January 17, 2025 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into the Friday edition of The Clay Travis end
Buck Sexton Show. To Friday. That's already looking forward to
Monday for a lot of us excited not just for
the weekend, but for the next week to begin, because
Donald J. Trump will be sworn in on Monday once
(00:21):
again as president. Forty seven president of these United States.
Is very exciting. It has been a long and bleak
four years of the Biden regime and we are looking
forward to this change. I know so many of you
are incredibly excited about it. So this is a weekend
(00:43):
of tremendous anticipation. We've got some news breaking today. A
few things will be getting to Biden deciding that he
can just ratify the Equal Rights Amendment because he says so,
or something, we'll talk about it. You've got Christy Gnoam
on Capitol Hill, governor South Dakotas soon to be the
head of the Department of Homeland Security, a very very
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important post because of the immigration and immigration enforcement provisions
and powers under it. The Supreme Court just upheld that
federal law that would make TikTok go dark starting on Sunday.
I think Trump is going to save it at the
last minute. I just don't believe they're going to let
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this thing go the way that it currently stands. We'll
dive into all of that, but I will say Clay
and I are having to go deep into our closets
because it is going to be about as cold as
it gets in Washington, d C. For this inauguration. We
are going. Clay wanted a party, so we're going to party,
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and I'm trying to find like I'm gonna try to
dress like I live in the polar Arctic North. And
they're now saying, Clay, give us the latest update. They're
actually changing up the inauguration. They say because of the cold.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
This was posted by Trump five minutes ago. January twentieth
can't come fast enough. I mean, this is typical Trump. Everybody,
even those initially opposed to President Donald J. Trump and
the Trump administration, just wanted to happen. He says, it's
his obligation to protect the people of our country. But
before we even begin, we have to think of the
(02:30):
inauguration itself. The weather forecast for Washington, d C, with
the wind chill factor, could take temperatures into severe record lows.
There's an Arctic blast sweeping the country. I don't want
to see people hurt or injured in any way dangerous
conditions for the tens of thousands of law enforcement first responders,
police canines, even horses, and hundreds of thousands of supporters
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that will be outside for many hours on the twentieth.
In any event, if you decide to come, please dress formally. Therefore,
this is all from Trump. Therefore, I have ordered the
inauguration address, in addition to prayers and other speeches, to
be delivered in the United States Capital Rotunda, as was
used by Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty five. Also, because
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of very cold weather, the various dignitaries and guest will
be brought into the Capital. This will be a very
beautiful experience for all, and especially for the large TV audience. Now, Buck,
you can imagine the mad scramble that this has put on,
because they have already built the rostrum, the location for
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where the inauguration typically takes place, hundreds of thousands of
seats and whatnot being laid out, and now everybody is
going to be inside. I don't even have any sense.
Maybe somebody out there knows in our audience how many
people you could even fit in the Capitol rotunda. I
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know it's a big open air area.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Not as many as you can fit on the mall
and the surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So I would think just a few thousand buck and
you know you want every congressman, every congressman's wife or
husband is gonna come, the cabinet, the all of the
CEOs that are gonna be there. I mean, this is
gonna be a mad dash to see who makes the cut.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
But the truth is, I, for example, a lot of
the sporting events I've been to, which is far fewer
than clay, it's more fun to watch it on TV
than it is to be there in person, unless you
have pretty amazing seats anyway, So for a lot of
for a lot of people, being able to enjoy this
virtually is really the best option anyway. I'm just I'm
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just gonna say it, you know, standing in line and
going through security and being penned in and finding your
seat and everything else, especially when it's gonna be twenty
something degrees, which I know for our Minnesota and Montana
listeners is just another Monday, but for people in Washington,
d C. That is deep freeze level.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So this is the Floridians like you. I mean, Trump
moves to Florida and decides it's too cold for the
inauguration to take place outside as a joke in and
of itself, and he's got a lot of Floridians in
his cabinet.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
If I put like six pastel sweaters on top of
each other, will I be warming off? That's what I
have to figure out here. If I just take all
of my STRETCHINGO shorts aren't gonna cut it. Yeah, it's
gonna be it's gonna be a brisk, it's going to
be chilly. But I will say there is so much
the you know, the feeling that I see Clay just
(05:34):
on social media from talking to people from I think
that there's excitement, but there's also a lot a feeling
of relief. I mean, this Biden administration, it has just
been four years of an insult to the intelligence of
the American people. The whole thing, though, the whole all
four years has just been he is a bonehead, He
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is a jerk. The people around him are incompetent. The
country has suffered because of it. You know, it feels
like a Shawshank moment when he finally gets out into
the rain. One more bit of news and I sign
off on the Shawshank analogy.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They are going to do a presidential parade that will,
I guess end at Capital One Arena, which is where
the Washington basketball team plays, where the Washington Capitals play,
and he says he will join the crowd at Capital
One Arena after his swearing in. All other events will
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remain the same. So they're going to open up Capital
One Arena on Monday. Now, Buck, I don't know how
many Capital One Arena can fit. Maybe thirty thousand would
be my guest. I don't know if they have the
floor covered in seats. I know there's around twenty thousand seats.
I've been there for sporting events several times in the past,
but I would imagine that people are going to start
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lining up for that thing to be able to be
there on a on the inauguration day soon.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'm also gonna tell you Antifa doesn't like the cold.
The ladies there who really likes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The cold, maybe downtown, the hill slit skiers, maybe a
few like amazing athletes on the ice.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm just saying, though, the whatever whatever, uh, you know,
low scale mayhem. Some of the angry leftists may have
thought they were going to engage in on this day now,
not when it's this cold outside. You know, it's just
you know, they're there, their little their little fingers get
a little too frost bitten for them to be running
around and spray painting and throwing things at cops and everything.
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So uh, in a sense, I think it'll be a
a more orderly, if more frigid inau curation day.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Let me also point this out, and I know that
having been through what we were through in Butler and
what we were through in Florida, is there anybody else
out there who's antenna kind of go up when you hear, hey,
we're moving things inside? About whether there might have been
some form of actionable threats against Trump and other people
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on the dais.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think there's always for well, for President Trump going
into an inauguration, there's going to be threat chatter that
that's found by the different law enforcement entities out there.
By the way, Capitol One Arena, our team just pulled
at twenty thousand, three hundred and fifty six. It's a
little bigger than Madison Square Garden, then, right, Madison Square garden.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But I'm wondering if they're going to be able to
have a bunch of on floor seating, which is why
I was saying maybe they can get it up close
to thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know, we're standing room on the ground floor.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I you know, that's a big area where they typically
would have the ice or the basketball court. So, yes,
twenty thousand seats, but I wonder anyway, it's going to
be hard to get in there if you are a
diehard Trump supporters.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Well, says capacity. So I would assume that includes like
fire code. I mean, this is the People's Republic of
DC we're talking about. That's good point. Yeah, I'm not
sure they're going to be you know, it's not like
a frat party that's just going too late, too long.
They're gonna just let everybody in, right, So I think
that Look, it's going to be quite a day on Monday.
We've all been waiting for it, and and really we'll
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talk a lot about this today on the show. This
is just the feeling I think that we all have,
and you know, Clay and I are going to be
celebrating this weekend, trying to keep our feet warm as
well while we walk around the streets of DC, it's
going to be quite quite chilly, But this is an
incredible place for the country to be in. And if
you had told me that, we would be sitting here
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talking about Trump's inauguration being moved inside because of the cold.
After four criminal indictments, the New York State lawsuit, the
civil the you know e g. Carol civil lawsuit, the
two impeachments, two assassination attempts. You know, if you told
me that we could we could get into two years ago,
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if we could have hopped into a time machine and
gone to this moment in time, I think a lot
of us would have said, oh my gosh, absolutely if
we have the option to just fast forward to this
knowing that the alternative has been defeated. So I think
it's an amazing feeling that a lot of people have
right now, Clay that Trump has. This is now completing
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the biggest political comeback of our lifetime, maybe of all time,
at least in American politics. I don't know how else
you could you could stack this up. So it's gonna
be It's gonna be quite a day. And I think Trump,
We're gonna find out this weekend has saved TikTok for
ninety for at least ninety days, So we we can
(10:37):
look up how to build a fire, you know what
I mean, we could look up how to start a
fire so we don't freeze to death in DC.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You are going to be free We're both flying up
to DC. In fact, I'm gonna duck out because I
got to make a flight right at the end of
the show today. But I'm already laughing a little bit
about how cold buck is going to be in DC. Cohen,
what's temperature today?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
At Miami? It's like seventy two. It's like seventy two degrees, Yeah,
maybe seventy three.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I you lived in DC. I went to college there.
It's underrated how cold DC gets in the winter.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't. I mean, it's much more akin to the
Northeast than it is the south.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's kind of like it's a wet it's a wet
cold too. It's a wet, bureaucratic, unfriendly cold. It's not good, windy,
way windier than I ever anticipated. I've been a lot
of cold cities, Let's be honest. I understand all of
you right now in Minneapolis and in in a Milwaukee Buffalo.
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Buffalo's my wife's hometown in Detroit. A lot of you
in those states are just like, you're just a bunch
of total hosses. And I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But it is funny that Trump moves to mar A
Lago where it's probably about the same temperature right now,
and he's like, yeah, you know this this cold weather stuff.
We're just gonna do what Reagan did. Move indoors when
there's I think you have the brown fat. They talk
about this sometimes, like the which is helpful for insulation
for the cold. I gotta say, once you move to
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a warm enough climate, clay that's all gone and you
just shake when you go somewhere cold.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I lived in the US Virgin Islands for a couple
of years, and I when I first got there, I
thought it was funny.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
The locals would be like, we don't get in the water.
You gotta go to the beach in December and January?
Are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And then all the people come in off the cruise
ships and you know, they flood the beaches and it
feels it is funny. By the second year there, I
was like, Man, who are these crazy people getting in
the water in the Caribbean in January.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
All Right, you guys, I.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Mean it is funny how your blood changes based on
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Speaker 2 (12:51):
Then you give this one. And if we're right on this,
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This is all mine are from the Bill's Ravens game,
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Speaker 1 (13:12):
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Speaker 2 (13:14):
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Speaker 1 (15:02):
The final show.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
That we will ever do with Joe Biden as President
of the United States. Hallelujah, we have made it, Buck.
They announced us in May of twenty twenty one, So
we appreciate all of you listening all over the country.
