January 18, 2025 • 35 mins
Inflation tiks up. Democrat legacy of the past four years. Trump is better off winning this time vs. 2020. Former Speaker Newt Gingrich on his new documentary about legal immigration. Yael Eckstein on the Israel/Hamas deal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Buck gets going right now, Thanks
for being here with us. Bottom of the hour will
have Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
He's got a movie out he wants to talk.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
To us about Cruiser Ali says is excellent, so we
are looking forward to talking about it. We've also got
the breaking news today of a deal in principle agreed
to between Israel and Hamas for a ceasefire in the
Gaza Strip. This looks like it could be the end
(00:30):
of the fifteen month long war which began with the
horrific mass terror attack, mass casualty terror attack by Hamas
against Israel October seventh. And there's the exchange of hostages
that is likely to happen here. We don't know exactly
(00:51):
what the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Timeline is for that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
A lot of people that are pointing out that this
happening right before Trump takes office to be pretty strong,
a pretty strong indicator for Trump is part of the
catalyst here.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hamas does not want to go.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Into a situation where Trump feels like they are not
listening to what he made a very clear threat about,
which was you better return the hostages or I'm gonna
unleash holy hell on you. Essentially one other noteplay. Inflation
has ticked up to two point nine percent, they're saying,
and this is Wall Street Journal, underlying price gains are muted.
(01:29):
You know, inflation is still not where it's supposed to be.
And given the inflationary run up we had under Biden's
time in office, that is something that yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
No, no, you're right.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I was just going to add in I think it's
twenty one point seven percent. It's increased while Biden was
in office. Here is something that I think is alarming,
and I know a lot of our listeners out there
have noticed this. Mortgage rates haven't come down at all.
As the overall lending rate has come down, the Fed
funds rate has come down massively. Usually those move in concert.
(02:07):
What the market is telling us is inflation's not beaten,
to your point, and thirty year mortgage rates are back
up to seven percent. That is crippling to a lot
of people out there in terms of being able to
afford home. So I think that's maybe the most significant
thing that the market's telling us. It's inflation's not going away,
and we haven't beaten it yet.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes, So we're still still dealing with that, still handling
that situation, and hopefully going to get more of a
more of a handle on it here in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But you know, maybe maybe I'm feeling a little.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Bit of the nostalgia here, Clay, But I wanted to
take a moment to preview the farewell address of President
Joe Biden tonight. A five decade long career in politics.
He's going to be giving a speech at eight Easter
eight pm Eastern Time, and he's trying to lay out
(03:08):
his legacy. Now, I'm not going to be overly charitable
in my view of Biden. I've always thought I've always
thought that it's remarkable that he managed to create a
perception of him as a well, particularly in the latter years,
is like a friendly grandfather when.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Really he's a bully, a jerk.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And somebody who will do absolutely anything for political power,
serve the interests of credit card companies more than any
other constituency as a senator from Delaware, not somebody who
I think has anything to point to in public life
that has been particularly successful or selfless. I think the
biggest legacy, though, of his four years in office is
(03:54):
I think the whole thing is essentially overshadowed by people
will be for years to come talking about how we
had a senile president or a dementia patient president for
four years and it finally all collapsed and created a
massive credibility hits for Democrat media, the Democrat Party. I
(04:20):
think that the collapse of Joe Biden, Joe Biden's cognition,
if you want to put it that way, is the
single biggest story of his four years as president. Maybe
you know, I'm open having my mind changed, though here
is that completely ties in with what you're talking about.
CNN just released their final pull of Joe Biden's presidency,
(04:41):
and the numbers are devastating for anybody out there that
has any positive take. We were talking about the historic
legacy of Biden and what it would be. I think
yesterday on the program or a couple days ago. He's
giving his farewell address tonight as he gets ready for
his ride off into the sunset a CNN sixty one
(05:02):
percent of the people in the CNN poll considered Joe
Biden's presidency of failure. Failure is sixty one percent. That's
tough to pull off, Buck, When you're talking about half
the country eighty one. Every time I feel like we
have to say it in the future, we have to
put quotation eighty one million voters for Joe Biden in theory.
(05:24):
In twenty twenty, sixty one percent of people in America
consider his presidency of failure. Just thirty three percent view
Joe Biden favorably, fifty eight percent unfavorable, and only thirty
six percent of Americans approve of his presidency as he
leaves office. Putting that in context, the only president in
(05:45):
the modern era who has left office with lower rates
of approval George W.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Bush during the Iraq War and with the.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Whole financial crisis collapsing around him in two thousand and
eight two thousand and nine. That's the only president in
the modern era who has been anywhere near as unpopular.
Even Trump after jan sixth was more popular leaving office
than Biden is right now. It's pretty staggering indictment of
(06:18):
everything that Joe Biden did during his tenure. And to
your point on inflation, I think I think it's twenty
one point seven percent increase in the cost of goods
on average. Obviously, many things cost more, some things cost less,
but an average increased price since he came into office
of twenty one point seven percent. And it's the best
(06:38):
analogy you've heard on this buck. It's like putting on weight.
When you put on weight. What Biden's trying to do
in his inaugural, in his farewell addressed tonight, is he's
going to try to say we beat inflation. Well, the
market doesn't really agree, as we just talked about, with
seven percent mortgage rates for thirty years. But also all
he's done is slow the rate that he's putting on weight.
(07:02):
So you don't get fit by putting on forty pounds
and then saying, hey, this year I only added five more.
That weight is embedded. That's inflation. This twenty two percent increase,
twenty one point seven percent increase is never going away.
You feel it every time you go buy something. And that,
to me is the legacy of Biden.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And I think that it's interesting that you don't even
really have Democrats lining up alongside Biden on this to
solidify the legacy or to make the case that you know,
this has been a great presidency. I think they're still
all very disoriented and somewhat stung by what just happened.
(07:44):
They pushed Biden aside, they put Kamala forward. Kamala got destroyed.
