December 4, 2024 • 56 mins
Chaos in NY! Emotional blackmail. Gender "affirmation" is a misleading term. Julie Kelly on J6 pardons.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of The Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. We got a lot of news
racked and stacked.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We're gonna make it all make sense, So come in
close for a big radio huge much to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We got the.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Eric Adams statement about illegals in New York City and
how he feels about them. Is this a turning of
the tide for the Big Apple when it comes to
the migrant aka illegal alien problem. I think that's something
that we're gonna spend a little bit of time on.
There's an opportunity here for the mayor of America's largest
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city to really step into the mandate of making New
York safe again, which would in fact be a huge
step toward making New York great again. And given what
the Feds have done to him there for speaking out
about migrants in the first place.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Maybe Mayor Eric Adams should to have a little outreach
to the incoming president. One thing about Trump, you got
to give him credit for. If you're willing to do
the job, if you're willing to be maga, there's always
room on the Trump train. There's always room for allies.
In fact, I think one of Trump's favorite things is
to flip opponents to allies. Now, maybe getting ahead of ourselves,
(01:18):
Eric Adams might put out a statement tomorrow about how
awful Trump is. Who knows, but interesting situation about the
migrants in New York City. You've also got, oh boy,
the dea pick. Chad Cronister has stepped out of the mix, Clay,
and I can get into some of why that happened.
The jury has the Daniel Penny trial also in New
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York City. We'll bring you any updates on that we
could get, right, Clay, We could get a verity at
any point. Yeah, it could happen while we're on the air,
so we'll be focused in on that one we've got.
I don't know, this is interesting to us in the
media because it's been a long time coming. ABC News
staffers working in near decrepit building with no Wi Fi,
(02:05):
no heat as Good Morning America ratings tank. I just
think that's interesting, Clay, because it's not only the more
left wing MSNBC right, like the openly partisan outlets that
are getting hit now. It's like morning shows where one
minute they're doing news, the next minute they're like here's
the best way to make a summer salad.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like they're getting hit two. I think there's a big
change in the media that's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
There's even more.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The judge in the Hunter Biden case, which now is
not a case anymore because the pardon had some scathing
words about Biden's lie in the part in Biden fell
asleep in Africa he's in Angola giving away taxpayer dollars.
And we've also got Clay's going to dive into this
in the next hour. In Tennessee, the State of Tennessee
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in a lawsuit with the Biden administration over the issue
of transsurgery for my and a ban on transferds in
Tennessee Supreme Court heard those oral arguments this morning. Clay
lawyer Clay going to step in and tell us what
he thinks on that one. Clay, I gotta say, you know,
the the biggest to the two biggest missions of the
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Trump administration, I think quite clearly are the border and
the bureaucracy, right or you know, illegals and the deep state.
Different ways you can say the same thing, Mayor Adams.
I don't take this as a minor thing. I think
this is an interesting place to go. I think it's
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something of outreach to the incoming administration too. This is
cut twelve. He's just saying, I'm deporting criminals going forward,
I'm gonna help ice and you can quote cancel me.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
If you've got a problem with that play it.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I want you to all go back and google Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama. Google what they said about those
who could make crimes in our city and what they
say in our country. They said, those who commit crimes
need to get out right away. That was their position.
So this is not a new position, you know, because
in the state of the in the era of cancel culture,
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no one's afraid to be honest about the truth. Well,
cancel me, because I'm going to protect the people of
this city. And if you come into this country, in
this city and think you're going to harm innocent New
Yorkers and innocent migrants and asylum seekers, this is not
the mayor you want to be in the city under.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
All right, now, he's still with the asylum secrets who
don't commit crimes. I caught that point at the end.
But Clay, it has been a huge fight with Democrats
to even get them to agree that illegals like the
one who went on to rape and murder Lake and
Riley should be deported with the help of local and
state police.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah. Look, and.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think Mayor Adams is right on this, And this
is why I said, A part of me thinks that
Trump should come in and just immediately pardon Eric Adams
as part of his decision to pardon the jan six guys.
And I remember I said, and a lot of people
out there got upset. You had, I think had the
same take that it would not be a bad move
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for Trump to also pardon Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I had the same take as you. I wasn't upset
by the take.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yes, correct, No, yes, you and I had the same take.
Many of our listeners out there were. But to me,
it's a clear the decks move. Hey, we're turning the
page to steal a line from Gamala Harris on the
Law Fair that became very commonplace associated with everything surrounding
the Biden team. And I think Trump's got an ally
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in Eric Adams when it comes to issues of migrants
illegally taking over the.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
City of New York. Buck for you, I'm flying up
to New York.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm ducking out the third hour because I'm going to
Israel for the show on Thursday evening.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's just a little bit of background.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You. You know, they banned Airbnb in New York City,
so basically you can't put your home on Airbnb. They
also have I think it's over ten percent of all
hotel rooms right now are taken by.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Twenty twenty, it's twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, twenty percent of New York City hotel rooms are
taken over by by people there and they live there.
They're not there for a night while they're being processed
to the facility or something. They live there. You can't
get a hotel room now in New York City right
now for less than like five hundred bucks. If you
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want to be anywhere around Midtown. Some of the rooms
are thousand dollars a night. Why do I bring that
up because I'm traveling up and having to stay there
right now.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
New York City is broken in many ways.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean, you see the assassination, Yes, I was gonna say,
right of a major hotel. It appears there was a
gangland style hit on a prominent business executive Clay outside
of a hotel. It's outside of our New York City office.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's where I'll be doing the show to one, You'll be.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Doing the show right in the vicinity of I mean people, remember,
you know, in Midtown, it's not hard to find where
people are.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's not some big secret, right, you can google these things.
You're talking about. A stone's throwaway from that assassination is
where you're going to be doing the radio show tomorrow.
My point being that is the heart of New York City.
That is the absolute center of New York, the business district,
Midtown near It's right near Rockefeller Center, it's right near
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Central Park. I mean, it's and it's just a brazen
assassination attempt. I saw some clips from the NYPD conference
on it, and it looks like this. This is I mean,
it's a pro or professional hit. The guy had to
clear a malfunction his weapon quickly, multiple shots from behind,
jumped on an e bike, had his face and head
and everything covered. I mean, this was not like, you know,
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at least it doesn't strike me as like a rage
filled you know, lover's quarrel or some kind of nonsense.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
This is a This looks like a professional hit. So
that's another thing. The city of New York is looking
at it right now. They've got to just get the
crime issue in general down there were there was recently
a broad daylight two armed men carjacking clay on eighty
third in Broadway again, eighty third and Broadway. You can't
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get an apartment on an eighty third and Broadway. You
can't get a studio for less than a million bucks.
I mean, this is this is fancy, high end parts
of Gotham, you know, of America's grandest city, and it's
just too much. People are waking up to this. New
York did trend toward Trump, not enough, unfortunately, but New
York State trended toward Trump in this last election. And
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the issue of the of migrants in New York City.
I think this played a big role in the in
the national election. I think it shows how clear Trump's
mandate is. And I believe there's a real opportunity here
for Eric Adams to say, look, I don't agree with
Trump on a lot, but I'll work with his administration
on making sure that criminal illegals are deported as expeditiously
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as possible. That's common ground that I think would would
go over very well on both sides. We'll see if
he's also they're prosecuting him, right, so there's that his
team has betrayed him.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and look, I just.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
To your point, new York City, Trump got more votes
than any Republican since nineteen eighty eight. So that's a
pretty seismic change. And the votes that he was getting
were overwhelmingly coming from non traditional Republican areas. Remember one
of the districts that moved the most in Trump's direction
was AOC's. And you know, it's kind of staggering when
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you consider that there's talk, oh, AOC may run for
president in twenty twenty eight, and I actually think she will,
and we'll see how that plays going forward. I think
that's her next move. She's not going to run for
governor or Senate in New York. I think she feels
like she has a big enough platform now that she
can make a run for president of the United States.
But so you got chaos in New York, you've also
(10:03):
got right now, Pete hegset buck under a level of
attack that is higher, I think right now than what
they did with Matt Gates. I think they felt like
Matt Gates never had the support and so he never
really got you agree with this, and there was never
really an aggressive go after Matt Gates media campaign because
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I think they kind of knew the votes weren't there
and they never needed to unleash the hounds, so to speak.
You and I need to weigh in on some of
this stuff because the amount of stories that are coming
out just going after Pete Hegset for everything. NBC News
has a monster story where they basically accused him of
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being a drunk who was unable to do television and done,
You've worked with Pete. I've worked with Pete. I mean
this is something we can speak of a direct personal knowledge.
The nastiness of this campaign that they have unleashed against
Pete hegseth is is cat Brett Kavanaugh.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like they called my wife on her personal cell phone.
You could say it, I want, I didn't want to
say it, but.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, no, I know, I'll say it. They called my
wife on her personal cell phone looking for dirt on
our friend Pete and Carrie's Carrie, she doesn't talk to
regime media got a click right away. But point here being,
they are going all out to do whatever they can
uh to destroy him. I think with Matt Gates Clay.
Part of it was the initial Gates stuff was well
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wait till wait till the set you know, he's going
to have his say before the Senate. There wasn't a
lot of new information. It was all known.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
They've been on a dig up everything campaign against against Pete.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They also were trying to get the report out against
Matt Gates. That was going to be the whole thing.
So they were lobbying to get the report out With Pete.
They've been you know, they're going back to an investigative
reporting and trying to do oppo research on him, you know,
back to high school. I'm sure, back to you know,
when he was in his first boy Scout ribbons or whatever.
