January 19, 2025 • 21 mins
Buck shares his love for TikTok. Clay reviews Gladiator II and reveals some things we never knew about him. Have you taken down your Chrimstmas decorations yet?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
I remember the first time.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Then I came across or heard about TikTok. It was
during the pandemic. Actually, so I was at home and
I looked something like a wooly mammoth. Did you have
the full like no haircut thing for a long time?
I think I went four or five. I actually cut
my own hair for a while, which was at what ages.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
During the pandemic? Clay not as like a child.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh, I thought you were like talking about like in college,
like you were living and you know, like I'm saying,
when everything was shut down, you could nothing shut down here,
shut down for like a month, I went and just
went to get my haircut like a normal person.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
So so unfair, I should probably share.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I have a photo where I look like, I don't know,
I look like I grew up in a cave or
something or was living.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You couldn't get a haircut in New York.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Absolutely not for months, like I mean, from whatever it
was February, you know, end of February, early March, shutdown
day to June, maybe July.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So I mean, think, what would what would you look like?
Clay Travis, always very well quaffed, mister Clay, what would
you look like with no haircut for six months?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Think about it? Oh, I probably looked like I did
in high school. That's why I thought I was going
to get ridiculed for my You know, my kids have
my high school yearbook photo as their backdrop to make
fun of me on their phones, like and Laura does
my wife like if you like their screensaver is my
senior class yearbook photo.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
You You and my brother are the same year in
My older brother the same year in school.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And I remember this.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
There was a time everybody was listening to Dave Matthews
playing their Hackey Sack, wearing their birken stocks and uh,
and they would they put.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Their hair behind their ears.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's right. Super that was. That was a superstyle.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That was the like I'm preppy, I play soccer and
listen to Dave Matthews and.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, you know, like that was the look for a
while that we had to talk your hair behind the
ear and so I think it would look something like that.
But I still for people who lived in Red States,
what you guys dealt with in New York and California
is like finding out that someone was in a foreign
country because I we shut my gym buck. My gym
(02:33):
was back open, like by the first week of May.
Like they shut down at gym's for like six weeks,
which was stupid. But by May one ish in Tennessee,
if you lived in a normal place, your life was
basically back to normal. May one, twenty twenty, schools opened
back up in August full go. Now people still had
(02:54):
to wear masks. It was stupid, but it was. There
was very little. We COVID exists for like six weeks,
and then people were like, yeah, this is stupid, Like
let's kind of go back to normal.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
New York City.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
My friend in New York City, they had metrics for
reopening gyms and other things. And when we hit the
metrics after all the waiting, de Blasio, because he is
a vile communist and a little dictator at heart, just said, yeah,
I don't care, we're not opening them anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So he set and he said.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You guys had to work out in masks, which is
still crazy to me to think about, Like in the gym,
that you had to have a mask on.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
People would come up to you and yell at you.
On the treadmill.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
If you were on a treadmill without a map, think
about that you had to run with your mask on.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It was the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And danger and along with this and danger so stupid.
Bad for you, by the way, you're all these fibers
and stuff you're in here.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's horrible. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I bring it up because that was when I learned
about TikTok, and I remember the first TikTok video. I'm
getting a little nostalgic about TikTok because it might be
rip TikTok here pretty soon thanks to the Supreme Court.
Uh well, actually not the Supreme Court. It's a law
that's been passed and now the Supreme words winging on it.
