February 27, 2025 • 36 mins
Data guru Ryan Girdusky takes Clay to task over Trump's new gold card plan while Buck sits back and enjoys some popcorn. Congress has to stop spending like drunken sailors and throwing good money at bad projects. CNN's Scott Jennings: why would the government be actively trying to stop Trump? Clay describes being fired. Floyd Mayweather praises Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ard our Clay and Buck kicks off now, and our
friend Ryan Gerdusky joins us. He's got the podcast It's
a numbers game. And the Clay and Buck network also
writes a fantastic substack which you should subscribe to. Speaking
of a substack, here's the latest. Trump's gold visa is
bad policy. I saw this in my inbox this morning
(00:22):
and I talked to Ryan. I said, you know, Ryan,
there's somebody that I know quite well who thinks it
is not bad policy, who is very excited about this.
And I want to just let you two step into
the thunderdome over it and I get to just eat
the popcorn and watch. Clay says that you could. You
should just exactly what you think about this policy. You
will not hurt his feelings. Clay's is not a not
(00:46):
a thin skinned individual when it comes to the gold
card policy. So take me through your argument here, because
I to be fair yesterday I said, you know, I
don't love it. I don't hate it. I see some
problems with it. Clay thinks, amazing, you think not a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Why so the policy that Trump's ceran says, first of all, one,
there's legality problems. Right, the president does not have the
power to create a new green card process all on
his own, So how does he sit there and offer
a green card process. It would be through some kind
of wrangling that Biden had with illegal immigrants to basically
offer them a pathway into the country legally illegally but
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have a five million dollar hold. It doesn't really make sense,
and it's not something that a lot of wealthy individuals
would do because there's a lot of legality problems. That's
first of all. Secondly, he says it's to replace the
EB five visa. The president does not have the ability
to end visas on his own. That's another problem with it.
The EB five visa, which is what people are comparing
this to, is a visa that if wealthy people can
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invest eight hundred thousand to one million dollars in this
country and higher Americans in low income areas ten Americans
and low income areas, they can get an E five viasa,
a green cart and citizenship on like a seven year process,
a fast track the citizenship. But it's eight hundred thousand
to one million dollars. In low income areas, they can't
(02:09):
have visas. H one B or H two B visas.
It has to be ten American citizens over that time period.
A lot of problems with the system, tons of fraud.
You know, it's a big, big thing. Like Chuck Schumer
loves it because he was able to get a lot
of projects on Manhattan, which is not a low income area,
but they would drew districts into Central Park anyway. Lots
(02:30):
of fraud, lots of problems, lots of issues. So in
his statement, Trump and the Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick,
sit there and say, the problem with the EB five
visa is there's too many regulations on it. We want
an easy five million dollars you get in the country
one two three with the promise that they'll bring jobs. Well,
if there's no strings attached, well then there's no problems
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that they're going to bring jobs. It's only going to
hire Americans. They could just create an LLC in Delaware
said they made a business. It doesn't really matter. Okay,
let's say he does and he's promising up to the
Lutinx those two hundred and fifty thousand people, which is
a one point two five trillion dollar payouts in the
American government for Trump says it could be ten million
through fifty trillion. First of all, there are not ten
(03:13):
million people in the world that have five million dollars
of easy capital. So the only way that they get
ten million people is if you have foreign government sponsoring people,
which is problematic from.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
What Let me let me pause you here for a
sec because I did I like this policy, but I'm
not going to get into the back and forth right now,
because I do think one of the questions that I
had that was most significant is what a lot of
people would call a total total addressable market. That is
buck and eyword debating Ryan, how many people actually have
(03:44):
five million dollars liquid?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That is, you could stroke a check four five million dollars.
You're saying there's only ten million, Like, where does that
number come from?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
According to according to the Helleni Partners, right, this is
a rapport from twenty twenty four. Of the wealthy people
in the world, sixteen million people have five million dollars
at least thirty Because if you have five million dollars,
a lot of it's tied up into your property, into
your thisa So that's.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Why so cut you off.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's why we said yesterday and a lot of people
kind of push back that there's a difference between having
a house that's valuable and being a millionaire and being
able to write a check with one million dollars liquid.
What I asked, and I think this is important, sorry
to cut you off, is five million dollars. This basically
means if you wanted to buy a painting, right you're
at a fabulous event, you could just stroke a check
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five million dollars and that cash would be out in
a week or whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It is.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Right, how many people can actually do that is in
some respect the total addressable market.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right. The Kabenighi Research Institute put out a say, this
is only two point six million people worldwide have that
kind of money, and a third of them already live
in the United States. So you're talking about maybe one
point eight million people globally have that kind of money.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
That that's low to me, but that is if that
is accurate, then it would suggest the high end of
this policy best case scenario is not actually very high.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's not very very high to begin with. And let's
say they were to get a million people and get
five trillion dollars into the government's hands. Five trillion dollars
is what we spend on the deficit every two years.
We could the Congress could piss away this money shorter
than you could have Irish twins. That's how quickly we're
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spending money.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I get it, Ryan, But wouldn't it be a good
thing if it were possible to say, for every single
dollar we bring in, in the event that there is
a market for this, everything goes to paying down the debt.
It doesn't go anywhere else. In other words, I get
your argument. Five trillion on a thirty six trillion dollar
national debt is not a massive difference, but it's better
(05:53):
than nothing, right and right now.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
My argument, yeah, I agree with you, But the problem is,
I'm not talking to debt. I'm just talking the deficit.
I'm talking what we will accumulate if we put it
to the debt that will be back in twenty twenty seven. Like, yeah,
I would agree with you. Hut, if we were deficit neutral,
I would one hundred percent agree with you. That's a
(06:16):
great way of paying down the debt. We're not deficit neutral.
We run a two trillion dollar debt. That's the problem. Sorry,
two trillion dollar deficit every year, so that deficit is
going to replace this entire thing for a million people
plus their family members, which is a larger population that
decided the last three presidential elections. So they will have
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a right to vote within five years. This is what
Trump's saying, fast track the citizenship, right to vote anywhere.
He's saying China can apply for it, Russian oligus can
buy for it. Anyone can have been a lot in
the family could apply for it. Anyone can apply with it.