Hard to think of how the election could have gone
much worse for Democrats, the total political damage all of this. Wait,
Biden's speaking right now. Oh yeah, he's talking about the
hostage deal. Oh he stopped. Okay, So Biden was speaking
about the hostage situation. I was making sure I was
(08:05):
my timing on all this was right. So yeah, and
Biden's of course going to say this is no surprise
that the hostage deal is because of you know, his
last minute work and everything else, even though this has
been going on for fifteen months. Uh, He's going to
try to take some kind of a political victory lap
on this. I don't think that's going to go over
as well as he would like it to. I also
(08:28):
think that whether it's CNNMSNBC, the New York Times of
Washington Post, they all feel very, very burned by what's
happened in this in this election where they decided to
push Biden out, they put Kamala forward, she got destroyed.
And now what what is really the takeaway of the
last four years play for Democrats? What was the at
(08:51):
best it was a stalling of Trump. Of Trump's second term.
I don't think there was no major agenda that they
were able to ram through. They spent a lot of
money and got inflation to be a huge problem for
the country and for them politically. A couple of wars
kicked off abroad that probably wouldn't have if Trump had
been president.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
When they're trying to come forward with the Biden legacy
of last four years, it's going out with a whimper.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
This is why I.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Made the argument it's hard to analyze history because you
don't know what's going to come in the future. And
I use the George W. Bush Iraq War as a situation.
If one hundred years from now we see the Middle
East as a flourishing democracy, people may point and say, hey,
that was a legacy of Bush's decision, even though it
wasn't popular. Then I don't think that's going to happen.
(09:41):
But that could be an argument historically that the George W.
Bush presidency looks better one hundred years from now than
it does now. I can't even point to you something
that the Biden team has done in four years that
is going to flourish as some great victory in the
decades ahead. And I think that's why the legacy of
Biden is going to be much like the legacy of Carter,
(10:05):
that he.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Was an accidental president.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And basically he did a poor job and he's completely forgot.
I can't even think of what his legacy is. And
Buck on your point, he stopped Trump for four years.
Arguably Trump would have been far less powerful if he
had won in twenty twenty then he is now winning
(10:28):
in twenty twenty four. Remember, he would have lost the House,
so he wouldn't have really been able to push anything
through in terms of legislative agenda for Republicans. At best,
he would have had a tie in the Senate, and
that's depending on how the election results would have ended
up in the Senate with the reelection, you know, the
(10:49):
runoff in Georgia. For anybody who loves Trump, it is
far better in retrospect now that he lost in twenty
because he wouldn't have had a Republican Congress and now
he's coming in in twenty four with both My point
on that is Biden didn't even stop Trump. Arguably Trump
(11:09):
if he had served a second term from twenty twenty
one to twenty twenty five. Now, I think the nation
would be better off, but what Trump could have actually
accomplished would have been far less.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I don't think Putin would have invaded Ukraine. I don't
think Hamas would have done October seventh, right, I think
the world would have been better off. But in terms
of American policies that Trump could put in place, I
think there's a very strong argument that Biden has actually
enabled a stronger Trump in twenty twenty five, five days
from now than he ever would have been if he
(11:41):
had won in twenty twenty Does that make sense? Like, so,
actually he's not only not even defeated Trump, he's actually
led to an ascendant Trump who is more powerful than
he would have been if Joe Biden had just lost,
because now Trump would be riding off into the sunset
himself and his tenure would be over. And we don't
know what would have happened in the twenty twenty four
(12:02):
election because it would have been a non incumbent election
on both sides.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think that they're if they could go back in time,
it's a it's an interesting question, do you really are
you really still glad that Biden won. And if you're
a Democrat, are you glad that Biden won in twenty
twenty or did that just create this situation where you
had four years of Democrat misrule and now the floor
(12:27):
has been cleared for Trump to just come in with
a with a with the Maga sledgehammer. And that's really
what it feels like right now. I Mean, I'm not
somebody who gets kind of over enthusiastic about these things,
but I'm looking around and the opposition to Trump is
just in tatters. It's just a fraction of what it
used to be. It's a it's a figment of what
(12:48):
we got used to for years. And I'm not even
what are they gonna do indict him a fifth time?
They can, he's president. What are they gonna do, They're
gonna beeach him.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
A third time? What do they think they're gonna pull off? Here?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Trump is going to accomplish far more in twenty twenty
five than I think he would have been able to do,
probably in four years, if he had won in twenty
twenty and take an office. And I think Democrats are
slowly recognizing that. So to your point, I Biden's gonna
give us farewell tonight. I'm not sure what an honest
recapitulation and analysis of the Biden tenure.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's bad now.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I just said he's got a sixty one percent of
Americans think his presidency was a failure, according to CNN.
What are we missing that could be considered a success
a generation from now? I can't even think of any
seeds that Biden has planted that are going to flourish
in twenty years or forty years from now we're going
to look at and say, hey, you know what he
got that, right, can you? I can't even think of
(13:44):
an example.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, no, I think it's a it's a really, really
tough job to be trying to cobble together some kind
of positive story.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
About Joe Biden's last four years.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think what it's going to be, and this is
why The New York Times and I think are putting
it forward as you know, a fifty year career in
public life. You know Biden, They're going to be talking about, oh,
the Crime Bill in the nineties and things that he
did as a senator, and you know, they'll talk about
the family tragedies that he's had they're going to have
to expand it well beyond his four years as president,
because I think it is I think it is true
(14:19):
to say that Biden, even from a Democrat perspective, Okay,
forget about what we as as people on the right think.
I think Biden's four years was a failure, a failure
from all viewpoint, in all respects. I think that he
failed to achieve the objectives of the Democrats and failed
(14:41):
to make things better for the country overall.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So it's a yeah, happy birthday to Joe Biden. I
don't know, it's kind of rough out there for Joe.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
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Speaker 2 (14:50):
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we're going to talk to New Gingrich at the bottom
of the hour. Here's what I'll say about the ceasefire.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And by the way, we Maydian put a table, put
a discussion on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I know I mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We're going to talk about that later this week because
TikTok is saying that they're going to allow which is
kind of crazy, the app basically to expire on Sunday.
Do we believe that we can still talk about it
on Thursday and Friday. Here's one of the things that
I think is the unfortunate reality of any resolution or
deal that is signed in with Hamas. They're still being
(16:40):
rewarded for taking hostages, and there is talk that they're
getting back ten Palestinian prisoners for everyone is released Israeli.