But it was a shuffle dance, which I tried a
little bit during COVID. I did not do very well
(04:07):
with that, so you know, do you know what I'm
talking about? That was one of the big things TikTok
went vital for in the early days, teaching people during
COVID how to do these little dance steps at home,
and I did.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Not go through this universe. We were just not that
at home that much.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, mister German cinephile over here, Hold
hold on.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You in your apartment by yourself, were learning how to
do dances. This is what you were doing in your
free time.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I was, you know, like I was trying to pick
up a new hobby. Don't worry about whether it was
dancing or not. The point is that was when I
first saw TikTok.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I can't imagine you. First of all, I told you
this when we first started doing the show in June
of twenty one. Sometime that summer. I was up in
New York and you were like, oh, you can come
see my apartment. And I walked in, and I was like,
I would have gone and absolutely insane if I lived
in a city and they walked down and I had
to stay in an apartment like you're in a high
(05:07):
rise apartment building. The only reason to live in New
York City, in my opinion, is to experience, outside of
your apartment, the life of New York City.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Well, this is why, this is why people decided. Some
people decided to move because they were so upsid. I mean,
New York City absent the use of the city is
it feels like a prison, you know, because you have
no you have no land, you have no outdoor space,
you have no freedom.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So yeah, no, it was particularly brutal.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think it was worse in the I think the
lockdown was worse in New York City than it was
honestly anywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Else in the entire I think that's probably true because
at least in La by and large, people had land,
Like there were a lot of crazy towns. But to
your point, you're basically in a high rise prison if
you can't leave your apartment and a lot of people
you don't even have you did not have outdoor air,
like you didn't have like a balcony where you could
even go outside and like get fresh air. Like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yes, and uh and I couldn't even get a haircut
for months, So I managed to buy myself a pair
of like Crayola scissors off of Amazon and then just
sit there and try to cut my hair so it
wouldn't be so long as in my eyes anyway. Ah,
Memories memories TikTok. That's how I learned about it. And
then all of a sudden you get there's some there's
some cool content on there.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
There's this guy who takes a lot of you you've
probably if you haven't seen this. I think his name
is Donnie Dust and he takes like tools and someone
will say, can you make a tomahawk with you know,
a stick in a rock? And he just does it
right in front of you. It's amazing. There's some cool
stuff on there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Problem is it's owned by China and it's a Chinese
spying app or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, that's the problem. That's why everyone's also freaked out
about this.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So Supreme Court looks like they're going to uphold the
law after oral arguments this morning, after both Republicans and
Democrats had decided that there was a national security risk
from TikTok, and so they passed.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
This law that said it has to be sold or will.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Be basically shut down in the United States. So really
it seems like they got to find a buyer for it. Here, Clay, So,
do you know anybody we got to keep this thing alive.
There is so much great cooking content and actually a
lot of good fitness content on TikTok as well.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I know everyone just thinks that they're trying to steal
all your data for China, but at least you can
get abs in the process.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I so here's a Ali just texted us producer Ali
that Elon should buy it. So here is the challenge
as I see it. And we had an actual discussion
about this yesterday because I don't think this is an
easy answer. You believe that it should basically exist as
is right, is a rough way of describing your position.
(07:42):
My position is I actually do not believe that China
should be able to own this company, which I believe
is more powerful as a media entity than the New
York Times is, than the Washington Post is, than Fox
News is, than the Wall Street Journal is what media
outlet you enjoy consuming. And we would never allow the
(08:04):
four things that I just ticked through to be owned
by a foreigner because of the impact that it could have.
So I think, and you were just kind of hitting
at this, I think that TikTok should be forced to
divest itself of Chinese ownership of its US based assets.
And then the question beyond that becomes okay, who would
buy it? And I want an Elon Musk like figure
(08:27):
to buy TikTok because all I want them to do
is do the same thing that now Facebook says it's
doing and that Twitter does, which is just have a
content neutral policy in place where the algorithm doesn't favor
anything in particular of a political bent and everybody gets
a fair playing field. That's my ideal world for where
(08:49):
we could go with TikTok. Now here's the challenge. The
value of TikTok. I would think buck as it inches
closer to this banning date, which is what like January
ninethe what's the day when it would And for people
who are like, what does a band look like? My
understanding and correct me if I'm wrong on this is
basically the app would no longer be able to update,
(09:10):
and therefore it eventually becomes unusable on iPhones or androids
or whatever else because without being able to update, bugs takeover,
it becomes less efficient all those things.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, and I mean TikTok It's January nineteenth is the date.
And it's a big platform. I mean it claims to
have a billion monthly active users globally and claims to
have one hundred and fifty million monthly active users in
the United States. That seems I mean, I don't see
how that's possible. Considering that would mean that half the
(09:44):
country is basically on using TikTok at least once a month.
That number strikes me as not really possible. But this
is the number that they This is the number that
they put out there officially. I mean, go google it,
you'll find you'll find that that's what they say. I
think it's interesting because from one thing, it's because China
owns this. If this was owned by Sweden or the UK,
(10:08):
or you know, France or something, I don't think that
there would.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Be this issue.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So we clearly put China in a different category of
national security concern. And I've always thought that the spying
components of this, or the ability to spy with this,
is a little bit overblown, considering that TikTok is actually
the TikTok that we use is based in the US
and the servers are based in the US.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And people say, well, they could route it all back
to China. Yeah, Well, the Chinese. The Chinese can hack
into a lot of things, and they have hacked into
a lot of things anyway, but here we have a
major social media platform that seems ripe for the taking
from somebody with very deep pockets, and I would just
love for it to be This is kind.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Of my takeaway on it, Klay.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I would love for this to be an opportunity to
once again push the Internet more toward freedom insanity, which
is what we've seen with X and now somewhat with Facebook.
