Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 26 2025

F-you money. Rep. Byron Donalds on running for governor. Tom Homan, Border Czar. Green card or gold card?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show wins, wins, wins.
We just keep stacking wins. As I am speaking with you,
and as Bucket speaking with you, Elon Musk and Donald
Trump are having a joint news conference in the White House.
We have been rolling on that. We will have several

(00:23):
different clips of newsworthy commentary from that media availability. We've
got a loaded show for you. Let me give you
a little bit of a roadmap of where we are
headed during the course of the program. Next hour, Byron
Donald's will join US Congressman from the Naples area of Florida.
He announced last night on our friend Sean Hannity's show

(00:45):
that he is going to be running for governor of Florida.
Donald Trump has endorsed him. He will be speaking with
all of you at the top of the next hour,
and I will rest assured, in addition to talking about
him being potentially the next governor of Florida, hold him
accountable for the Florida State seminole collapse in football last season,

(01:07):
because Buck, you'll remember one of the last times Congress
mc donald's was on the program, he just wanted to
debate me about whether Florida State should have been in
the college football playoff, and then since that debate, basically
Florida State's wheels have come off, and so we'll have
some fun with that as well. Then a guy who
is doing an incredible job. He's been on with us before,

(01:29):
but he has not been on with us since he
became borderz are Tom Homan is going to be on
with us next hour as well. So that is where
we are sitting on the guest front. But I wanted
to start buck with the newest angle of attack on Trump,
which I think is going to be one of the
least effective attacks on Trump ever. It is Trump is

(01:51):
a dictator and he is trying to control the media
too much around him. Now, I have some stat for
you that were shared this morning on Fox News because
I think it basically ends this argument to a large
extent when you look at the number of questions this

(02:14):
is prior to today, when Trump has been up there
answering questions like crazy. In his first month in office.
This is January twentieth to February nineteenth, Donald Trump Buck,
according to Fox News, took one thousand and nine questions
from the media. One thousand and nine Joe Biden in

(02:37):
the same timeframe. His first month in office took one
hundred and forty one questions from the media and buck
Those numbers declined precipitously for Biden as he stayed in
office longer. You can criticize Trump for a lot. Not
being willing to talk to the media and tell you

(02:59):
exactly what he thinks is maybe the lowest level of
criticism for Trump. But this is the latest desperation because
the White House is remaking the credentialing process in real
time for who is allowed to be at many different events.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I love watching the White House Correspondence Association get publicly dismembered.
I drink their tears. I joyride in the wreckage of
their souls. I can't get enough of this. And let
me tell you. Why have you ever been to a
White House Correspondence Association dinner?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Clay? I went once, never been invited. I don't think
I'm cool enough to even get invited. I would. I'm
not going to pretend that I'm cool enough to say no,
I have legitimately never been invited to the White House
Correspondence dinner.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm going to tell you something, Clay. The White House
Correspondence Association dinner is worse than being forced to watch
the new Beverly Hills cop movie on netflit No.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
It is means it would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It is absolutely brutal because you have all of these
incredibly self important people. We're the ones holding up democracy,
We're the ones speaking truth to power, all lies, by
the way, which everyone knows now more than ever. But
the whole thing was a preposterous joke and I absolutely

(04:20):
loathed it. There were some fun other like after parties,
I'm not gonna lie about that, but the actual event
itself was just one giant self congratulation for what's effectively
a lib journo cartel. Why should this continue? Why should
some establishment media outlet, or rather media collective that's really

(04:44):
what it is, a bunch of commies.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Why should they get.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
To determine who gets access to the West Wing? Why
shouldn't the administration determine who gets access? And what you've
noticed is that the expectation is Republican presidents have to
have enemy regime media meeting democrat aligned media, full act
access all the time. And that's just the way it is.
But you know, if a Barack Obama wants to wants
to just trash Fox News and say that it's an

(05:07):
enemy of democracy and block them from interviews and everything else.
Finally we've woken up. I will tell you it took
our side. Look, it took Donald Trump coming along and
metaphorically punching the other side in the face over and
over again for us to see, hey, we don't have
to put up with this anymore. And it's such a
breath of fresh air.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
My only complaint would be I still think that we
give too much to the legacy media when it comes
to the debates, and we did even in this last cycle.
But it was one debate with Trump, and you know,
he did great, and obviously we saw what the result was.
So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get too aggravated
over that. But the point is this shift that Caroline

(05:49):
Levitt as the White House Press Secretary and obviously on
behalf of Trump. This shift that's happening right now is
long overdue. And also from Jeff Bezos saying, you know, Clay,
on the one hand, I like that Bezos is just
talking about the Washington Post having to be be pro

(06:09):
capitalism and pro individual liberty as a mission statement.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Did he not know what he was buying? He's so rich.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I know that sounds crazy, but he's so rich that
he may have just written the check for The Washington
Post based on its reputation without actually knowing what the
heck did he He bought a communist rag of lunatics.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
All right, I'm gonna try to defend Bezos on this,
just like you're defending Beverly Hills. I am gonna defend
Bezos here. I'm gonna attempt to. I think that how
old is Jeff Bezos? Fifty two or fifty three? Something
like that, I mean before or after the stack, if
you know how well, yeah he is. Now you know

(06:54):
he's gonna I was texting with some friends and they
were saying that Bezos has gone full Latimer in the Program.
For those of you out there who remember the great
college football movie The Program, one of the guys just
gets loaded up on steroids, is a great player, but
can't pass a drug test at all, and just starts
behaving like crazy, beating up people left and right. Bezos

(07:17):
is the Latimer of media. Right now, he has suddenly
gotten loaded up on testosterone. He's moved to Buckstown. In Miami.
There's hot chicks walking around to everywhere. Miami is the
best looking city in America. I'm so insane. Number One,
it's insane.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
If you're just a normal person walking around here, you
feel like you're in the worst shape of any human
being on the planet.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I don't the percentage of women that just wear span
Dex every day in Miami is It's off the charts,
Like I would walk to Bucks Bucks Studio, including the
moms that have like four kids and strollers. That's what
I'm saying. Even the moms are just walking around in spandex.
Nobody's got any clothes on. Everybody's incredibly good looking. Bezos

(07:59):
moved to Miami. He got a hot girlfriend. He gets
loaded up suddenly on testosterone. He now can bingch press
more than two hundred and twenty five pounds, which buck
If I had to tell you one thing that you
could point to to guess how someone would vote for
men who can bench press two hundred and twenty five pounds.

