February 9, 2025 • 28 mins
Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt and Chief Pentagon Spokesman Sean Parnell join the show to talk about their new roles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is an unhabitable place for human beings. Do you
really think that that families can live their dream in
a region that looks like this with no running water,
no electricity. And the Special Envoy to the President, Steve Whitcoff,
recently traveled to Gaza, as you all know, and he
came back with images that he showed the President of
the dire situation here, and the President made this decision
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with a humanitarian heart for all people in the region.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Caroline Levitt joins us now she is the White House
Press Secretary. Caroline, appreciate you making the time. I know
you just finished, so you're probably a little fatigued of
answer questions, but here you get you get more time,
and there's no bickering to try to get questions your
way from the audience.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So that's good.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't really want to have you react to yourself.
But on the Gaza issue, and we just heard what
you said during the press conference, where is the president's
mind on this? I mean, is this just the early
phases or does he have some pathways that he wants
to explore that he's already thought through a bit.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Hey sure, guys, Well thanks for having me. It's great
to be with you. It's my first time, I think
joining since I've been in my new job. So last
time I was with you, we were campaigning all over
the country and now we're governing and it's a lot
of fun and we're getting a lot done. And when
it comes to Gaza, as I just answered in my
press conference moments ago, you know, the President has socialized
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this idea for quite some time. He's talks to his
partners in the region in the Middle East about this
what he've used as an opportunity to rebuild this region
as a peaceful and habitable place for people that clearly
have been displaced because of Hamas's actions and of Rainian
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back terris in the region, which have really led to
the demolition of Gaza. So, look, I think it's an
out of the box idea. But that's why the American
people elected Donald Trump to actually solve problems and not
just resort back to the same old broken thinking that
got us into this mess in the first place.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So Caroline on this show, we're pretty By the way,
Clay is on his way currently flying down for the
super Bowl, so he's in the super Bowl zone. He
has to remind me that the super Bowl is this Sunday.
So I am not flying to the super Bowl. But
the executive order that President Trump is going to be signing,
I believe imminently right in the next hour or so
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is it's scheduled. So President Trump is going to be
signing an executive order dealing with banning transgender athletes from
women's sports. What are the mechanisms of enforcement on this
and how did the President come to this as something
he's hitting right away in the first thirty days.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, So the President has been very vocal and persistent
about his goal to end the participation of biological men
and women's sports. And I can't even believe I have
to say that out loud, but that's what this country
has come to, and I think it's a big reason
the American people re elected President Trump. So here we
are today. He is going to be signing this EEO
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around three o'clock PM Eastern time. There will be tens
of amazing, incredible athletes, female athletes, accomplished individuals, Riley Gaines,
who I know, you guys know very well Stage Steele,
who participated in my briefing today. And the President's executive
order will uphold the promise of Title nine and it
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will require the Department of Justice to basically reverse the
policies of the previous administration. What was happening was Biden
administration was essentially subverting Title nind and basically breaking the
law with their illegal rewrite of the law that focus
on gender identity instead of biological sex. And so the
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President signed an executive order previously last week that says
that it's the official policy of the United States government
that there are only two sexes, male and female. And so,
you know, he's made it very clear that's the position
now of this government, and he's going to direct the
Department of Justice to ensure that all schools are abiding
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by this new law.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You know, Caroline, I think it's so important, it's so
obviously the right thing to do, and it's also remarkable
that they're still opposition to this. So that's so widespread
among Democrats in the media and even Democrats in Congress
that they still seem to cling to this idea that
you know, a man can become a woman and therefore
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should compete in women's athletics. It strikes me is insane.
I'm glad today's International Women's Sports Day too, Right, So
there's some symbolism, is yeah, yeah, some symbolism behind this.
So I think Trump is doing at President Trump's doing
absolutely the right thing. Something that I did not know,
which I think is when it comes to the Shenanigans
of the left, Caroline, that is something I rarely say
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on this show, but I have to say something I
did not know was the funding that we are discovering.
I know you addressed this just before in the press
conference with regard to Politico, but now Elon Musk of
DOGE has also shared that The New York Times has
gotten tens of millions of dollars paid to it from
federal government agencies. What is going on here?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yes, it's a very good question, and that's exactly why
the president has hired Elon Musk. Not hired because he's
working voluntarily and donating his time to serve at the
request of the president, but as task Elon Musk was
figuring out what is going on with our federal government?
And we are DOGE and the president team are going
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line by line throughout these federal agencies and realizing the
federal government has been wasting money. There is so much
fraud and waste and abuse, and we are just getting started.
So subscriptions services and essentially subsidizing these very left wing
media outlets in this country is just one thing on
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the list. I mean, I held up the paper today
of all the crazy things that USAID has been spending
money on millions of dollars towards LGBTQ priorities in foreign countries.
I mean, that's not aligned with the priorities and the
needs of the American people. And that's exactly why Elon
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Musk and the President are moving forward with this effort
to ensure that the federal government is running itself like
a company and focusing on money and money out and
what do we actually need to spend money on. And
so it's very exciting to see all of the crazy
things that DOGE is revealing every single day and enlightening
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the American people about where their tax dollars are going.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
My understanding is that they're now looking caroline at the
payments made to Medicare, which has always been This is
amazing and kind of jaw dropping when you hear it
a place that there's just been the assumption billions, tens
of billions, perhaps even one hundred billion plus of annual
fraud occurs. Is if the administration's expectation that what we're
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seeing in terms of not just kind of bizarre partisan spending,
but fraudulent spending from years past and the federal government
is going to be we're just seeing the tip of
the iceberg. We're going to find a lot more.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Oh most definitely. I mean, look again, they've just scratching
the surface and are already finding million, tens of millions
of dollars in wasteful spending. You know, we also the
President and this team also offered the federal buyout program
to federal workers who are not actually showing up to work.