There has never been a show that you and I
have done together when Joe Biden has not been President
of the United States. Very sad, but at long last
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that will end. Come the start of the show on Monday,
so we talked about this. What is Biden's legacy? His
entire time in office is basically at an end. Have
you seen, Buck, there are reports that Biden is thinking
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about giving a pardon to Trump. Have you seen these
reports that are out there as sort of a desperate
hail Mary play for his own legacy, and a part
of me wonders if he might do it because of
the conversations that we have had otherwise, what is Biden's legacy?
He's I can't even think of like what the pitch
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would be.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I think that if I were Biden's advisor, first I'd
have to wake him up, and you know, then I'd
have to make sure that he knows who I am
and take a few minutes. But eventually, what I would
say to him is he should pardon Donald Trump, because
then he can go out on this. I'm a unifier,
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it's been a hard fought battle, blah blah, however you
want to, you know, phrase it. That's right. He did
this weird, this weird announcement about the Equal Rights Amendment
is now the law of the land. People just kind
of laughing at him, like, that's not how it works, buddy.
You don't just you don't just decide that the Constitution
says something different on your way out and then expect
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everybody to jump to it. But this would be an
opportunity for him to pardon Donald Trump and do something
that he could at least walk out saying he tried
to unite the country, because remember, he ran on uniting
the country and then was incredibly divisive. He ran on
the United Country did nothing to actually bring Americans together.
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In fact, I would argue he was especially on the
COVID stuff. I could give specifics on it, you know,
the winter of death, a deeply divisive president.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So yeah, I think, as you break it down, we said,
I think we said on the show a while ago
that certainly we expected him to pardon Hunter. And I
took the next step and I said, if you're going
to pardon Hunter, you should go ahead and part in Trump.
You should pardon a lot of people because it would
take some of the attention off of what is a
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nakedly individualistic decision that is designed to protect your own family.
You at least try to argue, Hey, the time for
partisan politics is over. I'm pardoning Hunter, who I think
has been targeted politically because of me, and I'm pardoning
Donald Trump and all his family or whatever else because
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it's time to turn the page and begin a new era.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I still think there would have.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Been criticism, but it would have seemed like more of
a statesman like decision as opposed to what he did,
which is engage in a nakedly beneficial for his own
family act while pretending that he is committed to the
rule of law. So the reason why I think it
might happen, Buck is your point on the Equal Rights Amendment,
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the final address. It feels like there's a certain flailing
hell Mary style where you're starting to recognize, wait a minute,
we've lost the game. Is there anything just outside of
the realm of normalcy that we can try to pull
off that changes the trajectory of what otherwise is going
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to be? I think judged to be one of the
worst presidencies, if not the worst, in the twenty first century,
and the one of the worst, if not the worst,
in the last fifty or sixty years. And so I
think there's a desperation setting in because you and I
have asked, and by the way, open phone lines on
this eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two.
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Every now and then we have left wing callers and
you can listen. We hope we can persuade you with
our our arguments, no matter what your background is, and
no matter what your politics are. I don't even know, Buck,
if I tweeted this, and we've talked about it some,
if I were trying to be the spinmeister for Joe
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Biden's entire tenure, It's hard for me to even focus
on something and say, boy, Biden really nailed this. I
just I as we look back, and it's like, you know,
post script on Biden now, because this is his last
weekday as president of the United States. I can't even
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think of anything where I say, you know what, the
country is better off now than it was when he
came into office. And you know how hard that is
to do. When you're president. You have to make so
many decisions and there's so many different moving parts and
obstacles foreign domestic that you're addressing. I can't think of
anything that Biden did where he's leaving the country in
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better shape for Trump then he took it from Trump,
except for COVID, and that is entirely a function of
everybody just having gotten COVID, and eventually a virus goes
away once everybody gets it. That's basic virology. That would
have happened no matter who the president was. They're trying
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to say, oh, he brought us through COVID and he
solved the COVID. No he didn't. I mean, he just
happened to be there. If Trump had been president, COVID
would have petered out. I honestly believe in the same
way that it did with I mean, what's your I
guess maybe leaving Afghanistan, even though he left in a
disastrous fashion, he ended that war. It's just hard for
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me to come up with a strong argument for why
all of us aren't worse off substantially in every facet
of our lives. Sadly that the president has to impact
than we were before he came into office.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think it's, as I've been saying, a presidency of
failure from every possible perspective. Republicans don't like the things
he tried to do. Democrats recognize he wasn't even able
really to do very much that they wanted him to.
And the results for the country, right, So there's the
partisan perspectives, and then there's the results for the country.
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And I think that we haven't talked about it as
much lately, but the most open border for the illegal
invasion of this country in its history, over ten million
illegals piling it in four years, and doing so because
of Biden policy, because of Biden decisions, because with the
Democrat Party put out there as the messaging to the
world on this issue, and also by their actions with
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their lack of enforcement, to say that ten million people
illegally enter the United States, while Joe Biden was president
for only four years. Is I think that alone is
enough to say that this is a disastrous presidency. And
then when you add on to it the trillions of
dollars of completely unnecessary spending that shot up inflation of
the highest level in forty years. And then on top
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of that just the divisiveness and the the unwillingness of
Joe Biden to confront the true lunatic contingent in his party.
The you know, men can become women and the just
just find the most radical climate change lunatics, you know,
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the ones who were gluing themselves to paintings and things.
I know that's in Europe, but you know, same kind
of mentality here that he would never say to them,
stop being a bunch of babies. We have to run
this country like adults. Is something that doesn't surprise me.
But it really just goes to what a lack of
character Joe Biden has always suffered from. So I think
top to bottom, it's a awful presidency for the country,
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and the only upside of it is what we're about
to experience on Monday, which is the greatest political comeback
and the clearest mandate with the most tools at his
disposal that Donald Trump has ever had. So you know,
America is healing, as you're seeing a lot of people
say online, America is healing.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Speaking of healing, we talked about the Lake and Riley
Act that passed the House with some Democrat support, and
John Fetterman came out and said, we need to be
able to get some at least seven senators to break
through the filibuster and get to sixty. You want to
talk about America changing. Ten Democrats have joined every Republican
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in the Senate to break the filibuster on the Lake
and Riley Act. To me, that's pretty significant, buck that
we talked about, and it's probably not gonna surprise you.
Here are the states where those senators are from. Nevada, Arizona,
New Hampshire, and now I'm gonna run into a name
(24:15):
I don't know. I think New Hampshire, Georgia, New Hampshire
and Michigan, Michigan and Virginia. What of all this represent?
These are places that Trump either one or nearly one.
Kelly sorry is from Arizona as well. I forgot his
(24:36):
name for a second there, astronaut Mark Kelly. So you've
got all these different states. Remember Trump one Nevada double
Democrat senators, Trump one, Arizona double Democrat senators, Trump one,
Michigan double Democrat senators, Trump one, Wisconsin one Democrat senator,
Trump one, Pennsylvania flip day senate. See Fetterman has left there.
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I just think this is super interesting that Democrats are
now not lining up in full resistance against Trump. A
lot of them are saying, hey, you know what, we
need to be involved in many of his priorities in
twenty twenty five, which is a testament to how much
the ground underneath all of this has actually taken place
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and how substantial all all of this is. By the way,
also we'll mention this because we teased it five million
dollars in compensatory damages against CNN. You texted me about this.
In that verdict for defamation, it now is on to
punitive damages. Some states restrict how much more punitive damages
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can be given on top of a verdict. I'm not
sure what Florida trial law is in that respect.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Some states do not. So we will see what is
permissible under the law and also what happens. But CNN
is according to a Florida jury fake news, they committed deathmation.
They are now liable for five million dollars and we'll
see what sort of punited damages can be put on
top of that before all is said and done. I
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think that that's a more It's funny, that's a more
reasonable settlement than some of the things we've seen. But
it's not reasonable in so far as other networks have
been hit with much more for much less. You know, Yeah,
you know. So it's this is yeah, if somebody goes
on TV and says something that's a lie about you
get a check for five million dollars from them. Seems
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pretty close to what But look at what happened Rudy
jew What was the Rudy Giuliani verdict?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh don't I think he settled it now. But he
would have been This is important what you're pointing out
for the Georgia election poll workers lawsuit. He would have
been better off legally from a damages perspective, having committed
wrongful death than.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He was to have said mean things about them allegedly
in the public. In other words, wrongful death buck is
typically a formula that's pegged, where if you run over
somebody in a crosswalk and you're responsible for it. The
wrongful death that someone can gain is a function of
how many years of life they have left in general,
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and also what their income is. In other words, you
plug that formula in and you say, okay, this is
what the damage's scope could look like. These individuals in
Georgia got more money from Rudy Giuliani for him saying
mean things about them than they would have if he
had actually committed a crime that led to their death.
And also I think that the venue shopping that has
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gone on here totally is very clear, because usually you
have to have malice for there to be I know,
it depends on news organization. There's a lot of different
little tests and rules with these things. But in the
case of Rudy Giuliani with the election poll workers, I
think he always asserted that he truly believed what he
was saying wasn't intentionally He wasn't intentionally lying about anybody,
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and generally speaking, that's going to be something unless they
can prove your reckless. But then they said he's reckless
because it's election stuff, and that becomes very political obviously, right,
So anyway, five million dollars against CNN is a dropping
the bucket. I mean they pay some of their you know,
third tier anchors that unfortunately, but they well maybe second
tier anchors, but they are are on notice, I think
(28:22):
Clay that they can't just get away with absolutely whatever
they want to do. We'll take some calls coming up here,
and also we've got Senator Rampaul joining us at the
bottom talk about what's going on on Capitol Hill. You've
got Christy Nome soon to be the head of Department
of Homeland Security, assuming everything goes as planned with the
Senate confirmation, which I think it will, so we'll talk
about it. You know, we've got a crazy weekend ahead
(28:43):
in DC and we're gonna be running all over the place.
We're gonna need a whole lot of energy, especially me
because I generally like to take naps. Plays like where's
the party at and I'm like, I want to take
a nap. So fortunately, I'm gonna have some chalk with me,
my friends. I'm bringing some Chad Mode for the road.
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
Welcome back in to Clay and pack our last hour
on the air with a Biden president, at least officially speaking,
a Biden president. So we will we will be joining
you on Monday from DC in order to help bring
in and celebrate the fantastic and very exciting second term
(30:30):
of President Donald Jay Trump. It will be a bit
frosty in our nation's capital. They're moving it indoors, or
at least some of the celebration indoors, So there's that
going on. And yes, mister Clay, I think overall this
is going to be very, very exciting. I did check
out and the team was pulling very quickly. The pardon issue.
(30:55):
Can somebody basically say I don't want your pardon? The
answers yes, historical precedent for it, where people in the
past have said no, I don't I don't want the pardon.