I mean, they're they're going all out. I was actually
having a call with the buddy the other day. We
(12:06):
were talking yesterday about the heagset thing, and I'm like,
I don't know that we've seen anything of this measure
and magnitude, because I don't think Pete Hegseth is an
unknown dude. I mean, he's on television all the time
for Fox News. I'm stunned by how threatened they are
by him, to the extent that they've come after him
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with everything they've got.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
What I'm seeing is that the storyline is that Trump
is waffling, and I think they're trying to use that storyline,
meaning the media saying it that Trump is waffling about
the hegseet appointment, so that then it becomes it's like
a self fulfilling prophecy, right, it's oh, Trump's waffling, And
then that gets back to Trump and people start to say, well,
(12:49):
you know, maybe this I think they're trying to create
cracks in this. I don't know, man, the inner circle
of decision making on this is very tight.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Let's come back. Let let's talk about this a little
bit more.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Shall Yeah, let's get into this and have more of
a discussion about it, because, uh, you've got three names
in the mix right now for d O D chief.
Three names our friend Pete heg Seth, the fantastic Ron DeSantis,
and our friend Bridge Colby, who's brilliant. These are the
three names that are being reported as possible secretary of Defense.
(13:21):
Let's come back.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And also, if anybody has a particularly strong opinion on that,
I want to know what you think, because to me,
you know, this is like if I knew who played
sports more. I'd start saying great sports people. But you know,
this is like Jerald pick between. This is like picking
between yeah, pickles. This is like picking between Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen and and well, let's just say it's like
(13:44):
picking between Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, clearly the two
best quarterbacks in the end.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Great great people for the job that I think would
get it done. But if you have strong opinions on it,
I definitely want I definitely want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So we'll get into that.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you or rolling with us this chaos and craziness
inside the Supreme Court over child gender mutilation. I think
it's fair to call it that. It actually is important
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for you to understand how crazy some of these arguments
have become. The ACLU lawyer who are who is challenging
these issues says, basically, kids, which cut is it? Where?
He says, kid? I mean this whole thing is crazy, Buck,
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but cut one. He says, basically infants young toddlers know
what gender they are and if they're a different Listen
to this, listen to cut one.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Nobody has to provide this medication to adolescents. These are
not doctors being forced to provide this medication. These are
doctors who are wanting to treat their patients in the
best way that they know how, based on the best
available evidence to us. And these are young people who
may have known since they were two years old exactly
who they are, who suffered for six seven years before
they had any relief. And what's happening here. It's not
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the kids who are consenting to this treatment, it's the
parents who are consenting to the treatment. And as a parent,
I would say we when our children are suffering, we
are suffering.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And these are parents who love their.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Children, who are listening to the advice of their doctors,
of the mainstream medical community, and doing what's right for
their kids. In the state of Tennessee has displaced their judgment.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean two year old.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I mean it's important again to understand how crazy these
arguments are. Buck You will soon have a two year old.
You will hear your two year old make some truly
outrageous arguments. A lot of two year olds think they
are dinosaurs. Many two year olds out there think that
they are, that they are ghosts or goblins or jedis.
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The idea that you would treat your two year old's
determination about what gender he or she is as the
truth is bonkers for anyone that has ever raised a
two year old. This is what they're arguing.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Though.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You know, people talk about the military industrial complex, and
that's that's obviously fair and important to be aware of
and to be on guard against. There's also a sort
of gender activist industrial complex, if you will. There's a
lot of money, time and effort from a whole range
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of NGOs, a whole range of nonprofits.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Know things that are funded even by government dollars, that
people don't even know about, that are very in need
of the next civil rights crusade. Right in the aftermath
of the Supreme Court's gay marriage decision, there was huge
apparatus of people who feel a need both for financial,
professional reasons and personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I guess to.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Find the next crusade for them to make illegal and
cultural and political issue. And they have chosen this issue
of trans as the thing. And I think you have
to see how that fits into everything else that they
are doing and the reason that they are saying. So,
I just want to be clear, there's a big machine
behind this. And so when they say, oh, mainstream doctors,
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when this woman says that mainstream doctors are transman, fine,
trans man, we can say, says that mainstream doctors want
to do this, well, there are ideologues in medicine. There
are also people who don't want to get their medical
licenses revoked. If you said masks don't work, you are
in danger of losing your medical license during COVID. Masks
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don't work. We know that now, unless you're a moron,
you figured that out right. But medicine has been institutionally
shockingly wrong, shockingly bureaucratic, and grotesquely cowardly in the COVID
era because of the machinery that pushes these decisions, the
fauciism behind all of it. With the trans issue, Clay,
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you look at what doctors are saying, and they won't
subject themselves to public scrutiny over these issues.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Why is it a problem.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
When Matt Walsh was finding out about the gender surgeries
that were going on in these different hospitals, why is
that an issue? It's not an issue when they find
out about how many heart surgeries are going on. If
it's just medical care, why don't they want to talk
about it. Why don't they want us to know more
about what's going on here? Why aren't there long term
studies posted on our website for everybody to see about
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psychiatric wellness? Ten years after a thirteen year old girl
has her breast removed because it's very, very bad. They
are hiding, they are lying, And it is obvious to
anyone who's being being paid attention to all this issue,
has paid attention on this issue, and I mean this
fundamentally just manifests itself with we are supposed to look
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at Riley Gaines and what was the name of the guy?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, do you mayr?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I don't remember his name? Leah Thomas. Leah Thomas will
Thomas was his name when he swam for the University
of Pennsylvania men's team. He then changed his name to
Leah and said he was a woman Clay just dead named.
I'm honestly, I'm just so sad now he's dead named someone. Yeah,
Leah Thomas. You're supposed to look at a six foot
three men with a penis and say that's a woman,
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And I'm sorry, I just won't and I refuse.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And people can get.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Mad and they can say that's mean, and they can
say whatever, it's not true, and people can try to
force me to say things that are not true. But
I am always going to have a problem with that
and I'm going to refuse. And the idea that two
year olds know they are trans I mean, I ask
the trans advocates this, So can people be realized they're
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entrans because that is a thing too. Yeah, so how
can you be born with something that is immutable and
needs to be a constitutionally protected characteristic. If you can
go the other way, if you can go back, you
can say I made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
This is this is a ssike, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It's by the way, the detransitioning thing is something they
absolutely they pretend it doesn't exist, but it is real.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And what they do here, what they're doing, what they're
trying to do kids as monstrous. Tennessee did the right
thing by trying to remember they're not even stopping this
for adults. There's a whole other thing that should be
the conversation about should adults even be doing this? I mean,
having their legal right to do it is one question.
Being encouraged by society to do it is another. I mean,
if you find out clay what it looks like for
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people who have they call it bottom surgery.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It is an.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Unhealing wound that has to be given sick to think about, right,
like the physics of it and the physicality of what
it requires. But you can think about it. It can't happen.
Someone could say I want to become a ze and
you could do a lot of things to them, but
you actually cannot create a zebra out of a human being.
You actually cannot create a woman out.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Of a man.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It is not possible. Again, it is a lie. And
so that's really where you see the lies pile the
top lies here. And they've used courtesy, and they have
used decency, and they have used kindness to push this
issue to the point where now they wanted to create
from the Supreme Court that nobody can stand in the
way of a thirteen year old girl who's or boy
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or whatever, who is learning about life, who knows nothing,
who's not legally allowed to drink, who's not legally allowed
to consent to sexual activity, who's not legally allowed to
get a tattoo, as you point out, but get your
breasts removed or it could take puberty blockers.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It is insane what is going on, and we will
not get a single medical doctor, by the way, who'd
be willing to come on the show and actually defend
these processes, these procedures, other than just to say I'm
a doctor and I just do with The meta is
they won't describe what really goes on well.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And also this is important too.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I think there's a lot of blackmail intellectually that's going
on here because what they say to parents, they take
advantage of parental love and acquiescence in many ways. They say,
would you rather have this is a common thing. Would
you rather have a live daughter or dead son or
vice versa. The idea being your kid is going to
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kill themselves if they aren't allowed to have this gender surgery,
and parents feel blackmailed because God forbid any parent out
there suicide if you ever have to.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Go through it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
The idea that your choice would directly implicate whether your
child is alive is emotional blackmail to parents. It's a
lot of parents question this, but they have doctors telling
them this, who are doing these surgeries and but this
just came down today. I do think it's kind of
consequential credit the LPGA. The LPGA has banned anyone who
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was born as a male from ever being able to
compete in women's golf. This is a big deal because
there have been men who decide they identify as women
trying to do what Leah Thomas did and become female golfers.
Here's the problem that I would point out. Here's the
direct quote. Athletes who are assigned female at birth are
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eligible to compete on the LBGA Tour, Epsent Tour, European Tour,
all other elite LPGA competitions. Players assigned male at birth
and assigned male at birth like this phrasing is ridiculous.
But players assigned male at birth, and here's a loophole
and who have gone through male puberty are not eligible
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to compete in the aforementioned events. What they're trying to
do buck is argue, once you go through puberty, it's
harder to change your gender. That's why they want these
children to get puberty blockers, to have the surgeries early,
because until you go through adolescence, you don't develop adult
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sexual organs. And I hate to say this, but that
is a form of direct child abuse that you wouldn't
allow a child to grow up.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But also.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This idea in general is actually encouraging younger transitioning because
they are saying, if you can delay puberty, then you
can change gender. This is the argument they're now making
to parents. And by the way, these puberty blockers, we're
just learning some of the impacts of this stuff, buck
because the people that had this done are just now
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getting into their twenties and thirties. They are finding this
doesn't shouldn't shock anybody that your bones don't develop properly
when you restrict hormones estrogen, testosterone that would otherwise fuel growth.
So these people are not going to have normal lifespans.
They're rendered infertile for life. I mean just that by itself,
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would you ever imagine that you would allow your child
at thirteen or fourteen to say, I'm going to make
a decision that would never allow me to be a parent,
Because that's what's happening here.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's barbaric, there really is.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Look, I think this is one where we have to
draw it. There have to be a firm line drawn
on this one, I do think the Supreme Court is
going to find in favor of Tennessee's.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, I do firmly believe that. But I also know
to give you a sense of the power of this cult.