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They have been working from homes. Only six percent of
the federal workforce actually shows up to the White House.
That's unbelievable. Most Americans, who, by the way, fund the
salaries of bureaucrafts and mint City, have to show up
to the office. And I think it's a very simple
common sense expectation to think federal government workers should do
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the same. So we offered an eight month buyout, and
more than forty thousand people have taken us up on
the offer to just hang out at home get eight
paid months of leave. And I think we're going to
have We're already seeing tremendous savings from this buyout program
for the American people, and we're going to have a
much more efficient workforce as a result as well.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is there a plan we've seen reporting? We're speaking to
Caroline Levitt, White House Press Secretary, fresh off of just
doing a briefing in the West Wing. She's kind enough
to join us here on Clay and Buck. Is is
there are a plan to further cut the size of
these federal agencies involuntarily? And I asked because, and having
worked at the CIA, Carolina, I remember some of the
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rules and regulations around this. There seems to be a
widespread belief that civil servants without you know, criminal malfeasance
cannot be fired. What can you tell us about what
the administration's view of that is and the sense that
they can just sort of wait it out.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Well, that's one of the reasons we have offered this
buyout program, because it is again a voluntary program for
workers who don't want to get on board with this
president's agenda which he was just duly elected to implement.
Who don't want to be productive workers and show up
to the office. Well then they get this offer of
eight months you know pay, and you know, the administration
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will continue to look at legal options for you know,
terminating individuals, but for now, you know, they're again being
offered very generous sums to go home if they wish.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Wow, So there is there's possitive the possibility down the
line though of involuntary departures from federal service. So we'll
continue to watch and see how that plays out. How
is the I'm really curious about this. You know, I
knew you're a predecessor. I know you do too from
the Trump administration Kelly MCANENNI and saw what she dealt with.
It feels like the manners from some in the press
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corps or maybe uh improving, perhaps they're a little less
hostile than they What would just just bring us into
the feel that you have from doing this now a
couple of weeks in and dealing with the press day
in and day out, because we're in a very different
media environment now than we were even certainly at the
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start of the Biden administration.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know, I will say that they are very respectful.
They're almost subdued, I would say, and I'm not sure
if there's there's just so much news happening out of
this White House every day that they don't they can't
keep up.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
They've certainly expressed off the record to me and our
team at the pace of this White House is drastically
different than in the past four years. I mean, doesn't
take a genius to recognize that. Just look at everything
we're doing every day. So me perhaps that's discouraged them
a little bit. They can't help they can't stand all
of the winning that we are doing every day here
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at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. But look, I think you know,
we've opened up this this briefing room to new media members.
We have really proven that this president is the most
transparent and accessible president ever and he takes questions from
them almost every day. And it's a stark contrast to
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what they experienced in the last four years, where you had,
you know, a spokeswoman who was going out there and
lying to their faces, and you had a president who
hardly spoke to them. So now all of that has
changed very quickly, and I think even if they don't
like Donald Trump, they will admit that he is incredibly transparent,
accessible and honest, and so maybe that's why they're being
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definitely more chill. I would say this time around me,
in the first four.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Years, Play and I are both duly impressed but not
surprised by how well you've leapt into this role at
the start of the administration as White House Press Secretary.
So congrats on what you and the administration and President
Trump have accomplished so far. I know this audience is
incredibly supportive and fired up about what is coming and
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the full agenda being implemented, and we appreciate you make
the time for us and hope you'll come back soon.
Clay wants you to come back soon so he can
talk to you, so he's bummed, but he'll be back
next time.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Well, thank you guys so much. We love what you're doing,
and hopefully we'll see you soon in the briefing room someday.
You're always welcome.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh, Clay and I already just thinking about when we're
gonna put it on the calendar. We're going to come
and hang out it's going to be fantastic. We'll have
some good news that day. Thank you so much, Caroline.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
We are joined now by our friend guys stepping straight,
Buck from the podcast Universe of Clay and Buck in
as the spokesperson for the Pentagon. He is our friend
Sean Parnell. Sean, this is pretty bad ass. We appreciate
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you coming on man. Congrats.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Thank you so much both to you, Clay and Buck,
you know, for so much for the opportunity to have
a podcast on your network. And by the way, you know,
we should judge the quality of the relationships that we
have with people in our lives based upon whether or
not they're there for us when times are bad. And
I was going through a real rough time and you
all were there for me from the very beginning, never
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wavered once. And you know, it was just an honor
to be to be a small part of what you
all have built. So thank you both, and you're hire
team for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well, we're so proud of you man, honestly, and you
know we were proud of you before as our friend
and as a warrior and a patriot for this country
and to see you get elevated to an Assistant Secretary
of Defense role, and not only that, but also to
be the right hand communications man for Pete Hegseth, Secretary
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of Defense heg Seth, who is a friend of yours,
a friend of ours. I think this is fantastic for
the country. And we also want to take a moment
to just say that we are again so proud of you.
And it's so cool that, you know, we bring in
the best. I mean, I feel like Trump here, Sean.
We you know, we take the best people, we put
them on the podcast. We put the best people on
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the podcast network play in Butt, and we're really really
excited about it. I mean, tell everybody, you know, tell
everybody what your thoughts are right now about how you
can help along with Secretary heg Seth, just reorient the
mission the understanding of what needs to be done. I mean,
what are your plans now since you're going to be
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speaking for the most important military force in the history
of the planet.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well, first of all, let me tell you just a
little quick personal story. You know, after nine to eleven,
I was really angry. I don't come from a long
line of military generals in my family or non commission
officers in my family. The towers went down on nine
to eleven, and I just remember getting I was so
afraid and I was so angry all at the same time,
and I said, you know, I got to do something
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about this. And so two days after nine to eleven,
went down to the recruiter, said I wanted to join
the infantry, not just that. Wanted to go to airborne
schools so the Army could teach me how to jump
out of perfectly get airplanes. Wanted to go to ranger
school because it was the best leadership school that the
Army had to offer. And I wanted to be the
best leader that I could for my troops. And then
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a few years later I found myself boots on the
ground in Afghanistan in two thousand and six with the
greatest group of men. It was just men in the infantry,
greatest group of men that you could possibly imagine, who taught,
coached and mentored me every step of the way on
what it means to be a servant. Leader of the
Outlaw Platoon was our name. And you know, I always
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understood academically that yes, we are an amazing military force,
most the best military fighting force in the face of
the planet, but also a benevolent force as well. It
does an extraordinary amount of good all across the world.