So you know, are you that's a real test of
your convictions. If your Liz Cheney, let's just say, and
Biden offers you an eleventh hour pardon here, Oh she's
(31:16):
taken preemptive. You think she's definitely taking it right? Yeah,
but I don't think.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I mean, I could be wrong, clearly, but based on
what Trump did on his first term, I think now
that he's won, the chances of Trump coming in and
really trying to put people that he beat in prison
or charge them with crimes is actually low. Now, maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe they end up investigating, and I'm not
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saying these people haven't committed crimes. That's that's where I'm
let's be clear. But even with Hillary, Trump was like, hey,
you know, actually I don't think it makes that much
sense publicly, he said to put her in prison. I
to most people like I kind of feel sorry for
Liz Cheney because she's been wrong on everything and her
political career is over and her dad is the worst
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vice president ever and she can go get hired by
some lobbying firm and make money. But the idea that
she's ever going to be in any kind of leadership position,
to me is is crazy. And she got smoked in Wyoming,
So where is she going to go?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And people are going to like her?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know, they actually did the data which you and
I I think kind of hit on saying that Liz
Cheney was endorsing Kamala and that Dick Cheney was actually
hurt Kamala Because who are the people out there that
are diehard Cheney people who were also going to be
voting for Kamala. That Lincoln Project universe, there's like twenty
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eight dudes in that entire universe, and they've managed to
make like two hundred million dollars off of it, So
I guess credit to them. But this idea that there's
a huge anti Trump contingent pro Dick Cheney and Liz
Cheney contingent of the Republican already, it's crazy. Are there
Democrats that like Republicans who rip other Republicans? Sure, but
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the idea that there was somehow going.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
To swing vote change the outcome of the election, it
actually blew up in Kamala's space in the reverse. I
think it actually turned people against her. Yes, And it
also was the case that all of the celebrity endorsements
and having the Beyonce appearance and the other you know,
artists and all this stuff, none of that mattered at all.
(33:30):
A billion five in spending didn't matter at all. You're
also seeing I might note that Joe that Biden and
Kamala were huge recipients of what's called quote dark money,
you know, from different groups that don't have to disclose.
So this just goes along with Democrats have more billionaires
than Republicans do supporting their candidate. They have more of
the ultra high dollar industry, and and you know, sort
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of corporate America in those industries, notably tech and finance,
support them. They get more dark money than Republicans do.
And yet they still play this game of you know,
we're we're for the little guy. I mean, it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's one thing for them to play the game. It's
another thing for people like Jim Acosta and Joy Reid
and Rachel Maddow and all these other individuals to line
up and say, yes, boy, what oppression address? What an
incredibly forward thinking perspective. Biden provided. Everything he said was
a lie. And in the wake of giving George Soros
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to the Presidential Medal of Honor, and to your point, Buck,
in the wake of raising one and a half billion dollars,
they were way more billionaires supporting Kamala Harris than supporting
Donald Trump. So to claim that Republicans are somehow the
party of the oligarchy is just factually inaccurate. And it's
the same kind of inaccuracy. Lies would be another word.
(34:53):
When Biden says, hey, the Red States are doing really bad. Actually,
Red states demographically economically growth rates.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Are doing far better than the Blue States and it's
not even close. Yeah, well, truth is not really Biden's
strong suit. Neither is observation, competence or competence, leadership, staying
awake during meetings. I mean, you know, there's a lot
that Biden is Look, it's going to be better for
him as a person now that he's no longer having
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to play the play the role of president, which is
I think what has really been going on here. I
think that Biden all along has been essentially a puppet
of the advisors around him, and everyone's known that, and
all it is is just playing off of the brand
that he's been able to create in fifty years of
politics in eight years as Obama's VP, and he's a
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name that people know, and that was really it. There
was no vision, there was no leadership. I mean, that's
been obvious the whole time, even from the very beginning
of his four years. His age factors in here, I
think so. But I don't think we're ever gonna hear
or see much of Biden for the rest of his life,
however long that might be. Presidents have different post presidencies.
(36:09):
I think Jimmy Carter recognized, Man, it was a disaster.
I'm gonna try to make good. He was still a
relatively young man. Bill Clinton certainly has been very active.
Barack Obama's somewhat active. I would say George W. Bush
is kind of just vanished, right, Like, you barely ever
see him doing any kind of public venue. Even seeing
him at the Jimmy Carter funeral, I was kind of
cognizant of the fact that we rarely see him anywhere.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I mean, he's just kind of vanished. I think Biden
will vanish. I think he'll go up into into Delaware
and I think we'll barely hear anything from him. I
think Democrats want him to vanish, much like they did
Jimmy Carter. I don't think they want to try to
burnish his credentials. Nobody's gonna seek his endorsement in a
significant fashion, to the extent he's capable of giving one.
In twenty twenty eight, Carter didn't vanish, though, Jimmy Carter,
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you know, no, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Jimmy Yer is the opposite.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Like I think Jimmy Carter was trying to redeem what
was a failed presidency, I think. But I think probably
of the last twenty five years or so, George W.
Bush has been the least public of a former president.
I think that Biden will be even less public than
George W.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Bush. I think he's going to vanish. Yes, well, he's
also eighty three years old, eighty eight years old, so yeah,
I mean, just he was going to be a lifestans
if he had been re elected.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
He was.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I mean, which is it looks even crazier with every
day of his administration coming to a close that they
ever attempted to say we're going to have an eighty
six year old president.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Isn't it when you think about it, that they that
they tried to drag the country into that. And these
are the same people who lectured us for years about
how irresponsible it was to make Trump the president. Right,
That's the part is you go, wait a second, it's
the same people that say that Trump shouldn't be president
and we know, thankfully they didn't get their way. Are
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the ones who have been part of this game that
Joe Biden was just fine. And I think this is
the biggest single scandal in a sense of the entire
Biden term. And it's also what has just completely newtered
the anti Trump opposition. Everybody that has been an anti
(38:20):
Trumper went along with until they couldn't anymore. The Biden
is just fine. So they're all liars. They're all clearly liars.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And just remember they spent four years saying the twenty
fifth Amendment should be put in place because of Trump.
Almost none of them ever said anything about the twenty
fifth Amendment in Biden. To your point, they spent four years,
and Trump, whenever you think about him, tells you exactly
what he thinks, manages as he thinks is the most
successful version of the president. Biden should have been twenty
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fifth Amendment. Like, there's no way that he should have
been allowed to stay in power as long as he was.
To me, it's the single most reckless enabling act that
has ever occurred for the presidency in any of our lives.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Nobody was alive.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I don't think listening to us right now when Woodrow
Wilson had a stroke and his wife Edith basically ran
the White House, which is what they say now, I
can't believe that we ever ended up in a situation
where so many people who are supposed to be focusing
on disinformation and misinformation and cheap fakes. They let all
of this happen, and thank the Lord, come Monday, that
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entire era is over and it's time to start making
America great again. And I can't wait to see it
in person in DC. In fact, Buck, I am about
to walk downstairs and head to the airport where I
will meet up with you later this evening in Washington,
d C. You're going to close up the rest of
the show. We can't wait to be back with you
on Monday morning at noon Eastern, when Donald Trump will
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officially be the President of the United States. Thanks for
getting through the dark days of the Biden administration with
all of us mercifully, it's over all right.
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Speaker 2 (41:15):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are
joined by Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky. Appreciate him taking
the time to join us here in the middle of
the Senate confirmation process, and let's go ahead and start here, Senator,
right off the top, based on everything you're seeing, do
you expect everyone that Trump has put forward to be confirmed?
(41:36):
Is there any nervousness you have about any of these
nominees based on what you're hearing on Capitol Hill at
this point.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
You know, the hearing we did today was Governor Christy
nome I thought the Democrats were fairly reasonable and they're questioning.
I think she's gonna get bipartisan support. That's one you
know that has been my Committee Ross vote we did
a couple of days ago, and that's for omb office management.
He got more partisan response from the Democrats. I think
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he'll pass, but with Republican votes only unless he gets
one or two on the floor. So most of them
are going to go that way. A few of them
the Democrats will vote for, some of them will pass
with Republicans only. And then there's a couple of questions
on ones that who I think are real reformers, whether
or not some of the neo cons and the Republican
Party will will vote against them. These would be people
(42:25):
like Tulsea Gabbard, people like Cash Battel. You've got some
people who are institutionalists up here who believe that the
institution of big government is more important than principles, and
they don't want to be a disruptor in any of
those spots. But I'm thoroughly convinced people like Cash Battel,
Telsea Gabbard are necessary because politics has polluted our intelligence
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agencies and politics and polluted our domestic agencies like the FBI.
It's got to be gotten rid.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Of Senator Paul Where do you find Where do you
expect that RFK Junior is going to fall on this
spectrum in terms of opposition bipartisan support, just based on
what you already know of him. I know we still
have to hear from him on Capitol Hill, but there
are some who seem to think that are suggesting at
least that he may be a tougher pass for some
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members of the Senate.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know, I'm an enthusiastic supporter of his I'm also
an enthusiastic believer that vaccines were one of the biggest
medical miracles ever in all of modern medicine, really beginning
with the inoculation for smallpox back in the seventeen hundreds,
culminating really with polio vaccine and moving forward. That said,
I'm for voluntarism. I'm for parents making a choice, and
(43:40):
if something's good for you, sell me on it. I'll
give you an example, the smallpox vaccine. The initial one
was an inoculation with the smallpox. They took it from
somebody who had a few pocks and not much of
a disease. They unroofed a scab, took us and stuck
it in somebody else's arm. But in those days, the
death rate from smallpox is one in three. The death
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rates from the vaccine was not insignificant. It was one
in fifty, and yet people took it by the thousands
without a mandate death rate one in fifty for the
inoculation death rate one and three for smallpox. So people
are not stupid people. This is where the elitists get
it wrong. They think we're all too stupid to make
a rational decision because parents won't give their kid a
COVID vaccine. Well, parents have seen that COVID is a
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non deadly disease for kids, and there is a small
but measurable risk of a heart inflammation with it. I
think RFK is going to be honest about vaccines. I
think he's going to present honest studies and let people
make judgments, and really, you can have less vaccine hesitancy
if we have more testing, actually, and we show most
of the vaccines are probably pretty benign. But the thing
(44:44):
is is show us the testing. Let's go head to
head and tell us the truth. I still think probably
a COVID vaccine, if you're over seventy five or if
you're morbidly obese, you might want to take it, even
though COVID is not as dangerous as it was in
twenty twenty. But for kids, I don't think there's any
I don't think anybody in taking it because they're not
honest with us. Everybody's like, oh damn, I'm not believing
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that anything the government tells me anymore because they're dishonest
about childhood vaccines for COVID. So I think rfk's going
to bring a healthy dose of honesty. I think he's
got a good chance of passing, but it could be close.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
We're talking to Senator Ran Paul about the confirmation process
and more. I want to ask you a hypothetical and
then I want to ask you in your world what
you think should happen. TikTok is set to officially theoretically
not be allowed to be shared on the app Store
on January nineteenth, that is Sunday, the day before the inauguration.
