December 4, 2024 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in an Hour number two Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
As we are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program,
we're talking about the drama surrounding the attacks on Pete Hegseth. Also,
and I think this could turn into a big story
in New York. A prominent healthcare executive. It appears basically
assassinated outside of a midtown New York hotel. They are
(00:31):
chasing after whoever might have done this as we are
speaking to you. Also, the Daniel Penny deliberations continue. The
former marine who was charged with what is the officially
charged with negligent homicide?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is that based in voluntary manslaughter? Involuntary manslaughter? Well, actually
there's two. There's a higher charge and a lesser charge.
I believe the lesser is involuntary manslaughter, but I.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Have to check lower standards of basically that is underway.
Deliberations in that jury going on. There also is a
really important Supreme Court case that has been argued, and
I'm not sure if they've officially finished or not, but
it is close to being done about what is and
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what is not permissible when it comes to healthcare for
miners related to gender related issues. And I'm trying to
avoid using the phrase buck gender affirming care because it
just sounds so orwellian to me. Basically, this is an
easy question for me, and I would imagine for many
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of you as well. Should a minor be able to
have surgery that permanently alters his or her body based
on the idea that they are a different gender than
their biology. My answer for that, as a parent and
also just as someone who is a citizen of the
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state of Tennessee is no. I believe my state, Tennessee
actually made the right choice when they said we're not
going to allow this to happen for minors. I think
Buck twenty some odd states have also agreed, So the
implication here is not just for Tennessee. Now, the Biden
administration says all the time, anytime these kind of stories
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come up.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Why do you care?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It doesn't happen very often, for instance with women in
men's sports or sorry, men and women's sports. Here, the
Biden administration is specifically arguing the state of Tennessee does
not have the right to say miners can't have these
gender altering lifetime surgeries.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That seems highly rational to me.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Again, the analogy that I've made, I know you push
back on it a bit buck in terms of but
they're claiming it's healthcare. But we do things all the
time that don't allow miners to alter their body. For instance,
most states out there, you couldn't be fourteen and go
get a tattoo. Your parent could actually be charged with
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a crime if they decided that they wanted to take
you to get a tattoo. In other words, parents can't
even consent to tattoos. The idea being that children shouldn't
have permanent alterations to their body in the form of
a tattoo, because miners aren't able to make rational, legitimate
decisions about things such as that. Once you're over eighteen,
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you can make.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
A choice like that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Right, we restrict access to many different things based on age.
This seems highly legitimate and reasonable. If you want to,
after the age of eighteen, change your gender via surgery,
and by the way, you can't change your gender, but
you can't alter your body's appearance so that you appear
to be one gender different than the one you.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Were, maybe that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think most people probably agree that's Okay, even though
I doubt that very often that makes people much happier.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's my personal opinion. But the idea that.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
A child should be able to do this is beyond
the pale to me, and many children out there are
making the decision that all of this is crazy, and
so there's a pushback against it, but the Biden administration
is arguing that it shouldn't be possible. Katanji Brown Jackson
Buck in the oral argument, I believe we have this audio.
(04:32):
Compare not allowing children to have these gender surgeries, get
puberty blockers, get your boobs chopped off, for lack of
a better way to describe it, to banning interracial marriage
by a state.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Listen to this argument. Listen to this audio.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
The question was whether it was discriminatory because it applied
to both races and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.
But you know, as I read the statue here, excuse
me the case here. You know, the court starts off
by saying that Virginia is now one of sixteen states
which prohibit and punished marriages on the basis of racial classifications.
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And when you look at the structure of that law,
it looks in terms of incontinuing you can't do something
that is inconsistent with your own characteristics is sort of
the same thing. So it's interesting to me that we
now have this different argument, And I wonder whether Virginia
could have gotten away with what they did here by
just making a classification argument the way that Tennessee is
(05:30):
in this.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Case, she's a moron. Buck.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I'm sorry to make that argument. There are all sorts
of restrictions all over the United States on the age
at which you can get married. You can't consent to
your twelve year old getting married, to my knowledge, in
any state in America.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Some states might allow you to get married at sixteen,
some say seventeen eighteen age of consent laws v. This
is all true, but it's all under the premise that
age does have some impact when it comes to all
of our cognition and every single person out there listening
to us right now, Buck, a lot of us had
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moronic ideas when we were thirteen or fourteen years old.
Thankfully we weren't able to act on them fifteen sixteen.
The idea that you would try to compare this to
banning interracial marriage is so moronic that it actually makes
my head hurt. This is so many lies put together
that it is almost overwhelming when you try to address it.
(06:37):
You start with they keep calling this healthcare. And to
call this healthcare just because.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It involves scalpels and surgery would be to also say
that somebody who has body identity disorder or somebody who
has the mental health condition where they really want to
have their limb removed. This is a real thing, everybody.
(07:07):
It's a real thing. You can look this up. I
feel like I would be happier if you just took
my arm off. I want to do it safely and medically. Doctor,
please remove my healthy arm. And he's saying. Doctor who
believes in their oath and believes in their craft is
going to say no, I'm not going to surgically remove
your healthy arm. Okay, calling it health care doesn't make
(07:29):
it healthcare. It's not healthy when you look at the
long term outcome. By the way, the long term term
outcome data, if it was good, you would know all
about it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It is incredibly bleak, especially for people who start as
they are minors, because of the physiological changes that occur.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Not only are you changing your parts. If you are
an adult, Clay, you're changing the basic hormonal biochemistry of
you as a human being at the critical time for
you to become an adult. It is irreversible and it
is damaging. Okay, this is irreversible damage over the long term.
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And then you add to that it is not even
possible based on the realities of science. You cannot become
a woman. If you could become a woman as a man,
you would be able to have babies. Men straight do
all of these things. Modern medicine cannot do that. As
many miracles it can have. The whole idea of a
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gender transition is a fallacy. It is not real.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
If it was real, we wouldn't have trans women. We
would just have women, men and women. Why do we
call them transwomen? Because there's something distinct, there's something different,
there's something physiologically separate. And this is not even getting
into the specifics of this law in this case where
they want to make it so that this is something
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that the medical system is pushing on minors, and in
addition to pushing it on miners, they push it on parents.