(08:20):
How many of them do you think vote Democrat? Tend
to if I ten to one, Republican to Democrat ten
to one, or you know, they just don't care about
about doing anything political, but I agree if they actually vote,
it's got to be ten to one Republican to Democrat
if you're a man and you can binge press two
hundred and twenty five pounds. So I think what happened,
Buck is Bezos read the Washington Post historically. And I've

(08:44):
talked about this on the program because I went to
college in DC. The Washington Post was left of center,
there was no doubt. But Republicans in the nineties and
the early two thousands respected the Washington Post. Well, they canrry.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
They just just just to point out they carried crowd Haammer,
you know his column, George, and they didn't carry it
with disdain. I mean, he was one of their featured columnists.
And Charles was a great columnist. I grew up reading Crowdhammer,
among many other columnists, also George will who unfortunately he
could probably use some of the Bezos treatment these days.
But put that aside, you could use some chalk, you know.

(09:23):
They there wasn't It wasn't that they were right of center,
to your point, but there also wasn't an outright undermining
disdain and hatred of anybody who was democracy dies and
at the top of the newspaper, it's gotten crazy for sure. Uh,
you could read Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon. They would

(09:43):
make you laugh.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
You know. They weren't obsessed with toxic masculinity. They didn't
employ people like Taylor Lorenz and that crazy Jennifer Rubinstein
or whatever her name is. It was left of center,
but normal, like much of the country was. And one
of the things that I think Trump is doing is
we're returning to the days of the eighties, nineties and

(10:07):
early two thousands. Slowly. The revolution that is occurring is
just a revolution of common sense. And so Buck, I
think what happened was Bezos is super busy turning Amazon
into one of the most successful businesses in the history
of the world, and he recognizes that he wants to
have an influence on something other than lowering the price

(10:29):
of diapers and managing to get flip flops to you
in six hours, which is something that's happened. Like I
ordered flip flops from Ambergia the other day. It's pretty awesome.
Let's respect, you know. I mean, the business that he
built is incredible, and I think he thought this is
a part of giving back. It's a small fraction of
his overall net worth. And then he started to read

(10:51):
the paper. When he retired, he moved to Miami, he
got a hot girlfriend, probably went from benching one hundred
pounds to suddenly he'd be and Swollens Jeff Bezos right,
He's throwing up weight everywhere.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
And I believe, I believe they call him beast mode
Bezos or beast most Bezos has shown up.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
And I think he finally decided that he was willing
to stand up to the newspaper. He started to hire people.
He hired a former Wall Street journal editor. He started
to fire people. And I've said this for a long time.
There's no point in having fu money if occasionally you

(11:32):
don't say f you. And if you're one of the
richest men in the world and you own a media
outlet and you think that media outlet is producing really
poor journalism, which it was, and far left wing biased journalism,
some of which Buck actually would cover Amazon and him.
So I think the coverage of the newspaper of him personally,

(11:54):
he looked at it and said this is not very good.
And I think he finally stood up and said I'm
going to try to drag this paper back towards some
measure of decency. A couple things to throw it into
the mix here.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
One is, the winds are blowing really hard in this
direction right now. So I'm not about to give somebody
a big old high five for their love of the
Constitution and patriotism because they realize the Trump certainly the
Trump juggernaut is going where it's going, and you might
as well get out of the way or hop on

(12:28):
the hop on the train.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So that's part one, part two. And I think we've
seen this from a number of the Silicon Valley barons,
which Bezos, yes, Amazon, but he's in a little bit
of a different category than some.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Of those other guys I would. I would argue he's.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Been in the game a very long time, but they
didn't realize how crazy their side really was. There has
been some of that. There certainly has been that with
Elon he's admitted that, and there have been others as
well who were so focused on what they were doing
building these online companies and these global b a myths

(13:05):
that were worth hundreds of billions of dollars that they
didn't recognize that the party that they had become that
they had long been used to voting as a part
of had just basically gone insane on a whole range
of issues. I do think it was a surprise to Elon.
I don't think he was the only one. I don't
think naval Ravakan would have considered himself right wing. I
don't think he is right wing even now. I just

(13:27):
think he's a sound thinker. And it became impossible to
be a sound and logical thinker and still be in
the good graces of the Democrat Party. So for some
of these guys, that's been a big break with the
left wing consensus.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh look, I'm about five or six years ahead of
some of these guys, so I tend to in terms
of my political evolution. So I tend to be more
lenient than you do. I get it because you and
like frankly me have been dealing with these guys putting
up roadblocks to us being able to just argue what
we believe. The Washington Post has not been very kind
to me when they've written articles about me. Facebook censored

(14:04):
both of us. So Bezos and Zuckerberg are not my bros.
Like I'm not like, Hey, I want to go grab
a beer with these guys. I don't think i've I mean,
I don't really check it on face. I don't think
I've gained like a person on Facebook in years. Yeah,
how is that possible?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
It's because because I'm in the back end, there's somehow,
you know, I get slapped by the way conservatives, a
lot of them who have done really well on Facebook.
There's something going on there. I don't know what it is,
but they've got some hookup or they've got some because
if you've been speaking the truth for years, you have
been shut down on Facebook, no question about it. And
a lot of good conservatives have just stopped using it
because of that. But the people that are still like

(14:41):
has spent years. If you made it through the pandemic
and you still had millions of followers on Facebook and
you consider self a conservative.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
You sold out somewhere. I don't know how that's possible.
This is such a big point in general on so
much of the media evolving in real time. Evolution is
very kind. I think that the cost of SA saying hey,
I'm a Trump guy has got has vanished. That is
the social cost. You mentioned it, Buck Like, we're hearing

(15:08):
from people. Hey, you go to the gym in New
York City, somebody's in a maga hat. You lived in
New York City, you would have never seen somebody at
like Equinox Joy.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Before I met my amazing wife, I had people who
who broke I would meet them in person, and if
I asked them out on a date, they would bail
on me because they were like, I cannot believe the
things that you publicly say about Donald Trump. That happened
a few times. You know, you're at a party. I
don't know what someone's politics. Aren't necessarily you get the

(15:37):
phone number. I'm a single guy, bailed on the date
because I like Trump, So I paid my dues.