This so they have five million in cash, they could
apply for this gold card visa, get citizenship in a
five year period and be voting before JD. Evans is
(07:00):
running in twenty twenty eight. That is what Trump is
offering these people. This is and four by the way,
something that will not last toward the end of his
entire first term.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
We can I ask, can I ask a question right
about that? Do we understand what the legality of this
would be in terms of you know a lot of stuff,
Clay and I think I've seen this with some of
the big executive orders and everything. So far it's going
to go to the courts, right, We knew the Anchor
baby thing going to the courts. We know someone is
going to the courts. How would the president be able
to do this without congressional action or would he need
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congressional action?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It seems to me he would.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah. So the EB five is that we give out
ten thousand a year. That's it. So he's basically saying,
we're going to increase the EB four. We're going to
replace the EB five. Ye is that increase all the
numbers and increase the caps beyond the congressional limit. He
doesn't have that authority at all, so that would be
immediately in the courts. What he would do is do
a parole authority, which is what Biden was doing and
(07:59):
Obama is doing to allow all these illegal aliens. And
parole was a presidential power for people who were like
their parents were dying in the United States and they
wanted to fly out but they didn't have a correct visa.
A president would parole a single person, and then under
ob Obama started parolling millions of people, and Biden even
exacerbated the issue. Trump's been very against parole authority during
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his first term and during a second. That's really his
only loophole. But there's not a legality into getting a
green card from that. So you're asking very wealthy, high
income people who could probably get a citizenship the long way,
very very easily, by saying we're going to short term
it by this parole program that I don't really have
legal authority too, So you're going to be in the
(08:41):
gray zone for quite a bit of time while we
sell this in courts. I don't think a lot of
wealthy individuals unless they are sponsored by governments. Which he
did not sit there and say if he's against or for.
He was saying, anyone could qualify Russian, Holi Arts, the Chinese, everybody,
And why the EB five ye's that you cannot be
You cannot be sponsored by foreign country. You have to
have the cash yourself. That doesn't make any sense, Like
(09:04):
there's no there is no way to sit there and
get and get these kinds of people in if they
are being going to be okay, being in a gray
legal authority for a year or possibly his entire four
year term.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
What do you like about what Trump is doing so
far on immigration policy? Ryan, Let's take his let's take
this to a happy place for him.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It is now listen, I agree o listen the mass deportations.
I like him. I hope they go out faster. I think, listen,
if Trump gets the birthright citizenship case in his favor
and he ends birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, I don't
care if he sleeps for the next four years. I
don't care what he does. He will be one of
the greatest presidents and most consequential, not only of my lifetime,
(09:45):
of the last century. This is one of the worst
things that's going on in our country and hasn't for
a long time. It's amazing that he's taking this huge, huge,
huge gamble on this as part of his early earliness agenda.
That is great. But the problem with Trump with this
EB five, like with the Gazzle Ship thing, is in
his head he's always kind of making a resort. So, yeah,
(10:06):
you're going to make a resort in Gaza. You're going
to sit there and make American to a resort. You
just have to pay, you know, five million dollars by
the pool and get a martini serve to you. That
is the fundamental issue. So you can have Howard Lutnick,
who's former Caunter Fitzgerald CEO, billionaire donor brain who sees
America as a transactional proposition you have an issue. I
(10:26):
believe America is for people who invested in this country,
not for five million dollars, but for generations and build
this country.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
And there is okay, So.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Let me ask you that we agree with a lot
of this stuff. Let me ask you this, what policies
have you heard from a Republican or Democrat that are
logical and makes sense, that would you that would make
sense to get rid of some part of our thirty
six trillion dollar debt. Because here's my concern, Ryan, I
think of everything out there right now, to the extent
(10:59):
that I am concerned about things for the next one
hundred years, long after everybody listening now is gone. I
think our national debt is the biggest threat that America
faces because the more and more it grows, the less
we can allow the country to flourish, and the more
foreign nations can have entanglements because they own a substantial
(11:20):
portion of our debt.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So what have you seen? I'm just curious this.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
The reason I like this policy is Trump's got a
conversation going about trying to address it in a new way.
What have you heard or seen and you think, hey,
this does make sense? Because I do bet you agree.
The national debt is a huge mess.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's a huge, huge problem and does in doge and
coins and goal visas are not going to solve the
problem of Congress not doing the work. You have to
have Medicare, Medicaid and social security reform. You have to
have reformed the Department of Defense. You have to stop
policing the world. That is first and foremost. I think
we should still be suing government of China for COVID.
(11:58):
I think we should absolutely lutely be suing for what
they did to our nation during COVID and the break
of the debt that we did then. And I've heard
things about minting a trillion dollar chip and sitting there
and using that to pay off the debt. I've heard
a lot of different things. But Congress has to stop
spending like drunken sailors. Nothing that Elon Musk or a
goal visa or anybody else will do as long as
(12:19):
Congress is there and spends us into oblivion. We have
to stop letting Congresses endlessly sit there and just spend money, money,
good money, chasing bad projects. Has to stop.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Ryan Gerdusky, everybody play anything else? We good?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
All right?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
No? I mean he's totally wrong on this. Congratulations on
the baby. By the way, do you have any tips
for Buck on fatherhood as Buck will soon be a
father in the next like six eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You everything that you say, a lot of your selfish,
selfish needs all go out the window and you will
lose the whole joke. If you'll lose sleep is not
a joke. You will just go days without sleeping like
you think you will. So, but good luck. I mean
it's great, it is great, but it is there is
no sleep. I mean there's just no sleep.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
For a lot of sunshine and rainbows. For mister Gerarduski
today on the radio.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Show, I'm in one of those sleep modes.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Go check out the It's a Numbers Game podcast on
the Clay end Buck Network and subscribe to Ryan Substack,
the National Populace newsletter. Mister Gradski, go get some sleep.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Thank you.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, and appreciate
Ryan Gardusky coming on. What I give credit to Trump
for is creating new ideas. And I had never heard
anybody talk about five million dollar golden ticket. Now what
Ryan and I started talking off about, I think is
the key here. What is the total addressable market? How
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many people are able to pay that worldwide? And how
much money could that put into the United States Treasury
to help pay down our debt. That is the question
that I would love to have the answer for because
obviously the bigger that audience is, the better that product
could sell. It doesn't matter what product you sell. The
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TAM the total addressable market for a product is, to
a large extent, what will allow you to build or
not build a business. For instance, we have Crockett coffee.
Seventy percent of people drink coffee. If you are a
coffee drinker, then you should, in my opinion, be consuming
our product. But there's thirty per cent of people that
(16:00):
hate coffee. It's going to be really hard for us
to sell to buck or don't drink it. That's a
product that's not addressable to them. So Crocketcoffee dot com,
we love you. The total addressable market for this show,
this radio show, probably seventy five percent of Americans. If
you're anything other than a far left wing crazy person,
I think you could listen to this show and say, hey,
(16:21):
I don't agree with everything those guys say. But seventy
five percent of the American population I think would listen
and agree with a lot of what we say.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
That's a big market.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes, just listen to us on the radio because we're
so handsome, which you won't know if you're just listening.