The challenge with all of this, everyone who takes hostages
basically gets rewarded. We saw the same thing happen with
Russia and Britney Griner and Evan Gersovich, whoever the people
(17:04):
are when Americans are taken hostage or when Israelis are
taken hostage by terrorists, when you negotiate in any way
with them, I understand wanting to get the hostages back,
but you're basically setting the precedent of why hostage taking
continues because there is a value that is given back.
That's why they took these people on October seventh. Yeah,
(17:28):
that's right, So it's a bitter suite. I'm glad that
we are getting some of these hostages back. But in
many ways we are seating the future taking of hostages
every time we engage in negotiations with terror groups to
get hostages back or kleptocratic, untrustworthy authoritarian governments. So I
don't want to be the Debbie downer here on the deal.
(17:50):
But in many ways Hamas is getting what they want
in this respect, because that's why they took the hostages
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
My name Clay, and welcome back into Clay and Buck
speaking New Gingrich of Well, i'm speaking New Gingrich fame.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
He is with us now.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He's got a new documentary, Journey to America with Newt
and Callista Gingrich, which features inspiring immigrant stories. Mister speaker,
appreciate you being with us. Before we get into the movie,
I'm just wondering, what's your sense of where we stand
historically now, about to begin the second Trump term and
(19:21):
putting an end to Biden's four years.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
What do you see immediately ahead for the country.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Well, I think this is an enormous shift. Trump is
a genuine populist. He wants to change the establishment, and
I think that he's going to end up being an
extraordinarily important president. And I think that we're going to
see that a lot of things just didn't work, but
(19:48):
now I think with Trump's leadership, we're going to see
the country turn around very fast, and I would suspect
that we're going to have a non distant future. I'm
a very dynamic country with a lot of economic growth
and with a lot of reforms.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Speaker new gingris with us. Now we were just talking
on the show. Let's pretend that you had to argue,
and I'm sure you've argued in the past. Debate sometimes
things you don't agree with, but you're a good debater.
Sixty one percent of Americans consider Biden's presidency a failure,
according to a CNN poll that just came out. Can
you point to anything in the last four years that
(20:28):
Joe Biden has done that has made America better?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
No, I mean, I'm pretty biased because I'm a conservative,
but it just you know, I mean, maybe withdrawing from
the race.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's a great answer. The only thing you could think
of that made America better was him not running. You
have dealt with getting things through the House and the
Senate a ton. When you look at twenty twenty five,
how much time does Trump have to really implement his
policies that next year Democrats are going to try to delay,
(21:03):
and the House and the Senate races will be up
again for mid terms. How imperative is going fast now?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Well, I think that it depends a large part on
how they approach it. If they do what Reagan did
and what Lincoln and Margaret Thatcher did, and they start
with the wishes of the American people, and I had
up a project called the America's New Majority Project, or
we look for the kind of issues where you can
(21:32):
get seventy and eighty sometimes even ninety percent support. If
they stick to that, they're gonna be able to get
things done all the way through because the American people
will be on their side and the American people will
force it to happen. Now, if, on the other hand,
they forget that and they start getting driven by Washington issues,
(21:53):
then I think you're right, and he may have a
relatively short time horizon to get things done.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
How do you view the timing of the hostage deal
and the cessation the formal cessation of the war between
Israel and hamas happening just days before Trump takes off
as mister speaker, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Thought somebody had a very shrewd comment a former ambassador
two Tel Aviv to Jerusalem rather who said, with Trump
coming in every day, the deal was going to get
worse for Hamas, and therefore if they didn't move now,
they were just going to be in more and more
(22:36):
and more trouble because ultimately Trump would side with Israel
and wiping out Hamas. It's very different than the situation
they were in when you had Joe Biden lecturing Israel
over and over again about what they should or should
not be doing.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Tell us about the documentary that you've got and what
you've been working on, and you would encourage our audience
to check out.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well. Krist and I started in twenty twenty three thinking that,
you know, we need to balance the immigration debate. We're
both very strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but we are
very strongly in favor of legal immigration, and so we
began to think that, you know, maybe we should adopt
a position of how can we get across to the
(23:25):
American people the amazing things that legal immigrants do. And
so we developed a program called Journey to America. We
went out and found nine really interesting people and found
that we were able to tell their stories. So the
Journey to America is essentially nine unique human beings who
(23:47):
came to this country and who made it a dramatically
better country. But they all came through the legal process
under the Constitution. They all wanted to work, and they
all wanted to become Americans. It's very different than somebody
who starts their career by breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Do you have confidence that there's going to be major changes,
mister Speaker in the immigration enforcement and just overall immigration
picture in the next Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I think in the first thirty days you'll be shocked
at how effective they are. He's brought back one of
the great veterans of border control. I think they're absolutely
going to first seal off the border, second start deporting criminals.
And there are a lot of people who are here
who are criminals, and I think that whether it's a
(24:35):
Venezuelan gang or a Salvadoran gang or a Mexican cartel,
we have no reason to expose Americans to a murder
or rape or robbery from people who shouldn't even be here.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We've got the documentary that you've worked on up at
clayanbuck dot com. Where else can people watch, mister speaker.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Hey, they can go to PBS dot org or PBS
app and they can see it. It's been streaming. It
was on last night on the PBS network and they
now are available to be streamed. If anybody wants to
can go to PVS dot org or the PBS app
and be able to do it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Last question for you, mister Speaker, We appreciate the time
your wife has been appointed an ambassador. Do you anticipate
what life will be like as the ambassador's husband? How
much are you looking forward to that?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Well, she was the ambassador the Vatican in the first
Trump term. I went with her and did most of
my work from Rome. The State Department caused me a
trailing spouse, which is a good term because it reminds
you that's the ambassador who is the personal representative president
you're not. And I'm looking forward to being with her
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on Switzerland is a great country. She has to be
approved by the Senator, of course, but Switzerland's a great
country and it's a wonderful assignment for her.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Mister Speaker appreciates you being with us. Good luck on
the documentary and we'll get more and more people go
check it out.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Great. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
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Speaker 3 (27:10):
Welcome back, in clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Big news as we
started the show today, a ceasefire between the Israeli government
and Hamas and or those running things in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I was just in Israel last month.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I got to spend a lot of time with one
of the friends of the show, Yell Eckstein, who runs
the IFCJ, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. We've
been trying to contextualize what exactly is in this deal.
