January 1, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy New Year. This is the best of Show with
Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The winds keep getting.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Stacked and we haven't even gotten the official inauguration of
Donald Trump yet.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We're going to have some fun with you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
As I don't believe we've even said on this program,
we will be up in Washington, d C. For the
inauguration from the Clay and Buck Headquarters studios in Washington,
d C. It should be a lot of fun. We're
going to be celebrating bringing you all the sites and
sounds of the nation's capital as Donald Trump takes back control.
There are a lot of stories to get into. We're
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going to dive into all of them. But breaking news
from the Wall Street Journal this morning, in conjunction with
breaking news I believe from Variety Magazine, the culture Wars.
We're finally starting to win some battles, Buck, and I've
got a sort of roadmap here that I want to
run us through your home state of Florida, now your
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relocated home state.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Buck has become a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Frontline winner in this culture war, and let me kind
of give you a roadmap.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Let me explain what I mean by that.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
If you haven't heard, the decision to settle the ABC
News defamation lawsuit filed by Trump against ABC News and
George Stephanopolis over them accusing him of having been adjudicated
guilty of or a libel for rape was settled for
fifteen million dollars, and the decision went all the way
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up to CEO Bob Iger. Why did they settle this case?
It made it past summary judgment. That means it was
going to go to trial probably, and it was going
to be going to trial in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh yeah, the state.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Of Florida won by thirteen points by Donald Trump, where
Ron DeSantis has absolutely kicked Disney's butt all over the
place in the wake of their don't say gay rebellion
against the State of Florida. Remember, basically Disney bent the
knee to DeSantis and the State of Florida and effectively
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said you were right, we were wrong. That comes along
with this news story. Again, I think this is significant.
First of all, the fact that it even happened is
a sign of how broken our culture had become. But
the fact that we're now starting to get wins stacked,
I think is significant. Buck Disney has decided to eliminate
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a transgender storyline from an upcoming series that it was making,
called Win or Lose. The show was about a co
ed middle school softball team and there were eight episodes,
each one centered on the off the field life of
one of the characters. There was a transgender character that
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was going to be featured in this children's programming. Disney
says they have decided to pull that because, quote, when
it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we
recognize many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with
their children on their own timeline and terms.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This is effectively Disney saying Ron DeSantis, you were right.
We apologize for all that don't say gay bs. We
are bending the knee to Trump DeSantis and to reasonable
rational parents out there that don't believe animated programming should
be addressing issues of sexuality.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
This is a big win. I think it's important to
celebrate wins.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
There's huge change of foot right now and we are
seeing it and it is positive.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's very encouraging.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I would just say to put in context, Clay, what
a difference it is now with Disney in tone and action.
Remember just a couple of years ago we were doing
the show together, so it's definitely been the last few years.
The Disney Chief Creative exec whatever her official title was,
who said she had a pan sexual child and a
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trans child, Well, the the lotto odds of that, I mean,
she might as well go out and do a scratch
off ticket, because wow, the chances of that just happening
to be the case for somebody is infinitesimal. And she
was talking also in the context of the need to
push more LGBTQIA plus you know, I think we might
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even actually get to a place where we don't have
to use that acronym anymore because they're different. By the way,
Why put all of these people together. I've had conversations
recently with a couple of friends of mine who are gay,
and they despise the fact that the trans and pan
sexual and all these different identities are always linked now
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to the gay community, as if this is the same thing.
They said, No, they have the thing. They've got something
else going on. We have something else going on. So
you can talk about this now more openly. But I
think Clay your your ABC Stephanopoulos point, this is really
really critical right now for the Trump movement. We've talked
a lot about this, the deep state. They're continuing resolution
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by the way Congress will get to that. They want
to just do what they've done, and people are paying
attention now. But there's also the border, which you've talked
about a lot. Here's the question, Clay, and it's a
big one, and I think the ABC News one goes
to this. And also Trump now suing and Seltzer, the
pollster in Iowa. I don't know if we've mentioned this.
I don't think we've mentioned this yet on the show.
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He's suing the Iowa pollster who was off by seventeen
points something like that with her last poll before the election.
What is the proper response, Clay, to the law fair
that has been done against Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What is the proper response? Sorry, go ahead, no, I said,
it's a fantastic question.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean, continue, Let's just think about some of the
things they have done to him. What should Trump and
the new administration do in response to the not just
for criminal indictments, the absolutely ludicrous four hundred million dollars
or something whatever that I can't even remember the number.
It was hundreds of millions of dollars that new York
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State brought into settlement against him, where the banks that
work with them said, we were paid on time, made money,
and everything was great. What do you talk? How is
that fraud? Everybody's happy except the Democrat partisan attorney general.
The New York City case as well, Clay, so many
instances of this is what does Trump do? They keep saying,
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we're afraid of the retribution. Well, there should be justice,
and to some people that may look like retribution.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I think that's all said. Here's what a lot of
people are missing. I think buck where he's filing these lawsuits,
the biggest part of lawfair against Donald Trump was blue
cities and blue states went to war with them. Where
did they bring their cases? New York City where the
jury is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump, Atlanta, Georgia, where the
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jury is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Where the jury is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump. Where did
the case collapse?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
First?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Florida when they had to move the case relating to
classified documents from Washington.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
D C.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
To Florida.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't know that many people out there in the
general public spend much time thinking about this, but lawyers
spend a great deal of time thinking about this. Where
your case is heard and where it is filed matters monumentally.
Red state and red cities have been nowhere near as
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aggressive in using the law to go after their political
enemies as Democrats have been with Blue City.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's in blue states.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Why did the case get settled the fifteen million dollars
ABC News? Because I think it was filed in Florida
and they were terrified of the jury there.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Let's think about some of the defamation suit. That's what
I'm going through. Where's he where he's filing now, Buck Iowa?
He won by sixteen. Gannett's going to be really nervous
about this. This is what It's so important though, that
people understand the context of these actions play. Egene Carroll
brought a suit only possible because they changed the statue
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to limitations in New York so she could bring the suit,
a suit that Trump, no person could really defend himself against.
He growthed me in an apartment store thirty five years ago.