And beyond that, I think when you see what's really
at the root of all this, they're trying to create
an additional class of protected person, which is yeah, by
(09:21):
the way, I said, body integrity dysphoria, right, that's something Yeah,
healthy limb remove that's what that's right. That's the team
was checking me on that one. It's a real thing.
You can look it up. It's in the DSM. I mean,
it's reality. People have this and they need psycheatric help.
They need psychiatric assistance, which, by the way, was the
medical diagnosis for people who thought they should change their
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gender for a.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Very long time.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And if you look at the person who is in
charge of gender transitions for decades at Johns Hopkins University
Medical System, which was the epicenter of gender transition surgery
for many many years, he's written about this publicly. Now now,
of course, you know he's quieter, he's maybe even change
his mind because of all the death threats and all
the activists and the lunatics going after him. You know
what he found claim they shouldn't have been doing it. Yeah,
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it doesn't help people, It doesn't do the thing that
they are told it will do. So you know, I mean,
if you're gonna do this because people really want it,
you should also be willing to say people should be
able to have both their legs removed or be intentionally paralyzed,
because that is a psychiatric condition that also involves a
medical procedure that we know is not something you should
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go along with.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And I think uniquely here the fact that these are
miners matters a great deal. We restrict the activity of
miners massively all over the country. You can't drive a
car by yourself in most parts of the United States
unless you are sixteen years old at least. You can't
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go out and buy a magazine that has pornography in
it unless you are eighteen years old. I mean, think
about this just construct in general. We are saying as
a state, we don't think it's right, and I'm speaking
as many different states right for an eighteen year old
to be able to sorry a sixteen year old to
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be able to buy a Playboy magazine.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Many of you out.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
There, if you are around my age or Buck's age,
back in the day, getting your hands on a Playboy
magazine when you were a teenage boy was a tremendous goal.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It was prohibited.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You were not allowed to look, by and large at
a naked female body in a magazine until you were
over the age of eighteen. That was the choice that
most states still have on the books. I know the
Internet has changed a lot of this, but let's talk
about the law. You're simultaneously arguing, Yes, the state should
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have the ability to regulate what kids can see, but
the state eight shouldn't have the ability to regulate what
body parts of a child can be removed. So think
about this. I mean, it's a relatively easy analogy. It's
too damaging for a sixteen year old boy to see
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a bear breast in a magazine such that we will
not allow that magazine to be purchased. But a sixteen
year old girl should be able to remove her breast
for life because she thinks she's a different gender than
she is. Like again, the minor aspect of this is
so key because I don't agree with these gender reassignment
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surgery ideas. But if you're over the age of eighteen,
I think adults should be able to make bad decisions.
They should have the freedom to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Well, the freedom to do that position, unfortunately has resulted
in them now saying I'm actually a woman and I'm
now going to be treated as a woman under law.
So the freedom to do this, just give me the
free them to do this is always now tied to
I'm actually now a different person, and you have you
have to be awfully, you have to be a part
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of my lie. So unfortunately are you know, the feeling
of wanted to be kind and wanted to be courteous
to our fellow human beings, our fellow Americans, has led
us down this pathway of two hundred and fifty pound
dudes who grow their hair long, paint their fingernails and
say I'm missus so and so, and that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And and to your point, by the way, like you
can't sell your kidney, right like, we don't allow you
as a person out there in America, Like we were
strict in many ways what you can do from a
medical position when it comes to your body, right like,
in many ways, but in particular, you can't sell a
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kidd I think your argument is an interesting one that
we've basically just given far too much into this craziness
of Jennice.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
For we need to I don't just want to make
this about miners. We need to start speaking the truth
about the whole thing. They're not becoming by the way,
it's overwhelmingly men who want to be women. I know
in this case, I think it's a you know, the
person the lawyer for the ACLU is a woman who
now is presenting as a man. By the way, not
fooling me. Okay, it's not a man.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
This is the other part of this too. How long
do we have to sit around and play this game
where you can't even tell? No, I can tell. I
can tell. And I'm sick of having to lie about this, Okay,
I'm sick of having people try. And by the way,
I don't lie about it, but I mean we're supposed
to lie about it. We're supposed to go along with it.
I will, in the words of Souls and eats and
(14:38):
live not by lies. This whole trans thing lies lies
across the board.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, but the idea minimum that the Biden administration is
trying to stop miners from having these trying to ensure
that all miners can have these surgeries in every state
is crazy. And this is an important decision, and it
just got to argue spring Court. I wanted to make
sure we addressed it.
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Speaker 3 (16:12):
All right, welcome back in, you know Matt Walsh from
Daily Wires outside the Courtroom right now or for Miners
to National Prominence and and he's done, you know, just
really profoundly important work on this. And I think that
we'll we'll play some of what he had to say
for you.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You can hear it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But Clay, this is just a reminder, you know, the
the you know, he's for you, she's for they them.
And there was this feeling a little bit I think
of triumphalism on the transagenda issue on the right of
how it went too far and all the rest. I
got to tell you, uh, they're they're gonna come back
with all this stuff. They really are, you know, they're
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they have not given up. And however the Supreme Court
case goes, this is a this this is a vanguard
issue for the progressives, for the left wing of the
Democrat Party, which runs a Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I can't believe that they're doubling and tripling down on, Hey,
we have to make sure that people who are not
really the gender that they are, that we all tell
them that they are. But this argument is crazy. That's
happening today in the Supreme Court. I would encourage you
(17:29):
guys to go research it, go look it up. I
mean again, minors are banned from all different sorts of
things all over the country.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
The idea that we.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Would want irreversible surgery taking place inside the state of
Tennessee to be as crazy as a citizen. The ACLU
lawyer Clay said that two year olds know they're trends.
