December 9, 2024 • 28 mins
In this episode, Tudor discusses the ongoing border crisis with Texas Land Commissioner Dawn Buckingham. They explore the impact of illegal immigration on crime rates, the role of sanctuary policies, and the heartbreaking stories of families affected by violence. The conversation also touches on the political shifts in Texas, the importance of community support initiatives like the Jocelyn Initiative, and the urgent need for effective border security measures. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. While you guys know,
we've been talking about the border for gosh, it seems
like two years now, but really four years now, because
it's been such a disaster. And I really do believe
that it was the economy and the border that had
the biggest effect in this election, and that's the reason
that Donald Trump is in office or will be in
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office in January. On January twentieth. But interestingly, behind the scenes,
Texas has been working incredibly hard to try to stop
the invasion at the border and one of the people
who has stepped up is Commissioner Don Buckingham. Commissioner, thank
you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey, it is great to be on with you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm really excited about everything you're doing. I think that
you know, a land commissioner is something I'm learning about.
I'm like, oh, what is a land commissioner and what
does a land commissioner do? But you've offered land to
the Trump administration to go in and get these bad
guys and take them out of the country and kind
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of organize things there, of which there are many, and
I think the numbers are sort of shocking. But you
recently had an op ed where you detailed all the
numbers of people who should actually be taken out of
the country for committing crimes. It's just stunning, It is amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And you know, in general, no one knows what the
General Land Office Commissioner in Texas does. So just for
a little background, we take care of veterans, We do
everything coast to do the disaster recovery, We run the Alamo,
We do a lot of different things. But of course
we stored thirteen million acres and that revenue from that
land fund's education and that's kind of how we acquire
and run property. And you're exactly right. We are talking
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about hundreds of thousands of criminals who have been released
multiple times under similar charges for hurting our sons and daughters,
and we're just not.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Going to tolerate it anymore. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I look at Alexis, who is Jocelyn Nungery's mother. She
is such a strong lady, and she's like Jocelyn's voice
was taken from her, Joscelyn was tak and for me,
but my voice will speak for Jocelyn, for justice for Jocelyn.
And I don't want another child to have to die
in that manner. I don't want another parent to have
to suffer that pain. So anything that we can do
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to help the Trump administration get these violent criminals off.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Of our soil, we are all in to be a
good partner.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You've talked about the fact that you don't want people
to have to suffer that and as a parent, I mean,
we both know that's a terrifying thought of losing your child.
And I can't imagine what Jocelyn's mom is going through
when you've talked to her. How I mean as a parent,
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I mean, we've seen Lake and Riley's mom come out.
We've seen Jocelyn's mom come out. These parents they don't
stop though. That to me is the most impressive thing.
She's not stopping, and she wants the story told. And
it's such a sensitive thing because when we hear it
on the news, the leftist media always comes out and says,
stop talking about it because you're using it for a
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political advantage. But if you don't talk about tragedies like this,
they recur. And we've and we saw that in very
short a short amount of time with Lake and Riley,
with Joscelyn, with Ruby Garcia here in Michigan, a constant
array of crimes that are against women. So when you
talk to these parents, how do they keep going? How
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do they keep it keep staying out there in the public.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You know, Honestly, I think the pain of their loss
fuels them and they have to they have to use
it in a positive direction. I've actually had three really
close friends lose their children through various various accidents or
ventanyla or whatever it is. And I mean, there's a
pain there that never goes away. There's a holownist part
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of you. It's like it's like losing an arm, It's
like losing a leg. You know, You're just there's part
of you that is just missing. And so I think
these moms in particular are just really strong. And I
think the leftist media is trying to change this story
because they don't want to be honest about the effects
of the Biden administration when they're abdicating their duty to
protect our border and letting these criminals in. They also
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don't want to talk about the effects of the sanctuary
policies that have let these criminals out over and over
and over again. And just imagine the person you love
most in the world and imagine they have a terrible death.
Imagine being Lake and Riley's mom and listening to that
eighteen minute nine one one call where her daughter is
being raped and beaten to death. And yet you know
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that law enforcement have their hands on that person. They
were detained multiple times, and multiple times they let them
walk right out the front door of the jail. That
is inexcusable. And so there is no excuse for these
sanctuary policies that when we've got someone who's arrested that's
got a nice detainer, that person should go or that
person should be fully evaluated. You shouldn't just let them
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walk out the door under a sanctuary policy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And they try to cover up what you just said about.
These people have been arrested multiple times. They the police
officers have had their hands on them. You talked about
a friend who lost a child to fentanyl. It's the
same it's the same thing. It's the open border, and
oftentimes these people have also been arrested. Now, Donald Trump
has talked about stiff penalties for anybody who is dealing fentanyl.
(05:19):
I mean, he's talked about some of the stiffest penalties.
What are your feelings on this you talk about this land.