So how could you say that I'm wrong?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
How about that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We're incredibly good looking For radio guys, humbly speaking, radio
guys tend to be really ugly, and so as the
radio contingent goes, we are incredibly good looking. That is,
I will be honest, compared to the average radio guy,
we are supermodels. And that's not an endorsement of us.
(17:00):
It's just really more of an attack on the average
radio guy out there.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't know why we got to throw radio under
the bus like that. There's been some there's handsome. There's
handsome radio guys out there. There's plenty of them, there's
very few. It's TV where you tend to be good looking.
It is writing where you're really tend to be heinous,
and then there is radio, where you're a little bit
in between the two. You ever sports writers sports writers,
(17:26):
and I say I was impressed with the with the
sports writer brigades. I've seen at those SEC games. Those
guys they like their they like their foot long sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
You know what I mean. It's the sports writing community.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If you ever walk into a press box, is the ugliest,
most decrepit collection of media anywhere on the planet. I'll
be honest with you. It makes like a CNN waiting room.
Seem like you're you're at Miss America. Not a good
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Speaker 4 (18:43):
Here.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Scott Jennings has risen to conservative commentary prominence through being
especially adept at taking on not one, not two, sometimes three, four,
I don't even know, maybe five CNN libs at once. Yes,
it's a it's a it's an excellent thing to watch.
It's like a tight rope walk. It's stepping into the
(19:08):
the you know, the lion's cage, as the lion tamer,
all all that good stuff. I mean, what he's doing
is really entertaining and he deserves the credit that he's
getting for always handling it well, handling it in a gentlemanly
fashioned because the Libs they fight, they fight dirty, and
they say mean nasty things and they always want to
get a a rise out of you. But he's doing
(19:29):
a great job. But this was an interesting exchange that
he had with a fellow that I only know his
his name is Terrey, so kind of like Pele or
Madonna or Ronaldo, like one name only, which is to.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Be really really famous, to decide you only go by
one name, I'll just point out, like it's really aggressive
move when no one has any idea who you are
to try to become a one name person.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I would agree with that, and I'd say, this gentleman
who who used to be on an MSNBC panel show
years ago that did not last I think we should
know what his last name is.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Irrespective of that, Scott Jennings made short work of his arguments.
This is how it went. Sit back, relax, enjoy cut twelve.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Can it be real for a moment that DOGE is
not about cutting money right, It's not about spending. It's
about shrinking government so that it'll be too small to
stop Trump with whatever else is in this plan.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Why would the government why would the government stop Trump?
Is any the head of the government. You're saying the
government would be too small to stop Trump. If Trump's
the president, why would the government the bureaucracy be actively
trying to.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Stop him because they were constitution and creating on authoritarian dictatorship.
That's wild, okay.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
And you're suggesting ership the concept that the military should
be an independent agency, or that the bureaucracy should resist
the political leadership of this government is extraordinarily dangerous.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's literally not what we said.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm just repeating, Thank you your.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I thought it was interesting, Clay, because mister Terrey said
something that is very much a belief of the Democrats,
but they generally don't say it out loud, which is,
we control the government even when we don't control the government.
That's the way this game is played. Trump wins, it
doesn't matter the government's there to stop him from running
the government. This is really a central thesis of this
(21:25):
moment for the Trump administration, which is that's not allowed
to be the case anymore because it's not supposed to
constitutionally be the case.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It was interesting when we were up for the inauguration,
we went out to dinner or lunch, I think it
was with one of your friends who is still working
inside of the federal government, and we just kind of
had a generalize conversation about the fact that many of
these federal employees they believe that they are going to
(21:53):
outlast by far any administration, and so they just have
to kind of put their head down, mucket up as
best they can for four years until somebody else they
like more comes back in. And that, really, I think
is the game plan of government employees by and large,
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who were overwhelmingly indexed in DC. Did you see the
video of the woman buck who was saying when Elon
Musk asked me to write five things that I did,
I suddenly knew, and I'm paraphrasing her what it was
like to live in North Korea. And my thought is,
and I know many of you out there will recognize this,
(22:34):
pay attention to what MSNBC and CNN are doing. They
are covering any federal worker who loses his or her
job as if they are incredible victims.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I have been.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I bet a huge percentage, just to be a good test,
what percentage of our audience. Buck, do you think has
been fired from a job at some point in your
life whenever you got your first job starting at sixteen,
until you work, let's say you work till you're sixty five.
I would bet well over half of the average American
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has been at a company. Certainly if you're in the
private sector where you got it's happened to me.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Are we making a distinction?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Are we making a distinction between fired and downsized or
let go or fire?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
No, I'm saying like you are just adding him a job,
and for some reason your job doesn't exist anymore. It
could be that you have done something in there, like
you got to go. That's traditional firing, but also the
company downsizes. I've been fired, I've been let go. I
guess is a youphemism that could apply there?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I be.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I tend to have been in a position where I've
had to leave places under duress as the walls were
caving in and the place was on fire, and just
made it out kind of like kind of like Indiana
Jones when the boulders rolling toward him. So I've been
chased out of a couple of places, but haven't technically
been given the bike. But if I had stayed around longer,
it would I would have been toast. I've been fired
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multiple times and let go. However you want to classify
it not as a result, well, once as a result
of my bad Come.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
On, come on, Clay, Come on, Clay. I got fired.
I got fired from Abercrombie and Fitch. Remember when I
said I worked there when I was in When I
was in college, I was supposed to call in this
is the pre Internet to a large extent, every like
Saturday night and find out what time I was supposed
(24:29):
to show up on Sunday. I didn't have a cell
phone until two thousand whatever, two thousand and one, and
so sometimes I would call in on Sunday morning, maybe
after having had a fun night out on Saturday night,
and they would be like, yeah, you were supposed to
be here an hour ago. And the final straw was
I got football tickets to go watch the Redskins, and
(24:51):
I was like, eh, you know, this job is not
necessarily a job that I love. And so I called
in And that's the only time I think I've ever
been fired for I'm a job for like them being
angry at me. But I will tell this, so that's
kind of a little bit funny. I will tell you
this though, when two thousand and eleven, twenty twelve, the
(25:14):
reason I started out kick was because I got let
go along with everybody else that was writing at a
sports website, and dead Spin was right before FanHouse. Dead
Spin now doesn't exist, but I left dead Spin FanHouse.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I loved it Buck. It was a huge site.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
They had probably one hundred and fifty employees, and I
went in I guess it was early in two thousand,
twenty eleven. Early in twenty eleven, I went in, turned
my phone off to go talk on a panel about
the future of sports media in the Tennessee Titan Stadium.