But I didn't really fully grasp it until I was
fighting and bleeding with those men on the battlefield and
learning about the legacies and history of these units. And
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so one of the things that I've always regretted is
that I didn't understand going in on the front end
of my service that we are truly standing on the
shoulders of giants from every warrior generation. I mean, we
have what we have here in this country because of them,
men and women who are willing to put on the
uniform and go to dark places and defend our freedom.
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And now I have the amazing and awe and enormous
responsibility of going in on the front end recognizing all
of that. So, to directly answer your question, part of
that is to be represent warriors past, but everyone that
wears the uniform today and everyone that will wear the
uniform in the future, they need to know that the
sole purpose and our sole focus, and our sole mission
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at the Pentagon and Department at Defense is going to
be readiness and lethality, and that's what kids that are
wondering whether or not they're going to join the military,
that's what they want. Are they going to get the
best toughest training in the world. Are they going to
be able to prove themselves to both themselves and their
peers that they can handle the best training in the world,
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take it and serve something greater than themselves. And we're
going to deliver on that mission. But I mean, we've
already exceeded recruiting goals in the month of December just
based on President Trump's election. But by the end of
this year, I guarantee you we are not going to
be in the grips of this great recruiting crisis that
we're in right now, because you're going to see a
drastic shift evolving the Force from you know, a focus
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on social experimentation and insane stuff like that diversity, equity inclusion,
which is which has been a disaster for a force,
to readiness, a mission focus, and lethality, which is where
it belongs.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Sean Buck and I every day just feel like this
is unbelievable. I know you're a sports guy. It's like Trump.
It's like Trump has twenty home runs in April. I
mean every day. If you're a golfer, it's like, you know,
sometimes you stand in the tea box and you hit
a great tea shot and you get to think, like, hey,
maybe I'm gonna burn you this hole. It doesn't happen to.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Me a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But when I do golf and I hit a good
t shot, like I feel like every time every day
we wake up, Trump is just striping one right down
the center of the free freeway a fair way, And
I don't remember ever feeling like this before. How excited
are you to be a part of the administration? But
do you feel that same way? Like man like, Unlike
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so many politicians, he told us exactly what he was
gonna do and then and this is what it shouldn't
feel crazy, But then he got into office and he
just did it. It's so transactional delivery on a level,
frankly that I don't ever remember a foreign politics. What's
it feel like to be joining up? And do you
feel the same way? Sixteen seventeen days in.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yes, Actually, I turned to my wife, Commander Melanie as
she's known on the podcast, and I said, you know,
President Trump, this guy is the best president, certainly of
my lifetime, bar none. He said exactly what he was
gonna do on the campaign troll, and by the way,
he never once bent to group think on the side
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of the Republicans or Democrats or the conventional wisdom of anything. Yea,
even during the darkest, most difficult times, I never saw
that man waiver one single time in what he believed,
whether it was regarding election integrity, his vision on American
foreign policy, his vision on the southern border. From the
moment he came down the esqu it's always been exactly
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the same. And despite withering resistance on all sides, Democrat, Republicans,
the media, I've never experienced anything in my life. Having
run for in two election cycles in twenty twenty and
then in twenty twenty two, which, by the way, we're
pretty crazy election cycles, both of those pale in comparison
to what twenty twenty four was like, with two assassination attempts.
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The mugshot that feels like it was ten years ago.
Everyone discounted this guy, Everyone thought it was not possible.
At some point or another, people are like, how is
this guy going to handle this? But none of that,
he defied all of the odds. And now he's in
office and he's accomplished more in eighteen days than Biden
did in four years. And I think the vast majority
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of Americans, including Democrats, by the way, which they are
totally weak and leaderless, right now, I think they're finally
seeing holy smokes, we America did not have a president
for four years. We basically had a bunch of twenty
something thirty something staffers behind the curtain, you know, putting
executive orders in front of a president who wasn't there cognitively.
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And by the way, the cats out of the bag
with that. Everybody knows it. This is what it's like
to have an American president, you know, overcome all odds
seriously and do the things that he promised on behalf
of the American people. And by the way, I bet
you the Democrats and the media are wishing that he won,
that they didn't stand in the way of him winning
in twenty twenty because this president now.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I tweeted that earlier today, Sean, you know this, everybody listening.
I think he's going to do more in six months
than he would have in four years if he had
been president twenty twints.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's like the Democrats decided that Trump had to have
his Rocky in Siberia training montage for four years under Biden,
and you know he was he was ready for the
big fight when it came up. And we're seeing that
right now. Speaking of Sean Parnell soon to be installed
as the Pentagon spokesman, and so those of you who
have been listening to Sean on the podcast, we're going
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to put a little little hold on that while he
goes and serves his country at a senior level at
the Pentagon, and we're very very happy for him, very
proud of him for doing so. John, just give me
a sense most important things that could be fixed with
the military. You know, you got Secretary Hegseet, who we
all have very high opinion of, have known you and
I have known Pete for fifteen years now, are going
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on fifteen years, and you're gonna be able to actually
do things right. It's not just going to be the
kind of business as usual approach to what our warfighters need.