Has he come back to you and said anything about
what he could do, how you could work together.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well, I was actually with Ton Homan a few days
ago and he said, they're definitely coming up with what
their strategic plan is. We've also identified properties, you know,
we have thirty million acres, we have properties all over
the states. We've identified other properties they might be interested in,
you know, and we'll see what they come up with.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But we're just all in. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Texas has been standing in that gap. We've been passing
laws actually that increase all the penalties to the maximum
for selling fentanyl, for trafficking children, for all of those
kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And a lot of people are kind of looking to.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Texas now and going, ooh, there's some things that we
can do as a state to help with this problem
as well. So we're happy to be an example. We're
happy to help any state that needs to stiffen up
their penalties to get rid of these criminals. But we
want these violent criminals off of our soil who are
killing our sons and daughters.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I think people get nervous when they hear mass deportation
because they're like, oh, what does that mean are we
use sending families away? Are you tearing people apart? But
you have some interesting numbers. As of July twenty first
of this year, there were six hundred sixty two thousand,
five hundred and sixty six illegal aliens in the country
that we know of with a criminal history, and they're
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on ices the ICE docket. I mean, these are people
that we know of, and we know there's a heck
of a lot more that have committed crimes that we
don't know of. Of those, four hundred and thirty five,
seven hundred and nineteen of them were convicted criminals, two
hundred and twenty six eight hundred and forty seven have
pending criminal charges. Only fourteen nine and ninety four of
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them were in federal custody. When we talk about sending
ICE out to do their job, man, it's a four
year catchup.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It really is. There. It's going to take a long
time to round up the criminals.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And you're exactly right, we don't really know how many
there are because so many people came across that weren't counted.
So many people came across that haven't come across law
enforcement yet. But what we do know is that they
are repeat offenders. So the numbers are low. I mean,
it's just what they got caught for. And when you
look at the crime within marginalized communities, if you're a
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legal immigrant and someone rapes your daughter, you're probably not
going to report that to law enforcement, right, And so
the when you've got marginalized communities, which is also what
we're trying to fix, then even more bad things happen.
And so we just want people to come here legally.
We want, you know, to enjoy the American dream. We
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want to break the chains that these cartels enslave. These
folks that come across the way they came across, I mean,
they are owned by the cartels. They're either going to
be selling their body or selling drugs. There's not a
free person that I know of that has come across
this border. They come across basically owned by the cartels
and the most violent gangs in the country. And we
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see these venezualing gangs taking over apartment complexes, We see
all kinds of things happening that are absolutely unacceptable. It's
why we have to eliminate the sanctuary policies. It's why
we have to go aggressively after these criminals, and we
want them off our soil.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
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stay tuned. We've got more after this. We've talked about
that in great detail, and I've tried to explain to
people in Michigan. Then nobody comes across that border freely.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
There.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
This is not a free people coming in and saying
I've found a free land and I want to have
a free life. They come across owned by the cartel.
They are now forever beholden to the cartel. And as
much as we as Americans and the American government may
not know where they are, the cartel always does, and
they will find them, and they will use them, and
they will abuse them. This is a very nasty situation
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to have an open border. It's very cruel. It's not humanitarian,
it's quite the opposite. It is very abusive to children.
It's very abusive to all people that come across. And
I think like when we talk about it, we try
to explain to people, these are kids they're coming across,
but sometimes sometimes they're kids that are horribly abused, and
sometimes they're kids who are abusers themselves, and we don't
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think of that because there are not many children that
grow up and have the life that some of these
kids that come from these horribly dangerous countries come from.
So you may have a fifteen year old that comes
across the border. I have a fifteen year old, my daughter.
I can't imagine committing crimes or doing any of these things.
She's not had that life. You know, I could mistakenly
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have her date a fifteen year old boy thinking that
they've had the same life, and he's in a gang.
You know, this is the danger of this open border.
You are owned by someone else, and no matter where
you are in the country, you're owned it by someone else.
I think you obviously see it in a greater number
in Texas than we see in Michigan, but it is
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increasing in Michigan. It's hidden here. I think that's the
difference is here there's nooks and crannies, and the government
has offered hotel owners in the state of Michigan money
to house them. They've offered hotel owners, they've offered churches.
We've had people come to us and say we were
offered a massive amount of money to shut our hotel
down and take migrants in. I mean, you look at
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the situation in New York where you have the Roosevelt
Hotel that's completely filled with migrants now and the government
is paying, and all of this money is changing hands.
And now we find out this hotel is owned by
someone in another country, and we're paying that country money
to house these migrants. I mean, the whole thing is
bananas when you break it down. But you said something interesting.
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These communities become very dangerous because these people, the women especially,
feel they can't go to the government and say I've
been attacked, I've been raped, I've been I mean, and
I imagine the men the same are being extorted and
everything else because they cannot go to the government and
say I need help because they would get deported. So
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how is it safe to have a Roosevelt Hotel that
is filled with people who are committee crimes and holding
people people hostage, or raping people or beating people or
whatever they're doing, and no one can speak out against it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, I think you make an exceptional point. I've also
heard stories that if a migrant comes here and they
do try to thwart what the cartels want them to do,
they go back to their original country and kill their
whole family the cartels do. And then you talk about
the hundreds of thousands of missing children, Why is that
not being shouted from the mountaintops. It is inexcusable to
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have hundreds of thousands of children who are missing. And
I can probably tell you why they're missing. They're missing
because they're tucked in some corner, some awful place, being traffic.