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Speaker 2 (17:11):
We are joined by Congressman Byrons Donald's now from the
fantastic state of Florida, which Congressman appreciate you being with us.
My understanding, our understanding everybody's is that you have your
eye on the governor's position going forward. And I just

(17:32):
want to know what brought you to this and what
would you do because I love this Florida. Tell me
the amazing things you plan to do as governor for
this great state of Florida.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Well, first of all, it's great to be with you guys. Yep,
I'm running for governor of Florida. I announced last night,
and you know, look for me. I came to the
state at seventeen. I got it, you know. I got
off a Greyhound bus in Tallahassee, Florida to go to
college at a trunk full of clothes and that was
about it. And I was able to build a family,
a career in finance, I mean, not even dealing with politics.

(18:06):
It Beflorida politics, and build a career in this state
and it's been wonderful to me. And I wanted to
make sure that it continues to be the best state
in the country far none. You know, we've had great
leadership by Ron de Santis and there's been so much
work that's been done to move Florida from a purple
from a blue state. To a purple state to know
a red state, and my mission is just to keep

(18:27):
it going and make it better than it's ever been.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Byron, we're going to get into the governor race and
all those things. But I said in the first hour
that I had to ask you the most important question
in the mind of many people in Florida. What in
the world happened to your Florida State seminoles. One of
the last times you were on with us, you were
arguing that you should have been in the playoffs. Now,
I mean, are you guys even going to be able

(18:51):
to beat anybody in the ACC this coming year?

Speaker 4 (18:55):
You know what, That's a low blow. You weren't even
supposed to do that. But that's all right. Listen, Florida say,
it was a tough year last year, but we'll be back.
But I still standball what I said the year before.
We should have been in the playoffs because we had
a fantastic season, but last year just things didn't work out.
So you know, we're gonna retool and we're gonna rebuild
and we'll be back. Don't even worry about it. One

(19:15):
thing you got to know about the Florida State Seminoles
we're unconquered. We're gonna make sure we returned. We're gonna
be back better.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know, I don't know if you know this, Byron,
but Buck's wife is a Florida Gator grad. What should
Buck has never been to an FSU UF game? And
it's one of the great rivalries in all of college football?
What should he know about that in State Florida rivalry
and how bitter and frankly fantastic it has been for
football fans over the years.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Listen, it's one of the best rivalries in football. It's intense.
Make sure you go, and then when you go, and
make sure you go. It doesn't even matter if you're
in Dolt Campbell or you're in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium.
It's always a great time. The teams come out and
play hard. The records don't even matter in these games.
It's smash mouth football. It is a great time. And

(20:03):
it's the same type of rivalry like Michigan and Ohio State,
like Alabama and Auburn. It's just a great time, great feeling,
great event. You know, somebody wins, somebody loses. You know,
Florida State's won a lot of them, but so as
the University of Florida. But look, make sure you get
out there and watch that game. It's phenomenal. I try
not to miss it.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Speaking of Congress and Bayern Donalds, he is running for
the next opening in the governor's mansion here in Florida,
the Congress and I want to brought it in an
out nationally here for a second, if I could. You
and President Trump have a great relationship, and obviously he
has already come forward with a full throated endorsement of
you for governor of Florida. What are you thinking right

(20:47):
now about how it's all going? I mean, as you're
seeing Trump and Doge with Elon acting on behalf of
the president, shaking up the system, the media in retreat,
just I wanted to get it's your take on is
this all moving even faster than you anticipated? And how
do you want to get in on the action and help.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's actually moving faster than even I thought. But I
will tell you that the team has been committed to
having this be done, and it's different. It's one thing
when you just have a chief executive who's mission minded,
but when you have a team around him that's also
about the same mission. This these are the results that
you get. They've been moving at warp speed and it's
a great thing to see. And I think in terms

(21:30):
of getting in on the action, that's just Congress doing
its job. Last night we were able to pass through
a budget resolution to start moving the president's agenda through Congress.
We've passed one, the bigger one, the Senate passed the
smaller one. But we're going to start rocking and rolling
in Congress to meet the moment and meet the urgency
that the Trump administration has come back to Washington with it.

(21:53):
It's been a great thing. Listen. I was listening to
the Breakfast Club. There's a clip of the Breakfast Club
the other day from somebody who's a federalmployee, and she
was saying, like she doesn't even understand why people are
complaining about how you have to like send out an
email talking about what you did and if you can,
if you could have put that email out, then you
know what are you doing? You might need to go
find another job. And that's on the Breakfast Club. I mean,

(22:13):
they're not known to be a bastion of conservatism in
America first policy, but that's what the American people are
looking for. It's time to be efficient. It's time to
just get the job done. And if you're just going
to be an impediment to that, you got to get
out the way. It's about the American people first, second,
and third, it's not about special interests. It's not about
a loaded federal bureaucracy that just gets to continue operating

(22:36):
regardless of elections, regardless of what are the needs of
the American people.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I know, Byron, you have a huge amount of support
already in Florida, and as you mentioned, Florida's a red state.
Now the Republican nominee is going to be the governor.
I think that's going to be you. Do you expect
very many other people to get in the race? What
do you think this Republican primary is going to look
like going forward?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Honestly, I really don't know. I will see. I mean, look,
my focus is just run the best race. I can.
Work hard, get to every part of our state, talk
to the people and earn their support. And you know,
whether it's two people, three people, ten people, I think
will be successful. Really, I'm honored to have the president support.

