa two thousand. Like, oh man, they need
every single one they can get because every vote counts,
every viewer counts. Over there, they're having a rough one.
But I've also been seeing a lot of the way
they're trying to process this on CNN and the way
that they're trying to line up the arguments against now
(00:42):
they're really honed in. They've they made almost no noise
at all about Christy nom at DHS, which I think
is interesting. They're not she's not on the Democrats hate
list right now for nominees at all. They don't even
talk about it. Tom Homan, well Tom super duper qualify
to do exactly what he does, So you know, they
(01:03):
they can't go they can't go after qualifications at all.
What are they really going to say we don't like
him because he's going to actually enforce the law. Well,
that's like an advertisement for him. They're going after hag
Seth and they're going after cash Betel a lot, and
I don't think that they're breaking through with any new
arguments or or changing any people's minds about this. We
(01:25):
shall see though. In the meantime, it has been very
interesting over there as they try to deal with this
new reality and the reality this week of the Biden Pardon,
you had Jeffrey Tubin's.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
He is he back?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
At seeing I thought was he's back, He's back, He's back. Wow,
the infamous Tubin as perhaps he could be known. We
could come up with some other names, but this is
a family show, so we keep a family friendly on
the air. But Jeffrey Tubin the first thing you google
when you see tube and we'll make sure you have
your Google filters on Tubit is a famous guy for
(02:06):
certain reasons. Some people are saying famous guy certain reasons.
And here he is pointing out that j six pardons
because this is on the upside of the Hunter Biden Pardon,
other than us getting to marinate in their agony. This
week overlooking like such idiots in the media. Ooh, there's
never going to pardon his son. Yeah, we knew he would.
(02:29):
But Clay, the possibility of JA six pardons going up
substantially is also tied to this. This is cut seven
to the point about the January sixth people have been convicted.
Do you think this kind of opens the door for that?
It makes it more likely, and I think it already
was likely.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You know, they're fifteen hundred people convicted in the you know,
broad January sixth investigation. Whether he pardons every single one
of them or just several hundred, I think is is
certain most of them have already most of them have
completed their sentences or they weren't sent instead of prison in.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
The first place.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
But there are several hundreds still in prison, including some
for extreme crimes of violence. Will Trump pardon them all?
I don't know, But I think the likelihood of a
substantial number of pardons went up today because.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of what Biden did yesterday. I like that that's recognized
as a side effect, if you will, of the hunter
of Biden pardon McClay. Can I just point out there
are many people we've talked a lot to Julie Kelly
about this. We've covered this a lot on the show.
We've consistently been highlighting the unfair treatment, the unjust treatment
of j six individuals Justice involved individuals from the sixth
(03:42):
of January, perhaps we could call them, although it was
injustice that they got the fact that they were prosecuted
federally for trespassing. Yeah, is when you actually take a
step back and I know that it's been normalized for
this stuff to have into our side in the media,
and I know that we're supposed to think even though
(04:04):
we don't, we don't buy it, but you know, we're
supposed to think that in some way, this is you know,
the law is the law. People had the FBI raiding
their homes because they walked and we've seen the videos.
They walked into the Capitol building when a lot of
them were actually kind of waved through by Capitol Hill
police and they walked in and they took photos. I
(04:24):
mean there's that photo of them like respecting the ropes
in the Statuary Hall or whatever. I mean, we've seen
this stuff, and the FBI went and hunted them down
like they're members of al Qaida. They absolutely should be
part and they must be parted.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, And this is one where if they were asking
me advice, I told you what my advice would have
been for Joe Biden. Pardon Trump and when you're going
to pardon your son. This is one where I would
say to the Trump team, do everything on day one
remotely possible under your presidential powers.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Led the zone.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Because I don't want to be alarmist, but I think
the likelihood is you have to think about the trajectory
of where the country is headed. Democrats have a very
good chance of taking back the House in twenty twenty six.