That's why they're missing. It's unacceptable to lose that many children. Ironically,
I'm happen to be at a conference with elected officials
from across the country and I am telling these stories
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to these elected officials and they're looking at me in disbelief,
and I'm like, I feel like we have been shouting
this for years. This is not new news. And yet
just people in our country just don't know. They just
don't understand the depth and the breadth of the problem.
And again, we want safe communities. The basic function of
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government is to defend those that cannot defend themselves. That
is the fundamental function of government. When you are allowing
violent criminals, repeat offenders, back out on the street with
no consequence, that is absolutely unacceptable. It is the worst
thing you could possibly do. So you're right, I mean
we cannot shout from the mountaintops enough what's happening here?
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But we need these violent criminals who are hurting our
sons and daughter off of our soil.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We saw the two year old a few days ago
who came in and they asked where mommy and daddy,
and she just said, somewhere in the United States. How
does that happen? How and how often does that happen?
How can you possibly have a toddler across the border alone?
Where as a mom, I just cannot understand it. And
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I cannot understand it because if those parents were found,
they would be put in jail in the United States.
Because if I put my two year old on a
train and said, hey, go to Florida, I'll meet you
there in a few days, I would be put in prison.
I mean, these are criminal offenses. This is this is
it's so beyond what you could even imagine as a parent.
(15:21):
I just I look at it and I go, we
are so used to this now that people go, oh, yeah,
that's sad, No, what how does it happen?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, I think you bring up a really good point.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
She obviously wasn't changing her own diapers as she was
making her track. She was obviously in the hands of somebody,
probably not an upstanding person. But it's heartbreaking what's happening
to these children, And who would want children brought into
the country marginalized like that. That's not the way to enter,
That's not how to have a part of the American dream.
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The way to have a part of the American dream
is to come here legally and safely. And you know,
what has been happening is so unacceptable. You know, ironically,
this ranch that we are, the initial property that we've
offered the Trump administration is in a county called Star County,
right obviously right on the border. That county, for the
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first time in one hundred and fifty years, voted Republican.
It voted for Donald Trump. And so that speaks to
the fact that the people along the border, and I
always like to remind everybody the border towns are lovely communities.
The people who live there are amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
The valley in.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Texas actually has a hospitality exceptional even for Texas. They're
wonderful people, but they are sick and tired of their
communities being marginalized. They are sick and tired of people
getting put in front of them who came here later.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
If you're in.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Line right now trying to immigrate legally, you're waiting a
really long time because the system is so clogged with
everybody who came here illegally that it's blowing down all
the people who've already been waiting years for their Green
cards or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And so.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, all we're doing is hurting the people who
are trying to do it right.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
All we're doing is rewarding bad behavior.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
All we're doing right now with the Biden administration is
enriching the cartels and the most violent gangs, and that
is just not the path that this country needs to
be on.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's interesting because it seems like some Democrats are reluctantly
on board. I think they're actually less than reluctantly. I
think they're enthusiastically on board. They don't feel like they
can say it. We've heard some Democrats come out and say, well,
I didn't think I could say this during the campaign
or that during the campaign, and now I feel comfortable
saying this. Just this Earlier this week, we heard Mayor Adams,
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a mayor Matt Mayor Eric Adams in New York City
come out and say, I don't care if you're going
to try to cancel me. I'm going to make sure
that the people of my city are safe. Went on
to say there has beenzing an amazing amount of crime,
that people don't feel comfortable, that he has a serious problem,
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and he is going to work with ICE to make
sure it is taken care of. Do you think that
they're I mean, you talked about this county that just
went red. Do you think that there is a huge
change in this country to say, man, we've been tricked.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I hope so, because the country has been tricked. The
talking points, I just call it laughable hypocrisy. When Kamala
Harris during the campaign said she secured the border and
shut down the cartels, I almost fell out of my
ch air.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But anyway, I'm glad we haven't.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's just lies. But that's the bizarre part about what's
happening in elections, and I think that has been sort
of eye opening as well. They've used all of these
lies and these manipulations and these scare tactics, and I
mean in Michigan in the past, it was like, if
you don't come out and vote for us, you're not
going to get marijuana. That's the way we're going to
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get you out, and it's abortion. And then it was
you're a horrible person if you don't accept an open border.
And then suddenly it was like people went, we're just
being lied to because ultimately they get back in power.
We have a dangerous border, we have a terrible economy,
we have a population disaster. Everything is going to hell.
