Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 12 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton show you might be
able to tell from my voice fighting through a cold,
and also had an amazing trip appre shaped Buck holding
down the Fort. Yesterday, I went up to Chicago where
I spoke on gender and voting, and I'm not sure
Buck that I'm going to be invited back, but I

(00:22):
would encourage you guys to go check out the YouTube.
Producer Ali watched it a lot of fireworks. Was not
a Clay Travis or Buck Sexton fond room. Hundreds of
undergrads at the University of Chicago, super smart school, and
I think I made some arguments that many of them

(00:43):
had never heard before. We're going to play you some
of those cuts. I think you guys will enjoy it.
It's also posted up at the Clay and Buck website.
But Buck yesterday, well, first of all, some good news.
Tulsea Gabbard has officially been confirmed. We told you that
that was very likely to happened. It appears that every
single cabinet nominee that Donald Trump put forward that will

(01:08):
have reached a hearing is going to be nominated, which
is actually quite rare when it comes to second terms
and presidential picks all being confirmed. So this speaks to
the mandate that Trump has put in place that all
of the people he wanted to be a part of

(01:29):
his administration are going to be confirmed, including Tulca, Gabbard
and RFK Junior. And let's talk for a minute, Buck
about something that would typically have been a big point
of media discussion, but I think is actually getting overlooked.
You met Tulci for the first time several years ago.
I had Tulsi on my sports talker radio show back

(01:51):
in the day when she was running for the Democrat
presidential nomination. She was fabulous. I think that would have
been in like twenty nineteen or something. Was the first
time I ever interviewed her. But I do think it's
pretty extraordinary and needs to be talked about more. The
extent to which Trump has built an entirely new coalition

(02:13):
of Republican voters. And many of you out there listening
to us right now, all over the country did not
vote Trump in twenty sixteen. Some of you did not
vote Trump in twenty twenty. Some of you did not
vote Trump until twenty twenty four. Trump gained twelve million
voters between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four, and it's

(02:35):
become a much bigger tent as a result. A lot
of you, like Rfk Junior, that's what brought you into Trump,
some of you like Tulca Gabbard. I think this is
an incredible credit to the coalition that Trump is building.
Buck Elon Musk voted for freaking Joe Biden in twenty
twenty hard to believe, right, And so I think this

(02:59):
is a credit to everybody kind of climbing on the
Trump train at a different point in time. But there
now is a diverse coalition of thought embedded in the
Trump cabinet that features a lot of people who would
have been traditional Democrats. Now I was a little bit
ahead of the curve on voting for Trump and switching

(03:23):
from being a Democrat compared to all three of those
people I just mentioned. But I think there are hundreds
of thousands, if you have not a million or more
of you who are listening to us right now, that
may have voted Democrat in the past, that have kind
of followed that same trajectory of these individuals, And I
think it speaks well to a new coalition of common

(03:46):
sense that I think Trump is building that is potentially
far more impactful than a coalition of people who are
focused entirely. For instance, not that there's anything wrong with
it on what the tax rate should be. I want
tax rates to be low, right as low as they
can possibly be. But I think Democrats have sought so

(04:07):
lost connection with basic common sense that they're now arguing
against Elon Musk trying to root out fraud and wasteful
spending inside of our government. And also that they're now
rooting against the elimination of men from women's sports. Those
are two easy examples, but I don't see either as

(04:28):
particularly political, and I don't think we should miss the
major transformational nature of just what Trump is making happen
in the first month of his presidency.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's also just in terms of the raw politics of
this clay a sign that the Democrats have not been
able to do what I think was their plan and
the most obvious move that they could have to counter
the Trump administration early on, which is to create schisms
on the Republican side to get at some of the

(05:01):
you know, the holdouts, some of the squishy GOP to
join with Democrats because of whatever norms, whatever it is
that they're gonna go threats to democracy, lack of the
resume that they want to see for some of these candidates.
That clearly has not been a successful campaign by Democrats.

(05:23):
They were able to mount I think some early attacks
that seemed like they were going to maybe create that situation,
but then it all fell apart, and it's because Trump
really is ahead of the GOP and people want more
of what we are seeing. And I will say anybody
who has been a longtime Republican who was concerned that

(05:46):
we would see a little of the discombobulated Trump energy
that we saw in twenty seventeen in the beginning has
really had to eat a little humble pie here because
this has been a phenomenal for few weeks.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I know it's very early.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I know that there's a lot that the Democrats are
gonna do in the courts and otherwise to slow everything down.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
They're already starting this, but.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Clay, just the the stuff that we are that when
I say we, not just you, me and everyone listening,
this stuff that America is seeing about what Democrats believe
the government should be like and how it should operate.
They're gonna have a tough time with this for a
long time. Some of these people who are going on TV,

(06:30):
who are saying, I mean, I watched that Elon press
conference yesterday, Yeah, Trump, did you see it live?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
And it was it was phenomenal. I did not know this,
and I worked for the federal government, that there is
a mine shaft somewhere with like I thought this was
made up. Buck, I can't believe. I could not believe this.
That Just to be clear, this is real everyone, Okay,
there is a mine, like like an old mine you'd
think of, you know, out west going for gold or something.