What are some of the top of the agenda items.
Now that you're going to a level of the Pentagon
where you know you're going to be responsible for communicating it.
Pete's going to be responsible for fixing it.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you. I think Agenda Item one, you know,
because ultimately I work for Secretary heg Sat, the President
of the United States and the American people is bring
a level of radical transparency to the Department of Defense.
And no, I'm not talking about disclosing classified material and
public seting. No, I don't mean that. But the American
people have lost an enormous amount of faith in our institutions,
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especially once venerated institutions like the Department of Defense. Part
of my job is going to be to communicate honestly,
in transparency and transparently with the American people, the American media,
and Congress to earn back that trust. The second part
of it is DEI has got to go. Anyone that
you hear says, oh, diversities are strength, Well, yeah, diversity
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is a strength. It's nice having different perspectives around the table.
But what makes the American military the most lethal fighting
force in the face of the planet is at one
point during basic training, we all put aside our differences
and say, you know, there's no hyphenated Americans here. We're
all just Americans fighting behind the same mission. That is
ultimately the differentiating factor on the battlefield that makes us
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so lethal. We've got to evolve our army from you know,
insulated brigade combat teams that were largely focused on you know,
asymmetric threat of you know, Islamic Islamic extremism and global terror,
which by the way, still exists. Still have to be
able to combat that, but we've got to evolve our
force to be able to face more conventional threats like
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Russia in China. We've got to rapidly adapt to accommodate
for the threat of AI integrated drones things like that.
We got to start shipbuilding in our navy. You know,
there's so many things that have to be done and
have to be done quickly to get our military back
on course to We don't want to fight wars okay
at all. But the best way to not fight wars
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is to deter them, right And so Teddy Roosevelt said,
you know, speaks softly and carry a big stick. Under
President Trump and speak loudly and carry a big stick.
Turns out that works pretty good as well. So gon
we're going to deter conflicts and deter global wars keep
America's sons and daughters out of the fight by building
the biggest, strongest military on the face of the planet
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to keep the peace.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
John, we are super exciting for you. It's the Super Bowl,
as you well know. I want to get your Super
Bowl pick. But you are a monster Pittsburgh steel The
biggest question for Steeler Nation is what do you do
at quarterback going forward.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I don't know. People think that Justin Fields is gonna
be the guy. Uh. I don't think that's going to
be the case. The Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh Steelers have a real problem.
I think they really have an ownership problem. You know,
I I really believe that. I'm sure Mike Tomlin is
a great guy, but I think the organization just needs overhaul.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We don't win in the playoffs anymore. That's a real problem.
Just looking at the team as a whole and saying like, well, hey,
we're above average on all of these stats. I'm sorry.
In the city of Pittsburgh, that's not good enough. We're
about winning championships in this city, and so I think
the organization as a whole just needs a complete mind
mindset shift to be a championship caliber team. Again, it's
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not just about winning or having winning season, which, by
the way, is the most meaningless stat in the history
of NFL football. Who cares if you had a winning
season if you're not actually winning playoff games and championships. Uh.
But as far as the Super Bowl, I'm sad to say,
as a monster NFL football fan, I'm gonna watch it,
but the Chiefs and the Eagles. I'm from Pennsylvania, but
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I will never be one of those political types that
wears half Steelers and half Eagles.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I know, I load the Eagles. I load the Chiefs.
I don't want to see another second of Travis Kelcey
and Taylor Swift on the screen. I just kind of
load the idea of watching the Super Bowl this year.
My friend, well, buck bold, but do you yeah, it
is very bold.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I do love It does drive me crazy when people
try a lot of politicians try to pretend that they
are sports fans, and then they're like, I love the
Steelers and I love the Eagle. That's impossible. If you're
from Pennsylvania, you like one or the other, and everybody
who's a sports fan is like, yeah, you're full of it.
Now you might root for another team, like sometimes there's
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probably some guys that are Cowboy fans, god forbid who
live in Pennsylvania. But at least you can't claim to
root for both of them, like you can't be from Alabama.
Katie Britt, you know, is not going to say she
it's a Obama girl. He's not gonna say, oh, I
also love Auburn. Meanwhile, Tubberville, he's an Auburn guy. He's
not like I love Alabama. People respect if you just
own what you actually believe in all facets, including sports.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It has to be that way. And by the way,
my wife is the same way. She's a huge New
England Patriots fan, actually a real Tom Brady fan, but
also a Baltimore Ravens fan. So let me just tell
you we have real interesting NFL football Sundays in Fort
Parnell when you're cheered for the Ravens and everyone in
my family are big Steelers fans. Sometimes there could be
a little conflict there, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
We By the way, Buck and I are super interested.
I don't Buck may have been I've never been to
the Pentagon before. We're gonna come. Have you ever had
it either? Which is crazy given I worked at the CIA,
but I went to all the other big buildings, never
got inside the Pentagon. I only did the Intel agencies.
We are gonna come visit you when you were up
working at some point in DC. We look forward to it.
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And again, congratulations, and we are super proud of you.
And I know the audiences as well.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well. You all are welcome anytime in the Pentagon press
room or if you want to broadcast from the Pentagon,
we will figure out a way to make that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh that would actually be super cool.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
But thank you for the opportunity both of you. Again,
it was just an honor to be a small part
of your network, and thank you for everything that you've
done for me.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, keep killing it, enjoy the super Bowl even if
you don't want to watch. And man, we know you're
going to do a great job. Services in good hands
with you. We look forward to seeing how you're going
to do.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Thanks guys,
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Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts Now.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
This is an unhabitable place for human beings. Do you
really think that that families can live their dream in
a region that looks like this with no running water,
no electricity. And the Special Envoy to the President, Steve Whitcoff,
recently traveled to Gaza, as you all know, and he
came back with images that he showed the President of
the dire situation here, and the President made this decision
(00:36):
with a humanitarian heart for all people in the region.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Caroline Levitt joins us now she is the White House
Press Secretary. Caroline, appreciate you making the time. I know
you just finished, so you're probably a little fatigued of
answer questions, but here you get you get more time,
and there's no bickering to try to get questions your
way from the audience.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So that's good.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't really want to have you react to yourself.