I know it's still in the early moments of this
being a public deal, but Yell, as a citizen of Israel,
what should our audience know about this deal from your
(27:49):
perspective and that of other Israelis.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Well, thank you so much, Clayon Buck, and firstly, thank
you for all your prayers that brought us to this day.
Every israelis right now holding their breath until we see
those hostages walk over the border, reander Israel and hug
their families. It's a very difficult deal because we are
releasing hundreds of terrorists for one innocent civilian who is
(28:14):
kidnapped from their bed, allowing them to go home. And
we know that those terrorists who are in Israeli jails
when they're released go on to again commit terror X
and kill more Israelis even yeah, yes, and Noir, the
one who the terrorist mastermind of October seventh, he was
in Israeli jail. He was released in a deal and
he went on to October seventh. So it's very very
(28:36):
difficult for the Israeli people to have to pay this
very difficult price. But every life is sacred, and every
day that these hostages are in Gaza being abused and raped,
many of them murdered already, is another day in hell
that we need to save them from. And so what
we know about this deal so far as in the
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first stage there'll be thirty three hostages released all at
once over a period of a few weeks, and Israeli
troops simultaneously will be pulling out of parts of the
Gaza strip. Now, we don't know if these thirty three
hostages that will be released in the first stage are
live or not. None of them have been confirmed dead,
but they haven't been confirmed alive either. So we're waiting
(29:19):
with baited breath to see who's going to come home
when and what's their physical emotional, spiritual health, Jaile.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Can you speak to also whether this is likely to
be a temporary cease fire? What will this mean for
Israeli military operations in Gaza and against Hamas Moore broadly.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
That's a great question. That's the question everyone is and
asking themselves, and we're getting lots of different answers. We
saw President Biden say this is the end of war.
This marks the end of the war. We saw President
Trump say we will not allow Jamas to rearm. We
will not allow Jamas to be a terror organization that
regroups on Israel's border. And we saw Benjamin A'taanee who
(30:04):
say this does not stop our ability to combat terror
in the Gaza Strip against from US. So it's not clear.
None of those details are exactly clear. And I think
what we do know is Israeli's as you were there
and means for peace and are willing to take very
hard steps in order to get to peace. But you
can't make peace with the terror organization. So the question
(30:25):
is will Hamas rearm or will they disarm? What will
be the ruling factor in the Gaza Strip? Will there
be a new leadership for the Palestinian people in Gaza
that will bring a new reality of hope and prosperity
and education to the Palestinian people instead of what Hamas
has been doing, of a reign of terror.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, you, obviously, as in Israeli have been following this
very very closely. I was over there last month, and
the election of Donald Trump seems to have been a
galvanizing factor in exerting the pursuit of peace in some way.
Is that an accurate take from your perspective? What has
the election of Trump meant from an Israeli perspective to
(31:09):
the pursuit of peace in your country?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Well, first of all, I think that really we have
to give credit to all the parties right now who
are part of these negotiations, including President elect Trump and
of course President Joe Biden and Premiter Benjamin and Tanya
who it seems like everyone was really working in coordination
to bring this deal to fruition. What's unique about President
Trump is that he came in very clearly differentiating between
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America's ally of Israel that's a democracy and cherishes freedom
and values life versus Hamas that is a terror organization.
He distinguished very clearly between hostages who are taken from
their bed and terroorists who having held in Israeli prisons.
Just that moral clarity gives room for the possibility of
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a deal that we saw come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
What are some of the hopes we're speaking to they
Isle Extein of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
We're honored to partner with them as a sponsor here
on the show Yale. What are some of the possible
hopeful things in the future with this new Trump administration?
Donald Trump obviously a great ally of the Israeli people.
(32:21):
The Abraham Accords at the end of Trump's first term
was a bright spot of diplomacy for the US, for
the region, for the Middle East, for Israel. Are there
things that are on the horizon that are giving the
Israeli people particular hope now that Donald Trump is coming
into his second term.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Wow, I think you said it. Those are two words
that give so much hope to the Israeli people and
should be a source of hope and pride for the
American people as well. The Abraham Accords. Those are accords
that in Donald Trump's previous term that he forged between
Israel and moderate Muslim countries. And they have sustained the
most difficult year and a half. And we see these
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relations between Tehran and the UAE even Morocco that they
are not only not only have they been able to
sustain this very difficult time, but in many ways they
people have gotten stronger. The idea behind Abraham Accords is
that Iran is a terror state. Their government is not
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the people that are funding terror across the Middle East,
and that's not good for the moderate Muslim countries, just
like it's not good for Israel or America. And so
these partnerships, the Abraham Cords, that are strategic and good
for both sides, have so much possibility to expand. And
what we're all looking at is will it expand to
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Saudi Arabia? And I think it's a real possibility.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That would be incredibly important. Also important is people being
able to come to Israel, because so many people in
the country rely on people coming from other parts of
the world, particularly United States. When we flew in Yell,
it's just right now, l ol. A ceasefire? How quickly
if the ceasefire is able to be sustained, do you
(34:11):
think people would be able to travel on traditional American Airlines,
American Airlines, Delta, all of these other places that have
stopped allowing their aircraft to move into Israel.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
That's a great question. I would hope it would be
very soon. And it's so important to have that Christian
voice boots on the ground, the American voice boots on
the ground in Israel, both for the experience of walking
those holy footsteps of your spiritual land Jerusalem of all
three all three fate great faiths of Judaism, Christianity and
(34:48):
also Islam of course, and to visit those Christian holy
sites like Bethlehem and the Mount of Olives and the
Garden of It's so important for the Christian experience be
able to walk those but Sepson, like you said, in
a way more experienced. For important for the Israelis to
be able to see we have friends, We're not alone.
That Christians come to Israel, and that Americans come to
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Israel to see the site and to stand with Israeli
people is something that you can't put any price tag on.
It inspires us more than anything in the world. So
I hope that they will be able to come and
visit soon. With the airlines LAO and others, and in
the Meanwhile, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is
on the ground through soup kitchens and food boxes, feeding
(35:31):
the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the floor, letting Israelis
know that very very important message They're not alone. The
American people stand with you.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeahill, Thank you so much for calling in today and
also just for the partnership with the International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews. Honored to be working with you for
this noble cause.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Thank you so much, Clay, and thank you guys are amazing.