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And I think the American people had to see a
Joe Biden administration for four years to see we have
got to make a serious change. Do you think that
change is permanent?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You know, I think there's In a way, it's a
blessing that there was a gap between the two Trump
administrations because people got to see a direct contrast between
the two. The numbers are amazingly different between where we
were four years ago when Trump was leaving office and
where we are today where Biden is leaving office. And
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let's remember that Biden actually called the majority of Americans
trash not too long ago. And it's amazing to me
that and I'm glad, but it's amazing to me that
people saw through the hypocrisy because the mainstream media and
how they portray and what they don't talk about and
how they want.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
To squelch what the real story is.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Was pretty impressive, and obviously, you know, the message wasn't
getting out fully, but at least it got out enough
that the American people could stand up and go, Look,
these policies are not for me. Look these policies are
hurting my community. It's putting my children in jeopardy, the
people that I love in jeopardy, and we want safety
and economic prosperity back again.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
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even as a state senator, you were elected in a
very blue area as a Republican. I mean, obviously we've
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been watching Texas for years because we've seen this mass
migration from California to Texas, like this movement to get
out of California, and everybody's like, okay, but don't bring
those politics to Texas. And we've been hearing Texas is
going blue, Texas is going blue. Obviously, there was a
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kerfuffle or blow up Oh, Senator Cruz is not going
to win, and he won overwhelmingly. So do you think
that this has held off a lot of what they
thought was going to be a blue wave in Texas
and now it's actually shifting more to the right again.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know, it was victory chair for the Republicans of
Texas in twenty eighteen, which was Senator Cruise's race against Beto,
and we averaged five hundred miles day, kicked off multiple
rallies for him today.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I mean, it was a full court press.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And it was great to see him come back even stronger,
and when honestly against a better candidate. Colin Alred is articulate,
you know, former professional athlete, a real a real life
of service in Congress. So uh so it was good.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I think. I think you know, as.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We see consistently the cities outvote the rural areas. You know,
the there aren't there aren't very many blue states. There
are a lot of states that have some big red
dots that I mean, I'm sorry, some big blue dots
in the cities that outvote the rural areas. But but yes,
I think with the mass migration of the Californians coming
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in with Texas shifting just our various population percentages of
various ethnic groups, I think everybody assumed.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
That that it was going to flip.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, let me tell you that the Hispanic community has
conservative values. Naturally, they've just been told their Democrats their
whole life. But generally they believe in Jesus, their family oriented,
their entrepreneurial, hard working, and so when we go we do.
I kind of consider it my evangelical work. I walk
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a lot into non traditional communities and just be present,
and sometimes I'm the first Republican that they've met. Sometimes
definitely the first Republican who's asked for their vote. I
was endorsed in my race by several entities, and I
was probably in one entity, I was the first Republican
they had ever endorsed, and then the other one, I
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was the only one out of about four hundred races
that was a Republican that they endorsed. And so I
just walk into these communities just I kind of lose
the tags a little bit, but represent just our fund
you know, our beliefs and what we stand for, and
let them know we're bringing solutions for their communities.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And I think it helps. It helps for.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Them to see, you know, it helps the horns fall off.
They can't the media paints all of us as being
so terrible, and so we just kind of get those
horns off. We come and be present, we're friendly, and
we're just going to keep doing it. But I think
I think this showed that Texas is strong. Texas is
going to continue to be strong, but we're also going
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to have to keep working and being sure that as
people move in, they don't bring some of their politics.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
There's a reason they.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Left those other states, so they should probably not try
and turn us into that.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think there's a real movement among Republicans in the
last few years to say we're going into the areas
we haven't historically gone into. And I mean even when
I was running, there was this discussion of all, you
can't win there, don't waste your time, you can't win here,
don't waste your time. And I think that's not been
you know, that's changed in such a short period of
time where Donald Trump's like, I'm going into any area,
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I'm going to step in. And we were fortunate when
I was running that we had some of those groups
come to us. But now it's time to open our possibilities,
open our minds to going out and meeting the folks
who we think hate us, and they've tried to convince
us that they hate us, and yet they don't hate us.
In fact, we share more in common and with the
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majority of America that I think that the Democrats do
by far. I mean, you see a real unity coming
together around Donald Trump. See Democrats saying, ah, you know,
I'll work with him if he's willing to do this,
and he's willing to do that. That is not how
Joe Biden was acting. I mean, the funny thing is,
Joe Biden was the one that was like, I'm not
going to work with anybody that's Trump, anybody that's Mega,
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anybody that's Republican. So I think that we're seeing a
whole new United States of America and actually coming it's
reminiscent of old times. So it's bringing the country back together.
Before I let you go, just explain a little bit
about the Joscelyn Initiative. What people out here can do
to kind of support you in that.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, the joscell Initiative was just taking it that extra
step further. We had originally identified that fourteen hundred acre
property that we literally just acquired a month ago, and
we're going to have that wall finished probably next week,
which is super exciting to move it that fast. But
I reached out to Alexis Jocelin's another because I want
to be really careful and protect them, and I said,
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you know, i'd like to name this initiative after Jocelyn.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I would like to do, you.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Know, I want I want to keep her at the
forefront of people's memory so that we know her story
so it hopefully never repeats again. And it was great
having her with me at the press conference. But basically
we're just aggressively looking for properties all around the state,
anything the Trump administration might need. We're partnering with them
and saying, look, how can we be helpful. How can
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we help these violent criminals get off of our soil.
Our jails are fully overcrowded with them. To get that
burden off the local officials, and so we're just it's just.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Us saying we're in.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
We're doing whatever we can, whatever property I have, whatever
you need from the General Land Office. We are here
to help these get these violent criminals off our soil
who are raping and murdering our sons and daughters.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you're also talking about land that will
be available for border wall construction. And we know the
border wall was the big issue in twenty sixteen. Joe
Biden sadly through all of that border wall construction material away.
So here we are starting at square one again. But
it sounds like you've been working behind the scenes very
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hard on this, so we appreciate everything you've done, and
I appreciate you being here today.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, thanks so much for having me on. Its great
being on with you, and you have a great day.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Absolutely, everybody check her out. She is Commissioner Don and
Buckingham in Texas. We appreciate what you do over there,
and we thank all of you for joining us on
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blessed day.
