December 6, 2024 • 36 mins
A Look at the UnitedHealthcare CEO murder in NYC. Why are some people celebrating the shooting of the UnitedHealthcare CEO? Insurance company delays planned change in Anesthesiologist billing. A result of the UnitedHealthcare murder? Nick Searcy talks about his new movie “The War On Truth”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
We are waiting to see if we get a verdict
in the Daniel Penny case in New York City. We've
also got some updates for you on our friend Pete
Hegsay's battle against the Democrat media and their efforts to
scuttle his nomination for the Secretary of Defense. I've known
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Pete a long time guys. Love of his country and
particularly his love or in addition, his love of the
troops is beyond question, and I think he would do
a great job for the Trump administration. And I think
some of these senators. Initially it seemed like they had
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some problem with some of the infidelity, but no, it's
actually not that. So we've moved past that. Now it's
just about drinking. And there's no evidence that he has
a drinking problem other than anonymous smear sources in the
Democrat press that wants to destroy him. So this is
where we are right. They are hoping that they can
take down Pete, and I do not think they will
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succeed in this. I think that Pete there was a
day there when they thought that they might be able
to bully Maga world into bailing on him. We'll get
into some of this Pete taking his case directly to
various senators and on behalf of the President himself. We'll
get there. I am still, though, amazed at this situation
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of the United Healthcare CEO assassination. So Brian Thompson was assassinated.
You've seen the video. It's very very clear video. I mean,
the guy's covered up so you can't see who the
shooter is in detail, but just walks up to him
right outside the Hilton in Midtown Manhattan. I know this
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block very well. He's basically you've shot the guy essentially
where I turned to go and get coffee whenever I'm
in our New York City studio. So it's just eerie
that this kind of thing could happen right at Midtown Manhattan.
The guy could get away. Here's what we know about
the suspects so far. He jumped on a Greyhound bus
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somewhere between Atlanta and New York City, arrived at the
Port Authority bus terminal, and that was ten days before.
This is all according to New York Post timeline on it.
He checked in to a hostel on the Upper West Side,
then went over to the Hilton Hotel on sixth Avenue
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and fifty fourth Street, and then he checked out of
the youth hostel and returned in an uber a day
later using a fake New Jersey ID and paid in cash.
The guy's got a fake ID, paying in cash, traveling
by bus from the Atlanta area, so you know he's
trying to stay off the radar. I'm using credit cards.
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He's not going obviously, air travel, particularly requires a lot
of ID and verification of who you are. This was
an interesting bit of information. He smiled. There's a photo
of him released by the NYPD where he's smiling, and
the story goes that he smiled at the woman at
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the hostile check in desk, right, and because she said
that he was cute, he should pull down his mask.
If this guy ends up getting got because he was
flirting with the check in girl at the hostel, that
would be a remarkable turn of events. But I go
all the way back to the Bible, gentlemen, plenty of
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guys have been done in because they thought a girl
was pretty and they made bad or you know, a
woman was pretty and they made bad decisions. This guy,
for all the care that he took to be in
the hostel and not that there might be surveillance and
to show his face. Maybe he figured they wouldn't be
able to trace him back there. But he obviously jumped
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on the city bike because that was a quick mode
of transportation to get away from the scene of the assassination.
It seems now and I saw the there's some excellent
people out there who have tremendous tactical proficiency from real
life situations, whether they're different members of special Operations community.
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One the sheriff of Bagdad as his moniker phenomenal story.
He did a long sit down on the Sean Ryan
podcast Shawn Ryan's a friend does an amazing podcast and
talked about his time in Delta Force and or the
unit as it is often called. And he's a guy
who knows about handguns and firearms as well as absolutely anybody.
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He thinks not a pro. He thinks that because of
the twenty two ammunition used at subsop subsonic ammunition, that
it wouldn't it wouldn't cycle the weapon properly. So that's
why this guy had to cycle the weapon manually a
couple of times after the first shot. But he thought
this through. I mean I remember for my time in
the CIA when we would learn about, particularly learn about
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some of the KGB assassinations. And you know, this is
just intel world history and lore. You know, in movies,
guys carry desert eagles, and that's supposed to scare, you know,
desert eagle fifty cal hand gun, that's supposed to scare everybody.
The guys you want to be scared of are those
who know that you want to have a twenty two
and you're going to do a contact shot to the
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back of the head, which you can't miss and which
has a ninety nine percent fatality shot and is going
to be very quiet. Right, That's how people who actually
do this. That's how real assassins operate. So he thinks
that this meaning the sheriff of Bagdad. He thinks that
this is not that's his nickname, by the way, that
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this is not a professional profess. This was a guy hired,
but not somebody who had extensive training. Obviously had a
silencer on the weapon. Oh that reminds me. Stop sending
me emails telling me it's not a silencer. These terms
are used interchangeably. I own a silencer. I use silencers
at the range all the time. Silencer was the original term.
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Now people say they use they prefer suppressor because it
is technically a little more accurate about the function that
it provides for the weapon. But you're gonna have to
go talk to the biggest suppressor sales outfits in the
country like Silencer Co, Silencer Shop and tell them to
change their names. Good luck with that. You're also going
to have to change Federal Criminal Code which refers to
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silencers specifically, and the ATF announcements about finding illegal silencers
when they make arrest. So please, I get it. We
get all these VIP emails, you know, everybody. It's amazing,
you know, and they never come from like like the
actual spec ops. Guys leave me alone on this stuff
because they know that I know more than ninety nine
percent of the people we're talking about this in the
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general media, and so they're like, yeah, like they know
more than me, but they're not going to be nitpicking
on this stuff. But I get some of the other
some of this, like oh, it's not a silencer, people
say silencer. It's okay, this isn't some politicized term. It
was originally silencer. You know, Moms against Guns or whatever
that group is, didn't come up with this. It's not
it's not like assault rifle or something. It was silencer.
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People say suppressor interchangeably. So please, we've got like so
many I've got so many emails and comments about this.
Please I get it. Okay, So he fired with a
silencer and you know, he shot this guy, killed him.