Thank you for everything. God bless you.
Third hour, Clay and Buck gets going right now, Thanks
for being here with us. Bottom of the hour will
have Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
He's got a movie out he wants to talk.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
To us about Cruiser Ali says is excellent, so we
are looking forward to talking about it. We've also got
the breaking news today of a deal in principle agreed
to between Israel and Hamas for a ceasefire in the
Gaza Strip. This looks like it could be the end
(00:30):
of the fifteen month long war which began with the
horrific mass terror attack, mass casualty terror attack by Hamas
against Israel October seventh. And there's the exchange of hostages
that is likely to happen here. We don't know exactly
(00:51):
what the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Timeline is for that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
A lot of people that are pointing out that this
happening right before Trump takes office to be pretty strong,
a pretty strong indicator for Trump is part of the
catalyst here.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hamas does not want to go.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Into a situation where Trump feels like they are not
listening to what he made a very clear threat about,
which was you better return the hostages or I'm gonna
unleash holy hell on you. Essentially one other noteplay. Inflation
has ticked up to two point nine percent, they're saying,
and this is Wall Street Journal, underlying price gains are muted.
(01:29):
You know, inflation is still not where it's supposed to be.
And given the inflationary run up we had under Biden's
time in office, that is something that yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
No, no, you're right.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I was just going to add in I think it's
twenty one point seven percent. It's increased while Biden was
in office. Here is something that I think is alarming,
and I know a lot of our listeners out there
have noticed this. Mortgage rates haven't come down at all.
As the overall lending rate has come down, the Fed
funds rate has come down massively. Usually those move in concert.
(02:07):
What the market is telling us is inflation's not beaten,
to your point, and thirty year mortgage rates are back
up to seven percent. That is crippling to a lot
of people out there in terms of being able to
afford home. So I think that's maybe the most significant
thing that the market's telling us. It's inflation's not going away,
and we haven't beaten it yet.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes, So we're still still dealing with that, still handling
that situation, and hopefully going to get more of a
more of a handle on it here in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But you know, maybe maybe I'm feeling a little.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Bit of the nostalgia here, Clay, But I wanted to
take a moment to preview the farewell address of President
Joe Biden tonight. A five decade long career in politics.
He's going to be giving a speech at eight Easter
eight pm Eastern Time, and he's trying to lay out
(03:08):
his legacy. Now, I'm not going to be overly charitable
in my view of Biden. I've always thought I've always
thought that it's remarkable that he managed to create a
perception of him as a well, particularly in the latter years,
is like a friendly grandfather when.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Really he's a bully, a jerk.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And somebody who will do absolutely anything for political power,
serve the interests of credit card companies more than any
other constituency as a senator from Delaware, not somebody who
I think has anything to point to in public life
that has been particularly successful or selfless. I think the
biggest legacy, though, of his four years in office is
(03:54):
I think the whole thing is essentially overshadowed by people
will be for years to come talking about how we
had a senile president or a dementia patient president for
four years and it finally all collapsed and created a
massive credibility hits for Democrat media, the Democrat Party. I
(04:20):
think that the collapse of Joe Biden, Joe Biden's cognition,
if you want to put it that way, is the
single biggest story of his four years as president. Maybe
you know, I'm open having my mind changed, though here
is that completely ties in with what you're talking about.
CNN just released their final pull of Joe Biden's presidency,
(04:41):
and the numbers are devastating for anybody out there that
has any positive take. We were talking about the historic
legacy of Biden and what it would be. I think
yesterday on the program or a couple days ago. He's
giving his farewell address tonight as he gets ready for
his ride off into the sunset a CNN sixty one
(05:02):
percent of the people in the CNN poll considered Joe
Biden's presidency of failure. Failure is sixty one percent. That's
tough to pull off, Buck, When you're talking about half
the country eighty one. Every time I feel like we
have to say it in the future, we have to
put quotation eighty one million voters for Joe Biden in theory.
(05:24):
In twenty twenty, sixty one percent of people in America
consider his presidency of failure. Just thirty three percent view
Joe Biden favorably, fifty eight percent unfavorable, and only thirty
six percent of Americans approve of his presidency as he
leaves office. Putting that in context, the only president in
(05:45):
the modern era who has left office with lower rates
of approval George W.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Bush during the Iraq War and with the.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Whole financial crisis collapsing around him in two thousand and
eight two thousand and nine. That's the only president in
the modern era who has been anywhere near as unpopular.
Even Trump after jan sixth was more popular leaving office
than Biden is right now. It's pretty staggering indictment of
(06:18):
everything that Joe Biden did during his tenure. And to
your point on inflation, I think I think it's twenty
one point seven percent increase in the cost of goods
on average. Obviously, many things cost more, some things cost less,
but an average increased price since he came into office
of twenty one point seven percent. And it's the best
(06:38):
analogy you've heard on this buck. It's like putting on weight.
When you put on weight. What Biden's trying to do
in his inaugural, in his farewell addressed tonight, is he's
going to try to say we beat inflation. Well, the
market doesn't really agree, as we just talked about, with
seven percent mortgage rates for thirty years. But also all
he's done is slow the rate that he's putting on weight.
(07:02):
So you don't get fit by putting on forty pounds
and then saying, hey, this year I only added five more.
That weight is embedded. That's inflation. This twenty two percent increase,
twenty one point seven percent increase is never going away.
You feel it every time you go buy something. And that,
to me is the legacy of Biden.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And I think that it's interesting that you don't even
really have Democrats lining up alongside Biden on this to
solidify the legacy or to make the case that you know,
this has been a great presidency. I think they're still
all very disoriented and somewhat stung by what just happened.
(07:44):
They pushed Biden aside, they put Kamala forward. Kamala got destroyed.
Hard to think of how the election could have gone
much worse for Democrats, the total political damage all of this. Wait,
Biden's speaking right now. Oh yeah, he's talking about the
hostage deal. Oh he stopped. Okay, So Biden was speaking
about the hostage situation. I was making sure I was
(08:05):
my timing on all this was right. So yeah, and
Biden's of course going to say this is no surprise
that the hostage deal is because of you know, his
last minute work and everything else, even though this has
been going on for fifteen months. Uh, He's going to
try to take some kind of a political victory lap
on this. I don't think that's going to go over
as well as he would like it to. I also
(08:28):
think that whether it's CNNMSNBC, the New York Times of
Washington Post, they all feel very, very burned by what's
happened in this in this election where they decided to
push Biden out, they put Kamala forward, she got destroyed.