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Speaker 2 (18:59):
Appreciate all of you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
For rolling with us this chaos and craziness inside the
Supreme Court over child gender mutilation.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think it's fair to call it that. It actually is.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Important for you to understand how crazy some of these
arguments have become. The ACLU lawyer who are who is
challenging these issues says, basically kids, which cut is it?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Where?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He says, kid? I mean this whole thing is crazy, Buck,
But cut one? He says, basically infants young toddlers know
what gender they are and if they're a different, listen
to this, listen to cut one.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Nobody has to provide this medication to adolescents. These are
not doctors being forced to provide this medication. These are
doctors who are wanting to treat their patients in the
best way that they know how they based on the
best available evidence to us. And these are young people
who may have known since they were two years old
exactly who they are, who suffered for six seven years
before they had any relief. And what's happening here. It's
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not the kids who are consenting to this treatment, it's
the parents who are consenting to the treatment. And as
a parent, I would say we when our children are suffering,
we are suffering. And these are parents who love their children,
who are listening to the advice of their doctors, of
the mainstream medical community, and doing what's right for their kids.
In the state of Tennessee has displaced their judgment.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean two year old.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I mean it's important again to understand how crazy these
arguments are.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You will soon have a two year old. You will
hear your two year old make some truly outrageous arguments.
A lot of two year olds think they are dinosaurs.
Many two year olds out there think that they are
that they are ghosts or goblins or jedis. The idea
that you would treat your two year old's determination about
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what gender he or she is as the truth is
bonkers for anyone that has ever raised a two year old.
This is what they're arguing.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Though.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know, people talk about the military industrial complex, and
that's that's obviously fair and important to be aware of
and to be on guard against. There's also a sort
of gender activist industrial complex, if you will. There's a
lot of money, time and effort from a whole range
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of NGOs, a whole range of nonprofits, and and then
you know things that are funded even by government dollars,
that people don't even know about, that are very in
need of the next civil rights crusade. Right in the
aftermath of the Supreme Court's gay marriage decision, there was
this huge apparatus of people who feel a need both
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for financial, professional reasons and personal reasons, I guess, to
find the next crusade for them to make illegal and
cultural and political issue, and they have chosen this issue
of trans as the thing and I think you have
to see how that fits into everything else that they
are doing and the reason that they are saying. So,
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I just want to be clear, there's a big machine
behind this. And so when they say, oh, mainstream doctors,
when this woman says that mainstream doctors are transman, fine
trans man, we can say says that mainstream doctors want
to do this. Well, there are ideologues in medicine. There
are also people who don't want to get their medical
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licenses revoked. If you said masks don't work, you are
in danger of losing your medical license during COVID Masks
don't work. We know that now, unless you're a moron,
you figured that out right. But medicine has been institutionally
shockingly wrong, shockingly bureaucratic, and grotesquely cowardly in the COVID
era because of the machinery that pushes these decisions, the
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fauciism behind all of it. With the trans issue, Clay,
you look at the doctors are saying, and they won't
subject themselves to public scrutiny over these issues.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Why is it a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
When Matt Walsh was finding out about the gender surgeries
that were going on in these different hospitals.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Why is that an issue?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's not an issue when they find out about how
many heart surgeries are going on, if it's just medical care,
why don't they want to talk about it. Why don't
they want us to know more about what's going on here?
Why aren't their long term studies posted on our website
for everybody to see about psychiatric wellness? Ten years after
a thirteen year old girl has her breasts removed because
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it's very, very bad. They are hiding, they are lying,
and it is obvious to anyone who's being being paid
attention to all this issue, has paid attention on this issue,
And I mean this fundamentally just manifests itself with we
are supposed to look at Riley Gaines and what was
the name of the guy, well, you, Marr, I don't
remember his name. Leah Thomas. Leah Thomas will Thomas.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Was his name when he swam for the University of
Pennsylvania men's team. He then changed his name to Leah
and said he was a woman Clay just dead.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Named I'm honestly, I'm just so sad now he's dead
named someone. Yeah, Leah Thomas, You're supposed to look at
a six foot three men with a penis and say
that's a woman, And I'm sorry, I just won't and
I refuse. And people can get mad and they can
say that's mean, and they can say whatever, it's not true,
and people can try to force me to say things
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that are not true. But I am always going to
have a problem with that and I'm going to refuse.
And the idea that two year olds know they are trans,
I mean, I ask the trans advocates this, So can
people realized they're entrans because that is a thing too.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, So how can you be.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Born with something that is immutable and needs to be
a constitutionally protected characteristic. If you can go the other way,
if you can go back, you can say I made
a mistake. This is this is a shike, you know.
It's by the way, the detransitioning thing is something they
absolutely they pretend it doesn't exist, but it is real.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And what they do here, what they're doing, what they're
trying to do kids as monstrous. Tennessee did the right
thing by trying to remember they're not even stopping this
for adults. There's a whole other thing that should be
the conversation about should adults even be doing this? I mean,
having their legal right to do it is one question.
Being encouraged by society to do it is another. I mean,
if you find out clay what it looks like for
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people who have they call it bottom surgery. It is
an unhealing wound.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That has to be give sick to think about, right,
like the physics of it and the physicality of what
it requires.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
But you can think about.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It, it can't happen. Someone could say I want to
become a zebra, and you could do a lot of
things to them, but you actually cannot create a zebra
out of a human being. You actually cannot create a
woman out of a man. It is not possible. Again,
it is a lie. And so that's really where you
see the lies pile the top lies here. And they've
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used courtesy and they have used decency, and they have
used kindness to push this issue to the point where
now they want a decree from the Supreme Court that
nobody can stand in the way of a thirteen year
old girl who's or boy or whatever, who is learning
about life, who knows nothing, who's not legally allowed to drink,
who's not legally allowed to consent to sexual activity. Who's
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not legally allowed to get a tattoo, as you point out,
but get your breasts removed or it could take puberty blockers.
It is insane what is going on. And we will
not get a single medical doctor, by the way, who'd
be willing to come on the show and actually defend
these processes, these procedures other than just to say I'm
a doctor and I just do what the medicine is.
