January 16, 2025 • 58 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome In Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show, Can
we start the count now? I think we barely can
for long days until Joe Biden is a distant memory
of the nation. We will discuss right off the top
here in a moment his farewell address, which was basically
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just a hectoring old man screams at the clouds while
mangling a large percentage of the words that were written
on his screen and being almost incapable of communication. Also,
there are a bunch of other things that are out there,
the ongoing confirmation hearings of the Trump team, which I
(00:45):
would describe honestly as a home run. I mean, the
Democrat attempt to levy some blame has just completely failed.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We've got all.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sorts of continued fallout out from what we hope is
going to be a lasting cease fire that gets the
hostages back healthy, and israel An argument over who exactly
deserves the credit for all of that.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What is Biden's legacy.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
There is now talk of what exactly will happen with that,
and many different aspects associated with that. But I would
start with this, Buck, I watched Joe Biden's farewell address
to the nation, and it was awful.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean truly awful.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It started with a strange metaphor about the statue of
Liberty and how it can move in the wind and
yet it does not fall. I don't know who thought
that that was poetic and that that was something that
should be should be defined, and that it was going
to somehow resonate through history. It feels to me like
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every time Biden is trying to speak to history, and
I know that he has had, unfortunately for him, historians
advising him. Which I know we've said this on the show,
but let's just hammer this home. Historians should never advise you,
because historians are good at telling you one hundred years
after something happened why it mattered, not in contextualizing the
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modern era. And in fact, much of the historical analogies
that Biden has drawn, for instance, January sixth, worst day
since the Civil War, you're either on the side of
Jefferson Davis or you're on the side of truth and justice.
And when he talked about the Georgia voting rights bills,
he's really just totally maladroit when it comes to making
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even somewhat resonant historical analogies. And I thought that continued
with his speech, which just felt like the old man
yells at the clouds Simpsons me to me, I want
to play a couple of these cuts in the event,
because I bet most people out there did not watch this.
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We should also mention, by the way, Ashley Moody, who
I believe was the Florida Attorney General, is now going
to replace Marco Rubio in the Senate. That is the
announcement of Ron DeSantis. She was a top DeSantis ally.
I think that is a very solid choice.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
She is now one of your senators. We'll talk about that.
But Biden, I think this is important to remember. Joe
Biden pardoned his own son despite the fact that his
own son committed a bevy of felonies, and he tried
to imprison his chief political rival. And just last week
or ten days ago, he gave George Soros a presidential
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Medal of honor. And yet he's telling us and oligarchy
is taking shape in America. Yeah, you have been rewarding
your rich political allies for four years, much to the
detriment of America.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Listen to cut eight.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I want to warran a country. Some things they've given
me great concern. This is a dangerous concert and that's
the dangerous conversation of power in the hands of a
very few ultrawealthy people, the dangerous consequences if their abusive
power is left unchecked. Today oligarch is taking shape in
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America of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens
our entire democracy. Are basic rights and freedoms and a
fair shot for everyone to get ahead.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay, I mean this is lunacy.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So does George Soros go on the bad list or
the good list of the arks? Does ried Hoffman of LinkedIn?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Does Jeff Bezos until about five minutes ago. I mean,
think about their billionaires are humanitarians? Who are you know,
writing huge checks to save democracy or whatever. Any billionaire
that is right of center is an oligarch, is a threat.
It's a illusion and it's also delusional because the election
showed us very clearly the Democrats are overwhelmingly the party
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of the rich in this country. Now, they still cling
to this fiction that the Republicans are like the Wall
Street fat cats jumping on cigars and the Old Boys Club.
That is laughable. Silicon Valley hedge fund bros. People that
have billions, hundreds of millions, or billions of dollars of
personal wealth are disproportionately Democrat industries that generate massive amounts
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of money for the individuals, and the companies involved disproportionately
massively donate to Democrats. By the way, this stretches back
even to Hillary and Obama. This has been going on
for a long time. The notion that the billionaire oligarchs
are all right wing or some right wing specific threat
is a fantasy that Democrats tell themselves. The entire climate
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change movement is limousine liberals of old writing checks, and
sometimes it's the x y of very rich, you know,
tech guys writing big checks to these lunatic NGOs that
pretend like the world's gonna melt. I mean, but first
of all, Biden didn't even care what was in this speech.
I think that he's just gonna read whatever's put in
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front of him. At this point, he has no legacy
to speak of. The guys defeated. He's humiliated. It's the
you know, it's the end stage for his political career,
and obviously he's in the twilight of his year's period.
And the whole thing was just kind of sad. And
kind of pathetic. Honestly, that was my That was my takeaway.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, and building on what he said there, Remember Kamala
raised more money in a short period of time for
her presidential campaign than any candidate in the history. What
did she raise?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
One and a half billion dollars buck that she raised
basically in one hundred days. She wildly outspent and wildly
outspent Trump. So this idea that, oh, the Republican Party
is going to be a washing cash. Remember Trump was
outspent in sixteen, in twenty and in twenty four. I
know in sixteen and twenty four by massive amounts. I
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think twenty twenty was closer because he was the president
of the United States and was able to fundraise higher.
But money has actually been on the side of Democrats.
And you just hit on the other part which they
talk about all the time. Hey, we shouldn't politicize a crisis, right,
this is crazy. And then Biden comes out and says
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the threat of climate change from North Carolina to California,
directly calling in to account Hurricane Helene, which there are
still a lot of people in western North Carolina that
the government can't manage to take care of It's a
shame they're not in eastern Ukraine. I think they probably
would have a lot more help there. But listen to Biden.
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Try to tie what's happening right now with the wildfires
in California, which on this program we pointed out since
the moment that southern California was discovered by the Europeans,
there have been an average of four point five million
acres of that area consumed by wildfire every year. But
listen to Biden and try to make that case. Here's
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the farewell address.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The existential threat of climate change has never been clear.
Just look across the country from California to North Carolina.
That's why I sign the most significant climate and clean
energy law ever ever in the history of the world,
and the rest of the world trying to model it now.
The powerful forces want to wield their unchecked influence to
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eliminate too steps we've taken to tackle a climate crisis
to serve their own interest for power and profit. We
must not be bullied the sacrifice in the future, the
future of our children and our grandchildren, must keep pushing
forward and pushed faster.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
There's no time to waste. Just cut him off, Yeah,
it's enough, Clay.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
He cares about the existential threat of climate change with
the same authenticity that he cares about, you know, the
rights of trans adolescence. This is what the left wing
staffers put in front of him, and he reads it
because this is what the donors for the Democrats want
to hear from their puppet president in the last days.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Joe Biden doesn't give a crap about climate change. Have
you actually read?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And I'm embarrassed by how much time I spend on
this because I want to have good talking points. The
world warming would actually lead to less human death than
the world is right now, right more people die of it.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's all across like you know, northern England again, it
would be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean more people today, which no one will talk about.
They talk about the existential threat of climate change. More
people today by far die of extreme cold than extreme heat.
So if there is a warming of the of the
planet to the extent that it is occurring at all,
which has occurred through I mean, go look at the
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history of planet cycles, warn't and getting colder and all
these things happens constantly to the extent that it is happening.
First of all, the population is projected to collapse by
half in the next one hundred years, and nobody talks
about it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Human population, But that's math. That's actually just math.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yes, and that's actually way scarier if you want to
talk about the future of humanity. If you ask me
right now, hey, what are you scared about, Clay, one
hundred years from now, It's that nobody wants to have
kids anymore, and that the population around the world is collapsing,
And in fact, one hundred years from now, we may
have half as many people as exist now, which would
probably go a long way towards curing climate change. Unfortunately,
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it might lead to destruction of humanity. But the data
doesn't even support what he's saying, this existential crisis. And
there was one more thing that I wanted to hit
that I thought we could react to. Maybe we react
to it on the back side here buck. But it's
him saying this is radical. I'm surprised it's not getting
more attention. The Constitution needs to be amended, you know,
where he's just saying, hey, we need to make sure
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that the president is it is actually not immune from crimes. Well,
let's talk about this a little bit when we come back,
because it's so crazy Buck that he also, I think,
is his brain is broken.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It should be remembered that based on everything that.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
The Democrat Party and media one on the same has
said for eight years now, Joe Biden was swept aside
in a debate, didn't even make it to election day
as a sitting president against a fascist, criminal, lying insurrectionist,
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blah blah blah, all that stuff. What could be a
bigger What could be a bigger way to get dunked
on clay? Then to be pushed aside as a sitting
president by a guy that you claim is the first
felon president who tried to overthrow the government and is
a threat to democracy?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
What does that say about Joe Biden? You see what
happening here? I think on the flip side, too, what
does it say about Trump? He beat too. He talked
about that a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, but I mean even even still, I think it's
underrated that he knocked out Joe Biden on June twenty seventh,
in the panic, they suddenly decided, hey, we've got to
put forward a new person. And then Trump won the
biggest presidential election since nineteen eighty eight against her and
Buck as we go to break. Here another fun story
that's out there. Did you see The Wall Street Journal
(12:33):
had a story that Kamala is upset that Biden keeps
saying he would have beaten Trump and that their relationship
has become increasingly frosty.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
No, I want to talk, you know, I want to
talk about that. I'm still bitter, dude, world's most expensive
stake Joe Biden. Joe Biden cost me because did anybody
couldn't stick to it? Did anybody get Buck on Buck
Island and AI? I didn't see it. I want well
defined AI of Buck. Just views of Fuck Island as
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it's being overrun like Atlantis, all the AI of you
in a turtleneck with like a smoking jacket playing the flute.
Very distinguished clip, very distinguished.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I'm impressed.
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Speaker 4 (14:43):
We are still waiting to get more updates here on
the ceasefire. He's Net and Yahoo. The Prime Minister trying
to pull it all together here get this done. Also,
uh TikTok, the CEO of TikTok is going to be
attending Trump's inauguration. I think that Trump the showman has
(15:08):
something up his sleeve here, has some things in mind
that will keep TikTok online.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It was kind of sad.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I was looking at some TikTok yesterday and the people,
some of the content creators were.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Doing kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know I put this, They were doing like I'm sorry.