And what's been shocking to me is how much support
there has been online for a heinous murder from lunatics
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out there. Because this guy runs a or formerly ran
a large healthcare This is a human being. He was
murdering cold blood from behind. There's there's nothing, there's nothing
about this that is an heinous And you want to say, oh, well,
United Healthcare, I've seen all this stuff. United Healthcare denies,
you know, thirty percent of claims. Do you think that
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this guy is sitting there being the one who actually
denies all these individual claims. It's a massive entity. And
even if he was that guy, that doesn't mean it
is even vaguely in the realm of ethical or moral
to commit a heinous, premeditated murder. The stuff you're seeing online,
it's kind of mind blowing, and it's it's troubling. Some
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of it is on the right too. People are all
these healthcare companies. I mean, there's a whole lot of
discussion we can have about this, but one thing to
say is we this is like how our debt has
gotten so big. We the American people. Well, put a
pause in that for a second. This is what Trump does.
I'm weaving. I'm weaving. Okay, I'm weaving. We the American
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people have been forced into a far more opaque healthcare
pricing and much higher healthcare pricing system because of Obamacare.
All right, the whole thing with Obamacare is everyone's covered now.
But guess what, you're actually just subsidizing people who are
takers from the system more even than before. So that's
made things worse. But also our health insurance system, not
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our health care system per se. Our health insurance system
isn't really insurance, and this is important. It isn't really insurance.
It is a very complicated redistribution mechanism with all kinds
of regulations and incentives and you know, sketchy underhanded stuff
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going on about what the price is when you go
through this versus the price when you go throughout that.
There's no price transparency, and it's all because politicians tell people.
This goes to Bastia with the Law French political theorist
highly recommend you go check him out nineteenth century. I
believe Law is a great short read, great read the
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fiction that you can benefit at the expense of everybody else.
Things will be free for you, everybody else will pay.
That is essentially our whole health insurance industry in a nutshell.
It's only it's going to be twenty bucks. It's just
a copay. It's just a copey. You're going to get
world class care and it's never going to be more
than that. This is lies, it doesn't work, and it's
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getting more and more expensive. We have to have a
whole rethink. One of the things I'm excited about is
the possibility of URFK Junior doing some great stuff for MAHA,
make America healthy again. But to take a real look
at our healthcare system, look outcomes in healthcare. Rather, the
quality of the healthcare we get is very good. You
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would much rather be quite sick in America than quite
sick in Canada in terms of the level of care
you're going to get on average. That's comparing us to Canada,
never mind a lot of other countries you could go
to WHI is. It's really all just a fig leaf
over socialism. And that's what the health insurance industry has become,
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which is why it is so vast and so on
will be and it doesn't make sense and people are
and the incentive structure is for them to figure out ways,
meaning the healthcare industry, the people that run these health
insurance sorry I keep doing that health insurance industry, people
that run places like United Healthcare. They say they got
to protect the pool, which just means they can't pay
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everything because then there won't be any money for everybody else.
So they try to create these cost savings within the system.
And the system has no incentive. Now, this is the
healthcare system itself, to become more efficient, to become better
at delivering care, right, what is it? The incentive is
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just to get as many people in the pool as
possible and then to find as many ways as possible
to reduce your expenditures for that pool. The incentives are
all screwed up. Now, that's all true, But that also
doesn't mean that some guy who gets shot walking down
the street represents anything other than a heinous capital murder
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and the stuff that I'm seeing online from people. It's
just nuts. It's just nuts. Yeah, I know, United Healthcare,
there's all that everyone has. I have stories being denied
care for this, denied coverage for that. You know, I
was supposed to have a total ankle reconstruction effectively, I mean, like,
are really serious? And uh, because I'd messed my ankle
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up so much from playing sports over the years, and
I didn't do it. You know why, because they told
me that it could. This is when I had about
one thousand dollars in the bank and my insurance said
that the cost could be anywhere from two to fifty
thousand dollars. So I'm like, you're telling me, I get
to do this and it's either expensive or I just
go totally bankrupt. Can we figure out whether that's gonna be?
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This was like over a decade ago, But can we
figure out what? We all have this stuff? But it's
because fundamentally, when you try to change this and you
try to create market incentives and you try to give
cost transparency, there are huge bloated systems that don't want that.
The hospital systems all. When you see how hospitals do
their building. There's all these perverse incentives, and then when
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a politic, when it comes to politicians, they just go
single payer, or it should all be free, or it's
all they're all just promising you a free lunch, and
they all lie. And that's what really has happened here.
So there's this whole we're not even really talking about
healthcare very much these days. We should be. But when
I saw the response to this assassination of this guy
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Thompson right on the streets of New York City, and
then everyone just starts jumping in with really nasty stuff
about well, you know, I don't want to say it
on the air, but I mean you can imagine, you
could see yourself. It's all over the internet. What is
wrong with everybody? This guy was murdered, and for the
people who are saying this, for all they know, he
could be trying to change the culture of United Healthcare
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so that they actually, you know, start being better about
not denying claims. I'm not saying that happen, but they
don't know either of the people saying this, So we
don't have any sense of motive really, other than the
bullets were found with what was it deny and delay
on them are something like that. I'm trying to find
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the words. I've actually lost my place in my notes here.
But which is why everyone's thinking about this is somehow related.
But maybe that's also a cover up for something else, right,
because people are going to jump to this conclusion as
they have that this has to do with the reputation
of United and it does have the worst United Healthcare
has the worst reputation for denying legitimate claims, which is
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a horrible thing to do, and it happens a lot.
And until we fix the whole system, this doesn't get fixed.
All right. We'll take your calls on this. By the way,
if you have some ideas about this. We're not taking
calls that say silencer versus suppressor. Already this is dealt
with water in the I love you, but we've dealt
with this water under the bridge. But we'll take calls
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All right, welcome back in. I've got to rely on
the tremendous expertise of this audience for a second, because
a story that ties into the assassination of the United
Blue or people are tying into the assassination of United
Blue Cross Blue sorry of the United Health guy is
Blue Cross Blue Shield. I believe has backed off of
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a policy that was meant to limit the time that
anesthesia would be covered during surgery in a few states.
They have suddenly said no, no, we're not going to
do this, and I think people are saying it's because
they're free.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They've also taken the top ranks of the executives of
some of these big insurers offline, so it's harder to
find them. There's a real scare out there now. That
is definitely the case. I'm sure we have some anesthesiologists
or surgeons who are listening to this who could tell
me what's going on here, because I've heard different things.
I know that there have been times where out of
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network anesthesiologists have done surprise billing where somebody thinks they're
a covered procedure, and then they get some huge bill
from the out of network anesthesiologists who just shows up.