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They won't describe what really goes on well.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And also this is important too. I think there's a
lot of blackmail intellectually that's going on here because what
they say to parents, they take advantage of parental love
and acquiescence in many ways. They say, would you rather
have this is a common thing. Would you rather have
a live daughter or dead son or vice versa. The
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idea being your kid is going to kill themselves if
they aren't allowed to have this gender surgery, and parents
feel blackmailed because God forbid any parent out there suicide
if you ever have to go through it. The idea
that your choice would directly implicate whether your child is
alive is emotional blackmail to parents. So a lot of
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parents question this, but they have doctors telling them this,
who are doing these surgeries, and but this just came
down today. I do think it's kind of consequential credit
the LPGA. The LPGA has banned anyone who was born
as a male from ever being able to compete in
women's golf. This is a big deal because because there
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have been men who decide they identify as women trying
to do what Leah Thomas did and become female golfers.
Here's the problem that I would point out. Here's the
direct quote. Athletes who are assigned female at birth are
eligible to compete on the LBGA Tour, Epsent Tour, European Tour,
all other elite LPGA competitions. Players assigned male at birth
(28:25):
and assigned male at birth like this phrasing is ridiculous.
But players assigned male at birth, and here's a loophole
and who have gone through male puberty are not eligible
to compete in the aforementioned events. What they're trying to do,
buck is argue, once you go through puberty, it's harder
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to change your gender. That's why they want these children
to get puberty blockers, to have these surgeries early. Because
until you go through adolescence, you don't develop adult sexual organs.
And I hate to say this, but that is a
form of direct child abuse that you wouldn't allow a
child to grow up.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But also.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This idea in general is actually encouraging younger transitioning because
they are saying, if you can delay puberty, then you
can change gender. This is the argument they're now making
to parents. And by the way, these puberty blockers, we're
just learning some of the impacts of this stuff, buck
because the people that had this done are just now
(29:30):
getting into their twenties and thirties. They are finding this
doesn't shouldn't shock anybody that your bones don't develop properly
when you restrict hormones estrogen, testosterone that would otherwise fuel growth.
So these people are not going to have normal lifespans.
They're rendered infertile for life. I mean just that by itself,
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would you ever imagine that you would allow your child
at thirteen or fourteen to say I'm going to make
a decision that would never allow me to be a parent,
Because that's what's happening here. It's barbaric, there really is.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Look, I think this is one where we have to draw.
They have to be a firm line drawn on this one.
I do think the Supreme Court is going to find
in favor of Tennessee's Yeah, I do firmly believe that.
But I also know to give you a sense of
the power of this cult that sot to my Ore
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and KBJ are going to find and Kagan are going
to find in favor or against the Barn Tennessee. It's
going to be a six to three decision.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And by the way, what is also going to happen
here is some states are going to specifically say this
is allowed, and parents who are diluted are going to
take their kids across state lines to get their genitals
shopped off. I mean, if you're in Tennessee, I bet
Illinois is going to allow this surgery. So you're going
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to have parents crossing state lines to have these surgeries,
which is frankly why I think.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
We need a national ban on this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I hate to say that we have to do it nationwide,
but I think we do because the response, if you're right, Buck,
and I think you are, that the Supreme Court is
going to allow Tennessee to make this decision, is actually
going to be for left wing states because this has
become part of their orthodoxy to actually encourage people from
other states to travel there for the surgeries.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And you know that I know the mind of the
left because I've been dealing with them for a very
long time and grew up in a leftist enclave, Clay.
If it comes to it, and they've already started to
do this, you know, I know this has happened in
different places. If they had their way, and if the
if the lives on the Supreme Court and the Democrat
Party had their way, a twelve year old who says
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I'm not a girl, or you know, I'm not a girl,
I'm a boy who has parents who say no, we're
not going to do that. They would have child services
coming in our and forced the transition and put the
parents in prison if they had to to make sure
that that transition went through, because that is how psychotic
they are on this issue.
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You're right, And if the Supreme Court rules as we think,
I think it will actually accelerate the crazy in many
of these blue state enclaves. And that's why I think
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Coming up in the third hour here, we're gonna dive
in to big story today. Pete Hegsath making a a
a landing on the beaches, so to speak, up in
up on Capitol Hill, going all out, trying to find
the right metaphor there, trying to go all out to
make sure that these senators know that he is the
(34:21):
citizen soldier who is perfect for this job of being
Trump's secretary of Defense. There have been some senators I'm
just saying, you know, Lindsey Graham won. Lindsey Graham decided
that he was going to put something out there, some
Republican senator. I not't even talking about Democrats who have
sounded a little wobbly on it. But Pete is going
office to office and explaining to them where he is
(34:45):
on this and and how he's the right guy, the
right man for the job. It was just interesting that
there was even discussion of Ronda Santis Clay, I think
being anywhere in the Trump administration. There's some other big
jobs still to be filled. But I'm I'm sensing that
the momentum right now, just based on what I'm seeing reporting,
is going back toward a confirmation for Pete. Now, this
(35:08):
stuff is changing all the time. You know, we like Pete.
We hope Pete gets through, and I think it sends
a strong message about this isn't going to be business
as usual at the Pentagon. But it's all down to
these Remember, we can say, as much as we want,
Trump should get the guys that he wants or guys
(35:28):
and gals that he wants, but Senate unless you're going
to do recess appointments, and then the Senate I think
would have to really be in on that too to
get it started. The Senate is what stands in the way.
We've also got Julie Kelly coming up. Clout talk to
her about these appointments and also the jan six pardons
that we're hoping are coming up, no doubt, and you're
gonna have the final hour solo because I'm hopping a
(35:49):
flight to New York City to get ready to head
to Israel. I'll be doing the show tomorrow for New
York City and then off to Israel, and we should
have next week Monday to Thursday. I will be live
in Israel seven to ten pm over there. We should
have a really good idea, hopefully based on all the
places that I'm going of what life is like for
(36:10):
Israelis right now as they deal with the aftermath of
October seventh.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So I'm excited for that trip. You are going to
close up shop here, I'm gonna go hop on a
plane head to New York City. We'll be back with
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Julie Kelly talking Jay six pardons and also appointees coming
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Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
As we are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program,
we're talking about the drama surrounding the attacks on Pete Hegseth. Also,
and I think this could turn into a big story
in New York. A prominent healthcare executive. It appears basically
assassinated outside of a midtown New York hotel. They are
(00:31):
chasing after whoever might have done this as we are
speaking to you. Also, the Daniel Penny deliberations continue. The
former marine who was charged with what is the officially
charged with negligent homicide?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is that based in voluntary manslaughter? Involuntary manslaughter? Well, actually
there's two. There's a higher charge and a lesser charge.
