January 8, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Karol and Lisa Boothe explore themes of personal growth, political engagement, and the impact of COVID-19 on societal perspectives. They reflect on their past experiences, the importance of taking risks, and how their views have evolved over time. Lisa shares her journey from a political science major to a Fox News contributor, discussing the challenges and rewards of her career. The Karol Markowicz Show is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Wednesday & Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
It's so nice to be back with you all. Happy
New Year. The most asked question in my emails and
dms over the last few weeks has been how did
you do with your fiction reading New Year's Resolution from
last year? Poorly? Friends, I did poorly. I completed only
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nine fiction books and many many half books. I just
I can't finish books that I don't like it. I
wish I could, I just can't do it. My favorite
fiction book that I read in the last year was
City of Thieves. I think I mentioned it maybe shortly
after I read it at the beginning of the year,
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and then the rest were just okay, not really worth
mentioning and not that recommendable. But City of Thieves very good.
Check it out. I already finished a book this year's
pretty good. It's called The Midnight Library by Matt Haig.
I picked it up on a whim and tore through
it on just two flights. To be fair, those flights
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did not have internet. Maybe that's what I need. I
need for flights to stop having internet on board so
I'll actually read the books that I carry with me.
Midnight Library is about a woman about to kill herself
who gets the option to go and live a lot
of different versions of her life to see which she
likes best.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It was good. I mean again, I can't say it
was like the greatest book ever, but I enjoyed it
for what it was. I also guessed the ending pretty
early on, but my daughter says, I'm annoying like that,
and I really can't hold it against the book. Now
I'm reading Submission by I'm going to butcher this French name,
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but Michelle Wellbach, and it's very good. It's one of
those books that had been recommended to me many times
over the years, and I'm finally getting around to it.
And to be honest, I didn't realize it was fiction,
or I would have read it much sooner. I read
so much nonfiction already that I just didn't want to
add another nonfiction book to the pile. Why do I
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talk so much about reading and why that's important to me.
I used to be a major reader. I used to
read all the time, NonStop, and it got harder and
harder as I got older to read for fun. I
blame my children. Okay, I actually blame my husband because
it started happening shortly after we got married. But it's
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probably most blamed on the attention span that I lose
bit by bit by being on the internet so much
so my two things often go hand in hand. Less
internet more reading. The other part is one of the
questions I ask my guests is what do you worry about? Well,
I worry when I'm reading fiction. It's like you lose
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yourself in another world and then you come up for
air and your own and that just fills me with possibility.
I feel very motivated after I read fiction. So I'm
going to repeat the challenge this year and try to
read more fiction. Please join me. I'd love to hear
what books you're reading, and if you want to send
in your suggestions or tell me anything else, drop me
(03:25):
a line at Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com.
Coming up my interview with Lisa Booth. But first, the
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That's one word, support IFCJ dot org. Hi, and welcome
back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
(04:51):
today is Lisa Booth. Lisa is a Fox News contributor,
host of The Truth with Lisa Booth and one of
my all time, very best friends and just all around
favorite people. Ailita.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Hey, Carol, I love you, I love you. I'm so excited.
I know Mike, what are you gonna ask?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Mate? I can't believe it's taken this long, but I
wanted you to be my first interview of twenty twenty five.
Happy New Year, by the way.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You zero, Yeah, we're in twenty twenty four. Actually I'm
okay with saying goodbye to twenty twenty four. Right, So
we've got Trump and office, all jades, things ahead, hopefully
fingers crossed, so god willing.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
There's absolutely been a vibe shift. I feel like everybody's
so optimistic heading into this year, and yeah, why not?
And we're going to see a lot of each other,
so really can't get better than that?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well? Absolutely, I always love hanging out with you. We
have the best. We have too much fun.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Seems Oh, we're not gonna remember we're not going to
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay, fine, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I remember
what I made you take it to quila show.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, I do remember that. I had like a four
am flight the next day, or I had to be
get up at four am and Lisa comes back from
the bar with a tray of shots for everybody, and
you just knew that that morning the next day was
it was gonna hurt a little, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It was although I'm on a no drinking kick right now,
so we'll not how long this can go.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So how's that going.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's great, honestly, you know, it's like I've never had
a problem. Just for the record, right, but just to
get that out of the way. But you know, it's
like even when you get older.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like even two glasses of wine, you know, you feel
like crap the next day and you wake up and
you're groggy, and I've just been so busy lately that
I'm like, you know what, and I'm trying to get
in like really good shape, and so I'm just like,
you know what, I don't need to I don't need
to have like my time and my ability to get
things done diminished by being hungover, even in the slightest
And so you know, I'm just gonna maybe see if
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i can go thirty days and then see what else.
And just I've been waking up refreshed and super productive.
We share a producer, John. He's he could probably tell
you that He's like, maybe you should go back to
having a couple, you know, because I'm like, let's do this,
let's do that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Thing, you know, So he's like, enough enough of this, Yeah,
please stop. It's funny. I make the joke on here
a lot that I try to drink more because I
just don't feel like I drink anywhere near enough. Like
I have a humongous barre at home with all these
different kinds of like cool alcohol, and I love whiskey.
I'm you know, really into like rise and bourbons, but
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I just never remember to drink. So I'm always like,
I drink more. But I get you where I can
have more than two, absolutely not more than two, and
the night is ruined. The next day is ruined if
you do hit a certain age where where two is
the limit. But I want to hear how this goes,
you know, I want to hear how all this turns out.