Does the prohibition that blue cross blue shield that has
now they've frozen this on the duration of surgery have
anything to do with stopping surprise billing because that's what
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they've said, or do they just get caught with their
hand in the cookie jar, so to speak, They go, oh, no, no,
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us Now, Nick, appreciate your being with us. I know
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you have guest hosted for Russian in the past. This
audience very familiar with you. I saw you in the
Shape of Water, I saw you in Justified. Fan of
all of your work, but we're not talking really Hollywood
stuff today, although maybe another day. You've also done a
couple of documentaries on the issue of January sixth, and
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this is now coming to a head with the Trump
administration coming in first, Just what do people need to
know about January sixth, from your research, your work, your
documentaries on it. That is the necessary context and understanding
for where we are in this moment.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Well, the first thanks for having me on. But the
first documentary was called Capital Punishment and the tagline for
it was everything the government told you about Jay six
was alive. And that's really the biggest statement. I mean,
that's that's what's happening. They have lied about that day.
They've mischaracterized the people were there in Washington.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
D C.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And they have punished them excessively and unconstitutionally, and they
continue to do that to this day.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Now when you look at some of these cases, I mean,
just give us a sense of were there really people
who had the FBI show up to do raids on
their homes who were entirely nonviolent and then were sentenced
to periods in prison? I mean, did that happen? And
how many people did that happen to?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Well, they've gone after fifteen hundred people so far. And
you have to realize too that when the government claims
that somebody assaulted a police officer, when you hear these
individual stories, you have people like Colton Maccabee who was
giving roseenne boil and mouth to mount resuscitation. The crowd
pushed him, pushed him on top of a police officer,
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who he then helped up, and the police officer can
be held heard on video saying thank you.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
And they charged him with assaulting a police officer because
Colton had motorcycle gloves on that had metal on them,
and they called that assault with a deadly weapon and
things like that over and over again. Victoria White, who
was hit on the head forty two times with a
police bacon by a Capitol policeman, she puts her hand
up to try to keep the blows from hitting her
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in the head, and because she made contact with the
police bacon, they called that assault. They charged her with assault.
She assaulted the police bacon with her head. So that's
kind of buck.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
That's what drives me crazy when I hear people that
I normally agree with, like Representative Andy Biggs talking about
pardoning all the non violent protesters, and I hear Ted
Cruz say Eastful protesters, these people all need to be
pardoned because the government has lied continuously about everything that
they did on that day, mischaracterize it, and they have
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their constitutional rights, have been violated and they should.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
All be part of our incoming FBI director Nick is
likely to be Cash Battel, who's a friend of mine
of many years now and a good man and a
good patriot and knows the deep state. Uh do you
do you think that he is likely to put it
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a different way? Should he release all files pertaining to
FBI informants and or undercovers in the crowd that day?
And if he does, what is your expectation that we
will find?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, I certainly think he will. I hope he does.
And I think the reason all this footage has been
suppressed for so long is that what we'll find is
that the police on that day were the aggressors. They
were firing munitions into the middle of an otherwise peaceful crowd.
They were they were the attackers. And so many of
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these if you released the whole videotape of what all
these people were doing, that they everything they were doing
was defending themselves from these attacks. And you know, the
the the informants that were there, the instigators that were there.
There were Antifa there that were dresses Trump supporters. You
can see this in our movie The War on Truth.
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So much of this will be revealed as exactly what
I said at the beginning. Everything they have said about
this day.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Is a lie.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Was a lie designed to demonize Donald Trump and everybody
who supported him, to mischaracterize everybody that was there as
some sort of white supremacist racist terrorists, and all of
that stuff is going to come out if if cash
Bettel gets in there.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's what I believe, Nick. I also want to know
what can you tell us about the the pipe bombs?
You know, well, one would think that someone leaving pipe
bombs near capital or on Capitol Hill, you know, Jura,
the transition period would be a all hands on deck.
Got to find out how those got there. I don't
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even hear anything about it. We definitely don't know who
who allegedly put them there. Can you tell us a
lot because that just that smells funky? You know there's
something funky about that smell?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Absolutely And you know they can find grandmothers who walked
into the capital with permission from the police, who took selfie.
They can find those people. They can track those people down.
But you can't find a loan person that you have
on videotape laying a pipe bomb in front of the DNC.
And the other thing about the so called type bomb.
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The people who were there that day, the policeman who
found it, they certainly were not acting like that was
an active pipe bomb. They weren't behaving as if there
was a danger there. So that whole situation is very fishy,
and I think we will find out that it was
not who we think it is. It wasn't just some
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lone crazy bomber that wanted to destroy the government. I
think that was the government plant. I think that was
done by the same people who lied about January sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Nick, Where can people watch your films on January sixth?
Because I think in advance of what are hopefully going
to be partings, everybody who wants to really be up
to date and see for themselves what happened should have
the ability to do so. I know you've done a
lot of work on this. Where can they watch your movies?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Capital Punishment, the first movie is available on Rumble for free,
and The War on Truth you can find it two
different places. Salemnow dot com has it and it has
its own website at War ontruthmovie dot com. Salemnow dot
com actually has both films, so that might be the
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most convenient place to go.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Is it your expectation, Nick? Just one more If you're
speaking of Nick, Nick Searcy, you all know him from
when he filled in for Rush in the past, and
also from his work in Hollywood, and Nick, I'm just wondering,
as this moves along, you know, we're going to have
good people at the top of these organizations, whether it's well,
I assume it's going to be Cash Betel, but there's
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a number of other people as well who are going
to be involved. We've got a new Attorney General coming in,
Pam BONDI. I think there's a real opportunity to get
to truth about that day, about the lead up to
that day. Is it your expectation that when these files
are released and when people finally get to figure out
what really happened, that there'll be criminal misconduct on earth
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on the side of the FBI that goes to a
very high level.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I absolutely believe that. I believe that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger,
the people of the January sixth Committee, they suppressed so
much evidence. They didn't even investigate the murder of Ashley
Babbitt or the murder of Rosen and boilin. I believe
that the see judges, people like Royce Lambert, the US
Attorney Matthew Grave, all of these people should be investigated
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and charged with the unlawful, you know, overcharging these people
and suppression of evidence. So many defendants that I have
talked to talk about how in their trials the prosecutor
the government literally lied about what they did that day.
So I absolutely believe that they can and should be prosecuted.
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I think that's why they're already talking about. You hear
all these rumors about Joe Biden's going to preemptively pardon
Liz Chany.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And well, that's what I was going to ask you, Right,
we've something is definitely up. When you've got the first
conversation about an outgoing administration doing preemptive pardons, I've never
even heard of such it. Then no one's heard of
such a thing before now.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And it's like, what do you partnering? List Cheney four?