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. While you guys know,
we've been talking about the border for gosh, it seems
like two years now, but really four years now, because
it's been such a disaster. And I really do believe
that it was the economy and the border that had
the biggest effect in this election, and that's the reason
that Donald Trump is in office or will be in
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office in January. On January twentieth. But interestingly, behind the scenes,
Texas has been working incredibly hard to try to stop
the invasion at the border and one of the people
who has stepped up is Commissioner Don Buckingham. Commissioner, thank
you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey, it is great to be on with you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm really excited about everything you're doing. I think that
you know, a land commissioner is something I'm learning about.
I'm like, oh, what is a land commissioner and what
does a land commissioner do? But you've offered land to
the Trump administration to go in and get these bad
guys and take them out of the country and kind
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of organize things there, of which there are many, and
I think the numbers are sort of shocking. But you
recently had an op ed where you detailed all the
numbers of people who should actually be taken out of
the country for committing crimes. It's just stunning, It is amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And you know, in general, no one knows what the
General Land Office Commissioner in Texas does. So just for
a little background, we take care of veterans, We do
everything coast to do the disaster recovery, We run the Alamo,
We do a lot of different things. But of course
we stored thirteen million acres and that revenue from that
land fund's education and that's kind of how we acquire
and run property. And you're exactly right. We are talking
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about hundreds of thousands of criminals who have been released
multiple times under similar charges for hurting our sons and daughters,
and we're just not.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Going to tolerate it anymore. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I look at Alexis, who is Jocelyn Nungery's mother. She
is such a strong lady, and she's like Jocelyn's voice
was taken from her, Joscelyn was tak and for me,
but my voice will speak for Jocelyn, for justice for Jocelyn.
And I don't want another child to have to die
in that manner. I don't want another parent to have
to suffer that pain. So anything that we can do
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to help the Trump administration get these violent criminals off.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Of our soil, we are all in to be a
good partner.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You've talked about the fact that you don't want people
to have to suffer that and as a parent, I mean,
we both know that's a terrifying thought of losing your child.
And I can't imagine what Jocelyn's mom is going through
when you've talked to her. How I mean as a parent,
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I mean, we've seen Lake and Riley's mom come out.
We've seen Jocelyn's mom come out. These parents they don't
stop though. That to me is the most impressive thing.
She's not stopping, and she wants the story told. And
it's such a sensitive thing because when we hear it
on the news, the leftist media always comes out and says,
stop talking about it because you're using it for a
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political advantage. But if you don't talk about tragedies like this,
they recur. And we've and we saw that in very
short a short amount of time with Lake and Riley,
with Joscelyn, with Ruby Garcia here in Michigan, a constant
array of crimes that are against women. So when you
talk to these parents, how do they keep going? How
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do they keep it keep staying out there in the public.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You know, Honestly, I think the pain of their loss
fuels them and they have to they have to use
it in a positive direction. I've actually had three really
close friends lose their children through various various accidents or
ventanyla or whatever it is. And I mean, there's a
pain there that never goes away. There's a holownist part
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of you. It's like it's like losing an arm, It's
like losing a leg. You know, You're just there's part
of you that is just missing. And so I think
these moms in particular are just really strong. And I
think the leftist media is trying to change this story
because they don't want to be honest about the effects
of the Biden administration when they're abdicating their duty to
protect our border and letting these criminals in. They also
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don't want to talk about the effects of the sanctuary
policies that have let these criminals out over and over
and over again. And just imagine the person you love
most in the world and imagine they have a terrible death.
Imagine being Lake and Riley's mom and listening to that
eighteen minute nine one one call where her daughter is
being raped and beaten to death. And yet you know
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that law enforcement have their hands on that person. They
were detained multiple times, and multiple times they let them
walk right out the front door of the jail. That
is inexcusable. And so there is no excuse for these
sanctuary policies that when we've got someone who's arrested that's
got a nice detainer, that person should go or that
person should be fully evaluated. You shouldn't just let them
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walk out the door under a sanctuary policy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And they try to cover up what you just said about.
These people have been arrested multiple times. They the police
officers have had their hands on them. You talked about
a friend who lost a child to fentanyl. It's the
same it's the same thing. It's the open border, and
oftentimes these people have also been arrested. Now, Donald Trump
has talked about stiff penalties for anybody who is dealing fentanyl.
(05:19):
I mean, he's talked about some of the stiffest penalties.
What are your feelings on this you talk about this land.