You know, you can have like Sarah McLaughlin music playing
in the background or something like. It's been great. You know,
I've enjoyed being a content creator for all of you.
It's very kind of bummed out watching this. It's like,
oh man, cause there, I've never seen this before. And
the whole history of Facebook, Facebook has never just said
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we're shutting down. Same thing with Instagram, same thing with
I mean even Twitter when it was acquired, never shut down.
And TikTok is supposed to go offline right now.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
On SUN.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I think it's going to be salvaged in some way.
I don't think it's actually going to go offline entirely.
We shall see. There's some very interesting possibilities there. But Clay,
it also makes me think about what a massive realignment
is occurring within the media right now. I think that
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the absolute worst point for press freedom and press honesty,
whether we're talking social media or the longstanding news entities
like The New York Times, CNN, etc. Was the Biden
era of COVID in particular. I think that's when things
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got completely out of control. And we've seen that. I mean,
we've seen this with the Twitter files. We've seen this
with the collusion with the government that occurred to have
the Biden administration shutting people down for things that were
not only were they not supposed to be shutting people down,
they were often shutting them down for things that were true. Right,
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So they were using the power of censorship to suppress truthful,
accurate information, which is even more totalitarian feeling. So that's
why it's interesting, Clay to me that we see the
Washington Post, which went full communists under Trump's time in
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both in office and then under Biden but when completely
wacko with democracy dies in darkness? You know what Trump want,
and Democracy's not dead. In fact, the country's doing just fine,
thank you. I'm gonna be doing a whole lot better
in the next year. Now you see this, Clay, the
New Washington Post mission new mission statement. They've had to
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change it from Democracy dies in darkness, which, as a guy,
your estrogen levels rise dramatically when you just say it
out loud.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Your voice gets hired. Democracy dies in darkness.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
The New Washington Post mission statement is is riveting storytelling
for all of America. Wow, you mean there going to
be a newspaper that is trying to just tell people
the news instead of being a DNC propaganda rag. Do
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you think that this is actually gonna take? Is it
gonna hold?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Clay?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, first of all, this is any time you have
one of these slogans, by and large, they get a
ton of people sitting around and they end up with
something that is very, very bland. So again, riveting storytelling
for all of America, that's the mission statement. If they
actually follow through, then credit to Jeff Bezos for altering
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the trajectory of the newspaper that he bought. Democracy Dies
in Darkness? Is it gonna come off the masthead? Is
that official? Because I can imagine that the Washington Post
reporters will lose their mind if you take Democracy Dies
in Darkness off of the masthead. But I do think
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what it's emblematic of, and this is important, and I
think it matters. You're gonna have in theory Buck Mark
Zuckerberg of Facebook Meta Bezos, who runs Amazon as well
as owns the Washington Post, Elon, who obviously has like
eighty different companies including X and SpaceX and Ai X
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and XAI I guess it is, and obviously Tesla, all
these different companies. You're now going to evidently have the
TikTok CEO all sitting in positions of honor at the
inauguration near the cabinet. And did you see something yesterday
that to me ties in with this. Margo, who runs
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much of Trump's behind the scenes social media, tweeted this
out and I didn't see it get a lot of attention,
but Diet Coke made a special inauguration Diet Coke honorarium
for Trump. Now, a lot of you out there might
be saying, Okay, Clay, why does that matter? First, of all,
Trump drinks diet coke like water. I mean, the guy
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just pounds diet cokes all day long. He loves them.
We've done interviews, Buck where they just keep freaking in
new diet cokes and pumped, and Trump's just popping them,
pounding them, popping, pounding, and I think Ewan Musk now
it's gotten in on the diet coke obsession and many
of you out there. It's got the caffeine, it doesn't
have the calories. I'm not trying to sell diet coke,
but a lot of people love it, okay, So they
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would have never done this in sixteen, Buck, the CEO
of Coke, never would have shown up at mar A
Lago and been saying, hey, congratulations, President Trump, here is
a diet coke in your honor. It seems like a
small thing, but combined with Bezos, combined with Zuckerberg, combined
with Musk, the resistance is dead. And even the Washington
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Post changing the mast head. Remember they put that in
place in twenty sixteen when it was like Trump won
the president Russia put him there. All of corporate America
is basically now saying we're glad Trump won and we're
no longer fighting him, and I think it sets the
table for an amazing twenty twenty five and twenty twenty
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six for Trump, where truly much of America finally gets
back in line together and says, this is our guy.
He's the president and we want him to kick ass.
And the resistance and the whole cancel culture it's dead.
And I do think that diet Cot thing, which seems small,
is actually incredibly emblematic of the culture shift that we've
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seen since Trump won in November.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Well, it's a huge change in sentiment from a lot
of companies, and I think the corporate culture more broadly
has Now there's been this breakthrough where you've had people
walking away from or ending very ideologically intense DEI stuff.
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You've had people that feel like, you know, enough is
enough with some of the more woke policies that corporate
America has embraced. Now, that's cases here and there, that's
not really across the board. But I do think there's
been a taming of the anti Trump media that has
occurred that is far beyond what anybody could have anticipated
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even a year ago, where now they you know, they're
still critical, but and they still are opposing Trump, but
the hysteria thing, it had turned into a hysteria contest.
And I spent way too much time, as you all know,
watching Democrat media against Trump during the Biden years, because
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I always want to know what they're saying. You couldn't
get anybody to watch your monologue if you were a
Democrat on TV and you weren't saying that Trump, you know,
led an insurrection and as a threat to democracy. There
was no lee. There was no audience for you. There
was no leeway to do something that was less crazy
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than that, just as when Trump was in office, there
was no room for you to be a Democrat with
an audience and a voice that had, you know, impact
on that side. There was no room for you unless
you're willing to say that Trump is a Russian stooge
and Russia collusion and Russia stole the election. That now
has faded, and I think they're finding themselves in a
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position where they've exhausted the hysteria of their own side.
I think that's what the Washington Post is reacting to
at some level. I mean, the old democracy dies in darkness. Remember,
it's not like that was their slogan for one hundred years,
and then Trump happened to be president, and they got more. No,
they in twenty seventeen, they decided this was there. You know,
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they were hashtag resistance. The Washington Post, which is really
the second most i don't know, venerated by the elite,
certainly within DC, the most venerated newspaper, and it became
a hashtag resistance entity and completely abandoned the mission of
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any kind of neutral or impartial reporting. I mean, that
just was a joke. The front page was just all
one big anti Trump's creed. So it's moving away from
that now. I don't see how they can get back.
I don't see how they can ramp things Upclay anytime soon.
So we're in a totally different media environment than we
had been in for eight years, and we're still figuring
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out what that looks like. But so far it's all good.
I mean, so far it's the good guys winning, the
bad guys losing and running for cover.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And remember, all we're asking for, it's just for everybody's
opinions to be treated the same Democrats are demanding that
their opinions be treated in a more favorable light. All
we're asking for is the rules to be applied evenly
and the principles of the marketplace of ideas to be
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distributed evenly. And this is an analogy I've made Buck,
but I think it's so important, and I think even
it's gotten through to Jeff Bezos. If all of your
errors make Donald Trump look awful, you never have a
reporting error. And I kind of have done this. I
wrote it in my most recent book, but I said,
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you know, there's never a story that comes out and
goes viral that Trump saved a kitten from drowning, and
then it comes back and it's like, actually, that story
didn't happen. If all of your stories about Trump that
are proven to be false all make him look worse,
that's not just a failure sometimes of reporting. Nobody's perfect.
(25:53):
Everybody gets things wrong. That's life, no matter what you
do for a living. But if you're truly un biased,
there should be super positive Trump stories that it turns
out weren't true. Instead, every Trump story that's super negative
is the one that turns out not to be true.
And if I'm looking at that, and I'm Jeff Bezos,
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and I spent two hundred and fifty million dollars to
buy the Washington Post, which, to be fair, is a
pinprick of the net worth of Jeff Bezos. It's like
an average person going out and buying a car for
like one thousand dollars. It's not even a high end car.
It's just part of his play money that he has decided.
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That's the sign that your culture is rotten from the
inside and that you aren't actually doing stories that are
fair in appeal to everyone. And I've talked about this
in the evolution of the Washington Post. I went to
college in DC. You lived in DC. I enjoyed buying
The Washington Post and reading it. I mean I knew
that it wasn't a straight down the middle, that it
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was a little bit left of center newspaper at times,
but it wasn't for on left wing propaganda, which is
what it became.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Didn't they have' George Will Maybe he's still yes, he's
kind of a Democrat now, but Kronheimer and uh, you know,
there there were people who were making the real the conservatives.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Choice for making conservative argument, really talented people. What happened
to the Washing Post had turned into a place where
the conservatives were people who made the case for why
conservatives were wrong all the time for the amusement of Democrats.
But that's just what the New York poses now to
the Lincoln Project.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Guys like all of the Trump is going to destroy
the world.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And like they're really just Democrats who are getting money
by pretending to have been Republicans. Yes, the whole thing
is faked, and all that fakery, all that falseness, falsehood,
whatever is kind of coming.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Do you know.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
People are seeing the bill is coming due, people are
seeing this for what it really was. And so again,
I think this is part of the feeling that when
Trump comes into office, Yes, everything he does they're going
to oppose. Yes they're going to exaggerate. But the old
machinery of holding Trump back and creating hysteria around every
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Speaker 4 (29:32):
I just saw this before, and I didn't know I
didn't know it until a moment ago. But the incoming
National Security Advisor for Trump, Mike Waltz, Congress and Walla's
former special forces.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Guy a good dude.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
He said on Fox earlier day this is cut twenty,
that they're not gonna let TikTok go dark.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Actually, so here's what he had to say.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
We will put measures in place to keep TikTok from
going dark. In the led islation allows for an extension
as long as a viable deal is on the table,
and you know, essentially that US President Trump time to
keep TikTok going. It's been a great platform for him
and his campaign to get his America First message out.