When I turned my phone back on Buck, all of
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us have been fired, the entire company, but as they
had sold the site to somebody else, and they said,
we already have our employees. You're gonna get paid. I
think I got paid through like March, and that's when
I ended up starting out kick because I decided then
and there I didn't want my family's future to be
determined by some bean counter that I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I was working my ass off. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
My point on this is it sucks, and I bet
a huge percentage of you have dealt with this at
a company where you're working your ass off, you're doing
everything you can, and then through no faults of your own,
the rug just gets completely pulled out from you can.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Be your feet.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You can be subject to just market conditions in our industry,
and it's painful and it feels and it is unfair, right,
I mean, that's the we can say about We can
talk about things being unfair. It does feel, because it
is I think unfair when you lose your job and
you've done nothing wrong. But I think what you were
getting toward before is what I call the forever job mentality,
(26:57):
which is when you go to the federal government, you
have a forever job. And that has been that has
been rattled right now in a way that they are
absolutely not used to.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And there are people who.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Clearly think that while they work in the executive branch,
they don't work for the executive branch. How does that work?
So Congress funds positions, but the people in those positions
can't be fired. That's not a job. I mean, that's
like a tenured professorship. Like this is a third So
(27:31):
this is why. And there have been some people who
have been fired and courts have upheld that, I might add,
and there's a lot of it's tough to keep up
with them. There's a lot of court battles going on
right now where people are trying to stop there's a
jurisdiction shopping going on, these universal injunctions coming down from
a random federal judge. They're doing everything they can to
(27:52):
slow down what Trump is doing here with the cuts.
Can I just take something here for one second, Clay
for everybody. Yeah, remember how I sat at the top
of the show and I was just being honest that
the Epstein thing was not going to be interesting, particularly
and there's a lot of fanfare and there's a lot
of people talking about it. Representative Anna Polina Luna, who's
(28:12):
part of the Congressional task force to look into this.
This is what she just tweeted out from her account
shared from her account. I know the task force were
given or review the Epstein documents being released today and
a New York Post story just revealed the documents are
simply Epstein's phone book. This is not what we or
the American people ask for. A complete disappointment. I'm just
(28:33):
you know, I sit here and I tell you guys
how it's going to be, and I'm right.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm not saying you disagree with me, Clay, I just
mean in general, a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Oh, this is going to be the bombshell. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
If it was going to be the bombshell, trust me,
we would have known in advance what was going to
be in the bombshell. They're not just going to release
it to a few people who went to the White House.
I'm not saying this isn't important to get out there
as part of the more public record. But I trust
Anna Polina Luna when she tells us this is a
nothing burgers. When I told that and people got mad
at me, why do you think it's going to be
(29:03):
a nothing burger?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Because I know I will say.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
There's a letter that has just been written by Pam Bondi,
and she says that the New York FBI Field Office
is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'm reading from her letter that just went alive.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Despite my repeated request, the FBI never disclosed the existence
of these files.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
By eight am tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
She is saying, the FBI will deliver the full and
complete Epstein files to her office, records, documents, audio video recordings,
materials related to him and his clients, regardless of how
such information was obtained. There will be no withholding or
limitation to my or your access. This is a letter
directed to Cash Bettel. The Department of Justice will ensure
(30:01):
that this disclosure is done. So she has now charged
Cash Pateel with ensuring that the FBI New York office
turns over thousands of pages of additional documents. But so
that just happened so far. What was released today not not.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Important, yes, not news, As I said that maybe now see,
I will tell you on the other side, there might
be some interesting stuff in those FBI files in New
York is clearly the FBI did not want those to
get out.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
That could be interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But the stuff today is essentially already just public record
from the court transcripts and from the court documents that
has now been put out there once again.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Just just calling balls and strikes here. I want to
get to the bottom of this. I want we need
to know what happened here. There's so much that stinks
to high Heaven about the way that government handled the
Epstein stuff. You know, what he did, monstrous criminal evil,
all that the government let him get away with it
for a very long time, a very long time.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I still feel like he was an intelligence asset. I
feel like that's the part of this story that we're
not getting. None of it makes sense our intelligence asset
if somebody else's intelligen. Yeah, And to your point, the
story here is still what happened to all those documents
that the FBI could have gotten and then suddenly they vanished.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Who keeps video tapes.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
In a safe which is hidden in a wall in
their home unless there's something really important on those tapes?
Hmm seems weird to me, right. Who also keeps surveillance
equipment all over their house so that they have video
of what's going on, particularly in the bedrooms of the house,
and then keeps those tapes in a locked safe that
(31:49):
the FBI gets.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And does not want.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's very strange.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'll give you another very strange thing. Who dies in
a supposedly very secure prison where it's supposed to be impossible.
The only person who have ever committed suicide in the
MCC Ever, and when they came to look at the
video of what exactly happened, the video wasn't recording. That's
(32:16):
what happened. When Epstein supposedly killed himself. Clay, one of
the guards was asleep, or maybe they were both asleep.
That guards fell asleep, and the cameras, Yes, that seems
seems suspect. They went to sleep at the exact time
that he killed himself, and the cameras happened to not
be working at the exact time he killed himself. I'm
(32:39):
just saying that would not add up. That wouldn't That
wouldn't even pass plot points in a decent movie.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
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Speaker 4 (34:10):
Sometimes all you.
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Can do is laugh, and they do a lot of
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Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are powering
through Thursday edition of the program. We mentioned earlier trust
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in media had hit an all time low, but that
we are dealing with a really interesting time where people
that I didn't anticipate as being big Trump supporters continue
to come out and illustrate Buck that the vibe shift
is real. The latest did you see this? Floyd Mayweather
(34:59):
maybe the great this pound for pound boxer in modern memory,
that is in the twenty first century.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I don't think he ever lost a fight.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He went on Fox Business yesterday and he said, Donald
Trump's the best president we've ever had. Listen to this.
I will pull it up in a sec. It's on
the list, But Buck, while I pull that up so
we can play it for everybody. The actual fact that
we're getting so many people who may not necessarily have
(35:28):
been particularly political in the past is I think just
indicative of the overall crazy vibe shift that we have seen.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
It's cut seventeen guys.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
I'm happy, but we're never happy. Well we had we
had Trump before, we didn't appreciate him. But I think
Trump is a great president, one of the Actually, he's
the best president. In my eyes, he's the best president
we ever had, great business of great businessman, and that's
what it's about. Trump has doing an amazing job. And
(36:02):
a lot of people on America are upset. But no
matter who goes in the White House, we're always upset, right,
And I think Trump is the man for the job.
He's the best president in my eyes.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
There you go, buck the list of people that are
jumping on the Trump train of a variety of backgrounds, white, Black, Asian,
Hispanic continues to grow. Sports in particular seems to be
represented in a high level. Be back with you tomorrow,
have great Thursdays. We'll close out the week with you tomorrow.