I mean, what is the crime year if you're pardoning?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And to be clear, this isn't right. This isn't in
advance of after there's been an allegation of crimes, and
in advance of sentencing or even a criminal procedure. No
one even knows what the crimes are supposed to be,
or at least it hasn't been made public what the
crimes are supposed to be. So this is just straight
up get out of jail free card talk from the
Biden White House, which, as we've all seen the whole Oh,
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we care about our institutions of justice. It was all scam,
but we knew it was a scam. Nick, appreciate your
work on this one. Tell everybody again where that one
of them is on Rumble and the other is Salemnow
dot Com.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Salemnow dot Com has both movies.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
The Capital Punishment is on Rumble.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
For free Salem dot salemnow dot Com has The War
on Truth and there's a small charge for that one.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right, Nick, here say everybody, Nick, thanks so much
for being with us.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Thank you, Bud, thanks for having me to.
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All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We
got a lot of calls coming in and now people
want to talk about January sixth, which is fine, so
you can lead lines on that. But I did want
to get to my question about anesthesia because this is
tying in now to the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO.
The Blue Cross Blue Shield has stepped away from a
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three state policy that had been rolled out that said
they would limit the duration of coverage for anesthesia during surgeries.
They initially were saying, look, this is so that you
don't get a fifty thousand dollars bill even though you
thought you were a network from an antihysiologist people or
other on the other side of saying no, this is
the insurance companies being heartless and playing games. You know,
(31:10):
I'm trying to figure out what's going on here? Jose?
And Virginia is an anesthesiologist for thirty five years. Jose,
what's going on with this?
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Hey, but this is the most insane thing I've ever heard.
I've been practicing for over thirty five years. So just
imagine this. I take you into surgery and perform an
a SNEeSe on you with my surgery cou coyle leagues
from surgery. We're there for the finance attack of case.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You know, half hour.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
To eight hours. I've been involved in both, even twelve hours,
even the twenty four hour server. I've done that myself.
Bottom line is, once you're there, it's not a clock,
guns out, Sorry, that's it. A got a step out,
grab a couple of coffee, have dinner, and you're in photopilot. Now,
cases like that have happened in the past, those antestesiologists
(32:01):
who were uh we disappeared and left the room literally
literally went outside of him lunch or something else that
came back uh, and it had adverse events.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Patients died on.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
The table those physicians and were sued for malpractices. You
could understand that it wouldn't should uh, but this idea
that you cross blut shields that they're the ones proposing that,
or at least they put it out there as a
as a drought balloon is insane.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
It can't happen, It's impossible, so it's not. So just
to be clear, this is not they're saying. This is
to protect patients from surprise billing. You're you're calling you're
calling bunk on that one. You're saying, no way, Oh.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
That's total total bunk. Now, with respect to the insurance,
I can tell you a lot about that because it's
been involved with it for thirty five years.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
UH. I remember in the old.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Days when I started practicing, used to be a feat
for service practice medicine.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
UH.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
And then with the advent of.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
UH, Bill Clinton's voted in and Hillary pick Care starting
to get some traction, we got the involving HMO model,
if you will, and from there we transition thirty plus years.
I've seen this evolution where doctors are getting paid less
and less and less and what have you, because basically,
insurance companies all capture patients and pull them into their
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herd if you will, UH, and then they negotiate because
they've got the month by virtue of capturing all the
patients subscribed as if you will, uh, and then negotiate
with physician groups. So what happens is h so you
got blue floors from Shields, you got Anthem, the health
keepers you name, the Diamond dozen bottom lining. Each one
(33:45):
has their their their their their their menu if you will,
of what plans you opt into. So you opt in
for an HMO model or PPO model or some of them.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Right yeah, at that part, sure, and and all.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Of them, all of them, uh have if you will,
a roster like a like a baseball team, a football
team of their all star.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Right up the providers that are converce journal. This part
of it we all get. But so you're telling me,
just just to be clear that you think you think
Blue Cross, Blue Shield, they got caught with their hand
in the cookie jar. They were they were playing at
foul on this one.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
There's no doubt about it on that.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
But with perspect to the in network and out of network,
every insurance company had in and out. So if they're
not part of the in network, the ones are on
a roster. Those doctors are not obligated to charge you
what a going rate is because they're out a network
if they happen to use them. However, here's the real
(34:45):
big proviser here. By federal law, all hospitals who are
accept Medicare and Medicaid payments have to uh provide services
to individual whether they do or don't have insurance. But
if they do have insurance and they're out of network,
(35:05):
let me backtrack. It's there, these individuals don't have insurance.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You're losing us here. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Yeah, they still have to cover the cases, and you
can't walk out. I've done plenty of cases pro bono.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It's okay, I got you. Thank you so much. Thanks
for calling in, Jose. Let's do h Bernard in Mandeville, Louisiana.
What's going on? Bernard?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Hi? I was calling about this US Supreme Court case
called Verdict b E or the I c K versus
the United States where the person who are accept you
have to accept the pardon you think you offer the
person to pardon, the person has to accept the pardon.
And in that particular case, they were trying to get
the pierson to testify because and he wouldn't, and the
(35:49):
President gave him an offered him a pardon. He refused
to pardon. And therefore they they could not force him
to give up his fifth Amendment. Right, So these people
like like uh, Pauci and other ones that we're going
to decline declined it the particular pardon because the court
also said that if you accept the pardons ten amounts
(36:10):
and mission up the klan. So that's why they will, they'll.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Never get I here. So you're telling me that's interesting,
Thank you, Bernardo. You're saying that these guys the preemptive
pardon thing. Why would Fauci accept the preemptive parton unless
he thought he was at criminal risk and the risk
of reputation damage from accepting that is more substantial than
the risk of actually being prosecuted. Right, So great, interesting point. Yeah,
(36:37):
that would that be crazy if if if Biden comes
out he's like, I'm gonna pardon these people, They're like,
I don't want your pardon, crazy old man Biden. I'm
gonna just ride this thing out, see where it goes.