There's no footage, there's no evidence, but I say so,
and now in a jury hates me, so they're going
to go along with this. Then Trump says I didn't
assault or rape this woman and she's lying. You know,
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he says she's lying, and then he is sued for
defaming her. I mean, so now, if you are, if
you are civilly accused of something that could never be
criminally proven, and you say no, I'm not guilty of that,
that person is lying about me, you can be sued
for what was the judgment? There wasn't it. It was
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a very I can't remember all these judgment against Trump.
The eging Carol defamation suit was very substantial.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's garbage and.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Remember of millions.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Not only it's not only that they got the judgment,
it's that they freaking change the statute of limitations to
allow the judgment to occur.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yes, I mean you and me are.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm sorry it was five million.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I said ten.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It was a five million dollar judgment. But I'm just
saying this is for you saying I didn't rape that woman.
She's lying. Now you can be sued for five million dollars.
They have weaponized the law in ways that we are
just beginning to come to grips with. And I think
the the ABC thing you're picking up on Clay goes
right to this.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You have to fire back. And I've been arguing this
for a long time. You have to make the other
side fear what you might do to them too, And
that's the only way I think you come back to
a measure of justice. At some point, it becomes so
corrupted if one side thinks that they can walk up
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and punch you in the mouth over and over again,
and you're just gonna turn the other cheek every time
and say, boy, I really wish you hadn't punched me
in the mouth. This is really you really are being
mean to me. Boy, you're being a hypocrite. Sooner or later,
words don't work. And I mean, everybody who's ever dealt
with a bully knows bullies respect power, they respect fear.
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They have to think that they might get punched back
in the mouth at some point in time, and if
they don't, then they will continue to take advantage of you.
And I think we're finally getting a spine and throwing
some punches.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Heay Rudy Giuliani, who saved my hometown and to whom
I will always be great, And millions of New Yorkers,
even some a lot of Democrats, feel the same way.
Grateful to what he did for New Yorkers, for fellow Americans.
He lost a one hundred and forty eight million dollar
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defamation suit or what he said about two election workers. Now, look,
should he have said that. No, apparently it was all untrue.
But but you know, put aside for a second. It's
basically one hundred and fifty million dollar judgment and they're
enforcing it against Rudi Giuliani's destitute now because he made
a claim. They said it was unfounded, it was contentious,
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it was political, and they brought it in a jurisdiction
that's going to crush anybody Trump associated. We to your point,
if we do not, if our side does not take
action to show that this is a mutually assured law
fair destruction in America that you know, they so to speak,
fire the nukes like the old Soviets. We fire the
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nukes and everybody loses. If we don't establish that precedent,
they just keep doing this. Look at what Steve Bannon
had to go to federal prison. What did Steve Bannon
do nothing that Eric Holder didn't do. By the way,
when he was Attorney general, did he go to federal prison?
Enough is enough? They say Clay, they're worried about retribution.
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Everybody who voted for Trump and sees what's going on
should say there's no retribution. There is a reckoning, though
there is a righteousness coming.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
This is huge. I don't know that most people have recognized.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I mean, basically, Disney, what they just did Buck is
they said, yeah, DeSantis was right alllong when he said
we shouldn't be teaching gender ideology to kids in schools.
This is the whole fight. This is why they filed
the lawsuit everything else. Now they have completely bent the knee.
For those of you out there who have been saying, Okay,
how do things change sooner or later? You have to
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start to stack wins. And we are stacking wins on
a level, frankly, that we haven't seen in this culture
in a long time. And I know many of you,
I think it's important. I know you've said this on
the show, and I think it's important to echo it.
You got to celebrate some wins every now and then.
You can't just be upset about how things are going.
You have to start to stack victories of your own
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and we are doing that, and I think this is
seismic culturally. What Disney has just done. They said DeSantis
was right. They settled with Trump. Disney is going back
to trying to be a company that, guess what, just
makes movies that your kids would like to watch, which
is what they should have been doing all along.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
This Trump win across the board, Clay is lighting up
the scoreboard for sanity right now, and it's a notable thing.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
David in Minnesota, what did you think about what you're
seeing out there?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You know, guys, we've been talking about the culture for
many years. Rush you guys, your audience, and how that
if until Trump or the GOP Republicans, whatever you want
to call it, became the equivalent of sitting at the
cool kids table, nothing would change. And with the dances
in the UFC, the NFL, with a landslide victory, Trump
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winning the young male vote, it's just it's coming. There's
a sea change coming. The culture is changing and it's
only going to get better. Thanks guys, what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm going to talk about this more in the next hour.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I think he's one hundred percent right for the culture
to have changed to the extent where young men out
there are diehard Trump wearing Maga hat badasses. I think
what's really interesting to me, And again everything is anecdotal,
but I saw this young men rise coming for Trump support.
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Buck my boys and the kids that they have and
that they hang out around. They're still by and large
not able to vote. Then this next decade, I think
they're going to be even more diehard Trump voting and
the current generation right, Like my fourteen year old in
the car the other day, I talked about this, saying,
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I'm gonna be able to vote in twenty eight He's
going to vote Republican one billion percent.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Jen Z in particular, and I think millennials as well,
there was a sense that to be cool, and this
might have been a part of the kind of Obama phenomenon,
but the cool kids were Democrats was a widespread I
never agreed with that because Clay I always thought I
was a cool kid and my conservative friends, but there
was a you know, the culture was much more aligned
with them. I think jen Alpha, which I've now learned,
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is what's below gen Z, You're gonna see a lot
more the cool kids are conservative because of these alternative
media pathways, because of the effect of a lot of
shows out there, including this one. I might add, but
you know the sort of bro podcasters, the Rogan effect,
elon all of it. If you're a if you're an
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eighteen year old guy right now, you know, who do
you really look up to in the like if you're
a standard of American eighteen year old guy, any you know,
any race, whatever, any religion, who do you really look
up to in the Democrat Party? I don't know who
it is.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Was having this conversation over the weekend, Buck, I was
having this conversation like, who would you I was talking
with a bunch of dudes, just again, dudes, not even
particularly particularly political. I asked the question, can you name
me a Democrat that you'd like to go watch this
football game with? Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Another news story, and I think it ties in with
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what we are talking about. The Supreme Court has agreed
to hear the TikTok appeal of it potentially being banned
in some way in the United States starting after the
first of the year. And I want to tie that
in with what's going on with the settlement that we
saw in Florida and the bending the knee from Walke Disney,
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because I do think it's part of a larger societal
move where we're going to get at a new First
Amendment case at some point at the Supreme Court. But
Buck my understanding, and you correct me if I'm wrong
on this. I was doing my reading on the TikTok
case this morning when when they talk about a ban
effectively what it would mean, And let me start with this,
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what percentage of our audience do you think is on TikTok?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Fifteen percent, well.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Less than five, less than five.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So I understand it's a small minority of you, but
as you get ready for Christmas holiday season, your kids
and grandkids are almost certainly on TikTok. So this is
maybe a conversation that that that some of you end
up having associated with this. So my understanding, Buck, is
when they say ban, what this law would actually do.