I believe the lesser is involuntary manslaughter, but I.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Have to check lower standards of basically that is underway.
Deliberations in that jury going on. There also is a
really important Supreme Court case that has been argued, and
I'm not sure if they've officially finished or not, but
it is close to being done about what is and
(01:17):
what is not permissible when it comes to healthcare for
miners related to gender related issues. And I'm trying to
avoid using the phrase buck gender affirming care because it
just sounds so orwellian to me. Basically, this is an
easy question for me, and I would imagine for many
(01:40):
of you as well. Should a minor be able to
have surgery that permanently alters his or her body based
on the idea that they are a different gender than
their biology. My answer for that, as a parent and
also just as someone who is a citizen of the
(02:01):
state of Tennessee is no. I believe my state, Tennessee
actually made the right choice when they said we're not
going to allow this to happen for minors. I think
Buck twenty some odd states have also agreed, So the
implication here is not just for Tennessee. Now, the Biden
administration says all the time, anytime these kind of stories
(02:25):
come up.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Why do you care?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It doesn't happen very often, for instance with women in
men's sports or sorry, men and women's sports. Here, the
Biden administration is specifically arguing the state of Tennessee does
not have the right to say miners can't have these
gender altering lifetime surgeries.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That seems highly rational to me.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Again, the analogy that I've made, I know you push
back on it a bit buck in terms of but
they're claiming it's healthcare. But we do things all the
time that don't allow miners to alter their body. For instance,
most states out there, you couldn't be fourteen and go
get a tattoo. Your parent could actually be charged with
(03:11):
a crime if they decided that they wanted to take
you to get a tattoo. In other words, parents can't
even consent to tattoos. The idea being that children shouldn't
have permanent alterations to their body in the form of
a tattoo, because miners aren't able to make rational, legitimate
decisions about things such as that. Once you're over eighteen,
(03:34):
you can make.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
A choice like that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Right, we restrict access to many different things based on age.
This seems highly legitimate and reasonable. If you want to,
after the age of eighteen, change your gender via surgery,
and by the way, you can't change your gender, but
you can't alter your body's appearance so that you appear
to be one gender different than the one you.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Were, maybe that's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think most people probably agree that's Okay, even though
I doubt that very often that makes people much happier.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's my personal opinion. But the idea that.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
A child should be able to do this is beyond
the pale to me, and many children out there are
making the decision that all of this is crazy, and
so there's a pushback against it, but the Biden administration
is arguing that it shouldn't be possible. Katanji Brown Jackson
Buck in the oral argument, I believe we have this audio.
(04:32):
Compare not allowing children to have these gender surgeries, get
puberty blockers, get your boobs chopped off, for lack of
a better way to describe it, to banning interracial marriage
by a state.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Listen to this argument. Listen to this audio.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
The question was whether it was discriminatory because it applied
to both races and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.
But you know, as I read the statue here, excuse
me the case here. You know, the court starts off
by saying that Virginia is now one of sixteen states
which prohibit and punished marriages on the basis of racial classifications.
(05:08):
And when you look at the structure of that law,
it looks in terms of incontinuing you can't do something
that is inconsistent with your own characteristics is sort of
the same thing. So it's interesting to me that we
now have this different argument, And I wonder whether Virginia
could have gotten away with what they did here by
just making a classification argument the way that Tennessee is
(05:30):
in this.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Case, she's a moron. Buck.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I'm sorry to make that argument. There are all sorts
of restrictions all over the United States on the age
at which you can get married. You can't consent to
your twelve year old getting married, to my knowledge, in
any state in America.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Some states might allow you to get married at sixteen,
some say seventeen eighteen age of consent laws v. This
is all true, but it's all under the premise that
age does have some impact when it comes to all
of our cognition and every single person out there listening
to us right now, Buck, a lot of us had
(06:14):
moronic ideas when we were thirteen or fourteen years old.
Thankfully we weren't able to act on them fifteen sixteen.
The idea that you would try to compare this to
banning interracial marriage is so moronic that it actually makes
my head hurt. This is so many lies put together
that it is almost overwhelming when you try to address it.
(06:37):
You start with they keep calling this healthcare. And to
call this healthcare just because.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It involves scalpels and surgery would be to also say
that somebody who has body identity disorder or somebody who
has the mental health condition where they really want to
have their limb removed. This is a real thing, everybody.
(07:07):
It's a real thing. You can look this up. I
feel like I would be happier if you just took
my arm off. I want to do it safely and medically. Doctor,
please remove my healthy arm. And he's saying. Doctor who
believes in their oath and believes in their craft is
going to say no, I'm not going to surgically remove
your healthy arm. Okay, calling it health care doesn't make
(07:29):
it healthcare. It's not healthy when you look at the
long term outcome. By the way, the long term term
outcome data, if it was good, you would know all
about it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It is incredibly bleak, especially for people who start as
they are minors, because of the physiological changes that occur.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Not only are you changing your parts. If you are
an adult, Clay, you're changing the basic hormonal biochemistry of
you as a human being at the critical time for
you to become an adult. It is irreversible and it
is damaging. Okay, this is irreversible damage over the long term.
(08:12):
And then you add to that it is not even
possible based on the realities of science. You cannot become
a woman. If you could become a woman as a man,
you would be able to have babies. Men straight do
all of these things. Modern medicine cannot do that. As
many miracles it can have. The whole idea of a
(08:33):
gender transition is a fallacy. It is not real.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
If it was real, we wouldn't have trans women. We
would just have women, men and women. Why do we
call them transwomen? Because there's something distinct, there's something different,
there's something physiologically separate. And this is not even getting
into the specifics of this law in this case where
they want to make it so that this is something
(09:00):
that the medical system is pushing on minors, and in
addition to pushing it on miners, they push it on parents.