Little Fauci's like, get your pardon away. Your pardon has
no mask, It hasn't gotten its ninth boost
All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
We are waiting to see if we get a verdict
in the Daniel Penny case in New York City. We've
also got some updates for you on our friend Pete
Hegsay's battle against the Democrat media and their efforts to
scuttle his nomination for the Secretary of Defense. I've known
(00:27):
Pete a long time guys. Love of his country and
particularly his love or in addition, his love of the
troops is beyond question, and I think he would do
a great job for the Trump administration. And I think
some of these senators. Initially it seemed like they had
(00:48):
some problem with some of the infidelity, but no, it's
actually not that. So we've moved past that. Now it's
just about drinking. And there's no evidence that he has
a drinking problem other than anonymous smear sources in the
Democrat press that wants to destroy him. So this is
where we are right. They are hoping that they can
take down Pete, and I do not think they will
(01:11):
succeed in this. I think that Pete there was a
day there when they thought that they might be able
to bully Maga world into bailing on him. We'll get
into some of this Pete taking his case directly to
various senators and on behalf of the President himself. We'll
get there. I am still, though, amazed at this situation
(01:34):
of the United Healthcare CEO assassination. So Brian Thompson was assassinated.
You've seen the video. It's very very clear video. I mean,
the guy's covered up so you can't see who the
shooter is in detail, but just walks up to him
right outside the Hilton in Midtown Manhattan. I know this
(01:55):
block very well. He's basically you've shot the guy essentially
where I turned to go and get coffee whenever I'm
in our New York City studio. So it's just eerie
that this kind of thing could happen right at Midtown Manhattan.
The guy could get away. Here's what we know about
the suspects so far. He jumped on a Greyhound bus
(02:18):
somewhere between Atlanta and New York City, arrived at the
Port Authority bus terminal, and that was ten days before.
This is all according to New York Post timeline on it.
He checked in to a hostel on the Upper West Side,
then went over to the Hilton Hotel on sixth Avenue
(02:39):
and fifty fourth Street, and then he checked out of
the youth hostel and returned in an uber a day
later using a fake New Jersey ID and paid in cash.
The guy's got a fake ID, paying in cash, traveling
by bus from the Atlanta area, so you know he's
trying to stay off the radar. I'm using credit cards.
(03:00):
He's not going obviously, air travel, particularly requires a lot
of ID and verification of who you are. This was
an interesting bit of information. He smiled. There's a photo
of him released by the NYPD where he's smiling, and
the story goes that he smiled at the woman at
(03:24):
the hostile check in desk, right, and because she said
that he was cute, he should pull down his mask.
If this guy ends up getting got because he was
flirting with the check in girl at the hostel, that
would be a remarkable turn of events. But I go
all the way back to the Bible, gentlemen, plenty of
(03:45):
guys have been done in because they thought a girl
was pretty and they made bad or you know, a
woman was pretty and they made bad decisions. This guy,
for all the care that he took to be in
the hostel and not that there might be surveillance and
to show his face. Maybe he figured they wouldn't be
able to trace him back there. But he obviously jumped
(04:06):
on the city bike because that was a quick mode
of transportation to get away from the scene of the assassination.
It seems now and I saw the there's some excellent
people out there who have tremendous tactical proficiency from real
life situations, whether they're different members of special Operations community.
(04:31):
One the sheriff of Bagdad as his moniker phenomenal story.
He did a long sit down on the Sean Ryan
podcast Shawn Ryan's a friend does an amazing podcast and
talked about his time in Delta Force and or the
unit as it is often called. And he's a guy
who knows about handguns and firearms as well as absolutely anybody.
(04:54):
He thinks not a pro. He thinks that because of
the twenty two ammunition used at subsop subsonic ammunition, that
it wouldn't it wouldn't cycle the weapon properly. So that's
why this guy had to cycle the weapon manually a
couple of times after the first shot. But he thought
this through. I mean I remember for my time in
the CIA when we would learn about, particularly learn about
(05:17):
some of the KGB assassinations. And you know, this is
just intel world history and lore. You know, in movies,
guys carry desert eagles, and that's supposed to scare, you know,
desert eagle fifty cal hand gun, that's supposed to scare everybody.
The guys you want to be scared of are those
who know that you want to have a twenty two
and you're going to do a contact shot to the
(05:37):
back of the head, which you can't miss and which
has a ninety nine percent fatality shot and is going
to be very quiet. Right, That's how people who actually
do this. That's how real assassins operate. So he thinks
that this meaning the sheriff of Bagdad. He thinks that
this is not that's his nickname, by the way, that
(05:57):
this is not a professional profess. This was a guy hired,
but not somebody who had extensive training. Obviously had a
silencer on the weapon. Oh that reminds me. Stop sending
me emails telling me it's not a silencer. These terms
are used interchangeably. I own a silencer. I use silencers
at the range all the time. Silencer was the original term.
(06:18):
Now people say they use they prefer suppressor because it
is technically a little more accurate about the function that
it provides for the weapon. But you're gonna have to
go talk to the biggest suppressor sales outfits in the
country like Silencer Co, Silencer Shop and tell them to
change their names. Good luck with that. You're also going
to have to change Federal Criminal Code which refers to
(06:39):
silencers specifically, and the ATF announcements about finding illegal silencers
when they make arrest. So please, I get it. We
get all these VIP emails, you know, everybody. It's amazing,
you know, and they never come from like like the
actual spec ops. Guys leave me alone on this stuff
because they know that I know more than ninety nine
percent of the people we're talking about this in the
(07:01):
general media, and so they're like, yeah, like they know
more than me, but they're not going to be nitpicking
on this stuff. But I get some of the other
some of this, like oh, it's not a silencer, people
say silencer. It's okay, this isn't some politicized term. It
was originally silencer. You know, Moms against Guns or whatever
that group is, didn't come up with this. It's not
it's not like assault rifle or something. It was silencer.
(07:22):
People say suppressor interchangeably. So please, we've got like so
many I've got so many emails and comments about this.
Please I get it. Okay, So he fired with a
silencer and you know, he shot this guy, killed him.
And what's been shocking to me is how much support
there has been online for a heinous murder from lunatics
(07:46):
out there. Because this guy runs a or formerly ran
a large healthcare This is a human being. He was
murdering cold blood from behind. There's there's nothing, there's nothing
about this that is an heinous And you want to say, oh, well,
United Healthcare, I've seen all this stuff. United Healthcare denies,
you know, thirty percent of claims. Do you think that
(08:08):
this guy is sitting there being the one who actually
denies all these individual claims. It's a massive entity. And
even if he was that guy, that doesn't mean it
is even vaguely in the realm of ethical or moral
to commit a heinous, premeditated murder. The stuff you're seeing online,
it's kind of mind blowing, and it's it's troubling. Some
(08:32):
of it is on the right too. People are all
these healthcare companies. I mean, there's a whole lot of
discussion we can have about this, but one thing to
say is we this is like how our debt has
gotten so big. We the American people. Well, put a
pause in that for a second. This is what Trump does.