But at the same time, he wants to protect their data.
(30:17):
You know, Conservatives don't want the FBI, and they certainly
don't want the Chinese communists getting their passwords, getting their
data and being able to overly influence the American people.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Now, it's interesting that there's this there's this change that's
occurred with X and now Facebook and now maybe TikTok.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Where the Internet overall.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The Internet as it is used by people, right, I mean,
obviously there's endless websites, but a huge when you look
at the traffic numbers of what people actually do online.
First of all, I mean YouTube takes up a huge
portion of online traffic. You know, certainly the US and
more broadly globally. But you know TikTok. Well, here here's
(31:02):
CNN's data guy, Harry Engine talking about American teenagers usage
of TikTok.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
This is twenty one.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I don't know if you have any teenage members or
your family, but if you ever look at their phone,
they seem to be addicted to and they're scrolling through
what are they scrolling through? They're scrolling through TikTok. I mean,
my good, disgracious. Two thirds of teenagers use TikTok. It
is more popular than Instagram, more popular than Snapchat, Facebook's.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
For old Fuddy Dott's like myself.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Just thirty two percent of teenagers use Facebook and Twitter x,
which is my favorite platform to be all on, it's
just seventeen percent. And it's not just that they love TikTok.
Teenagers are addicted to TikTok. TikTok's got a hold of them.
Fifty percent of teenagers use TikTok several times a day.
So if TikTok went audios and egos, this would have
(31:48):
a major impact on the daily lives of teenagers, at
least in your life.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So claiy, I mean I think this stuff is really
important in many ways, but one of them is as
the left, as social media became the dominant method of
online communication and the left tightened its grip, it was
able to move this. This coincided with wokeness. This coincided
with the far left lurch of the Democrat Party in
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this country because they controlled the information pipeline essentially, and
we're moving into an era where they won't have that
the way they have in the past, and maybe maybe
a more free Internet than we've seen since the earliest
days of the Internet could be on the horizon.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I also think this ties in with Elon Musk leading
the charge and taking the slings and arrows first, not
only in buying X, but in just being outspoken. There
was an Axios report that I was reading this morning
book that said, and it didn't name the CEO, but
one of the CEOs said, I don't have to worry
about getting canceled anymore. I can say whatever, I'm paraphrasing him,
(32:52):
whatever the f I want. And for a long time
people knew that this was all bs like you and
I would talk to really successful guys running companies privately
and they would say, yeah, we agree with pretty much
everything you guys say, and you'd be like, well, you know,
you're not really outspoken publicly.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
We'd be like, well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Worried ABO I might get canceled, right, And I get it.
If you're making thirty million dollars a year to run
company X. A lot of those guys just say, hey,
PR write me an email talking about how much I
like DEI and how committed to diversity and inclusion we
all are, and then it just goes out under their names.
And the reality is they've thought it was complete crap,
(33:35):
but they felt like that's what they needed to do.
Now you can call it cowardice. You can also call it.
What I think often happens politically is it's astounding to
me how many politicians want to get in office and
then not get noticed for doing anything. You notice that,
like most politicians actually don't want to lead the charge.
They want to stay like three or four rows back
(33:58):
and just keep getting reelected, not really take that much flack,
not take that much criticism, stay under the radar. That's
one of the things that's kind of astounded me as
I've moved more into the political universe is how many
cowards there are in politics, and I think it's true
certainly in big business and everywhere else. The Elon musks
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of the world are rare, but when they rise up
all of a sudden, you're seeing I don't think that
it's a coincidence that Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are
suddenly getting way more outspoken in the wake of Elon.
They saw, Oh, Elon went through the fire, he took
all the charge and his companies are doing fine. So
(34:38):
there isn't an ability to cancel. And this is where
I also came back with. We were talking yesterday or
day before about the Pete hag Seth hearing. Going after
somebody for private personal failings feels very old to me.
Now it feels like it's played out. Maybe it's going
to change, but it feels to me like the cancel
(34:58):
culture of oh my goodness, twenty five years ago, you
did X, and now you're not allowed to have a
job doing Why. Remember when's the last time somebody got
canceled for a joke? Buck Remember when comedians they were
going back through their old jokes and they were like,
this is really problematic humor. Back in two thousand and one,
you know, like he or she said this, and they
(35:18):
need to apologize for this.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I think that there was a there was a left
wing mass hysteria in this country that really reached its
pinnacle during COVID. But it was enabled largely by the
dominance the left had of online media platforms which were
just aggressively promoting some things and censoring and destroying other things,
(35:42):
other ideas, and it was you know, people use the
term Orwellian, but it was very Orwellian in feel, and
it was something that the demo people say, oh Biden,
and I know people say, oh gee, you did and
everything else. Well, there are a lot of things that
were rigged about the twenty twenty election. One of the
biggest ones, and there's no debate about this, was that
(36:03):
the social media platforms went all in on on electing
Donald I mean, on electing Joe Biden and defeating Donald Trump.
Something else I think is interesting, and we got a
we got a VIP wrote in about this a second ago.
I'm trying to find it right now, Clay, but I
mean I remember the basics of it, and it's these individuals,
(36:23):
you know, you can't you can't trust them. These here
we go VIP from email from Ken. He writes, the
support Trump is getting from Bezos, Zuckerberg, Coca Cola, it's
all fake. They're all still left flaming leftists. The hysteria
isn't gone. It's just in remission. These people are in
survival mode and they're trying to avoid Trump's wrath. Let's
(36:44):
let's deal with this for a second, shall we. I
think this is interesting because, on the one hand, I
understand the concern that somebody who has been on the
right for five minutes being elevated to a leadership position
on the right in some respect is concerning. But I
also feel like when people start to do the right
(37:07):
thing and say the right thing, how long do you
ignore them before you allow them to actually change their mind?
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
So, I think we can be aware of all these things.
Is for Bezos and Zuckerberg and others, is closing up
the Trump good business right now? Yes, I think we're
aware of that. Has there been a longer term trend
of these guys realizing the madness that has occurred with
the left in this country, the anti business stuff, the
communist mindset that they have. I think that's also the case.
(37:35):
And to your point, about Elon breaking down the barriers.
I think we are in a different I think that
it's people are more free now to be rational than
they've been in a long time, and we don't want
to shut down those pathways just because they haven't been
in the game for a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Most people don't stand on principle. They stand on self interest.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So that position from the email or is not in
accurate in some respects, but it is a significant cultural
shift that standing on self interest now means you support
more freedom and less censorship.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So I can either sit.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Around and say, oh, I don't trust them anymore, but
at least they're making the right choices. And this is
the consequence I think of the popular vote election and
Elon leading the charge. Let me make a historical analogy
for you, Buck the investigation into communism, which in many
(38:35):
ways was valid of McCarthy. In retrospect, people say it
ended when that argument, have you no decency? That is
now famous for people who study history. I don't know
that it occurred.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
In that moment.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
The next day on radio, I don't know that people
were like, hey, this era is over. I do think
historically there is going to be an argument that Elon
buying Twitter was the line of cultural demarcation from which
the woke era, the me too era, This America is awful.
(39:14):
Sixteen to nineteen project Tear Down the Washington Monument rename
Washington DC BLM is justified in burning down all of
these police stations. I do think the line of cultural demarcation,
this is my prediction years into the future. May well
look to historians there, because remember what Elon said. He's
(39:35):
made a lot of money. He said he wasn't buying
Twitter to try to make a ton of money. Now
he still may make money off of Twitter, but he
said he was doing it to save free speech in
the country, and that if he had to lose money
as a consequence, that he was willing to do so
because he's making money so many other places. And now
it is in the self interest of the Zuckerbergs and
(39:56):
the Elons, and the Zuckerbergs in the basis is to
follow in the footsteps of Elon. But that doesn't mean
I forgive Mark Zuckerberg for bowing down to the Biden
censorship request. Again, most of these guys don't stand on principle.
They move in the self interest of their corporations and
Trump winning means that their self interest is now for
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more free speech. All of you who voted Trump, we
should be applauded because we've made this happen. And oh,
by the way, we may have ended the war in
the Middle East too, and we may soon end the
war in Europe. That's the consequence of Trump winning an election.
I think we should celebrate it as opposed to sit
around and whine about things we didn't like in the past.
(40:43):
But I also agree with you, Buck, just because somebody's
on your side right now doesn't mean they should be
lionized as some great principled warrior. It just means we
won some battles and now they recognize they're going to
get their ass kicked if they don't been the knee.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
This is one of the failings of the right in general,
is that anytime, especially if somebody has a little bit
of celebrity sizzle, even just a little bit, and they
come out and say, you know what, I want to
be on your team. Now we're ready to elect them president.
You know, everyone needs to slow their role sometimes, Okay,
And also I think I do think it's worth remembering, well,
there have been some people who have been trying to
(41:19):
convince people to come over into the light of righteousness,
truth and sanity for a long time.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
We should necessarily take what is new. The new shiny
object on the right is a phenomenon that people need
to calm down on a little bit.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And to your point, also, a lot of us bore
real consequences for saying what we did at times when
it was not popular to say what they did.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I ebuck your.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Deluge when he said, hey, we got to open the
country back up by easter, which you were one hundred
percent right about. When I said, hey, we got to
play sports and open up all the schools and went
and spoke even at our school.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Board, you should see what I got.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
Like.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's easy to stand on principle when people pat you
on the back. It's hard to stand on principle when
the response is, go to hell, you want everybody's grandma dead,
You're an awful human being. A lot of us actually
went through those fires, and I do think that should matter.
And by the way, I do believe in the larger
marketplace of ideas. The reason we have the biggest radio
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The reason why we've continued to build an audience all
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were right about a lot of that stuff too. So
over time, I believe the truth wins, and being honest
and standing on principle, even if sometimes people don't agree
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Speaker 1 (44:23):
Several different stories to hit. As we rolled through the
third hour, of the program. Here on the Thursday edition,
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I'm gonna talk a bit Buck about Kamala being upset
at Joe Biden for saying he would have won the election.