(06:57):
There is a mine that is in a mountain. That
is where they store the paper files for federal government retirees.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Here.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
This is cut Clay. We play this. This is cut six.
This is the craziest of all the dough stuff. I
think in some ways this is crazier than transgender puppet
shows in you know, pop or wherever the heck is,
or pick a country that we don't think about a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I think this is even crazier. This is cut six. Play.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
We're told the most number of people that could retire
possibly in a month is ten thousand. We're like, whoa,
why is it?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Why is that?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Because older timement paperwork is manual on paper. It's manually
calculated and written down on a piece of paper. Then
it goes down to mine, like what do you mean
to mine? Like, yeah, there's a limestone mine where we
stole all the retirement paperwork. That look and you look
at picture of the picture of this mine. We'll post
the pictures afterwards. And this is this mine looks like

(07:55):
something out of the fifties because it was started in
nineteen fifty five, so it looks like it's like a
time warp. And then the speed, then the limiting factor
is the speed at which the mind the shaft elevator
can move. Determines how many people can retire from the
federal from the federal government, and the elevator breaks down
and sometimes and then you can't nobody can retire.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Doesn't that sound crazy?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
This is real buck Business Insider, which is a left
wing site. The federal paperwork mine in dogs Crosshairs is
real and bizarre. We're sitting here there's it looks like
you're going to tunnel to the center of the earth
to find you know, we're like the Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I mean sorry, the Harry Potter mine. You know where
they had like the bank, you know if you the
Green Gotts Bank or whatever in order to it doesn't
even sound real, like clay, how is this possible?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
The foot We should put up some photos of the
facility up on clayanbuck dot com just just so people
can see this. These are it's this government facility. Seven
hundred employees working two hundred and thirty feet underground, processing
around ten thousand federal employee retirements a month? Does this
sell like the worst job on the planet?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
By the way, Like I can you imagine like you
take a train or whatever elevator underground like into a
bunker and you have to first of all, what this
tells me? There's several things that tells me. No one
ever gets forced out of the federal government if they
still process retirements on paper, right, like no one ever leaves,

(09:35):
like there's never any massive change. It is the very
essence of a bureaucracy that is awful. Let me tell
you this, Buck. This reminds me when I moved to
the US Virgin Islands, you got a driver's license, and
your driver's license you had to write down your name

(09:55):
and sign it on paper, and if you needed to
get a replacement driver's license. You had to remember what
page you had signed it on, or you just had
to get the book and just go back through to
prove that you had a driver's life. Like like I
remember walking in one day to the DMV and there

(10:16):
was just some poor bastard c sorry, sitting there with
a huge stack of binders just going through trying to
find the page where he had signed to get his
driver's license so that he could get a new driver's license.
In other words, it was not automated in any way.
The fact that we still have an unautomated system to

(10:39):
allow retirement to be they must have your file there, Buck,
from when you were a federal employee, hundreds of.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Feet underground in a mountain. It looks like an old
mining town photo. This is It's Greenhut's bank. And and
you have Elon and Trump and and Doge on the
one side of this issue issue pointing to it being like,
hey guys, maybe we could do better than this, a
little more efficient little And you have Democrats going no,

(11:07):
everything the federal government does is perfect, every dollar spent
is sacred. You can't change anything. And anyone with two
brain cells to rub together sees this and goes, oh,
we've got a big problem here. Yeah, this is you know,
there's what they're doing, but there's also the way that
they are informing, really educating all of us. I'll tell

(11:27):
you I did not know about this thing, and I
worked for the federal government. If someone had told me
that there was a mine shaft where they stuffed all
the paper work for federal retirees two hundred and thirty
feet underground. You have to use a special mining elevator
to get there, I would say, no way, Like I

(11:49):
think the government is crazy, but no.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Way, way it is real. What would be the reason
why this would not all be automated and it wouldn't
be able to have instead of seven hundred people doing this,
you wouldn't be able to say, I don't know seventy
people managing all this because nobody cares how expensive it

(12:12):
is because it's the government. Nobody cares how inefficient it
is because government, and nobody cares to make it any
better because the government.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Has to always stay the same. That's how the Democrats think.
And also buck nobody ever leaves. And I think this
is so important to keep hammering home, which is why
you pointed it out. But if a huge percentage of
our audience right now, I genuinely believe this. If you
were told you could get paid through the end of September,
but you had to find a new job, you would

(12:41):
do that because you would know, Hey, I got six
months to find something new. I'm talented and I'm ambitious.
There's something more I want to do. Most government employees
turn that down because they're wildly overpaid, relatively untalented, not
particularly ambitious, and they don't want to work that hard.

(13:03):
And that's the reality. And I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
If I'm paying for you, I want you to bust
your ass. I don't want a lazy lawyer. I don't
want a lazy accountant. I don't want anyone working frankly
at OutKick, the company that I used to own that
I sold, that doesn't want to bust their ass every day.
I want a culture of competition, and I want a
culture of ambition and hard work. Shouldn't we have that

(13:29):
in our federal government. Since all of these people are
working for us, we hired them, I want them bust
in their ass. I don't think this is partisan. I
want us to get good value for the money. That
we're paying and right now I don't think we are,
and that crazy mind shaft story is kind of indicative
of it. Look, speaking of have you gotten an IRS

(13:51):
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wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis

(15:20):
buck Sexton Show. All right, more breaking news that is
out there again. Tulca Gabbert confirmed. But Trump has just
posted that he and Vladimir Putin have engaged in a
phone call, and I want to read some of this
statement Trump, I just had a leak, lengthy and highly

(15:43):
productive phone call with Putin. We discuss Ukraine D da
da da da, and in particular, he said, first, as
we both agreed we want to stop the millions of
deaths taking place in the war with Russia Ukraine. President
Putin even used my very strong campaign motto of common sense.