(23:21):
We're building support all over the state from people that
I served with with my time in Tallahassee, people that
I've worked with in my time in Congress, and it
is really a humbling feeling to know that so many
people support you and have your back. But we're just
going to take this campaign to the people. It's about
seeing people in their communities, addressing their concerns and earning
their support. And look, I have the you know, I

(23:42):
have the biggest endorsement in politics with President Trump, but
I want to go earn the endorsement from every Floridian
because you know, for our state to continue on the
trajectory we're going, everybody's got to be a part of it.
It's going to be a total team effort.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
You got the endorsement of Trump again in my opinion,
and you're gonna be the nominee. And I don't want to,
you know, spike the football before we get to early,
but appreciate you announcing. Do you think that Governor Ron
DeSantis will endorse How do you think that he won't
play it out? He's term limited out for people out
there who may not know, so he cannot run again.

(24:18):
Twenty twenty six, there's going to be a new governor regardless.
Are you going to ask for seek his endorsement. What
do you think he'll do with the race.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I mean, I would love to earn it, and I
think the reason and I think honestly, you know, back
in twenty eighteen, you know, when Governor DeSantis, then candidate DeSantis,
had won the primary and the radical left try to
go at him because you know of a phrase he
used about referring to his opponent. You know, I went
and did media instead in the gap for him because
I believed he was going to be a great governor.

(24:48):
And I was proven right. He has been a great governor.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
I was there to help him win in twenty eighteen
campaign for him, have always supported him, and I think
at the end of the day, I just want to
be able to pick his brain, you know, learn from him.
You know that being the chief executive is not easy,
and so there's a lot of I know, there's a
lot of advice he has. I want to be able
to lean on that, and so I would love to
be able to earn his support, and I think there
will be a time for that. So we'll see how

(25:11):
that goes, you know. But in terms of how the
rest of the rate on the rest of the race
unfolds too soon to tell. I'm just going to focus
on my business and really go see the people of
Florida and earn their support.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
What do you think about the recent move from the
governor's office Congressman Donald's to get rid of property taxes
here in the state of Florida. I mean, that's something
that it sounds it sounds too good to be true,
but he seems serious about it. If he's not able
to get that done before the end of his term,
is that something you would look at. We already think
of Florida as a low tax state, but which is great.

(25:46):
But I think other states also look at this and say, well,
hold on a second, are there other efficiencies, other things
that we can do to make this in even more
not just attractive climate for businesses, but for individuals who
don't want to feel like they have to rent their
house from the state every year, which is really what
property taxes end up being.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
No, that's one hundred percent correct. I think you know,
even when Governor DeSantis was in Congress, this is something
I believe he was advocated for, and so I think
he's serious about it. If they're successful in Tallahassee. I
would love for them to be able to do that,
and it's something I definitely want to look at. I
think it's important for people to understand there are a
lot of nuances when you get rid of property taxes.

(26:25):
So I'm not trying to hedge. I'm trying to make
sure people understand all the ramifications associated with it. But
I would be in support of getting rid of property
taxes in our state. There are other ways to raise
revenue for local government, so they can provide for police,
for fire, for roadways, and for capital improvements in building schools.
There's ways to do that. I think this is a

(26:48):
golden opportunity, not just in Florida's history, but in the
country's history to really examine new ways of doing business
that are far more efficient, far more responsive to the
needs and to the will of the people. And just
as a quick pushback for people who would say, oh, well,
getting rid of property taxes only favors people who have
means or who are wealthy, Let's be perfectly honest. Let's

(27:11):
be intellectually honest. If you rent property in Florida, you
are paying property taxes because if you're a property from
somebody else, you're paying in part the property taxes through
your rent. So it affects everybody, whether you're a renter,
whether you're an owner, rich or poor, everybody's affected. So

(27:31):
if we're going to do this, let's look at it intellectually, honestly,
and let's make sure we're doing the best thing for
everybody in our state, So especially people who are or
they have more access to be able to own a
home or buy a home, or whatever the case might be.
But then from a government perspective, we are efficient in
how we are levying taxes on our citizens, and that

(27:53):
we have to be responsive with the dollars that we're
taking from citizens to run government.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Byron Donaldsy's announced Congress from South Florida that he is
going to be running for governor of the state of Florida.
Last question for you here, I own property in Florida.
I love it thirty A beautiful place.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Bucket the Gulf of America, in fact o popery on
the Gulf of America. I do I own property on
the Gulf of America. Buck is going to be voting
in your race. He is a citizen of the state
of Florida. What does it say I want to go
back to how you started it off, because I think
it's super compelling. You came to Florida with nothing at
seventeen years old.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now you are. It's a great American success story running
to be the governor of the state of Florida. What
does it say about the opportunity that the Sunshine State
offers your career path and the life trajectory that you
have had.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
We're a meritocracy, That's what Florida is. Florida's a meritocracy.
If you work hard enough, if you grind and look,
nothing's perfect, this pitfalls everywhere, that's just life. But if
you work hard and you grind, and you constantly are
looking forward to the next successes, things to really happen
for you in our state, you know. And I look
at look our current governor. He grew up poor. I

(29:08):
think it was Dunedin is where he grew up. He
grew up poor, and look what he's done for himself
in his life. It has been a phenomenal life for him,
Governor Scott. Governor Scott, this single parent household, like me,
grew up poor, and look at what he's been able
to do in his life. And so I think that
when you take that, when you peel back the layers
of the you know, the last two men, the current
men to lead our state, Governor Scott before him, potentially me.

(29:32):
I think what it demonstrates is in our state, anything
and everything is possible. It's hard work, it's determinations, it's
having your family and people good people around you, and
as long as you could try to put those things
together and just walk through the pitfalls that come in
everybody's life, success is really around the corner. So you know,
if that's what it means, is being the state's next governor,

(29:53):
that that's really a symbol of what's possible, so be it.
But it's really about everybody in our state just chasing
that dream in Florida being the land of freedom and
opportunity for everybody in the Sunshine State.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Congressman Byron Donald's and hopefully the next governor of my
beautiful state of Florida. Congressman, appreciate you, sir. We'll talk
to you more as the race continues on there, and
we really thank you for making the time listen.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Thanks, guys, I really appreciate it. You guys take it easy.