I'm weaving. I'm weaving. Okay, I'm weaving. We the American
(08:53):
people have been forced into a far more opaque healthcare
pricing and much higher healthcare pricing system because of Obamacare.
All right, the whole thing with Obamacare is everyone's covered now.
But guess what, you're actually just subsidizing people who are
takers from the system more even than before. So that's
made things worse. But also our health insurance system, not
(09:18):
our health care system per se. Our health insurance system
isn't really insurance, and this is important. It isn't really insurance.
It is a very complicated redistribution mechanism with all kinds
of regulations and incentives and you know, sketchy underhanded stuff
(09:40):
going on about what the price is when you go
through this versus the price when you go throughout that.
There's no price transparency, and it's all because politicians tell people.
This goes to Bastia with the Law French political theorist
highly recommend you go check him out nineteenth century. I
believe Law is a great short read, great read the
(10:03):
fiction that you can benefit at the expense of everybody else.
Things will be free for you, everybody else will pay.
That is essentially our whole health insurance industry in a nutshell.
It's only it's going to be twenty bucks. It's just
a copay. It's just a copey. You're going to get
world class care and it's never going to be more
than that. This is lies, it doesn't work, and it's
(10:25):
getting more and more expensive. We have to have a
whole rethink. One of the things I'm excited about is
the possibility of URFK Junior doing some great stuff for MAHA,
make America healthy again. But to take a real look
at our healthcare system, look outcomes in healthcare. Rather, the
quality of the healthcare we get is very good. You
(10:46):
would much rather be quite sick in America than quite
sick in Canada in terms of the level of care
you're going to get on average. That's comparing us to Canada,
never mind a lot of other countries you could go
to WHI is. It's really all just a fig leaf
over socialism. And that's what the health insurance industry has become,
(11:07):
which is why it is so vast and so on
will be and it doesn't make sense and people are
and the incentive structure is for them to figure out ways,
meaning the healthcare industry, the people that run these health
insurance sorry I keep doing that health insurance industry, people
that run places like United Healthcare. They say they got
to protect the pool, which just means they can't pay
(11:28):
everything because then there won't be any money for everybody else.
So they try to create these cost savings within the system.
And the system has no incentive. Now, this is the
healthcare system itself, to become more efficient, to become better
at delivering care, right, what is it? The incentive is
(11:51):
just to get as many people in the pool as
possible and then to find as many ways as possible
to reduce your expenditures for that pool. The incentives are
all screwed up. Now, that's all true, But that also
doesn't mean that some guy who gets shot walking down
the street represents anything other than a heinous capital murder
(12:13):
and the stuff that I'm seeing online from people. It's
just nuts. It's just nuts. Yeah, I know, United Healthcare,
there's all that everyone has. I have stories being denied
care for this, denied coverage for that. You know, I
was supposed to have a total ankle reconstruction effectively, I mean, like,
are really serious? And uh, because I'd messed my ankle
(12:33):
up so much from playing sports over the years, and
I didn't do it. You know why, because they told
me that it could. This is when I had about
one thousand dollars in the bank and my insurance said
that the cost could be anywhere from two to fifty
thousand dollars. So I'm like, you're telling me, I get
to do this and it's either expensive or I just
go totally bankrupt. Can we figure out whether that's gonna be?
(12:54):
This was like over a decade ago, But can we
figure out what? We all have this stuff? But it's
because fundamentally, when you try to change this and you
try to create market incentives and you try to give
cost transparency, there are huge bloated systems that don't want that.
The hospital systems all. When you see how hospitals do
their building. There's all these perverse incentives, and then when
(13:17):
a politic, when it comes to politicians, they just go
single payer, or it should all be free, or it's
all they're all just promising you a free lunch, and
they all lie. And that's what really has happened here.
So there's this whole we're not even really talking about
healthcare very much these days. We should be. But when
I saw the response to this assassination of this guy
(13:39):
Thompson right on the streets of New York City, and
then everyone just starts jumping in with really nasty stuff
about well, you know, I don't want to say it
on the air, but I mean you can imagine, you
could see yourself. It's all over the internet. What is
wrong with everybody? This guy was murdered, and for the
people who are saying this, for all they know, he
could be trying to change the culture of United Healthcare
(13:59):
so that they actually, you know, start being better about
not denying claims. I'm not saying that happen, but they
don't know either of the people saying this, So we
don't have any sense of motive really, other than the
bullets were found with what was it deny and delay
on them are something like that. I'm trying to find
(14:20):
the words. I've actually lost my place in my notes here.
But which is why everyone's thinking about this is somehow related.
But maybe that's also a cover up for something else, right,
because people are going to jump to this conclusion as
they have that this has to do with the reputation
of United and it does have the worst United Healthcare
has the worst reputation for denying legitimate claims, which is
(14:42):
a horrible thing to do, and it happens a lot.
And until we fix the whole system, this doesn't get fixed.
All right. We'll take your calls on this. By the way,
if you have some ideas about this. We're not taking
calls that say silencer versus suppressor. Already this is dealt
with water in the I love you, but we've dealt
with this water under the bridge. But we'll take calls
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All right, welcome back in. I've got to rely on
the tremendous expertise of this audience for a second, because
a story that ties into the assassination of the United
Blue or people are tying into the assassination of United
Blue Cross Blue sorry of the United Health guy is
Blue Cross Blue Shield. I believe has backed off of
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a policy that was meant to limit the time that
anesthesia would be covered during surgery in a few states.
They have suddenly said no, no, we're not going to
do this, and I think people are saying it's because
they're free.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
They've also taken the top ranks of the executives of
some of these big insurers offline, so it's harder to
find them. There's a real scare out there now. That
is definitely the case. I'm sure we have some anesthesiologists
or surgeons who are listening to this who could tell
me what's going on here, because I've heard different things.
I know that there have been times where out of
(17:21):
network anesthesiologists have done surprise billing where somebody thinks they're
a covered procedure, and then they get some huge bill
from the out of network anesthesiologists who just shows up.