But on the Gaza issue, and we just heard what
you said during the press conference, where is the president's
mind on this? I mean, is this just the early
phases or does he have some pathways that he wants
to explore that he's already thought through a bit.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Hey sure, guys, Well thanks for having me. It's great
to be with you. It's my first time, I think
joining since I've been in my new job. So last
time I was with you, we were campaigning all over
the country and now we're governing and it's a lot
of fun and we're getting a lot done. And when
it comes to Gaza, as I just answered in my
press conference moments ago, you know, the President has socialized
(01:38):
this idea for quite some time. He's talks to his
partners in the region in the Middle East about this
what he've used as an opportunity to rebuild this region
as a peaceful and habitable place for people that clearly
have been displaced because of Hamas's actions and of Rainian
(01:58):
back terris in the region, which have really led to
the demolition of Gaza. So, look, I think it's an
out of the box idea. But that's why the American
people elected Donald Trump to actually solve problems and not
just resort back to the same old broken thinking that
got us into this mess in the first place.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So Caroline on this show, we're pretty By the way,
Clay is on his way currently flying down for the
super Bowl, so he's in the super Bowl zone. He
has to remind me that the super Bowl is this Sunday.
So I am not flying to the super Bowl. But
the executive order that President Trump is going to be signing,
I believe imminently right in the next hour or so
(02:35):
is it's scheduled. So President Trump is going to be
signing an executive order dealing with banning transgender athletes from
women's sports. What are the mechanisms of enforcement on this
and how did the President come to this as something
he's hitting right away in the first thirty days.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Yeah, So the President has been very vocal and persistent
about his goal to end the participation of biological men
and women's sports. And I can't even believe I have
to say that out loud, but that's what this country
has come to, and I think it's a big reason
the American people re elected President Trump. So here we
are today. He is going to be signing this EEO
(03:20):
around three o'clock PM Eastern time. There will be tens
of amazing, incredible athletes, female athletes, accomplished individuals, Riley Gaines,
who I know, you guys know very well Stage Steele,
who participated in my briefing today. And the President's executive
order will uphold the promise of Title nine and it
(03:41):
will require the Department of Justice to basically reverse the
policies of the previous administration. What was happening was Biden
administration was essentially subverting Title nind and basically breaking the
law with their illegal rewrite of the law that focus
on gender identity instead of biological sex. And so the
(04:04):
President signed an executive order previously last week that says
that it's the official policy of the United States government
that there are only two sexes, male and female. And so,
you know, he's made it very clear that's the position
now of this government, and he's going to direct the
Department of Justice to ensure that all schools are abiding
(04:27):
by this new law.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You know, Caroline, I think it's so important, it's so
obviously the right thing to do, and it's also remarkable
that they're still opposition to this. So that's so widespread
among Democrats in the media and even Democrats in Congress
that they still seem to cling to this idea that
you know, a man can become a woman and therefore
(04:51):
should compete in women's athletics. It strikes me is insane.
I'm glad today's International Women's Sports Day too, Right, So
there's some symbolism, is yeah, yeah, some symbolism behind this.
So I think Trump is doing at President Trump's doing
absolutely the right thing. Something that I did not know,
which I think is when it comes to the Shenanigans
of the left, Caroline, that is something I rarely say
(05:13):
on this show, but I have to say something I
did not know was the funding that we are discovering.
I know you addressed this just before in the press
conference with regard to Politico, but now Elon Musk of
DOGE has also shared that The New York Times has
gotten tens of millions of dollars paid to it from
federal government agencies. What is going on here?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yes, it's a very good question, and that's exactly why
the president has hired Elon Musk. Not hired because he's
working voluntarily and donating his time to serve at the
request of the president, but as task Elon Musk was
figuring out what is going on with our federal government?
And we are DOGE and the president team are going
(06:01):
line by line throughout these federal agencies and realizing the
federal government has been wasting money. There is so much
fraud and waste and abuse, and we are just getting started.
So subscriptions services and essentially subsidizing these very left wing
media outlets in this country is just one thing on
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the list. I mean, I held up the paper today
of all the crazy things that USAID has been spending
money on millions of dollars towards LGBTQ priorities in foreign countries.
I mean, that's not aligned with the priorities and the
needs of the American people. And that's exactly why Elon
(06:43):
Musk and the President are moving forward with this effort
to ensure that the federal government is running itself like
a company and focusing on money and money out and
what do we actually need to spend money on. And
so it's very exciting to see all of the crazy
things that DOGE is revealing every single day and enlightening
(07:04):
the American people about where their tax dollars are going.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
My understanding is that they're now looking caroline at the
payments made to Medicare, which has always been This is
amazing and kind of jaw dropping when you hear it
a place that there's just been the assumption billions, tens
of billions, perhaps even one hundred billion plus of annual
fraud occurs. Is if the administration's expectation that what we're
(07:31):
seeing in terms of not just kind of bizarre partisan spending,
but fraudulent spending from years past and the federal government
is going to be we're just seeing the tip of
the iceberg. We're going to find a lot more.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Oh most definitely. I mean, look again, they've just scratching
the surface and are already finding million, tens of millions
of dollars in wasteful spending. You know, we also the
President and this team also offered the federal buyout program
to federal workers who are not actually showing up to work.
(08:05):
They have been working from homes. Only six percent of
the federal workforce actually shows up to the White House.