(45:37):
Yet based on everything we've heard from the Biden team,
they say they're not going to enforce it. They're going
to pass the buck to Trump. TikTok CEO scheduled to
be at the inauguration. Couple of part question here for you,
can you remember a bill that Congress passed and the
President signed that both parties now seem like they're kind
of saying, actually, we don't really want this bill to
(45:58):
go into effect. It seems more like a threat than
it was an actual implementation of a legislative and executive
authority action. And second, in your mind, what should happen
if you were given charge to try to get a
solution here?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
What should happen with TikTok?
Speaker 3 (46:15):
So it's extraordinary for a build of pass overwhelmingly. You know,
I voted against it because I'm for speech, but this
bill has passed overwhelmingly to ban it, And how everybody's
like wow, I came to the 're going to do it,
maybe we shouldn't do it. And I think there is
a possibility that under the law he'll be able to
grant at least a ninety day extension. Now what would
I do under it? I believe in free speech. If
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you don't like Clay and Buck, turn them off. If
you really like them, record them and listen to them
over and over again all day long. You know, it's
freedom of choice. But let's say, well, it's complicated. They're
owned by a foreign entity. Even that's not really true.
About sixty percent of TikTok's ownerships international investors. Their CEO
is from Singapore, not from China. The two inventors were Chinese,
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but seven thousand American employees are part of this. So
to me, it's an illegal taking. You're taking somebody's business
without ever trying them a court. They say, oh, you're
sharing data with the Chinese Communist Party, Well prove it,
prove it in court. You can't just take my property
without proving something. That's an accusation. But it in between
would be this. There's something called sciphius. It's a committee
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of something foreign investment. It's like when a adversary country
owns something that's in our us, we look at it
and see if we can get board that distinguishes them
and distances them from their country. So there are companies
like this. I know of a company. I'm not going
to mention the names. I don't want to hurt them,
but fifteen hundred Americans work for this company. It's a
good company, not as big as TikTok any means, but
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it's some but three Chinese investors they say, some of
them are, you know, related to the Chinese Comage Party.
Everybody in China has some relation to the Chinese Commage Party.
But what they did is they set up an American board.
There's only Americans on it, no Chinese citizens on it,
and it's sort of a firewall. TikTok is offered to
do this. TikTok has offered to put all their records
on Oracle's cloud in housed in Texas, and so there's
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all kinds of things that could be done in between
of it. But I really think it's an affront to
the First Amendment to tell one hundred and seventy million
Americans they can't use a means of expression on social media.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Senator Paul, I'm totally in agreement with you and have
been the whole time. And I've been looking around wondering,
you know, is everyone else in the Republican Party taking
crazy pills to me that they're taking property without proving
that any of the spying has happened. They think that
there could be spying going on, but yeah, there could
be a lot of different things. Why are so many
Republicans on board with this? Is this just the way
(48:40):
to look tough on China without having to actually do
anything about China.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Here's the most ridiculous argument. I heard this one three
times today. Well, the Chinese ban are social media companies,
so we should ban theirs. And it's like, well, that's
because that's Chinese authoritarianism. That's what we object to. That's
why we're America. We're not China. That's why we don't
reject free speech. It's just insane, but it is. It is,
and hysteria it is. They're hysterics running all around Congress,
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mostly Republican but some Democrats too, and they want to
end all trade. They're gonna punish China by ending all trade.
And here's what I have to tell you. Look, I
don't like Chinese communism. I've written two books against Chinese communism,
The Case against Socialism and this you know Deception about
the Great COVID cover up in China and here. So
I have no love for the Chinese communists. But if
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you really like the idea of a free Taiwan, you
like the idea of that continuing. It's very unlikely that
there's going to be a war in which the US
goes to war with mainland China beats them and we
keep Taiwan free. It's much more likely that if we
have enough trade, both US China trade and US and
Taiwan trade and Taiwan China trade, that China will see
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it not in their interests, and that sounds weak. But
at the same time, if they don't do it in
their interests, I don't think there's a military solution, and
so we are better off telling the Chinese we will
continue to trade with you, but if you do take
Taywan bla force, guess what trade's over. So the threat
of ending trade is really about the best deterrence I
think we can have to keep them out of How on.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
You ran for President Sentator Paul against Donald Trump, back
in twenty fifteen, you worked with him from twenty sixteen
first term. How is Trump two point zero as he
prepares to take office here in twenty twenty five different,
if at all, from the guy that you met and
ran against back in twenty fifteen, And how in your
mind is Trump two point oh going to compare to
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Trump one point oh in terms of efficacy?
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Based on what you see, I would say no.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Distinct philosophical difference is I think since he's been a
young man, he's been a protectionist and a big believer
that tariffs are the way to go now. And I
don't see eye to eye on man. I see tariffs
as a tax, and taxes are an impediment to trade
and prosperity. But what I would say is he's been
very consistent in that venue. He also often uses the
leverage of tariffs to try to get something else. So
(51:01):
the geopolitical weapon, uh, you know, it was part of
why we got remained in Mexico, which I thought was
very good and did work to keep people in Mexico
and deter the mass millions from coming across the border.
Something he's necessarily changed on that. I think he's been
good on taxes, good on PvP pointed to the court.
Relatively good on regulation. Good on regulation, i'd say, and
(51:22):
not so great on spending. And I think he's probably
about the same. And that's why you have to have
some deficit hawks like me that will stand up to
either Republican or a Democrat and say we can't keep
spending like drunken sailors up here. But for the most part,
you know, I will get along time. I was. I
over oversaw Governor Christinoams hearing today. One of his appointees.
I'm all in for her, got her through the hearing.
(51:44):
Same with russ. Vote for omb a vast majority of
an vote something. Many of these people are people I
would have picked. Marty McCarey at FDA, he's amazing, Jay
Bodicharia and Nih amazing, RFK at HHS. Many of these
people are people I could have easily picked if I
were the one picking. So I'm very enthusiastic about a
lot he does. I don't think it's desly changed a lot.
(52:05):
The one thing I think it's going to be different
this time is he's not going to mess around the
first time around, he had to figure out, you know,
government how to run it, how to get people in positions,
and he had a lot of resistance from the party.
Now he is the party, He's got the pick of
the party for people to work for him. The institutional
Republican forces are not as strong anymore. They also know
(52:25):
that he is more popular than they are, so I
think more can get done. But still somebody has to
watch the piggybank, and somebody has to watch the debt
because there are still many Republicans up here. The only
thing they want to do is reconciliation, is bust the
military caps. And you know which really spending is spending.
We had to spend some for the military, but we
can't bank ourselves on the military either.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
How how hopeful are you about those and these kind
of outside advisory efforts to help rein in the spending, Senator.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Paul, I'm enthusiastic about what they're talking about because it's
what I'm talking about for a decade. Pointing it out
is the easier part, though, But I'm all in for him.
I know Vivek Ralswami well. I communicate with him regularly
and we have the same sort of ideas on this.
I do think it's going to take Congress's action. There
are two executive actions they could do, and they think
(53:17):
they have the power to impoundment. The law was written
against them. They're probably going to be rejected in court
on empowerment. And I'm not positive the money actually goes
back to the treasury. I'm not sure where the money
goes when you have found it, but I do know
that the other tool is legal, and that's called recision.
So let's say they Congress sends them a billion dollars
to build an aircraft carrier and Elon Musks goes out
(53:39):
there and he looks at every nut, screw and bolt
and saves two hundred million, which is really probably possible.
And everything he looks at, Let's say he saves two
hundred million, he wants to send it back to Congress
to put back in the treasury. That's called recision, and
it's an expedited vote, meaning it has to come to
a vote, can't be filibustered. And it's a simple majority.
So we have a simple majority in the House and
(53:59):
the Senate. If we had a simple majority with any
kind of guts at all, we'd cut hundreds of billions
of spending. But what you have to prepare yourself. And
a lot of people realize is we tried a fifteen
billion dollar recision package in the first Trump administration. They
sent fifteen billion back in today's trillion dollar deficits. That's
the pittance, and it's still lost. We got forty eight Republicans,
(54:21):
lost lost two Republicans, and we lost fifty to forty
eight on a recision package. So we still have to
do it. And I encourage them every time. Do hundreds
of billions, but come up here and lobby the big
government Republicans. Make sure everybody in their state knows that
they're voting to cripple the country through debt. And this
is where Elon and Vivek having a big microphone or
(54:42):
an amazingly large microphone could maybe convince some of these
big government Republicans to do the right thing and vote
for recision or cutting spending.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Senator Paul will see you and some of your staff,
and hopefully your wife, who I know has great taste
in radio, hopefully round some of the inaugural events. And
thanks for every Thank you for everything you're doing.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Thank you, Sam.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
That's Center Rampaul of Kentucky breaking down what he sees
right now in the Senate. We'll be back put set
the table here a bit for you for the final
hour of the program with Joe Biden in office. That's
fun to say, isn't it. That's a lot of fun
to say. That coming up just in a minute. But
prize picks. Buck just ducked away. But I had to
(55:24):
tell him in a break that it's not Sequon Barkley,
it's Saquon, and he was like, what are you talking about.
I was like, no, no, it's pronounced Saquon, and he
already went and placed his bet. And in Florida, at least,
you are not allowed to put in multiple different more
or less from one player. So I'm gonna dive one
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Welcome into the Friday edition of The Clay Travis end
Buck Sexton Show. To Friday. That's already looking forward to
Monday for a lot of us excited not just for
the weekend, but for the next week to begin, because
Donald J. Trump will be sworn in on Monday once
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again as president. Forty seven president of these United States.
Is very exciting. It has been a long and bleak
four years of the Biden regime and we are looking
forward to this change. I know so many of you
are incredibly excited about it. So this is a weekend
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of tremendous anticipation. We've got some news breaking today. A
few things will be getting to Biden deciding that he
can just ratify the Equal Rights Amendment because he says so,
or something, we'll talk about it. You've got Christy Gnoam
on Capitol Hill, governor South Dakotas soon to be the
head of the Department of Homeland Security, a very very
(01:05):
important post because of the immigration and immigration enforcement provisions
and powers under it. The Supreme Court just upheld that
federal law that would make TikTok go dark starting on Sunday.