I'm rooting for you, except for the nights when we're together,
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in which case I'm going to be a really bad influence.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I know. I feel, well, that's so fun. I don't
need to Yeah, Like I am very fun, right, so
I don't be drinking to be fun you really sadly way, Yeah,
it'll be funny if we do another interview and we're
like sport. Remember when I told you you were still
fun without it, I was a lie.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, you're definitely still fun without it. I have seen
you not during this time, not drinking, and yeah, you've
been awesome means so much fun. You're still a bad
influence on the rest of us, exactly, exactly. So I
find you to be just fascinating and super smart but
also super wise. And this show is about, you know,
living better and all of that. So I want to
(08:24):
get into what would you say to like, what advice
would you give to the Lisa Booth of sixteen years old?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So actually, I would give myself the advice of being
nicer to my parents and treating them with more respect,
because I think it's one of those things that you
know obviously when you well, look, I was. I was
a tough child to raise. I've always been extremely independent,
you know, I have a lot of opinions, obviously, hence
working in this industry.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And so I was stubborn, right. I was always loving.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And I always loved my parents, but you know, I
was challenging, right, And so as you get older, you
just you appreciate your parents more and you realize everything
they've done for you. And so I wish I could
go back because it eats like you, we don't know
how much time, but God's going to give us or
parents and the people we love, and so I wish
I could go back and just always treat them with
the utmost respect and.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Because they deserve that, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm sure, if you know, hopefully God willing, when
I have kids, I'm probably going to get it from them.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So let me assure you you will.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, like God's probably going to be like you deserve
this one, Lise, like enjoy.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
No, but it's a good point. Look, I have my
mom staying with me right now. She's amazing, She does
tons of stuff for us, She's just awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But you know, there are.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Some challenges and challenges from from my side, and it
is a struggle sometimes to treat them the way that
they deserve to be treated. So I fully expect my
kids to behave the same way as me, though I
don't have any illusions that they're going to be better.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But can I say one thing that I really I've
always really admired about you because like I do adore you,
I love you like just such an amazing person.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're an incredible friend.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But like I feel like you've got it figured out,
you know, and it's hard. No, you do from an outsider,
I know you probably don't say that, right, no, but
it's like you love your kids and you're very present
for your kids. You love your husband. I've seen you
guys together, like there's so much love there. You have
a great marriage, and then you're also you know, kicking
butt in your career as well, and I feel like
it's very hard to like do all of those things
at once, and then you still, you know, go out
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occasionally and have a good time. So it's like I
feel like you've got like the recipe figured out, and
I'm like out there still buying ingredients.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
From like you've baked the cake and it's nice. I'm
totally you know.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I really appreciate that. I like to say, you know what,
people like, how do you do it? I do it poorly?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like I just don't. I know you probably feel that way,
but you don't.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Like from I see you know, I see you and
like the way you operate and like I admire that.
So it's I know it's not easy, but you're you're
very present and all the things that you're doing, and
I think, like that's not hard to do or that's
not easy to do.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Rather thank you, thank you. This is going to be
the Mutual Appreciation Society interview. Sure, I kind of felt
like this is how it was going to go. We'd
be like, I love you, No, I love you. Now
you're swa.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
People listening are gonna be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
My, these two hopefully they're still hungover from New Years exactly.
Did you always want to be on TV?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, I like it. It never even occurred to me
to be I just never even thought that. I don't know,
I really never even considered it. I didn't consider it
until so. I was always the political route. So I
was a political science major in college, went to work
on Capitol Hill when I graduated, you know, did that,
worked on campaigns, like did that whole thing. And I
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was working on a Senate race at the time, and
my boss was like, you're doing spin room after the debate,
and so the spin room for those listening if you're unaware,
basically afterwards, either the candidate or someone from the team,
the team goes out and like gives the hey, you know,
addresses the media and you know, to the effect of
being like we won because of X, Y and Z
and you know, you kind of go out and you
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make your declaration, you take questions from me. Yeah, and
so he was like, that's what you're doing tonight. And
I'm like, I have never been on TV, like I
don't know, you know, and he was like, it's not
a question, it's like a directive, like you're doing this,
and so I was like, oh man, So yeah, during
the debate, I'm like furiously taking notes and really just
trying to like pay attention to everything that was said.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I prepare like my remarks and what I was going
to go do.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And I went out there and like the this is
in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Press Corps.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
They're brutal, like they're very left wing. They hated my candidate.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So I go out there, I give my statement, I'm
taking the income, and I'm like, man, this is so
much fun. Like I freaking loved it. And then so
after that they're like, Okay, you're doing TV for the
rest of the campaign cycle because I guess they thought
I was good at it and I enjoyed it. And
so after that, I, you know, I went back to
Capitol Hill and I kind of had in the back
of my mind that this is something I'd like to
do at some point. And then, you know, fast forward,
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I found myself not working on Capitol Hill anymore and
was able to start doing it for the first time.
And then it's just like one thing led to another
and now I'm here. It was a lot of work,
don't get me wrong. Me Like I was paying to
take the bus up to New York to do shows
on my own dime when I wasn't making you know,
I wasn't making up with money. But and then that
just kind of kicked off something in me of being like, Wow,
(13:09):
there was something about this I just love.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Was it the arguing that you enjoyed?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Could that be it? Harol?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And no, one's uh, you know, I do enjoy you know,
like my mom.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
My mom always used to say, if I could, just
like harness that power for good, it would be very productive.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Like I remember, I, well, I don't know if I
should tell well, I asked her.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I was in I think I was like elementary school
or something, and I went to a private Christian school
at the time, and so this girl accused me of
stealing the communion and I did not, so I slapped
her because I'm like, how dare you you know I
did not do.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
This in the communion. She's lucky she got away with
just a slap.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah. So then I went to the principal's office and
he was like, you can't. You shouldn't be doing that.
You know, I can't remember. This is like forever ago,
but basically the gist of it, or at least what was,
you know, told to my mom and then now that
I know, because you know, you don't always remember everything
exactly from middle school, but I remember slapping her, but
and then going to the principal's office. But and then
he like basically he was like, you know, why did
you slapper? And I'm like, well, she's stealed. She accused
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me of stealing the communion and like what's worse slapping
someone or lying? And he was like who, like what,
like who are you? You know?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And then so I didn't end up lapping ma'am.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, and like but I really didn't end up getting
in trouble. He just like told my mom, and my
mom was like, why did you let her?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know what I like?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And so there's always like these situations where I was
able to kind of like, you know, your thing.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Have it yeah, talk my way out.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And my mom was just always like, we just need
to know harness this and focus this on goods.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, as long as she doesn't become like a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
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Speaker 2 (16:08):
What do you worry about? Everything?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think? You know?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Are you a worrier? Oh my god, Caro, What don't
I worry about?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Really?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You see so like optimistic I am, but I worry
about Like it's just my mind. I'm very like analytical.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm always thinking about things, a very hard time turning
my brain off, and so it's a challenge of mine.