According to the Wall Street Journal that a report also
New Washington Post slogan as we talked about democracy dies
in darkness, maybe on its way out. Daniel Penny back
(45:10):
on the subways. I want to get bucks take as
a New Yorker on Penny just going right back to
the subways after they tried to put him in prison
for committing a negligent homicide basically is the standard that
they tried to prosecute him under. We'll talk about that.
We're getting fan mail. We've been talking about TikTok, and
by fan mail, I mean people who believe that you
(45:31):
and I are morons, and so let's go ahead and
hear here's Dan who has emailed this Buck. Dan says,
I'm shocked you support keeping TikTok so kids aren't devastated
with the loss and Trump's investment may suffer.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
What about national security?
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Don't you find it difficult to have to build stories
constantly that match what Trump wants you to say? Who
cares how much people like TikTok? National security is the
top priority? Unbelievable. If Trump against TikTok, your story would
be on the other side. So predictable. Now, let me
tee this up for you.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
You have Actually, when no one else was defending TikTok,
you and like what's the guy's name, Jamal Bowman were
like the only people in America saying I don't want
to see TikTok band.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
The only people, the only people on the right that
were raising any questions about it were yours, truly, Senator
rand Paul A little bit just because of the government
overreach component of just saying we're going to kill a
company because we think there's some theoretical national security risks
to it. Yeah, I mean, the gentleman can write in
whatever he likes, and that's fine. But to say that
(46:37):
that I've changed my tune on that's just contrafactual. I
have been pro TikTok when nobody say pro TikTok, keeping
it alive, not shutting it down thinking that it's overblown
the national scurity risk. Nobody was agreeing with me, and
now Trump agrees with me. That's different. That's not me
agreeing with Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Trump actually has changed his opinion to agree with Buck,
not us. And what I would say about myself. First
of all, there's lots of things that I disagree with
Trump on. I mean, you should disagree with any political
leader on lots of different issues. I think Trump's right
on almost everything, but there are three or four things
I would change if I were president. My perspective has
been pretty much the same. It's not as as much
(47:17):
as Buck's defense of TikTok. I have said, I think
TikTok should be forced to be sold to an American owner,
and that I would be troubled in the same way
by China owning a Chinese individual or company owning The
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, any American media company, to me,
should not be owned by a Chinese entity. So I
(47:40):
want an American or an American company to own TikTok.
So I appreciate Dan listening and believing that we are
encouraging the destruction of America with our perspectives on TikTok.
I actually think it's a super fascinating question. A lot
of you, we opened up phone lines, a lot of
you have a variety of perspectives. I was alongside a
bum kind of impressed by how many of you are
(48:02):
big fans of TikTok and we are we are going
to have going forward tomorrow ran paul On. We'll get
the latest on TikTok from him as it continues to
come down the pike, and you guys can call in
eight hundred and two to two eight A two and
we may well take some more of your calls on
TikTok today. Appreciate I think his name was Dan being
(48:23):
such a big fan and sending an email. Now Buck,
we talked about ESPN's decision not to air the Moment
of silence for the terror attacks and in New Orleans
after the Sugar Bowl and not to air the national anthem.
We played it all for you. The USA chance called
out ESPN. ESPN claimed that they had a timing issue.
(48:47):
They have been getting ripped to the high heavens such
that I don't know if you saw this buck they
actually aired for the first time I've ever seen the
pregame prayer on nationwide ESPN. They have not missed the
national anthem since, which was a default acknowledgment that they
had screwed up. Now on a podcast, the executive Bert Magnus,
(49:09):
who oversees ESPN, has apologized, says it was a terrible
mistake and a horrible error not to air the national
anthem and the moment of silence. I wanted to play
this because I do think it's significant of the voice
out there from all of you and how you can
hold people accountable and helped to make sports something that
(49:31):
unites everybody instead of being divisive.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Listen to this.
Speaker 8 (49:35):
I know there's a little bit of controversy regarding you
guys not covering the anthem in New Orleans for the game.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Can you speak about that.
Speaker 8 (49:42):
There's a group of people in Bristol who just made
an enormous mistake. It was a human error.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
It happens.
Speaker 8 (49:50):
I don't want to minimize it by any stretch, but
as you noted, like nothing was normal about that next day,
including our programming lineup where we normally would have had
college game day and that crew leading into the game.
It wasn't that it was Sports Center, which is done
out of Bristol instead of it, and said it was just
a mistake that you know that we feel terrible about
(50:10):
and by the way we should be held to account for,
right like, we want to be as good as we
can possibly be at all times and even though it
was not a normal situation, you know, our traffic got
fouled up, our timing got fouled up, we happened to
you know, to be in commercial break when the anthem happened.
It was just not good by any measuring stick and
(50:31):
not up to our standards.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Do you buy play that it was a foul up
more of an oversight that they're taking responsibility for, or
was this a decision that was made that now they're
trying to soft pedal as oh it was. You know,
this is like when someone says I misspoke. It's like, well,
if you read something off a prompter and you read
it and you said it, you didn't, that's not misspeaking.
(50:56):
Was this a you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I said at the time, there's only two explanations. It's
either a as they said, what do they say, an
enormous mistake and a horrible error, or it's intentional. Here's
what I would say, Buck, that can tell that's two options.
I think they're also somewhat connected because it goes to culture.
If you make horrible errors or enormous mistakes, if your
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culture is strong, somebody should have stood up and said, hey,
there was a terror attack in New Orleans yesterday. We've
got to make sure that we have the moment of
silence and that we carry the national anthem because it's
a moment of national healing. And it's also a significant
story how New Orleans responds to a terror attack the
(51:48):
day after you know there's not any It takes a
certain degree of bravery to be among sixty thousand people
who show up to watch a big event right after
they were having bomb's planet in Bourbon Street. So the
resilience of the American spirit is to me the best
and most important story the game itself. Look, congratulations Notre
(52:08):
Dame won it, But I think a lot of people
will remember the spirit of New Orleans. But ESPN fouled
it up. So I think it goes to culture, regardless
of direct intent, that it could be allowed to happen
is a failure enormously of culture.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Now we've been talking about the trajectory of social media platforms,
news media, Washington Posts and others, and the massive vibe
shift that is occurring toward the right, toward Trump. Is
this happening in sports media as well? Or is sports
media lagging even this wave of sanity that feels like
(52:46):
it is finally washing across the country.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
I think we're winning, and that's why I think again.
I understand, we'll get emails every day, we get VIP emails.
You can't trust Zuckerberg, you can't trust Bezos. I understand
that argument. But what I am seeing is I don't
think ESPN would have come out and made this public
and acknowledgment. Remember they tried to initially blame timing error.
(53:10):
Now suddenly they're saying, actually, we screwed up, and not
only did we screw up, we should be held to
account for it. Like, hey, you, Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton were right to call us out for it. You
Clay Travis and other OutKick writers Bobby Barack is most
established on writing this story. For instance, at OutKick dot com,
(53:32):
We're winning the culture battles. And the fact that ESPN
is admitting this and was asked about it, I think
is evidence that they recognize that. And where does that
come from, Buck? It comes from overwhelming majorities of the
American public saying that's wrong, you screwed this up. You
should own it. And again, I think the silent majority,
(53:56):
which oftentimes had been on the sideline saying, eh, I
might not like this, but I don't really want to
speak out because I'm worried about what a lot of
people are over it, and they're like, screw it. I'm
going to tell you exactly what I think. And I
think that's what Trump, whether you like him or not
bull in a China Shop style, has created, is the
Overton window for what many people feel comfortable debating publicly
(54:20):
has expanded, and I think that's actually incredibly beneficial to
the American public, regardless of what you want to argue
in favor of well, I'm.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
I think there was a time when if you had
called Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas in a public forum. You know,
especially if you work at a place like ESPN, you
might have gotten in a lot of trouble. Guess what,
when the President of the United States does it, it
makes it a lot harder for someone to say, well,
you can't say it if the actual sitting president says it.
I mean, I agree with your fundamental point, which is
(54:51):
that Trump has been saying things for a long time
now that allow people to say more of the same,
and there's a force multiplier effect that comes from all
of that. But I would wonder on the sports media
side of things, because I think that the.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Trans stuff in this.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
Election was potent, meaning, yes, the Democrats playing this game
of men can become women, you men should be able
to play in women's sports. All this stuff, you have
to use the preferred pronoun, you have to this blew
up in their faces and they couldn't do what they
normally do, which is a poor all of that stuff
and then be.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Like, why do you care? Why are you talking about it?
What did you guys? Text?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
This morning is among many things as we're prepping, there's
a dude playing in San Francisco on the girls high
school basketball team who scored twenty nine points. And we
wrote about this at out Kick And this is not
a super talented boys basketball player, right. If you watch
this guy running up and down the court, you're not like,
(55:55):
oh man, that's Kobe Bryant out there, or even that's
a good high school boys basketball player. And he is
dominating in San Francisco girls basketball because he identifies as
a girl. I think overwhelmingly people are like, this is
I want to curse, but this is bonkers, this is insane.
(56:19):
And you know what happened though, Buck Only two Democrats
voted in favor of a bill this week. Every Republican
supported it. All it did was say you should if
your school's receiving federal funds, there shouldn't be boys who
are allowed to compete in girl sports. Only two Democrats
voted against it. I think they are basically committed to
(56:43):
going down Titanic style with the ship on this issue,
as it rapidly is becoming an eighty twenty. Unless you're
just a crazy person, you're like, there's no what are
you talking about? A boy decides to identify as a
girl and plays on girl sports like this is. They
used to make movies mocking it back at remember Juwana
(57:03):
man like they used to make movies mocking the idea
of a guy identifying as a woman and dominating. Now
it's actually reality at high schools and colleges. Like I
can't believe still that this is the reality of where
we are.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Speaking of.