Ard our Clay and Buck kicks off now, and our
friend Ryan Gerdusky joins us. He's got the podcast It's
a numbers game. And the Clay and Buck network also
writes a fantastic substack which you should subscribe to. Speaking
of a substack, here's the latest. Trump's gold visa is
bad policy. I saw this in my inbox this morning
(00:22):
and I talked to Ryan. I said, you know, Ryan,
there's somebody that I know quite well who thinks it
is not bad policy, who is very excited about this.
And I want to just let you two step into
the thunderdome over it and I get to just eat
the popcorn and watch. Clay says that you could. You
should just exactly what you think about this policy. You
will not hurt his feelings. Clay's is not a not
(00:46):
a thin skinned individual when it comes to the gold
card policy. So take me through your argument here, because
I to be fair yesterday I said, you know, I
don't love it. I don't hate it. I see some
problems with it. Clay thinks, amazing, you think not a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Why so the policy that Trump's ceran says, first of all, one,
there's legality problems. Right, the president does not have the
power to create a new green card process all on
his own, So how does he sit there and offer
a green card process. It would be through some kind
of wrangling that Biden had with illegal immigrants to basically
offer them a pathway into the country legally illegally but
(01:25):
have a five million dollar hold. It doesn't really make sense,
and it's not something that a lot of wealthy individuals
would do because there's a lot of legality problems. That's
first of all. Secondly, he says it's to replace the
EB five visa. The president does not have the ability
to end visas on his own. That's another problem with it.
The EB five visa, which is what people are comparing
this to, is a visa that if wealthy people can
(01:47):
invest eight hundred thousand to one million dollars in this
country and higher Americans in low income areas ten Americans
and low income areas, they can get an E five viasa,
a green cart and citizenship on like a seven year process,
a fast track the citizenship. But it's eight hundred thousand
to one million dollars. In low income areas, they can't
(02:09):
have visas. H one B or H two B visas.
It has to be ten American citizens over that time period.
A lot of problems with the system, tons of fraud.
You know, it's a big, big thing. Like Chuck Schumer
loves it because he was able to get a lot
of projects on Manhattan, which is not a low income area,
but they would drew districts into Central Park anyway. Lots
(02:30):
of fraud, lots of problems, lots of issues. So in
his statement, Trump and the Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick,
sit there and say, the problem with the EB five
visa is there's too many regulations on it. We want
an easy five million dollars you get in the country
one two three with the promise that they'll bring jobs. Well,
if there's no strings attached, well then there's no problems
(02:51):
that they're going to bring jobs. It's only going to
hire Americans. They could just create an LLC in Delaware
said they made a business. It doesn't really matter. Okay,
let's say he does and he's promising up to the
Lutinx those two hundred and fifty thousand people, which is
a one point two five trillion dollar payouts in the
American government for Trump says it could be ten million
through fifty trillion. First of all, there are not ten
(03:13):
million people in the world that have five million dollars
of easy capital. So the only way that they get
ten million people is if you have foreign government sponsoring people,
which is problematic from.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
What Let me let me pause you here for a
sec because I did I like this policy, but I'm
not going to get into the back and forth right now,
because I do think one of the questions that I
had that was most significant is what a lot of
people would call a total total addressable market. That is
buck and eyword debating Ryan, how many people actually have
(03:44):
five million dollars liquid?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That is, you could stroke a check four five million dollars.
You're saying there's only ten million, Like, where does that
number come from?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
According to according to the Helleni Partners, right, this is
a rapport from twenty twenty four. Of the wealthy people
in the world, sixteen million people have five million dollars
at least thirty Because if you have five million dollars,
a lot of it's tied up into your property, into
your thisa So that's.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Why so cut you off.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's why we said yesterday and a lot of people
kind of push back that there's a difference between having
a house that's valuable and being a millionaire and being
able to write a check with one million dollars liquid.
What I asked, and I think this is important, sorry
to cut you off, is five million dollars. This basically
means if you wanted to buy a painting, right you're
at a fabulous event, you could just stroke a check
(04:33):
five million dollars and that cash would be out in
a week or whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It is.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Right, how many people can actually do that is in
some respect the total addressable market.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right. The Kabenighi Research Institute put out a say, this
is only two point six million people worldwide have that
kind of money, and a third of them already live
in the United States. So you're talking about maybe one
point eight million people globally have that kind of money.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
That that's low to me, but that is if that
is accurate, then it would suggest the high end of
this policy best case scenario is not actually very high.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's not very very high to begin with. And let's
say they were to get a million people and get
five trillion dollars into the government's hands. Five trillion dollars
is what we spend on the deficit every two years.
We could the Congress could piss away this money shorter
than you could have Irish twins. That's how quickly we're
(05:30):
spending money.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I get it, Ryan, But wouldn't it be a good
thing if it were possible to say, for every single
dollar we bring in, in the event that there is
a market for this, everything goes to paying down the debt.
It doesn't go anywhere else. In other words, I get
your argument. Five trillion on a thirty six trillion dollar
national debt is not a massive difference, but it's better
(05:53):
than nothing, right and right now.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
My argument, yeah, I agree with you, But the problem is,
I'm not talking to debt. I'm just talking the deficit.
I'm talking what we will accumulate if we put it
to the debt that will be back in twenty twenty seven. Like, yeah,
I would agree with you. Hut, if we were deficit neutral,
I would one hundred percent agree with you. That's a
(06:16):
great way of paying down the debt. We're not deficit neutral.
We run a two trillion dollar debt. That's the problem. Sorry,
two trillion dollar deficit every year, so that deficit is
going to replace this entire thing for a million people
plus their family members, which is a larger population that
decided the last three presidential elections. So they will have
(06:39):
a right to vote within five years. This is what
Trump's saying, fast track the citizenship, right to vote anywhere.
He's saying China can apply for it, Russian oligus can
buy for it. Anyone can have been a lot in
the family could apply for it. Anyone can apply with it.
This so they have five million in cash, they could
apply for this gold card visa, get citizenship in a
five year period and be voting before JD. Evans is
(07:00):
running in twenty twenty eight. That is what Trump is
offering these people. This is and four by the way,
something that will not last toward the end of his
entire first term.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
We can I ask, can I ask a question right
about that? Do we understand what the legality of this
would be in terms of you know a lot of stuff,
Clay and I think I've seen this with some of
the big executive orders and everything. So far it's going
to go to the courts, right, We knew the Anchor
baby thing going to the courts. We know someone is
going to the courts. How would the president be able
to do this without congressional action or would he need
(07:34):
congressional action?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It seems to me he would.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah. So the EB five is that we give out
ten thousand a year. That's it. So he's basically saying,
we're going to increase the EB four. We're going to
replace the EB five. Ye is that increase all the
numbers and increase the caps beyond the congressional limit. He
doesn't have that authority at all, so that would be
immediately in the courts. What he would do is do
a parole authority, which is what Biden was doing and
(07:59):
Obama is doing to allow all these illegal aliens. And
parole was a presidential power for people who were like
their parents were dying in the United States and they
wanted to fly out but they didn't have a correct visa.