That's so to my Ore and KBJ are going to
find and Kagan are going to find in favor or
against the baron Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's going to be a six to three decision.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And by the way, what is also going to happen
here is some states are going to specifically say this
is allowed, and parents who are diluted are going to
take their kids across state lines to get their genitals
chopped off. I mean, if you're in Tennessee, I bet
Illinois is going to allow this surgery. So you're going
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to have parents crossing state lines to have these surgeries,
which is frankly why I think we need a national
ban on this. I hate to say that we have
to do it nationwide, but I think we do because
the response, if you're right, Buck, and I think you are,
that the Supreme Court is going to allow Tennessee to
make this decision, is actually going to be for left
wing states because this has become part of their orthodoxy
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to actually encourage people from other states to travel there
for the surgeries. And you know that I know the
mind of the left because I've been dealing with them
for a very long time and grew up in a
leftist enclave, Clay. If it comes to it, and they've
already started to do this, I know this has happened
in different places. If they had their way, and if
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the lives on the Supreme Court and the Democrat Party
had their way, a twelve year old who says I'm
not a girl or I'm not a girl, I'm a
boy who has parents who say no, we're not going
to do that. They would have child Services come and
intervene and force the transition and put the parents in
prison if they had to to make sure that that
transition went through, because that is how psychotic they are
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on this issue. You're right, And if the Supreme Court
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Joining me right now.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Our friend Julie Kelly Declassified is her sub stack. She's
done so much fantastic work on the issue of pardons
for J six justice involved individuals. It's the terminal left
views is for actual criminals, so I guess we'll find
something else for them.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Some people say political prisoners depends. Julie. Appreciate you being
with us.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I want to get into I want to get into
some of the appointees if I can here with you
for a second. I'm sure you're following this closely. I
know you know some of these individuals.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I from the tea leaf reading that I can do,
from the various senators and statements and things they've put out,
it seems like Pete is rallying up on Capitol Hill,
getting more Senators to come to his side.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And I would put the.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Likelihood of his confirmation going higher today than certainly it
seemed to be yesterday.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Sure that sounds about right, Buck. You know, you just
can't allow the caving in to these hit jobs, these
character assassination attempts by the media and Democrats, and it
appears some Republicans are behind this as well. So by
sticking with Pete's nomination, the President and everyone else on
(31:28):
the side demonstrates that those Breck Cavanaugh days are over
and it simply will not be tolerated because if this
nomination for somehow, somehow goes south, either maybe at the
hands of a group of Republican senators who don't want
the military reforms, who want to keep pumping billions of
(31:48):
dollars in Ukraine and other places, you know, to keep
the laundering machine of military defense contracts going, then you
know that will be a troublesome sign. Lly think that
it was a good sign today that the President spoke
out and also Pete himself. So your announcis is probably
(32:10):
spot on right there.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, we'll continue to follow it. I just feel like
we could get more updates while we're here on air.
In this hour, let's transition to what's going on with
the j six pardons that everyone's hoping are going to
be coming. I think it will be worthwhile, Julie, for
you to remind everybody of you know, in the aftermath
(32:32):
of the Hunter Biden pardon, for example, and there was
really no dispute over the facts. Hunter Biden committed many,
many crimes, and they tried to make it go away,
or they tried to make it go away the first time,
and then they finally made it go away with the
presidential pardon the second time, and they were looking the
other way the whole time because he was a protected Democrat.
(32:53):
This the Democrats have started to say, makes it seem
like there's even more of a leeway. I don't know
if Trump needs it, obviously, but more of a leeway
for Trump to pardon j six individuals. How do you
see that? And do they feel like, Wow, this is really,
you know, helping show the.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Two tier justice system that we've been subjected to exactly.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
And I do have a piece up at my subject
you Classified with Julie Kelly that talks about hardening all
January sixth defendants, regardless of their charges or their convictions,
because unlike the kid glove handling of Hunter Biden, who
was never subjected to a pre dawn armed raid by
the counter Terrorism Task Force, like all these J sixers are.
(33:38):
I know you saw the ring camera video I just
posted the other night of an FBI SWAT raid at
six o'clock in the morning, just this past October, of
a J six subject. So Hunter Biden wasn't subjected to
the torment the J sixers, especially those on non existent
charges right concocted charges. He was handled with kid gloves
(34:00):
the entire process. He did not face the true criminal
charges that he should have starting with the violations. But
I do think Bock it is a gift to the
president and to J six defendants because it does it
has created momentum for a blanket amnesty for J sixers,
regardless of their accusations against them. So to that point,
(34:24):
I think it's helpful because there is internal and external
debate as to what a pardon for J sixers look like.
Of course, the easy, low hanging fruit. You know, the
nine hundred or so who have been charged with misdemeanors before,
common misdemeanors that are not violent, that have never been
used in this capacity or wait previously and never will again.
(34:46):
So it's easy to pardon those. But there is some
dispute about how to handle those who were charged or
convicted with assault school police officers. Well, even those who
were charged or convicted had to face this highly partisan,
rigged legal and judicial system in Washington At You and
I and clave been talking about for years. They were
(35:08):
all of their due process rights were violated by the government,
by the judges, and of course by jurors, which is
why the DOJ has a one hundred percent conviction rate
before Washington BC juries. Why because they are all Democrats
who hate Donald Trump and his supporters. So from beginning
to end, Bock, this has been a rigged system. No
(35:30):
American should have fased. It violates our constitution. It violates
everything that we're about. And that is why I pulief
support able to depart in and if Joe Biden can
do it for his son covering eight years, then I
think the president and his team can do it for
they now almost sixteen hundred JA six defendants.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
What are something you mentioned someone who just had a
SWAT team arrive recently and for J six related eect
What are some of the sentences that have been handed
down for people for what is essentially assault on a
police officer. I mean, just to give us a sense
of what some of these what some of these you know,
(36:14):
judges have decided is fair when it comes to Trump
supporters and an assault on a police officer. I have
a feeling it was very different when it was BLM
supporters assaulting police officers, which we all got to watch
for an entire summer in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But give us a sense of.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
That, right, So to your point the letter, all charges
against BLM and Antifa, all federal charges were dropped by
the DCUs Attorney and the Department of Justice. So anyone
who was charged with assaulting police, and of course the
police were the bad guys. Back then, you remember that book, right,
there were congressional hearings from Democrats about park police and
(36:50):
Secret Service and how they treated those protesters who were
trying to you know, they burnt down part of Saint
John's Church across from the White House. They tried to
scale the White House Spence, but the bad guys in
that scenario were the police officers. January sixth, they again
assaultant and a tax protesters standing outside. They weren't doing
anything close to what the Elmina people were attempting. To
(37:11):
do in twenty twenty. Yet they received medals, They received,
you know, praised by the President. They were considered heroes,
not the villains if they were just six months previously.
But to your question, egregious sentences handed down for those
accused of confrontations with police. Five seven ten years in
(37:35):
federal prison for a man named Tom Webster, a former
New York Police New York City Police Department officer. He
was on detailer graasing mansion. He's a former marine, has
never been in trouble in his life. He confronted a
thug DC Metro police officer who repeatedly was shoving a
woman down the steps outside the Capitol. He got in
(37:56):
a confrontation with the police officer. He called him a communist,
don't attack American citizens. Nonetheless, the judge only allowed the
jury to see the confrontation with mister Webster in the
DC police officer, not what that police officer had been
doing ten to twelve minutes previously. Thomas Webster immediately convicted
one of the first trials in Washington in the spring
(38:18):
of twenty twenty two. Sentenced to ten years hard time
in federal prison. Never had a criminal record now there's
nothing comparable, not only in Washington, DC for a case
like first all kind of police officer, in the entire country.
So again, the sentences, like every other part of this
prosecution is so such a double standard of justice and
(38:42):
it just cannot cannot stand, and I don't think that
president in the end will allow it to stand.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Do we have any sense, truly, are you hearing anything
from your your sources and people in Trump circles that
you talk to about whether we can expect some in
an action right because this is the harm, especially for
those incarcerated, is a day to day thing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's every day.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
So every day after Trump takes office that nothing has
happened is another day that they are suffering. Do we
have any indications as to how quickly these pardons may
come down or we just don't know?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I mean, I I it's an issue. I think it's
a priority. I know that it's a priority with the
team and with the president. You know, it's you're it's
very complicated because you do have people who are in
federal prison. You've got hundreds of them in prison right
now on various charges or about to be sent to prison.
You know they're not stopping this. So I think that
(39:39):
there are very intense internal discussions as to what can
be done on day one. I fully expect something will
be done on day one, and then how it will
proceed from there, what the proper venue is, whether Attorney's office,
whether it's mean justice, you know how the rest of
those cases, convictions and those in prison especially are handboth. So,
(40:04):
but you're right, every day that goes on is another
day that that incarcerated defendant and his or her family
member suffers. And I don't think that that sort of
suffering is something the president and his administration is going
to want to prolong.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Declassified is Julie's sub stack. Go subscribe, Go check it out.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Julie Kelly, assuming this parton comes down, you got to
come on the show and talk to us that day
about what it's like for all the individuals you've been
trying to advocate for and work with up to this point.
I mean, I would assume, and I don't want to
get ahead of ourselves here, but I would assume there's
going to be a lot of tears of joy from
people who have had their lives given back to them.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
It's going to be an absolutely historic moment, but also
just personally, you know something that I think about now
all the time, what this is going to mean for
these people and their families. And yes, I definitely would
love to come back on when that happens in any
future action take again to free these political prisoners.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Julie, Tell everybody Julie, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Take care, but thanks.
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Speaker 1 (42:40):
All right, welcome back in.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I just saw report in New York Posts saying not
a single senator is opposing Pete's nomination.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
So it's looking like Pete's going to be a NEXTEX
very defensive area.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
It's not official, not official, I shouldn't obviously not official
until he has.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
The job, but it is looking good. For him right now.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
We had we have him on Capitol Hill. We're not
going to play it because you really, those of you
who spent time in Capitol Hill. No, it is just
echoes everywhere in those hallways, on the marble steps. But
I can tell you Pete said he was asked by reporters,
he's with his wife. He said, I spoke to Trump
this morning. He said keep fighting.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Pete's insisting he's not going to back down and he's
not going to let the media do this one. So
it looks like those senators who were having you know,
maybe maybe Lindsey.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Graham just wanted some attention.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
I don't know, you know, they were having some problems
again with some of the stuff that had been reported,
some of it alleged, some of it fact, but they
were having issues with whatever. Or maybe they just thought that,
you know, having a guy who's not former board member
of Raytheon or something as Secretary Defense is a bad idea.