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Welcome In Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show, Can
we start the count now? I think we barely can
for long days until Joe Biden is a distant memory
of the nation. We will discuss right off the top
here in a moment his farewell address, which was basically
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just a hectoring old man screams at the clouds while
mangling a large percentage of the words that were written
on his screen and being almost incapable of communication. Also,
there are a bunch of other things that are out there,
the ongoing confirmation hearings of the Trump team, which I
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would describe honestly as a home run. I mean, the
Democrat attempt to levy some blame has just completely failed.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We've got all.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sorts of continued fallout out from what we hope is
going to be a lasting cease fire that gets the
hostages back healthy, and israel An argument over who exactly
deserves the credit for all of that.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What is Biden's legacy.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
There is now talk of what exactly will happen with that,
and many different aspects associated with that. But I would
start with this, Buck, I watched Joe Biden's farewell address
to the nation, and it was awful.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean truly awful.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It started with a strange metaphor about the statue of
Liberty and how it can move in the wind and
yet it does not fall. I don't know who thought
that that was poetic and that that was something that
should be should be defined, and that it was going
to somehow resonate through history. It feels to me like
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every time Biden is trying to speak to history, and
I know that he has had, unfortunately for him, historians
advising him. Which I know we've said this on the show,
but let's just hammer this home. Historians should never advise you,
because historians are good at telling you one hundred years
after something happened why it mattered, not in contextualizing the
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modern era. And in fact, much of the historical analogies
that Biden has drawn, for instance, January sixth, worst day
since the Civil War, you're either on the side of
Jefferson Davis or you're on the side of truth and justice.
And when he talked about the Georgia voting rights bills,
he's really just totally maladroit when it comes to making
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even somewhat resonant historical analogies. And I thought that continued
with his speech, which just felt like the old man
yells at the clouds Simpsons me to me, I want
to play a couple of these cuts in the event,
because I bet most people out there did not watch this.
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We should also mention, by the way, Ashley Moody, who
I believe was the Florida Attorney General, is now going
to replace Marco Rubio in the Senate. That is the
announcement of Ron DeSantis. She was a top DeSantis ally.
I think that is a very solid choice.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
She is now one of your senators. We'll talk about that.
But Biden, I think this is important to remember. Joe
Biden pardoned his own son despite the fact that his
own son committed a bevy of felonies, and he tried
to imprison his chief political rival. And just last week
or ten days ago, he gave George Soros a presidential
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Medal of honor. And yet he's telling us and oligarchy
is taking shape in America. Yeah, you have been rewarding
your rich political allies for four years, much to the
detriment of America.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Listen to cut eight.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I want to warran a country. Some things they've given
me great concern. This is a dangerous concert and that's
the dangerous conversation of power in the hands of a
very few ultrawealthy people, the dangerous consequences if their abusive
power is left unchecked. Today oligarch is taking shape in
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America of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens
our entire democracy. Are basic rights and freedoms and a
fair shot for everyone to get ahead.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay, I mean this is lunacy.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
So does George Soros go on the bad list or
the good list of the arks? Does ried Hoffman of LinkedIn?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Does Jeff Bezos until about five minutes ago. I mean,
think about their billionaires are humanitarians? Who are you know,
writing huge checks to save democracy or whatever. Any billionaire
that is right of center is an oligarch, is a threat.
It's a illusion and it's also delusional because the election
showed us very clearly the Democrats are overwhelmingly the party
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of the rich in this country. Now, they still cling
to this fiction that the Republicans are like the Wall
Street fat cats jumping on cigars and the Old Boys Club.
That is laughable. Silicon Valley hedge fund bros. People that
have billions, hundreds of millions, or billions of dollars of
personal wealth are disproportionately Democrat industries that generate massive amounts
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of money for the individuals, and the companies involved disproportionately
massively donate to Democrats. By the way, this stretches back
even to Hillary and Obama. This has been going on
for a long time. The notion that the billionaire oligarchs
are all right wing or some right wing specific threat
is a fantasy that Democrats tell themselves. The entire climate
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change movement is limousine liberals of old writing checks, and
sometimes it's the x y of very rich, you know,
tech guys writing big checks to these lunatic NGOs that
pretend like the world's gonna melt. I mean, but first
of all, Biden didn't even care what was in this speech.
I think that he's just gonna read whatever's put in
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front of him. At this point, he has no legacy
to speak of. The guys defeated. He's humiliated. It's the
you know, it's the end stage for his political career,
and obviously he's in the twilight of his year's period.
And the whole thing was just kind of sad. And
kind of pathetic. Honestly, that was my That was my takeaway.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, and building on what he said there, Remember Kamala
raised more money in a short period of time for
her presidential campaign than any candidate in the history. What
did she raise?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
One and a half billion dollars buck that she raised
basically in one hundred days. She wildly outspent and wildly
outspent Trump. So this idea that, oh, the Republican Party
is going to be a washing cash. Remember Trump was
outspent in sixteen, in twenty and in twenty four. I
know in sixteen and twenty four by massive amounts. I
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think twenty twenty was closer because he was the president
of the United States and was able to fundraise higher.
But money has actually been on the side of Democrats.
And you just hit on the other part which they
talk about all the time. Hey, we shouldn't politicize a crisis, right,
this is crazy. And then Biden comes out and says
(07:29):
the threat of climate change from North Carolina to California,
directly calling in to account Hurricane Helene, which there are
still a lot of people in western North Carolina that
the government can't manage to take care of It's a
shame they're not in eastern Ukraine. I think they probably
would have a lot more help there. But listen to Biden.
(07:50):
Try to tie what's happening right now with the wildfires
in California, which on this program we pointed out since
the moment that southern California was discovered by the Europeans,
there have been an average of four point five million
acres of that area consumed by wildfire every year. But
listen to Biden and try to make that case. Here's
(08:12):
the farewell address.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The existential threat of climate change has never been clear.
Just look across the country from California to North Carolina.
That's why I sign the most significant climate and clean
energy law ever ever in the history of the world,
and the rest of the world trying to model it now.
The powerful forces want to wield their unchecked influence to
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eliminate too steps we've taken to tackle a climate crisis
to serve their own interest for power and profit. We
must not be bullied the sacrifice in the future, the
future of our children and our grandchildren, must keep pushing
forward and pushed faster.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
There's no time to waste. Just cut him off, Yeah,
it's enough, Clay.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
He cares about the existential threat of climate change with
the same authenticity that he cares about, you know, the
rights of trans adolescence. This is what the left wing
staffers put in front of him, and he reads it
because this is what the donors for the Democrats want
to hear from their puppet president in the last days.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Joe Biden doesn't give a crap about climate change. Have
you actually read?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And I'm embarrassed by how much time I spend on
this because I want to have good talking points. The
world warming would actually lead to less human death than
the world is right now, right more people die of it.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
It's all across like you know, northern England again, it
would be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I mean more people today, which no one will talk about.
They talk about the existential threat of climate change. More
people today by far die of extreme cold than extreme heat.
So if there is a warming of the of the
planet to the extent that it is occurring at all,
which has occurred through I mean, go look at the
(10:02):
history of planet cycles, warn't and getting colder and all
these things happens constantly to the extent that it is happening.
First of all, the population is projected to collapse by
half in the next one hundred years, and nobody talks
about it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Human population, But that's math. That's actually just math.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yes, and that's actually way scarier if you want to
talk about the future of humanity. If you ask me
right now, hey, what are you scared about, Clay, one
hundred years from now, It's that nobody wants to have
kids anymore, and that the population around the world is collapsing,
And in fact, one hundred years from now, we may
have half as many people as exist now, which would
probably go a long way towards curing climate change. Unfortunately,
(10:41):
it might lead to destruction of humanity. But the data
doesn't even support what he's saying, this existential crisis. And
there was one more thing that I wanted to hit
that I thought we could react to. Maybe we react
to it on the back side here buck. But it's
him saying this is radical. I'm surprised it's not getting
more attention. The Constitution needs to be amended, you know,
where he's just saying, hey, we need to make sure
(11:02):
that the president is it is actually not immune from crimes. Well,
let's talk about this a little bit when we come back,
because it's so crazy Buck that he also, I think,
is his brain is broken.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It should be remembered that based on everything that.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
The Democrat Party and media one on the same has
said for eight years now, Joe Biden was swept aside
in a debate, didn't even make it to election day
as a sitting president against a fascist, criminal, lying insurrectionist,
(11:43):
blah blah blah, all that stuff. What could be a
bigger What could be a bigger way to get dunked
on clay? Then to be pushed aside as a sitting
president by a guy that you claim is the first
felon president who tried to overthrow the government and is
a threat to democracy?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
What does that say about Joe Biden? You see what
happening here? I think on the flip side, too, what
does it say about Trump? He beat too. He talked
about that a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, but I mean even even still, I think it's
underrated that he knocked out Joe Biden on June twenty seventh,
in the panic, they suddenly decided, hey, we've got to
put forward a new person. And then Trump won the
biggest presidential election since nineteen eighty eight against her and
Buck as we go to break. Here another fun story
that's out there. Did you see The Wall Street Journal
(12:33):
had a story that Kamala is upset that Biden keeps
saying he would have beaten Trump and that their relationship
has become increasingly frosty.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
No, I want to talk, you know, I want to
talk about that. I'm still bitter, dude, world's most expensive
stake Joe Biden. Joe Biden cost me because did anybody
couldn't stick to it? Did anybody get Buck on Buck
Island and AI? I didn't see it. I want well
defined AI of Buck. Just views of Fuck Island as
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it's being overrun like Atlantis, all the AI of you
in a turtleneck with like a smoking jacket playing the flute.
Very distinguished clip, very distinguished.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I'm impressed.
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Speaker 4 (14:43):
We are still waiting to get more updates here on
the ceasefire. He's Net and Yahoo. The Prime Minister trying
to pull it all together here get this done. Also,
uh TikTok, the CEO of TikTok is going to be
attending Trump's inauguration. I think that Trump the showman has
(15:08):
something up his sleeve here, has some things in mind
that will keep TikTok online.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It was kind of sad.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I was looking at some TikTok yesterday and the people,
some of the content creators were.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Doing kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know I put this, They were doing like I'm sorry.