That's something I've worked on as I've gotten older about,
you know, realizing that things are outside of our control
and just kind of like giving up to God and
letting go of things.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But it's not always easy, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Look, I was really worried about the direction of the
country before the election, like terrified. It was keeping me
up at night. I mean, heading into the election, I
couldn't sleep. I had so much anxiety and then you know,
now I obviously feel much better about that because we're
in good hands with President Trump. You know, I worry
personally about you know, with my career, I'm always asking myself,
am I doing enough? Should I be doing more? Am
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I far along as I should be? You don't have
a family yet, so I worry about am I going
to be able to do that?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Am I?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So? Yeah, So I worry about a lot of things.
I think it's sort of a you know, a little
bit of human nature to worry. How do you get
more of active mind?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
How do you talk yourself down on those ledges?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You know, honestly it's talking to my parents. My parents
are very good at kind of like, you know, sort
of rewinding those thoughts. And then also like exercising, going
for walks. You know, for me, I played sports my
whole entire life, so I'm like really into I've got
to work out, you know, so just going walks, clearing
my mind and just kind of realizing that, you know,
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we're we're not in control of everything, and uh, you know,
just accepting things as there are.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
What would you be.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Doing if you weren't doing this? Like, what would a
plan be for Lisa Boothby.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I mean, honest, I'd probably still be doing the whole
political thing. I've always just really loved politics. Like my
dad worked on Capitol Hill when I was growing up,
and he's always been kind of my I mean, I
adore my mom as well, and I admire them and
go to them for different parts of life, but in
terms of career, I've always really looked up to my dad,
and so he's always ask him questions about Capitol Hill
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and politics growing up, and he would never treat me
like a kid and just be like, oh, you know,
like you would have these conversations with me and inform me,
and like he's testified before before Congress, not for anything
bad as a as a policy you know, as a
policy expert, and so I would go with him, you know.
So I just kind of really had this like admiration
for politics, and so I'd probably still i don't know,
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maybe be on Capitol Hill, maybe you know, doing something
in politics, campaigns, you know, probably would have been working
on elections this past cycle.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
He's right of center.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, I've always been a Republican. I definitely have gotten
further to the right. I think there's been a cool thing. Yeah, right, exactly. Well,
it was Obama's time in office, and you know, seeing
the irs go after the tea party, and also sort
of being I was working at the nrc SEA during
the tea party as well, so sort of saying people
being like, you know what, like this is my government,
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you know, not the other way around, Like you work
for us, we don't work for you.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And then obviously Cavanaugh was a big.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Part as well of just seeing the smearing of this
innocent man, what they did to Trump in twenty sixteen,
and then just witnessing all the rest of it that
they've done to them. You know, they trying to throw
him in jail and you know, really weaponize the government
against him in a way that is and it's anesthetical
to like what we're supposed to be as America. So
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I've definitely gotten further to the right as I've gotten older.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Of those are radicalizing moments for me too.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Them COVID, Oh my god, I didn't even know there
was that.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, COVID you were actually we'll come back to meet
what radicalized me. But you were actually extremely outspoken on
COVID to the point where it harmed you a little
or you know, could have could have hurt your career.
But so why did you do it?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
No, it did. It did hurt my career because it
was wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And I'm a nerd, and you know, I was a
vice president appolling firm for a while, and so I'm
used to working with data, and so I started reading
things like doctor John E. Needes, He's a world renown
epidemiologist for Stanford. He wrote a column in stat News
after the fifteen days to slow the spread, and he
was looking I think it was the Diamond Princess cruise shrip,
and he was looking at that as like a case study,
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and his conclusion was that basically the COVID would end
up being roughly around the same fatality rate as the flu,
and that basically the reason the fatality rate was so
skewed is because we were only testing people who were
showing up at the hospital who were sick and dying,
and we were missing cases. And then like and then
you can go fast forward in April, and we had
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these antibody study tests from Santa or from Stanford, from
in Santa Clara, California, as well as in New York
and we were finding that we were missing cases by
like up to eighty sold, meaning that the fatality rate
was significant less. Or you could go to July of
twenty twenty one and there was an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts,
and seventy five percent of basic case.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
All like at the front of your note because you're like,
I'm not gonna forget this.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So I'm not gonna because we shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But then in seventy five percent of the cases and
that cluster were vaccinated. And then there was also a
study published in The Lancet basically saying the vaccines weren't
stopping in the thread of delta. So then the whole
purpose of getting vaccinated if you're young and healthy was
deemed irrelevant because it was a personal thing, not a
public thing, right, Like, you weren't protecting others if you
got vaccine, right.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So there's just these moments.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And then I became friends with all these people in
you know, these world were now and epidviologists and you know,
Martin kolderf and Jamadator like you know, you know, I
don't know if they call me a friend, but you know,
like they were giving me information and I was asking
questions and Martin McCarey and like all these people and
you know, and so I was learning from them, and
I felt that the truth needed to get out there.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And okay, so the truth of need is to get
out there. But it harmed you personally. Isn't there some
like line where you're like, I don't have I'm not
going to do this because I'm going to suffer.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And I remember having these conversations with my parents because
they were like, least you're really sticking your neck out there,
you know, you might get it chopped off.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And I was like, well, you know, then, so be it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Right. Like I was fully prepared when I moved down
to Florida that you know, I wouldn't be able to travel, right,
because there were talks about like not letting the unvaccinate
and fly, and so I was just like, all right, well,
I guess there's worse places to be hunkered down, and
you know, Lina.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Will just never leave Florida.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, And so I was fully prepared, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And then there was a moment too, like I think
Amicron really deprogrammed people, because up until that point, like
people were radical with it. And then I think omicron
because it was so if everyone know it exactly that
even the people who were like, oh you're dirty, something's
wrong with you if you get COVID, they got it
and they're like, oh, it's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, I remember this ADA clearly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And once they had it, they were like, oh, this
is nothing, like really it's nothing. Yes, that's what we've
been saying exactly. But it took that. It took that.