But anyway, it's looking good for Pete. Happy for happy
(43:53):
for my friend, and I think that that will be
fantastic if it if it goes through. So a little bit,
you know, this morning, it was starting to be you
had you had Graham, Urkowski, Collins, Ernst. I didn't mention this.
Jony Ernst was kind of ify on it from what
I had seen, And it looks like Pete with his
(44:14):
up on Capitol Hill, he slipped it around. So that
means it's looking good right now from a Senate confirmation point.
He still has the President's full backing, and so my expectation.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right now is that Pete's actually going to get through.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
We've also got the big Supreme Court oral arguments this
morning on the trans surgery for minors issue, and I
just want to note they call it gender affirmation.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Surgery, And isn't that so interesting? You're supposed to use
a term that effectively seeds the argument it is affirming
their new gender, as if it is possible to really
do that.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
You can't actually change genders. It's not a thing they know.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And they'll say, oh, but gender and sex are different.
I know, they get into all they twist and turn
and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They'll say that, and then they'll say that a man
who identifies as a woman should be able to get
into a boxing ring with a woman and just absolutely,
you know, beat her into a coma. And then that's
fair because she's actually a woman. Right, So they'll say, oh,
they get into all this sort of campus Wesleyan or
Brown University faculty lounge talk about gender and identity and
(45:29):
all this stuff, but ultimately it's no, this is a
woman now, and you have to say it's a woman.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
And we've seen where it goes, right, We've seen the
slope is very slippery. You have to remember that people
say slippery slope fallacy, it's actually not a fallacy. The
slope is very slippery.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
And we have.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Matt wallsh who's done great work on this. Lots of
respect for what he's done on this issue. He's taken
a lot of heat for it. He's got a lot
of death threats for it. He's out there in front
of he was obviously isn't live. He was out there
in front of the Supreme Court speaking on this issue.
You'll hear their activist sort of shouting and trying to
stop him from being able to speak. But I think
(46:11):
it'll be clear enough to use. We want to play
some of it.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Here's here's Matt Walsh on why this gender transition law
are banning the gender transitions of miners in Tennessee is
an absolute moral necessity and a legal necessity for the
court play.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
We recognize three very basic truths. First, that biology is real,
It is immutable. It is not subject to the whims
of any individual or government or medical organization. Men are men,
Women are women.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
That's all there is to it.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
You cannot change a person's biological identity, you cannot change.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Their sex, and you should not try.
Speaker 8 (46:48):
Second, that the most essential and fundamental duty of any
society is.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
To protect their children.
Speaker 8 (46:53):
A country that cannot or will not protect its children
is a country that deserves.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
To die and will. Children are their innocence and helpless.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
They know very little about themselves, very little about the
world around them. The third truth is this that gender ideology,
the radical leftist doctrine that claims that girls can be
boys and boys can be girls, and that such an
impossible transition could be made possible through irreversible drugs and surgery.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Gender ideology is deeply sinister.
Speaker 8 (47:22):
It is a unique threats to children in particular.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
He's right all.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Three points, and Matt has been on this issue for
a long time and understands that they're always shifting and
always changing the arguments to avoid the obvious truths in
front of your face. Right, They're always trying to make
this about, Oh, there's some other external entity, some other
(47:49):
organization that blesses this. Therefore you can't think about what's
really going on, or this is about being kind, even
though it's not about being kind. It's about people telling
you that you have to live a lie, you have
to live their lie. Essentially, the fact that this has
been able to go as far as it has, which
(48:09):
we're now at the phase already where they have put
men and women's prisons, men and women's sports, men and
women's locker rooms, this is what is inevitably was going
to turn into. And I remember this from over a
decade ago, when I would talk about this on my
show in the early days, I said, you know, this
is there's no way they're going to stop here because
(48:32):
the unchangeable logic immutable, the unchangeable logic of this, the
enduring truth is that what they are telling you doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
And if it.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Doesn't matter, for example, what your genitalia is, and society
is not allowed to make rules that separate people and
treat people buy their gender and treat people differently. If
society is not allowed to do that. Why does some
effort to change genitals signify a change in gender? They
(49:13):
have no answer for this. They don't even attempt to
answer this, and you know, I know that they will
occasionally play this game. They try this sometimes and say,
what about individuals who are intersex, which is a very
rare but real medical condition where you have some formation
of both male and female parts. It can manifest itself differently. Well,
(49:37):
those generally in those cases they based upon the development
of those characteristics. The person ends up living as either
one or the other. And that's not what the transagenda
is about. That's not because that's an incredibly rare condition
and that's something that is medically that is real and
(50:00):
that does happen.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
But no, they want.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
People who have lived their life for twenty you know,
they're in their thirties, their forties.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
They say, well, now i'm a woman, you have to
treat me like I'm a woman. It's very rarely that
it's and I shouldn't say's very rare, but it's more
rare that it goes in the other direction, or a
woman wants to be mad. Though the lawyer who argue
this before the Supreme Court falls into that category. If
this was just about individual adults making choices, then I
(50:29):
could see how a lot of people come to the Okay,
well it's fine, let people make their own choices conclusion.
But it never is that. And this is what I
was talking to Clay about before he had to jet.
They want you to start. This is why the pronoun
thing is so important. The pronoun thing is so important.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Because it is a concession right off the bat, and
they say, be polite, use the preferred pronoun, use the
preferred announce your pronoun. So now everyone does this, normalize pronoun,
announce smith, so that then everyone is doing it, so
then it feels like it's just this thing that's out there,
and then people can choose what they want. And it's
(51:08):
all a concerted campaign. When we know that in a
just normal society to look at some as that's a he,
that's a she, you know, and in a very rare moment,
if you don't know, you ask, and you get to
the biological reality of it real fast because you can
tell by their voice, you can tell by their facial features.
I mean, this is not this is not really as
(51:29):
complicated as they want to make it seem. But ultimately
it comes down to power, because the power to make
you say things that you know are untrue, the power
to make you go along with lies and to make
you celebrate them, to make you believe them, is the
ultimate political power. I mean, this is what totalitarian systems want.
(51:53):
For example, right this, this is something I've made quite
a study of.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Maybe it's in my next next, it's in my book
which will be coming out in the fall, well Sotalitarian
systems always have to be built upon lies and the
forced belief in lies, because once people no longer are
even entitled to parse what is true and what is false,
you can tell them and make them believe or make
them live their lives as though they believe absolutely anything.
(52:20):
And if we're going to be a society where a
two hundred and fifty pound man with you know, a
beard and chest hair, who grows his hair long and
gets his fingernails painted because this stuff does happen, says,
you know, I'm a woman now, and you have to
just go along with that. And if you're a woman,
or if your daughter is a thirteen year old, she
has to change the same dressing room and she this
(52:43):
is where we have to draw a line. And Matt
Walsh is completely correct. I think the Supreme Court is
going to draw this line just on the issue of
gender affirming care, which is another way of saying, you know,
gender transition surgery, sex change operation is what we used
to call them. I mean, interesting, why don't we call
that anymore? Ah, because you're changing it. Notice they wanted
(53:06):
to be affirming it. The language is very important here,
which is just like what the pronoun thing. The language
component matters gender affirmation, that's what you're supposed to call it.
They're not illegal aliens, they're undocumented. Just give them documents
and then everything is fine. Right, So now, actually they're migrants.
Now you've noticed they've they've completely even gotten beyond the undocumented.
(53:28):
Now it's now migrants is the new term. And I
even find myself using it sometimes because unfortunately, unfortunately, and
people argue with me on this, but they're wrong. Some
of the people who are here entered illegally but are
not currently in an illegal status because they are pending
an asylum hearing, and our law lets them do that,
(53:50):
so that you know, and you could say, oh, but
they've lied. Yeah, well, that's what the hearing is for.
So anyway, this is why I think the gender issue
is so important to the left as well. And this
is another one of the games they play, why do
you care about it so much?
Speaker 1 (54:06):
They'll say, well, why.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Do they care about it so much? They're the ones
that have made this a big issue. I know, I'm
not sitting here saying that there should be trans individuals
competing against men in sports. You know, I'm not the
one pushing this or sorry, competing against women in sports,
you know what I mean. And I just think it's
(54:28):
so important that we're able to say what is true.
If we lose what is true, what's the point of
free speech? If we lose what is true, what's the
point of the First Amendment?
Speaker 1 (54:37):
And you know that's you know, that's where it is.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Look, man, it's so much of a seesaw here. I'm now,
I'm not going to people telling me some inside it's
so hard. This is all an info, op, right, And
I'm just going on what people are telling me that
they've heard from other people. But now I'm hearing a
couple of senators are getting a little uh uh oh, no,
(55:02):
I'm sorry, Well they're they're they're they're gonna be hmm.
I gotta I gotta parse this a little bit. There
are some senators who may be still concerned. It's different
reporting on this is all I'm saying. Anyway, I think
I think Pete's I think Pete's right now as of today,
I think he's got the senators he needs on his side.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of The Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. We got a lot of news
racked and stacked.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We're gonna make it all make sense, So come in
close for a big radio huge much to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We got the.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Eric Adams statement about illegals in New York City and
how he feels about them. Is this a turning of
the tide for the Big Apple when it comes to
the migrant aka illegal alien problem. I think that's something
that we're gonna spend a little bit of time on.
There's an opportunity here for the mayor of America's largest
(00:39):
city to really step into the mandate of making New
York safe again, which would in fact be a huge
step toward making New York great again. And given what
the Feds have done to him there for speaking out
about migrants in the first place.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Maybe Mayor Eric Adams should to have a little outreach
to the incoming president. One thing about Trump, you got
to give him credit for. If you're willing to do
the job, if you're willing to be maga, there's always
room on the Trump train. There's always room for allies.