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Speaker 2 (32:01):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck Immigration perhaps
the biggest, certainly top two in the mission set for
the Trump administration coming in here to this term, and
we may be joined here momentarily by borders.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Are Tom Holman. He's busy again.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Just like when we had the Secretary of State on
they got to call the next day, they got to
call the next day. This is We're gonna have a
lot of administration people joining us over the next four
years and particularly the next eighteen months. So you know
we are at their disposal right like they know open
invite to get these Cabinet secretaries to join us when
they can. But Trump said this about immigration, and this

(32:41):
was not an idea I had heard before. It is
getting some conversation going. That's one way of putting it.
Cut three, play it.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
We're gonna be doing something else. It's gonna be very
very good. We're going to be selling a gold card.
You have a green card. This is a gold card.
We're gonna be putting a price on that card of
about five million dollars and that's going to give you
Green card privileges. Plus it's going to be a rout
to citizenship and wealthy people will be coming into our

(33:10):
country by buying this card. They'll be wealthy and they'll
be successful, and they'll be spending a lot of money
and paying a lot of taxes and employing a lot
of people. And we think it's going to be extremely successful.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have a few thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
First of all, I think ten million sounds like a
better number if we're going to be selling green cards
and calling it a gold card. That's the first thing
that I thought about. I'm also not sure this is
going to get through, but we'll see. I kind of
think it's genius I'm not gonna lie and let me
tell you why. There are a lot of countries, So
I'm gonna put my wife on blast here pre Trump reelection.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well, hold on, I'll tell you the story. We got
Tom Holman, we got this ze who's joining us. Now
my wife I will tell you this story still unless
she blows up my phone. But Tom Holman is with us.
Tom Holman, Borders are sir.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Thanks, thank you for taking a moment in the break
from among the most important, if not the most important
mission of the Trump administration so far. Sir, Can you
just tell us we've been covering and this audience is
very familiar with the details of what has been going on,
the total shutdown of illegal crossings by over ninety percent,
all that. Can you tell us what comes now? What

(34:21):
are the escalations, What are the things that we should
expect in the weeks and months ahead from the perspective
of border security.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Well as far as border security, I'm looking at the
numbers this morning. Are crossing compared to Biden administration. We're
down ninety seven percent. We're looking at about two hundred
apprehends of a day, and that's down from seventeen thousand
under Biden, so it's a ninety seven percent decrease. The
most impressive number I saw was the number of gataways.

(34:50):
And in twenty twenty three hundred Buyen gotaways. And these
are known gutaways. These are people who capturing video done
traffic or censor traffic that got away. They weren't apprehended
because Borbeto was too busy dealing with the humanitarian crisis,
families and all that other stuff. So they're dealing about
eighteen hundred do average a day. Out of the got
aways yesterday, forty one forty one across two thousand miles

(35:12):
of board. So you know, I've been doing this since
nineteen eighty four. I've never seen that number ever. So
the southern borders, it's at the best place I remember
it being. And President Trump was able to do that
in one month, right, So we got some work to
do because forty one got aways are forty one too
many gataways. I want zero gataways. Once we get zero gtaways,
and we can say we have total operational control of

(35:35):
the southern border, and we won't get there, and I
really truly believe that. So we've got some more things
to do where the gallaways are were flexing resources and
enforce the personnel DoD and border throw of those areas
and just said we squeeze them out. We're asking Mexcro
now that President Trump forced Mexical military and board arrested
them to a pede and deny entry, which means they

(35:55):
shouldn't be touching your soil. So we're working on that.
We'll get to that endgame. Very as far as the
interior enforcement, you know, I looked at numbers morning. We're
just shoted twenty five thousand arrests in the interior United
States fight ice, the vast majority of them being criminals.
We need to do better. Like the numbers are more
than twice as much as Biden a year ago. Today,

(36:17):
we've doubled the amount of criminal rests. We've doubled amounts
of ganga rests, We've doubled amounts of ali Erans arrested.
But I'm happy, but I'm not satisfied. The number these
me more twice of the President I did. Personally, Nothing
is not impressive to me. We to do more. So
we're putting more teams out there. We just brought in
some contractors on to increase the targeting, putting more targets

(36:40):
out there, til teams to go look for. We got
the whole again. We've got the FBI, US Marshals, DEA, AHF.
All these agencies are bringing any criminalsity. They have to
deal with foreign nationals, so we're working on that. I
got Pambining at the table now soon the sanctuary city.
So we are constantly putting ropebox up and causing us
to be less efficient. So we had a lot of
things work, and so I expect those arrestlment cherry to

(37:02):
rise in the very near future, and then I'll be happier.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
How much, thanks for coming on and thank you for
all the work you're doing. We're talking to Tom Homan.
Ninety seven percent down on border crossings, twenty five thousand arrests,
two times what Biden was doing on arrest violent criminals.
And again, the work you've done in a month speaks
for itself. You mentioned a little bit there at the end,
Pam Bondi being in now is Department of Justice. You've
got cash and you've got Dan Bongino now running the FBI.

(37:31):
How much opposition. There have been reports that sometimes Ice
is getting the raids are being tipped off in advanced
from deep staters who may well oppose what you're trying
to do. How much do you think that is actually
going on? And to what extent does there need to
be an investigation into opposition from inside of our own government?

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, to what extent? One is too many? But we
have identified how much leaka curred for a Laura Colorado
that's being investigating. Now we've identify that person. Uh so
we'll see all that investigator turns out. But more so
he's going to end up at a removal prosecution.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
The Secretary has information that maybe a leaka came out
of FBI. I'm not privy to that. Uh answer is
it'll be that way too. But I want to say
this because the vast majority of agents saw the ninety
nine point ages out there, including f I agents are
doing a great job. And you know they're out there
taking bad guys off the street. So look, once too many.

(38:35):
We've identified one and maybe another one. But I just
came back from Houston, Texas. I ran an operation at
Colony Ridge. The rest one hundred and nineteen people. That
operation went seamless, flawless. We took a lot of bad guys.
Other that's a cartail presence there, but they got cartail
presence no more. So we're gonna keep doing it and
then when I'm gonna stop. The biggest problem is is

(38:56):
the sanctuary cities who are constantly uh but princess and
putting pictures up of our officers or names or phone
numbers or address dosing them. And I've actually I met
with Pam bind Me this morning. I'm in the OG opinion.
When you put an agency, picture, name, address, phone number
in a public fusic, here's are the people doing this stuff?