And beyond that, I think when you see what's really
at the root of all this, they're trying to create
an additional class of protected person, which is yeah, by
(09:21):
the way, I said, body integrity dysphoria, right, that's something Yeah,
healthy limb remove that's what that's right. That's the team
was checking me on that one. It's a real thing.
You can look it up. It's in the DSM. I mean,
it's reality. People have this and they need psycheatric help.
They need psychiatric assistance, which, by the way, was the
medical diagnosis for people who thought they should change their
(09:43):
gender for a.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Very long time.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And if you look at the person who is in
charge of gender transitions for decades at Johns Hopkins University
Medical System, which was the epicenter of gender transition surgery
for many many years, he's written about this publicly. Now now,
of course, you know he's quieter, he's maybe even change
his mind because of all the death threats and all
the activists and the lunatics going after him. You know
what he found claim they shouldn't have been doing it. Yeah,
(10:09):
it doesn't help people, It doesn't do the thing that
they are told it will do. So you know, I mean,
if you're gonna do this because people really want it,
you should also be willing to say people should be
able to have both their legs removed or be intentionally paralyzed,
because that is a psychiatric condition that also involves a
medical procedure that we know is not something you should
(10:32):
go along with.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And I think uniquely here the fact that these are
miners matters a great deal. We restrict the activity of
miners massively all over the country. You can't drive a
car by yourself in most parts of the United States
unless you are sixteen years old at least. You can't
(10:54):
go out and buy a magazine that has pornography in
it unless you are eighteen years old. I mean, think
about this just construct in general. We are saying as
a state, we don't think it's right, and I'm speaking
as many different states right for an eighteen year old
to be able to sorry a sixteen year old to
(11:16):
be able to buy a Playboy magazine.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Many of you out.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
There, if you are around my age or Buck's age,
back in the day, getting your hands on a Playboy
magazine when you were a teenage boy was a tremendous goal.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It was prohibited.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
You were not allowed to look, by and large at
a naked female body in a magazine until you were
over the age of eighteen. That was the choice that
most states still have on the books. I know the
Internet has changed a lot of this, but let's talk
about the law. You're simultaneously arguing, Yes, the state should
(11:53):
have the ability to regulate what kids can see, but
the state eight shouldn't have the ability to regulate what
body parts of a child can be removed. So think
about this. I mean, it's a relatively easy analogy. It's
too damaging for a sixteen year old boy to see
(12:17):
a bear breast in a magazine such that we will
not allow that magazine to be purchased. But a sixteen
year old girl should be able to remove her breast
for life because she thinks she's a different gender than
she is. Like again, the minor aspect of this is
so key because I don't agree with these gender reassignment
(12:40):
surgery ideas. But if you're over the age of eighteen,
I think adults should be able to make bad decisions.
They should have the freedom to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Well, the freedom to do that position, unfortunately has resulted
in them now saying I'm actually a woman and I'm
now going to be treated as a woman under law.
So the freedom to do this, just give me the
free them to do this is always now tied to
I'm actually now a different person, and you have you
have to be awfully, you have to be a part
(13:10):
of my lie. So unfortunately are you know, the feeling
of wanted to be kind and wanted to be courteous
to our fellow human beings, our fellow Americans, has led
us down this pathway of two hundred and fifty pound
dudes who grow their hair long, paint their fingernails and
say I'm missus so and so, and that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And and to your point, by the way, like you
can't sell your kidney, right like, we don't allow you
as a person out there in America, Like we were
strict in many ways what you can do from a
medical position when it comes to your body, right like,
in many ways, but in particular, you can't sell a
(13:52):
kidd I think your argument is an interesting one that
we've basically just given far too much into this craziness
of Jennice.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
For we need to I don't just want to make
this about miners. We need to start speaking the truth
about the whole thing. They're not becoming by the way,
it's overwhelmingly men who want to be women. I know
in this case, I think it's a you know, the
person the lawyer for the ACLU is a woman who
now is presenting as a man. By the way, not
fooling me. Okay, it's not a man.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
This is the other part of this too. How long
do we have to sit around and play this game
where you can't even tell? No, I can tell. I
can tell. And I'm sick of having to lie about this, Okay,
I'm sick of having people try. And by the way,
I don't lie about it, but I mean we're supposed
to lie about it. We're supposed to go along with it.
I will, in the words of Souls and eats and
(14:38):
live not by lies. This whole trans thing lies lies
across the board.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, but the idea minimum that the Biden administration is
trying to stop miners from having these trying to ensure
that all miners can have these surgeries in every state
is crazy. And this is an important decision, and it
just got to argue spring Court. I wanted to make
sure we addressed it.
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Speaker 3 (16:12):
All right, welcome back in, you know Matt Walsh from
Daily Wires outside the Courtroom right now or for Miners
to National Prominence and and he's done, you know, just
really profoundly important work on this. And I think that
we'll we'll play some of what he had to say
for you.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You can hear it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But Clay, this is just a reminder, you know, the
the you know, he's for you, she's for they them.
And there was this feeling a little bit I think
of triumphalism on the transagenda issue on the right of
how it went too far and all the rest. I
got to tell you, uh, they're they're gonna come back
with all this stuff. They really are, you know, they're
(16:54):
they have not given up. And however the Supreme Court
case goes, this is a this this is a vanguard
issue for the progressives, for the left wing of the
Democrat Party, which runs a Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I can't believe that they're doubling and tripling down on, Hey,
we have to make sure that people who are not
really the gender that they are, that we all tell
them that they are. But this argument is crazy. That's
happening today in the Supreme Court. I would encourage you
(17:29):
guys to go research it, go look it up. I
mean again, minors are banned from all different sorts of
things all over the country.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
The idea that we.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Would want irreversible surgery taking place inside the state of
Tennessee to be as crazy as a citizen. The ACLU
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Appreciate all of you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
For rolling with us this chaos and craziness inside the
Supreme Court over child gender mutilation.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think it's fair to call it that. It actually is.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Important for you to understand how crazy some of these
arguments have become. The ACLU lawyer who are who is
challenging these issues says, basically kids, which cut is it?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Where?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He says, kid? I mean this whole thing is crazy, Buck,
But cut one? He says, basically infants young toddlers know
what gender they are and if they're a different, listen
to this, listen to cut one.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Nobody has to provide this medication to adolescents. These are
not doctors being forced to provide this medication. These are
doctors who are wanting to treat their patients in the
best way that they know how they based on the
best available evidence to us. And these are young people
who may have known since they were two years old
exactly who they are, who suffered for six seven years
before they had any relief. And what's happening here. It's
(20:10):
not the kids who are consenting to this treatment, it's
the parents who are consenting to the treatment. And as
a parent, I would say we when our children are suffering,
we are suffering. And these are parents who love their children,
who are listening to the advice of their doctors, of
the mainstream medical community, and doing what's right for their kids.