And now what what is really the takeaway of the
last four years play for Democrats? What was the at
(08:51):
best it was a stalling of Trump. Of Trump's second term.
I don't think there was no major agenda that they
were able to ram through. They spent a lot of
money and got inflation to be a huge problem for
the country and for them politically. A couple of wars
kicked off abroad that probably wouldn't have if Trump had
been president.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
When they're trying to come forward with the Biden legacy
of last four years, it's going out with a whimper.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
This is why I.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Made the argument it's hard to analyze history because you
don't know what's going to come in the future. And
I use the George W. Bush Iraq War as a situation.
If one hundred years from now we see the Middle
East as a flourishing democracy, people may point and say, hey,
that was a legacy of Bush's decision, even though it
wasn't popular. Then I don't think that's going to happen.
(09:41):
But that could be an argument historically that the George W.
Bush presidency looks better one hundred years from now than
it does now. I can't even point to you something
that the Biden team has done in four years that
is going to flourish as some great victory in the
decades ahead. And I think that's why the legacy of
Biden is going to be much like the legacy of Carter,
(10:05):
that he.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Was an accidental president.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And basically he did a poor job and he's completely forgot.
I can't even think of what his legacy is. And
Buck on your point, he stopped Trump for four years.
Arguably Trump would have been far less powerful if he
had won in twenty twenty then he is now winning
(10:28):
in twenty twenty four. Remember, he would have lost the House,
so he wouldn't have really been able to push anything
through in terms of legislative agenda for Republicans. At best,
he would have had a tie in the Senate, and
that's depending on how the election results would have ended
up in the Senate with the reelection, you know, the
(10:49):
runoff in Georgia. For anybody who loves Trump, it is
far better in retrospect now that he lost in twenty
because he wouldn't have had a Republican Congress and now
he's coming in in twenty four with both My point
on that is Biden didn't even stop Trump. Arguably Trump
(11:09):
if he had served a second term from twenty twenty
one to twenty twenty five. Now, I think the nation
would be better off, but what Trump could have actually
accomplished would have been far less.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I don't think Putin would have invaded Ukraine. I don't
think Hamas would have done October seventh, right, I think
the world would have been better off. But in terms
of American policies that Trump could put in place, I
think there's a very strong argument that Biden has actually
enabled a stronger Trump in twenty twenty five, five days
from now than he ever would have been if he
(11:41):
had won in twenty twenty Does that make sense? Like, so,
actually he's not only not even defeated Trump, he's actually
led to an ascendant Trump who is more powerful than
he would have been if Joe Biden had just lost,
because now Trump would be riding off into the sunset
himself and his tenure would be over. And we don't
know what would have happened in the twenty twenty four
(12:02):
election because it would have been a non incumbent election
on both sides.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think that they're if they could go back in time,
it's a it's an interesting question, do you really are
you really still glad that Biden won. And if you're
a Democrat, are you glad that Biden won in twenty
twenty or did that just create this situation where you
had four years of Democrat misrule and now the floor
(12:27):
has been cleared for Trump to just come in with
a with a with the Maga sledgehammer. And that's really
what it feels like right now. I Mean, I'm not
somebody who gets kind of over enthusiastic about these things,
but I'm looking around and the opposition to Trump is
just in tatters. It's just a fraction of what it
used to be. It's a it's a figment of what
(12:48):
we got used to for years. And I'm not even
what are they gonna do indict him a fifth time?
They can, he's president. What are they gonna do, They're
gonna beeach him.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
A third time? What do they think they're gonna pull off? Here?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Trump is going to accomplish far more in twenty twenty
five than I think he would have been able to do,
probably in four years, if he had won in twenty
twenty and take an office. And I think Democrats are
slowly recognizing that. So to your point, I Biden's gonna
give us farewell tonight. I'm not sure what an honest
recapitulation and analysis of the Biden tenure.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's bad now.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I just said he's got a sixty one percent of
Americans think his presidency was a failure, according to CNN.
What are we missing that could be considered a success
a generation from now? I can't even think of any
seeds that Biden has planted that are going to flourish
in twenty years or forty years from now we're going
to look at and say, hey, you know what he
got that, right, can you? I can't even think of
(13:44):
an example.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, no, I think it's a it's a really, really
tough job to be trying to cobble together some kind
of positive story.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
About Joe Biden's last four years.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think what it's going to be, and this is
why The New York Times and I think are putting
it forward as you know, a fifty year career in
public life. You know Biden, They're going to be talking about, oh,
the Crime Bill in the nineties and things that he
did as a senator, and you know, they'll talk about
the family tragedies that he's had they're going to have
to expand it well beyond his four years as president,
because I think it is I think it is true
(14:19):
to say that Biden, even from a Democrat perspective, Okay,
forget about what we as as people on the right think.
I think Biden's four years was a failure, a failure
from all viewpoint, in all respects. I think that he
failed to achieve the objectives of the Democrats and failed
(14:41):
to make things better for the country overall.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So it's a yeah, happy birthday to Joe Biden. I
don't know, it's kind of rough out there for Joe.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
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we're going to talk to New Gingrich at the bottom
of the hour. Here's what I'll say about the ceasefire.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And by the way, we Maydian put a table, put
a discussion on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I know I mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We're going to talk about that later this week because
TikTok is saying that they're going to allow which is
kind of crazy, the app basically to expire on Sunday.
Do we believe that we can still talk about it
on Thursday and Friday. Here's one of the things that
I think is the unfortunate reality of any resolution or
deal that is signed in with Hamas. They're still being
(16:40):
rewarded for taking hostages, and there is talk that they're
getting back ten Palestinian prisoners for everyone is released Israeli.
The challenge with all of this, everyone who takes hostages
basically gets rewarded. We saw the same thing happen with
Russia and Britney Griner and Evan Gersovich, whoever the people
(17:04):
are when Americans are taken hostage or when Israelis are
taken hostage by terrorists, when you negotiate in any way
with them, I understand wanting to get the hostages back,
but you're basically setting the precedent of why hostage taking
continues because there is a value that is given back.