I would say this too on the Facebook part of this,
which is huge as you all know that Facebook is
moving away from Clay said.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No more DEI programs.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Now they're going to be far more friendly to conservatives
into politics and the free speech stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But is it.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Opportunistic by Zuckerberg? Yeah, of course, But is it still
the direction I want Zuckerberg going?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And yes, So do you think Zuckerberg trump if you
had to bet.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
That's so interesting? Yes, I think. But I don't think
he thinks of himself as a Republican.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I just think I think he recognizes Kamalo's a moron,
and that the whole Democrat campaign was a lie that died,
and the whole thing was a lie, and that Kamala's
competent was a lie, and I think a lot of
the tech bros are in that category. They're not ideologically
we'd even get into some of this on some of
the immigration stuff. There's some disputes on the right. Maybe
we'll talk more about that another time. A lot of
(11:59):
the tech bros are not ideologically right wing, but they
are ideologically results in common sense aligned, and that meant
a rejection of the Democrats in this election.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I agree with you. I think Bezos and Zuckerberg, in
their own private voting actually both voted Trump. I really do.
And by the way, on TikTok, what percentage of our
audience that is listening to us right now? You talked
about the sheer number that they claim. What percentage of
this audience has a TikTok account? I would actually love
to hear from people if you are active on TikTok
(12:32):
and listening to us, what do you think should happen?
And I'm not sure we will get a single call,
by the way, from anybody listening to us is I'm
not sure we'll get a single call from anyone he
uses TikTok frequently.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I could be completely wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I would love to hear from people if TikTok
is your preferred social media site because eight hundred and
two eight two two eight a two, what do you
think as a user should happen here? And also do
you use it? Because one of the things we think
about a lot on this show is how do we
reach audiences in so many different places because we're in
(13:07):
such a unique world now old school. When Rush started
this show, he built a radio universe. There was no podcasting,
there was no video on demand that you could watch
on YouTube of sit down interviews. It was a very
different media environment. So we're trying to be everywhere and
I'm just curious how many people that are listening to
us right now TikTok is your preferred social media platform
(13:29):
and what do you think should happen? Because the politics
on this book are actually pretty fascinating. Trump is against
a band so and Biden is trying to ban it.
So I do think this doesn't line itself up naturally
with Republicans believe X and Democrats believe why as it
pertains to what should happen for TikTok, which is why
(13:52):
I think it's one of the most interesting stories out
there right now.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Sundays with Clay and bus.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
We have got a lot of reaction actually from you
guys out there on TikTok and Tyrrell in New Mexico.
You are a big time TikTok user. What do you
think should happen?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Well, here's the thing. I get. The whole like being
afraid China is you know, spye ons and stuff. But
like you said, they do that all the time. Anyways.
I mean, they've even messed with our waste water plants
and we were able to stop that. That was actually
in an Albuquerque that that happened. So and so, by
(14:34):
the way, don't don't set your waste water plants stuff
up to the internet. But uh so they're able to
do that, so it doesn't matter. It's TikTok. I look,
I look at like you said, dance videos and stuff.
But me so, I'm a machinist by trade, and I've
actually learned a lot of tricks, machinist tricks on TikTok
because I deal with a lot older CNC machines and
(14:56):
they're no longer in the States, most of them, but
I can find overseas video it was on TikTok about
these machines.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm a uturo.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I mean I have learned my reverse seer technique and
my ability to perfectly season a steak thanks to TikTok.
Is I'm like Emerald Leagasi level at this point.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'm not trying to be immodest, but I mean I
make a really mean steak thanks to TikTok.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Not to mention you're incredible dancer now thanks to TikTok. Wow,
you know you know, just I can't stop thinking about
you in that apartment by yourself, dancing TikTok dance moves
like I would give anything their feet.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I get my heart rate.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Are their videos of you doing dance moves to TikTok?
Does this exist anywhere? Is there any evidence? I can't
believe you admitted to this, Like, I can't stop laughing
about you just doing step. There's like step aerobics. You
might as well have a thigh baster getting loose on
your couch. You would choose and summers. I just I can't.