It took them getting it and seeing that it was
not a big deal in order for them to understand.
I just it's unfortunate that so many people couldn't. I've
never had COVID, not that I know of, and I
had my antibodies tested two different times, like after being sick,
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and I've never had it, so I understood that without
getting sick myself, like why couldn't they make that leap?
But but yeah, that was a very radicalizing time and
I don't think we're going to allow the same kind
of thing to go down in the same way again.
But I always worry that we're not seeing like what
the future problem will be and we're going to just
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you know, follow it the same way. But I do
like that we've kind of woken up as a country
somewhat and all the radicalizing things that you've talked about.
I think that they moved a lot of people like
them searching more A lago was for me this moment
of like, wow, they have stepped over the line. And
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I've seen not very political people make that same comment,
like that was a line for them. They searched this
man's home, they were in you know, Malania's shoe closet.
That is beyond well.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, and I think you know with Ray, Christopher Ray
stepping down, you know, you have that letter from Senator
Chuck Grassley, who's going to be the incoming Senate Judiciary chairman,
and like he's not a hyperbolic guy, right, like I've
had him on my podcast. He's very mild mannered. He's statesman.
And he outlined in the eleven pages of all the
egregious examples of why Christopher Ray needed to leave and
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why he had no confidence in him. And that was
one of the reasons listed was the unprecedented rate against
Donald Trump with thirty armed FBI agents with essentially, you know,
authorized to use lethal force if needed. And then they
didn't do that with Hillary Clinton, who mishandled classified information
or Joe Biden. But they did do that with Donald Trump.
So again, you know, continuously on the receiving end of
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you know, the weapon is a of government that he's
been on.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Do you have a like earlier radicalizing moment, because like
mine was, for example, election two thousand, it was the
first moment I was like, wait, the Democrats are trying
to steal this selection. And I was like, oh I
I mean I was always right of center, but I
was like, I want to be more involved in this,
Like they're absolutely trying to steal the selection, and I
want to be more into this.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Probably when I realized Sannah isn't real.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Was that like last year or it's like I'm like
an original like Santa Truther, Like I I was the
kid that uh I think I was in kindergarten and
I didn't look with the whole Santa thing just didn't
really make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And I'm like, wait, you rooted for the other kids.
I did, but I didn't mean too. I thought I
was doing them right.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
But and so I like, my you know, when you
hear the story, I'm like none of this checks out right,
Like so this guy flies here from the.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know, like, I'm like, he gets downe just me.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It wasn't that story.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
How does he get it done? Every night? House?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
After how I'm like none of this around the world
and like none of this makes sense. And so I
like stayed up all night and I'm like, I wonder
what I'm going to see, and so I wanted to
like catch you know whatever. And so I saw my
parents wrapping presents and putting under the Christmas tree. And
then I confronted my mom about it the next day
and like asked her a bunch of questions, and she
didn't want to lie to me because she felt like,
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obviously as a parent, it's the beauty to be honest.
So she told me the truth. And then I went
to school and I was like, you guys, we've been
lied to. Wow, her parents are lying to us, Like
the jig is up. Everyone needs to know. And then
my mom got a lot of really angry.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Phone calls from there. It's being like, what is wrong
with your kid?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You know, Jews are instructed by their parents not to
ruin it or not for the Christian kids, like the.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Guys they were wise enough or not.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
And then me totally Santa, Yes, and you were like,
I've done the research, moked into the evidence, and guys,
I have some news.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I'm like you, guys, we've been lied to and U
you need to know spread the word.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, I'm sure your parents enjoyed that very much, for.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm telling you this is why I try to do
everything I can to help my parents out now, because
I'm like it aft even.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Sorry I got Santa thing, yes exactly, well lives along
the lust.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, I have obviously loved this conversation. I love all
of our conversations. I think that we should just do
this over tequila next time if you're you know, in
a mood for that. But and us here with your
best Lisa Booth tip for my listeners on how they
can live better lives.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I would say take risks. And I realized that
it's more difficult for some. You know, obviously, if you
have a family of mouths to feed, uh, you know,
that's what makes things a little bit more difficult. So
I'm understanding of that. But I think taking risk is
really important. Like I had interviewed for a job for
a Senate race, the one that actually ironically I did
TV for the first time, which led me down this career.
(27:52):
But I think I interviewed on like Wednesday, found out
I got the job on the Friday, and then I
had moved to Wisconsin on that Monday. And so in
the span of just a few days, I'd gotten a job,
interviewed for job, got it, and then moved to a
totally new state where I didn't know anyone, you know.
And so I think that just being able to take risk,
(28:12):
I think can kind of help because I think sometimes people,
you know, they want what's safe, and sometimes what is
safe I think can keep you from achieving everything you
are capable of.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think that stepping outside of that safety
is actually where the success happens. It's just hard to
do sometimes, but.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You don't want to be an idiot about it, like yeah,
it's like I know, I'm not you know, like I
thought I could sing when I was growing up, and
I asked my mom one day and she said, she said,
there were a lot of things I was good at
and singing was not one of them, and to focus
on these other things so that you know, you don't
want to be like an idiot, like I'm I'm not
going at your row.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You might be the same as singer, and then you
know that's within reason, right.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I don't know. I think if you try doing it
on the weekends and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think that I would probably have tomatoes thrown at me.
If that's still a thing.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I'll be there to defend you, so that's not going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You would take a tomato for me.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I would take a tomato for you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That as a friend, that really is.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Thank you so much for coming on. She is Lisa Booth.