A president would parole a single person, and then under
ob Obama started parolling millions of people, and Biden even
exacerbated the issue. Trump's been very against parole authority during
(08:20):
his first term and during a second. That's really his
only loophole. But there's not a legality into getting a
green card from that. So you're asking very wealthy, high
income people who could probably get a citizenship the long way,
very very easily, by saying we're going to short term
it by this parole program that I don't really have
legal authority too, So you're going to be in the
(08:41):
gray zone for quite a bit of time while we
sell this in courts. I don't think a lot of
wealthy individuals unless they are sponsored by governments. Which he
did not sit there and say if he's against or for.
He was saying, anyone could qualify Russian, Holi Arts, the Chinese, everybody,
And why the EB five ye's that you cannot be
You cannot be sponsored by foreign country. You have to
have the cash yourself. That doesn't make any sense, Like
(09:04):
there's no there is no way to sit there and
get and get these kinds of people in if they
are being going to be okay, being in a gray
legal authority for a year or possibly his entire four
year term.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
What do you like about what Trump is doing so
far on immigration policy? Ryan, Let's take his let's take
this to a happy place for him.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It is now listen, I agree o listen the mass deportations.
I like him. I hope they go out faster. I think, listen,
if Trump gets the birthright citizenship case in his favor
and he ends birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, I don't
care if he sleeps for the next four years. I
don't care what he does. He will be one of
the greatest presidents and most consequential, not only of my lifetime,
(09:45):
of the last century. This is one of the worst
things that's going on in our country and hasn't for
a long time. It's amazing that he's taking this huge, huge,
huge gamble on this as part of his early earliness agenda.
That is great. But the problem with Trump with this
EB five, like with the Gazzle Ship thing, is in
his head he's always kind of making a resort. So, yeah,
(10:06):
you're going to make a resort in Gaza. You're going
to sit there and make American to a resort. You
just have to pay, you know, five million dollars by
the pool and get a martini serve to you. That
is the fundamental issue. So you can have Howard Lutnick,
who's former Caunter Fitzgerald CEO, billionaire donor brain who sees
America as a transactional proposition you have an issue. I
(10:26):
believe America is for people who invested in this country,
not for five million dollars, but for generations and build
this country.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
And there is okay, So.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Let me ask you that we agree with a lot
of this stuff. Let me ask you this, what policies
have you heard from a Republican or Democrat that are
logical and makes sense, that would you that would make
sense to get rid of some part of our thirty
six trillion dollar debt. Because here's my concern, Ryan, I
think of everything out there right now, to the extent
(10:59):
that I am concerned about things for the next one
hundred years, long after everybody listening now is gone. I
think our national debt is the biggest threat that America
faces because the more and more it grows, the less
we can allow the country to flourish, and the more
foreign nations can have entanglements because they own a substantial
(11:20):
portion of our debt.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So what have you seen? I'm just curious this.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
The reason I like this policy is Trump's got a
conversation going about trying to address it in a new way.
What have you heard or seen and you think, hey,
this does make sense? Because I do bet you agree.
The national debt is a huge mess.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's a huge, huge problem and does in doge and
coins and goal visas are not going to solve the
problem of Congress not doing the work. You have to
have Medicare, Medicaid and social security reform. You have to
have reformed the Department of Defense. You have to stop
policing the world. That is first and foremost. I think
we should still be suing government of China for COVID.
(11:58):
I think we should absolutely lutely be suing for what
they did to our nation during COVID and the break
of the debt that we did then. And I've heard
things about minting a trillion dollar chip and sitting there
and using that to pay off the debt. I've heard
a lot of different things. But Congress has to stop
spending like drunken sailors. Nothing that Elon Musk or a
goal visa or anybody else will do as long as
(12:19):
Congress is there and spends us into oblivion. We have
to stop letting Congresses endlessly sit there and just spend money, money,
good money, chasing bad projects. Has to stop.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Ryan Gerdusky, everybody play anything else? We good?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
All right?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
No? I mean he's totally wrong on this. Congratulations on
the baby. By the way, do you have any tips
for Buck on fatherhood as Buck will soon be a
father in the next like six eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You everything that you say, a lot of your selfish,
selfish needs all go out the window and you will
lose the whole joke. If you'll lose sleep is not
a joke. You will just go days without sleeping like
you think you will. So, but good luck. I mean
it's great, it is great, but it is there is
no sleep. I mean there's just no sleep.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
For a lot of sunshine and rainbows. For mister Gerarduski
today on the radio.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Show, I'm in one of those sleep modes.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Go check out the It's a Numbers Game podcast on
the Clay end Buck Network and subscribe to Ryan Substack,
the National Populace newsletter. Mister Gradski, go get some sleep.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Thank you.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, and appreciate
Ryan Gardusky coming on. What I give credit to Trump
for is creating new ideas. And I had never heard
anybody talk about five million dollar golden ticket. Now what
Ryan and I started talking off about, I think is
the key here. What is the total addressable market? How
(15:20):
many people are able to pay that worldwide? And how
much money could that put into the United States Treasury
to help pay down our debt. That is the question
that I would love to have the answer for because
obviously the bigger that audience is, the better that product
could sell. It doesn't matter what product you sell. The
(15:40):
TAM the total addressable market for a product is, to
a large extent, what will allow you to build or
not build a business. For instance, we have Crockett coffee.
Seventy percent of people drink coffee. If you are a
coffee drinker, then you should, in my opinion, be consuming
our product. But there's thirty per cent of people that
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you're anything other than a far left wing crazy person,
I think you could listen to this show and say, hey,
(16:21):
I don't agree with everything those guys say. But seventy
five percent of the American population I think would listen
and agree with a lot of what we say.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
That's a big market.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes, just listen to us on the radio because we're
so handsome, which you won't know if you're just listening.
So how could you say that I'm wrong?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
How about that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We're incredibly good looking For radio guys, humbly speaking, radio
guys tend to be really ugly, and so as the
radio contingent goes, we are incredibly good looking. That is,
I will be honest, compared to the average radio guy,
we are supermodels. And that's not an endorsement of us.