I can't stop laughing about this. All right, No one
(16:02):
wants to go through the hassle of changing their cell
phone service provider.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
But where the dance?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
What's the point of learning?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I'm doing a.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Read Stop Sunday drop with clean Buck.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I'm like, you know, doing the solo thing this weekend.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Carrie is going to visit family, and because I'm sick,
I have the reprieve of, you know, sitting around and
blowing my nose and drinking tea for a couple of
days here Ginger my dog. You guys all know that
also with the in laws. And so, uh, I'm wondering
what it is that you plan on doing this weekend?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Football?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
What is it when you're just football all weekend?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's it's playoff season. So I'm going to watch the
Ohio State Texas game tonight and then I'm watching all
six games on the weekend. I meant to tell you
haven't seen Gladiator too yet? Right?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, how was it?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It was okay? I would give it a solid I mean,
and if you just Gladiator one is a ten, right.
I agreed with that, Clay, and I I think you
are about two letter grades nicer about movies in general
than I am. You're nicer about movie reviews. I would
give it a seven. So it would have if it
stood alone as a movie and Gladiator one had never occurred,
(17:20):
it would be seen. I think as better even than
it is because it's being judged in the context of
the original Gladiator. I would give it a solid seven
out of ten worth going to see. I meant to
give my review. I think this was like right around
Christmas that I went to go see the movie. I
don't know how many other people went out and saw it,
but I would say a solid seven out of ten
(17:42):
worth going to see. I don't even know if it's
still on in the theater or if you can now
get it and stream it. It would definitely be worth
streaming at home.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I haven't been to a movie alone in a very
long I think I've gone once or twice before when
I really wanted to see a movie by myself. I
saw The Passion of the Christ alone. That's I think
the only movie that I've ever seen in theater. And
he saw Mel Gibson's making the rounds these days he
was on The Rogan Show.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
But I might go see nos Faratu.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I'm trying to get myself up to the Have you
guys seen this the remake of the original nos Faratu?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Have you seen the original? I have not seen the original.
I'm a big bram Stokers. Dracula both movie and book fan.
But I hear this movie. I don't know if you
read read the reviews. It's a little uh dark and
funky stuff going on. Bad review Oh, producer Ali says
bad reviews.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I thought the.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Reviews are actually pretty good. The original Nose Faratu. I
took a German film course and I wrote a paper
on the original Nose Faratu movies.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's like the biggest gut course I've ever heard of.
I took a German film course in college.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I also slay Russian Russian cinema Russian cinema courses. Totalitarian
Films was actually really triumph the Wills like I watched
all those movies actually really worth watching. The original notes Faratu,
which is the original Dracula movie nineteen twenty two. I
think it's a silent film classic. I wish I got
(19:08):
to watch it. I wish I could have hug out
with Clay in German film class in college.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Fuss.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You got some talkbacks as well.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Speaking of that, iHeart app. There's a little microphone on it.
You press it, it allows you to do a talkback,
which is like a voicemail.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Do you remember having an answering machine Clay back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh yeah, machine, it was fun. You'd come home, you
didn't have the ability to get reached, and that thing's
blinking and you're like, oh, man, who tried to call me?
What might be there?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, and you'd have to always try to sound a
little clear, like, hey, you've reached five five five five five.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You know, and yeah, you know what I'm talking about,
you answer machine. People know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Let's get talkback here from George, a listener out of
Denver Freedom ninety three seven k KDFD.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
What's going on, George?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
I wanted to weigh in on what Buck is talking
about the creations this year. What I'm gonna do is
when I normally only leave the lights on all night
on Christmas Eve, but this year I'm gonna leave the
lights on all night for inauguration night for Trump. It's
gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh, that's actually cool. You're talking about when you need
to bring down your lights, and that's a cool idea
to leave them up until the twentieth of January when
Trump is inaugurated. As a celebration. I kind of respect
that you and I will be up in DC starting
next week.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I also think, Clay, it's really nice, you know, for
you going int this weekend to know that there are
those in this audience who are so devoted to Clay
and all things Clay Travis, that they're willing to back
you up on your absolute worst takes, no matter what
your take is, no matter how bad it is. There
are those in this audience who will stand in the flames.
They'll do anything too. And here is podcast listener Jill
(20:52):
and Ohio on your pizza taste?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Play it?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
What's up, Clay and Buck? This is Jill in Ohio
and I say absolutely one hundred percent jalapeno, mushroom, maybe
even some banana peppers and the kicker.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
A little Anchovies best pizza ever.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Say, First of all, I appreciate Jill having my back. Buck,
I got obliterated for my true, honest opinion the best
possible pizza out there, mushroom and jalapeno on top. Not
saying everybody's gonna love it, I'm saying it's the best
in my Anchovies though, do we've never had Anchoby pizza. Honestly,
(21:34):
I'm a big fan of seafood, so I probably would
like it. I had a toun to steak last night.