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It's not it can't remove TikTok from your phones, but
effectively it doesn't allow TikTok to continue to update its algorithm,
meaning that I believe they have one hundred and seventy
million viewers in the United States dates or or people
who downloaded the app, so basically half the country has
a TikTok account, and we have a Clay and Buck
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TikTok account. By the way, I have one. I haven't
posted in a long time. Do you post anything on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I go on TikTok as to be a viewer, but
I don't really post on TikTok. It's you know, I
don't have time.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So what it would do is stop allowing the app
to update, and that would effectively render it obsolete because
all of these apps have to constantly have new tech
updates in order to function effectively. Okay, so what's going
on here? The Supreme Court is going to hear this case.
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One reason, according to The Wall Street Journal, that Disney
settled their case that's ABC News paid fifteen million dollars
to Donald Trump, is Bob Iiger was afraid of getting
in front of a floor to jury and potentially getting
hit with a verdict that could cost a company hundreds
of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But also, yeah, I just wanted to we didn't mention this.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Look what they did to Fox. Yes, that's why that's
where it ties it in roll right, Yeah, Look look
at the size of the Fox on them. What was
it eight hundred million.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It was huge, almost eight hundred million dollars. And the
reason why Fox settled was they were afraid a jury
in Delaware, which would have not been sympathetic to them,
could have given a verdict that was massively huge beyond
that and ultimately they felt like they were going to
prevail on the First Amendment, but they would then have
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to take it all the way to the court and
it could take multiple years. And this TikTok case has
the potential to re evaluate in a substantial way potentially
First Amendment law. The reason why I bring this up
is Disney is getting ripped for settling this case. And
again the victory is substantial. But I want to play
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a couple of these cuts from you Warrence Tribe, who
used to be somebody who's at actually committed to the
First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
He is completely bonkers on Twitter. I mean, you could
see this guy has lost his mind. He's a Trump.
He is a Trump stage five derangement fellow.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So here is he reacting to this cut eighteen.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
He's losing it a little bit. But listen, it was
a week lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
He was destined to lose it. But rather than basically
be on the wrong side of Donald Trump. Disney, the
company that owned ABC, obviously put pressure on ABC to cave.
And that's such a terrible precedent because it means that
whenever a media outlet is part of a conglomerate, the
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business interests of the owner can induce that media outlet
to silence itself. And when that happens, those who would
criticize the leader of government, those who would criticize the
president or the government are basically chilled, and that is
the beginning of the end of democracy.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He's completely wrong here, And notice what he doesn't say
that George Stepanopolis was wrong. Trump filed a lawsuit because
George Stepanopolis on his program incorrectly said that Trump had
been adjudicated civilly liable for rape.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He was not.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
In fact, the jury said he was not culpable, he
was not liable. So what Lawrence Tribe is not saying
here is actually George Stepanopolis put his employers in a
bad position by saying something that was untrue on television,
And in fact, we should want fewer people saying things
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that are untrue on television. Here's Chuck Todd. He said, oh,
this is a gut punch for all of media. How
so Stephanopolis was wrong.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Listen, this was stunning to me and absolutely a gut
punch to anybody that works at a major media company,
because because I think it, it does set a it
sets a precedent that is going to be very difficult.
It's going to be very difficult to get from get
out from under potentially. I just you know, I think
the risk of losing this suit was five percent right
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for ABCBC, BBC, So you know this was a decision
to buy off a bad.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Pr Okay, he's wrong too. I think they would have
lost this suit. Now they may have won the appeal.
But here is something that's really important. George Stephanopolis has
the right to say anything that he wants about Donald Trump.
He can say I believe Donald Trump is a rapist.
Now the evidence doesn't support that based on that case.
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What he can't say is that a court said Trump
was a rapist because that didn't happen. There is a
big distinction and a lot of people don't understand this
between opinion and between fact, and this is what the
essence of this case is, right.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I mean, we could sit here, remember Keith Oldman's worst
person in the world thing. We could say that in
media the worst person in the world in our opinion,
or I says for me, the worst person in the
world may in fact be Keith Oberman. That's an opinion.
But you can't say that. Let's say some person is
adjudicated a murderer or a judi. You can't say someone's
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a child molester according to court record when that's a lie,
because then you can destroy anybody's reputation. You could destroy
any person in the public.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Sphere that there's that like. Keith Oberman is a good example.
I believe iHeart distributes Keith Oberman's podcast. One of You
sent me a clip where Keith Oberman and by the
way iHeart distributes this show, Keith Oberman called me a
racist neanderthal. I think now I would, by you know,
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an awful human being, like a bunch of different insults
from Keith Oberman.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Distributed by iHeart.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Now, I have a thick skin, and I think Keith
Olberman should be able to say truly awful things about me,
but he shouldn't be able to say to your point,
Clay Travis has been axjudicated to be a rapist or
a child molestor if he said that about me, I
don't know that I would spend the time filing a
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lawsuit on it, but he would be liable for those
things because it's actually untrue. Whereas his opinion, you guys
can listen to, maybe some of you agree, maybe some
of you think I'm a trogola dyte, awful, misogynist, racist,
Like you're entitled to have that opinion. You can't say
a court has determined it to be true. That's what
Stephanopflis did. He screwed up in a big way and
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his company is paying because of that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Well, also, this comes after years. I think the context
here is important, Clay. This comes after years of them
saying with impunity and I think, with a degree of
political efficacy, the most awful things about Donald Trump imaginable, Yes,
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you know, saying, for example, they could say, oh, well
he's a racist. Now that's basically an opinion, right, you can.