In fact, I think one of Trump's favorite things is
to flip opponents to allies. Now, maybe getting ahead of ourselves,
(01:18):
Eric Adams might put out a statement tomorrow about how
awful Trump is. Who knows, but interesting situation about the
migrants in New York City. You've also got, oh boy,
the dea pick. Chad Cronister has stepped out of the mix, Clay,
and I can get into some of why that happened.
The jury has the Daniel Penny trial also in New
(01:42):
York City. We'll bring you any updates on that we
could get, right, Clay, We could get a verity at
any point. Yeah, it could happen while we're on the air,
so we'll be focused in on that one we've got.
I don't know, this is interesting to us in the
media because it's been a long time coming. ABC News
staffers working in near decrepit building with no Wi Fi,
(02:05):
no heat as Good Morning America ratings tank. I just
think that's interesting, Clay, because it's not only the more
left wing MSNBC right, like the openly partisan outlets that
are getting hit now. It's like morning shows where one
minute they're doing news, the next minute they're like here's
the best way to make a summer salad.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like they're getting hit two. I think there's a big
change in the media that's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
There's even more.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The judge in the Hunter Biden case, which now is
not a case anymore because the pardon had some scathing
words about Biden's lie in the part in Biden fell
asleep in Africa he's in Angola giving away taxpayer dollars.
And we've also got Clay's going to dive into this
in the next hour. In Tennessee, the State of Tennessee
(02:54):
in a lawsuit with the Biden administration over the issue
of transsurgery for my and a ban on transferds in
Tennessee Supreme Court heard those oral arguments this morning. Clay
lawyer Clay going to step in and tell us what
he thinks on that one. Clay, I gotta say, you know,
the the biggest to the two biggest missions of the
(03:17):
Trump administration, I think quite clearly are the border and
the bureaucracy, right or you know, illegals and the deep state.
Different ways you can say the same thing, Mayor Adams.
I don't take this as a minor thing. I think
this is an interesting place to go. I think it's
(03:38):
something of outreach to the incoming administration too. This is
cut twelve. He's just saying, I'm deporting criminals going forward,
I'm gonna help ice and you can quote cancel me.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
If you've got a problem with that play it.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I want you to all go back and google Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama. Google what they said about those
who could make crimes in our city and what they
say in our country. They said, those who commit crimes
need to get out right away. That was their position.
So this is not a new position, you know, because
in the state of the in the era of cancel culture,
(04:14):
no one's afraid to be honest about the truth. Well,
cancel me, because I'm going to protect the people of
this city. And if you come into this country, in
this city and think you're going to harm innocent New
Yorkers and innocent migrants and asylum seekers, this is not
the mayor you want to be in the city under.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
All right, now, he's still with the asylum secrets who
don't commit crimes. I caught that point at the end.
But Clay, it has been a huge fight with Democrats
to even get them to agree that illegals like the
one who went on to rape and murder Lake and
Riley should be deported with the help of local and
state police.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah. Look, and.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think Mayor Adams is right on this, And this
is why I said, A part of me thinks that
Trump should come in and just immediately pardon Eric Adams
as part of his decision to pardon the jan six guys.
And I remember I said, and a lot of people
out there got upset. You had, I think had the
same take that it would not be a bad move
(05:15):
for Trump to also pardon Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I had the same take as you. I wasn't upset
by the take.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yes, correct, No, yes, you and I had the same take.
Many of our listeners out there were. But to me,
it's a clear the decks move. Hey, we're turning the
page to steal a line from Gamala Harris on the
Law Fair that became very commonplace associated with everything surrounding
the Biden team. And I think Trump's got an ally
(05:41):
in Eric Adams when it comes to issues of migrants
illegally taking over the.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
City of New York. Buck for you, I'm flying up
to New York.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm ducking out the third hour because I'm going to
Israel for the show on Thursday evening.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's just a little bit of background.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You. You know, they banned Airbnb in New York City,
so basically you can't put your home on Airbnb. They
also have I think it's over ten percent of all
hotel rooms right now are taken by.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Twenty twenty, it's twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, twenty percent of New York City hotel rooms are
taken over by by people there and they live there.
They're not there for a night while they're being processed
to the facility or something. They live there. You can't
get a hotel room now in New York City right
now for less than like five hundred bucks. If you
(06:37):
want to be anywhere around Midtown. Some of the rooms
are thousand dollars a night. Why do I bring that
up because I'm traveling up and having to stay there
right now.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
New York City is broken in many ways.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean, you see the assassination, Yes, I was gonna say,
right of a major hotel. It appears there was a
gangland style hit on a prominent business executive Clay outside
of a hotel. It's outside of our New York City office.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's where I'll be doing the show to one, You'll be.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Doing the show right in the vicinity of I mean people, remember,
you know, in Midtown, it's not hard to find where
people are.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's not some big secret, right, you can google these things.
You're talking about. A stone's throwaway from that assassination is
where you're going to be doing the radio show tomorrow.
My point being that is the heart of New York City.
That is the absolute center of New York, the business district,
Midtown near It's right near Rockefeller Center, it's right near
(07:34):
Central Park. I mean, it's and it's just a brazen
assassination attempt. I saw some clips from the NYPD conference
on it, and it looks like this. This is I mean,
it's a pro or professional hit. The guy had to
clear a malfunction his weapon quickly, multiple shots from behind,
jumped on an e bike, had his face and head
and everything covered. I mean, this was not like, you know,
(07:55):
at least it doesn't strike me as like a rage
filled you know, lover's quarrel or some kind of nonsense.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
This is a This looks like a professional hit. So
that's another thing. The city of New York is looking
at it right now. They've got to just get the
crime issue in general down there were there was recently
a broad daylight two armed men carjacking clay on eighty
third in Broadway again, eighty third and Broadway. You can't
(08:23):
get an apartment on an eighty third and Broadway. You
can't get a studio for less than a million bucks.
I mean, this is this is fancy, high end parts
of Gotham, you know, of America's grandest city, and it's
just too much. People are waking up to this. New
York did trend toward Trump, not enough, unfortunately, but New
York State trended toward Trump in this last election. And
(08:44):
the issue of the of migrants in New York City.
I think this played a big role in the in
the national election. I think it shows how clear Trump's
mandate is. And I believe there's a real opportunity here
for Eric Adams to say, look, I don't agree with
Trump on a lot, but I'll work with his administration
on making sure that criminal illegals are deported as expeditiously
(09:05):
as possible. That's common ground that I think would would
go over very well on both sides. We'll see if
he's also they're prosecuting him, right, so there's that his
team has betrayed him.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and look, I just.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
To your point, new York City, Trump got more votes
than any Republican since nineteen eighty eight. So that's a
pretty seismic change. And the votes that he was getting
were overwhelmingly coming from non traditional Republican areas. Remember one
of the districts that moved the most in Trump's direction
was AOC's. And you know, it's kind of staggering when
(09:40):
you consider that there's talk, oh, AOC may run for
president in twenty twenty eight, and I actually think she will,
and we'll see how that plays going forward. I think
that's her next move. She's not going to run for
governor or Senate in New York. I think she feels
like she has a big enough platform now that she
can make a run for president of the United States.
But so you got chaos in New York, you've also
(10:03):
got right now, Pete hegset buck under a level of
attack that is higher, I think right now than what
they did with Matt Gates. I think they felt like
Matt Gates never had the support and so he never
really got you agree with this, and there was never
really an aggressive go after Matt Gates media campaign because
(10:27):
I think they kind of knew the votes weren't there
and they never needed to unleash the hounds, so to speak.
You and I need to weigh in on some of
this stuff because the amount of stories that are coming
out just going after Pete Hegset for everything. NBC News
has a monster story where they basically accused him of
(10:48):
being a drunk who was unable to do television and done,
You've worked with Pete. I've worked with Pete. I mean
this is something we can speak of a direct personal knowledge.
The nastiness of this campaign that they have unleashed against
Pete hegseth is is cat Brett Kavanaugh.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like they called my wife on her personal cell phone.
You could say it, I want, I didn't want to
say it, but.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, no, I know, I'll say it. They called my
wife on her personal cell phone looking for dirt on
our friend Pete and Carrie's Carrie, she doesn't talk to
regime media got a click right away. But point here being,
they are going all out to do whatever they can
uh to destroy him. I think with Matt Gates Clay.
Part of it was the initial Gates stuff was well
(11:32):
wait till wait till the set you know, he's going
to have his say before the Senate. There wasn't a
lot of new information. It was all known.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
They've been on a dig up everything campaign against against Pete.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They also were trying to get the report out against
Matt Gates. That was going to be the whole thing.
So they were lobbying to get the report out With Pete.
They've been you know, they're going back to an investigative
reporting and trying to do oppo research on him, you know,
back to high school. I'm sure, back to you know,
when he was in his first boy Scout ribbons or whatever.
I mean, they're they're going all out. I was actually
having a call with the buddy the other day. We
(12:06):
were talking yesterday about the heagset thing, and I'm like,
I don't know that we've seen anything of this measure
and magnitude, because I don't think Pete Hegseth is an
unknown dude. I mean, he's on television all the time
for Fox News. I'm stunned by how threatened they are
by him, to the extent that they've come after him
(12:27):
with everything they've got.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
What I'm seeing is that the storyline is that Trump
is waffling, and I think they're trying to use that storyline,
meaning the media saying it that Trump is waffling about
the hegseet appointment, so that then it becomes it's like
a self fulfilling prophecy, right, it's oh, Trump's waffling, And
then that gets back to Trump and people start to say, well,
(12:49):
you know, maybe this I think they're trying to create
cracks in this. I don't know, man, the inner circle
of decision making on this is very tight.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Let's come back. Let let's talk about this a little
bit more.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Shall Yeah, let's get into this and have more of
a discussion about it, because, uh, you've got three names
in the mix right now for d O D chief.