(16:06):
We both believe very strongly in it, and we agreed
to work together very closely, including visiting each other's nations.
We have also agreed to have our respective teams start
negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zolensky
of Ukraine to inform him of the conversation, something which

(16:30):
I will be doing right now. I have asked Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, who will be on with us
in about an hour and a half at the top
of the third hour of the program two o'clock Eastern,
just Fyi and other of his people to lead the negotiations,
which I feel strongly will be successful. Millions of people

(16:53):
have died in a war that would not have happened
if I were president, so it must end. No more
lives should be lost. I want to thank President Putin
for his time and effort with respect to the call,
also for the release of Mark Fogel, a wonderful man
I personally greeted last night at the White House. Okay, so, Buck,

(17:14):
Trump has gotten hostages, American hostages released by Russia. Venezuela, Gaza.
A ceasefire right now still stands in Gaza. We'll see
how that goes. And it appears that immediate negotiations to
in the war in Ukraine are now underway. That's all

(17:36):
pretty incredible to pull off in the first month. Remember
Trump said that he would end the war in Ukraine.
I want to get your take on this, Buck. We
have said this for some time, but I imagine it's
still going to be true. Zolensky is going to have
to give up some territory. Russia is going to get
some of those provinces that may have had a strong

(17:59):
historical connection to Russia, and I imagine there will be
some sort of negotiated peace associated with that. And really
this is going to be yet another indictment of Biden
because for years a negotiated settlement could have been on
the table. Instead, lots of people lost their lives. We

(18:22):
gave hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and the
end result was probably something that could have been completely avoided.
And again Trump told us this when we interviewed him
back in what February of twenty two at mar A Lago.
He said Putin never would have invaded if he were president.

(18:42):
I think that's true, and unfortunately this and October seventh
I think are a result of Biden's weaknesses.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It's also I think setting up for the possibility here
of us all being able to see very clearly that
as those who said you're a Russian stooge for the
whatever was the three years of Biden's presidency where Russia

(19:11):
had invaded Ukraine because people who wanted to find a
way to stop a conflict over territory that was going
to claim hundreds of thousands of lives, which is what
The casualties are far far greater than I think most
people recognize, you know, wounded and killed on both sides
in the hundreds of thousands. We don't really you know,

(19:33):
we don't really know who knows if Russia is even
keeping accurate numbers, who knows if Ukraine's keeping accurate numbers.
But we wanted that to stop. And the people who
were flying the Ukraine flags, particularly in like a high
income democrat enclaves around the country, remember when that was
a thing. It's like I double mask and I have

(19:53):
a Ukraine flag. What are they going to say when
the deal that is going to get done here most
likely will look very much like Clay I think the
deal that could have been done three years ago, Yes,
and so, and we're talking about hundreds of thousands of
people who are either dead or got an arm blown off,

(20:14):
or have you know, severe traumatic brain injury or you know.
So so that people could feel tough for supporting Ukraine,
I mean, this is so that they could feel like
they're part of the stopping of fascism. You know, it's
amazing how Democrats, depending on the moment, are peace nicks
who feel like we should just roll over for radical
Islam and let them, you know, do whatever they want

(20:35):
to us, or they're whatever it takes we go to
the you know, the last dollar we have, the last
missile weekend manufacturer, should go to Ukraine for a war
that has achieved what exactly I mean? I understand the
beginning they wanted to stop Russia from rolling over the
whole country. Okay, but once it was clear that this
had settled into a stalemate, which was I think obvious

(20:56):
within certainly the first six months, what was the point?
What's the point all the you know, you notice what
happened to all those Ukraine flags? Why did people stop
putting Ukraine flags in their bios on Twitter and on
Facebook and put a Ukraine flag outside their house in
this country I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
They don't, they don't, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
They don't care about the cause anymore. It was virtue,
I mean, virtue signaling while young men on both I
feel bad for the Russian conscripts they don't want to
be doing. I feel you know, I feel bad. I mean,
this is like a silly, small thing, but I feel
bad for the Russian athletes who were treated like they
were scum at international competitions because they happened to be Russian.

(21:35):
It's not their fault that Putin invaded. The whole thing
was a hysteria.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It was crazy, and a lot of people out there
on the left sold the fiction that Ukraine was somehow
going to win this war. And I give you credit, Buck,
because early on you said Russia has the material, the manpower,
the resources, and the will and they eventually are going
to grind this thing out. And basically what you're getting

(21:59):
now is Ukraine acknowledging that Russia is slowly adding more
and more territory and Ukraine is suing for peace, and Buck,
I actually think that Ukraine is going to be at
a tougher negotiation spot than they would have been if
they had gotten a deal back in twenty twenty one, candidly,

(22:21):
because at that point in time they had kind of
solidified and maybe had Russia on its back foot a
little bit. And instead, look, I think Putin made an
awful choice to invade Ukraine. I think the loss of
man power and life and as you say that, people
who've got severely injured in the process as well. Don't

(22:43):
forget them as well as the people who died. Was
completely unnecessary and unfortunate, but allowing it to occur and
extend for as long as we did was equally indefensible.
And I just want to hear from all those people
out there who told us when Trump said, hey, we'll
get the situation resolved in Gaza, and we'll get the