I think Trump is going to save it at the
last minute. I just don't believe they're going to let
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this thing go the way that it currently stands. We'll
dive into all of that, but I will say Clay
and I are having to go deep into our closets
because it is going to be about as cold as
it gets in Washington, d C. For this inauguration. We
are going. Clay wanted a party, so we're going to party,
(01:51):
and I'm trying to find like I'm gonna try to
dress like I live in the polar Arctic North. And
they're now saying, Clay, give us the latest update. They're
actually changing up the inauguration. They say because of the cold.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
This was posted by Trump five minutes ago. January twentieth
can't come fast enough. I mean, this is typical Trump. Everybody,
even those initially opposed to President Donald J. Trump and
the Trump administration, just wanted to happen. He says, it's
his obligation to protect the people of our country. But
before we even begin, we have to think of the
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inauguration itself. The weather forecast for Washington, d C, with
the wind chill factor, could take temperatures into severe record lows.
There's an Arctic blast sweeping the country. I don't want
to see people hurt or injured in any way dangerous
conditions for the tens of thousands of law enforcement first responders,
police canines, even horses, and hundreds of thousands of supporters
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that will be outside for many hours on the twentieth.
In any event, if you decide to come, please dress formally. Therefore,
this is all from Trump. Therefore, I have ordered the
inauguration address, in addition to prayers and other speeches, to
be delivered in the United States Capital Rotunda, as was
used by Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty five. Also, because
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of very cold weather, the various dignitaries and guest will
be brought into the Capital. This will be a very
beautiful experience for all, and especially for the large TV audience. Now, Buck,
you can imagine the mad scramble that this has put on,
because they have already built the rostrum, the location for
(03:39):
where the inauguration typically takes place, hundreds of thousands of
seats and whatnot being laid out, and now everybody is
going to be inside. I don't even have any sense.
Maybe somebody out there knows in our audience how many
people you could even fit in the Capitol rotunda. I
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know it's a big open air area.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Not as many as you can fit on the mall
and the surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So I would think just a few thousand buck and
you know you want every congressman, every congressman's wife or
husband is gonna come, the cabinet, the all of the
CEOs that are gonna be there. I mean, this is
gonna be a mad dash to see who makes the cut.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
But the truth is, I, for example, a lot of
the sporting events I've been to, which is far fewer
than clay, it's more fun to watch it on TV
than it is to be there in person, unless you
have pretty amazing seats anyway, So for a lot of
for a lot of people, being able to enjoy this
virtually is really the best option anyway. I'm just I'm
(04:42):
just gonna say it, you know, standing in line and
going through security and being penned in and finding your
seat and everything else, especially when it's gonna be twenty
something degrees, which I know for our Minnesota and Montana
listeners is just another Monday, but for people in Washington,
d C. That is deep freeze level.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So this is the Floridians like you. I mean, Trump
moves to Florida and decides it's too cold for the
inauguration to take place outside as a joke in and
of itself, and he's got a lot of Floridians in
his cabinet.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
If I put like six pastel sweaters on top of
each other, will I be warming off? That's what I
have to figure out here. If I just take all
of my STRETCHINGO shorts aren't gonna cut it. Yeah, it's
gonna be it's gonna be a brisk, it's going to
be chilly. But I will say there is so much
the you know, the feeling that I see Clay just
(05:34):
on social media from talking to people from I think
that there's excitement, but there's also a lot a feeling
of relief. I mean, this Biden administration, it has just
been four years of an insult to the intelligence of
the American people. The whole thing, though, the whole all
four years has just been he is a bonehead, He
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is a jerk. The people around him are incompetent. The
country has suffered because of it. You know, it feels
like a Shawshank moment when he finally gets out into
the rain. One more bit of news and I sign
off on the Shawshank analogy.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They are going to do a presidential parade that will,
I guess end at Capital One Arena, which is where
the Washington basketball team plays, where the Washington Capitals play,
and he says he will join the crowd at Capital
One Arena after his swearing in. All other events will
(06:34):
remain the same. So they're going to open up Capital
One Arena on Monday. Now, Buck, I don't know how
many Capital One Arena can fit. Maybe thirty thousand would
be my guest. I don't know if they have the
floor covered in seats. I know there's around twenty thousand seats.
I've been there for sporting events several times in the past,
but I would imagine that people are going to start
(06:56):
lining up for that thing to be able to be
there on a on the inauguration day soon.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'm also gonna tell you Antifa doesn't like the cold.
The ladies there who really likes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The cold, maybe downtown, the hill slit skiers, maybe a
few like amazing athletes on the ice.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm just saying, though, the whatever whatever, uh, you know,
low scale mayhem. Some of the angry leftists may have
thought they were going to engage in on this day now,
not when it's this cold outside. You know, it's just
you know, they're there, their little their little fingers get
a little too frost bitten for them to be running
around and spray painting and throwing things at cops and everything.
(07:39):
So uh, in a sense, I think it'll be a
a more orderly, if more frigid inau curation day.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Let me also point this out, and I know that
having been through what we were through in Butler and
what we were through in Florida, is there anybody else
out there who's antenna kind of go up when you hear, hey,
we're moving things inside? About whether there might have been
some form of actionable threats against Trump and other people
(08:09):
on the dais.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think there's always for well, for President Trump going
into an inauguration, there's going to be threat chatter that
that's found by the different law enforcement entities out there.
By the way, Capitol One Arena, our team just pulled
at twenty thousand, three hundred and fifty six. It's a
little bigger than Madison Square Garden, then, right, Madison Square garden.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But I'm wondering if they're going to be able to
have a bunch of on floor seating, which is why
I was saying maybe they can get it up close
to thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know, we're standing room on the ground floor.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I you know, that's a big area where they typically
would have the ice or the basketball court. So, yes,
twenty thousand seats, but I wonder anyway, it's going to
be hard to get in there if you are a
diehard Trump supporters.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Well, says capacity. So I would assume that includes like
fire code. I mean, this is the People's Republic of
DC we're talking about. That's good point. Yeah, I'm not
sure they're going to be you know, it's not like
a frat party that's just going too late, too long.
They're gonna just let everybody in, right, So I think
that Look, it's going to be quite a day on Monday.
We've all been waiting for it, and and really we'll
(09:11):
talk a lot about this today on the show. This
is just the feeling I think that we all have,
and you know, Clay and I are going to be
celebrating this weekend, trying to keep our feet warm as
well while we walk around the streets of DC, it's
going to be quite quite chilly, But this is an
incredible place for the country to be in. And if
you had told me that, we would be sitting here
(09:33):
talking about Trump's inauguration being moved inside because of the cold.
After four criminal indictments, the New York State lawsuit, the
civil the you know e g. Carol civil lawsuit, the
two impeachments, two assassination attempts. You know, if you told
me that we could we could get into two years ago,
(09:56):
if we could have hopped into a time machine and
gone to this moment in time, I think a lot
of us would have said, oh my gosh, absolutely if
we have the option to just fast forward to this
knowing that the alternative has been defeated. So I think
it's an amazing feeling that a lot of people have
right now, Clay that Trump has. This is now completing
(10:17):
the biggest political comeback of our lifetime, maybe of all time,
at least in American politics. I don't know how else
you could you could stack this up. So it's gonna
be It's gonna be quite a day. And I think Trump,
We're gonna find out this weekend has saved TikTok for
ninety for at least ninety days, So we we can
(10:37):
look up how to build a fire, you know what
I mean, we could look up how to start a
fire so we don't freeze to death in DC.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You are going to be free We're both flying up
to DC. In fact, I'm gonna duck out because I
got to make a flight right at the end of
the show today. But I'm already laughing a little bit
about how cold buck is going to be in DC. Cohen,
what's temperature today?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
At Miami? It's like seventy two. It's like seventy two degrees, Yeah,
maybe seventy three.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I you lived in DC. I went to college there.
It's underrated how cold DC gets in the winter.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't. I mean, it's much more akin to the
Northeast than it is the south.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's kind of like it's a wet it's a wet
cold too. It's a wet, bureaucratic, unfriendly cold. It's not good, windy,
way windier than I ever anticipated. I've been a lot
of cold cities, Let's be honest. I understand all of
you right now in Minneapolis and in in a Milwaukee Buffalo.
(11:36):
Buffalo's my wife's hometown in Detroit. A lot of you
in those states are just like, you're just a bunch
of total hosses. And I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But it is funny that Trump moves to mar A
Lago where it's probably about the same temperature right now,
and he's like, yeah, you know this this cold weather stuff.
We're just gonna do what Reagan did. Move indoors when
there's I think you have the brown fat. They talk
about this sometimes, like the which is helpful for insulation
for the cold. I gotta say, once you move to
(12:04):
a warm enough climate, clay that's all gone and you
just shake when you go somewhere cold.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I lived in the US Virgin Islands for a couple
of years, and I when I first got there, I
thought it was funny.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
The locals would be like, we don't get in the water.
You gotta go to the beach in December and January?
Are you crazy?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And then all the people come in off the cruise
ships and you know, they flood the beaches and it
feels it is funny. By the second year there, I
was like, Man, who are these crazy people getting in
the water in the Caribbean in January.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
All Right, you guys, I.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Mean it is funny how your blood changes based on
where you live. All right, buck, speaking of changes, you
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I do a singular pick. I have a singular pick.
I'm I'm give my four and.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Then you give this one. And if we're right on this,
this will pay off at one hundred to one. So
this is a real long shot. Here, where's my four? Buck,
Derrick Henry less than ninety six and a half yards rushing.
This is all mine are from the Bill's Ravens game,
which is the best game of the weekend in my
opinion for the NFL.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Lamar Jackson less than fifty.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Four and a half yards rushing. It's possible, Buck, we're
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Speaker 1 (15:02):
The final show.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
That we will ever do with Joe Biden as President
of the United States. Hallelujah, we have made it, Buck.
They announced us in May of twenty twenty one, So
we appreciate all of you listening all over the country.
There has never been a show that you and I
have done together when Joe Biden has not been President
of the United States. Very sad, but at long last
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that will end. Come the start of the show on Monday,
so we talked about this. What is Biden's legacy? His
entire time in office is basically at an end. Have
you seen, Buck, there are reports that Biden is thinking
(15:53):
about giving a pardon to Trump. Have you seen these
reports that are out there as sort of a desperate
hail Mary play for his own legacy, and a part
of me wonders if he might do it because of
the conversations that we have had otherwise, what is Biden's legacy?