Three names our friend Pete heg Seth, the fantastic Ron DeSantis,
and our friend Bridge Colby, who's brilliant. These are the
three names that are being reported as possible secretary of Defense.
(13:21):
Let's come back.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And also, if anybody has a particularly strong opinion on that,
I want to know what you think, because to me,
you know, this is like if I knew who played
sports more. I'd start saying great sports people. But you know,
this is like Jerald pick between. This is like picking
between yeah, pickles. This is like picking between Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen and and well, let's just say it's like
(13:44):
picking between Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, clearly the two
best quarterbacks in the end.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Great great people for the job that I think would
get it done. But if you have strong opinions on it,
I definitely want I definitely want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So we'll get into that.
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you or rolling with us this chaos and craziness
inside the Supreme Court over child gender mutilation. I think
it's fair to call it that. It actually is important
(15:25):
for you to understand how crazy some of these arguments
have become. The ACLU lawyer who are who is challenging
these issues says, basically, kids, which cut is it? Where?
He says, kid? I mean this whole thing is crazy, Buck,
(15:45):
but cut one. He says, basically infants young toddlers know
what gender they are and if they're a different Listen
to this, listen to cut one.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Nobody has to provide this medication to adolescents. These are
not doctors being forced to provide this medication. These are
doctors who are wanting to treat their patients in the
best way that they know how, based on the best
available evidence to us. And these are young people who
may have known since they were two years old exactly
who they are, who suffered for six seven years before
they had any relief. And what's happening here. It's not
(16:19):
the kids who are consenting to this treatment, it's the
parents who are consenting to the treatment. And as a parent,
I would say we when our children are suffering, we
are suffering.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And these are parents who love their.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Children, who are listening to the advice of their doctors,
of the mainstream medical community, and doing what's right for
their kids. In the state of Tennessee has displaced their judgment.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean two year old.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I mean it's important again to understand how crazy these
arguments are. Buck You will soon have a two year old.
You will hear your two year old make some truly
outrageous arguments. A lot of two year olds think they
are dinosaurs. Many two year olds out there think that
they are, that they are ghosts or goblins or jedis.
(17:03):
The idea that you would treat your two year old's
determination about what gender he or she is as the
truth is bonkers for anyone that has ever raised a
two year old. This is what they're arguing.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Though.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You know, people talk about the military industrial complex, and
that's that's obviously fair and important to be aware of
and to be on guard against. There's also a sort
of gender activist industrial complex, if you will. There's a
lot of money, time and effort from a whole range
(17:40):
of NGOs, a whole range of nonprofits.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Know things that are funded even by government dollars, that
people don't even know about, that are very in need
of the next civil rights crusade. Right in the aftermath
of the Supreme Court's gay marriage decision, there was huge
apparatus of people who feel a need both for financial,
professional reasons and personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I guess to.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Find the next crusade for them to make illegal and
cultural and political issue. And they have chosen this issue
of trans as the thing. And I think you have
to see how that fits into everything else that they
are doing and the reason that they are saying. So,
I just want to be clear, there's a big machine
behind this. And so when they say, oh, mainstream doctors,
(18:32):
when this woman says that mainstream doctors are transman, fine,
trans man, we can say, says that mainstream doctors want
to do this, well, there are ideologues in medicine. There
are also people who don't want to get their medical
licenses revoked. If you said masks don't work, you are
in danger of losing your medical license during COVID. Masks
(18:52):
don't work. We know that now, unless you're a moron,
you figured that out right. But medicine has been institutionally
shockingly wrong, shockingly bureaucratic, and grotesquely cowardly in the COVID
era because of the machinery that pushes these decisions, the
fauciism behind all of it. With the trans issue, Clay,
(19:14):
you look at what doctors are saying, and they won't
subject themselves to public scrutiny over these issues.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Why is it a problem.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
When Matt Walsh was finding out about the gender surgeries
that were going on in these different hospitals, why is
that an issue? It's not an issue when they find
out about how many heart surgeries are going on. If
it's just medical care, why don't they want to talk
about it. Why don't they want us to know more
about what's going on here? Why aren't there long term
studies posted on our website for everybody to see about
(19:43):
psychiatric wellness? Ten years after a thirteen year old girl
has her breast removed because it's very, very bad. They
are hiding, they are lying, And it is obvious to
anyone who's being being paid attention to all this issue,
has paid attention on this issue, and I mean this
fundamentally just manifests itself with we are supposed to look
(20:05):
at Riley Gaines and what was the name of the guy?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, do you mayr?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I don't remember his name? Leah Thomas. Leah Thomas will
Thomas was his name when he swam for the University
of Pennsylvania men's team. He then changed his name to
Leah and said he was a woman Clay just dead named.
I'm honestly, I'm just so sad now he's dead named someone. Yeah,
Leah Thomas. You're supposed to look at a six foot
three men with a penis and say that's a woman,
(20:31):
And I'm sorry, I just won't and I refuse.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And people can get.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Mad and they can say that's mean, and they can
say whatever, it's not true, and people can try to
force me to say things that are not true. But
I am always going to have a problem with that
and I'm going to refuse. And the idea that two
year olds know they are trans I mean, I ask
the trans advocates this, So can people be realized they're
(20:56):
entrans because that is a thing too. Yeah, so how
can you be born with something that is immutable and
needs to be a constitutionally protected characteristic. If you can
go the other way, if you can go back, you
can say I made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
This is this is a ssike, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It's by the way, the detransitioning thing is something they
absolutely they pretend it doesn't exist, but it is real.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And what they do here, what they're doing, what they're
trying to do kids as monstrous. Tennessee did the right
thing by trying to remember they're not even stopping this
for adults. There's a whole other thing that should be
the conversation about should adults even be doing this? I mean,
having their legal right to do it is one question.
Being encouraged by society to do it is another. I mean,
if you find out clay what it looks like for
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people who have they call it bottom surgery.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It is an.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Unhealing wound that has to be given sick to think about, right,
like the physics of it and the physicality of what
it requires. But you can think about it. It can't happen.
Someone could say I want to become a ze and
you could do a lot of things to them, but
you actually cannot create a zebra out of a human being.
You actually cannot create a woman out.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Of a man.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It is not possible. Again, it is a lie. And
so that's really where you see the lies pile the
top lies here. And they've used courtesy, and they have
used decency, and they have used kindness to push this
issue to the point where now they wanted to create
from the Supreme Court that nobody can stand in the
way of a thirteen year old girl who's or boy
(22:30):
or whatever, who is learning about life, who knows nothing,
who's not legally allowed to drink, who's not legally allowed
to consent to sexual activity, who's not legally allowed to
get a tattoo, as you point out, but get your
breasts removed or it could take puberty blockers.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It is insane what is going on, and we will
not get a single medical doctor, by the way, who'd
be willing to come on the show and actually defend
these processes, these procedures, other than just to say I'm
a doctor and I just do with The meta is
they won't describe what really goes on well.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And also this is important too.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I think there's a lot of blackmail intellectually that's going
on here because what they say to parents, they take
advantage of parental love and acquiescence in many ways. They say,
would you rather have this is a common thing. Would
you rather have a live daughter or dead son or
vice versa. The idea being your kid is going to
(23:27):
kill themselves if they aren't allowed to have this gender surgery,
and parents feel blackmailed because God forbid any parent out
there suicide if you ever have to.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Go through it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
The idea that your choice would directly implicate whether your
child is alive is emotional blackmail to parents. It's a
lot of parents question this, but they have doctors telling
them this, who are doing these surgeries and but this
just came down today. I do think it's kind of
consequential credit the LPGA. The LPGA has banned anyone who
(24:02):
was born as a male from ever being able to
compete in women's golf. This is a big deal because
there have been men who decide they identify as women
trying to do what Leah Thomas did and become female golfers.
Here's the problem that I would point out. Here's the
direct quote. Athletes who are assigned female at birth are
(24:23):
eligible to compete on the LBGA Tour, Epsent Tour, European Tour,
all other elite LPGA competitions. Players assigned male at birth
and assigned male at birth like this phrasing is ridiculous.
But players assigned male at birth, and here's a loophole
and who have gone through male puberty are not eligible
(24:45):
to compete in the aforementioned events. What they're trying to
do buck is argue, once you go through puberty, it's
harder to change your gender. That's why they want these
children to get puberty blockers, to have the surgeries early,
because until you go through adolescence, you don't develop adult
(25:06):
sexual organs. And I hate to say this, but that
is a form of direct child abuse that you wouldn't
allow a child to grow up.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But also.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This idea in general is actually encouraging younger transitioning because
they are saying, if you can delay puberty, then you
can change gender. This is the argument they're now making
to parents. And by the way, these puberty blockers, we're
just learning some of the impacts of this stuff, buck
because the people that had this done are just now
(25:39):
getting into their twenties and thirties. They are finding this
doesn't shouldn't shock anybody that your bones don't develop properly
when you restrict hormones estrogen, testosterone that would otherwise fuel growth.
So these people are not going to have normal lifespans.
They're rendered infertile for life. I mean just that by itself,
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would you ever imagine that you would allow your child
at thirteen or fourteen to say, I'm going to make
a decision that would never allow me to be a parent,
Because that's what's happening here.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's barbaric, there really is.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Look, I think this is one where we have to
draw it. There have to be a firm line drawn
on this one, I do think the Supreme Court is
going to find in favor of Tennessee's.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, I do firmly believe that. But I also know
to give you a sense of the power of this cult.