And of course the Democrats do. They call anybody they
want a racist, and they try to ruin somebody in
the public sphere, and they try to destroy their reputation.
They know that a lot of the people they say
this about are not racist, but you know whatever, that's
an opinion. But when they say things like Trump is
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an agent of Russia, a Russian asset that's accusing and
effectively of a crime, a crime of treason, really, and
you would wonder what is the society coming to if
you can say these things with total impunity and there's
no repercussions whatsoever. Why not just lie about everybody in
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the most egregious way all the time. There actually have
to be lines here. That's why defamation and slander and
libel are on the books.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
For good reason.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and this is why. And I actually maybe we
should do a deep dive. I'll even sit down and
talk to a bunch of nerds, legal nerds on this,
because some of you may be super interested in it.
I am, and a lot of legal stuff makes my
eyes roll back into my head. I'm like, this is
the most boring thing ever. The way in which we
define the First Amendment in a social media era has
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to be recalibrated because back in the day, Buck, when
New York Times v. Sullivan happened, your name only appeared
in the newspaper typically if you were a normal person,
not a public figure. On the day you were born
and on the day you died. Right, That was pretty
common in the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, sixties, that kind
of era. So most people were not quote unquote public figures.
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In this day and age, I would argue of social media,
almost everyone is a public figure at all the time.
And I think we should have a standard that is
difficult to define, but should apply kind of evenly between everyone,
because all of us are modern day public figures. What
should be able to be said in a public forum
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about someone should not be different, in my opinion, in
the way that it is in New York Times, Eas Sullivan.
And also, we don't have this print publication era where
everybody has tons of hours to get ready. There are
lots of errors that happen. I hoped remember the Nicholas
Sandman case, that young kid who was wearing the make
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America Greater Again, had I remember Lincoln Memorial steps. They
totally turned him into a racist, awful human being. He
got attacked unfairly. He'd done nothing wrong. In fact, he
was a victim when the full context of the video
came out. He's a kid on a freaking class trip
to Washington. D c on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
We don't know what the settlements he got because they
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weren't public. Somebody needs to take a case all the
way to the end degree and really have a new
precedent set. So that's to me what the significance is
of this fifteen million dollars that Trump got from ABC News.
It's ABC News recognizing stephan Ovelis was totally wrong. I
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think bucked them behind the scenes. They were about to
get the depositions. I think they would have found out
how biased ABC News is against Trump. There would have
been a lot of discovery that would have embarrassed that network.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's why Bob Iger, the CEO.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Of Disney, which owns ABC News, I believe, made the
decision to settle this case.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So I look, I understand for some people who are
seeing what's going on here, I mean the you know,
the Seltzer lawsuit, I don't I don't think that's going
anywhere because her defense is just going to be I'm
an idiot or you know, I was an idiot on
this issue. I screwed up. I don't think a poll
unless they can prove that you were kind of looting
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behind the scenes to misintentional manipulation of the would be
the only It would be really tough. It's not impossible.
I think it's really really hard to prove that Upholster
was doing something that's legally actionable in a civil context.
That said, the stuff that they've been getting away with
when it comes to Trump and doing to Trump. That's
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why I think the Egen Carol suit and the Rudy
Giuliani suit in Atlanta, you know, and these they're bankrupting
their political enemies with nonsense. I mean, in what universe
do you have one hundred and fifty million dollars judge
for two women who based on their current earnings and
they're not going to make five million dollars over the
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next thirty years. Clay, Yeah, you're you know, so you're
giving them one hundred and fifty million dollars. That's not
even gonna happen because Rudy Giuliani has already been bankrupted
by all the lawfair against him. It's it's monstrous what
they've done with the law and it has to be
set right. And I think just to bring this full
circle through their initial discussion, which is it doesn't the
way out of this is not well, we're not going
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to do mean things to them, it's what are our principles,
what are our what are our legal and ethical responsibilities
to the system who violated those, and what will their
punishment be that, you know, other otherwise you're just in
a one way war. Otherwise, you know, the Republicans are
like pacifists, and the Nazis are rolling in with their pans,
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are saying, well, this is really easy, Like you can't
have a one way war. So this needs to be done.
This needs to be part of the incoming administration's agenda.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It is
that time of year, holiday music season and holiday movie season.
I still think, and we'll have some fun with this,
probably later in the week. I still think A Christmas
Story is the greatest Christmas movie, and I put I
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would put Christmas Vacation, I think in second place for
ones that I can watch all the time. Maybe on Thursday,
the last day we're hanging out together, we can have
some fun with Christmas movies.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I'll be here with you Friday. We got a.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Special coming to you on Christmas Eve. But I wanted
to make sure that we did. I don't think we
mentioned this on the show yesterday, Buck. Kamala Harris says
she's not done. She says that she is gonna run again.
She's putting out all the vibes that she's gonna run
in twenty twenty eight. And I know many of you,
myself included, are saying, please please let her run again.
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Maybe she's gonna run for governor. Now she would win governor.
It seems like she would basically clear out all the
challengers and then that would give her the platform to
be able to run again. But this is what we
are not going to be hearing a lot of come January,
thanks to Trump's big win. But this was Kamala yesterday
talking to the DNC. Listen to cut ten.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Our spirit is not defeated.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
We are not defeated. Let's be clear about that.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
We are strong, we are clear about why we are
in this.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
You're willing to put in the hard work, and that
work must continue.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But the spirit's pretty defeated, Let's be honest. She sounds
like the drum. Somebody made the analogy that Kamala Harris
sounds like the drunk chick waiting in line at the
bathroom trying to talk to another woman and tell her
why she's so much better than the boy she's with
or whatever else, and I can't every time she talks. Now,
I think she is the drunk chick at the bar
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trying to have a conversation with someone while you're on
the way to the bathroom. That is Kamala Harris. And
I hope she stays in the political arena.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Because she's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I can't imagine her winning anything outside the state of California.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I really can't
Happy New Year. This is the best of Show with
Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The winds keep getting.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Stacked and we haven't even gotten the official inauguration of
Donald Trump yet.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We're going to have some fun with you.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
As I don't believe we've even said on this program,
we will be up in Washington, d C. For the
inauguration from the Clay and Buck Headquarters studios in Washington,
d C. It should be a lot of fun. We're
going to be celebrating bringing you all the sites and
sounds of the nation's capital as Donald Trump takes back control.