It was fabulous.
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
I remember the first time.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Then I came across or heard about TikTok. It was
during the pandemic. Actually, so I was at home and
I looked something like a wooly mammoth. Did you have
the full like no haircut thing for a long time?
I think I went four or five. I actually cut
my own hair for a while, which was at what ages.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
During the pandemic? Clay not as like a child.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh, I thought you were like talking about like in college,
like you were living and you know, like I'm saying,
when everything was shut down, you could nothing shut down here,
shut down for like a month, I went and just
went to get my haircut like a normal person.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
So so unfair, I should probably share.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I have a photo where I look like, I don't know,
I look like I grew up in a cave or
something or was living.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You couldn't get a haircut in New York.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Absolutely not for months, like I mean, from whatever it
was February, you know, end of February, early March, shutdown
day to June, maybe July.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So I mean, think, what would what would you look like?
Clay Travis, always very well quaffed, mister Clay, what would
you look like with no haircut for six months?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Think about it? Oh, I probably looked like I did
in high school. That's why I thought I was going
to get ridiculed for my You know, my kids have
my high school yearbook photo as their backdrop to make
fun of me on their phones, like and Laura does
my wife like if you like their screensaver is my
senior class yearbook photo.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
You You and my brother are the same year in
My older brother the same year in school.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And I remember this.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
There was a time everybody was listening to Dave Matthews
playing their Hackey Sack, wearing their birken stocks and uh,
and they would they put.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Their hair behind their ears.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's right. Super that was. That was a superstyle.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That was the like I'm preppy, I play soccer and
listen to Dave Matthews and.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, you know, like that was the look for a
while that we had to talk your hair behind the
ear and so I think it would look something like that.
But I still for people who lived in Red States,
what you guys dealt with in New York and California
is like finding out that someone was in a foreign
country because I we shut my gym buck. My gym
(02:33):
was back open, like by the first week of May.
Like they shut down at gym's for like six weeks,
which was stupid. But by May one ish in Tennessee,
if you lived in a normal place, your life was
basically back to normal. May one, twenty twenty, schools opened
back up in August full go. Now people still had
(02:54):
to wear masks. It was stupid, but it was. There
was very little. We COVID exists for like six weeks,
and then people were like, yeah, this is stupid, Like
let's kind of go back to normal.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
New York City.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
My friend in New York City, they had metrics for
reopening gyms and other things. And when we hit the
metrics after all the waiting, de Blasio, because he is
a vile communist and a little dictator at heart, just said, yeah,
I don't care, we're not opening them anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So he set and he said.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You guys had to work out in masks, which is
still crazy to me to think about, Like in the gym,
that you had to have a mask on.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
People would come up to you and yell at you.
On the treadmill.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
If you were on a treadmill without a map, think
about that you had to run with your mask on.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It was the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And danger and along with this and danger so stupid.
Bad for you, by the way, you're all these fibers
and stuff you're in here.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's horrible. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I bring it up because that was when I learned
about TikTok, and I remember the first TikTok video. I'm
getting a little nostalgic about TikTok because it might be
rip TikTok here pretty soon thanks to the Supreme Court.
Uh well, actually not the Supreme Court. It's a law
that's been passed and now the Supreme words winging on it.