Does the prohibition that blue cross blue shield that has
now they've frozen this on the duration of surgery have
anything to do with stopping surprise billing because that's what
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they've said, or do they just get caught with their
hand in the cookie jar, so to speak, They go, oh, no, no,
we're not going to actually tell surgeons how long anesthesiologists
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us Now, Nick, appreciate your being with us. I know
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you have guest hosted for Russian in the past. This
audience very familiar with you. I saw you in the
Shape of Water, I saw you in Justified. Fan of
all of your work, but we're not talking really Hollywood
stuff today, although maybe another day. You've also done a
couple of documentaries on the issue of January sixth, and
(19:27):
this is now coming to a head with the Trump
administration coming in first, Just what do people need to
know about January sixth, from your research, your work, your
documentaries on it. That is the necessary context and understanding
for where we are in this moment.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Well, the first thanks for having me on. But the
first documentary was called Capital Punishment and the tagline for
it was everything the government told you about Jay six
was alive. And that's really the biggest statement. I mean,
that's that's what's happening. They have lied about that day.
They've mischaracterized the people were there in Washington.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
D C.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And they have punished them excessively and unconstitutionally, and they
continue to do that to this day.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Now when you look at some of these cases, I mean,
just give us a sense of were there really people
who had the FBI show up to do raids on
their homes who were entirely nonviolent and then were sentenced
to periods in prison? I mean, did that happen? And
how many people did that happen to?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Well, they've gone after fifteen hundred people so far. And
you have to realize too that when the government claims
that somebody assaulted a police officer, when you hear these
individual stories, you have people like Colton Maccabee who was
giving roseenne boil and mouth to mount resuscitation. The crowd
pushed him, pushed him on top of a police officer,
(20:53):
who he then helped up, and the police officer can
be held heard on video saying thank you.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
And they charged him with assaulting a police officer because
Colton had motorcycle gloves on that had metal on them,
and they called that assault with a deadly weapon and
things like that over and over again. Victoria White, who
was hit on the head forty two times with a
police bacon by a Capitol policeman, she puts her hand
up to try to keep the blows from hitting her
(21:22):
in the head, and because she made contact with the
police bacon, they called that assault. They charged her with assault.
She assaulted the police bacon with her head. So that's
kind of buck.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
That's what drives me crazy when I hear people that
I normally agree with, like Representative Andy Biggs talking about
pardoning all the non violent protesters, and I hear Ted
Cruz say Eastful protesters, these people all need to be
pardoned because the government has lied continuously about everything that
they did on that day, mischaracterize it, and they have
(21:57):
their constitutional rights, have been violated and they should.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
All be part of our incoming FBI director Nick is
likely to be Cash Battel, who's a friend of mine
of many years now and a good man and a
good patriot and knows the deep state. Uh do you
do you think that he is likely to put it
(22:22):
a different way? Should he release all files pertaining to
FBI informants and or undercovers in the crowd that day?
And if he does, what is your expectation that we
will find?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, I certainly think he will. I hope he does.
And I think the reason all this footage has been
suppressed for so long is that what we'll find is
that the police on that day were the aggressors. They
were firing munitions into the middle of an otherwise peaceful crowd.
They were they were the attackers. And so many of
(22:58):
these if you released the whole videotape of what all
these people were doing, that they everything they were doing
was defending themselves from these attacks. And you know, the
the the informants that were there, the instigators that were there.
There were Antifa there that were dresses Trump supporters. You
can see this in our movie The War on Truth.
(23:22):
So much of this will be revealed as exactly what
I said at the beginning. Everything they have said about
this day.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Is a lie.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Was a lie designed to demonize Donald Trump and everybody
who supported him, to mischaracterize everybody that was there as
some sort of white supremacist racist terrorists, and all of
that stuff is going to come out if if cash
Bettel gets in there.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's what I believe, Nick. I also want to know
what can you tell us about the the pipe bombs?
You know, well, one would think that someone leaving pipe
bombs near capital or on Capitol Hill, you know, Jura,
the transition period would be a all hands on deck.
Got to find out how those got there. I don't
(24:07):
even hear anything about it. We definitely don't know who
who allegedly put them there. Can you tell us a
lot because that just that smells funky? You know there's
something funky about that smell?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Absolutely And you know they can find grandmothers who walked
into the capital with permission from the police, who took selfie.
They can find those people. They can track those people down.
But you can't find a loan person that you have
on videotape laying a pipe bomb in front of the DNC.
And the other thing about the so called type bomb.
(24:42):
The people who were there that day, the policeman who
found it, they certainly were not acting like that was
an active pipe bomb. They weren't behaving as if there
was a danger there. So that whole situation is very fishy,
and I think we will find out that it was
not who we think it is. It wasn't just some
(25:03):
lone crazy bomber that wanted to destroy the government. I
think that was the government plant. I think that was
done by the same people who lied about January sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Nick, Where can people watch your films on January sixth?
Because I think in advance of what are hopefully going
to be partings, everybody who wants to really be up
to date and see for themselves what happened should have
the ability to do so. I know you've done a
lot of work on this. Where can they watch your movies?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Capital Punishment, the first movie is available on Rumble for free,
and The War on Truth you can find it two
different places. Salemnow dot com has it and it has
its own website at War ontruthmovie dot com. Salemnow dot
com actually has both films, so that might be the
(25:56):
most convenient place to go.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Is it your expectation, Nick? Just one more If you're
speaking of Nick, Nick Searcy, you all know him from
when he filled in for Rush in the past, and
also from his work in Hollywood, and Nick, I'm just wondering,
as this moves along, you know, we're going to have
good people at the top of these organizations, whether it's well,
I assume it's going to be Cash Betel, but there's
(26:19):
a number of other people as well who are going
to be involved. We've got a new Attorney General coming in,
Pam BONDI. I think there's a real opportunity to get
to truth about that day, about the lead up to
that day. Is it your expectation that when these files
are released and when people finally get to figure out
what really happened, that there'll be criminal misconduct on earth
(26:40):
on the side of the FBI that goes to a
very high level.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
I absolutely believe that. I believe that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger,
the people of the January sixth Committee, they suppressed so
much evidence. They didn't even investigate the murder of Ashley
Babbitt or the murder of Rosen and boilin. I believe
that the see judges, people like Royce Lambert, the US
Attorney Matthew Grave, all of these people should be investigated
(27:08):
and charged with the unlawful, you know, overcharging these people
and suppression of evidence. So many defendants that I have
talked to talk about how in their trials the prosecutor
the government literally lied about what they did that day.
So I absolutely believe that they can and should be prosecuted.