There are a lot of stories to get into. We're
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going to dive into all of them. But breaking news
from the Wall Street Journal this morning, in conjunction with
breaking news I believe from Variety Magazine, the culture Wars.
We're finally starting to win some battles, Buck, and I've
got a sort of roadmap here that I want to
run us through your home state of Florida, now your
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relocated home state.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Buck has become a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Frontline winner in this culture war, and let me kind
of give you a roadmap.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Let me explain what I mean by that.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
If you haven't heard, the decision to settle the ABC
News defamation lawsuit filed by Trump against ABC News and
George Stephanopolis over them accusing him of having been adjudicated
guilty of or a libel for rape was settled for
fifteen million dollars, and the decision went all the way
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up to CEO Bob Iger. Why did they settle this case?
It made it past summary judgment. That means it was
going to go to trial probably, and it was going
to be going to trial in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh yeah, the state.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Of Florida won by thirteen points by Donald Trump, where
Ron DeSantis has absolutely kicked Disney's butt all over the
place in the wake of their don't say gay rebellion
against the State of Florida. Remember, basically Disney bent the
knee to DeSantis and the State of Florida and effectively
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said you were right, we were wrong. That comes along
with this news story. Again, I think this is significant.
First of all, the fact that it even happened is
a sign of how broken our culture had become. But
the fact that we're now starting to get wins stacked,
I think is significant. Buck Disney has decided to eliminate
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a transgender storyline from an upcoming series that it was making,
called Win or Lose. The show was about a co
ed middle school softball team and there were eight episodes,
each one centered on the off the field life of
one of the characters. There was a transgender character that
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was going to be featured in this children's programming. Disney
says they have decided to pull that because, quote, when
it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we
recognize many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with
their children on their own timeline and terms.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This is effectively Disney saying Ron DeSantis, you were right.
We apologize for all that don't say gay bs. We
are bending the knee to Trump DeSantis and to reasonable
rational parents out there that don't believe animated programming should
be addressing issues of sexuality.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
This is a big win. I think it's important to
celebrate wins.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
There's huge change of foot right now and we are
seeing it and it is positive.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's very encouraging.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I would just say to put in context, Clay, what
a difference it is now with Disney in tone and action.
Remember just a couple of years ago we were doing
the show together, so it's definitely been the last few years.
The Disney Chief Creative exec whatever her official title was,
who said she had a pan sexual child and a
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trans child, Well, the the lotto odds of that, I mean,
she might as well go out and do a scratch
off ticket, because wow, the chances of that just happening
to be the case for somebody is infinitesimal. And she
was talking also in the context of the need to
push more LGBTQIA plus you know, I think we might
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even actually get to a place where we don't have
to use that acronym anymore because they're different. By the way,
Why put all of these people together. I've had conversations
recently with a couple of friends of mine who are gay,
and they despise the fact that the trans and pan
sexual and all these different identities are always linked now
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to the gay community, as if this is the same thing.
They said, No, they have the thing. They've got something
else going on. We have something else going on. So
you can talk about this now more openly. But I
think Clay your your ABC Stephanopoulos point, this is really
really critical right now for the Trump movement. We've talked
a lot about this, the deep state. They're continuing resolution
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by the way Congress will get to that. They want
to just do what they've done, and people are paying
attention now. But there's also the border, which you've talked
about a lot. Here's the question, Clay, and it's a
big one, and I think the ABC News one goes
to this. And also Trump now suing and Seltzer, the
pollster in Iowa. I don't know if we've mentioned this.
I don't think we've mentioned this yet on the show.
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He's suing the Iowa pollster who was off by seventeen
points something like that with her last poll before the election.
What is the proper response, Clay, to the law fair
that has been done against Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What is the proper response? Sorry, go ahead, no, I said,
it's a fantastic question.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean, continue, Let's just think about some of the
things they have done to him. What should Trump and
the new administration do in response to the not just
for criminal indictments, the absolutely ludicrous four hundred million dollars
or something whatever that I can't even remember the number.
It was hundreds of millions of dollars that new York
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State brought into settlement against him, where the banks that
work with them said, we were paid on time, made money,
and everything was great. What do you talk? How is
that fraud? Everybody's happy except the Democrat partisan attorney general.
The New York City case as well, Clay, so many
instances of this is what does Trump do? They keep saying,
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we're afraid of the retribution. Well, there should be justice,
and to some people that may look like retribution.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I think that's all said. Here's what a lot of
people are missing. I think buck where he's filing these lawsuits,
the biggest part of lawfair against Donald Trump was blue
cities and blue states went to war with them. Where
did they bring their cases? New York City where the
jury is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump, Atlanta, Georgia, where the
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jury is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Where the jury is overwhelmingly rigged against Trump. Where did
the case collapse?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
First?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Florida when they had to move the case relating to
classified documents from Washington.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
D C.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
To Florida.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't know that many people out there in the
general public spend much time thinking about this, but lawyers
spend a great deal of time thinking about this. Where
your case is heard and where it is filed matters monumentally.
Red state and red cities have been nowhere near as
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aggressive in using the law to go after their political
enemies as Democrats have been with Blue City.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's in blue states.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Why did the case get settled the fifteen million dollars
ABC News? Because I think it was filed in Florida
and they were terrified of the jury there.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Let's think about some of the defamation suit. That's what
I'm going through. Where's he where he's filing now, Buck Iowa?
He won by sixteen. Gannett's going to be really nervous
about this. This is what It's so important though, that
people understand the context of these actions play. Egene Carroll
brought a suit only possible because they changed the statue
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to limitations in New York so she could bring the suit,
a suit that Trump, no person could really defend himself against.
He growthed me in an apartment store thirty five years ago.
