February 27, 2025 • 58 mins
Next level gaslighting. Five Things email. Ryan Girdusky on Trump's plans. Laurel Libby, ME State Rep, on being censured.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show is starting right now. It's very exciting. Thank
you for being here. And we have so much to discuss.
A press conference yesterday in the White House Tabinet members
and elon their Doge doing its thing, explaining to everybody
(00:21):
that the math makes it clear Doze is not just
a good idea, it is a necessary idea. We shall
discuss that. We have JB. Pritzker with his theory, and
I know a lot of you are going to make
jokes about this about why grocery prices are high, but
(00:43):
we will address that in a little bit. This is
the possible Democrat nominee going forward for them. We'll see
he is the governor of Illinois. We've got bezos and
the Washington Post opinion shift, which we will dive into.
Pam Bondy says that there might be some more. There
(01:04):
might be some Epstein information. Flight logs, et cetera. Released
Scott Jennings giving a free lesson on the Jennings Analysis
bus for CNN. He is letting the kids get on
the school bus, giving them a free ride, explaining how
the government works. Very kind of him. Scott Jennings, very patient, man,
(01:25):
very kind. We've got that just so much going on here.
Pro Luigi Mangioti protest. That is a real sickness that
has taken over some quarters. We shall discuss that our
friend Ryan Gerduski will join us to talk about gold
card citizenship. Clay, he's fired up about it.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
He's fired an entire piece, like furious, like he was
in my mentions, like this is the worst idea. I'm
paraphrasing the worst idea you've ever had. So if you
think that I'm a moron, Ryan is fired up. I
still love the idea, but we'll see how that goes you.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But he does not love five million dollars gold cards
for citizens. So we'll talk to him. He's from the
Clay and Buck podcast network. We'll talk to him later
on about this. But as the media tries to get
its footing. Oh and also the CIA nsa chat log
released by Chris Ruffo with all kinds of grotesque and
absurd and bizarre stuff. There's firings now happening. Tulca Gabbard
(02:23):
is on the issue. She will yes, sir, I know,
I'm just also that's happening. We should tell people it's possible.
The Epstein documents are going to be released today. Pam
Bondi last night on Sean Hannity's show, I believe, said, Hey,
they're coming out today. Will there be any major revelations?
Will anything come from this list?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Buck, you're the want wont guy, wamp womp guy on
all the.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Way to this one, because I can pretty easily it's
just it's just a list of his contacts. We already
know that he has contacts with many of the most
connected and powerful people in the world. We know that
some of them or scummy. But the problem is worse
than scummy, you know what I'm talking about. The problem
is a lot of them will say I just had
lunch with the guy. You already knew that Bill Clinton
flew in his jet. You already knew that that Bill
(03:11):
Gates went to Epstein Island. So unless there's proof just
contact with Epstein, I don't think is going to be
enough because we already know about a lot of very powerful,
rich people who had lots of contact with Epstein. So
I could be wrong, but I think that it is
unlikely there will be any major revelation that comes out
of it. Actually, I mean, I hope I am wrong,
because I always tell people the story of the FBI
(03:34):
showing up in New York City at the Epstein mansion,
which was given to him. How many people give somebody
a seventy million dollars a year. That's quite strange given
to him as a gift, hmm. But the FBI showed
up and searched his entire residence. This is after he
had been arrested at Teterborough Airport and they found in
(03:56):
a safe tapes. And when they found the tapes in
the safe, the FBI said, hold on a second, you
can this is in court transcripts. Hold fbies, hold on,
we don't have the right to seize. We only have
the right to search. We got to come back with
a new warrant in a few days. And does anyone
to guess what happened when they came back to the
Epstein mansion after cracking the safe and finding the surveillance tapes.
(04:21):
The surveillance tapes were gone. Oh the FBI hm surveillance.
They decided not even clay to try to keep tabs
on the tape.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Think those ended? Where do you think all those tapes
truly ended up. Well, the FBI called I believe the
Epstein you know, the Epstein attorneys. He said, hey, do
you guys have.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
These And they go, oh, there's some tapes, but nothing,
nothing important. We'll bring them right back to you. Where
do I think that they went. I mean, who knows.
They either erased whatever was on those tapes, destroyed the tapes,
and replace them with other tapes.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, it's one you think they still exist in
any way?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
No, I think they destroyed them. Yeah, I think they
destroyed them because I think that they're Look, I want
to be very clear. I think that the Epstein thing
is a massive conspiracy and a massive cover up, and
I think it implicates some of the most powerful and
connected people in the world in ways that it is
horrifying to even imagine. Do we have any proof of it?