(23:05):
situation resolved in Europe, and said we'll get it done fast,
where are they were four weeks in and within the
next month we may have a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.
They all told us this was impossible. Yet here we are.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Why is it that Donald Trump comes into office and
within weeks Mark Fogel is returned home. Mark Fogel is
now back with his family. You know, the guy he made.
He made a mistake. He had a medical marijuana, you know,
and he traveled to Russia. And the Russians love to

(23:45):
come down very hard on Americans that they can and
use them as as bargaining chips. Biden was very quick
to get Britney Griner out of the Russian prison. As
we know that Mark Fogel was left to uh To
to rot in that prison and Trump got him. Trump
got him out, And you know, it's pretty powerful, clay
when you hear the story of Mark Fogel's mother. You

(24:07):
know about this, right before the assassination attempt on Donald
Trump in Pennsylvania, Mark Fogel's mother said, yeah, Fogels was
in a Russian prison for three and a half years. Everybody, Yeah,
you really don't want to be in a Russian Federation
prison for three and a half years, Okay, rough, I
think Britney Grinder was in for a matter of months.
I don't even think it got to a year. And

(24:28):
so Fogel his mom went up to Trump and said,
if you win a you're gonna get my son home.
And Trump said yes, and now her son is home.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And that was right before.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Of course, they shot Trump in the year.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Tried to kill him.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
But the Democrats, I think part of their panic is
that not only were they unable to stop Trump with
all their false narratives, the truth of the promise of
Trump and trump Ism is becoming so apparent for everybody
that the propaganda just doesn't work. I mean, you know
that the things that they're doing and the steps that
they're taking, they can cry about this on CNN all night.

(25:06):
Normal people see this and go, you want them to
pay terrorists from the treasury like you want them to
the Treasury Department to pay contractors for a six month
contract for twenty years?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
What is that here? By the way, cut twenty three,
as we get ready to go to break is what
you were just talking about, Mark Fogel, I believe the
Trump talking about his mother and the promise, cut twenty three.
Thank you all.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
And I love our country and I'm so happy to
be back here. And I wish I could articulate it
and better.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
You've done beautifully. And he's got a great mother.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
And when I saw the mother at a rally, she said,
do you if you win when you get my son out?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
And I promise. She's ninety five years old, and I said,
we'll get him out. And we got them out pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Only exact words.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
She's mad, quite an impression. We just wanted to get
him back home.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I had to get a back home because I would
have had big trouble with his mother.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Can you imagine, buck? Just as we sit here. I mean,
I'm a dad and I know a lot of you
out there. Mom's grandma's Grandpa's Imagine being ninety five years
old and being afraid that you would die with your
son in a Russian prison, never knowing if he would
ever come home again. And you vote for Trump and
you go out and within a month of getting into office,

(26:34):
he brings your boy home. I just I mean, that
makes me kind of feel a little bit emotional to
think about her at ninety five. Can you imagine getting
that phone call? You know, I can only imagine how
awful it is to have something like that happen, no
matter how old you are as a parent, But to
think like I'm going to potentially die and never know

(26:54):
whether my son comes back. You know what I also
loved about that, It's an amazing story. I love it.
The minute he stepped off that plane. You know what
he did, kiss the ground, Yeah, kissed the ground when
he got back to America.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know what is one thing that we're seeing across
the board with Trump's ascension that yes, it was true
the first time around, but it is just so magnified
because of the comeback that he's had and the narrative
and the promises made, promises kept. Patriotism is cool again. Yeah,

(27:27):
this is a big shift for this country from under
a Democrat administration that achieves power by frightening people and
driving this country down. Putting this country down payt Trump
has made and the people around him and his team
and his voters have made patriotism cool again, and it's powerful.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I've argued this, and I know you know it because
you traveled all over the world with the CIA. Every American,
if you had to live a year in the average
way that the rest of the world lives, you would
kiss the ground when you came back to America. Most
Americans are so spoiled they have no idea what daily
life is like in Africa or Asia, or large portions

(28:11):
of the Middle East. We have no idea how good
we have it. And the younger you are, the more
clueless you are. And I do agree that when I
see somebody who's rescued like this and they kissed the
ground when they come back into the country, I think
almost every American would do this if they spent a
year living in Africa, the Middle East, Asia, as an

(28:33):
average person in those continents, in those parts of the world.
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Being on campus fun because it reminds me how moldible
so many of those young minds are. And maybe you
didn't have the luxury of going away to college. Maybe

(28:54):
you went to college, but let's just say you weren't
that focused on the academic side of life. And now
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the pressure of grades, you're not worried about showing up
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Speaker 2 (30:05):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined by our buddy,
all seven feet of him, Jesse Kelly, who is the
author of The Anti Communist Manifesto, which is out in
paperback this week. I've got my copy here on the shelf.
I've got a hard hardcover because you know, I'm gonna
keep it for a long time. Jesse, congrats on all
the success of the book. How are the communists feeling

(30:28):
these days? It must be a rough, a rough few
weeks for them.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah, what we're seeing is an attack on the foundation
that they've built. That's that's the only reason Democrats have
been able to achieve so much power in this country
is they've figured out a way to have the taxpayer
fund all their activism. And we're finding all this out now.
But that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Communism is not popular now. It never was popular. It
wasn't popular in the Soviet Union. It's it's it will
never be popular. It's a demonic religion of force that
makes people do things they don't want to do, so
you have to fight other ways. If you're a dirty commie,
you lie, you lie, and you find ways to force
and worm your way into things. So you take over
the federal government and have all of us go to
work every day to fund tranny surgeries in Guatemala.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm just immediately picturing who's given tranny surgeries in Guatemala
and thinking that that does not sound like a n if.
I want to go under it anytime soon, Jesse, I
want to go to the serious discussion here. How did
the flu impact your hairline? You know, Clay?