In the state of Tennessee has displaced their judgment.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean two year old.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I mean it's important again to understand how crazy these
arguments are.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You will soon have a two year old. You will
hear your two year old make some truly outrageous arguments.
A lot of two year olds think they are dinosaurs.
Many two year olds out there think that they are
that they are ghosts or goblins or jedis. The idea
that you would treat your two year old's determination about
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what gender he or she is as the truth is
bonkers for anyone that has ever raised a two year old.
This is what they're arguing.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Though.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know, people talk about the military industrial complex, and
that's that's obviously fair and important to be aware of
and to be on guard against. There's also a sort
of gender activist industrial complex, if you will. There's a
lot of money, time and effort from a whole range
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of NGOs, a whole range of nonprofits, and and then
you know things that are funded even by government dollars,
that people don't even know about, that are very in
need of the next civil rights crusade. Right in the
aftermath of the Supreme Court's gay marriage decision, there was
this huge apparatus of people who feel a need both
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for financial, professional reasons and personal reasons, I guess, to
find the next crusade for them to make illegal and
cultural and political issue, and they have chosen this issue
of trans as the thing and I think you have
to see how that fits into everything else that they
are doing and the reason that they are saying. So,
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I just want to be clear, there's a big machine
behind this. And so when they say, oh, mainstream doctors,
when this woman says that mainstream doctors are transman, fine
trans man, we can say says that mainstream doctors want
to do this. Well, there are ideologues in medicine. There
are also people who don't want to get their medical
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licenses revoked. If you said masks don't work, you are
in danger of losing your medical license during COVID Masks
don't work. We know that now, unless you're a moron,
you figured that out right. But medicine has been institutionally
shockingly wrong, shockingly bureaucratic, and grotesquely cowardly in the COVID
era because of the machinery that pushes these decisions, the
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fauciism behind all of it. With the trans issue, Clay,
you look at the doctors are saying, and they won't
subject themselves to public scrutiny over these issues.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Why is it a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
When Matt Walsh was finding out about the gender surgeries
that were going on in these different hospitals.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Why is that an issue?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's not an issue when they find out about how
many heart surgeries are going on, if it's just medical care,
why don't they want to talk about it. Why don't
they want us to know more about what's going on here?
Why aren't their long term studies posted on our website
for everybody to see about psychiatric wellness? Ten years after
a thirteen year old girl has her breasts removed because
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it's very, very bad. They are hiding, they are lying,
and it is obvious to anyone who's being being paid
attention to all this issue, has paid attention on this issue,
And I mean this fundamentally just manifests itself with we
are supposed to look at Riley Gaines and what was
the name of the guy, well, you, Marr, I don't
remember his name. Leah Thomas. Leah Thomas will Thomas.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Was his name when he swam for the University of
Pennsylvania men's team. He then changed his name to Leah
and said he was a woman Clay just dead.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Named I'm honestly, I'm just so sad now he's dead
named someone. Yeah, Leah Thomas, You're supposed to look at
a six foot three men with a penis and say
that's a woman, And I'm sorry, I just won't and
I refuse. And people can get mad and they can
say that's mean, and they can say whatever, it's not true,
and people can try to force me to say things
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that are not true. But I am always going to
have a problem with that and I'm going to refuse.
And the idea that two year olds know they are trans,
I mean, I ask the trans advocates this, So can
people realized they're entrans because that is a thing too.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, So how can you be.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Born with something that is immutable and needs to be
a constitutionally protected characteristic. If you can go the other way,
if you can go back, you can say I made
a mistake. This is this is a shike, you know.
It's by the way, the detransitioning thing is something they
absolutely they pretend it doesn't exist, but it is real.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And what they do here, what they're doing, what they're
trying to do kids as monstrous. Tennessee did the right
thing by trying to remember they're not even stopping this
for adults. There's a whole other thing that should be
the conversation about should adults even be doing this? I mean,
having their legal right to do it is one question.
Being encouraged by society to do it is another. I mean,
if you find out clay what it looks like for
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people who have they call it bottom surgery. It is
an unhealing wound.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That has to be give sick to think about, right,
like the physics of it and the physicality of what
it requires.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
But you can think about.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It, it can't happen. Someone could say I want to
become a zebra, and you could do a lot of
things to them, but you actually cannot create a zebra
out of a human being. You actually cannot create a
woman out of a man. It is not possible. Again,
it is a lie. And so that's really where you
see the lies pile the top lies here. And they've
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used courtesy and they have used decency, and they have
used kindness to push this issue to the point where
now they want a decree from the Supreme Court that
nobody can stand in the way of a thirteen year
old girl who's or boy or whatever, who is learning
about life, who knows nothing, who's not legally allowed to drink,
who's not legally allowed to consent to sexual activity. Who's
(26:31):
not legally allowed to get a tattoo, as you point out,
but get your breasts removed or it could take puberty blockers.
It is insane what is going on. And we will
not get a single medical doctor, by the way, who'd
be willing to come on the show and actually defend
these processes, these procedures other than just to say I'm
a doctor and I just do what the medicine is.