There's no footage, there's no evidence, but I say so,
and now in a jury hates me, so they're going
to go along with this. Then Trump says I didn't
assault or rape this woman and she's lying. You know,
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he says she's lying, and then he is sued for
defaming her. I mean, so now, if you are, if
you are civilly accused of something that could never be
criminally proven, and you say no, I'm not guilty of that,
that person is lying about me, you can be sued
for what was the judgment? There wasn't it. It was
(09:16):
a very I can't remember all these judgment against Trump.
The eging Carol defamation suit was very substantial.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's garbage and.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Remember of millions.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Not only it's not only that they got the judgment,
it's that they freaking change the statute of limitations to
allow the judgment to occur.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yes, I mean you and me are.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm sorry it was five million.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I said ten.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It was a five million dollar judgment. But I'm just
saying this is for you saying I didn't rape that woman.
She's lying. Now you can be sued for five million dollars.
They have weaponized the law in ways that we are
just beginning to come to grips with. And I think
the the ABC thing you're picking up on Clay goes
right to this.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You have to fire back. And I've been arguing this
for a long time. You have to make the other
side fear what you might do to them too, And
that's the only way I think you come back to
a measure of justice. At some point, it becomes so
corrupted if one side thinks that they can walk up
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and punch you in the mouth over and over again,
and you're just gonna turn the other cheek every time
and say, boy, I really wish you hadn't punched me
in the mouth. This is really you really are being
mean to me. Boy, you're being a hypocrite. Sooner or later,
words don't work. And I mean, everybody who's ever dealt
with a bully knows bullies respect power, they respect fear.
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They have to think that they might get punched back
in the mouth at some point in time, and if
they don't, then they will continue to take advantage of you.
And I think we're finally getting a spine and throwing
some punches.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Heay Rudy Giuliani, who saved my hometown and to whom
I will always be great, And millions of New Yorkers,
even some a lot of Democrats, feel the same way.
Grateful to what he did for New Yorkers, for fellow Americans.
He lost a one hundred and forty eight million dollar
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defamation suit or what he said about two election workers. Now, look,
should he have said that. No, apparently it was all untrue.
But but you know, put aside for a second. It's
basically one hundred and fifty million dollar judgment and they're
enforcing it against Rudi Giuliani's destitute now because he made
a claim. They said it was unfounded, it was contentious,
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it was political, and they brought it in a jurisdiction
that's going to crush anybody Trump associated. We to your point,
if we do not, if our side does not take
action to show that this is a mutually assured law
fair destruction in America that you know, they so to speak,
fire the nukes like the old Soviets. We fire the
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nukes and everybody loses. If we don't establish that precedent,
they just keep doing this. Look at what Steve Bannon
had to go to federal prison. What did Steve Bannon
do nothing that Eric Holder didn't do. By the way,
when he was Attorney general, did he go to federal prison?
Enough is enough? They say Clay, they're worried about retribution.
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Everybody who voted for Trump and sees what's going on
should say there's no retribution. There is a reckoning, though
there is a righteousness coming.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
This is huge. I don't know that most people have recognized.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I mean, basically, Disney, what they just did Buck is
they said, yeah, DeSantis was right alllong when he said
we shouldn't be teaching gender ideology to kids in schools.
This is the whole fight. This is why they filed
the lawsuit everything else. Now they have completely bent the knee.
For those of you out there who have been saying, Okay,
how do things change sooner or later? You have to
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start to stack wins. And we are stacking wins on
a level, frankly, that we haven't seen in this culture
in a long time. And I know many of you,
I think it's important. I know you've said this on
the show, and I think it's important to echo it.
You got to celebrate some wins every now and then.
You can't just be upset about how things are going.
You have to start to stack victories of your own
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and we are doing that, and I think this is
seismic culturally. What Disney has just done. They said DeSantis
was right. They settled with Trump. Disney is going back
to trying to be a company that, guess what, just
makes movies that your kids would like to watch, which
is what they should have been doing all along.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
This Trump win across the board, Clay is lighting up
the scoreboard for sanity right now, and it's a notable thing.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
David in Minnesota, what did you think about what you're
seeing out there?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
You know, guys, we've been talking about the culture for
many years. Rush you guys, your audience, and how that
if until Trump or the GOP Republicans, whatever you want
to call it, became the equivalent of sitting at the
cool kids table, nothing would change. And with the dances
in the UFC, the NFL, with a landslide victory, Trump
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winning the young male vote, it's just it's coming. There's
a sea change coming. The culture is changing and it's
only going to get better. Thanks guys, what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm going to talk about this more in the next hour.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I think he's one hundred percent right for the culture
to have changed to the extent where young men out
there are diehard Trump wearing Maga hat badasses. I think
what's really interesting to me, And again everything is anecdotal,
but I saw this young men rise coming for Trump support.
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Buck my boys and the kids that they have and
that they hang out around. They're still by and large
not able to vote. Then this next decade, I think
they're going to be even more diehard Trump voting and
the current generation right, Like my fourteen year old in
the car the other day, I talked about this, saying,
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I'm gonna be able to vote in twenty eight He's
going to vote Republican one billion percent.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Jen Z in particular, and I think millennials as well,
there was a sense that to be cool, and this
might have been a part of the kind of Obama phenomenon,
but the cool kids were Democrats was a widespread I
never agreed with that because Clay I always thought I
was a cool kid and my conservative friends, but there
was a you know, the culture was much more aligned
with them. I think jen Alpha, which I've now learned,
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is what's below gen Z, You're gonna see a lot
more the cool kids are conservative because of these alternative
media pathways, because of the effect of a lot of
shows out there, including this one. I might add, but
you know the sort of bro podcasters, the Rogan effect,
elon all of it. If you're a if you're an
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eighteen year old guy right now, you know, who do
you really look up to in the like if you're
a standard of American eighteen year old guy, any you know,
any race, whatever, any religion, who do you really look
up to in the Democrat Party? I don't know who
it is.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Was having this conversation over the weekend, Buck, I was
having this conversation like, who would you I was talking
with a bunch of dudes, just again, dudes, not even
particularly particularly political. I asked the question, can you name
me a Democrat that you'd like to go watch this
football game with? Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Another news story, and I think it ties in with
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what we are talking about. The Supreme Court has agreed
to hear the TikTok appeal of it potentially being banned
in some way in the United States starting after the
first of the year. And I want to tie that
in with what's going on with the settlement that we
saw in Florida and the bending the knee from Walke Disney,
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because I do think it's part of a larger societal
move where we're going to get at a new First
Amendment case at some point at the Supreme Court. But
Buck my understanding, and you correct me if I'm wrong
on this. I was doing my reading on the TikTok
case this morning when when they talk about a ban
effectively what it would mean, And let me start with this,
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what percentage of our audience do you think is on TikTok?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Fifteen percent, well.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Less than five, less than five.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So I understand it's a small minority of you, but
as you get ready for Christmas holiday season, your kids
and grandkids are almost certainly on TikTok. So this is
maybe a conversation that that that some of you end
up having associated with this. So my understanding, Buck, is
when they say ban, what this law would actually do.