Speaker 6 (31:37):
That was hurtful. What you just said was hurtful there,
Because I'll be honest with you, I had a lot
of time as I was laying in bed fighting through
near death, which of course I did. Most mortal men
would not have made it, but I did make it.
I came out the other side bigger, stronger, faster. But
I did have some time to think about my hair
and I had a moment in my one hundred and

(31:58):
four fever delirium where actually considered, because everyone like you, Clay,
is mean to me about it, I had a moment
where I considered do you go you know, like the
rogain or something, or do you do you take one
of the supplements? You know, my wife's always talking about,
well you could take this or take that. And I
woke up more defiant than I've ever been. I actually

(32:18):
feel like this is exactly how God wants me. Clay,
I'm sorry you can't accept me for who.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I am now it is true. It is true God
wants me this way. You can't accept me for who
I am is Actually I appreciate you coming out of
the closet like this because you've actually made the exact
same argument that trans people make when they need surgery.
You know, make sure this was just a going full trans.

Speaker 6 (32:46):
By the way, speaking of all the trans stuff, since
this just came up, was it the dumbest setting the
centering side, all the weird stuff and all the horrible
stuff with kids and women's sports and crap like that?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Was it the.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Dumbest political move in the history of a American politics
for Democrats to embrace such a thing.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Again, I can't believe it.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
For Reside, Yeah, I know, you want to talk about
the most narrow approval in the world. If you're a politician.
You're supposed to try to find the big things most
people agree with you on, and run on those things
you found, like the point zero five percent of the
population that decided you were going to be their champion,
and then told American parents that their daughters should have

(33:28):
to go play rugby against these freaks. And Democrats are
looking around right now stunned. How did we lose so
much power? Gee?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I don't know you know, Jesse. We're speaking of Jesse
Kelly Anti Communist Manifesto. His book comes out in paperback
this week. Make sure you get yourself a copy of it.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Jesse.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
The Pentagon might be getting a visit from Doge real soon.
Pete Heseth, our friend and the Secretary of Defense, has
said he welcomes this. He is going to give them
everything that they need and is looking forward to finding
what's when they kick over that rock. In terms of
the spending, what do you expect you're a former marine,

(34:05):
what do you think they're gonna find?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Buck?

Speaker 6 (34:08):
I will tell you this. I'm not trying to be melodramatic.
I actually had a thought this morning that we all
need to keep elon musk. Pete hag Seth, the Trump administration,
Trump himself. Of course, we all need to keep them
in our prayers because the truth is, we have a
really scary combination right now of some very very powerful
people who happen to be very very evil.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
People are very very.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Afraid right now of what has taking place inside the
Trump administration because they're, like I said, those people, powerful
evil people are frightened as all the stones get unturned.
And I tried to tell people, you brought up the Pentagon.
I'm telling people us eight is just a tip. It's
this is just a tip the Pentagon. What they're going
to find in there. You look, fuck you know your CIA.

(34:52):
You know the things they're going to find, the waste,
the fraud, the abuse, the flat out and naked corruption.
It's going to stay or people, because what we've had
is this unaccountable system for years and years and years
in this country where that trillions of taxpayer money gets
thrown into that Pentagon black hole. And of course anytime

(35:13):
anyone's ever tried to look into it, you know, they
fail every audit. Anytime anyone looks into it, they cover
themselves in the red, white and blue and try to
acute you hate the military, and these ridiculous claims, but
those are claims that get politicians to back off. And
so now that we have people who are really going
to look into it, just gird your loins, everybody, because
it's going to be hard to see. Like this USAID

(35:33):
stuff that we're finding out, the trainee surgeries and Guatemala
stuff like that's hard to see that that's easy.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is the warm up.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
Compared to what we're going to find in the Pentagon,
It'll be ugly.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Brother Jesse, I think you hit on something that's important
that we've hammered here to a large extent. Leave aside politics.
I mean, Tulca Gabbard and RFK Junior are about to get,
you know, confirmed they were Democrats told six minutes ago.
We know that there are a lot lot of people,
frankly out there who have ended up voting for Trump,

(36:02):
and I think to a large extent, it's because Democrats
have embraced ideas that are just thoroughly nonsensical. You mentioned
men being able to win women's championships. How about lining
up against the idea of having the most successful business
person in any of our lives examine the federal books

(36:24):
to try to save all taxpayers money some of the
things that they are lining up in favor of and opposing.
I just, I mean, regardless of whether you're a political
person or not. Eliminating fraud and wasteful government spending is
what like a ninety five percent agreement issue. Men in
women's sports, not being able to win women's championships is

(36:46):
like a ninety ten issue for anybody who covers sports
or cares about sports. It's not just that Trump is
doing rational, common sense things. It's that it feels like
the Democrat Party is just running right off the edge
of a cliff and destroying themselves on the rocks below.
It's utterly nonsensical.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
It is Clay, And I was thinking about this, and
I so I have this theory, and you too can
shoot it down, of course, I know you will if
you feel like it. But I have a theory that
Joe Biden is largely responsible for a lot of what
we're seeing now.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
And this is what I mean.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
I'm talking about his weakness, you know, his whatever he had,
I don't know, the dementia, senile, whatever it was. When
you get elected president like Barack Obama, I consider to
be the worst, most evil Solace president this country's ever had.
But even he, when he got elected president, understood that
as president, in his own self interest, in his own
self interest, he had to keep the most bonkers part