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It's just really more of an attack on the average
radio guy out there.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I don't know why we got to throw radio under
the bus like that. There's been some there's handsome. There's
handsome radio guys out there. There's plenty of them, there's
very few. It's TV where you tend to be good looking.
It is writing where you're really tend to be heinous,
and then there is radio, where you're a little bit
in between the two. You ever sports writers sports writers,
(17:26):
and I say I was impressed with the with the
sports writer brigades. I've seen at those SEC games. Those
guys they like their they like their foot long sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
You know what I mean. It's the sports writing community.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If you ever walk into a press box, is the ugliest,
most decrepit collection of media anywhere on the planet. I'll
be honest with you. It makes like a CNN waiting room.
Seem like you're you're at Miss America. Not a good
look at collection the dudes. Speaking of sports, we got
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Speaker 4 (18:43):
Here.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Scott Jennings has risen to conservative commentary prominence through being
especially adept at taking on not one, not two, sometimes three, four,
I don't even know, maybe five CNN libs at once. Yes,
it's a it's a it's an excellent thing to watch.
It's like a tight rope walk. It's stepping into the
(19:08):
the you know, the lion's cage, as the lion tamer,
all all that good stuff. I mean, what he's doing
is really entertaining and he deserves the credit that he's
getting for always handling it well, handling it in a gentlemanly
fashioned because the Libs they fight, they fight dirty, and
they say mean nasty things and they always want to
get a a rise out of you. But he's doing
(19:29):
a great job. But this was an interesting exchange that
he had with a fellow that I only know his
his name is Terrey, so kind of like Pele or
Madonna or Ronaldo, like one name only, which is to.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Be really really famous, to decide you only go by
one name, I'll just point out, like it's really aggressive
move when no one has any idea who you are
to try to become a one name person.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I would agree with that, and I'd say, this gentleman
who who used to be on an MSNBC panel show
years ago that did not last I think we should
know what his last name is.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Irrespective of that, Scott Jennings made short work of his arguments.
This is how it went. Sit back, relax, enjoy cut twelve.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Can it be real for a moment that DOGE is
not about cutting money right, It's not about spending. It's
about shrinking government so that it'll be too small to
stop Trump with whatever else is in this plan.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Why would the government why would the government stop Trump?
Is any the head of the government. You're saying the
government would be too small to stop Trump. If Trump's
the president, why would the government the bureaucracy be actively
trying to.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Stop him because they were constitution and creating on authoritarian dictatorship.
That's wild, okay.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
And you're suggesting ership the concept that the military should
be an independent agency, or that the bureaucracy should resist
the political leadership of this government is extraordinarily dangerous.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's literally not what we said.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm just repeating, Thank you your.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I thought it was interesting, Clay, because mister Terrey said
something that is very much a belief of the Democrats,
but they generally don't say it out loud, which is,
we control the government even when we don't control the government.
That's the way this game is played. Trump wins, it
doesn't matter the government's there to stop him from running
the government. This is really a central thesis of this
(21:25):
moment for the Trump administration, which is that's not allowed
to be the case anymore because it's not supposed to
constitutionally be the case.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
It was interesting when we were up for the inauguration,
we went out to dinner or lunch, I think it
was with one of your friends who is still working
inside of the federal government, and we just kind of
had a generalize conversation about the fact that many of
these federal employees they believe that they are going to
(21:53):
outlast by far any administration, and so they just have
to kind of put their head down, mucket up as
best they can for four years until somebody else they
like more comes back in. And that, really, I think
is the game plan of government employees by and large,
(22:14):
who were overwhelmingly indexed in DC. Did you see the
video of the woman buck who was saying when Elon
Musk asked me to write five things that I did,
I suddenly knew, and I'm paraphrasing her what it was
like to live in North Korea. And my thought is,
and I know many of you out there will recognize this,
(22:34):
pay attention to what MSNBC and CNN are doing. They
are covering any federal worker who loses his or her
job as if they are incredible victims.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I have been.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I bet a huge percentage, just to be a good test,
what percentage of our audience. Buck, do you think has
been fired from a job at some point in your
life whenever you got your first job starting at sixteen,
until you work, let's say you work till you're sixty five.
I would bet well over half of the average American
(23:07):
has been at a company. Certainly if you're in the
private sector where you got it's happened to me.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Are we making a distinction?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Are we making a distinction between fired and downsized or
let go or fire?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
No, I'm saying like you are just adding him a job,
and for some reason your job doesn't exist anymore. It
could be that you have done something in there, like
you got to go. That's traditional firing, but also the
company downsizes. I've been fired, I've been let go. I
guess is a youphemism that could apply there?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I be.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I tend to have been in a position where I've
had to leave places under duress as the walls were
caving in and the place was on fire, and just
made it out kind of like kind of like Indiana
Jones when the boulders rolling toward him. So I've been
chased out of a couple of places, but haven't technically
been given the bike. But if I had stayed around longer,
it would I would have been toast. I've been fired
(24:00):
multiple times and let go. However you want to classify
it not as a result, well, once as a result
of my bad Come.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
On, come on, Clay, Come on, Clay. I got fired.
I got fired from Abercrombie and Fitch. Remember when I
said I worked there when I was in When I
was in college, I was supposed to call in this
is the pre Internet to a large extent, every like
Saturday night and find out what time I was supposed
(24:29):
to show up on Sunday. I didn't have a cell
phone until two thousand whatever, two thousand and one, and
so sometimes I would call in on Sunday morning, maybe
after having had a fun night out on Saturday night,
and they would be like, yeah, you were supposed to
be here an hour ago. And the final straw was
I got football tickets to go watch the Redskins, and
(24:51):
I was like, eh, you know, this job is not
necessarily a job that I love. And so I called
in And that's the only time I think I've ever
been fired for I'm a job for like them being
angry at me. But I will tell this, so that's
kind of a little bit funny. I will tell you
this though, when two thousand and eleven, twenty twelve, the
(25:14):
reason I started out kick was because I got let
go along with everybody else that was writing at a
sports website, and dead Spin was right before FanHouse. Dead
Spin now doesn't exist, but I left dead Spin FanHouse.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I loved it Buck. It was a huge site.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
They had probably one hundred and fifty employees, and I
went in I guess it was early in two thousand,
twenty eleven. Early in twenty eleven, I went in, turned
my phone off to go talk on a panel about
the future of sports media in the Tennessee Titan Stadium.