Has he come back to you and said anything about
what he could do, how you could work together.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well, I was actually with Ton Homan a few days
ago and he said, they're definitely coming up with what
their strategic plan is. We've also identified properties, you know,
we have thirty million acres, we have properties all over
the states. We've identified other properties they might be interested in,
you know, and we'll see what they come up with.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But we're just all in. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Texas has been standing in that gap. We've been passing
laws actually that increase all the penalties to the maximum
for selling fentanyl, for trafficking children, for all of those
kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And a lot of people are kind of looking to.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Texas now and going, ooh, there's some things that we
can do as a state to help with this problem
as well. So we're happy to be an example. We're
happy to help any state that needs to stiffen up
their penalties to get rid of these criminals. But we
want these violent criminals off of our soil who are
killing our sons and daughters.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I think people get nervous when they hear mass deportation
because they're like, oh, what does that mean are we
use sending families away? Are you tearing people apart? But
you have some interesting numbers. As of July twenty first
of this year, there were six hundred sixty two thousand,
five hundred and sixty six illegal aliens in the country
that we know of with a criminal history, and they're
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on ices the ICE docket. I mean, these are people
that we know of, and we know there's a heck
of a lot more that have committed crimes that we
don't know of. Of those, four hundred and thirty five,
seven hundred and nineteen of them were convicted criminals, two
hundred and twenty six eight hundred and forty seven have
pending criminal charges. Only fourteen nine and ninety four of
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them were in federal custody. When we talk about sending
ICE out to do their job, man, it's a four
year catchup.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It really is. There. It's going to take a long
time to round up the criminals.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And you're exactly right, we don't really know how many
there are because so many people came across that weren't counted.
So many people came across that haven't come across law
enforcement yet. But what we do know is that they
are repeat offenders. So the numbers are low. I mean,
it's just what they got caught for. And when you
look at the crime within marginalized communities, if you're a
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legal immigrant and someone rapes your daughter, you're probably not
going to report that to law enforcement, right, And so
the when you've got marginalized communities, which is also what
we're trying to fix, then even more bad things happen.
And so we just want people to come here legally.
We want, you know, to enjoy the American dream. We
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want to break the chains that these cartels enslave. These
folks that come across the way they came across, I mean,
they are owned by the cartels. They're either going to
be selling their body or selling drugs. There's not a
free person that I know of that has come across
this border. They come across basically owned by the cartels
and the most violent gangs in the country. And we
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see these venezualing gangs taking over apartment complexes, We see
all kinds of things happening that are absolutely unacceptable. It's
why we have to eliminate the sanctuary policies. It's why
we have to go aggressively after these criminals, and we
want them off our soil.
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stay tuned. We've got more after this. We've talked about
that in great detail, and I've tried to explain to
people in Michigan. Then nobody comes across that border freely.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
There.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
This is not a free people coming in and saying
I've found a free land and I want to have
a free life. They come across owned by the cartel.
They are now forever beholden to the cartel. And as
much as we as Americans and the American government may
not know where they are, the cartel always does, and
they will find them, and they will use them, and
they will abuse them. This is a very nasty situation
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to have an open border. It's very cruel. It's not humanitarian,
it's quite the opposite. It is very abusive to children.
It's very abusive to all people that come across. And
I think like when we talk about it, we try
to explain to people, these are kids they're coming across,
but sometimes sometimes they're kids that are horribly abused, and
sometimes they're kids who are abusers themselves, and we don't
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think of that because there are not many children that
grow up and have the life that some of these
kids that come from these horribly dangerous countries come from.
So you may have a fifteen year old that comes
across the border. I have a fifteen year old, my daughter.
I can't imagine committing crimes or doing any of these things.
She's not had that life. You know, I could mistakenly
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have her date a fifteen year old boy thinking that
they've had the same life, and he's in a gang.
You know, this is the danger of this open border.
You are owned by someone else, and no matter where
you are in the country, you're owned it by someone else.
I think you obviously see it in a greater number
in Texas than we see in Michigan, but it is
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increasing in Michigan. It's hidden here. I think that's the
difference is here there's nooks and crannies, and the government
has offered hotel owners in the state of Michigan money
to house them. They've offered hotel owners, they've offered churches.
We've had people come to us and say we were
offered a massive amount of money to shut our hotel
down and take migrants in. I mean, you look at
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the situation in New York where you have the Roosevelt
Hotel that's completely filled with migrants now and the government
is paying, and all of this money is changing hands.
And now we find out this hotel is owned by
someone in another country, and we're paying that country money
to house these migrants. I mean, the whole thing is
bananas when you break it down. But you said something interesting.
(12:30):
These communities become very dangerous because these people, the women especially,
feel they can't go to the government and say I've
been attacked, I've been raped, I've been I mean, and
I imagine the men the same are being extorted and
everything else because they cannot go to the government and
say I need help because they would get deported. So
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how is it safe to have a Roosevelt Hotel that
is filled with people who are committee crimes and holding
people people hostage, or raping people or beating people or
whatever they're doing, and no one can speak out against it.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, I think you make an exceptional point. I've also
heard stories that if a migrant comes here and they
do try to thwart what the cartels want them to do,
they go back to their original country and kill their
whole family the cartels do. And then you talk about
the hundreds of thousands of missing children, Why is that
not being shouted from the mountaintops. It is inexcusable to
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have hundreds of thousands of children who are missing. And
I can probably tell you why they're missing. They're missing
because they're tucked in some corner, some awful place, being traffic.
That's why they're missing. It's unacceptable to lose that many children. Ironically,
I'm happen to be at a conference with elected officials
from across the country and I am telling these stories
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to these elected officials and they're looking at me in disbelief,
and I'm like, I feel like we have been shouting
this for years. This is not new news. And yet
just people in our country just don't know. They just
don't understand the depth and the breadth of the problem.