You're on her show, The Truth with Lisa Booth.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Thank you so much, Lisa, I love you.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco
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Hi, and welcome back to Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
It's so nice to be back with you all. Happy
New Year. The most asked question in my emails and
dms over the last few weeks has been how did
you do with your fiction reading New Year's Resolution from
last year? Poorly? Friends, I did poorly. I completed only
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nine fiction books and many many half books. I just
I can't finish books that I don't like it. I
wish I could, I just can't do it. My favorite
fiction book that I read in the last year was
City of Thieves. I think I mentioned it maybe shortly
after I read it at the beginning of the year,
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and then the rest were just okay, not really worth
mentioning and not that recommendable. But City of Thieves very good.
Check it out. I already finished a book this year's
pretty good. It's called The Midnight Library by Matt Haig.
I picked it up on a whim and tore through
it on just two flights. To be fair, those flights
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did not have internet. Maybe that's what I need. I
need for flights to stop having internet on board so
I'll actually read the books that I carry with me.
Midnight Library is about a woman about to kill herself
who gets the option to go and live a lot
of different versions of her life to see which she
likes best.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It was good. I mean again, I can't say it
was like the greatest book ever, but I enjoyed it
for what it was. I also guessed the ending pretty
early on, but my daughter says, I'm annoying like that,
and I really can't hold it against the book. Now
I'm reading Submission by I'm going to butcher this French name,
(01:54):
but Michelle Wellbach, and it's very good. It's one of
those books that had been recommended to me many times
over the years, and I'm finally getting around to it.
And to be honest, I didn't realize it was fiction,
or I would have read it much sooner. I read
so much nonfiction already that I just didn't want to
add another nonfiction book to the pile. Why do I
(02:16):
talk so much about reading and why that's important to me.
I used to be a major reader. I used to
read all the time, NonStop, and it got harder and
harder as I got older to read for fun. I
blame my children. Okay, I actually blame my husband because
it started happening shortly after we got married. But it's
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probably most blamed on the attention span that I lose
bit by bit by being on the internet so much
so my two things often go hand in hand. Less
internet more reading. The other part is one of the
questions I ask my guests is what do you worry about? Well,
I worry when I'm reading fiction. It's like you lose
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yourself in another world and then you come up for
air and your own and that just fills me with possibility.
I feel very motivated after I read fiction. So I'm
going to repeat the challenge this year and try to
read more fiction. Please join me. I'd love to hear
what books you're reading, and if you want to send
in your suggestions or tell me anything else, drop me
(03:25):
a line at Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com.
Coming up my interview with Lisa Booth. But first, the
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back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest
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today is Lisa Booth. Lisa is a Fox News contributor,
host of The Truth with Lisa Booth and one of
my all time, very best friends and just all around
favorite people. Ailita.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Hey, Carol, I love you, I love you. I'm so excited.
I know Mike, what are you gonna ask?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Mate? I can't believe it's taken this long, but I
wanted you to be my first interview of twenty twenty five.
Happy New Year, by the way.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You zero, Yeah, we're in twenty twenty four. Actually I'm
okay with saying goodbye to twenty twenty four. Right, So
we've got Trump and office, all jades, things ahead, hopefully
fingers crossed, so god willing.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
There's absolutely been a vibe shift. I feel like everybody's
so optimistic heading into this year, and yeah, why not?
And we're going to see a lot of each other,
so really can't get better than that?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well? Absolutely, I always love hanging out with you. We
have the best. We have too much fun.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Seems Oh, we're not gonna remember we're not going to
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay, fine, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I remember
what I made you take it to quila show.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, I do remember that. I had like a four
am flight the next day, or I had to be
get up at four am and Lisa comes back from
the bar with a tray of shots for everybody, and
you just knew that that morning the next day was
it was gonna hurt a little, but it was worth it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It was although I'm on a no drinking kick right now,
so we'll not how long this can go.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So how's that going.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's great, honestly, you know, it's like I've never had
a problem. Just for the record, right, but just to
get that out of the way. But you know, it's
like even when you get older.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like even two glasses of wine, you know, you feel
like crap the next day and you wake up and
you're groggy, and I've just been so busy lately that
I'm like, you know what, and I'm trying to get
in like really good shape, and so I'm just like,
you know what, I don't need to I don't need
to have like my time and my ability to get
things done diminished by being hungover, even in the slightest
And so you know, I'm just gonna maybe see if
(06:39):
i can go thirty days and then see what else.
And just I've been waking up refreshed and super productive.
We share a producer, John. He's he could probably tell
you that He's like, maybe you should go back to
having a couple, you know, because I'm like, let's do this,
let's do that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Thing, you know, So he's like, enough enough of this, Yeah,
please stop. It's funny. I make the joke on here
a lot that I try to drink more because I
just don't feel like I drink anywhere near enough. Like
I have a humongous barre at home with all these
different kinds of like cool alcohol, and I love whiskey.
I'm you know, really into like rise and bourbons, but
(07:16):
I just never remember to drink. So I'm always like,
I drink more. But I get you where I can
have more than two, absolutely not more than two, and
the night is ruined. The next day is ruined if
you do hit a certain age where where two is
the limit. But I want to hear how this goes,
you know, I want to hear how all this turns out.