(27:32):
I think that's why they're already talking about. You hear
all these rumors about Joe Biden's going to preemptively pardon
Liz Chany.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And well, that's what I was going to ask you, Right,
we've something is definitely up. When you've got the first
conversation about an outgoing administration doing preemptive pardons, I've never
even heard of such it. Then no one's heard of
such a thing before now.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And it's like, what do you partnering? List Cheney four?
I mean, what is the crime year if you're pardoning?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And to be clear, this isn't right. This isn't in
advance of after there's been an allegation of crimes, and
in advance of sentencing or even a criminal procedure. No
one even knows what the crimes are supposed to be,
or at least it hasn't been made public what the
crimes are supposed to be. So this is just straight
up get out of jail free card talk from the
Biden White House, which, as we've all seen the whole Oh,
(28:20):
we care about our institutions of justice. It was all scam,
but we knew it was a scam. Nick, appreciate your
work on this one. Tell everybody again where that one
of them is on Rumble and the other is Salemnow
dot Com.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Salemnow dot Com has both movies.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
The Capital Punishment is on Rumble.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
For free Salem dot salemnow dot Com has The War
on Truth and there's a small charge for that one.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right, Nick, here say everybody, Nick, thanks so much
for being with us.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Thank you, Bud, thanks for having me to.
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Speaker 1 (30:27):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We
got a lot of calls coming in and now people
want to talk about January sixth, which is fine, so
you can lead lines on that. But I did want
to get to my question about anesthesia because this is
tying in now to the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO.
The Blue Cross Blue Shield has stepped away from a
(30:49):
three state policy that had been rolled out that said
they would limit the duration of coverage for anesthesia during surgeries.
They initially were saying, look, this is so that you
don't get a fifty thousand dollars bill even though you
thought you were a network from an antihysiologist people or
other on the other side of saying no, this is
the insurance companies being heartless and playing games. You know,
(31:10):
I'm trying to figure out what's going on here? Jose?
And Virginia is an anesthesiologist for thirty five years. Jose,
what's going on with this?
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Hey, but this is the most insane thing I've ever heard.
I've been practicing for over thirty five years. So just
imagine this. I take you into surgery and perform an
a SNEeSe on you with my surgery cou coyle leagues
from surgery. We're there for the finance attack of case.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You know, half hour.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
To eight hours. I've been involved in both, even twelve hours,
even the twenty four hour server. I've done that myself.
Bottom line is, once you're there, it's not a clock,
guns out, Sorry, that's it. A got a step out,
grab a couple of coffee, have dinner, and you're in photopilot. Now,
cases like that have happened in the past, those antestesiologists
(32:01):
who were uh we disappeared and left the room literally
literally went outside of him lunch or something else that
came back uh, and it had adverse events.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Patients died on.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
The table those physicians and were sued for malpractices. You
could understand that it wouldn't should uh, but this idea
that you cross blut shields that they're the ones proposing that,
or at least they put it out there as a
as a drought balloon is insane.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
It can't happen, It's impossible, so it's not. So just
to be clear, this is not they're saying. This is
to protect patients from surprise billing. You're you're calling you're
calling bunk on that one. You're saying, no way, Oh.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
That's total total bunk. Now, with respect to the insurance,
I can tell you a lot about that because it's
been involved with it for thirty five years.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
UH. I remember in the old.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Days when I started practicing, used to be a feat
for service practice medicine.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
UH.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
And then with the advent of.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
UH, Bill Clinton's voted in and Hillary pick Care starting
to get some traction, we got the involving HMO model,
if you will, and from there we transition thirty plus years.
I've seen this evolution where doctors are getting paid less
and less and less and what have you, because basically,
insurance companies all capture patients and pull them into their
(33:21):
herd if you will, UH, and then they negotiate because
they've got the month by virtue of capturing all the
patients subscribed as if you will, uh, and then negotiate
with physician groups. So what happens is h so you
got blue floors from Shields, you got Anthem, the health
keepers you name, the Diamond dozen bottom lining. Each one
(33:45):
has their their their their their their menu if you will,
of what plans you opt into. So you opt in
for an HMO model or PPO model or some of them.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Right yeah, at that part, sure, and and all.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Of them, all of them, uh have if you will,
a roster like a like a baseball team, a football
team of their all star.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Right up the providers that are converce journal. This part
of it we all get. But so you're telling me,
just just to be clear that you think you think
Blue Cross, Blue Shield, they got caught with their hand
in the cookie jar. They were they were playing at
foul on this one.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
There's no doubt about it on that.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
But with perspect to the in network and out of network,
every insurance company had in and out. So if they're
not part of the in network, the ones are on
a roster. Those doctors are not obligated to charge you
what a going rate is because they're out a network
if they happen to use them. However, here's the real
(34:45):
big proviser here. By federal law, all hospitals who are
accept Medicare and Medicaid payments have to uh provide services
to individual whether they do or don't have insurance. But
if they do have insurance and they're out of network,
(35:05):
let me backtrack. It's there, these individuals don't have insurance.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You're losing us here. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Yeah, they still have to cover the cases, and you
can't walk out. I've done plenty of cases pro bono.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
It's okay, I got you. Thank you so much. Thanks
for calling in, Jose. Let's do h Bernard in Mandeville, Louisiana.
What's going on? Bernard?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Hi? I was calling about this US Supreme Court case
called Verdict b E or the I c K versus
the United States where the person who are accept you
have to accept the pardon you think you offer the
person to pardon, the person has to accept the pardon.
And in that particular case, they were trying to get
the pierson to testify because and he wouldn't, and the
(35:49):
President gave him an offered him a pardon. He refused
to pardon. And therefore they they could not force him
to give up his fifth Amendment. Right, So these people
like like uh, Pauci and other ones that we're going
to decline declined it the particular pardon because the court
also said that if you accept the pardons ten amounts
(36:10):
and mission up the klan. So that's why they will, they'll.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Never get I here. So you're telling me that's interesting,
Thank you, Bernardo. You're saying that these guys the preemptive
pardon thing. Why would Fauci accept the preemptive parton unless
he thought he was at criminal risk and the risk
of reputation damage from accepting that is more substantial than
the risk of actually being prosecuted. Right, So great, interesting point. Yeah,
(36:37):
that would that be crazy if if if Biden comes
out he's like, I'm gonna pardon these people, They're like,
I don't want your pardon, crazy old man Biden. I'm
gonna just ride this thing out, see where it goes.
Little Fauci's like, get your pardon away. Your pardon has
no mask, It hasn't gotten its ninth boost
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