And again, we want safe communities. The basic function of
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government is to defend those that cannot defend themselves. That
is the fundamental function of government. When you are allowing
violent criminals, repeat offenders, back out on the street with
no consequence, that is absolutely unacceptable. It is the worst
thing you could possibly do. So you're right, I mean
we cannot shout from the mountaintops enough what's happening here?
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But we need these violent criminals who are hurting our
sons and daughter off of our soil.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We saw the two year old a few days ago
who came in and they asked where mommy and daddy,
and she just said, somewhere in the United States. How
does that happen? How and how often does that happen?
How can you possibly have a toddler across the border alone?
Where as a mom, I just cannot understand it. And
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I cannot understand it because if those parents were found,
they would be put in jail in the United States.
Because if I put my two year old on a
train and said, hey, go to Florida, I'll meet you
there in a few days, I would be put in prison.
I mean, these are criminal offenses. This is this is
it's so beyond what you could even imagine as a parent.
(15:21):
I just I look at it and I go, we
are so used to this now that people go, oh, yeah,
that's sad, No, what how does it happen?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, I think you bring up a really good point.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
She obviously wasn't changing her own diapers as she was
making her track. She was obviously in the hands of somebody,
probably not an upstanding person. But it's heartbreaking what's happening
to these children, And who would want children brought into
the country marginalized like that. That's not the way to enter,
That's not how to have a part of the American dream.
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The way to have a part of the American dream
is to come here legally and safely. And you know,
what has been happening is so unacceptable. You know, ironically,
this ranch that we are, the initial property that we've
offered the Trump administration is in a county called Star County,
right obviously right on the border. That county, for the
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first time in one hundred and fifty years, voted Republican.
It voted for Donald Trump. And so that speaks to
the fact that the people along the border, and I
always like to remind everybody the border towns are lovely communities.
The people who live there are amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
The valley in.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Texas actually has a hospitality exceptional even for Texas. They're
wonderful people, but they are sick and tired of their
communities being marginalized. They are sick and tired of people
getting put in front of them who came here later.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
If you're in.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Line right now trying to immigrate legally, you're waiting a
really long time because the system is so clogged with
everybody who came here illegally that it's blowing down all
the people who've already been waiting years for their Green
cards or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And so.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, all we're doing is hurting the people who
are trying to do it right.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
All we're doing is rewarding bad behavior.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
All we're doing right now with the Biden administration is
enriching the cartels and the most violent gangs, and that
is just not the path that this country needs to
be on.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's interesting because it seems like some Democrats are reluctantly
on board. I think they're actually less than reluctantly. I
think they're enthusiastically on board. They don't feel like they
can say it. We've heard some Democrats come out and say, well,
I didn't think I could say this during the campaign
or that during the campaign, and now I feel comfortable
saying this. Just this Earlier this week, we heard Mayor Adams,
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a mayor Matt Mayor Eric Adams in New York City
come out and say, I don't care if you're going
to try to cancel me. I'm going to make sure
that the people of my city are safe. Went on
to say there has beenzing an amazing amount of crime,
that people don't feel comfortable, that he has a serious problem,
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and he is going to work with ICE to make
sure it is taken care of. Do you think that
they're I mean, you talked about this county that just
went red. Do you think that there is a huge
change in this country to say, man, we've been tricked.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I hope so, because the country has been tricked. The
talking points, I just call it laughable hypocrisy. When Kamala
Harris during the campaign said she secured the border and
shut down the cartels, I almost fell out of my
ch air.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
But anyway, I'm glad we haven't.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's just lies. But that's the bizarre part about what's
happening in elections, and I think that has been sort
of eye opening as well. They've used all of these
lies and these manipulations and these scare tactics, and I
mean in Michigan in the past, it was like, if
you don't come out and vote for us, you're not
going to get marijuana. That's the way we're going to
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get you out, and it's abortion. And then it was
you're a horrible person if you don't accept an open border.
And then suddenly it was like people went, we're just
being lied to because ultimately they get back in power.
We have a dangerous border, we have a terrible economy,
we have a population disaster. Everything is going to hell.
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And I think the American people had to see a
Joe Biden administration for four years to see we have
got to make a serious change. Do you think that
change is permanent?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
You know, I think there's In a way, it's a
blessing that there was a gap between the two Trump
administrations because people got to see a direct contrast between
the two. The numbers are amazingly different between where we
were four years ago when Trump was leaving office and
where we are today where Biden is leaving office. And
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let's remember that Biden actually called the majority of Americans
trash not too long ago. And it's amazing to me
that and I'm glad, but it's amazing to me that
people saw through the hypocrisy because the mainstream media and
how they portray and what they don't talk about and
how they want.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
To squelch what the real story is.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Was pretty impressive, and obviously, you know, the message wasn't
getting out fully, but at least it got out enough
that the American people could stand up and go, Look,
these policies are not for me. Look these policies are
hurting my community. It's putting my children in jeopardy, the
people that I love in jeopardy, and we want safety
and economic prosperity back again.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
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even as a state senator, you were elected in a
very blue area as a Republican. I mean, obviously we've
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been watching Texas for years because we've seen this mass
migration from California to Texas, like this movement to get
out of California, and everybody's like, okay, but don't bring
those politics to Texas. And we've been hearing Texas is
going blue, Texas is going blue. Obviously, there was a
(22:20):
kerfuffle or blow up Oh, Senator Cruz is not going
to win, and he won overwhelmingly. So do you think
that this has held off a lot of what they
thought was going to be a blue wave in Texas
and now it's actually shifting more to the right again.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know, it was victory chair for the Republicans of
Texas in twenty eighteen, which was Senator Cruise's race against Beto,
and we averaged five hundred miles day, kicked off multiple
rallies for him today.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I mean, it was a full court press.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And it was great to see him come back even stronger,
and when honestly against a better candidate. Colin Alred is articulate,
you know, former professional athlete, a real a real life
of service in Congress. So uh so it was good.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I think. I think you know, as.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We see consistently the cities outvote the rural areas. You know,
the there aren't there aren't very many blue states. There
are a lot of states that have some big red
dots that I mean, I'm sorry, some big blue dots
in the cities that outvote the rural areas. But but yes,
I think with the mass migration of the Californians coming
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in with Texas shifting just our various population percentages of
various ethnic groups, I think everybody assumed.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
That that it was going to flip.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, let me tell you that the Hispanic community has
conservative values. Naturally, they've just been told their Democrats their
whole life. But generally they believe in Jesus, their family oriented,
their entrepreneurial, hard working, and so when we go we do.