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They won't describe what really goes on well.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And also this is important too. I think there's a
lot of blackmail intellectually that's going on here because what
they say to parents, they take advantage of parental love
and acquiescence in many ways. They say, would you rather
have this is a common thing. Would you rather have
a live daughter or dead son or vice versa. The
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idea being your kid is going to kill themselves if
they aren't allowed to have this gender surgery, and parents
feel blackmailed because God forbid any parent out there suicide
if you ever have to go through it. The idea
that your choice would directly implicate whether your child is
alive is emotional blackmail to parents. So a lot of
(27:39):
parents question this, but they have doctors telling them this,
who are doing these surgeries, and but this just came
down today. I do think it's kind of consequential credit
the LPGA. The LPGA has banned anyone who was born
as a male from ever being able to compete in
women's golf. This is a big deal because because there
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have been men who decide they identify as women trying
to do what Leah Thomas did and become female golfers.
Here's the problem that I would point out. Here's the
direct quote. Athletes who are assigned female at birth are
eligible to compete on the LBGA Tour, Epsent Tour, European Tour,
all other elite LPGA competitions. Players assigned male at birth
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and assigned male at birth like this phrasing is ridiculous.
But players assigned male at birth, and here's a loophole
and who have gone through male puberty are not eligible
to compete in the aforementioned events. What they're trying to do,
buck is argue, once you go through puberty, it's harder
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to change your gender. That's why they want these children
to get puberty blockers, to have these surgeries early. Because
until you go through adolescence, you don't develop adult sexual organs.
And I hate to say this, but that is a
form of direct child abuse that you wouldn't allow a
child to grow up.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But also.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
This idea in general is actually encouraging younger transitioning because
they are saying, if you can delay puberty, then you
can change gender. This is the argument they're now making
to parents. And by the way, these puberty blockers, we're
just learning some of the impacts of this stuff, buck
because the people that had this done are just now
(29:30):
getting into their twenties and thirties. They are finding this
doesn't shouldn't shock anybody that your bones don't develop properly
when you restrict hormones estrogen, testosterone that would otherwise fuel growth.
So these people are not going to have normal lifespans.
They're rendered infertile for life. I mean just that by itself,
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would you ever imagine that you would allow your child
at thirteen or fourteen to say I'm going to make
a decision that would never allow me to be a parent,
Because that's what's happening here. It's barbaric, there really is.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Look, I think this is one where we have to draw.
They have to be a firm line drawn on this one.
I do think the Supreme Court is going to find
in favor of Tennessee's Yeah, I do firmly believe that.
But I also know to give you a sense of
the power of this cult that sot to my Ore
(30:29):
and KBJ are going to find and Kagan are going
to find in favor or against the Barn Tennessee. It's
going to be a six to three decision.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And by the way, what is also going to happen
here is some states are going to specifically say this
is allowed, and parents who are diluted are going to
take their kids across state lines to get their genitals
shopped off. I mean, if you're in Tennessee, I bet
Illinois is going to allow this surgery. So you're going
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to have parents crossing state lines to have these surgeries,
which is frankly why I think.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
We need a national ban on this.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I hate to say that we have to do it nationwide,
but I think we do because the response, if you're right, Buck,
and I think you are, that the Supreme Court is
going to allow Tennessee to make this decision, is actually
going to be for left wing states because this has
become part of their orthodoxy to actually encourage people from
other states to travel there for the surgeries.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
And you know that I know the mind of the
left because I've been dealing with them for a very
long time and grew up in a leftist enclave, Clay.
If it comes to it, and they've already started to
do this, you know, I know this has happened in
different places. If they had their way, and if the
if the lives on the Supreme Court and the Democrat
Party had their way, a twelve year old who says
(31:52):
I'm not a girl, or you know, I'm not a girl,
I'm a boy who has parents who say no, we're
not going to do that. They would have child services
coming in our and forced the transition and put the
parents in prison if they had to to make sure
that that transition went through, because that is how psychotic
they are on this issue.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You're right, And if the Supreme Court rules as we think,
I think it will actually accelerate the crazy in many
of these blue state enclaves. And that's why I think
we're going to have to do something on a nationwide level. Look,
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Speaker 3 (33:57):
Coming up in the third hour here, we're gonna dive
in to big story today. Pete Hegsath making a a
a landing on the beaches, so to speak, up in
up on Capitol Hill, going all out, trying to find
the right metaphor there, trying to go all out to
make sure that these senators know that he is the
(34:21):
citizen soldier who is perfect for this job of being
Trump's secretary of Defense. There have been some senators I'm
just saying, you know, Lindsey Graham won. Lindsey Graham decided
that he was going to put something out there, some
Republican senator. I not't even talking about Democrats who have
sounded a little wobbly on it. But Pete is going
office to office and explaining to them where he is
(34:45):
on this and and how he's the right guy, the
right man for the job. It was just interesting that
there was even discussion of Ronda Santis Clay, I think
being anywhere in the Trump administration. There's some other big
jobs still to be filled. But I'm I'm sensing that
the momentum right now, just based on what I'm seeing reporting,
is going back toward a confirmation for Pete. Now, this
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stuff is changing all the time. You know, we like Pete.
We hope Pete gets through, and I think it sends
a strong message about this isn't going to be business
as usual at the Pentagon. But it's all down to
these Remember, we can say, as much as we want,
Trump should get the guys that he wants or guys
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and gals that he wants, but Senate unless you're going
to do recess appointments, and then the Senate I think
would have to really be in on that too to
get it started. The Senate is what stands in the way.
We've also got Julie Kelly coming up. Clout talk to
her about these appointments and also the jan six pardons
that we're hoping are coming up, no doubt, and you're
gonna have the final hour solo because I'm hopping a
(35:49):
flight to New York City to get ready to head
to Israel. I'll be doing the show tomorrow for New
York City and then off to Israel, and we should
have next week Monday to Thursday. I will be live
in Israel seven to ten pm over there. We should
have a really good idea, hopefully based on all the
places that I'm going of what life is like for
(36:10):
Israelis right now as they deal with the aftermath of
October seventh.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So I'm excited for that trip. You are going to
close up shop here, I'm gonna go hop on a
plane head to New York City. We'll be back with
you tomorrow and then after that I'll be in Israel.
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