(39:18):
I think that's impediment. I think that crosses the line.
So I want her opinion on if we can go
identify who's doing this, to rest them, put handcuffs on them.
So I'm waiting that opinion. I should get anything now.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Speaking of borders, are Tom Holman, who spent decades as
a guy on the front lines of our border and
the national security implications of our border and understands all
the ins and outs of this. And Tom on on
the issue of the of the ramp up. I mean,
you've talked about the numbers, first of all, the shutting
down the border, illegal crossings, the way that you've already done.

(39:54):
It's it's been phenomenal. It has shown the Democrats one
of the wide open borders. It's a huge win already
that the Trump administration has delivered for the whole country.
But then there's the issue of the ten million plus
who came in under Biden and the millions and millions
of others who are at various stages of illegal status here.

(40:16):
You know, the overall number is not something that we
seem to have a real definite sense of. But to
get to the kind of numbers that Trump was talking
about on the campaign trail would have to be a
dramatic increase in deportations. And there's some talk that's already
circulating of a private sector auxiliary, if you will. Eric

(40:39):
Prince's name has been floated as somebody involved in this.
Is that something the administration would consider, meaning bringing in
private sector to help with the deportations. And if so,
or if not, what is the plan to get these
numbers to where there are, you know, hundreds of thousands
being deported a month instead of whatever the current number eight?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Well, I can tell you I've been told that I've
been sent that plan, but I haven't seen it. Again
and again I'm stealing with the five hundred emails a day,
whatever about a thousand texts. I'm slammed, But I haven't
seen that plan. But I've said from the beginning we
need to contract a lot of this work out. What
I mean, it's non law enforce work, right. We got
badges and gun with immigration story processing. We got him

(41:23):
writing warrants, we got them doing transportation, we got him
doing intelligence work. We got them on trans ground, in
air transport. I want to take every badging gun with
immigration authority and put him on the street. Things that
don't like we spent thousands of hours a week processing
illegal aliens. It doesn't take a badging gun, doesn't take
immigration authority. It takes some of the speech Spanish, the

(41:44):
processes peop before us. So I'm looking now to build
out a large contract contracting a machine to take law
enforcement officiers out of those non law enforced dudes, to
put them on a street. Of course, that takes money,
takes a lot of money. So I've been up on
the hill several times in the last couple of weeks
till timers, you need to pass this boarder build get

(42:04):
us some money to do that. And the more money
we have, the more successful we will be. It puts
more agents on the street, it puts more bad guys
in jail, and our deportation flights where will go a
lot higher. But I can tell you this. You know,
I was contact by media person you know, push this
false narrative. Removal numbers behind Biden, but just remember Biden

(42:26):
was counting voratrol removals with ICE removals, So of courses
numbers highing mines of people who gave were crossing the border.
We got the border locked down, but if you look
at incurior rests, just those are rested in the interior
by Iceley more than double them. But again i'mout halfway
that we've had ten times more than Biden because Biden
wasn't doing very much. So that is the plan right now,

(42:46):
do contract and a lot of us work out. I
haven't seen the plan he talked about. I'm looking forward
to reading it. But right now we got to get
law enforcement officers, every one of them on the street,
take them away from these non enforcement duties and get
them doing they should be doing, putting handcuffs on a
bad guy. So certainly looking forward to reading it. Well,
some we go from there. But the whole concept of
contacting that workout makes sense to me is what we

(43:08):
need to do.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
We're talking to Tom Homan. Borders are doing credible work
so far. Two part question here. One, how has Eric Adams,
New York City's mayor cooperation been with you so far?
I saw the Roosevelt Hotel was getting shut down? Second part,
Can Buck and I come with you on an ice
raid at some point to see for ourselves what your
crew is doing?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Answer to the second question, we'll make that work. We've
had a lot of media out there and we pulled
back to meet it just because we want to verify
the leaks. But I certainly don't thank you.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Can you don't have to worry about us guys?

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, well, we'll certainly. We're certainly looking at at right now,
ride longs are are just hold while we.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Can kind of says, and Tom Clay hasn't really even
been to the border, so we would love to get
with border patrol, get up in a helo see what's
going on. I mean, I've been down many times, but
I want to get down with Clay. So we want
to talk to your team about that happen.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Look we'll make that happen. Look, I've been from day
when I said I want to be transparent the American people.
Show me exactly what we're doing, exactly who are wrestling,
exactly why we're doing it. We put a hold on
it just while we're dealing with these leagues. But we're
getting Coase getting beyond that now. So we'll fire him
back up. As far as Mayor Adams, well, i'll find
out next week. I'll be with them next week. And
and he's supposed to be writing executive order to get

(44:30):
back in the Rikers. If he does that, getting us
in the Rikers, that's the game changer. But I know
what he wants to do the right thing, And what
what irritates me is that he wants to be a
law and order mayor. And because he wants to be
a law order mayor, because he's talking to Tom Hollman
in a government hope wants to fire. And this is
the same lady who said on National TV a month ago,

(44:50):
when illigal alliens are beating up on an NYPD, when
they're you know, setting a woman on fire on the subway,
she says she fully supports the arrest and de rotation
of criminal anlings. Yet she wants to fire the mayor.
That's one led us in the Rikers Island. You're kidding me.
And plus she still has a green light lob which
means if you're ance agent, but if you're a barbital agent,

(45:10):
you can't have access to New York State DMV data,
which means if you're in a patrol car you're getting
ready to pull somebody over, like law enforcement does every day.
You're run an licens plate memories, try to find out
who's in that car, who owns that cars, if there's
wants some warns in that car. The mending water of
ice in Borbito do not have access to that data.
So so much for her words saying she supports the

(45:31):
deportation of criminals, and she continues to roadblocks instead of
her fire and Mayor Adams. The voters in New York
need to fire her because she talks out of one
side of her mouth and accent differently on the other side,
So she should be removed. That's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Tom Holman. I think you are the definition of the
right man for the job, and it is an absolutely
critical job for the nation right now. So we are
thankful for your many years of service, and we are
very thankful that you are in this position now as
borders are, and we'll be in touch with you, and
you know, let us know we can get the truth
out about what's happening there. So thank you so much, sir,
and please keep up the great work.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
And God bless some men and women in the United
States barbatol. God bless some women women of immigration customer
enforcement third boot tend the ground they're making this happen,
so God bless them.