I'm rooting for you, except for the nights when we're together,
(07:37):
in which case I'm going to be a really bad influence.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I know. I feel, well, that's so fun. I don't
need to Yeah, Like I am very fun, right, so
I don't be drinking to be fun you really sadly way, Yeah,
it'll be funny if we do another interview and we're
like sport. Remember when I told you you were still
fun without it, I was a lie.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, you're definitely still fun without it. I have seen
you not during this time, not drinking, and yeah, you've
been awesome means so much fun. You're still a bad
influence on the rest of us, exactly, exactly. So I
find you to be just fascinating and super smart but
also super wise. And this show is about, you know,
living better and all of that. So I want to
(08:24):
get into what would you say to like, what advice
would you give to the Lisa Booth of sixteen years old?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So actually, I would give myself the advice of being
nicer to my parents and treating them with more respect,
because I think it's one of those things that you
know obviously when you well, look, I was. I was
a tough child to raise. I've always been extremely independent,
you know, I have a lot of opinions, obviously, hence
working in this industry.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And so I was stubborn, right. I was always loving.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And I always loved my parents, but you know, I
was challenging, right, And so as you get older, you
just you appreciate your parents more and you realize everything
they've done for you. And so I wish I could
go back because it eats like you, we don't know
how much time, but God's going to give us or
parents and the people we love, and so I wish
I could go back and just always treat them with
the utmost respect and.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Because they deserve that, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm sure, if you know, hopefully God willing, when
I have kids, I'm probably going to get it from them.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So let me assure you you will.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, like God's probably going to be like you deserve
this one, Lise, like enjoy.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
No, but it's a good point. Look, I have my
mom staying with me right now. She's amazing, She does
tons of stuff for us, She's just awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But you know, there are.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Some challenges and challenges from from my side, and it
is a struggle sometimes to treat them the way that
they deserve to be treated. So I fully expect my
kids to behave the same way as me, though I
don't have any illusions that they're going to be better.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But can I say one thing that I really I've
always really admired about you because like I do adore you,
I love you like just such an amazing person.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're an incredible friend.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But like I feel like you've got it figured out,
you know, and it's hard. No, you do from an outsider,
I know you probably don't say that, right, no, but
it's like you love your kids and you're very present
for your kids. You love your husband. I've seen you
guys together, like there's so much love there. You have
a great marriage, and then you're also you know, kicking
butt in your career as well, and I feel like
it's very hard to like do all of those things
at once, and then you still, you know, go out
(10:23):
occasionally and have a good time. So it's like I
feel like you've got like the recipe figured out, and
I'm like out there still buying ingredients.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
From like you've baked the cake and it's nice. I'm
totally you know.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I really appreciate that. I like to say, you know what,
people like, how do you do it? I do it poorly?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Like I just don't. I know you probably feel that way,
but you don't.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Like from I see you know, I see you and
like the way you operate and like I admire that.
So it's I know it's not easy, but you're you're
very present and all the things that you're doing, and
I think, like that's not hard to do or that's
not easy to do.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Rather thank you, thank you. This is going to be
the Mutual Appreciation Society interview. Sure, I kind of felt
like this is how it was going to go. We'd
be like, I love you, No, I love you. Now
you're swa.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
People listening are gonna be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
My, these two hopefully they're still hungover from New Years exactly.
Did you always want to be on TV?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, I like it. It never even occurred to me
to be I just never even thought that. I don't know,
I really never even considered it. I didn't consider it
until so. I was always the political route. So I
was a political science major in college, went to work
on Capitol Hill when I graduated, you know, did that,
worked on campaigns, like did that whole thing. And I
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was working on a Senate race at the time, and
my boss was like, you're doing spin room after the debate,
and so the spin room for those listening if you're unaware,
basically afterwards, either the candidate or someone from the team,
the team goes out and like gives the hey, you know,
addresses the media and you know, to the effect of
being like we won because of X, Y and Z
and you know, you kind of go out and you
(11:57):
make your declaration, you take questions from me. Yeah, and
so he was like, that's what you're doing tonight. And
I'm like, I have never been on TV, like I
don't know, you know, and he was like, it's not
a question, it's like a directive, like you're doing this,
and so I was like, oh man, So yeah, during
the debate, I'm like furiously taking notes and really just
trying to like pay attention to everything that was said.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I prepare like my remarks and what I was going
to go do.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And I went out there and like the this is
in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Press Corps.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
They're brutal, like they're very left wing. They hated my candidate.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So I go out there, I give my statement, I'm
taking the income, and I'm like, man, this is so
much fun. Like I freaking loved it. And then so
after that they're like, Okay, you're doing TV for the
rest of the campaign cycle because I guess they thought
I was good at it and I enjoyed it. And
so after that, I, you know, I went back to
Capitol Hill and I kind of had in the back
of my mind that this is something I'd like to
do at some point. And then, you know, fast forward,
(12:48):
I found myself not working on Capitol Hill anymore and
was able to start doing it for the first time.
And then it's just like one thing led to another
and now I'm here. It was a lot of work,
don't get me wrong. Me Like I was paying to
take the bus up to New York to do shows
on my own dime when I wasn't making you know,
I wasn't making up with money. But and then that
just kind of kicked off something in me of being like, Wow,
(13:09):
there was something about this I just love.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Was it the arguing that you enjoyed?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Could that be it? Harol?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And no, one's uh, you know, I do enjoy you know,
like my mom.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
My mom always used to say, if I could, just
like harness that power for good, it would be very productive.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Like I remember, I, well, I don't know if I
should tell well, I asked her.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I was in I think I was like elementary school
or something, and I went to a private Christian school
at the time, and so this girl accused me of
stealing the communion and I did not, so I slapped
her because I'm like, how dare you you know I
did not do.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
This in the communion. She's lucky she got away with
just a slap.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah. So then I went to the principal's office and
he was like, you can't. You shouldn't be doing that.
You know, I can't remember. This is like forever ago,
but basically the gist of it, or at least what was,
you know, told to my mom and then now that
I know, because you know, you don't always remember everything
exactly from middle school, but I remember slapping her, but
and then going to the principal's office. But and then
he like basically he was like, you know, why did
you slapper? And I'm like, well, she's stealed. She accused
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me of stealing the communion and like what's worse slapping
someone or lying? And he was like who, like what,
like who are you? You know?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And then so I didn't end up lapping ma'am.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, and like but I really didn't end up getting
in trouble. He just like told my mom, and my
mom was like, why did you let her?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know what I like?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And so there's always like these situations where I was
able to kind of like, you know, your thing.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Have it yeah, talk my way out.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And my mom was just always like, we just need
to know harness this and focus this on goods.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, as long as she doesn't become like a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
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Speaker 2 (16:08):
What do you worry about? Everything?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think? You know?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Are you a worrier? Oh my god, Caro, What don't
I worry about?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Really?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You see so like optimistic I am, but I worry
about Like it's just my mind. I'm very like analytical.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm always thinking about things, a very hard time turning
my brain off, and so it's a challenge of mine.