That's why they took these people on October seventh. Yeah,
(17:28):
that's right, So it's a bitter suite. I'm glad that
we are getting some of these hostages back. But in
many ways we are seating the future taking of hostages
every time we engage in negotiations with terror groups to
get hostages back or kleptocratic, untrustworthy authoritarian governments. So I
don't want to be the Debbie downer here on the deal.
(17:50):
But in many ways Hamas is getting what they want
in this respect, because that's why they took the hostages
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
My name Clay, and welcome back into Clay and Buck
speaking New Gingrich of Well, i'm speaking New Gingrich fame.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
He is with us now.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He's got a new documentary, Journey to America with Newt
and Callista Gingrich, which features inspiring immigrant stories. Mister speaker,
appreciate you being with us. Before we get into the movie,
I'm just wondering, what's your sense of where we stand
historically now, about to begin the second Trump term and
(19:21):
putting an end to Biden's four years.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
What do you see immediately ahead for the country.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Well, I think this is an enormous shift. Trump is
a genuine populist. He wants to change the establishment, and
I think that he's going to end up being an
extraordinarily important president. And I think that we're going to
see that a lot of things just didn't work, but
(19:48):
now I think with Trump's leadership, we're going to see
the country turn around very fast, and I would suspect
that we're going to have a non distant future. I'm
a very dynamic country with a lot of economic growth
and with a lot of reforms.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Speaker new gingris with us. Now we were just talking
on the show. Let's pretend that you had to argue,
and I'm sure you've argued in the past. Debate sometimes
things you don't agree with, but you're a good debater.
Sixty one percent of Americans consider Biden's presidency a failure,
according to a CNN poll that just came out. Can
you point to anything in the last four years that
(20:28):
Joe Biden has done that has made America better?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
No, I mean, I'm pretty biased because I'm a conservative,
but it just you know, I mean, maybe withdrawing from
the race.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's a great answer. The only thing you could think
of that made America better was him not running. You
have dealt with getting things through the House and the
Senate a ton. When you look at twenty twenty five,
how much time does Trump have to really implement his
policies that next year Democrats are going to try to delay,
(21:03):
and the House and the Senate races will be up
again for mid terms. How imperative is going fast now?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Well, I think that it depends a large part on
how they approach it. If they do what Reagan did
and what Lincoln and Margaret Thatcher did, and they start
with the wishes of the American people, and I had
up a project called the America's New Majority Project, or
we look for the kind of issues where you can
(21:32):
get seventy and eighty sometimes even ninety percent support. If
they stick to that, they're gonna be able to get
things done all the way through because the American people
will be on their side and the American people will
force it to happen. Now, if, on the other hand,
they forget that and they start getting driven by Washington issues,
(21:53):
then I think you're right, and he may have a
relatively short time horizon to get things done.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
How do you view the timing of the hostage deal
and the cessation the formal cessation of the war between
Israel and hamas happening just days before Trump takes off
as mister speaker, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Thought somebody had a very shrewd comment a former ambassador
two Tel Aviv to Jerusalem rather who said, with Trump
coming in every day, the deal was going to get
worse for Hamas, and therefore if they didn't move now,
they were just going to be in more and more
(22:36):
and more trouble because ultimately Trump would side with Israel
and wiping out Hamas. It's very different than the situation
they were in when you had Joe Biden lecturing Israel
over and over again about what they should or should
not be doing.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Tell us about the documentary that you've got and what
you've been working on, and you would encourage our audience
to check out.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Well. Krist and I started in twenty twenty three thinking that,
you know, we need to balance the immigration debate. We're
both very strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but we are
very strongly in favor of legal immigration, and so we
began to think that, you know, maybe we should adopt
a position of how can we get across to the
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American people the amazing things that legal immigrants do. And
so we developed a program called Journey to America. We
went out and found nine really interesting people and found
that we were able to tell their stories. So the
Journey to America is essentially nine unique human beings who
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came to this country and who made it a dramatically
better country. But they all came through the legal process
under the Constitution. They all wanted to work, and they
all wanted to become Americans. It's very different than somebody
who starts their career by breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Do you have confidence that there's going to be major changes,
mister Speaker in the immigration enforcement and just overall immigration
picture in the next Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I think in the first thirty days you'll be shocked
at how effective they are. He's brought back one of
the great veterans of border control. I think they're absolutely
going to first seal off the border, second start deporting criminals.
And there are a lot of people who are here
who are criminals, and I think that whether it's a
(24:35):
Venezuelan gang or a Salvadoran gang or a Mexican cartel,
we have no reason to expose Americans to a murder
or rape or robbery from people who shouldn't even be here.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We've got the documentary that you've worked on up at
clayanbuck dot com. Where else can people watch, mister speaker.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Hey, they can go to PBS dot org or PBS
app and they can see it. It's been streaming. It
was on last night on the PBS network and they
now are available to be streamed. If anybody wants to
can go to PVS dot org or the PBS app
and be able to do it.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Last question for you, mister Speaker, We appreciate the time
your wife has been appointed an ambassador. Do you anticipate
what life will be like as the ambassador's husband? How
much are you looking forward to that?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Well, she was the ambassador the Vatican in the first
Trump term. I went with her and did most of
my work from Rome. The State Department caused me a
trailing spouse, which is a good term because it reminds
you that's the ambassador who is the personal representative president
you're not. And I'm looking forward to being with her
(25:49):
on Switzerland is a great country. She has to be
approved by the Senator, of course, but Switzerland's a great
country and it's a wonderful assignment for her.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Mister Speaker appreciates you being with us. Good luck on
the documentary and we'll get more and more people go
check it out.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Great. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Look, we just heard from former Speaker new Gangrich. His
new documentary, Journey to America came out this week, and
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Speaker 3 (27:10):
Welcome back, in clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Big news as we
started the show today, a ceasefire between the Israeli government
and Hamas and or those running things in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I was just in Israel last month.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I got to spend a lot of time with one
of the friends of the show, Yell Eckstein, who runs
the IFCJ, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. We've
been trying to contextualize what exactly is in this deal.
I know it's still in the early moments of this
being a public deal, but Yell, as a citizen of Israel,
what should our audience know about this deal from your
(27:49):
perspective and that of other Israelis.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Well, thank you so much, Clayon Buck, and firstly, thank
you for all your prayers that brought us to this day.