Typically off president election years do not go well for
(05:21):
the party in power. We know that they have, to
a large extent, rigged many different blue states. Everybody wants
to say, oh, look at how unfair the jerrymandering is
in Florida or North Carolina. I mean, you got states
where it's almost impossible for Republicans to win any seats
(05:44):
at all. So both sides have jury rigged the House
such that it's almost impossible for the party that is
not in power in those states to get very many
seats at all. So we only have twenty five seats
that are actually in play in a four hundred and
thirty five seat House of Representatives. That's the reality. I
(06:06):
think there's a good chance, given it's going to be
two twenty to two fifteen, that they will flip three
seats take back control of the House. You've got to
do everything in the first year everything. I want every
Senator sleeping in Washington, DC every night. I want every
member of the House of Representatives sleeping every night in Washington,
(06:27):
d C. You've got basically a year to get everything done.
And a big part of this buck is you have
to pardon. I mean this clearly. I don't even want
anybody to misrepresent this. Every single January sixth defendant should
be pardoned on day one, every single one of them.
And this is important because they're going to say, what
(06:47):
about people who engaged in crimes of violence. They've been
over punished under DC law relative to what other violent
criminals are going to do.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Wipe it clean. If they were wearing BLM shirts and
sang in America's racist while they were punching the cops,
MSNBC would have been cheering for them. That's just the truth.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We all saw it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We saw it in twenty twenty. I witnessed this. We
witnessed this. It happened on my own block in the city.
I have not forgotten and I am not forgiving. This
needs to happen because there has been no accounting for
that disparity that occurring. People say, oh, it's about stopping
the peaceful transfer. Oh, you know, take a walk off.
It's over.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
This is with Buck Hunter Biden's pardon opened the door
to No, there's no counter argument anymore. Oh what about
January sixth, like Rachel Maddow like falling down like the
wicked witch of the West, which he gets water thrown
on her. Like they're all done, They're all done, Hunter Biden.
I think that's why they're so angry. Buck, the Hunter
(07:50):
Biden pardon cut their legs out from underneath.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You that what's the arguments they're supposed to make nowhere?
Where's this sort of sanctimonious lib who goes on TV,
Look it's about or to my we're really because I
think it's about your scumbag son raising tens of millions
of dollars illegally stashing it, not paying taxes on it,
money laundering it from China and Barisma, which we have
not forgotten about either. By the way, and of course
(08:14):
is covered by this part in you know, I think
we all know what was really going on here, but
also we're talking J six think for a second, Clay
about what we have been shown through actions over the
last twelve months. Donald Trump should face prison time thirty
(08:34):
seven count felony conviction. He should face prison time for
writing that an NDA payment that was legal was like
attorney fee instead of NDA fee or something on his
and didn't file it in the Election Committee U paperwork,
(08:55):
which was defrauding the American people, and therefore it's a felony.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's insane, it's insane. You can't even say with a
straight face that is conduct.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That Donald Trump should face the music for a federal prosecutor,
you know, a felony prosecution, not federal state. But and
then Hunter Biden should be able to sell out his
country with tens of millions of dollars collected as a
bagman for influence, pedaling illegally by a firearm, illegally used drugs,
illegally pay for prostitutes, and walk away scott free. That
(09:31):
is the justice system that these sanctimonious libs for years
now have been saying.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We stand in defense of and they know Clay.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Unless you are a totally deluded lunatic, you see this
for what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
How about also a reassessment of Jan six.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Eighty one million votes. A lot of the people who
showed up on Jan.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Six felt like Democrats cheated in the twenty twenty election,
maybe one hundred percent of them. Now that we've had
the twenty twenty four election and seven million fewer votes
for Kamala have come in the first time since nineteen
thirty two. This is the data that I have seen,
(10:16):
and if the team can confirm at one hundred percent,
I've seen in a variety of different sources, not one
county flipped to Kamala. A lot of you are skeptical
in twenty twenty when the election results came in, I
get it, eighty one million out of nowhere for Joe Biden.