That's unbelievable. Most Americans, who, by the way, fund the
salaries of bureaucrafts and mint City, have to show up
to the office. And I think it's a very simple
common sense expectation to think federal government workers should do
(08:27):
the same. So we offered an eight month buyout, and
more than forty thousand people have taken us up on
the offer to just hang out at home get eight
paid months of leave. And I think we're going to
have We're already seeing tremendous savings from this buyout program
for the American people, and we're going to have a
much more efficient workforce as a result as well.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is there a plan we've seen reporting? We're speaking to
Caroline Levitt, White House Press Secretary, fresh off of just
doing a briefing in the West Wing. She's kind enough
to join us here on Clay and Buck. Is is
there are a plan to further cut the size of
these federal agencies involuntarily? And I asked because, and having
worked at the CIA, Carolina, I remember some of the
(09:10):
rules and regulations around this. There seems to be a
widespread belief that civil servants without you know, criminal malfeasance
cannot be fired. What can you tell us about what
the administration's view of that is and the sense that
they can just sort of wait it out.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Well, that's one of the reasons we have offered this
buyout program, because it is again a voluntary program for
workers who don't want to get on board with this
president's agenda which he was just duly elected to implement.
Who don't want to be productive workers and show up
to the office. Well then they get this offer of
eight months you know pay, and you know, the administration
(09:56):
will continue to look at legal options for you know,
terminating individuals, but for now, you know, they're again being
offered very generous sums to go home if they wish.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Wow, So there is there's possitive the possibility down the
line though of involuntary departures from federal service. So we'll
continue to watch and see how that plays out. How
is the I'm really curious about this. You know, I
knew you're a predecessor. I know you do too from
the Trump administration Kelly MCANENNI and saw what she dealt with.
It feels like the manners from some in the press
(10:29):
corps or maybe uh improving, perhaps they're a little less
hostile than they What would just just bring us into
the feel that you have from doing this now a
couple of weeks in and dealing with the press day
in and day out, because we're in a very different
media environment now than we were even certainly at the
(10:50):
start of the Biden administration.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know, I will say that they are very respectful.
They're almost subdued, I would say, and I'm not sure
if there's there's just so much news happening out of
this White House every day that they don't they can't
keep up.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
They've certainly expressed off the record to me and our
team at the pace of this White House is drastically
different than in the past four years. I mean, doesn't
take a genius to recognize that. Just look at everything
we're doing every day. So me perhaps that's discouraged them
a little bit. They can't help they can't stand all
of the winning that we are doing every day here
(11:27):
at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. But look, I think you know,
we've opened up this this briefing room to new media members.
We have really proven that this president is the most
transparent and accessible president ever and he takes questions from
them almost every day. And it's a stark contrast to
(11:49):
what they experienced in the last four years, where you had,
you know, a spokeswoman who was going out there and
lying to their faces, and you had a president who
hardly spoke to them. So now all of that has
changed very quickly, and I think even if they don't
like Donald Trump, they will admit that he is incredibly transparent,
accessible and honest, and so maybe that's why they're being
(12:11):
definitely more chill. I would say this time around me,
in the first four.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Years, Play and I are both duly impressed but not
surprised by how well you've leapt into this role at
the start of the administration as White House Press Secretary.
So congrats on what you and the administration and President
Trump have accomplished so far. I know this audience is
incredibly supportive and fired up about what is coming and
(12:37):
the full agenda being implemented, and we appreciate you make
the time for us and hope you'll come back soon.
Clay wants you to come back soon so he can
talk to you, so he's bummed, but he'll be back
next time.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Well, thank you guys so much. We love what you're doing,
and hopefully we'll see you soon in the briefing room someday.
You're always welcome.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh, Clay and I already just thinking about when we're
gonna put it on the calendar. We're going to come
and hang out it's going to be fantastic. We'll have
some good news that day. Thank you so much, Caroline.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.
We are joined now by our friend guys stepping straight,
Buck from the podcast Universe of Clay and Buck in
as the spokesperson for the Pentagon. He is our friend
Sean Parnell. Sean, this is pretty bad ass. We appreciate
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you coming on man. Congrats.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Thank you so much both to you, Clay and Buck,
you know, for so much for the opportunity to have
a podcast on your network. And by the way, you know,
we should judge the quality of the relationships that we
have with people in our lives based upon whether or
not they're there for us when times are bad. And
I was going through a real rough time and you
all were there for me from the very beginning, never
(13:51):
wavered once. And you know, it was just an honor
to be to be a small part of what you
all have built. So thank you both, and you're hire
team for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well, we're so proud of you man, honestly, and you
know we were proud of you before as our friend
and as a warrior and a patriot for this country
and to see you get elevated to an Assistant Secretary
of Defense role, and not only that, but also to
be the right hand communications man for Pete Hegseth, Secretary
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of Defense heg Seth, who is a friend of yours,
a friend of ours. I think this is fantastic for
the country. And we also want to take a moment
to just say that we are again so proud of you.
And it's so cool that, you know, we bring in
the best. I mean, I feel like Trump here, Sean.
We you know, we take the best people, we put
them on the podcast. We put the best people on
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the podcast network play in Butt, and we're really really
excited about it. I mean, tell everybody, you know, tell
everybody what your thoughts are right now about how you
can help along with Secretary heg Seth, just reorient the
mission the understanding of what needs to be done. I mean,
what are your plans now since you're going to be
(15:07):
speaking for the most important military force in the history
of the planet.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Well, first of all, let me tell you just a
little quick personal story. You know, after nine to eleven,
I was really angry. I don't come from a long
line of military generals in my family or non commission
officers in my family. The towers went down on nine
to eleven, and I just remember getting I was so
afraid and I was so angry all at the same time,
and I said, you know, I got to do something
(15:32):
about this. And so two days after nine to eleven,
went down to the recruiter, said I wanted to join
the infantry, not just that. Wanted to go to airborne
schools so the Army could teach me how to jump
out of perfectly get airplanes. Wanted to go to ranger
school because it was the best leadership school that the
Army had to offer. And I wanted to be the
best leader that I could for my troops. And then
(15:52):
a few years later I found myself boots on the
ground in Afghanistan in two thousand and six with the
greatest group of men. It was just men in the infantry,
greatest group of men that you could possibly imagine, who taught,
coached and mentored me every step of the way on
what it means to be a servant. Leader of the
Outlaw Platoon was our name. And you know, I always
(16:13):
understood academically that yes, we are an amazing military force,
most the best military fighting force in the face of
the planet, but also a benevolent force as well. It
does an extraordinary amount of good all across the world.