Every israelis right now holding their breath until we see
those hostages walk over the border, reander Israel and hug
their families. It's a very difficult deal because we are
releasing hundreds of terrorists for one innocent civilian who is
(28:14):
kidnapped from their bed, allowing them to go home. And
we know that those terrorists who are in Israeli jails
when they're released go on to again commit terror X
and kill more Israelis even yeah, yes, and Noir, the
one who the terrorist mastermind of October seventh, he was
in Israeli jail. He was released in a deal and
he went on to October seventh. So it's very very
(28:36):
difficult for the Israeli people to have to pay this
very difficult price. But every life is sacred, and every
day that these hostages are in Gaza being abused and raped,
many of them murdered already, is another day in hell
that we need to save them from. And so what
we know about this deal so far as in the
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first stage there'll be thirty three hostages released all at
once over a period of a few weeks, and Israeli
troops simultaneously will be pulling out of parts of the
Gaza strip. Now, we don't know if these thirty three
hostages that will be released in the first stage are
live or not. None of them have been confirmed dead,
but they haven't been confirmed alive either. So we're waiting
(29:19):
with baited breath to see who's going to come home
when and what's their physical emotional, spiritual health, Jaile.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Can you speak to also whether this is likely to
be a temporary cease fire? What will this mean for
Israeli military operations in Gaza and against Hamas Moore broadly.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
That's a great question. That's the question everyone is and
asking themselves, and we're getting lots of different answers. We
saw President Biden say this is the end of war.
This marks the end of the war. We saw President
Trump say we will not allow Jamas to rearm. We
will not allow Jamas to be a terror organization that
regroups on Israel's border. And we saw Benjamin A'taanee who
(30:04):
say this does not stop our ability to combat terror
in the Gaza Strip against from US. So it's not clear.
None of those details are exactly clear. And I think
what we do know is Israeli's as you were there
and means for peace and are willing to take very
hard steps in order to get to peace. But you
can't make peace with the terror organization. So the question
(30:25):
is will Hamas rearm or will they disarm? What will
be the ruling factor in the Gaza Strip? Will there
be a new leadership for the Palestinian people in Gaza
that will bring a new reality of hope and prosperity
and education to the Palestinian people instead of what Hamas
has been doing, of a reign of terror.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, you, obviously, as in Israeli have been following this
very very closely. I was over there last month, and
the election of Donald Trump seems to have been a
galvanizing factor in exerting the pursuit of peace in some way.
Is that an accurate take from your perspective? What has
the election of Trump meant from an Israeli perspective to
(31:09):
the pursuit of peace in your country?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Well, first of all, I think that really we have
to give credit to all the parties right now who
are part of these negotiations, including President elect Trump and
of course President Joe Biden and Premiter Benjamin and Tanya
who it seems like everyone was really working in coordination
to bring this deal to fruition. What's unique about President
Trump is that he came in very clearly differentiating between
(31:36):
America's ally of Israel that's a democracy and cherishes freedom
and values life versus Hamas that is a terror organization.
He distinguished very clearly between hostages who are taken from
their bed and terroorists who having held in Israeli prisons.
Just that moral clarity gives room for the possibility of
(31:56):
a deal that we saw come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
What are some of the hopes we're speaking to they
Isle Extein of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
We're honored to partner with them as a sponsor here
on the show Yale. What are some of the possible
hopeful things in the future with this new Trump administration?
Donald Trump obviously a great ally of the Israeli people.
(32:21):
The Abraham Accords at the end of Trump's first term
was a bright spot of diplomacy for the US, for
the region, for the Middle East, for Israel. Are there
things that are on the horizon that are giving the
Israeli people particular hope now that Donald Trump is coming
into his second term.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Wow, I think you said it. Those are two words
that give so much hope to the Israeli people and
should be a source of hope and pride for the
American people as well. The Abraham Accords. Those are accords
that in Donald Trump's previous term that he forged between
Israel and moderate Muslim countries. And they have sustained the
most difficult year and a half. And we see these
(33:03):
relations between Tehran and the UAE even Morocco that they
are not only not only have they been able to
sustain this very difficult time, but in many ways they
people have gotten stronger. The idea behind Abraham Accords is
that Iran is a terror state. Their government is not
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the people that are funding terror across the Middle East,
and that's not good for the moderate Muslim countries, just
like it's not good for Israel or America. And so
these partnerships, the Abraham Cords, that are strategic and good
for both sides, have so much possibility to expand. And
what we're all looking at is will it expand to
(33:44):
Saudi Arabia? And I think it's a real possibility.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That would be incredibly important. Also important is people being
able to come to Israel, because so many people in
the country rely on people coming from other parts of
the world, particularly United States. When we flew in Yell,
it's just right now, l ol. A ceasefire? How quickly
if the ceasefire is able to be sustained, do you
(34:11):
think people would be able to travel on traditional American Airlines,
American Airlines, Delta, all of these other places that have
stopped allowing their aircraft to move into Israel.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
That's a great question. I would hope it would be
very soon. And it's so important to have that Christian
voice boots on the ground, the American voice boots on
the ground in Israel, both for the experience of walking
those holy footsteps of your spiritual land Jerusalem of all
three all three fate great faiths of Judaism, Christianity and
(34:48):
also Islam of course, and to visit those Christian holy
sites like Bethlehem and the Mount of Olives and the
Garden of It's so important for the Christian experience be
able to walk those but Sepson, like you said, in
a way more experienced. For important for the Israelis to
be able to see we have friends, We're not alone.
That Christians come to Israel, and that Americans come to
(35:09):
Israel to see the site and to stand with Israeli
people is something that you can't put any price tag on.
It inspires us more than anything in the world. So
I hope that they will be able to come and
visit soon. With the airlines LAO and others, and in
the Meanwhile, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is
on the ground through soup kitchens and food boxes, feeding
(35:31):
the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the floor, letting Israelis
know that very very important message They're not alone. The
American people stand with you.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeahill, Thank you so much for calling in today and
also just for the partnership with the International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews. Honored to be working with you for
this noble cause.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Thank you so much, Clay, and thank you guys are amazing.
Thank you for everything. God bless you.
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