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Speaker 1 (47:25):
One reason, and by the way, I encourage you as
always go subscribe to the podcast Byron Donald's and Tom Holman,
both on in the last hour. I think you will
really enjoy those conversations. Lots of information from inside of
the administration breakdown. I think Byron Donald's going to be
elected governor Florida next year. That would be my prediction. Obviously,

(47:48):
there's lots of different things that happen between now and then.
Tom Holman is doing a phenomenal job. I think I
got us invited on an ice raid, which I'm gonna
be honest, sounds kind of fun and badass.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I think, Clay, you gotta be first through the door, swinging,
uh swinging the sledgehammer or the battering ram I think,
I think, I think, Clay, have you ever worn tactical
gear before? We're gonna get you all kidded out?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I went, uh No. When I was a law student,
I did a ride around with Nashville local police because
they wanted we were doing criminal law. They were like, hey,
you should actually see what a cop does. And I've
been involved in criminal cases, not myself, but as a lawyer.

(48:33):
This is lawyers. I'm talking about Clay.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I'm talking throwing some flash bangs, throwing some elbows, you know,
getting nobody.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I remember one of the thing that I found so
interesting was my criminal law professor at Vanderbilt University, Don Hall,
amazing guy, just a great guy, Rest in peace. I
taught generations of Vanderbilt lawyer's criminal law. He said that
when he would go, he would like to go because
he loved to kind of learn in real time how

(49:02):
do police It's really very fascinating. How do police officers
in a dynamic situation. Apply the law so that the
evidence that they collect or the arrest they make are
able to stand up under the challenges of defense attorney.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I mean, you're going very academic on this. I just
want video of Clay tackling some gang men.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Well, this is where I was going. He said he
had assisted as a law professor in arresting bad guys
because on one of the raids that he was on,
they had too many bad guys and not enough cops
and he just dove and tackled somebody I'm talking about.
When this happened, he was thinking, like, this is going

(49:44):
to be the craziest legal hypothesis ever, dorky law professor,
and he was in good shape and like, but you know,
actually assisting in an arrest would be one of the
all time great fat background hypotheticals. And that's what he
said was going through his mind when he dove and
made the tackle. I think he, by the way, was
an FSU grad Like Byron Donald's an FSU. We could

(50:07):
get you deputized by ice.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
But you know, you know, just just remember, you know,
it's it's never it's fine to throw the elbow, Clay.
You know what I'm saying, if somebody tries to take
you down, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
So I would love to do the raid now. So
I encourage you to go listen to our number two.
When I asked if we could go on an Ice
raid as other members of the media have. I also
love that Tom Holman said that he wasn't worried about
us leaking the Ice raid coming. I think that's a
good I think that's a good hypothesis from him. He's
been on a bunch of times over the years, even
as Biden had failed with the border. Okay, so we

(50:42):
started as we brought in Tom Homan to talk about
this Trump gold card idea. And for those of you
haven't seen this, one reason I loved Trump is every
now and then he says something that I've never heard
anybody talk about, like I've never heard this disgust in
any kind of substantial way. And he said, look, there

(51:03):
are a lot of countries where you can buy citizenship
and you will pay a certain amount of money and
you can become a citizen. And let me I started
to explain this. My wife Laura, who you well know, Buck,
I would say, has a few Prepper tendencies, meaning we're

(51:23):
adding a lot of guns. She's got a go bag.
She's talked about building a underground bunker in the event.
She has looked. During COVID, she got really afraid about
where the country was going. And when Biden was elected,
she did research on, hey, how do you become a citizen,

(51:45):
for instance, of a Caribbean nation. How do you become
a citizen of a place where you theoretically could be
removed There's an ocean to protect you from chaos elsewhere.
And so she was telling me all this stuff. She's
got a law background too, that there are actually tons
of countries out there, and I never really had looked
into it or experienced it where you can basically buy

(52:07):
a passport and it's not just Caribbean nations. I believe
the island of Malta you can pay and you get
an EU passport, so it would entitle you to travel,
for instance, all throughout the European Union, you and your family. Meanwhile,
we got all these people coming illegally into our country
trying to become citizens, and we don't buy and large

(52:30):
monetize that in any way. So Trump, the ultimate businessman,
has said we should have a golden ticket basically where
you pay five million dollars and you and your family
can come to the United States and become citizens. And
he took it a step further, and he said, if

(52:51):
ten million people around the world did this, we could
eliminate our entire national debt. Now I'm trust Trump on this.
Ten million times five million? Is that fifty trillion? I
don't know. I know it's a big number. I tried
to do it on my calculator, buck and then I
got that E and a bunch of zeros, And I'm

(53:11):
not good enough at math to know. Can somebody with
a calculator confirm Trump's math?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Here?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
In the meantime, listen to the audio.

Speaker 7 (53:20):
We'll be able to sell maybe a million of these cards,
maybe more than that. And if you add up the numbers,
they're pretty good. As an example, a million cards would
be worth five trillion dollars five trillion, and if you
sell ten million of the cards, that's a total of
fifty trillion dollars. Well, we have thirty five trillion in debt.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
That'd be nice.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
So we'll see, but it could be great. Maybe it
will be fantastic. We haven't all worked out from the
legal standpoint, it's totally legal to do.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Oh Buck, this is brilliant to me. And if the
math adds and I'm trusting Trump here because my calculator
is not good enough, I don't see what the downside
is that you're skeptical. I can see Buck's face. He's like,
I don't know. I think this is actually genius. Super
rich people, all their assets coming here, eliminating a substantial

(54:17):
swath of our national debt. We got ten million illegals
that came in during Biden with almost no assets. I
would much rather have ten million insanely rich people from
around the world paying off our national debt and bring
as many of their assets here as possible. What am
I missing? What do you?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
What are you skeptical about? First off, I just think
the numbers should be ten million.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Okay, so you actually think we're not charging enough that
I don't think is enough.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, I don't think that's I don't think that you
should just be able to get to the front of
the line on this. Look, here's the My My position
is that really we've actually had too much immigration for
too long, and that we need to just be America
for a while. Like we're good. We need to get
we need to deport a lot of illegals. We need
to allow us immolation of the legal immigrants who have
been here to occur, which is just part of you know,