But now that we have twenty twenty four and we
(10:38):
can consider the entire Trump era, we can look at
the twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four vote
totals as part of a larger mosaic. I don't believe
there's any way that Joe Biden legally got eighty one
million votes. I just don't, And some people are gonna say,
oh my goodness, you can't say it. My opinion is
(11:01):
eighty one million. You have to raise a real eyebrow
when you look at twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four
and smack dab in the middle is twenty twenty. My
point on that for those January sixth defendants, I'm never
going to defend anybody for breaking the law because BLM,
you could be upset about what you believed was mistreatment
(11:22):
of George Floyd or whatever else, and that doesn't justify
you breaking the law. You could be upset about the
twenty twenty election. It doesn't justify you breaking the law.
But I definitely think a reassessment.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I think they're probably right about the eighty one million
not being cast legally. I don't know what percentage of them,
But the fact that Kamal is seven million fewer votes,
the fact that Trump went up two and a half
or three million votes, the Trump votes look a lot
more legit in the wake of twenty twenty four. The
twenty twenty Trump votes do than the twenty twenty Biden
(11:59):
votes do. I mean, if we had an honest media,
a lot more people would be saying, hey, let's just
look at the data. Does this add up. I'm just
saying I would pardon on day one, every single January
sixth defendant if I were Donald Trump, and I would
advise him to do so as well.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I think that he will. And if I'm wrong on
this one, I'll come on air and eat humble pie.
And you know, I think Trump will. I mean when
I say will, maybe it's going to be phase's individual cases,
but I think he's going to get there. I think
you're going to see almost all, if not all, January
six individuals pardoned or commuted, which I would also note
(12:38):
was another possibility for Hunter Biden. He didn't have to
pardon his son, right, he could have waited until well,
I guess it depends when the sentencing is. But theoretically, right,
he could have commuted any sentence that he can. You
commute preemptively. I've never seen that.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's a great point because they're trying to say, well Trump,
this is the argument they're now left with Trump part
his son in law's father, right, the Kushner father, But
he actually served all of his prison requirements. There's a
difference between pardoning someone after they've already served a punishment,
(13:17):
it basically just kind of cleans the deck. But you
actually did have to go and do some sort of penance.
Hunter didn't do anything right. Hunter has never had to
spend a night in a jail cell. Hunter has never
been handcuffed, to my knowledge, ever in his life.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
This is what I've said all along. Guy's not going
to spend a single day in prison, a single day
in jail guaranteed, and he has not. So, yeah, he
evaded a count. He evaded accountability entirely, one hundred percent
evasion of account unless you want to say.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Oh, but his public reputation.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
The guy's a crack addict. Public reputation you're talking about?
You know, it's insane, all right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I hope that some of those people who invested in
those paintings remember the guy who gave Hunter likee million dollars. Mm,
I don't know that was a good investment. Buck, I
would be a little.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Bit nervous to someone. You might see some of them
on eBay for like ten bucks. You know, just take it,
please take it anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
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Luck in Thoughts at a time Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton them find them on the free iHeartRadio app or
wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out
with us. We're rolling through the Tuesday edition talking about
the lasting and substantial impact of Joe Biden's decision to
(16:36):
pardon his son Hunter, which I'm seeing a lot of
people actually analogize and discuss. That is the most far
reaching pardon that any president has provided since Nixon was
pardoned by Ford back when Ford took office. And if
(16:56):
you remember, Buck, many people out there, and some of
you are listening to us right now, said that essentially
the nineteen seventy six presidential election was won by Jimmy
Carter based on the decision that was made to pardon
Richard Nixon by four which probably was the right decision
for the country. But it would bring me back to
(17:18):
the question I asked before, who's advising Joe Biden? And
did he ask anyone at all about the impact and
what would occur if he did this? And he did
it now? And we'll talk about this when we come back,
because I do think it's interesting. Why not just wait
the sentencing. They weren't going to take Hunter out in cuffs,
They would bring him back to give him an actual
(17:39):
date when he was supposed to report. Why not go
ahead and just pardon a Hunter two days before? This
feels like a gigantic fu from Joe Biden to the
entirety of the Democrat Party. We'll talk about that and
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Speaker 1 (18:51):
Do it today, Welcome back into clayand book. Just a
note and I'm sure our listeners, particularly on wor NYC,
are aware of this. The Penny trials underway. Daniel Penny
for the incident on the subway where he stepped in
the crazy guy shouting he's gonna kill everybody in the train.