When I turned my phone back on Buck, all of
(25:57):
us have been fired, the entire company, but as they
had sold the site to somebody else, and they said,
we already have our employees. You're gonna get paid. I
think I got paid through like March, and that's when
I ended up starting out kick because I decided then
and there I didn't want my family's future to be
determined by some bean counter that I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
I was working my ass off. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
My point on this is it sucks, and I bet
a huge percentage of you have dealt with this at
a company where you're working your ass off, you're doing
everything you can, and then through no faults of your own,
the rug just gets completely pulled out from you can.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Be your feet.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You can be subject to just market conditions in our industry,
and it's painful and it feels and it is unfair, right,
I mean, that's the we can say about We can
talk about things being unfair. It does feel, because it
is I think unfair when you lose your job and
you've done nothing wrong. But I think what you were
getting toward before is what I call the forever job mentality,
(26:57):
which is when you go to the federal government, you
have a forever job. And that has been that has
been rattled right now in a way that they are
absolutely not used to.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And there are people who.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Clearly think that while they work in the executive branch,
they don't work for the executive branch. How does that work?
So Congress funds positions, but the people in those positions
can't be fired. That's not a job. I mean, that's
like a tenured professorship. Like this is a third So
(27:31):
this is why. And there have been some people who
have been fired and courts have upheld that, I might add,
and there's a lot of it's tough to keep up
with them. There's a lot of court battles going on
right now where people are trying to stop there's a
jurisdiction shopping going on, these universal injunctions coming down from
a random federal judge. They're doing everything they can to
(27:52):
slow down what Trump is doing here with the cuts.
Can I just take something here for one second, Clay
for everybody. Yeah, remember how I sat at the top
of the show and I was just being honest that
the Epstein thing was not going to be interesting, particularly
and there's a lot of fanfare and there's a lot
of people talking about it. Representative Anna Polina Luna, who's
(28:12):
part of the Congressional task force to look into this.
This is what she just tweeted out from her account
shared from her account. I know the task force were
given or review the Epstein documents being released today and
a New York Post story just revealed the documents are
simply Epstein's phone book. This is not what we or
the American people ask for. A complete disappointment. I'm just
(28:33):
you know, I sit here and I tell you guys
how it's going to be, and I'm right.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm not saying you disagree with me, Clay, I just
mean in general, a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Oh, this is going to be the bombshell. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
If it was going to be the bombshell, trust me,
we would have known in advance what was going to
be in the bombshell. They're not just going to release
it to a few people who went to the White House.
I'm not saying this isn't important to get out there
as part of the more public record. But I trust
Anna Polina Luna when she tells us this is a
nothing burgers. When I told that and people got mad
at me, why do you think it's going to be
(29:03):
a nothing burger?
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Because I know I will say.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
There's a letter that has just been written by Pam Bondi,
and she says that the New York FBI Field Office
is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'm reading from her letter that just went alive.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Despite my repeated request, the FBI never disclosed the existence
of these files.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
By eight am tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
She is saying, the FBI will deliver the full and
complete Epstein files to her office, records, documents, audio video recordings,
materials related to him and his clients, regardless of how
such information was obtained. There will be no withholding or
limitation to my or your access. This is a letter
directed to Cash Bettel. The Department of Justice will ensure
(30:01):
that this disclosure is done. So she has now charged
Cash Pateel with ensuring that the FBI New York office
turns over thousands of pages of additional documents. But so
that just happened so far. What was released today not not.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Important, yes, not news, As I said that maybe now see,
I will tell you on the other side, there might
be some interesting stuff in those FBI files in New
York is clearly the FBI did not want those to
get out.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
That could be interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But the stuff today is essentially already just public record
from the court transcripts and from the court documents that
has now been put out there once again.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Just just calling balls and strikes here. I want to
get to the bottom of this. I want we need
to know what happened here. There's so much that stinks
to high Heaven about the way that government handled the
Epstein stuff. You know, what he did, monstrous criminal evil,
all that the government let him get away with it
for a very long time, a very long time.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I still feel like he was an intelligence asset. I
feel like that's the part of this story that we're
not getting. None of it makes sense our intelligence asset
if somebody else's intelligen. Yeah, And to your point, the
story here is still what happened to all those documents
that the FBI could have gotten and then suddenly they vanished.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Who keeps video tapes.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
In a safe which is hidden in a wall in
their home unless there's something really important on those tapes?
Hmm seems weird to me, right. Who also keeps surveillance
equipment all over their house so that they have video
of what's going on, particularly in the bedrooms of the house,
and then keeps those tapes in a locked safe that
(31:49):
the FBI gets.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
And does not want.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's very strange.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'll give you another very strange thing. Who dies in
a supposedly very secure prison where it's supposed to be impossible.
The only person who have ever committed suicide in the
MCC Ever, and when they came to look at the
video of what exactly happened, the video wasn't recording. That's
(32:16):
what happened. When Epstein supposedly killed himself. Clay, one of
the guards was asleep, or maybe they were both asleep.
That guards fell asleep, and the cameras, Yes, that seems
seems suspect. They went to sleep at the exact time
that he killed himself, and the cameras happened to not
be working at the exact time he killed himself. I'm
(32:39):
just saying that would not add up. That wouldn't That
wouldn't even pass plot points in a decent movie.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
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also yesterday in New York City, protesters forced their way
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Speaker 4 (34:10):
Sometimes all you.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Can do is laugh, and they do a lot of
it with the Sunday Hang Join Clay and Buck as
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feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are powering
through Thursday edition of the program. We mentioned earlier trust
(34:36):
in media had hit an all time low, but that
we are dealing with a really interesting time where people
that I didn't anticipate as being big Trump supporters continue
to come out and illustrate Buck that the vibe shift
is real. The latest did you see this? Floyd Mayweather
(34:59):
maybe the great this pound for pound boxer in modern memory,
that is in the twenty first century.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I don't think he ever lost a fight.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
He went on Fox Business yesterday and he said, Donald
Trump's the best president we've ever had. Listen to this.
I will pull it up in a sec. It's on
the list, But Buck, while I pull that up so
we can play it for everybody. The actual fact that
we're getting so many people who may not necessarily have
(35:28):
been particularly political in the past is I think just
indicative of the overall crazy vibe shift that we have seen.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
It's cut seventeen guys.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
I'm happy, but we're never happy. Well we had we
had Trump before, we didn't appreciate him. But I think
Trump is a great president, one of the Actually, he's
the best president. In my eyes, he's the best president
we ever had, great business of great businessman, and that's
what it's about. Trump has doing an amazing job. And
(36:02):
a lot of people on America are upset. But no
matter who goes in the White House, we're always upset, right,
And I think Trump is the man for the job.
He's the best president in my eyes.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
There you go, buck the list of people that are
jumping on the Trump train of a variety of backgrounds, white, Black, Asian,
Hispanic continues to grow. Sports in particular seems to be
represented in a high level. Be back with you tomorrow,
have great Thursdays. We'll close out the week with you tomorrow.
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