(37:42):
of the Democrat coalition at bay. Like Barack Obama still
called the deporter in chief to this day. Even Barack Obama,
who hates America, didn't want to bring in twenty million
illegals to rape and murder a bunch of American women
because in his own self interest, he knew that that's
bad for me. So when when the braying lunatics in
the Democrat Party we're telling him stop deporting people as

(38:02):
the commander in chief, as the president, he had to
be the dad and say, okay, pipe down, kids, no
we're deporting people. Don't be nuts, come out. Joe Biden
lacked that strength. We all see the cadaver in chief
that he was for four years. So for four years
Joe Biden sat there with drool running down his chin,
and so the government was run by the filthy communist
America haters around him with no breaks. What we saw

(38:24):
during Joe Biden's presidency was a Democrat presidency with no
breaks on it anymore. The president's supposed to be the dad,
supposed to be the breaks, and they simply handed the
party over to the nutballs, and now they run it all.
We're watching the results of Joe Biden not be able
to mend or tend the fence and keep the herd
in check for four years, a Democrat party running wild. Now,

(38:46):
Jasmine Crockett's the voice of it. I can't get enough Jesse.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, for twenty some odd years now, which coincides
with yours and my adult lives, Clay's got a few
decades on us.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
But for twenty.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
People years or so, uh, you know, we've been we've
been looking at a Democrat party that has either had
you know, somebody in office as president or a handful
of people that we knew were next in line for
that that Democrat uh you know, the Democrat nomination. And
we're the leaders of the Democrat Party. It's been Clinton, Obama,

(39:21):
you know, Biden, believe it or not, or the people
around him. Right, we've all known this right now, I mean,
Clay just read off who the top Democrat picks are.
I understand, like, how could you be thinking about an election?
But it's more about who the Democrat center you know
who the sort of main figurehead will be now and
going forward in the Trump administration.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Who is it?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I mean, it can't be Chuck Schumer kind of just
waving his bony fist around and shouting on stage, or like,
who is it?

Speaker 6 (39:49):
I think it's gotta be and I know you're gonna
scream at me. I think it has to be Gretchen Whitmer,
and frankly, I think it's their only option. If Josh
Shapiro weren't Jewish, I would say it would be obviously
Josh Shapiro, but the Democrats went full jew hate too.
They've just they couldn't hold back the Hamas lovers in
their party either. So, gret you have to win Michigan, Pennsylvania,

(40:10):
in Wisconsin and they have completely sideloed themselves into being
this coastal elite party where they only speak to the
insane LGBTQ mob on Berkeley's campus and they don't ever
speak to just normal Americans. In Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.
You have to have those states to win the presidency.
Now that Florida's blood red courtesy of Rondo Santus, so

(40:32):
you have to have those states well, Josh Shapiro would
be the no brainer, A relatively popular governor in Pennsylvania.
He should have been the VP choice of Dome. But
of course he's Jewish, and the Democrat base went full
ape against Jews, and I'll kill all the Jews and
all that crazy crap they're shouting. So I think it's
Gretchen Whitmer or bust. I think Gavin Newsom has a

(40:53):
real problem on his hands with this wildfire stuff, all
kinds of bad optics out there. If there's someone else,
I'm all ears. I don't know who. I don't know
who else it could be, but Gretchen Whitmer.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
So I don't disagree. I mean, I said, if they
had been super rational, they would have gone with a
Whitmer Shapiro ticket and just gone all in on we
have to win the Midwest, and maybe that would have
got him dragged over the finish line. But here's my
take on this, Jesse. I think you're seeing I'm sure
you've paid a little bit of attention to it. Steven A. Smith,
the ESPN commentator, is saying now he might run for president.

(41:26):
I think Trump is going to unleash a ton of
wealthy dudes, maybe some women as well, who just look
at this roster of incompetent politicians and try to throw
their hat in the ring too. And so it wouldn't
shock me if we got a total outsider Democrat nominee,

(41:48):
somebody who's not holding office right now, crazy town or
you think that's also possible.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
No, honestly, if Clay, I think that's probably brilliant. I
think that's probably the way they have to go. But
at the same time, that guy, let's call it, let's
just pick a name, the Rock always pretends he's going
to He's never going to, he's too rich, but let's
just call it the Rock. Let's say you're right, the
Rock beside, I'm just gonna run his Democrat nominee. Yeah,
everyone's excited about that as a Democrat for about five minutes,
and then still he walks in and has to face

(42:18):
the exact same problem. Joe Biden faced the exact same
problem Kamala here faced. What do you do with the
deranged lunatics who've taken over your party because you have
to be strong enough and popular enough to tell them
sit down, shut up. Okay, no, we're not doing the
training stuff. Anymore. That's gonna stop. No, please, no more humas, No, no,
that's gotta stop. We're gonna be you know, common sense,

(42:40):
apew to the working man, because that's the only way
to hold together a Democrat coalition that can win the presidency.
That's what Clinton did, That's that's what Barack Obama did.
To be Frank, you have to be able to hold
together a broader coalition than they have, even a rich celebrity.
How does he hold that coalition together? I don't know.
Maybe he can, I don't know. But that's they've got
at in the climb. They'll come back one day. These