(19:12):
Penny puts him in a headlock and then Jordan Neely
dies at the scene. Penny says he did not mean
to compress his neck and did not mean to use
lethal fours. The City of New York watching this very closely.
We will bring you any developments, any updates that we
see or hear on that as they come. In the meantime.
(19:36):
Also on the criminal justice front, Cash Patel named as
the likely next FBI director under Trump. I say likely
because there are a couple of things that have to happen.
One is, you've got Christopher Ray, who the Democrats like
so unfortunately, that's a huge strike against him. And there
are a lot of things I think you could say
(19:57):
the strikes against him. I think, if I remember correctly,
was he see the one who said anti FU is
an idea or something like that, not an organization. I
can't remember which FBI director said that, but anyway, I
think it was him a lot of strikes against him,
the usage of the FBI to terrorize pro life activists
who didn't hurt anybody, but you know block the access,
like stood in the way or you know, sat in
(20:19):
a hallway or something for abortion clinics. Things like that.
The FBI has been abused as a tool of politics
on his watch, and he's got to go. Trump can fight, Yes, sir,
I actually want your expert analysis on this, because I
meant to ask it yesterday.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You worked in the CIA. You know how big these
bureaucracies are. How much can the director or the leader
of an FBI or a CIA change the underlying dynamic
at play in bureaucracies these big, this big In other words,
what is reasonable to expect based on a new leader.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
That's a great question, and that's something that I've been
thinking thinking about a lot because of some of the
mandates that these incoming Trump cabinet officials have to really
shake things up. I mean, I think one of the
people who has the among the hardest jobs in the
incoming Trump administration would be Tulsa Gabbard at D and I,
because the entire Intel complex apparatus is very very good
(21:24):
at doing what it has always done and ignoring whoever's
in charge. Yeah, so I think at the FBI, and
I haven't worked at the FBI, so I'm just speaking
from colleagues and friends of mine who have been there
for many years. I think at the FBI, if you
have a director, I think you can set the tone
and the culture and that that filters down in substantial ways.
(21:47):
But you have to be really clear about it, and
you have to be relentless, and if you're taking on
the system in some way, be ready for a lot
of slow role. People always say, what about the pushback
or the blowback? It's not that so much. It's they
just don't do what you tell them to do, and
dare you to do something about it? And that's very hard,
(22:09):
right if you know, when people defy you in a bureaucracy,
there can be consequences when people just say, yeah, I'm
on it, I'm working on it. You know what I'm
saying that that's the big challenge. So now Cash is
going to go in there. I think he's assuming he
gets in, which means he's got to get Republicans in
the Senate to go along with this. Remember we got
(22:30):
Collins Murkowski. There's some very shaky votes right out of
the gate for anybody who's taking on the system. Clay
and I both said Cash is the guy that we
think should have the job. So that's we're on record.
That was before Trump announced this, so that that obviously stands. Clay.
I think he's going to run into some some substantial
pushback from people who are institutionalists or people who are
(22:55):
very much believers in the system. And the thing that
Cash is going to have to do is show them,
assuming he gets in, show them as FBI director, the
real hard proof that exists of the kinds of politicization
and weaponization that happened. Now, remember he built his name
alongside Devin Newnest looking into a Russia collusion, so he
(23:18):
knows this stuff. It's not like he's coming in here.
I like Tulci a lot. I think she's a good person,
a good patriot and everything else. She does not know
the intel community. She's going to have a very hard
time in that job. It's not a knock on her.
It's just gonna be very tough. Cash knows where I
don't want to say where the bodies are buried, but
(23:38):
you know, he knows where the skeletons are hidden. I
guess that's kind of the same thing. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
My analysis, and I'm curious if you would sign on
to it is there are lots of good lower level
FBI guys and gals out there all over the country
that join the FBI because they want to catch bad guys.