You know, you can have like Sarah McLaughlin music playing
in the background or something like. It's been great. You know,
I've enjoyed being a content creator for all of you.
It's very kind of bummed out watching this. It's like,
oh man, cause there, I've never seen this before. And
the whole history of Facebook, Facebook has never just said
(15:49):
we're shutting down. Same thing with Instagram, same thing with
I mean even Twitter when it was acquired, never shut down.
And TikTok is supposed to go offline right now.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
On SUN.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I think it's going to be salvaged in some way.
I don't think it's actually going to go offline entirely.
We shall see. There's some very interesting possibilities there. But Clay,
it also makes me think about what a massive realignment
is occurring within the media right now. I think that
(16:21):
the absolute worst point for press freedom and press honesty,
whether we're talking social media or the longstanding news entities
like The New York Times, CNN, etc. Was the Biden
era of COVID in particular. I think that's when things
(16:42):
got completely out of control. And we've seen that. I mean,
we've seen this with the Twitter files. We've seen this
with the collusion with the government that occurred to have
the Biden administration shutting people down for things that were
not only were they not supposed to be shutting people down,
they were often shutting them down for things that were true. Right,
(17:03):
So they were using the power of censorship to suppress truthful,
accurate information, which is even more totalitarian feeling. So that's
why it's interesting, Clay to me that we see the
Washington Post, which went full communists under Trump's time in
(17:24):
both in office and then under Biden but when completely
wacko with democracy dies in darkness? You know what Trump want,
and Democracy's not dead. In fact, the country's doing just fine,
thank you. I'm gonna be doing a whole lot better
in the next year. Now you see this, Clay, the
New Washington Post mission new mission statement. They've had to
(17:44):
change it from Democracy dies in darkness, which, as a guy,
your estrogen levels rise dramatically when you just say it
out loud.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Your voice gets hired. Democracy dies in darkness.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
The New Washington Post mission statement is is riveting storytelling
for all of America. Wow, you mean there going to
be a newspaper that is trying to just tell people
the news instead of being a DNC propaganda rag. Do
(18:17):
you think that this is actually gonna take? Is it
gonna hold?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Clay?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, first of all, this is any time you have
one of these slogans, by and large, they get a
ton of people sitting around and they end up with
something that is very, very bland. So again, riveting storytelling
for all of America, that's the mission statement. If they
actually follow through, then credit to Jeff Bezos for altering
(18:45):
the trajectory of the newspaper that he bought. Democracy Dies
in Darkness? Is it gonna come off the masthead? Is
that official? Because I can imagine that the Washington Post
reporters will lose their mind if you take Democracy Dies
in Darkness off of the masthead. But I do think
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what it's emblematic of, and this is important, and I
think it matters. You're gonna have in theory Buck Mark
Zuckerberg of Facebook Meta Bezos, who runs Amazon as well
as owns the Washington Post, Elon, who obviously has like
eighty different companies including X and SpaceX and Ai X
(19:28):
and XAI I guess it is, and obviously Tesla, all
these different companies. You're now going to evidently have the
TikTok CEO all sitting in positions of honor at the
inauguration near the cabinet. And did you see something yesterday
that to me ties in with this. Margo, who runs
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much of Trump's behind the scenes social media, tweeted this
out and I didn't see it get a lot of attention,
but Diet Coke made a special inauguration Diet Coke honorarium
for Trump. Now, a lot of you out there might
be saying, Okay, Clay, why does that matter? First, of all,
Trump drinks diet coke like water. I mean, the guy
(20:11):
just pounds diet cokes all day long. He loves them.
We've done interviews, Buck where they just keep freaking in
new diet cokes and pumped, and Trump's just popping them,
pounding them, popping, pounding, and I think Ewan Musk now
it's gotten in on the diet coke obsession and many
of you out there. It's got the caffeine, it doesn't
have the calories. I'm not trying to sell diet coke,
but a lot of people love it, okay, So they
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would have never done this in sixteen, Buck, the CEO
of Coke, never would have shown up at mar A
Lago and been saying, hey, congratulations, President Trump, here is
a diet coke in your honor. It seems like a
small thing, but combined with Bezos, combined with Zuckerberg, combined
with Musk, the resistance is dead. And even the Washington
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Post changing the mast head. Remember they put that in
place in twenty sixteen when it was like Trump won
the president Russia put him there. All of corporate America
is basically now saying we're glad Trump won and we're
no longer fighting him, and I think it sets the
table for an amazing twenty twenty five and twenty twenty
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six for Trump, where truly much of America finally gets
back in line together and says, this is our guy.
He's the president and we want him to kick ass.
And the resistance and the whole cancel culture it's dead.
And I do think that diet Cot thing, which seems small,
is actually incredibly emblematic of the culture shift that we've
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seen since Trump won in November.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Well, it's a huge change in sentiment from a lot
of companies, and I think the corporate culture more broadly
has Now there's been this breakthrough where you've had people
walking away from or ending very ideologically intense DEI stuff.
(22:06):
You've had people that feel like, you know, enough is
enough with some of the more woke policies that corporate
America has embraced. Now, that's cases here and there, that's
not really across the board. But I do think there's
been a taming of the anti Trump media that has
occurred that is far beyond what anybody could have anticipated
(22:28):
even a year ago, where now they you know, they're
still critical, but and they still are opposing Trump, but
the hysteria thing, it had turned into a hysteria contest.
And I spent way too much time, as you all know,
watching Democrat media against Trump during the Biden years, because
(22:49):
I always want to know what they're saying. You couldn't
get anybody to watch your monologue if you were a
Democrat on TV and you weren't saying that Trump, you know,
led an insurrection and as a threat to democracy. There
was no lee. There was no audience for you. There
was no leeway to do something that was less crazy
(23:10):
than that, just as when Trump was in office, there
was no room for you to be a Democrat with
an audience and a voice that had, you know, impact
on that side. There was no room for you unless
you're willing to say that Trump is a Russian stooge
and Russia collusion and Russia stole the election. That now
has faded, and I think they're finding themselves in a
(23:33):
position where they've exhausted the hysteria of their own side.
I think that's what the Washington Post is reacting to
at some level. I mean, the old democracy dies in darkness. Remember,
it's not like that was their slogan for one hundred years,
and then Trump happened to be president, and they got more. No,
they in twenty seventeen, they decided this was there. You know,
(23:55):
they were hashtag resistance. The Washington Post, which is really
the second most i don't know, venerated by the elite,
certainly within DC, the most venerated newspaper, and it became
a hashtag resistance entity and completely abandoned the mission of
(24:15):
any kind of neutral or impartial reporting. I mean, that
just was a joke. The front page was just all
one big anti Trump's creed. So it's moving away from
that now. I don't see how they can get back.
I don't see how they can ramp things Upclay anytime soon.
So we're in a totally different media environment than we
had been in for eight years, and we're still figuring
(24:37):
out what that looks like. But so far it's all good.
I mean, so far it's the good guys winning, the
bad guys losing and running for cover.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And remember, all we're asking for, it's just for everybody's
opinions to be treated the same Democrats are demanding that
their opinions be treated in a more favorable light. All
we're asking for is the rules to be applied evenly
and the principles of the marketplace of ideas to be
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distributed evenly. And this is an analogy I've made Buck,
but I think it's so important, and I think even
it's gotten through to Jeff Bezos. If all of your
errors make Donald Trump look awful, you never have a
reporting error. And I kind of have done this. I
wrote it in my most recent book, but I said,
(25:29):
you know, there's never a story that comes out and
goes viral that Trump saved a kitten from drowning, and
then it comes back and it's like, actually, that story
didn't happen. If all of your stories about Trump that
are proven to be false all make him look worse,
that's not just a failure sometimes of reporting. Nobody's perfect.
(25:53):
Everybody gets things wrong. That's life, no matter what you
do for a living. But if you're truly un biased,
there should be super positive Trump stories that it turns
out weren't true. Instead, every Trump story that's super negative
is the one that turns out not to be true.
And if I'm looking at that, and I'm Jeff Bezos,
(26:15):
and I spent two hundred and fifty million dollars to
buy the Washington Post, which, to be fair, is a
pinprick of the net worth of Jeff Bezos. It's like
an average person going out and buying a car for
like one thousand dollars. It's not even a high end car.
It's just part of his play money that he has decided.
(26:37):
That's the sign that your culture is rotten from the
inside and that you aren't actually doing stories that are
fair in appeal to everyone. And I've talked about this
in the evolution of the Washington Post. I went to
college in DC. You lived in DC. I enjoyed buying
The Washington Post and reading it. I mean I knew
that it wasn't a straight down the middle, that it
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was a little bit left of center newspaper at times,
but it wasn't for on left wing propaganda, which is
what it became.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Didn't they have' George Will Maybe he's still yes, he's
kind of a Democrat now, but Kronheimer and uh, you know,
there there were people who were making the real the conservatives.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Choice for making conservative argument, really talented people. What happened
to the Washing Post had turned into a place where
the conservatives were people who made the case for why
conservatives were wrong all the time for the amusement of Democrats.
But that's just what the New York poses now to
the Lincoln Project.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Guys like all of the Trump is going to destroy
the world.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And like they're really just Democrats who are getting money
by pretending to have been Republicans. Yes, the whole thing
is faked, and all that fakery, all that falseness, falsehood,
whatever is kind of coming.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Do you know.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
People are seeing the bill is coming due, people are
seeing this for what it really was. And so again,
I think this is part of the feeling that when
Trump comes into office, Yes, everything he does they're going
to oppose. Yes they're going to exaggerate. But the old
machinery of holding Trump back and creating hysteria around every
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Speaker 4 (29:32):
I just saw this before, and I didn't know I
didn't know it until a moment ago. But the incoming
National Security Advisor for Trump, Mike Waltz, Congress and Walla's
former special forces.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Guy a good dude.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
He said on Fox earlier day this is cut twenty,
that they're not gonna let TikTok go dark.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Actually, so here's what he had to say.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
We will put measures in place to keep TikTok from
going dark. In the led islation allows for an extension
as long as a viable deal is on the table,
and you know, essentially that US President Trump time to
keep TikTok going. It's been a great platform for him
and his campaign to get his America First message out.