That's something I've worked on as I've gotten older about,
you know, realizing that things are outside of our control
and just kind of like giving up to God and
letting go of things.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But it's not always easy, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Look, I was really worried about the direction of the
country before the election, like terrified. It was keeping me
up at night. I mean, heading into the election, I
couldn't sleep. I had so much anxiety and then you know,
now I obviously feel much better about that because we're
in good hands with President Trump. You know, I worry
personally about you know, with my career, I'm always asking myself,
am I doing enough? Should I be doing more? Am
(16:58):
I far along as I should be? You don't have
a family yet, so I worry about am I going
to be able to do that?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Am I?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You know?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So? Yeah, So I worry about a lot of things.
I think it's sort of a you know, a little
bit of human nature to worry. How do you get
more of active mind?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
How do you talk yourself down on those ledges?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You know, honestly it's talking to my parents. My parents
are very good at kind of like, you know, sort
of rewinding those thoughts. And then also like exercising, going
for walks. You know, for me, I played sports my
whole entire life, so I'm like really into I've got
to work out, you know, so just going walks, clearing
my mind and just kind of realizing that, you know,
(17:37):
we're we're not in control of everything, and uh, you know,
just accepting things as there are.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
What would you be.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Doing if you weren't doing this? Like, what would a
plan be for Lisa Boothby.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I mean, honest, I'd probably still be doing the whole
political thing. I've always just really loved politics. Like my
dad worked on Capitol Hill when I was growing up,
and he's always been kind of my I mean, I
adore my mom as well, and I admire them and
go to them for different parts of life, but in
terms of career, I've always really looked up to my dad,
and so he's always ask him questions about Capitol Hill
(18:11):
and politics growing up, and he would never treat me
like a kid and just be like, oh, you know,
like you would have these conversations with me and inform me,
and like he's testified before before Congress, not for anything
bad as a as a policy you know, as a
policy expert, and so I would go with him, you know.
So I just kind of really had this like admiration
for politics, and so I'd probably still i don't know,
(18:33):
maybe be on Capitol Hill, maybe you know, doing something
in politics, campaigns, you know, probably would have been working
on elections this past cycle.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
He's right of center.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, I've always been a Republican. I definitely have gotten
further to the right. I think there's been a cool thing. Yeah, right, exactly. Well,
it was Obama's time in office, and you know, seeing
the irs go after the tea party, and also sort
of being I was working at the nrc SEA during
the tea party as well, so sort of saying people
being like, you know what, like this is my government,
(19:07):
you know, not the other way around, Like you work
for us, we don't work for you.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
And then obviously Cavanaugh was a big.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Part as well of just seeing the smearing of this
innocent man, what they did to Trump in twenty sixteen,
and then just witnessing all the rest of it that
they've done to them. You know, they trying to throw
him in jail and you know, really weaponize the government
against him in a way that is and it's anesthetical
to like what we're supposed to be as America. So
(19:36):
I've definitely gotten further to the right as I've gotten older.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Of those are radicalizing moments for me too.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Them COVID, Oh my god, I didn't even know there
was that.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, COVID you were actually we'll come back to meet
what radicalized me. But you were actually extremely outspoken on
COVID to the point where it harmed you a little
or you know, could have could have hurt your career.
But so why did you do it?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
No, it did. It did hurt my career because it
was wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And I'm a nerd, and you know, I was a
vice president appolling firm for a while, and so I'm
used to working with data, and so I started reading
things like doctor John E. Needes, He's a world renown
epidemiologist for Stanford. He wrote a column in stat News
after the fifteen days to slow the spread, and he
was looking I think it was the Diamond Princess cruise shrip,
and he was looking at that as like a case study,
(20:31):
and his conclusion was that basically the COVID would end
up being roughly around the same fatality rate as the flu,
and that basically the reason the fatality rate was so
skewed is because we were only testing people who were
showing up at the hospital who were sick and dying,
and we were missing cases. And then like and then
you can go fast forward in April, and we had
(20:53):
these antibody study tests from Santa or from Stanford, from
in Santa Clara, California, as well as in New York
and we were finding that we were missing cases by
like up to eighty sold, meaning that the fatality rate
was significant less. Or you could go to July of
twenty twenty one and there was an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts,
and seventy five percent of basic case.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
All like at the front of your note because you're like,
I'm not gonna forget this.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So I'm not gonna because we shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But then in seventy five percent of the cases and
that cluster were vaccinated. And then there was also a
study published in The Lancet basically saying the vaccines weren't
stopping in the thread of delta. So then the whole
purpose of getting vaccinated if you're young and healthy was
deemed irrelevant because it was a personal thing, not a
public thing, right, Like, you weren't protecting others if you
got vaccine, right.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So there's just these moments.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And then I became friends with all these people in
you know, these world were now and epidviologists and you know,
Martin kolderf and Jamadator like you know, you know, I
don't know if they call me a friend, but you know,
like they were giving me information and I was asking
questions and Martin McCarey and like all these people and
you know, and so I was learning from them, and
I felt that the truth needed to get out there.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And okay, so the truth of need is to get
out there. But it harmed you personally. Isn't there some
like line where you're like, I don't have I'm not
going to do this because I'm going to suffer.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And I remember having these conversations with my parents because
they were like, least you're really sticking your neck out there,
you know, you might get it chopped off.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And I was like, well, you know, then, so be it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Right. Like I was fully prepared when I moved down
to Florida that you know, I wouldn't be able to travel, right,
because there were talks about like not letting the unvaccinate
and fly, and so I was just like, all right, well,
I guess there's worse places to be hunkered down, and
you know, Lina.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Will just never leave Florida.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, And so I was fully prepared, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And then there was a moment too, like I think
Amicron really deprogrammed people, because up until that point, like
people were radical with it. And then I think omicron
because it was so if everyone know it exactly that
even the people who were like, oh you're dirty, something's
wrong with you if you get COVID, they got it
and they're like, oh, it's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, I remember this ADA clearly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And once they had it, they were like, oh, this
is nothing, like really it's nothing. Yes, that's what we've
been saying exactly. But it took that. It took that.