But I didn't really fully grasp it until I was
fighting and bleeding with those men on the battlefield and
learning about the legacies and history of these units. And
(16:34):
so one of the things that I've always regretted is
that I didn't understand going in on the front end
of my service that we are truly standing on the
shoulders of giants from every warrior generation. I mean, we
have what we have here in this country because of them,
men and women who are willing to put on the
uniform and go to dark places and defend our freedom.
(16:58):
And now I have the amazing and awe and enormous
responsibility of going in on the front end recognizing all
of that. So, to directly answer your question, part of
that is to be represent warriors past, but everyone that
wears the uniform today and everyone that will wear the
uniform in the future, they need to know that the
sole purpose and our sole focus, and our sole mission
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at the Pentagon and Department at Defense is going to
be readiness and lethality, and that's what kids that are
wondering whether or not they're going to join the military,
that's what they want. Are they going to get the
best toughest training in the world. Are they going to
be able to prove themselves to both themselves and their
peers that they can handle the best training in the world,
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take it and serve something greater than themselves. And we're
going to deliver on that mission. But I mean, we've
already exceeded recruiting goals in the month of December just
based on President Trump's election. But by the end of
this year, I guarantee you we are not going to
be in the grips of this great recruiting crisis that
we're in right now, because you're going to see a
drastic shift evolving the Force from you know, a focus
(18:01):
on social experimentation and insane stuff like that diversity, equity inclusion,
which is which has been a disaster for a force,
to readiness, a mission focus, and lethality, which is where
it belongs.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Sean Buck and I every day just feel like this
is unbelievable. I know you're a sports guy. It's like Trump.
It's like Trump has twenty home runs in April. I
mean every day. If you're a golfer, it's like, you know,
sometimes you stand in the tea box and you hit
a great tea shot and you get to think, like, hey,
maybe I'm gonna burn you this hole. It doesn't happen to.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Me a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
But when I do golf and I hit a good
t shot, like I feel like every time every day
we wake up, Trump is just striping one right down
the center of the free freeway a fair way, And
I don't remember ever feeling like this before. How excited
are you to be a part of the administration? But
do you feel that same way? Like man like, Unlike
(18:55):
so many politicians, he told us exactly what he was
gonna do and then and this is what it shouldn't
feel crazy, But then he got into office and he
just did it. It's so transactional delivery on a level,
frankly that I don't ever remember a foreign politics. What's
it feel like to be joining up? And do you
feel the same way? Sixteen seventeen days in.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yes, Actually, I turned to my wife, Commander Melanie as
she's known on the podcast, and I said, you know,
President Trump, this guy is the best president, certainly of
my lifetime, bar none. He said exactly what he was
gonna do on the campaign troll, and by the way,
he never once bent to group think on the side
(19:39):
of the Republicans or Democrats or the conventional wisdom of anything. Yea,
even during the darkest, most difficult times, I never saw
that man waiver one single time in what he believed,
whether it was regarding election integrity, his vision on American
foreign policy, his vision on the southern border. From the
moment he came down the esqu it's always been exactly
(20:01):
the same. And despite withering resistance on all sides, Democrat, Republicans,
the media, I've never experienced anything in my life. Having
run for in two election cycles in twenty twenty and
then in twenty twenty two, which, by the way, we're
pretty crazy election cycles, both of those pale in comparison
to what twenty twenty four was like, with two assassination attempts.
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The mugshot that feels like it was ten years ago.
Everyone discounted this guy, Everyone thought it was not possible.
At some point or another, people are like, how is
this guy going to handle this? But none of that,
he defied all of the odds. And now he's in
office and he's accomplished more in eighteen days than Biden
did in four years. And I think the vast majority
(20:44):
of Americans, including Democrats, by the way, which they are
totally weak and leaderless, right now, I think they're finally
seeing holy smokes, we America did not have a president
for four years. We basically had a bunch of twenty
something thirty something staffers behind the curtain, you know, putting
executive orders in front of a president who wasn't there cognitively.
(21:08):
And by the way, the cats out of the bag
with that. Everybody knows it. This is what it's like
to have an American president, you know, overcome all odds
seriously and do the things that he promised on behalf
of the American people. And by the way, I bet
you the Democrats and the media are wishing that he won,
that they didn't stand in the way of him winning
in twenty twenty because this president now.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I tweeted that earlier today, Sean, you know this, everybody listening.
I think he's going to do more in six months
than he would have in four years if he had
been president twenty twints.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's like the Democrats decided that Trump had to have
his Rocky in Siberia training montage for four years under Biden,
and you know he was he was ready for the
big fight when it came up. And we're seeing that
right now. Speaking of Sean Parnell soon to be installed
as the Pentagon spokesman, and so those of you who
have been listening to Sean on the podcast, we're going
(22:02):
to put a little little hold on that while he
goes and serves his country at a senior level at
the Pentagon, and we're very very happy for him, very
proud of him for doing so. John, just give me
a sense most important things that could be fixed with
the military. You know, you got Secretary Hegseet, who we
all have very high opinion of, have known you and
I have known Pete for fifteen years now, are going
(22:22):
on fifteen years, and you're gonna be able to actually
do things right. It's not just going to be the
kind of business as usual approach to what our warfighters need.