I kind of consider it my evangelical work. I walk
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a lot into non traditional communities and just be present,
and sometimes I'm the first Republican that they've met. Sometimes
definitely the first Republican who's asked for their vote. I
was endorsed in my race by several entities, and I
was probably in one entity, I was the first Republican
they had ever endorsed, and then the other one, I
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was the only one out of about four hundred races
that was a Republican that they endorsed. And so I
just walk into these communities just I kind of lose
the tags a little bit, but represent just our fund
you know, our beliefs and what we stand for, and
let them know we're bringing solutions for their communities.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And I think it helps. It helps for.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Them to see, you know, it helps the horns fall off.
They can't the media paints all of us as being
so terrible, and so we just kind of get those
horns off. We come and be present, we're friendly, and
we're just going to keep doing it. But I think
I think this showed that Texas is strong. Texas is
going to continue to be strong, but we're also going
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to have to keep working and being sure that as
people move in, they don't bring some of their politics.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
There's a reason they.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Left those other states, so they should probably not try
and turn us into that.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think there's a real movement among Republicans in the
last few years to say we're going into the areas
we haven't historically gone into. And I mean even when
I was running, there was this discussion of all, you
can't win there, don't waste your time, you can't win here,
don't waste your time. And I think that's not been
you know, that's changed in such a short period of
time where Donald Trump's like, I'm going into any area,
(25:40):
I'm going to step in. And we were fortunate when
I was running that we had some of those groups
come to us. But now it's time to open our possibilities,
open our minds to going out and meeting the folks
who we think hate us, and they've tried to convince
us that they hate us, and yet they don't hate us.
In fact, we share more in common and with the
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majority of America that I think that the Democrats do
by far. I mean, you see a real unity coming
together around Donald Trump. See Democrats saying, ah, you know,
I'll work with him if he's willing to do this,
and he's willing to do that. That is not how
Joe Biden was acting. I mean, the funny thing is,
Joe Biden was the one that was like, I'm not
going to work with anybody that's Trump, anybody that's Mega,
(26:23):
anybody that's Republican. So I think that we're seeing a
whole new United States of America and actually coming it's
reminiscent of old times. So it's bringing the country back together.
Before I let you go, just explain a little bit
about the Joscelyn Initiative. What people out here can do
to kind of support you in that.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, the joscell Initiative was just taking it that extra
step further. We had originally identified that fourteen hundred acre
property that we literally just acquired a month ago, and
we're going to have that wall finished probably next week,
which is super exciting to move it that fast. But
I reached out to Alexis Jocelin's another because I want
to be really careful and protect them, and I said,
(27:04):
you know, i'd like to name this initiative after Jocelyn.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I would like to do, you.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Know, I want I want to keep her at the
forefront of people's memory so that we know her story
so it hopefully never repeats again. And it was great
having her with me at the press conference. But basically
we're just aggressively looking for properties all around the state,
anything the Trump administration might need. We're partnering with them
and saying, look, how can we be helpful. How can
(27:29):
we help these violent criminals get off of our soil.
Our jails are fully overcrowded with them. To get that
burden off the local officials, and so we're just it's just.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Us saying we're in.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
We're doing whatever we can, whatever property I have, whatever
you need from the General Land Office. We are here
to help these get these violent criminals off our soil
who are raping and murdering our sons and daughters.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you're also talking about land that will
be available for border wall construction. And we know the
border wall was the big issue in twenty sixteen. Joe
Biden sadly through all of that border wall construction material away.
So here we are starting at square one again. But
it sounds like you've been working behind the scenes very
(28:17):
hard on this, so we appreciate everything you've done, and
I appreciate you being here today.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, thanks so much for having me on. Its great
being on with you, and you have a great day.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Absolutely, everybody check her out. She is Commissioner Don and
Buckingham in Texas. We appreciate what you do over there,
and we thank all of you for joining us on
this podcast today. For this episode and others, go to
Tutor dixonpodcast dot com. You can subscribe right there, or
go to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
get your podcasts and join us next time. Have a
(28:45):
blessed day.
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