That's so to my Ore and KBJ are going to
find and Kagan are going to find in favor or
against the baron Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's going to be a six to three decision.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And by the way, what is also going to happen
here is some states are going to specifically say this
is allowed, and parents who are diluted are going to
take their kids across state lines to get their genitals
chopped off. I mean, if you're in Tennessee, I bet
Illinois is going to allow this surgery. So you're going
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to have parents crossing state lines to have these surgeries,
which is frankly why I think we need a national
ban on this. I hate to say that we have
to do it nationwide, but I think we do because
the response, if you're right, Buck, and I think you are,
that the Supreme Court is going to allow Tennessee to
make this decision, is actually going to be for left
wing states because this has become part of their orthodoxy
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to actually encourage people from other states to travel there
for the surgeries. And you know that I know the
mind of the left because I've been dealing with them
for a very long time and grew up in a
leftist enclave, Clay. If it comes to it, and they've
already started to do this, I know this has happened
in different places. If they had their way, and if
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the lives on the Supreme Court and the Democrat Party
had their way, a twelve year old who says I'm
not a girl or I'm not a girl, I'm a
boy who has parents who say no, we're not going
to do that. They would have child Services come and
intervene and force the transition and put the parents in
prison if they had to to make sure that that
transition went through, because that is how psychotic they are
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on this issue. You're right, And if the Supreme Court
rules as we think, I think it will actually accelerate
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Speaker 1 (30:05):
Joining me right now.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Our friend Julie Kelly Declassified is her sub stack. She's
done so much fantastic work on the issue of pardons
for J six justice involved individuals. It's the terminal left
views is for actual criminals, so I guess we'll find
something else for them.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Some people say political prisoners depends. Julie. Appreciate you being
with us.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I want to get into I want to get into
some of the appointees if I can here with you
for a second. I'm sure you're following this closely. I
know you know some of these individuals.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I from the tea leaf reading that I can do,
from the various senators and statements and things they've put out,
it seems like Pete is rallying up on Capitol Hill,
getting more Senators to come to his side.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And I would put the.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Likelihood of his confirmation going higher today than certainly it
seemed to be yesterday.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Sure that sounds about right, Buck. You know, you just
can't allow the caving in to these hit jobs, these
character assassination attempts by the media and Democrats, and it
appears some Republicans are behind this as well. So by
sticking with Pete's nomination, the President and everyone else on
(31:28):
the side demonstrates that those Breck Cavanaugh days are over
and it simply will not be tolerated because if this
nomination for somehow, somehow goes south, either maybe at the
hands of a group of Republican senators who don't want
the military reforms, who want to keep pumping billions of
(31:48):
dollars in Ukraine and other places, you know, to keep
the laundering machine of military defense contracts going, then you
know that will be a troublesome sign. Lly think that
it was a good sign today that the President spoke
out and also Pete himself. So your announcis is probably
(32:10):
spot on right there.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, we'll continue to follow it. I just feel like
we could get more updates while we're here on air.
In this hour, let's transition to what's going on with
the j six pardons that everyone's hoping are going to
be coming. I think it will be worthwhile, Julie, for
you to remind everybody of you know, in the aftermath
(32:32):
of the Hunter Biden pardon, for example, and there was
really no dispute over the facts. Hunter Biden committed many,
many crimes, and they tried to make it go away,
or they tried to make it go away the first time,
and then they finally made it go away with the
presidential pardon the second time, and they were looking the
other way the whole time because he was a protected Democrat.
(32:53):
This the Democrats have started to say, makes it seem
like there's even more of a leeway. I don't know
if Trump needs it, obviously, but more of a leeway
for Trump to pardon j six individuals. How do you
see that? And do they feel like, Wow, this is really,
you know, helping show the.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Two tier justice system that we've been subjected to exactly.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
And I do have a piece up at my subject
you Classified with Julie Kelly that talks about hardening all
January sixth defendants, regardless of their charges or their convictions,
because unlike the kid glove handling of Hunter Biden, who
was never subjected to a pre dawn armed raid by
the counter Terrorism Task Force, like all these J sixers are.
(33:38):
I know you saw the ring camera video I just
posted the other night of an FBI SWAT raid at
six o'clock in the morning, just this past October, of
a J six subject. So Hunter Biden wasn't subjected to
the torment the J sixers, especially those on non existent
charges right concocted charges. He was handled with kid gloves
(34:00):
the entire process. He did not face the true criminal
charges that he should have starting with the violations. But
I do think Bock it is a gift to the
president and to J six defendants because it does it
has created momentum for a blanket amnesty for J sixers,
regardless of their accusations against them. So to that point,
(34:24):
I think it's helpful because there is internal and external
debate as to what a pardon for J sixers look like.
Of course, the easy, low hanging fruit. You know, the
nine hundred or so who have been charged with misdemeanors before,
common misdemeanors that are not violent, that have never been
used in this capacity or wait previously and never will again.
(34:46):
So it's easy to pardon those. But there is some
dispute about how to handle those who were charged or
convicted with assault school police officers. Well, even those who
were charged or convicted had to face this highly partisan,
rigged legal and judicial system in Washington At You and
I and clave been talking about for years. They were
(35:08):
all of their due process rights were violated by the government,
by the judges, and of course by jurors, which is
why the DOJ has a one hundred percent conviction rate
before Washington BC juries. Why because they are all Democrats
who hate Donald Trump and his supporters. So from beginning
to end, Bock, this has been a rigged system. No
(35:30):
American should have fased. It violates our constitution. It violates
everything that we're about. And that is why I pulief
support able to depart in and if Joe Biden can
do it for his son covering eight years, then I
think the president and his team can do it for
they now almost sixteen hundred JA six defendants.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
What are something you mentioned someone who just had a
SWAT team arrive recently and for J six related eect
What are some of the sentences that have been handed
down for people for what is essentially assault on a
police officer. I mean, just to give us a sense
of what some of these what some of these you know,
(36:14):
judges have decided is fair when it comes to Trump
supporters and an assault on a police officer. I have
a feeling it was very different when it was BLM
supporters assaulting police officers, which we all got to watch
for an entire summer in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But give us a sense of.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
That, right, So to your point the letter, all charges
against BLM and Antifa, all federal charges were dropped by
the DCUs Attorney and the Department of Justice. So anyone
who was charged with assaulting police, and of course the
police were the bad guys. Back then, you remember that book, right,
there were congressional hearings from Democrats about park police and
(36:50):
Secret Service and how they treated those protesters who were
trying to you know, they burnt down part of Saint
John's Church across from the White House. They tried to
scale the White House Spence, but the bad guys in
that scenario were the police officers. January sixth, they again
assaultant and a tax protesters standing outside. They weren't doing
anything close to what the Elmina people were attempting. To
(37:11):
do in twenty twenty. Yet they received medals, They received,
you know, praised by the President. They were considered heroes,
not the villains if they were just six months previously.
But to your question, egregious sentences handed down for those
accused of confrontations with police. Five seven ten years in
(37:35):
federal prison for a man named Tom Webster, a former
New York Police New York City Police Department officer. He
was on detailer graasing mansion. He's a former marine, has
never been in trouble in his life. He confronted a
thug DC Metro police officer who repeatedly was shoving a
woman down the steps outside the Capitol. He got in
(37:56):
a confrontation with the police officer. He called him a communist,
don't attack American citizens. Nonetheless, the judge only allowed the
jury to see the confrontation with mister Webster in the
DC police officer, not what that police officer had been
doing ten to twelve minutes previously. Thomas Webster immediately convicted
one of the first trials in Washington in the spring
(38:18):
of twenty twenty two. Sentenced to ten years hard time
in federal prison. Never had a criminal record now there's
nothing comparable, not only in Washington, DC for a case
like first all kind of police officer, in the entire country.
So again, the sentences, like every other part of this
prosecution is so such a double standard of justice and
(38:42):
it just cannot cannot stand, and I don't think that
president in the end will allow it to stand.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Do we have any sense, truly, are you hearing anything
from your your sources and people in Trump circles that
you talk to about whether we can expect some in
an action right because this is the harm, especially for
those incarcerated, is a day to day thing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's every day.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
So every day after Trump takes office that nothing has
happened is another day that they are suffering. Do we
have any indications as to how quickly these pardons may
come down or we just don't know?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I mean, I I it's an issue. I think it's
a priority. I know that it's a priority with the
team and with the president. You know, it's you're it's
very complicated because you do have people who are in
federal prison. You've got hundreds of them in prison right
now on various charges or about to be sent to prison.
You know they're not stopping this. So I think that
(39:39):
there are very intense internal discussions as to what can
be done on day one. I fully expect something will
be done on day one, and then how it will
proceed from there, what the proper venue is, whether Attorney's office,
whether it's mean justice, you know how the rest of
those cases, convictions and those in prison especially are handboth. So,
(40:04):
but you're right, every day that goes on is another
day that that incarcerated defendant and his or her family
member suffers. And I don't think that that sort of
suffering is something the president and his administration is going
to want to prolong.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Declassified is Julie's sub stack. Go subscribe, Go check it out.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Julie Kelly, assuming this parton comes down, you got to
come on the show and talk to us that day
about what it's like for all the individuals you've been
trying to advocate for and work with up to this point.
I mean, I would assume, and I don't want to
get ahead of ourselves here, but I would assume there's
going to be a lot of tears of joy from
people who have had their lives given back to them.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
It's going to be an absolutely historic moment, but also
just personally, you know something that I think about now
all the time, what this is going to mean for
these people and their families. And yes, I definitely would
love to come back on when that happens in any
future action take again to free these political prisoners.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Julie, Tell everybody Julie, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Take care, but thanks.
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Speaker 1 (42:40):
All right, welcome back in.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I just saw report in New York Posts saying not
a single senator is opposing Pete's nomination.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
So it's looking like Pete's going to be a NEXTEX
very defensive area.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
It's not official, not official, I shouldn't obviously not official
until he has.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
The job, but it is looking good. For him right now.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
We had we have him on Capitol Hill. We're not
going to play it because you really, those of you
who spent time in Capitol Hill. No, it is just
echoes everywhere in those hallways, on the marble steps. But
I can tell you Pete said he was asked by reporters,
he's with his wife. He said, I spoke to Trump
this morning. He said keep fighting.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Pete's insisting he's not going to back down and he's
not going to let the media do this one. So
it looks like those senators who were having you know,
maybe maybe Lindsey.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Graham just wanted some attention.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
I don't know, you know, they were having some problems
again with some of the stuff that had been reported,
some of it alleged, some of it fact, but they
were having issues with whatever. Or maybe they just thought that,
you know, having a guy who's not former board member
of Raytheon or something as Secretary Defense is a bad idea.