And as you move up the food chain, the FBI,
(24:04):
like many other organizations, becomes constrained by the bureaucracy, and
there are lots of guys and gals in the middle
tier and upper management that basically consider the FBI to
be their career job, and it doesn't matter who their
boss is. To your point, they can slow roll it.
Presidents only get four years. They got thirty and forty
(24:27):
year careers, and they are the impediment to actual justice
in the United States. It's not the seventy percent of
people that are going out there trying to catch bad
guys on a regular basis. It's the thirty percent in
management structure that is hard to get through. If you are.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Somebody who's taken over this organization, ron desentis is somebody
who understands what it is to go against the bureaucratic
blob in his case standing against the CDC during COVID
and the madness of Fauciism and all that, and also
really just whipping Florida into shape. I mean, not just
because I live here. This place. Florida just kind of
(25:09):
adds to its awesomeness every year now, and it's because
a lot of great people from all over the country,
particularly the Northeastern corridor, have moved to Florida because they
want more of what Florida has been offering. So I'm
just saying Ron knows results. He's gotten results in his state,
and he understands what Cash Battel is up against. And
I wanted you to hear Governor DeSantis's analysis of Cash
(25:31):
Battel at FBI Play fourteen.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Ashpattel understands the problems with the FBI, and he is
a reformer that will not be captured by the bureaucrats.
Contrast that to our current FBI Director Christopher Ray. We
remember when he got appointed back in twenty seventeen, he
immediately became a company man and was captured by that institution.
He has not reformed it in any way, shape or form.
(25:54):
And so I actually think Cash has a lot of
very significant experience. That's important here, but put that aside.
You can be the smartest guy in the world. You
can have all this experience. If you don't understand that
the institution needs to be reformed. If you get captured,
then you're done. You're not gonna be effective.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, that's that's the whole game, right now, that's the whole,
the whole situation.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And this is why I would just reiterate, and I'm
gonna keep slamming it. I know you are. You got
to move fast and break things. And this is where
I worry a little bit. If you ask me, Okay, Clay,
what do you think about Elon and the they and
their attempt to make government more efficient?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
We all need that to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
My concern is, I so Elon is the best to
ever create rockets to go to space. He is the
best to ever reconsider how to make a vehicle propel itself.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
He replaced the combustion engine. He has done two things
already in his life that people would have said to him,
you are crazy if you're trying to do it. My
concern is, when you're an executive, you can break things
and move fast. That's why I liked running my own
media company, not because I made every decision perfectly, but
(27:20):
because sometimes even making the wrong decision is better than inertia.
It's so I hate meetings. I hate meetings in government
and big business. All you do is sit in meetings
all day and talk about ideas of things you might
do instead of actually doing them.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
My concern buck.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Is that Elon is just going to get impatient and
he's going to say this is so inefficient I can
do I can make things happen quicker in the private sector,
and he's just going to get burned out. And I
think that's why he's trying to get so many people
in positions and advocating for people who will move fast
and break things, because that's better than just sitting still.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I feel like Elon has signed up to be he
thinks the personal trainer for somebody who needs to lose
you know, twenty or thirty pounds, and the client's going
to show up on the first day and the client
where it weighs like twelve hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like I think he has.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No idea the scope and slovenly, you know, nature of
the federal governments. I mean, I shouldn't say no idea.
He obviously he's taking the song because he understands. But
I mean, once you get in and you start to
look under the hood, it's going to get really ugly
really fast. So I do have I have that concern
about Elon and I think with cash at at FBI,
(28:38):
it's critical that he moves very quickly because this is
all going to get bogged down in politics really fast,
meaning you know, members of Congress are going to start
to lose their sense of urgency, you know, sense of urgency.
Karay and I went to a very you know, it
was kind of a holiday treat fir Ust went to
(28:59):
a very nice restaurant, a fancy place in New York,
and we actually got a tour of the kitchen and
they said, yeah, it was per se. I've never been
before it is.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Are they fans of the show? Why did you get
the tour of the kitchen? That's a nice additional benefit.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Honestly, because my wife is pretty and very nice. I
think that was why.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
By the way, be it pretty and very nice can
get a woman very far. That's a very good combination.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I think they're like, she's pretty and she's very polite
and friendly to all the staff, so they gave us.