(43:01):
pendulums swing back and forth, as you two both know.
But I really have a hard time seeing how they
do it in two years, four years. I don't know
how they do it.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Jesse, Why do the folks listening need a copy paperback
copy of the Communist Manifesto.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
The Anti Communist Manifesto? Buck, Actually you should buy both
of them so you can so.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You can learn your enemy.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
The Anti Communist Manifesto is easy to read because I'm
a moron and I wrote the book, so everybody, even kids,
can read it. It's funny and it actually tells you
what to do like there are action items in the book.
It's not just the normal book of Oh, here's all
our problems were totally screwed. There are things that everybody,
every single person listening right now, can do. It's available
at Jesse kellybook dot com. I came up with that

(43:46):
website myself.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Well done, creative anti communist manifest to everybody. Jesse Kelly
will talk to you soon. Thanks for being here, buddy.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
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Speaker 1 (45:21):
Lots of news has been breaking, as it will be
happening a lot, and we appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. Tulca Gabbard confirmed, RFK Junior on track
to be confirmed. Trump has talked with both Putin and
Vladimir Zolensky and it appears that we are moving towards
a potential ceasefire we were scheduled right now to be

(45:45):
joined by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. He has now
gotten drawn into, as you might well imagine, a lot
of the details involved in trying to settle the ceasefire.
He now can't come on live. He says he's going
to be on tomorrow with us, So he wanted to
let you know he was looking forward to talking to

(46:06):
all of you. Obviously, you've had him on a lot
over the years, have not had him on since he
became Secretary of State. But at the last minute he
got called into a meeting, as you might well imagine,
is going on right now surrounding the Russia Ukraine related details.
So he tells us that he is going to join

(46:27):
us tomorrow at this point in time. And by the way,
this is going to happen a lot. We had Caroline
Levitt scheduled I think last week, and then oh, by
the way, there's lots of crazy news that drops and
we're going to have to reschedule. I think you guys
are all going to understand that we're going to have
the president on soon again, and he's probably going to

(46:50):
be on with us as scheduled, but he also might
have something that comes up. This is the difference between
being in power, buck and being out of Powertration is
moving fast and a lot of things are taking place
on a day to day basis. So we're gonna have
the individual's schedule to talk with us, but you may
suddenly get a change of plans on the fly. This

(47:13):
show is important.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
We've got millions of listeners, and there's a lot of
respect from the policy community for speaking to all of you.
But if the Secretary of State has got to get
into imminent negotiations to try to end a war that's
been a total carnage scene in Eastern Europe, we get it,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
We're gonna have him when we can have him. It's okay.
He's got big things to tackle, no doubt. So he
is scheduled. We'll see if we can get it done
tomorrow at this exact same time. To come on and
talk with us about the latest. Now, in real time,
Caroline Levitt has been interacting in the White House with
her press briefing. We've got a couple of a couple

(47:54):
of takes just to update you on exactly what she
is saying. This is talking about Doge and transparency Cut
twenty eight.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
I think it's a real fallacy that there's this alleged
lack of transparency when it comes to DOGE. President Trump
and Elon Musk have been incredibly transparent on what DOGE
is doing. There is an x account with the DOGE handle.
They are tweeting out what they are doing on a
daily basis.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
They have a website.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
Where they are posting the receipts of the contracts that
they are reviewing and the payments that they have stopped
from going out the door. The secretaries of our departments
have stopped from going out the door. And I would
also say that before it was Elon Musk making our
government efficient and accountable, it was some unnamed bureaucrat that
none of you knew.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
He's also now one of the most highly scrutinized men
in the world alongside President Trump because of what he's
doing and the axis that he is allowing. So there's
great transparency.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay, My question for you, Buck would be this, and
we're going to play another cut or two from the
press conference. Other than believing that the government needs to
be better and more efficiently run. What does Elon Musk
gain from all of this? I mean, I think that's
a question worth asking. And when you're already the richest

(49:11):
man in the world, I don't know that I buy
the argument. Oh Elon Musk is in on this for himself.
It seems to me like he just wants America to
be as efficiently run as possible because he thinks a
strong America makes it more likely. I'm telling you what
I think his motivations are for Mars to become a

(49:34):
multi planet, to a satellite outpost of the United States
and of the world and protect us from the whole
civilization being wiped out. I mean, this is just a
question from you. Are you concerned because the new line
of attack is, oh, Elon Musk has so much power,
there's conflicts, He's in it for himself. They're not being transparent. Frankly,

(49:57):
I'm astounded that Elon mu would want to take this on.
And I actually think it's evidence of Musk's over arching
ambition for humanity more so than it is some personal
like how much more money can he need when you're
already the richest man in the world.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
This is why the complaints that some in the Democrat
media and Democrat politicians are leveling like he is he
has access to your personal information. Where can I place
bets that Elon Musk isn't going to steal someone's social
so he can set up like a credit card in
their name. I mean, what are they even talking about?

(50:36):
The government already has this information you're so worried about
you think some bureaucrat is going to treat it as
sacro sank. First of all, we know that they leaked
Donald Trump's tax returns, but that's totally so.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
And that's but after buck, I think this is important.
After spending years telling you that what was in his
tax returns would make him unelectable page New York Times,
nobody cares. It's not that extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
But a bureaucrat did leave total and I think actually
ended up going to getting a prison sentence for it.
So the notion that Elon Musk is in any way
a risk to your privacy or identity in that it's
just crazy. I mean, this is government data that the
government already has it. He has no interest. I mean
think about this, you know, and think about Google and Facebook,

(51:21):
these companies that have so much of your personal information
that they're not really actually fascinated with you as an individual,
And Elon Musk is not fascinated with any individual. He's
trying to stop what should be a universally lauded, a
universally praised effort of stopping payment from going to people.