But at the same time, he wants to protect their data.
(30:17):
You know, Conservatives don't want the FBI, and they certainly
don't want the Chinese communists getting their passwords, getting their
data and being able to overly influence the American people.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Now, it's interesting that there's this there's this change that's
occurred with X and now Facebook and now maybe TikTok.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Where the Internet overall.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
The Internet as it is used by people, right, I mean,
obviously there's endless websites, but a huge when you look
at the traffic numbers of what people actually do online.
First of all, I mean YouTube takes up a huge
portion of online traffic. You know, certainly the US and
more broadly globally. But you know TikTok. Well, here here's
(31:02):
CNN's data guy, Harry Engine talking about American teenagers usage
of TikTok.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
This is twenty one.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I don't know if you have any teenage members or
your family, but if you ever look at their phone,
they seem to be addicted to and they're scrolling through
what are they scrolling through? They're scrolling through TikTok. I mean,
my good, disgracious. Two thirds of teenagers use TikTok. It
is more popular than Instagram, more popular than Snapchat, Facebook's.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
For old Fuddy Dott's like myself.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Just thirty two percent of teenagers use Facebook and Twitter x,
which is my favorite platform to be all on, it's
just seventeen percent. And it's not just that they love TikTok.
Teenagers are addicted to TikTok. TikTok's got a hold of them.
Fifty percent of teenagers use TikTok several times a day.
So if TikTok went audios and egos, this would have
(31:48):
a major impact on the daily lives of teenagers, at
least in your life.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So claiy, I mean I think this stuff is really
important in many ways, but one of them is as
the left, as social media became the dominant method of
online communication and the left tightened its grip, it was
able to move this. This coincided with wokeness. This coincided
with the far left lurch of the Democrat Party in
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this country because they controlled the information pipeline essentially, and
we're moving into an era where they won't have that
the way they have in the past, and maybe maybe
a more free Internet than we've seen since the earliest
days of the Internet could be on the horizon.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I also think this ties in with Elon Musk leading
the charge and taking the slings and arrows first, not
only in buying X, but in just being outspoken. There
was an Axios report that I was reading this morning
book that said, and it didn't name the CEO, but
one of the CEOs said, I don't have to worry
about getting canceled anymore. I can say whatever, I'm paraphrasing him,
(32:52):
whatever the f I want. And for a long time
people knew that this was all bs like you and
I would talk to really successful guys running companies privately
and they would say, yeah, we agree with pretty much
everything you guys say, and you'd be like, well, you know,
you're not really outspoken publicly.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
We'd be like, well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Worried ABO I might get canceled, right, And I get it.
If you're making thirty million dollars a year to run
company X. A lot of those guys just say, hey,
PR write me an email talking about how much I
like DEI and how committed to diversity and inclusion we
all are, and then it just goes out under their names.
And the reality is they've thought it was complete crap,
(33:35):
but they felt like that's what they needed to do.
Now you can call it cowardice. You can also call it.
What I think often happens politically is it's astounding to
me how many politicians want to get in office and
then not get noticed for doing anything. You notice that,
like most politicians actually don't want to lead the charge.
They want to stay like three or four rows back
(33:58):
and just keep getting reelected, not really take that much flack,
not take that much criticism, stay under the radar. That's
one of the things that's kind of astounded me as
I've moved more into the political universe is how many
cowards there are in politics, and I think it's true
certainly in big business and everywhere else. The Elon musks
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of the world are rare, but when they rise up
all of a sudden, you're seeing I don't think that
it's a coincidence that Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are
suddenly getting way more outspoken in the wake of Elon.
They saw, Oh, Elon went through the fire, he took
all the charge and his companies are doing fine. So
(34:38):
there isn't an ability to cancel. And this is where
I also came back with. We were talking yesterday or
day before about the Pete hag Seth hearing. Going after
somebody for private personal failings feels very old to me.
Now it feels like it's played out. Maybe it's going
to change, but it feels to me like the cancel
(34:58):
culture of oh my goodness, twenty five years ago, you
did X, and now you're not allowed to have a
job doing Why. Remember when's the last time somebody got
canceled for a joke? Buck Remember when comedians they were
going back through their old jokes and they were like,
this is really problematic humor. Back in two thousand and one,
you know, like he or she said this, and they
(35:18):
need to apologize for this.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I think that there was a there was a left
wing mass hysteria in this country that really reached its
pinnacle during COVID. But it was enabled largely by the
dominance the left had of online media platforms which were
just aggressively promoting some things and censoring and destroying other things,
(35:42):
other ideas, and it was you know, people use the
term Orwellian, but it was very Orwellian in feel, and
it was something that the demo people say, oh Biden,
and I know people say, oh gee, you did and
everything else. Well, there are a lot of things that
were rigged about the twenty twenty election. One of the
biggest ones, and there's no debate about this, was that
(36:03):
the social media platforms went all in on on electing
Donald I mean, on electing Joe Biden and defeating Donald Trump.
Something else I think is interesting, and we got a
we got a VIP wrote in about this a second ago.
I'm trying to find it right now, Clay, but I
mean I remember the basics of it, and it's these individuals,
(36:23):
you know, you can't you can't trust them. These here
we go VIP from email from Ken. He writes, the
support Trump is getting from Bezos, Zuckerberg, Coca Cola, it's
all fake. They're all still left flaming leftists. The hysteria
isn't gone. It's just in remission. These people are in
survival mode and they're trying to avoid Trump's wrath. Let's
(36:44):
let's deal with this for a second, shall we. I
think this is interesting because, on the one hand, I
understand the concern that somebody who has been on the
right for five minutes being elevated to a leadership position
on the right in some respect is concerning. But I
also feel like when people start to do the right
(37:07):
thing and say the right thing, how long do you
ignore them before you allow them to actually change their mind?
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
So, I think we can be aware of all these things.
Is for Bezos and Zuckerberg and others, is closing up
the Trump good business right now? Yes, I think we're
aware of that. Has there been a longer term trend
of these guys realizing the madness that has occurred with
the left in this country, the anti business stuff, the
communist mindset that they have. I think that's also the case.
(37:35):
And to your point, about Elon breaking down the barriers.
I think we are in a different I think that
it's people are more free now to be rational than
they've been in a long time, and we don't want
to shut down those pathways just because they haven't been
in the game for a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Most people don't stand on principle. They stand on self interest.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So that position from the email or is not in
accurate in some respects, but it is a significant cultural
shift that standing on self interest now means you support
more freedom and less censorship.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So I can either sit.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Around and say, oh, I don't trust them anymore, but
at least they're making the right choices. And this is
the consequence I think of the popular vote election and
Elon leading the charge. Let me make a historical analogy
for you, Buck the investigation into communism, which in many
(38:35):
ways was valid of McCarthy. In retrospect, people say it
ended when that argument, have you no decency? That is
now famous for people who study history. I don't know
that it occurred.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
In that moment.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
The next day on radio, I don't know that people
were like, hey, this era is over. I do think
historically there is going to be an argument that Elon
buying Twitter was the line of cultural demarcation from which
the woke era, the me too era, This America is awful.
(39:14):
Sixteen to nineteen project Tear Down the Washington Monument rename
Washington DC BLM is justified in burning down all of
these police stations. I do think the line of cultural demarcation,
this is my prediction years into the future. May well
look to historians there, because remember what Elon said. He's
(39:35):
made a lot of money. He said he wasn't buying
Twitter to try to make a ton of money. Now
he still may make money off of Twitter, but he
said he was doing it to save free speech in
the country, and that if he had to lose money
as a consequence, that he was willing to do so
because he's making money so many other places. And now
it is in the self interest of the Zuckerbergs and
(39:56):
the Elons, and the Zuckerbergs in the basis is to
follow in the footsteps of Elon. But that doesn't mean
I forgive Mark Zuckerberg for bowing down to the Biden
censorship request. Again, most of these guys don't stand on principle.
They move in the self interest of their corporations and
Trump winning means that their self interest is now for
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more free speech. All of you who voted Trump, we
should be applauded because we've made this happen. And oh,
by the way, we may have ended the war in
the Middle East too, and we may soon end the
war in Europe. That's the consequence of Trump winning an election.
I think we should celebrate it as opposed to sit
around and whine about things we didn't like in the past.
(40:43):
But I also agree with you, Buck, just because somebody's
on your side right now doesn't mean they should be
lionized as some great principled warrior. It just means we
won some battles and now they recognize they're going to
get their ass kicked if they don't been the knee.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
This is one of the failings of the right in general,
is that anytime, especially if somebody has a little bit
of celebrity sizzle, even just a little bit, and they
come out and say, you know what, I want to
be on your team. Now we're ready to elect them president.
You know, everyone needs to slow their role sometimes, Okay,
And also I think I do think it's worth remembering, well,
there have been some people who have been trying to
(41:19):
convince people to come over into the light of righteousness,
truth and sanity for a long time.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So I don't think that.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
We should necessarily take what is new. The new shiny
object on the right is a phenomenon that people need
to calm down on a little bit.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And to your point, also, a lot of us bore
real consequences for saying what we did at times when
it was not popular to say what they did.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I ebuck your.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Deluge when he said, hey, we got to open the
country back up by easter, which you were one hundred
percent right about. When I said, hey, we got to
play sports and open up all the schools and went
and spoke even at our school.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Board, you should see what I got.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
Like.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's easy to stand on principle when people pat you
on the back. It's hard to stand on principle when
the response is, go to hell, you want everybody's grandma dead,
You're an awful human being. A lot of us actually
went through those fires, and I do think that should matter.
And by the way, I do believe in the larger
marketplace of ideas. The reason we have the biggest radio
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The reason why we've continued to build an audience all
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were right about a lot of that stuff too. So
over time, I believe the truth wins, and being honest
and standing on principle, even if sometimes people don't agree
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Speaker 1 (44:23):
Several different stories to hit. As we rolled through the
third hour, of the program. Here on the Thursday edition,
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I'm gonna talk a bit Buck about Kamala being upset
at Joe Biden for saying he would have won the election.