It took them getting it and seeing that it was
not a big deal in order for them to understand.
I just it's unfortunate that so many people couldn't. I've
never had COVID, not that I know of, and I
had my antibodies tested two different times, like after being sick,
(23:19):
and I've never had it, so I understood that without
getting sick myself, like why couldn't they make that leap?
But but yeah, that was a very radicalizing time and
I don't think we're going to allow the same kind
of thing to go down in the same way again.
But I always worry that we're not seeing like what
the future problem will be and we're going to just
(23:40):
you know, follow it the same way. But I do
like that we've kind of woken up as a country
somewhat and all the radicalizing things that you've talked about.
I think that they moved a lot of people like
them searching more A lago was for me this moment
of like, wow, they have stepped over the line. And
(24:00):
I've seen not very political people make that same comment,
like that was a line for them. They searched this
man's home, they were in you know, Malania's shoe closet.
That is beyond well.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, and I think you know with Ray, Christopher Ray
stepping down, you know, you have that letter from Senator
Chuck Grassley, who's going to be the incoming Senate Judiciary chairman,
and like he's not a hyperbolic guy, right, like I've
had him on my podcast. He's very mild mannered. He's statesman.
And he outlined in the eleven pages of all the
egregious examples of why Christopher Ray needed to leave and
(24:35):
why he had no confidence in him. And that was
one of the reasons listed was the unprecedented rate against
Donald Trump with thirty armed FBI agents with essentially, you know,
authorized to use lethal force if needed. And then they
didn't do that with Hillary Clinton, who mishandled classified information
or Joe Biden. But they did do that with Donald Trump.
So again, you know, continuously on the receiving end of
(24:59):
you know, the weapon is a of government that he's
been on.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Do you have a like earlier radicalizing moment, because like
mine was, for example, election two thousand, it was the
first moment I was like, wait, the Democrats are trying
to steal this selection. And I was like, oh I
I mean I was always right of center, but I
was like, I want to be more involved in this,
Like they're absolutely trying to steal the selection, and I
want to be more into this.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Probably when I realized Sannah isn't real.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Was that like last year or it's like I'm like
an original like Santa Truther, Like I I was the
kid that uh I think I was in kindergarten and
I didn't look with the whole Santa thing just didn't
really make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And I'm like, wait, you rooted for the other kids.
I did, but I didn't mean too. I thought I
was doing them right.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
But and so I like, my you know, when you
hear the story, I'm like none of this checks out right,
Like so this guy flies here from the.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know, like, I'm like, he gets downe just me.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It wasn't that story.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
How does he get it done? Every night? House?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
After how I'm like none of this around the world
and like none of this makes sense. And so I
like stayed up all night and I'm like, I wonder
what I'm going to see, and so I wanted to
like catch you know whatever. And so I saw my
parents wrapping presents and putting under the Christmas tree. And
then I confronted my mom about it the next day
and like asked her a bunch of questions, and she
didn't want to lie to me because she felt like,
(26:15):
obviously as a parent, it's the beauty to be honest.
So she told me the truth. And then I went
to school and I was like, you guys, we've been
lied to. Wow, her parents are lying to us, Like
the jig is up. Everyone needs to know. And then
my mom got a lot of really angry.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Phone calls from there. It's being like, what is wrong
with your kid?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You know, Jews are instructed by their parents not to
ruin it or not for the Christian kids, like the.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Guys they were wise enough or not.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
And then me totally Santa, Yes, and you were like,
I've done the research, moked into the evidence, and guys,
I have some news.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I'm like you, guys, we've been lied to and U
you need to know spread the word.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, I'm sure your parents enjoyed that very much, for.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I'm telling you this is why I try to do
everything I can to help my parents out now, because
I'm like it aft even.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Sorry I got Santa thing, yes exactly, well lives along
the lust.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, I have obviously loved this conversation. I love all
of our conversations. I think that we should just do
this over tequila next time if you're you know, in
a mood for that. But and us here with your
best Lisa Booth tip for my listeners on how they
can live better lives.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I would say take risks. And I realized that
it's more difficult for some. You know, obviously, if you
have a family of mouths to feed, uh, you know,
that's what makes things a little bit more difficult. So
I'm understanding of that. But I think taking risk is
really important. Like I had interviewed for a job for
a Senate race, the one that actually ironically I did
TV for the first time, which led me down this career.
(27:52):
But I think I interviewed on like Wednesday, found out
I got the job on the Friday, and then I
had moved to Wisconsin on that Monday. And so in
the span of just a few days, I'd gotten a job,
interviewed for job, got it, and then moved to a
totally new state where I didn't know anyone, you know.
And so I think that just being able to take risk,
(28:12):
I think can kind of help because I think sometimes people,
you know, they want what's safe, and sometimes what is
safe I think can keep you from achieving everything you
are capable of.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think that stepping outside of that safety
is actually where the success happens. It's just hard to
do sometimes, but.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You don't want to be an idiot about it, like yeah,
it's like I know, I'm not you know, like I
thought I could sing when I was growing up, and
I asked my mom one day and she said, she said,
there were a lot of things I was good at
and singing was not one of them, and to focus
on these other things so that you know, you don't
want to be like an idiot, like I'm I'm not
going at your row.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You might be the same as singer, and then you
know that's within reason, right.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I don't know. I think if you try doing it
on the weekends and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I think that I would probably have tomatoes thrown at me.
If that's still a thing.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I'll be there to defend you, so that's not going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You would take a tomato for me.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I would take a tomato for you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That as a friend, that really is.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Thank you so much for coming on. She is Lisa Booth.
You're on her show, The Truth with Lisa Booth.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Thank you so much, Lisa, I love you.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco
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