He's I can't even think of like what the pitch
(16:15):
would be.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I think that if I were Biden's advisor, first I'd
have to wake him up, and you know, then I'd
have to make sure that he knows who I am
and take a few minutes. But eventually, what I would
say to him is he should pardon Donald Trump, because
then he can go out on this. I'm a unifier,
(16:37):
it's been a hard fought battle, blah blah, however you
want to, you know, phrase it. That's right. He did
this weird, this weird announcement about the Equal Rights Amendment
is now the law of the land. People just kind
of laughing at him, like, that's not how it works, buddy.
You don't just you don't just decide that the Constitution
says something different on your way out and then expect
(16:59):
everybody to jump to it. But this would be an
opportunity for him to pardon Donald Trump and do something
that he could at least walk out saying he tried
to unite the country, because remember, he ran on uniting
the country and then was incredibly divisive. He ran on
the United Country did nothing to actually bring Americans together.
(17:19):
In fact, I would argue he was especially on the
COVID stuff. I could give specifics on it, you know,
the winter of death, a deeply divisive president.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So yeah, I think, as you break it down, we said,
I think we said on the show a while ago
that certainly we expected him to pardon Hunter. And I
took the next step and I said, if you're going
to pardon Hunter, you should go ahead and part in Trump.
You should pardon a lot of people because it would
take some of the attention off of what is a
(17:51):
nakedly individualistic decision that is designed to protect your own family.
You at least try to argue, Hey, the time for
partisan politics is over. I'm pardoning Hunter, who I think
has been targeted politically because of me, and I'm pardoning
Donald Trump and all his family or whatever else because
(18:13):
it's time to turn the page and begin a new era.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I still think there would have.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Been criticism, but it would have seemed like more of
a statesman like decision as opposed to what he did,
which is engage in a nakedly beneficial for his own
family act while pretending that he is committed to the
rule of law. So the reason why I think it
might happen, Buck is your point on the Equal Rights Amendment,
(18:40):
the final address. It feels like there's a certain flailing
hell Mary style where you're starting to recognize, wait a minute,
we've lost the game. Is there anything just outside of
the realm of normalcy that we can try to pull
off that changes the trajectory of what otherwise is going
(19:02):
to be? I think judged to be one of the
worst presidencies, if not the worst, in the twenty first century,
and the one of the worst, if not the worst,
in the last fifty or sixty years. And so I
think there's a desperation setting in because you and I
have asked, and by the way, open phone lines on
this eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two.
(19:23):
Every now and then we have left wing callers and
you can listen. We hope we can persuade you with
our our arguments, no matter what your background is, and
no matter what your politics are. I don't even know, Buck,
if I tweeted this, and we've talked about it some,
if I were trying to be the spinmeister for Joe
(19:45):
Biden's entire tenure, It's hard for me to even focus
on something and say, boy, Biden really nailed this. I
just I as we look back, and it's like, you know,
post script on Biden now, because this is his last
weekday as president of the United States. I can't even
(20:06):
think of anything where I say, you know what, the
country is better off now than it was when he
came into office. And you know how hard that is
to do. When you're president. You have to make so
many decisions and there's so many different moving parts and
obstacles foreign domestic that you're addressing. I can't think of
anything that Biden did where he's leaving the country in
(20:29):
better shape for Trump then he took it from Trump,
except for COVID, and that is entirely a function of
everybody just having gotten COVID, and eventually a virus goes
away once everybody gets it. That's basic virology. That would
have happened no matter who the president was. They're trying
(20:49):
to say, oh, he brought us through COVID and he
solved the COVID. No he didn't. I mean, he just
happened to be there. If Trump had been president, COVID
would have petered out. I honestly believe in the same
way that it did with I mean, what's your I
guess maybe leaving Afghanistan, even though he left in a
disastrous fashion, he ended that war. It's just hard for
(21:09):
me to come up with a strong argument for why
all of us aren't worse off substantially in every facet
of our lives. Sadly that the president has to impact
than we were before he came into office.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think it's, as I've been saying, a presidency of
failure from every possible perspective. Republicans don't like the things
he tried to do. Democrats recognize he wasn't even able
really to do very much that they wanted him to.
And the results for the country, right, So there's the
partisan perspectives, and then there's the results for the country.
(21:45):
And I think that we haven't talked about it as
much lately, but the most open border for the illegal
invasion of this country in its history, over ten million
illegals piling it in four years, and doing so because
of Biden policy, because of Biden decisions, because with the
Democrat Party put out there as the messaging to the
world on this issue, and also by their actions with
(22:07):
their lack of enforcement, to say that ten million people
illegally enter the United States, while Joe Biden was president
for only four years. Is I think that alone is
enough to say that this is a disastrous presidency. And
then when you add on to it the trillions of
dollars of completely unnecessary spending that shot up inflation of
the highest level in forty years. And then on top
(22:28):
of that just the divisiveness and the the unwillingness of
Joe Biden to confront the true lunatic contingent in his party.
The you know, men can become women and the just
just find the most radical climate change lunatics, you know,
(22:49):
the ones who were gluing themselves to paintings and things.
I know that's in Europe, but you know, same kind
of mentality here that he would never say to them,
stop being a bunch of babies. We have to run
this country like adults. Is something that doesn't surprise me.
But it really just goes to what a lack of
character Joe Biden has always suffered from. So I think
top to bottom, it's a awful presidency for the country,
(23:12):
and the only upside of it is what we're about
to experience on Monday, which is the greatest political comeback
and the clearest mandate with the most tools at his
disposal that Donald Trump has ever had. So you know,
America is healing, as you're seeing a lot of people
say online, America is healing.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Speaking of healing, we talked about the Lake and Riley
Act that passed the House with some Democrat support, and
John Fetterman came out and said, we need to be
able to get some at least seven senators to break
through the filibuster and get to sixty. You want to
talk about America changing. Ten Democrats have joined every Republican
(23:52):
in the Senate to break the filibuster on the Lake
and Riley Act. To me, that's pretty significant, buck that
we talked about, and it's probably not gonna surprise you.
Here are the states where those senators are from. Nevada, Arizona,
New Hampshire, and now I'm gonna run into a name
(24:15):
I don't know. I think New Hampshire, Georgia, New Hampshire
and Michigan, Michigan and Virginia. What of all this represent?
These are places that Trump either one or nearly one.
Kelly sorry is from Arizona as well. I forgot his
(24:36):
name for a second there, astronaut Mark Kelly. So you've
got all these different states. Remember Trump one Nevada double
Democrat senators, Trump one, Arizona double Democrat senators, Trump one,
Michigan double Democrat senators, Trump one, Wisconsin one Democrat senator,
Trump one, Pennsylvania flip day senate. See Fetterman has left there.
(24:57):
I just think this is super interesting that Democrats are
now not lining up in full resistance against Trump. A
lot of them are saying, hey, you know what, we
need to be involved in many of his priorities in
twenty twenty five, which is a testament to how much
the ground underneath all of this has actually taken place
(25:20):
and how substantial all all of this is. By the way,
also we'll mention this because we teased it five million
dollars in compensatory damages against CNN. You texted me about this.
In that verdict for defamation, it now is on to
punitive damages. Some states restrict how much more punitive damages
(25:41):
can be given on top of a verdict. I'm not
sure what Florida trial law is in that respect.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Some states do not. So we will see what is
permissible under the law and also what happens. But CNN
is according to a Florida jury fake news, they committed deathmation.
They are now liable for five million dollars and we'll
see what sort of punited damages can be put on
top of that before all is said and done. I
(26:11):
think that that's a more It's funny, that's a more
reasonable settlement than some of the things we've seen. But
it's not reasonable in so far as other networks have
been hit with much more for much less. You know, Yeah,
you know. So it's this is yeah, if somebody goes
on TV and says something that's a lie about you
get a check for five million dollars from them. Seems
(26:32):
pretty close to what But look at what happened Rudy
jew What was the Rudy Giuliani verdict?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh don't I think he settled it now. But he
would have been This is important what you're pointing out
for the Georgia election poll workers lawsuit. He would have
been better off legally from a damages perspective, having committed
wrongful death than.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He was to have said mean things about them allegedly
in the public. In other words, wrongful death buck is
typically a formula that's pegged, where if you run over
somebody in a crosswalk and you're responsible for it. The
wrongful death that someone can gain is a function of
how many years of life they have left in general,
(27:14):
and also what their income is. In other words, you
plug that formula in and you say, okay, this is
what the damage's scope could look like. These individuals in
Georgia got more money from Rudy Giuliani for him saying
mean things about them than they would have if he
had actually committed a crime that led to their death.
And also I think that the venue shopping that has
(27:36):
gone on here totally is very clear, because usually you
have to have malice for there to be I know,
it depends on news organization. There's a lot of different
little tests and rules with these things. But in the
case of Rudy Giuliani with the election poll workers, I
think he always asserted that he truly believed what he
was saying wasn't intentionally He wasn't intentionally lying about anybody,
(28:00):
and generally speaking, that's going to be something unless they
can prove your reckless. But then they said he's reckless
because it's election stuff, and that becomes very political obviously, right,
So anyway, five million dollars against CNN is a dropping
the bucket. I mean they pay some of their you know,
third tier anchors that unfortunately, but they well maybe second
tier anchors, but they are are on notice, I think
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Clay that they can't just get away with absolutely whatever
they want to do. We'll take some calls coming up here,
and also we've got Senator Rampaul joining us at the
bottom talk about what's going on on Capitol Hill. You've
got Christy Nome soon to be the head of Department
of Homeland Security, assuming everything goes as planned with the
Senate confirmation, which I think it will, so we'll talk
about it. You know, we've got a crazy weekend ahead
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in DC and we're gonna be running all over the place.
We're gonna need a whole lot of energy, especially me
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Speaker 1 (30:08):
Welcome back in to Clay and pack our last hour
on the air with a Biden president, at least officially speaking,
a Biden president. So we will we will be joining
you on Monday from DC in order to help bring
in and celebrate the fantastic and very exciting second term
(30:30):
of President Donald Jay Trump. It will be a bit
frosty in our nation's capital. They're moving it indoors, or
at least some of the celebration indoors, So there's that
going on. And yes, mister Clay, I think overall this
is going to be very, very exciting. I did check
out and the team was pulling very quickly. The pardon issue.
(30:55):
Can somebody basically say I don't want your pardon? The
answers yes, historical precedent for it, where people in the
past have said no, I don't I don't want the pardon.