But anyway, it's looking good for Pete. Happy for happy
(43:53):
for my friend, and I think that that will be
fantastic if it if it goes through. So a little bit,
you know, this morning, it was starting to be you
had you had Graham, Urkowski, Collins, Ernst. I didn't mention this.
Jony Ernst was kind of ify on it from what
I had seen, And it looks like Pete with his
(44:14):
up on Capitol Hill, he slipped it around. So that
means it's looking good right now from a Senate confirmation point.
He still has the President's full backing, and so my expectation.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Right now is that Pete's actually going to get through.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
We've also got the big Supreme Court oral arguments this
morning on the trans surgery for minors issue, and I
just want to note they call it gender affirmation.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Surgery, And isn't that so interesting? You're supposed to use
a term that effectively seeds the argument it is affirming
their new gender, as if it is possible to really
do that.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
You can't actually change genders. It's not a thing they know.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And they'll say, oh, but gender and sex are different.
I know, they get into all they twist and turn
and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They'll say that, and then they'll say that a man
who identifies as a woman should be able to get
into a boxing ring with a woman and just absolutely,
you know, beat her into a coma. And then that's
fair because she's actually a woman. Right, So they'll say, oh,
they get into all this sort of campus Wesleyan or
Brown University faculty lounge talk about gender and identity and
(45:29):
all this stuff, but ultimately it's no, this is a
woman now, and you have to say it's a woman.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
And we've seen where it goes, right, We've seen the
slope is very slippery. You have to remember that people
say slippery slope fallacy, it's actually not a fallacy. The
slope is very slippery.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
And we have.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Matt wallsh who's done great work on this. Lots of
respect for what he's done on this issue. He's taken
a lot of heat for it. He's got a lot
of death threats for it. He's out there in front
of he was obviously isn't live. He was out there
in front of the Supreme Court speaking on this issue.
You'll hear their activist sort of shouting and trying to
stop him from being able to speak. But I think
(46:11):
it'll be clear enough to use. We want to play
some of it.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Here's here's Matt Walsh on why this gender transition law
are banning the gender transitions of miners in Tennessee is
an absolute moral necessity and a legal necessity for the
court play.
Speaker 8 (46:27):
We recognize three very basic truths. First, that biology is real,
It is immutable. It is not subject to the whims
of any individual or government or medical organization. Men are men,
Women are women.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
That's all there is to it.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
You cannot change a person's biological identity, you cannot change.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Their sex, and you should not try.
Speaker 8 (46:48):
Second, that the most essential and fundamental duty of any
society is.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
To protect their children.
Speaker 8 (46:53):
A country that cannot or will not protect its children
is a country that deserves.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
To die and will. Children are their innocence and helpless.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
They know very little about themselves, very little about the
world around them. The third truth is this that gender ideology,
the radical leftist doctrine that claims that girls can be
boys and boys can be girls, and that such an
impossible transition could be made possible through irreversible drugs and surgery.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Gender ideology is deeply sinister.
Speaker 8 (47:22):
It is a unique threats to children in particular.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
He's right all.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Three points, and Matt has been on this issue for
a long time and understands that they're always shifting and
always changing the arguments to avoid the obvious truths in
front of your face. Right, They're always trying to make
this about, Oh, there's some other external entity, some other
(47:49):
organization that blesses this. Therefore you can't think about what's
really going on, or this is about being kind, even
though it's not about being kind. It's about people telling
you that you have to live a lie, you have
to live their lie. Essentially, the fact that this has
been able to go as far as it has, which
(48:09):
we're now at the phase already where they have put
men and women's prisons, men and women's sports, men and
women's locker rooms, this is what is inevitably was going
to turn into. And I remember this from over a
decade ago, when I would talk about this on my
show in the early days, I said, you know, this
is there's no way they're going to stop here because
(48:32):
the unchangeable logic immutable, the unchangeable logic of this, the
enduring truth is that what they are telling you doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
And if it.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Doesn't matter, for example, what your genitalia is, and society
is not allowed to make rules that separate people and
treat people buy their gender and treat people differently. If
society is not allowed to do that. Why does some
effort to change genitals signify a change in gender? They
(49:13):
have no answer for this. They don't even attempt to
answer this, and you know, I know that they will
occasionally play this game. They try this sometimes and say,
what about individuals who are intersex, which is a very
rare but real medical condition where you have some formation
of both male and female parts. It can manifest itself differently. Well,
(49:37):
those generally in those cases they based upon the development
of those characteristics. The person ends up living as either
one or the other. And that's not what the transagenda
is about. That's not because that's an incredibly rare condition
and that's something that is medically that is real and
(50:00):
that does happen.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
But no, they want.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
People who have lived their life for twenty you know,
they're in their thirties, their forties.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
They say, well, now i'm a woman, you have to
treat me like I'm a woman. It's very rarely that
it's and I shouldn't say's very rare, but it's more
rare that it goes in the other direction, or a
woman wants to be mad. Though the lawyer who argue
this before the Supreme Court falls into that category. If
this was just about individual adults making choices, then I
(50:29):
could see how a lot of people come to the Okay,
well it's fine, let people make their own choices conclusion.
But it never is that. And this is what I
was talking to Clay about before he had to jet.
They want you to start. This is why the pronoun
thing is so important. The pronoun thing is so important.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Because it is a concession right off the bat, and
they say, be polite, use the preferred pronoun, use the
preferred announce your pronoun. So now everyone does this, normalize pronoun,
announce smith, so that then everyone is doing it, so
then it feels like it's just this thing that's out there,
and then people can choose what they want. And it's
(51:08):
all a concerted campaign. When we know that in a
just normal society to look at some as that's a he,
that's a she, you know, and in a very rare moment,
if you don't know, you ask, and you get to
the biological reality of it real fast because you can
tell by their voice, you can tell by their facial features.
I mean, this is not this is not really as
(51:29):
complicated as they want to make it seem. But ultimately
it comes down to power, because the power to make
you say things that you know are untrue, the power
to make you go along with lies and to make
you celebrate them, to make you believe them, is the
ultimate political power. I mean, this is what totalitarian systems want.
(51:53):
For example, right this, this is something I've made quite
a study of.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Maybe it's in my next next, it's in my book
which will be coming out in the fall, well Sotalitarian
systems always have to be built upon lies and the
forced belief in lies, because once people no longer are
even entitled to parse what is true and what is false,
you can tell them and make them believe or make
them live their lives as though they believe absolutely anything.
(52:20):
And if we're going to be a society where a
two hundred and fifty pound man with you know, a
beard and chest hair, who grows his hair long and
gets his fingernails painted because this stuff does happen, says,
you know, I'm a woman now, and you have to
just go along with that. And if you're a woman,
or if your daughter is a thirteen year old, she
has to change the same dressing room and she this
(52:43):
is where we have to draw a line. And Matt
Walsh is completely correct. I think the Supreme Court is
going to draw this line just on the issue of
gender affirming care, which is another way of saying, you know,
gender transition surgery, sex change operation is what we used
to call them. I mean, interesting, why don't we call
that anymore? Ah, because you're changing it. Notice they wanted
(53:06):
to be affirming it. The language is very important here,
which is just like what the pronoun thing. The language
component matters gender affirmation, that's what you're supposed to call it.
They're not illegal aliens, they're undocumented. Just give them documents
and then everything is fine. Right, So now, actually they're migrants.
Now you've noticed they've they've completely even gotten beyond the undocumented.
(53:28):
Now it's now migrants is the new term. And I
even find myself using it sometimes because unfortunately, unfortunately, and
people argue with me on this, but they're wrong. Some
of the people who are here entered illegally but are
not currently in an illegal status because they are pending
an asylum hearing, and our law lets them do that,
(53:50):
so that you know, and you could say, oh, but
they've lied. Yeah, well, that's what the hearing is for.
So anyway, this is why I think the gender issue
is so important to the left as well. And this
is another one of the games they play, why do
you care about it so much?
Speaker 1 (54:06):
They'll say, well, why.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Do they care about it so much? They're the ones
that have made this a big issue. I know, I'm
not sitting here saying that there should be trans individuals
competing against men in sports. You know, I'm not the
one pushing this or sorry, competing against women in sports,
you know what I mean. And I just think it's
(54:28):
so important that we're able to say what is true.
If we lose what is true, what's the point of
free speech? If we lose what is true, what's the
point of the First Amendment?
Speaker 1 (54:37):
And you know that's you know, that's where it is.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Look, man, it's so much of a seesaw here. I'm now,
I'm not going to people telling me some inside it's
so hard. This is all an info, op, right, And
I'm just going on what people are telling me that
they've heard from other people. But now I'm hearing a
couple of senators are getting a little uh uh oh, no,
(55:02):
I'm sorry, Well they're they're they're they're gonna be hmm.
I gotta I gotta parse this a little bit. There
are some senators who may be still concerned. It's different
reporting on this is all I'm saying. Anyway, I think
I think Pete's I think Pete's right now as of today,
I think he's got the senators he needs on his side.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Man, what a what a seesaw? This is come back.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
I'll take some of your calls, also take some your
VP emails to help close us out in just a minute.
To my fellow firearms owners, I was actually rearranging my
gun closet yesterday, which I gotta tell you, I'm not
a big closet rearranger, but this was fun.
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It's a range, and while it's got everything you need,
those visits can get expensive, particularly because of all that
AMMO man I bought.
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Ammo recently bought a whole bunch of nine millimeters.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
It is, it is rough, it is expensive, but there's
something you can do to train so that you're getting
better use out of that Ammo because you're already dialed in,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (55:56):
Uh.
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Speaker 3 (56:06):
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the shooting mechanics, the basic mechanics, particularly the trigger.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Pull, that is so important. I've got some bad habits
and I'm still working on. Mantis X helps me with them.
I tend to pull and anticipate and drop a little
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mantis X helps though, helps me deal with that. I
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(56:33):
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