But it was a shuffle dance, which I tried a
little bit during COVID. I did not do very well
(04:07):
with that, so you know, do you know what I'm
talking about? That was one of the big things TikTok
went vital for in the early days, teaching people during
COVID how to do these little dance steps at home,
and I did.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Not go through this universe. We were just not that
at home that much.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, mister German cinephile over here, Hold
hold on.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You in your apartment by yourself, were learning how to
do dances. This is what you were doing in your
free time.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I was, you know, like I was trying to pick
up a new hobby. Don't worry about whether it was
dancing or not. The point is that was when I
first saw TikTok.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I can't imagine you. First of all, I told you
this when we first started doing the show in June
of twenty one. Sometime that summer. I was up in
New York and you were like, oh, you can come
see my apartment. And I walked in, and I was like,
I would have gone and absolutely insane if I lived
in a city and they walked down and I had
to stay in an apartment like you're in a high
(05:07):
rise apartment building. The only reason to live in New
York City, in my opinion, is to experience, outside of
your apartment, the life of New York City.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Well, this is why, this is why people decided. Some
people decided to move because they were so upsid. I mean,
New York City absent the use of the city is
it feels like a prison, you know, because you have
no you have no land, you have no outdoor space,
you have no freedom.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So yeah, no, it was particularly brutal.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think it was worse in the I think the
lockdown was worse in New York City than it was
honestly anywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Else in the entire I think that's probably true because
at least in La by and large, people had land,
Like there were a lot of crazy towns. But to
your point, you're basically in a high rise prison if
you can't leave your apartment and a lot of people
you don't even have you did not have outdoor air,
like you didn't have like a balcony where you could
even go outside and like get fresh air. Like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yes, and uh and I couldn't even get a haircut
for months, So I managed to buy myself a pair
of like Crayola scissors off of Amazon and then just
sit there and try to cut my hair so it
wouldn't be so long as in my eyes anyway. Ah,
Memories memories TikTok. That's how I learned about it. And
then all of a sudden you get there's some there's
some cool content on there.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
There's this guy who takes a lot of you you've
probably if you haven't seen this. I think his name
is Donnie Dust and he takes like tools and someone
will say, can you make a tomahawk with you know,
a stick in a rock? And he just does it
right in front of you. It's amazing. There's some cool
stuff on there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Problem is it's owned by China and it's a Chinese
spying app or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, that's the problem. That's why everyone's also freaked out
about this.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So Supreme Court looks like they're going to uphold the
law after oral arguments this morning, after both Republicans and
Democrats had decided that there was a national security risk
from TikTok, and so they passed.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
This law that said it has to be sold or will.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Be basically shut down in the United States. So really
it seems like they got to find a buyer for it. Here, Clay, So,
do you know anybody we got to keep this thing alive.
There is so much great cooking content and actually a
lot of good fitness content on TikTok as well.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I know everyone just thinks that they're trying to steal
all your data for China, but at least you can
get abs in the process.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I so here's a Ali just texted us producer Ali
that Elon should buy it. So here is the challenge
as I see it. And we had an actual discussion
about this yesterday because I don't think this is an
easy answer. You believe that it should basically exist as
is right, is a rough way of describing your position.
(07:42):
My position is I actually do not believe that China
should be able to own this company, which I believe
is more powerful as a media entity than the New
York Times is, than the Washington Post is, than Fox
News is, than the Wall Street Journal is what media
outlet you enjoy consuming. And we would never allow the
(08:04):
four things that I just ticked through to be owned
by a foreigner because of the impact that it could have.
So I think, and you were just kind of hitting
at this, I think that TikTok should be forced to
divest itself of Chinese ownership of its US based assets.
And then the question beyond that becomes okay, who would
buy it? And I want an Elon Musk like figure
(08:27):
to buy TikTok because all I want them to do
is do the same thing that now Facebook says it's
doing and that Twitter does, which is just have a
content neutral policy in place where the algorithm doesn't favor
anything in particular of a political bent and everybody gets
a fair playing field. That's my ideal world for where
(08:49):
we could go with TikTok. Now here's the challenge. The
value of TikTok. I would think buck as it inches
closer to this banning date, which is what like January
ninethe what's the day when it would And for people
who are like, what does a band look like? My
understanding and correct me if I'm wrong on this is
basically the app would no longer be able to update,
(09:10):
and therefore it eventually becomes unusable on iPhones or androids
or whatever else because without being able to update, bugs takeover,
it becomes less efficient all those things.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, and I mean TikTok It's January nineteenth is the date.
And it's a big platform. I mean it claims to
have a billion monthly active users globally and claims to
have one hundred and fifty million monthly active users in
the United States. That seems I mean, I don't see
how that's possible. Considering that would mean that half the
(09:44):
country is basically on using TikTok at least once a month.
That number strikes me as not really possible. But this
is the number that they This is the number that
they put out there officially. I mean, go google it,
you'll find you'll find that that's what they say. I
think it's interesting because from one thing, it's because China
owns this. If this was owned by Sweden or the UK,
(10:08):
or you know, France or something, I don't think that
there would.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Be this issue.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So we clearly put China in a different category of
national security concern. And I've always thought that the spying
components of this, or the ability to spy with this,
is a little bit overblown, considering that TikTok is actually
the TikTok that we use is based in the US
and the servers are based in the US.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And people say, well, they could route it all back
to China. Yeah, Well, the Chinese. The Chinese can hack
into a lot of things, and they have hacked into
a lot of things anyway, but here we have a
major social media platform that seems ripe for the taking
from somebody with very deep pockets, and I would just
love for it to be This is kind.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Of my takeaway on it, Klay.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I would love for this to be an opportunity to
once again push the Internet more toward freedom insanity, which
is what we've seen with X and now somewhat with Facebook.