So you know, are you that's a real test of
your convictions. If your Liz Cheney, let's just say, and
Biden offers you an eleventh hour pardon here, Oh she's
(31:16):
taken preemptive. You think she's definitely taking it right? Yeah,
but I don't think.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I mean, I could be wrong, clearly, but based on
what Trump did on his first term, I think now
that he's won, the chances of Trump coming in and
really trying to put people that he beat in prison
or charge them with crimes is actually low. Now, maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe they end up investigating, and I'm not
(31:41):
saying these people haven't committed crimes. That's that's where I'm
let's be clear. But even with Hillary, Trump was like, hey,
you know, actually I don't think it makes that much
sense publicly, he said to put her in prison. I
to most people like I kind of feel sorry for
Liz Cheney because she's been wrong on everything and her
political career is over and her dad is the worst
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vice president ever and she can go get hired by
some lobbying firm and make money. But the idea that
she's ever going to be in any kind of leadership position,
to me is is crazy. And she got smoked in Wyoming,
So where is she going to go?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And people are going to like her?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know, they actually did the data which you and
I I think kind of hit on saying that Liz
Cheney was endorsing Kamala and that Dick Cheney was actually
hurt Kamala Because who are the people out there that
are diehard Cheney people who were also going to be
voting for Kamala. That Lincoln Project universe, there's like twenty
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eight dudes in that entire universe, and they've managed to
make like two hundred million dollars off of it, So
I guess credit to them. But this idea that there's
a huge anti Trump contingent pro Dick Cheney and Liz
Cheney contingent of the Republican already, it's crazy. Are there
Democrats that like Republicans who rip other Republicans? Sure, but
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the idea that there was somehow going.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
To swing vote change the outcome of the election, it
actually blew up in Kamala's space in the reverse. I
think it actually turned people against her. Yes, And it
also was the case that all of the celebrity endorsements
and having the Beyonce appearance and the other you know,
artists and all this stuff, none of that mattered at all.
(33:30):
A billion five in spending didn't matter at all. You're
also seeing I might note that Joe that Biden and
Kamala were huge recipients of what's called quote dark money,
you know, from different groups that don't have to disclose.
So this just goes along with Democrats have more billionaires
than Republicans do supporting their candidate. They have more of
the ultra high dollar industry, and and you know, sort
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of corporate America in those industries, notably tech and finance,
support them. They get more dark money than Republicans do.
And yet they still play this game of you know,
we're we're for the little guy. I mean, it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's one thing for them to play the game. It's
another thing for people like Jim Acosta and Joy Reid
and Rachel Maddow and all these other individuals to line
up and say, yes, boy, what oppression address? What an
incredibly forward thinking perspective. Biden provided. Everything he said was
a lie. And in the wake of giving George Soros
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to the Presidential Medal of Honor, and to your point, Buck,
in the wake of raising one and a half billion dollars,
they were way more billionaires supporting Kamala Harris than supporting
Donald Trump. So to claim that Republicans are somehow the
party of the oligarchy is just factually inaccurate. And it's
the same kind of inaccuracy. Lies would be another word.
(34:53):
When Biden says, hey, the Red States are doing really bad. Actually,
Red states demographically economically growth rates.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Are doing far better than the Blue States and it's
not even close. Yeah, well, truth is not really Biden's
strong suit. Neither is observation, competence or competence, leadership, staying
awake during meetings. I mean, you know, there's a lot
that Biden is Look, it's going to be better for
him as a person now that he's no longer having
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to play the play the role of president, which is
I think what has really been going on here. I
think that Biden all along has been essentially a puppet
of the advisors around him, and everyone's known that, and
all it is is just playing off of the brand
that he's been able to create in fifty years of
politics in eight years as Obama's VP, and he's a
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name that people know, and that was really it. There
was no vision, there was no leadership. I mean, that's
been obvious the whole time, even from the very beginning
of his four years. His age factors in here, I
think so. But I don't think we're ever gonna hear
or see much of Biden for the rest of his life,
however long that might be. Presidents have different post presidencies.
(36:09):
I think Jimmy Carter recognized, Man, it was a disaster.
I'm gonna try to make good. He was still a
relatively young man. Bill Clinton certainly has been very active.
Barack Obama's somewhat active. I would say George W. Bush
is kind of just vanished, right, Like, you barely ever
see him doing any kind of public venue. Even seeing
him at the Jimmy Carter funeral, I was kind of
cognizant of the fact that we rarely see him anywhere.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I mean, he's just kind of vanished. I think Biden
will vanish. I think he'll go up into into Delaware
and I think we'll barely hear anything from him. I
think Democrats want him to vanish, much like they did
Jimmy Carter. I don't think they want to try to
burnish his credentials. Nobody's gonna seek his endorsement in a
significant fashion, to the extent he's capable of giving one.
In twenty twenty eight, Carter didn't vanish, though, Jimmy Carter,
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you know, no, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Jimmy Yer is the opposite.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Like I think Jimmy Carter was trying to redeem what
was a failed presidency, I think. But I think probably
of the last twenty five years or so, George W.
Bush has been the least public of a former president.
I think that Biden will be even less public than
George W.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Bush. I think he's going to vanish. Yes, well, he's
also eighty three years old, eighty eight years old, so yeah,
I mean, just he was going to be a lifestans
if he had been re elected.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
He was.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I mean, which is it looks even crazier with every
day of his administration coming to a close that they
ever attempted to say we're going to have an eighty
six year old president.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Isn't it when you think about it, that they that
they tried to drag the country into that. And these
are the same people who lectured us for years about
how irresponsible it was to make Trump the president. Right,
That's the part is you go, wait a second, it's
the same people that say that Trump shouldn't be president
and we know, thankfully they didn't get their way. Are
(38:00):
the ones who have been part of this game that
Joe Biden was just fine. And I think this is
the biggest single scandal in a sense of the entire
Biden term. And it's also what has just completely newtered
the anti Trump opposition. Everybody that has been an anti
(38:20):
Trumper went along with until they couldn't anymore. The Biden
is just fine. So they're all liars. They're all clearly liars.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And just remember they spent four years saying the twenty
fifth Amendment should be put in place because of Trump.
Almost none of them ever said anything about the twenty
fifth Amendment in Biden. To your point, they spent four years,
and Trump, whenever you think about him, tells you exactly
what he thinks, manages as he thinks is the most
successful version of the president. Biden should have been twenty
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fifth Amendment. Like, there's no way that he should have
been allowed to stay in power as long as he was.
To me, it's the single most reckless enabling act that
has ever occurred for the presidency in any of our lives.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Nobody was alive.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I don't think listening to us right now when Woodrow
Wilson had a stroke and his wife Edith basically ran
the White House, which is what they say now, I
can't believe that we ever ended up in a situation
where so many people who are supposed to be focusing
on disinformation and misinformation and cheap fakes. They let all
of this happen, and thank the Lord, come Monday, that
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entire era is over and it's time to start making
America great again. And I can't wait to see it
in person in DC. In fact, Buck, I am about
to walk downstairs and head to the airport where I
will meet up with you later this evening in Washington,
d C. You're going to close up the rest of
the show. We can't wait to be back with you
on Monday morning at noon Eastern, when Donald Trump will
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officially be the President of the United States. Thanks for
getting through the dark days of the Biden administration with
all of us mercifully, it's over all right.
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Speaker 2 (41:15):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are
joined by Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky. Appreciate him taking
the time to join us here in the middle of
the Senate confirmation process, and let's go ahead and start here, Senator,
right off the top, based on everything you're seeing, do
you expect everyone that Trump has put forward to be confirmed?
(41:36):
Is there any nervousness you have about any of these
nominees based on what you're hearing on Capitol Hill at
this point.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
You know, the hearing we did today was Governor Christy
nome I thought the Democrats were fairly reasonable and they're questioning.
I think she's gonna get bipartisan support. That's one you
know that has been my Committee Ross vote we did
a couple of days ago, and that's for omb office management.
He got more partisan response from the Democrats. I think
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he'll pass, but with Republican votes only unless he gets
one or two on the floor. So most of them
are going to go that way. A few of them
the Democrats will vote for, some of them will pass
with Republicans only. And then there's a couple of questions
on ones that who I think are real reformers, whether
or not some of the neo cons and the Republican
Party will will vote against them. These would be people
(42:25):
like Tulsea Gabbard, people like Cash Battel. You've got some
people who are institutionalists up here who believe that the
institution of big government is more important than principles, and
they don't want to be a disruptor in any of
those spots. But I'm thoroughly convinced people like Cash Battel,
Telsea Gabbard are necessary because politics has polluted our intelligence
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agencies and politics and polluted our domestic agencies like the FBI.
It's got to be gotten rid.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Of Senator Paul Where do you find Where do you
expect that RFK Junior is going to fall on this
spectrum in terms of opposition bipartisan support, just based on
what you already know of him. I know we still
have to hear from him on Capitol Hill, but there
are some who seem to think that are suggesting at
least that he may be a tougher pass for some
(43:17):
members of the Senate.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know, I'm an enthusiastic supporter of his I'm also
an enthusiastic believer that vaccines were one of the biggest
medical miracles ever in all of modern medicine, really beginning
with the inoculation for smallpox back in the seventeen hundreds,
culminating really with polio vaccine and moving forward. That said,
I'm for voluntarism. I'm for parents making a choice, and
(43:40):
if something's good for you, sell me on it. I'll
give you an example, the smallpox vaccine. The initial one
was an inoculation with the smallpox. They took it from
somebody who had a few pocks and not much of
a disease. They unroofed a scab, took us and stuck
it in somebody else's arm. But in those days, the
death rate from smallpox is one in three. The death
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rates from the vaccine was not insignificant. It was one
in fifty, and yet people took it by the thousands
without a mandate death rate one in fifty for the
inoculation death rate one and three for smallpox. So people
are not stupid people. This is where the elitists get
it wrong. They think we're all too stupid to make
a rational decision because parents won't give their kid a
COVID vaccine. Well, parents have seen that COVID is a
(44:23):
non deadly disease for kids, and there is a small
but measurable risk of a heart inflammation with it. I
think RFK is going to be honest about vaccines. I
think he's going to present honest studies and let people
make judgments, and really, you can have less vaccine hesitancy
if we have more testing, actually, and we show most
of the vaccines are probably pretty benign. But the thing
(44:44):
is is show us the testing. Let's go head to
head and tell us the truth. I still think probably
a COVID vaccine, if you're over seventy five or if
you're morbidly obese, you might want to take it, even
though COVID is not as dangerous as it was in
twenty twenty. But for kids, I don't think there's any
I don't think anybody in taking it because they're not
honest with us. Everybody's like, oh damn, I'm not believing
(45:05):
that anything the government tells me anymore because they're dishonest
about childhood vaccines for COVID. So I think rfk's going
to bring a healthy dose of honesty. I think he's
got a good chance of passing, but it could be close.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
We're talking to Senator Ran Paul about the confirmation process
and more. I want to ask you a hypothetical and
then I want to ask you in your world what
you think should happen. TikTok is set to officially theoretically
not be allowed to be shared on the app Store
on January nineteenth, that is Sunday, the day before the inauguration.