(17:45):
It's not it can't remove TikTok from your phones, but
effectively it doesn't allow TikTok to continue to update its algorithm,
meaning that I believe they have one hundred and seventy
million viewers in the United States dates or or people
who downloaded the app, so basically half the country has
a TikTok account, and we have a Clay and Buck
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TikTok account. By the way, I have one. I haven't
posted in a long time. Do you post anything on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I go on TikTok as to be a viewer, but
I don't really post on TikTok. It's you know, I
don't have time.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So what it would do is stop allowing the app
to update, and that would effectively render it obsolete because
all of these apps have to constantly have new tech
updates in order to function effectively. Okay, so what's going
on here? The Supreme Court is going to hear this case.
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One reason, according to The Wall Street Journal, that Disney
settled their case that's ABC News paid fifteen million dollars
to Donald Trump, is Bob Iiger was afraid of getting
in front of a floor to jury and potentially getting
hit with a verdict that could cost a company hundreds
of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But also, yeah, I just wanted to we didn't mention this.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Look what they did to Fox. Yes, that's why that's
where it ties it in roll right, Yeah, Look look
at the size of the Fox on them. What was
it eight hundred million.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It was huge, almost eight hundred million dollars. And the
reason why Fox settled was they were afraid a jury
in Delaware, which would have not been sympathetic to them,
could have given a verdict that was massively huge beyond
that and ultimately they felt like they were going to
prevail on the First Amendment, but they would then have
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to take it all the way to the court and
it could take multiple years. And this TikTok case has
the potential to re evaluate in a substantial way potentially
First Amendment law. The reason why I bring this up
is Disney is getting ripped for settling this case. And
again the victory is substantial. But I want to play
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a couple of these cuts from you Warrence Tribe, who
used to be somebody who's at actually committed to the
First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
He is completely bonkers on Twitter. I mean, you could
see this guy has lost his mind. He's a Trump.
He is a Trump stage five derangement fellow.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So here is he reacting to this cut eighteen.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
He's losing it a little bit. But listen, it was
a week lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
He was destined to lose it. But rather than basically
be on the wrong side of Donald Trump. Disney, the
company that owned ABC, obviously put pressure on ABC to cave.
And that's such a terrible precedent because it means that
whenever a media outlet is part of a conglomerate, the
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business interests of the owner can induce that media outlet
to silence itself. And when that happens, those who would
criticize the leader of government, those who would criticize the
president or the government are basically chilled, and that is
the beginning of the end of democracy.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He's completely wrong here, And notice what he doesn't say
that George Stepanopolis was wrong. Trump filed a lawsuit because
George Stepanopolis on his program incorrectly said that Trump had
been adjudicated civilly liable for rape.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He was not.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
In fact, the jury said he was not culpable, he
was not liable. So what Lawrence Tribe is not saying
here is actually George Stepanopolis put his employers in a
bad position by saying something that was untrue on television,
And in fact, we should want fewer people saying things
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that are untrue on television. Here's Chuck Todd. He said, oh,
this is a gut punch for all of media. How
so Stephanopolis was wrong.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Listen, this was stunning to me and absolutely a gut
punch to anybody that works at a major media company,
because because I think it, it does set a it
sets a precedent that is going to be very difficult.
It's going to be very difficult to get from get
out from under potentially. I just you know, I think
the risk of losing this suit was five percent right
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for ABCBC, BBC, So you know this was a decision
to buy off a bad.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Pr Okay, he's wrong too. I think they would have
lost this suit. Now they may have won the appeal.
But here is something that's really important. George Stephanopolis has
the right to say anything that he wants about Donald Trump.
He can say I believe Donald Trump is a rapist.
Now the evidence doesn't support that based on that case.
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What he can't say is that a court said Trump
was a rapist because that didn't happen. There is a
big distinction and a lot of people don't understand this
between opinion and between fact, and this is what the
essence of this case is, right.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I mean, we could sit here, remember Keith Oldman's worst
person in the world thing. We could say that in
media the worst person in the world in our opinion,
or I says for me, the worst person in the
world may in fact be Keith Oberman. That's an opinion.
But you can't say that. Let's say some person is
adjudicated a murderer or a judi. You can't say someone's
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a child molester according to court record when that's a lie,
because then you can destroy anybody's reputation. You could destroy
any person in the public.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Sphere that there's that like. Keith Oberman is a good example.
I believe iHeart distributes Keith Oberman's podcast. One of You
sent me a clip where Keith Oberman and by the
way iHeart distributes this show, Keith Oberman called me a
racist neanderthal. I think now I would, by you know,
(23:57):
an awful human being, like a bunch of different insults
from Keith Oberman.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Distributed by iHeart.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Now, I have a thick skin, and I think Keith
Olberman should be able to say truly awful things about me,
but he shouldn't be able to say to your point,
Clay Travis has been axjudicated to be a rapist or
a child molestor if he said that about me, I
don't know that I would spend the time filing a
(24:22):
lawsuit on it, but he would be liable for those
things because it's actually untrue. Whereas his opinion, you guys
can listen to, maybe some of you agree, maybe some
of you think I'm a trogola dyte, awful, misogynist, racist,
Like you're entitled to have that opinion. You can't say
a court has determined it to be true. That's what
Stephanopflis did. He screwed up in a big way and
(24:44):
his company is paying because of that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Well, also, this comes after years. I think the context
here is important, Clay. This comes after years of them
saying with impunity and I think, with a degree of
political efficacy, the most awful things about Donald Trump imaginable, Yes,
(25:09):
you know, saying, for example, they could say, oh, well
he's a racist. Now that's basically an opinion, right, you can.