According to the Wall Street Journal that a report also
New Washington Post slogan as we talked about democracy dies
in darkness, maybe on its way out. Daniel Penny back
(45:10):
on the subways. I want to get bucks take as
a New Yorker on Penny just going right back to
the subways after they tried to put him in prison
for committing a negligent homicide basically is the standard that
they tried to prosecute him under. We'll talk about that.
We're getting fan mail. We've been talking about TikTok, and
by fan mail, I mean people who believe that you
(45:31):
and I are morons, and so let's go ahead and
hear here's Dan who has emailed this Buck. Dan says,
I'm shocked you support keeping TikTok so kids aren't devastated
with the loss and Trump's investment may suffer.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
What about national security?
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Don't you find it difficult to have to build stories
constantly that match what Trump wants you to say? Who
cares how much people like TikTok? National security is the
top priority? Unbelievable. If Trump against TikTok, your story would
be on the other side. So predictable. Now, let me
tee this up for you.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
You have Actually, when no one else was defending TikTok,
you and like what's the guy's name, Jamal Bowman were
like the only people in America saying I don't want
to see TikTok band.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
The only people, the only people on the right that
were raising any questions about it were yours, truly, Senator
rand Paul A little bit just because of the government
overreach component of just saying we're going to kill a
company because we think there's some theoretical national security risks
to it. Yeah, I mean, the gentleman can write in
whatever he likes, and that's fine. But to say that
(46:37):
that I've changed my tune on that's just contrafactual. I
have been pro TikTok when nobody say pro TikTok, keeping
it alive, not shutting it down thinking that it's overblown
the national scurity risk. Nobody was agreeing with me, and
now Trump agrees with me. That's different. That's not me
agreeing with Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Trump actually has changed his opinion to agree with Buck,
not us. And what I would say about myself. First
of all, there's lots of things that I disagree with
Trump on. I mean, you should disagree with any political
leader on lots of different issues. I think Trump's right
on almost everything, but there are three or four things
I would change if I were president. My perspective has
been pretty much the same. It's not as as much
(47:17):
as Buck's defense of TikTok. I have said, I think
TikTok should be forced to be sold to an American owner,
and that I would be troubled in the same way
by China owning a Chinese individual or company owning The
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, any American media company, to me,
should not be owned by a Chinese entity. So I
(47:40):
want an American or an American company to own TikTok.
So I appreciate Dan listening and believing that we are
encouraging the destruction of America with our perspectives on TikTok.
I actually think it's a super fascinating question. A lot
of you, we opened up phone lines, a lot of
you have a variety of perspectives. I was alongside a
bum kind of impressed by how many of you are
(48:02):
big fans of TikTok and we are we are going
to have going forward tomorrow ran paul On. We'll get
the latest on TikTok from him as it continues to
come down the pike, and you guys can call in
eight hundred and two to two eight A two and
we may well take some more of your calls on
TikTok today. Appreciate I think his name was Dan being
(48:23):
such a big fan and sending an email. Now Buck,
we talked about ESPN's decision not to air the Moment
of silence for the terror attacks and in New Orleans
after the Sugar Bowl and not to air the national anthem.
We played it all for you. The USA chance called
out ESPN. ESPN claimed that they had a timing issue.
(48:47):
They have been getting ripped to the high heavens such
that I don't know if you saw this buck they
actually aired for the first time I've ever seen the
pregame prayer on nationwide ESPN. They have not missed the
national anthem since, which was a default acknowledgment that they
had screwed up. Now on a podcast, the executive Bert Magnus,
(49:09):
who oversees ESPN, has apologized, says it was a terrible
mistake and a horrible error not to air the national
anthem and the moment of silence. I wanted to play
this because I do think it's significant of the voice
out there from all of you and how you can
hold people accountable and helped to make sports something that
(49:31):
unites everybody instead of being divisive.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Listen to this.
Speaker 8 (49:35):
I know there's a little bit of controversy regarding you
guys not covering the anthem in New Orleans for the game.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Can you speak about that.
Speaker 8 (49:42):
There's a group of people in Bristol who just made
an enormous mistake. It was a human error.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
It happens.
Speaker 8 (49:50):
I don't want to minimize it by any stretch, but
as you noted, like nothing was normal about that next day,
including our programming lineup where we normally would have had
college game day and that crew leading into the game.
It wasn't that it was Sports Center, which is done
out of Bristol instead of it, and said it was just
a mistake that you know that we feel terrible about
(50:10):
and by the way we should be held to account for,
right like, we want to be as good as we
can possibly be at all times and even though it
was not a normal situation, you know, our traffic got
fouled up, our timing got fouled up, we happened to
you know, to be in commercial break when the anthem happened.
It was just not good by any measuring stick and
(50:31):
not up to our standards.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Do you buy play that it was a foul up
more of an oversight that they're taking responsibility for, or
was this a decision that was made that now they're
trying to soft pedal as oh it was. You know,
this is like when someone says I misspoke. It's like, well,
if you read something off a prompter and you read
it and you said it, you didn't, that's not misspeaking.
(50:56):
Was this a you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I said at the time, there's only two explanations. It's
either a as they said, what do they say, an
enormous mistake and a horrible error, or it's intentional. Here's
what I would say, Buck, that can tell that's two options.
I think they're also somewhat connected because it goes to culture.
If you make horrible errors or enormous mistakes, if your
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culture is strong, somebody should have stood up and said, hey,
there was a terror attack in New Orleans yesterday. We've
got to make sure that we have the moment of
silence and that we carry the national anthem because it's
a moment of national healing. And it's also a significant
story how New Orleans responds to a terror attack the
(51:48):
day after you know there's not any It takes a
certain degree of bravery to be among sixty thousand people
who show up to watch a big event right after
they were having bomb's planet in Bourbon Street. So the
resilience of the American spirit is to me the best
and most important story the game itself. Look, congratulations Notre
(52:08):
Dame won it, But I think a lot of people
will remember the spirit of New Orleans. But ESPN fouled
it up. So I think it goes to culture, regardless
of direct intent, that it could be allowed to happen
is a failure enormously of culture.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Now we've been talking about the trajectory of social media platforms,
news media, Washington Posts and others, and the massive vibe
shift that is occurring toward the right, toward Trump. Is
this happening in sports media as well? Or is sports
media lagging even this wave of sanity that feels like
(52:46):
it is finally washing across the country.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
I think we're winning, and that's why I think again.
I understand, we'll get emails every day, we get VIP emails.
You can't trust Zuckerberg, you can't trust Bezos. I understand
that argument. But what I am seeing is I don't
think ESPN would have come out and made this public
and acknowledgment. Remember they tried to initially blame timing error.
(53:10):
Now suddenly they're saying, actually, we screwed up, and not
only did we screw up, we should be held to
account for it. Like, hey, you, Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton were right to call us out for it. You
Clay Travis and other OutKick writers Bobby Barack is most
established on writing this story. For instance, at OutKick dot com,
(53:32):
We're winning the culture battles. And the fact that ESPN
is admitting this and was asked about it, I think
is evidence that they recognize that. And where does that
come from, Buck? It comes from overwhelming majorities of the
American public saying that's wrong, you screwed this up. You
should own it. And again, I think the silent majority,
(53:56):
which oftentimes had been on the sideline saying, eh, I
might not like this, but I don't really want to
speak out because I'm worried about what a lot of
people are over it, and they're like, screw it. I'm
going to tell you exactly what I think. And I
think that's what Trump, whether you like him or not
bull in a China Shop style, has created, is the
Overton window for what many people feel comfortable debating publicly
(54:20):
has expanded, and I think that's actually incredibly beneficial to
the American public, regardless of what you want to argue
in favor of well, I'm.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
I think there was a time when if you had
called Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas in a public forum. You know,
especially if you work at a place like ESPN, you
might have gotten in a lot of trouble. Guess what,
when the President of the United States does it, it
makes it a lot harder for someone to say, well,
you can't say it if the actual sitting president says it.
I mean, I agree with your fundamental point, which is
(54:51):
that Trump has been saying things for a long time
now that allow people to say more of the same,
and there's a force multiplier effect that comes from all
of that. But I would wonder on the sports media
side of things, because I think that the.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Trans stuff in this.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
Election was potent, meaning, yes, the Democrats playing this game
of men can become women, you men should be able
to play in women's sports. All this stuff, you have
to use the preferred pronoun, you have to this blew
up in their faces and they couldn't do what they
normally do, which is a poor all of that stuff
and then be.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Like, why do you care? Why are you talking about it?
What did you guys? Text?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
This morning is among many things as we're prepping, there's
a dude playing in San Francisco on the girls high
school basketball team who scored twenty nine points. And we
wrote about this at out Kick And this is not
a super talented boys basketball player, right. If you watch
this guy running up and down the court, you're not like,
(55:55):
oh man, that's Kobe Bryant out there, or even that's
a good high school boys basketball player. And he is
dominating in San Francisco girls basketball because he identifies as
a girl. I think overwhelmingly people are like, this is
I want to curse, but this is bonkers, this is insane.
(56:19):
And you know what happened though, Buck Only two Democrats
voted in favor of a bill this week. Every Republican
supported it. All it did was say you should if
your school's receiving federal funds, there shouldn't be boys who
are allowed to compete in girl sports. Only two Democrats
voted against it. I think they are basically committed to
(56:43):
going down Titanic style with the ship on this issue,
as it rapidly is becoming an eighty twenty. Unless you're
just a crazy person, you're like, there's no what are
you talking about? A boy decides to identify as a
girl and plays on girl sports like this is. They
used to make movies mocking it back at remember Juwana
(57:03):
man like they used to make movies mocking the idea
of a guy identifying as a woman and dominating. Now
it's actually reality at high schools and colleges. Like I
can't believe still that this is the reality of where
we are.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Speaking of.
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