I would say this too on the Facebook part of this,
which is huge as you all know that Facebook is
moving away from Clay said.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No more DEI programs.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Now they're going to be far more friendly to conservatives
into politics and the free speech stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But is it.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Opportunistic by Zuckerberg? Yeah, of course, But is it still
the direction I want Zuckerberg going?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And yes, So do you think Zuckerberg trump if you
had to bet.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
That's so interesting? Yes, I think. But I don't think
he thinks of himself as a Republican.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I just think I think he recognizes Kamalo's a moron,
and that the whole Democrat campaign was a lie that died,
and the whole thing was a lie, and that Kamala's
competent was a lie, and I think a lot of
the tech bros are in that category. They're not ideologically
we'd even get into some of this on some of
the immigration stuff. There's some disputes on the right. Maybe
we'll talk more about that another time. A lot of
(11:59):
the tech bros are not ideologically right wing, but they
are ideologically results in common sense aligned, and that meant
a rejection of the Democrats in this election.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I agree with you. I think Bezos and Zuckerberg, in
their own private voting actually both voted Trump. I really do.
And by the way, on TikTok, what percentage of our
audience that is listening to us right now? You talked
about the sheer number that they claim. What percentage of
this audience has a TikTok account? I would actually love
to hear from people if you are active on TikTok
(12:32):
and listening to us, what do you think should happen?
And I'm not sure we will get a single call,
by the way, from anybody listening to us is I'm
not sure we'll get a single call from anyone he
uses TikTok frequently.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I could be completely wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I would love to hear from people if TikTok
is your preferred social media site because eight hundred and
two eight two two eight a two, what do you
think as a user should happen here? And also do
you use it? Because one of the things we think
about a lot on this show is how do we
reach audiences in so many different places because we're in
(13:07):
such a unique world now old school. When Rush started
this show, he built a radio universe. There was no podcasting,
there was no video on demand that you could watch
on YouTube of sit down interviews. It was a very
different media environment. So we're trying to be everywhere and
I'm just curious how many people that are listening to
us right now TikTok is your preferred social media platform
(13:29):
and what do you think should happen? Because the politics
on this book are actually pretty fascinating. Trump is against
a band so and Biden is trying to ban it.
So I do think this doesn't line itself up naturally
with Republicans believe X and Democrats believe why as it
pertains to what should happen for TikTok, which is why
(13:52):
I think it's one of the most interesting stories out
there right now.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Sundays with Clay and bus.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
We have got a lot of reaction actually from you
guys out there on TikTok and Tyrrell in New Mexico.
You are a big time TikTok user. What do you
think should happen?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Well, here's the thing. I get. The whole like being
afraid China is you know, spye ons and stuff. But
like you said, they do that all the time. Anyways.
I mean, they've even messed with our waste water plants
and we were able to stop that. That was actually
in an Albuquerque that that happened. So and so, by
(14:34):
the way, don't don't set your waste water plants stuff
up to the internet. But uh so they're able to
do that, so it doesn't matter. It's TikTok. I look,
I look at like you said, dance videos and stuff.
But me so, I'm a machinist by trade, and I've
actually learned a lot of tricks, machinist tricks on TikTok
because I deal with a lot older CNC machines and
(14:56):
they're no longer in the States, most of them, but
I can find overseas video it was on TikTok about
these machines.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm a uturo.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I mean I have learned my reverse seer technique and
my ability to perfectly season a steak thanks to TikTok.
Is I'm like Emerald Leagasi level at this point.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'm not trying to be immodest, but I mean I
make a really mean steak thanks to TikTok.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Not to mention you're incredible dancer now thanks to TikTok. Wow,
you know you know, just I can't stop thinking about
you in that apartment by yourself, dancing TikTok dance moves
like I would give anything their feet.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I get my heart rate.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Are their videos of you doing dance moves to TikTok?
Does this exist anywhere? Is there any evidence? I can't
believe you admitted to this, Like, I can't stop laughing
about you just doing step. There's like step aerobics. You
might as well have a thigh baster getting loose on
your couch. You would choose and summers. I just I can't.