(51:46):
I mean, he explained this Yesterdy in the Oval Office.
There are payments from the Treasury going to people who
are on a do not pay list. Now that do
not pay list exists so that that won't happen, but
the money's still going to them. Does anyone want to
argue that that money should still go to them? It
seems like the for the Democrats, the answer is yes.

(52:06):
And instead of the embarrassment that people who favor the
system so much should have over what the system is doing,
they double and triple down with this nonsense and act
like the way the system operates is perfect. Anybody who
has any problem with what's going on has bad intentions.

(52:27):
I just think this Elon factor in Trump's administration is
like a dream come true for anybody who is limited government,
believes in accountability, you know, wants to see the spending
get under control. This is what we need We need
some form of shock therapy. We need somebody who makes
rockets and then catches them as they land.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
We don't need.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
A bureaucrat who spent twenty years looking at the Ledger
because they've led us to where we are right now.
I just want to reiterate, because nobody else saying it.
Elon voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty. The media
now wants to convince you that Elon Musk is some
sort of far right wing ideologue. He only voted for

(53:14):
Trump for the first time in twenty twenty four. This
idea that Elon has been some dark and sinister right.
He didn't endorse Trump buck until right after the assassination
attempt in July. He wasn't even a Trump guy until
July of twenty twenty four. He has supported Trump now

(53:35):
publicly for seven months of his entire life. I do
think this is worth like kind of reiterating. If anything,
what this speaks to is Trump's willingness to bring in
people that he thinks have supreme talent to try to
make America great again.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I actually think this is Trump's superpower, is that he's
willing to bring in Evon Musk and give him the
keys to make a difference because he sees his talents,
even though Elon in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty actually
voted against Trump.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Look, Tim Cook is a Democrat, right, CEO of Apple.
I think it's well known he's a Democrat. And if
you had had a Demo, if you had had a
Democrat administration come in and say we're going to have
Tim Cook look at like the security of government devices
and encryption for important government systems, I would say, oh,

(54:33):
that makes sense. I mean he's somebody who understands and
has high level access to the highest level access to
those kinds of systems and is doing it incredibly successfully
on a global scale for a trillion dollar company. That's Elon.
It's just it's a Republican and not a Democrat in office, right.
I mean this is if you were to switch Elon
out with a handful of people who, quite honestly I

(54:55):
don't think are as impressive or skilled as Elon is,
but they're in that same category, I'd say, Wow, Democrats
are actually doing something that makes sense here.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
This is what we need.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
We need somebody with true domain expertise, isn't it fascinating.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
Clay, You got these.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
People that are all, oh, but why why are we
putting forward Cash for I mean, Cash was like a
federal prosecutor for many, many years, and he's done all
kinds of things that prepare him for the FBI. But
they question the qualifications of some of Trump's nominees for
cabinet positions, I think unfairly, but they do. And then
you bring in somebody to do doge, who is arguably

(55:31):
the most qualified person on the planet, the most impressive
and qualified person on the planet, and you know what
they're doing. They're arguing over process issues and they're just
whining about it. They're complaining because they can't make an argument.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I'll even take it a step further, like he wouldn't
have done it because he was the worst president in
our lives. But if Joe Biden had brought in Elon
Musk and said, hey, federal spending got out of control
during COVID, I think we've wasted a lot of money.
The most brilliant minds in American capitalism to be looking
at how we spend money and making sure that we're

(56:06):
not wasting taxpayer funds. I would have said, yeah, that
makes sense, right, I mean, Biden made awful decisions across
the board. But my point on that is Elon voted
for Biden. In theory, Joe Biden could have had a
good relationship with Elon Musk and used his talents to
try to make the American government better than it otherwise

(56:27):
would have been. To me, Tulsea Gabbert getting confirmed Rfk
Junior about to get confirmed Elon Musk. This is evidence
of a remade Republican Party and a profoundly new big
tent that is focused on common sense, logical results. And
I think that's why Trump's approval ratings buck are the

(56:49):
highest level of his political career. I mean, you look,
Mark Fogel, is there anybody opposed to getting Americans who
are charged abundantly more so than they otherwise would be
by foreign countries back? Trump got what six people back
from Venezuela, just announced the new American hostage from Belarus
is being returned. Mark Foegel kissing the ground when he

(57:11):
got back. Most of what Trump is doing, I would argue,
is just hyper rational, logical, not even particularly partisan, smart
decisions that the president should be making.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
It's fiscal sanity and rule of law. It's let's look
at what we're spending money on. Are we spending money
on smart things? And should people that commit crimes who
are not even supposed to be in this country still
be in the country even though we all agree it
is absolutely illegal for them to be in the country.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
They're in violation of law. These are very straightforward things,
you know.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
This is not like hyper partisan, hyper ideological stuff, although
it is the Democrats because they're insane. That's the problem
with being totally nuts. When you're totally nuts, you can't
see things straight. So you know, they should probably get
it together. Clay just saying, after more than a year
of war and terror in Israel, there's still a great
demand for basic humanitarian aid. Just yesterday, the Israeli Health

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Ministry put out a report identifying three million Israelis who
have experienced anxiety, depression and symptoms of PTSD since the
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critically needed aid to communities in the North and South
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