I bring it up though, because in this kitchen. This
is a three Michelin star restaurant, so there's only two
of them in New York City. And it look, you know,
I've never been before. We'd always wanted to go, we'd
never been to get a reservation. It's kind of a
it's a special occasion place. People are there for their birthdays,
people are there for anniversaries, right, and that's really the
(29:49):
And they had one plaque on the wall, just randomly
one thing, sense of urgency, and that really stuck out
in my mind because that is apt to operate at
that level. I know you're saying, oh, it's like a kitchen.
Whenever you're working in a kitchen, No, it can either
be a Swiss watch or it can be total chaos. Right,
(30:10):
this place was a Swiss watch at the highest level.
This place was absolute precision, no surprise, one of those
famous restaurants in the world, Thomas Keller Place. Sense of urgency.
That is what should be in every government office everywhere
in the country, for whatever the mission is, whether you're
a Department of Agriculture, and if it doesn't make sense
to you why you should have a sense of urgency.
(30:32):
You either shouldn't be working there or the place shouldn't exist,
you know what I mean. And that is what they're
going to be fighting in the whole federal bureaucracy.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, and that's my thing in general with what I'm
afraid Elon is going to run into is, you know,
move fast and break things. Is the dynamic of many
of you out there that are entrepreneurs. Try something, it
might work. If it doesn't, you can pivot and try
something else. That is the entire concept, and it's the
antithesis of everything that our government has come to represent.
(31:04):
And so that's my concern with gosh, it's my concern
with anybody taking over these agencies, even if you have
the right ideas. There is and this is one whorse
Trump got to completely write, there is a swamp that
doesn't really want to do anything, at least in business.
In theory, the goal is to make a profit.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't even know what the.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Goal is of most bit of most of.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Our government other than for those people to have jobs.
Like if you work at a for profit business, okay,
your job is to make money and create a bigger business.
That's very easy to understand. Everybody understands that concept. What
is the purpose of government? I don't know that there's
(31:50):
a good answer for huge swaths of our government.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You know Elon has has used this meme or has
reached me.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Did this meme?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
The whole office Base? The Two Bob's timeless for gen
X and millennials. Office Space a very powerful movie for
what it was, and the Two Bobs saying what would
you say you do here?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That Doge Office of.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Doge in that meme are getting a lot of use because, yeah,
if you work at the Federal Department of Education, what
would you say you do here? And we're gonna speak
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Sometimes the attacks people bring against you can actually serve
to solidify why you were the perfect choice in the
first place. This is what bucks favorite show MSNBC. He
is saying about Kosh Battel. Willie Geist on that show
(35:04):
said that Kosh Btel, well, let me just let you
hear what he had to say on Morning Joe about
the nomination of Kosh Btel to take over as the
head of the FBI.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Cash Pateel is a guy who is really the pure
distillation of Maga energy. He is a loyalist to the
end of Donald Trump. His entire being, his entire public persona,
his entire life has been run in the last decade
or so in support of Donald Trump and attacking his
perceived enemies. As you said in Perpetuating Conspiracy Theories, the
(35:37):
job of FBI director is deadly serious because their work.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, okay, whatever, we don't even hear his little the
pure distillation of Maga Clay. I mean, Cash is already
Trump's choice, like really doesn't have to sell him anymore.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I sometimes I wonder are they really trying to ensure
that these people get their jobs. I think I think
he's going to be confirmed. Obviously, there's a lot of
work to do there, it seems to me. Buck, I
know they've come after Pete hag Seth with everything they've got.
We'll talk a little bit about that in the third Hour.
But it seems to me that right now all of
(36:14):
Trump's nominees would be on track to be confirmed, and
we'll see what sort of dirty laundry they can dig up.
But what I would point out to all of you
is the fact that they're coming after some of these
guys so aggressively is to me the purest distillation of
evidence of why they should get the job. Because if
(36:34):
MSNBC is excited about the nomination, that's not somebody that
I want anywhere near these jobs.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
We'll talk about that and more. Thanks for hanging with us,
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