(55:05):
time and culture and exposure and being here. You know,
we that we it's kind of no room at the end.
Is a little bit of how I feel right now.
To be honest with you, I shouldn't say no room.
But it's been crazy, all right, And just look at
the numbers. The country's never been through anything like this before.
We've never had the level of both legal and illegal

(55:25):
immigration together in such a condensed period of time, to
the tune of millions, millions, tens of millions. We have
more foreign born Americans than at any time, certainly in
the last one hundred and fifty years. And so we
need we need a little you know, America gets to
just be America for a while. And that means I
think we got to look what Canada is doing. Canada

(55:48):
went through this and by the way, Canada has a
points system. How much money do you have, what level
of education do you have? And they got all kinds
of problems from this. So am I am I opposed
to this in principle. So on the one hand, there's
just then I don't like. I don't want more H
one b's, you know, being added into the mix. I
very much disagreed. We didn't going to talk about this

(56:09):
the whole. The vague take on that I thought was
horrendous and wrong and just like blasphemy as far as
I'm concerned for America. But anyway, I think that there
needs to be a change in the way that we're
taking in legal immigrants. Fine, I think it needs to
be less. Do we want very rich people to come here. Yes,

(56:30):
that's a good thing. They will bring assets, they will
create jobs. If it's going to be so easy that
you can just buy it, I think the numbers should
be higher than five million personally. So that's one thing.
Maybe Trump will be with me on that. And I
think it would have to be capped, right, So what
he's talking about would be anybody who wants it could
come here.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Well, first of all, the question that I would have,
and this is the data nerd in me, is what
is the total addressable market? How many people actually have
the ability to pay five or in your case, I
don't necessarily disagree ten million to become citizens. And that's
people who are not obviously already in the United States

(57:08):
because and I understand people talk like out there, yeah,
what are you there are there are six.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Million millionaires in China. Wow, six million millionaires in China alone.
Is America going to really feel that much like the America?
We know if you let in, let's just even say
half there. If three million Chinese millionaires are here, this
is we're getting into some real numbers.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
You know, that's a lot of people. Well, what I
would say from one place point out is a lot
of these people would already own homes in America. So
the richer you are, the more likely you are, frankly
to stash your cashle And also should you should you
have to give up your I don't think you should
be allowed to be a dual citizen with this. I

(57:54):
don't like that for a whole bunch of an international
that's an interest. So I think you have to be
only a US I don't think you could keep your
EU passport or keep your Chinese passport. If you're going
to do this program that Trump's talking about, you got
to be all in on America. So again, there's some
details that need to be worked out.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I mean, I see, I see the numbers.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
But but I feel like there also has to be
a component of this that, you know, like that's a
little more of the old school. You love America, you
want to be America. Do you speak English?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
You know?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
These are all things that I.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Think need to be added into the mix as well, which,
by the we haven't been doing that. To be clear,
I would overhaul the whole immigration system dramatically.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
What I look at is, if you ask me right
now what is the biggest threat to American power, I
would say it's our thirty six trillion dollar national debt.
And I've heard very few legitimately intelligent takes on how
we could ever eliminate that in any of our lives,
because you can't. The math doesn't add up, right. You
can't tax enough to eliminate the thirty six trillion. Remember,

(58:59):
what Elon's trying to do right now is just get
it to the point where we're only spending a trillion
more than we bring in and then hope that the
growth in the nation is going to be fast enough
to eliminate that over time.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
So he's trying to slow down the monster. He's not
trying to say it's impossible from to slay the monster,
and he knows that.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
My concern is, and this is big picture as we're
getting ready for a break, but is the reason why
crypto is taking off is a lot of very smart
people are looking at our fiat currency, that is the dollar,
and they are saying the dollar is diminishing in value
every day because Americans have borrowed so much against it
that at some point in time, the borrowing cabal collapses.

(59:41):
And when it does, whether you're a billionaire or you're
living paycheck to paycheck, you are going to bear the consequences.
And I would argue we're all bearing the consequences now
with seven percent mortgages, with twenty some odd percent credit
card interest, with the amount you know, getting a lot
of sixty months, zero percent entry, when you buy a
car now, right, all of that adds up. It takes

(01:00:03):
money out of your pocket. So your concern, I think
is an interesting one on geopolitical tensions. Who the loyalty
of these individuals owe their loyalty to. My concern is,
if you told me Clay you have a magic one,
you can erase one major concern in the United States.
To me, it is the national debt, and I've never

(01:00:23):
heard anybody come up with an idea of how to
actually eliminate the national debt. My question is, I don't
know that the total addressable market of people willing to
do this is ten million, But if it is, I
don't think it is either. But if it were, or
if you doubled the cost like you said, and it's
five million, you could eliminate the whole national debt just
with this program.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Well, it's also amazing to think about you can pay
five million dollars through the legal way, or until recently,
you could pay five thousand dollars to the cartel run
across the border and basically get a lot of the
same value out of it, especially if there's ever an
amnesty that comes, which the Democrats still want.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I'm not comfortable with the idea of America as an
economic zone, and when you're selling citizenship, it starts to
feel more and more like there's there should To me,
there should be something more about America than just this
is a place where you can have assets make money
and that you know, there should be something like we
agree we could be. I mean I could be. I
think you're too old now, Clay, but I could still

(01:01:23):
be drafted. You know, like there's something more to this country.
That's why you want me going in first on the
ice thing. You got too many good years of life.
Yet I gotta take the I gotta take the bullet
to the chest. Oh man, So we'll see. I'm very curious.
Let's let's open this one. This is a real talker.
I think this is a fascinating idea from Trump. Have
you ever heard it discussed ever?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Never? No, not really No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
So forur and against fur and against Trump's five million dollars.
Instead of a green card, he's calling it a gold card.
What do you think about it? Eight hundred two way
two two eight a two.

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