What are some of the top of the agenda items.
Now that you're going to a level of the Pentagon
where you know you're going to be responsible for communicating it.
Pete's going to be responsible for fixing it.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you. I think Agenda Item one, you know,
because ultimately I work for Secretary heg Sat, the President
of the United States and the American people is bring
a level of radical transparency to the Department of Defense.
And no, I'm not talking about disclosing classified material and
public seting. No, I don't mean that. But the American
people have lost an enormous amount of faith in our institutions,
(23:04):
especially once venerated institutions like the Department of Defense. Part
of my job is going to be to communicate honestly,
in transparency and transparently with the American people, the American media,
and Congress to earn back that trust. The second part
of it is DEI has got to go. Anyone that
you hear says, oh, diversities are strength, Well, yeah, diversity
(23:24):
is a strength. It's nice having different perspectives around the table.
But what makes the American military the most lethal fighting
force in the face of the planet is at one
point during basic training, we all put aside our differences
and say, you know, there's no hyphenated Americans here. We're
all just Americans fighting behind the same mission. That is
ultimately the differentiating factor on the battlefield that makes us
(23:45):
so lethal. We've got to evolve our army from you know,
insulated brigade combat teams that were largely focused on you know,
asymmetric threat of you know, Islamic Islamic extremism and global terror,
which by the way, still exists. Still have to be
able to combat that, but we've got to evolve our
force to be able to face more conventional threats like
(24:05):
Russia in China. We've got to rapidly adapt to accommodate
for the threat of AI integrated drones things like that.
We got to start shipbuilding in our navy. You know,
there's so many things that have to be done and
have to be done quickly to get our military back
on course to We don't want to fight wars okay
at all. But the best way to not fight wars
(24:28):
is to deter them, right And so Teddy Roosevelt said,
you know, speaks softly and carry a big stick. Under
President Trump and speak loudly and carry a big stick.
Turns out that works pretty good as well. So gon
we're going to deter conflicts and deter global wars keep
America's sons and daughters out of the fight by building
the biggest, strongest military on the face of the planet
(24:48):
to keep the peace.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
John, we are super exciting for you. It's the Super Bowl,
as you well know. I want to get your Super
Bowl pick. But you are a monster Pittsburgh steel The
biggest question for Steeler Nation is what do you do
at quarterback going forward.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I don't know. People think that Justin Fields is gonna
be the guy. Uh. I don't think that's going to
be the case. The Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh Steelers have a real problem.
I think they really have an ownership problem. You know,
I I really believe that. I'm sure Mike Tomlin is
a great guy, but I think the organization just needs overhaul.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
We don't win in the playoffs anymore. That's a real problem.
Just looking at the team as a whole and saying like, well, hey,
we're above average on all of these stats. I'm sorry.
In the city of Pittsburgh, that's not good enough. We're
about winning championships in this city, and so I think
the organization as a whole just needs a complete mind
mindset shift to be a championship caliber team. Again, it's
(25:46):
not just about winning or having winning season, which, by
the way, is the most meaningless stat in the history
of NFL football. Who cares if you had a winning
season if you're not actually winning playoff games and championships. Uh.
But as far as the Super Bowl, I'm sad to say,
as a monster NFL football fan, I'm gonna watch it,
but the Chiefs and the Eagles. I'm from Pennsylvania, but
(26:08):
I will never be one of those political types that
wears half Steelers and half Eagles.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
I know, I load the Eagles. I load the Chiefs.
I don't want to see another second of Travis Kelcey
and Taylor Swift on the screen. I just kind of
load the idea of watching the Super Bowl this year.
My friend, well, buck bold, but do you yeah, it
is very bold.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I do love It does drive me crazy when people
try a lot of politicians try to pretend that they
are sports fans, and then they're like, I love the
Steelers and I love the Eagle. That's impossible. If you're
from Pennsylvania, you like one or the other, and everybody
who's a sports fan is like, yeah, you're full of it.
Now you might root for another team, like sometimes there's
(26:49):
probably some guys that are Cowboy fans, god forbid who
live in Pennsylvania. But at least you can't claim to
root for both of them, like you can't be from Alabama.
Katie Britt, you know, is not going to say she
it's a Obama girl. He's not gonna say, oh, I
also love Auburn. Meanwhile, Tubberville, he's an Auburn guy. He's
not like I love Alabama. People respect if you just
own what you actually believe in all facets, including sports.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It has to be that way. And by the way,
my wife is the same way. She's a huge New
England Patriots fan, actually a real Tom Brady fan, but
also a Baltimore Ravens fan. So let me just tell
you we have real interesting NFL football Sundays in Fort
Parnell when you're cheered for the Ravens and everyone in
my family are big Steelers fans. Sometimes there could be
a little conflict there, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
We By the way, Buck and I are super interested.
I don't Buck may have been I've never been to
the Pentagon before. We're gonna come. Have you ever had
it either? Which is crazy given I worked at the CIA,
but I went to all the other big buildings, never
got inside the Pentagon. I only did the Intel agencies.
We are gonna come visit you when you were up
working at some point in DC. We look forward to it.
(27:55):
And again, congratulations, and we are super proud of you.
And I know the audiences as well.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well. You all are welcome anytime in the Pentagon press
room or if you want to broadcast from the Pentagon,
we will figure out a way to make that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh that would actually be super cool.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
But thank you for the opportunity both of you. Again,
it was just an honor to be a small part
of your network, and thank you for everything that you've
done for me.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, keep killing it, enjoy the super Bowl even if
you don't want to watch. And man, we know you're
going to do a great job. Services in good hands
with you. We look forward to seeing how you're going
to do.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Thanks guys,
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