And of course the Democrats do. They call anybody they
want a racist, and they try to ruin somebody in
the public sphere, and they try to destroy their reputation.
They know that a lot of the people they say
this about are not racist, but you know whatever, that's
an opinion. But when they say things like Trump is
(25:30):
an agent of Russia, a Russian asset that's accusing and
effectively of a crime, a crime of treason, really, and
you would wonder what is the society coming to if
you can say these things with total impunity and there's
no repercussions whatsoever. Why not just lie about everybody in
(25:54):
the most egregious way all the time. There actually have
to be lines here. That's why defamation and slander and
libel are on the books.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
For good reason.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and this is why. And I actually maybe we
should do a deep dive. I'll even sit down and
talk to a bunch of nerds, legal nerds on this,
because some of you may be super interested in it.
I am, and a lot of legal stuff makes my
eyes roll back into my head. I'm like, this is
the most boring thing ever. The way in which we
define the First Amendment in a social media era has
(26:26):
to be recalibrated because back in the day, Buck, when
New York Times v. Sullivan happened, your name only appeared
in the newspaper typically if you were a normal person,
not a public figure. On the day you were born
and on the day you died. Right, That was pretty
common in the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, sixties, that kind
of era. So most people were not quote unquote public figures.
(26:50):
In this day and age, I would argue of social media,
almost everyone is a public figure at all the time.
And I think we should have a standard that is
difficult to define, but should apply kind of evenly between everyone,
because all of us are modern day public figures. What
should be able to be said in a public forum
(27:13):
about someone should not be different, in my opinion, in
the way that it is in New York Times, Eas Sullivan.
And also, we don't have this print publication era where
everybody has tons of hours to get ready. There are
lots of errors that happen. I hoped remember the Nicholas
Sandman case, that young kid who was wearing the make
(27:36):
America Greater Again, had I remember Lincoln Memorial steps. They
totally turned him into a racist, awful human being. He
got attacked unfairly. He'd done nothing wrong. In fact, he
was a victim when the full context of the video
came out. He's a kid on a freaking class trip
to Washington. D c on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
We don't know what the settlements he got because they
(27:58):
weren't public. Somebody needs to take a case all the
way to the end degree and really have a new
precedent set. So that's to me what the significance is
of this fifteen million dollars that Trump got from ABC News.
It's ABC News recognizing stephan Ovelis was totally wrong. I
(28:21):
think bucked them behind the scenes. They were about to
get the depositions. I think they would have found out
how biased ABC News is against Trump. There would have
been a lot of discovery that would have embarrassed that network.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
That's why Bob Iger, the CEO.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Of Disney, which owns ABC News, I believe, made the
decision to settle this case.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So I look, I understand for some people who are
seeing what's going on here, I mean the you know,
the Seltzer lawsuit, I don't I don't think that's going
anywhere because her defense is just going to be I'm
an idiot or you know, I was an idiot on
this issue. I screwed up. I don't think a poll
unless they can prove that you were kind of looting
(29:00):
behind the scenes to misintentional manipulation of the would be
the only It would be really tough. It's not impossible.
I think it's really really hard to prove that Upholster
was doing something that's legally actionable in a civil context.
That said, the stuff that they've been getting away with
when it comes to Trump and doing to Trump. That's
(29:20):
why I think the Egen Carol suit and the Rudy
Giuliani suit in Atlanta, you know, and these they're bankrupting
their political enemies with nonsense. I mean, in what universe
do you have one hundred and fifty million dollars judge
for two women who based on their current earnings and
they're not going to make five million dollars over the
(29:40):
next thirty years. Clay, Yeah, you're you know, so you're
giving them one hundred and fifty million dollars. That's not
even gonna happen because Rudy Giuliani has already been bankrupted
by all the lawfair against him. It's it's monstrous what
they've done with the law and it has to be
set right. And I think just to bring this full
circle through their initial discussion, which is it doesn't the
way out of this is not well, we're not going
(30:03):
to do mean things to them, it's what are our principles,
what are our what are our legal and ethical responsibilities
to the system who violated those, and what will their
punishment be that, you know, other otherwise you're just in
a one way war. Otherwise, you know, the Republicans are
like pacifists, and the Nazis are rolling in with their pans,
(30:25):
are saying, well, this is really easy, Like you can't
have a one way war. So this needs to be done.
This needs to be part of the incoming administration's agenda.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It is
that time of year, holiday music season and holiday movie season.
I still think, and we'll have some fun with this,
probably later in the week. I still think A Christmas
Story is the greatest Christmas movie, and I put I
(31:00):
would put Christmas Vacation, I think in second place for
ones that I can watch all the time. Maybe on Thursday,
the last day we're hanging out together, we can have
some fun with Christmas movies.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I'll be here with you Friday. We got a.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Special coming to you on Christmas Eve. But I wanted
to make sure that we did. I don't think we
mentioned this on the show yesterday, Buck. Kamala Harris says
she's not done. She says that she is gonna run again.
She's putting out all the vibes that she's gonna run
in twenty twenty eight. And I know many of you,
myself included, are saying, please please let her run again.
(31:36):
Maybe she's gonna run for governor. Now she would win governor.
It seems like she would basically clear out all the
challengers and then that would give her the platform to
be able to run again. But this is what we
are not going to be hearing a lot of come January,
thanks to Trump's big win. But this was Kamala yesterday
talking to the DNC. Listen to cut ten.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Our spirit is not defeated.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
We are not defeated. Let's be clear about that.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
We are strong, we are clear about why we are
in this.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
You're willing to put in the hard work, and that
work must continue.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But the spirit's pretty defeated, Let's be honest. She sounds
like the drum. Somebody made the analogy that Kamala Harris
sounds like the drunk chick waiting in line at the
bathroom trying to talk to another woman and tell her
why she's so much better than the boy she's with
or whatever else, and I can't every time she talks. Now,
I think she is the drunk chick at the bar
(32:38):
trying to have a conversation with someone while you're on
the way to the bathroom. That is Kamala Harris. And
I hope she stays in the political arena.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Because she's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I can't imagine her winning anything outside the state of California.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I really can't
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