I can't stop laughing about this. All right, No one
(16:02):
wants to go through the hassle of changing their cell
phone service provider.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
But where the dance?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
What's the point of learning?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I'm doing a.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Read Stop Sunday drop with clean Buck.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I'm like, you know, doing the solo thing this weekend.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Carrie is going to visit family, and because I'm sick,
I have the reprieve of, you know, sitting around and
blowing my nose and drinking tea for a couple of
days here Ginger my dog. You guys all know that
also with the in laws. And so, uh, I'm wondering
what it is that you plan on doing this weekend?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Football?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
What is it when you're just football all weekend?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's it's playoff season. So I'm going to watch the
Ohio State Texas game tonight and then I'm watching all
six games on the weekend. I meant to tell you
haven't seen Gladiator too yet? Right?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, how was it?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It was okay? I would give it a solid I mean,
and if you just Gladiator one is a ten, right.
I agreed with that, Clay, and I I think you
are about two letter grades nicer about movies in general
than I am. You're nicer about movie reviews. I would
give it a seven. So it would have if it
stood alone as a movie and Gladiator one had never occurred,
(17:20):
it would be seen. I think as better even than
it is because it's being judged in the context of
the original Gladiator. I would give it a solid seven
out of ten worth going to see. I meant to
give my review. I think this was like right around
Christmas that I went to go see the movie. I
don't know how many other people went out and saw it,
but I would say a solid seven out of ten
(17:42):
worth going to see. I don't even know if it's
still on in the theater or if you can now
get it and stream it. It would definitely be worth
streaming at home.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I haven't been to a movie alone in a very
long I think I've gone once or twice before when
I really wanted to see a movie by myself. I
saw The Passion of the Christ alone. That's I think
the only movie that I've ever seen in theater. And
he saw Mel Gibson's making the rounds these days he
was on The Rogan Show.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
But I might go see nos Faratu.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I'm trying to get myself up to the Have you
guys seen this the remake of the original nos Faratu?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Have you seen the original? I have not seen the original.
I'm a big bram Stokers. Dracula both movie and book fan.
But I hear this movie. I don't know if you
read read the reviews. It's a little uh dark and
funky stuff going on. Bad review Oh, producer Ali says
bad reviews.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I thought the.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Reviews are actually pretty good. The original Nose Faratu. I
took a German film course and I wrote a paper
on the original Nose Faratu movies.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
That's like the biggest gut course I've ever heard of.
I took a German film course in college.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I also slay Russian Russian cinema Russian cinema courses. Totalitarian
Films was actually really triumph the Wills like I watched
all those movies actually really worth watching. The original notes Faratu,
which is the original Dracula movie nineteen twenty two. I
think it's a silent film classic. I wish I got
(19:08):
to watch it. I wish I could have hug out
with Clay in German film class in college.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Fuss.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You got some talkbacks as well.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Speaking of that, iHeart app. There's a little microphone on it.
You press it, it allows you to do a talkback,
which is like a voicemail.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Do you remember having an answering machine Clay back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh yeah, machine, it was fun. You'd come home, you
didn't have the ability to get reached, and that thing's
blinking and you're like, oh, man, who tried to call me?
What might be there?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, and you'd have to always try to sound a
little clear, like, hey, you've reached five five five five five.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You know, and yeah, you know what I'm talking about,
you answer machine. People know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Let's get talkback here from George, a listener out of
Denver Freedom ninety three seven k KDFD.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
What's going on, George?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
I wanted to weigh in on what Buck is talking
about the creations this year. What I'm gonna do is
when I normally only leave the lights on all night
on Christmas Eve, but this year I'm gonna leave the
lights on all night for inauguration night for Trump. It's
gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh, that's actually cool. You're talking about when you need
to bring down your lights, and that's a cool idea
to leave them up until the twentieth of January when
Trump is inaugurated. As a celebration. I kind of respect
that you and I will be up in DC starting
next week.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I also think, Clay, it's really nice, you know, for
you going int this weekend to know that there are
those in this audience who are so devoted to Clay
and all things Clay Travis, that they're willing to back
you up on your absolute worst takes, no matter what
your take is, no matter how bad it is. There
are those in this audience who will stand in the flames.
They'll do anything too. And here is podcast listener Jill
(20:52):
and Ohio on your pizza taste?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Play it?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
What's up, Clay and Buck? This is Jill in Ohio
and I say absolutely one hundred percent jalapeno, mushroom, maybe
even some banana peppers and the kicker.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
A little Anchovies best pizza ever.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Say, First of all, I appreciate Jill having my back. Buck,
I got obliterated for my true, honest opinion the best
possible pizza out there, mushroom and jalapeno on top. Not
saying everybody's gonna love it, I'm saying it's the best
in my Anchovies though, do we've never had Anchoby pizza. Honestly,
(21:34):
I'm a big fan of seafood, so I probably would
like it. I had a toun to steak last night.
It was fabulous.
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