(45:37):
Yet based on everything we've heard from the Biden team,
they say they're not going to enforce it. They're going
to pass the buck to Trump. TikTok CEO scheduled to
be at the inauguration. Couple of part question here for you,
can you remember a bill that Congress passed and the
President signed that both parties now seem like they're kind
of saying, actually, we don't really want this bill to
(45:58):
go into effect. It seems more like a threat than
it was an actual implementation of a legislative and executive
authority action. And second, in your mind, what should happen
if you were given charge to try to get a
solution here?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
What should happen with TikTok?
Speaker 3 (46:15):
So it's extraordinary for a build of pass overwhelmingly. You know,
I voted against it because I'm for speech, but this
bill has passed overwhelmingly to ban it, And how everybody's
like wow, I came to the 're going to do it,
maybe we shouldn't do it. And I think there is
a possibility that under the law he'll be able to
grant at least a ninety day extension. Now what would
I do under it? I believe in free speech. If
(46:36):
you don't like Clay and Buck, turn them off. If
you really like them, record them and listen to them
over and over again all day long. You know, it's
freedom of choice. But let's say, well, it's complicated. They're
owned by a foreign entity. Even that's not really true.
About sixty percent of TikTok's ownerships international investors. Their CEO
is from Singapore, not from China. The two inventors were Chinese,
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but seven thousand American employees are part of this. So
to me, it's an illegal taking. You're taking somebody's business
without ever trying them a court. They say, oh, you're
sharing data with the Chinese Communist Party, Well prove it,
prove it in court. You can't just take my property
without proving something. That's an accusation. But it in between
would be this. There's something called sciphius. It's a committee
(47:19):
of something foreign investment. It's like when a adversary country
owns something that's in our us, we look at it
and see if we can get board that distinguishes them
and distances them from their country. So there are companies
like this. I know of a company. I'm not going
to mention the names. I don't want to hurt them,
but fifteen hundred Americans work for this company. It's a
good company, not as big as TikTok any means, but
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it's some but three Chinese investors they say, some of
them are, you know, related to the Chinese Comage Party.
Everybody in China has some relation to the Chinese Commage Party.
But what they did is they set up an American board.
There's only Americans on it, no Chinese citizens on it,
and it's sort of a firewall. TikTok is offered to
do this. TikTok has offered to put all their records
on Oracle's cloud in housed in Texas, and so there's
(48:07):
all kinds of things that could be done in between
of it. But I really think it's an affront to
the First Amendment to tell one hundred and seventy million
Americans they can't use a means of expression on social media.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Senator Paul, I'm totally in agreement with you and have
been the whole time. And I've been looking around wondering,
you know, is everyone else in the Republican Party taking
crazy pills to me that they're taking property without proving
that any of the spying has happened. They think that
there could be spying going on, but yeah, there could
be a lot of different things. Why are so many
Republicans on board with this? Is this just the way
(48:40):
to look tough on China without having to actually do
anything about China.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Here's the most ridiculous argument. I heard this one three
times today. Well, the Chinese ban are social media companies,
so we should ban theirs. And it's like, well, that's
because that's Chinese authoritarianism. That's what we object to. That's
why we're America. We're not China. That's why we don't
reject free speech. It's just insane, but it is. It is,
and hysteria it is. They're hysterics running all around Congress,
(49:07):
mostly Republican but some Democrats too, and they want to
end all trade. They're gonna punish China by ending all trade.
And here's what I have to tell you. Look, I
don't like Chinese communism. I've written two books against Chinese communism,
The Case against Socialism and this you know Deception about
the Great COVID cover up in China and here. So
I have no love for the Chinese communists. But if
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you really like the idea of a free Taiwan, you
like the idea of that continuing. It's very unlikely that
there's going to be a war in which the US
goes to war with mainland China beats them and we
keep Taiwan free. It's much more likely that if we
have enough trade, both US China trade and US and
Taiwan trade and Taiwan China trade, that China will see
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it not in their interests, and that sounds weak. But
at the same time, if they don't do it in
their interests, I don't think there's a military solution, and
so we are better off telling the Chinese we will
continue to trade with you, but if you do take
Taywan bla force, guess what trade's over. So the threat
of ending trade is really about the best deterrence I
think we can have to keep them out of How on.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
You ran for President Sentator Paul against Donald Trump, back
in twenty fifteen, you worked with him from twenty sixteen
first term. How is Trump two point zero as he
prepares to take office here in twenty twenty five different,
if at all, from the guy that you met and
ran against back in twenty fifteen, And how in your
mind is Trump two point oh going to compare to
(50:33):
Trump one point oh in terms of efficacy?
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Based on what you see, I would say no.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Distinct philosophical difference is I think since he's been a
young man, he's been a protectionist and a big believer
that tariffs are the way to go now. And I
don't see eye to eye on man. I see tariffs
as a tax, and taxes are an impediment to trade
and prosperity. But what I would say is he's been
very consistent in that venue. He also often uses the
leverage of tariffs to try to get something else. So
(51:01):
the geopolitical weapon, uh, you know, it was part of
why we got remained in Mexico, which I thought was
very good and did work to keep people in Mexico
and deter the mass millions from coming across the border.
Something he's necessarily changed on that. I think he's been
good on taxes, good on PvP pointed to the court.
Relatively good on regulation. Good on regulation, i'd say, and
(51:22):
not so great on spending. And I think he's probably
about the same. And that's why you have to have
some deficit hawks like me that will stand up to
either Republican or a Democrat and say we can't keep
spending like drunken sailors up here. But for the most part,
you know, I will get along time. I was. I
over oversaw Governor Christinoams hearing today. One of his appointees.
I'm all in for her, got her through the hearing.
(51:44):
Same with russ. Vote for omb a vast majority of
an vote something. Many of these people are people I
would have picked. Marty McCarey at FDA, he's amazing, Jay
Bodicharia and Nih amazing, RFK at HHS. Many of these
people are people I could have easily picked if I
were the one picking. So I'm very enthusiastic about a
lot he does. I don't think it's desly changed a lot.
(52:05):
The one thing I think it's going to be different
this time is he's not going to mess around the
first time around, he had to figure out, you know,
government how to run it, how to get people in positions,
and he had a lot of resistance from the party.
Now he is the party, He's got the pick of
the party for people to work for him. The institutional
Republican forces are not as strong anymore. They also know
(52:25):
that he is more popular than they are, so I
think more can get done. But still somebody has to
watch the piggybank, and somebody has to watch the debt
because there are still many Republicans up here. The only
thing they want to do is reconciliation, is bust the
military caps. And you know which really spending is spending.
We had to spend some for the military, but we
can't bank ourselves on the military either.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
How how hopeful are you about those and these kind
of outside advisory efforts to help rein in the spending, Senator.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Paul, I'm enthusiastic about what they're talking about because it's
what I'm talking about for a decade. Pointing it out
is the easier part, though, But I'm all in for him.
I know Vivek Ralswami well. I communicate with him regularly
and we have the same sort of ideas on this.
I do think it's going to take Congress's action. There
are two executive actions they could do, and they think
(53:17):
they have the power to impoundment. The law was written
against them. They're probably going to be rejected in court
on empowerment. And I'm not positive the money actually goes
back to the treasury. I'm not sure where the money
goes when you have found it, but I do know
that the other tool is legal, and that's called recision.
So let's say they Congress sends them a billion dollars
to build an aircraft carrier and Elon Musks goes out
(53:39):
there and he looks at every nut, screw and bolt
and saves two hundred million, which is really probably possible.
And everything he looks at, Let's say he saves two
hundred million, he wants to send it back to Congress
to put back in the treasury. That's called recision, and
it's an expedited vote, meaning it has to come to
a vote, can't be filibustered. And it's a simple majority.
So we have a simple majority in the House and
(53:59):
the Senate. If we had a simple majority with any
kind of guts at all, we'd cut hundreds of billions
of spending. But what you have to prepare yourself. And
a lot of people realize is we tried a fifteen
billion dollar recision package in the first Trump administration. They
sent fifteen billion back in today's trillion dollar deficits. That's
the pittance, and it's still lost. We got forty eight Republicans,
(54:21):
lost lost two Republicans, and we lost fifty to forty
eight on a recision package. So we still have to
do it. And I encourage them every time. Do hundreds
of billions, but come up here and lobby the big
government Republicans. Make sure everybody in their state knows that
they're voting to cripple the country through debt. And this
is where Elon and Vivek having a big microphone or
(54:42):
an amazingly large microphone could maybe convince some of these
big government Republicans to do the right thing and vote
for recision or cutting spending.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Senator Paul will see you and some of your staff,
and hopefully your wife, who I know has great taste
in radio, hopefully round some of the inaugural events. And
thanks for every Thank you for everything you're doing.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Thank you, Sam.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
That's Center Rampaul of Kentucky breaking down what he sees
right now in the Senate. We'll be back put set
the table here a bit for you for the final
hour of the program with Joe Biden in office. That's
fun to say, isn't it. That's a lot of fun
to say. That coming up just in a minute. But
prize picks. Buck just ducked away. But I had to
(55:24):
tell him in a break that it's not Sequon Barkley,
it's Saquon, and he was like, what are you talking about.
I was like, no, no, it's pronounced Saquon, and he
already went and placed his bet. And in Florida, at least,
you are not allowed to put in multiple different more
or less from one player. So I'm gonna dive one
(55:45):
of these back from you if you are not able
to do it, to make your picks in your state
as well. Every state has a little bit different regulations.
Derrick Henry less than ninety six and a half yards,
you heard, my ten year old is not happy with
that pick. But I think they're going to stack the
line against the Ravens Lamar Jackson less than fifty four
(56:07):
and a.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Half yards passing. I think they're gonna make the Ravens
the Bills defense, throw.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
The ball Josh Allen more than one and a half
passing touchdowns, and Buck has gone all in on Saquon
Barkley with more than one hundred and thirteen yards rushing.
If we're right ten to one. If you can also
put in a pick for Lamar more than two hundred
and twenty and a half passing yards, do that as well.
That would pay out at one hundred to one. Here's
how you get fifty bucks. Go to pricepicks dot com.
(56:32):
Use my name Clay as your code. That's pricepicks dot com,
my name Clay ce La Y. When you play five
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Speaker 4 (56:48):
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