(05:17):
Though without proof we get nowhere. It's been a long
time for them to cover up the proof. Pambondi is
releasing information as Attorney General. We will see. But I
do not, by any means think that we figured out
even half the story with Epstein so far. So let's
just put that out there. But Clay, do you want
to do you want to do. Do you want to
do fake Tapper first, or you want to do c
(05:39):
I you want to do fake Tapper, Let's do fake Tapper.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I mean, this is tough not to really just gloat over,
but also tell you guys to not not to be
aware of what they're trying to do, because this is
next level gaslighting for Jake Tapper, who's got a book
out to now claim, oh I was is the book
outer or has he announced comes out in May? Comes
(06:02):
out there? Yeah, so it's a little ways out. So
we because otherwise we would get a copy and you know,
we'd thumb through it. Here, here's what's going on everyone.
For those who have worked in media, this is kind
of this has been a long running a long running joke,
and you might have even seen people, some prominent political
analysts last night saying that mister Tapper, who has a
has a long history of doing this to many people,
(06:24):
including me, likes to go into people's dms and hector them,
threaten them, cajole them like a little high school girl
who doesn't like what was written about him, you know,
on a bathroom stall or something. Okay, he is a
little child about this, and people do not appreciate it,
especially throughout the media. But he used to be the
(06:45):
Him and Anderson Cooper were kind of the prime guys
at CNN and the most establishment, and so people didn't
say anything really about it very much because you know,
he had a he had a big megaphone.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Now things have changed. He's still slipping into people's nobody cares,
and he realizes Clay that the old game of oh,
I'm one of the good ones who will speak truth
to power, including to my own side. He also used
to hide behind his ostentatious love of veterans a lot.
I mean, look, I have just gonna be honest with you.
I have no respect for the guy whatsoever. And now
(07:18):
he's trying to pretend like he's a truth teller because
he's part of a book. Now, other people have pointed
out Clay that Alex whatever his name is, what's the
guy's name, the other all co author, Alex Thompson, I think,
has actually done a good job, relatively speaking, covering this.
So Alex Thompson has some street cred on trying to
(07:39):
tell the truth about Biden when it was inconvenient. Telling
the truth about Biden now is nothing. The entire country knows.
People that don't even care about politics have known about
this for months. So Tapper is trying to resurrect Clay.
I think his brand with oh I actually was trying
to tell the truth about Biden here this is cut
one play this.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Thompson of Axios and I have spent the last several
months talking to more than two hundred insiders and officials
and donors and activists more willing to talk post election,
of course, to explain the last couple of years in
politics and how we as a nation got here with
never before heard stories from behind the scenes, you will
(08:19):
not believe what was really going on. You can pre
order the book at original sinbook dot com.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
This is the arsonist putting on a fireman's hat and
saying I'm here to save the day Clay. It's and
no one's. I don't think anyone's buying it. And fake
Tapper is used to pulling one over on a lot
of simpletons. I don't think he's fulling anybody this time.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't even understand how he could think he could
get away with writing this book. Alex Thompson, Okay, well again,
he did a lot of reporting that was inconvenient at
the time. We told all of you that as soon
as the election was over, all of these books, with
all of the he's crazy behind the scenes stories about
(09:02):
Biden's ineptitude, would all come out. So this is very predicted.
You can go back and listen to the transcripts. We've
been telling you that for years. But here is what
Jake Tapper. So Tapper is now trying to claim, Hey,
you know what, I covered Biden's physical and mental decline
aggressively on CNN. No one is buying it. It's probably
(09:25):
not a surprise. I don't know if you saw this buck.
According to Gallop, trust in media has hidden all time low.
That is never in the history since they have been
testing it has there been less trust in the so
called mainstream legacy media. But here is examples of what
(09:46):
Jake Tapper was saying about Joe Biden and any critics
relating to the Joe Biden situation. I believe that's cut too.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And Biden embraces his stutter talking about it well, Trump
mox said, exaggerates it. The littles of he's are physically
I mean mentally, Yeah, I think the question is physically right,
right or.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So right, right, and the guy who's his chief.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Opponent is only three or four years younger than him. Ada,
I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness,
fitness ability to lead of those supporting Biden. You said, quote,
shame on all of you pretending everything is okay. You're
leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry
that you damaged him at all? False claims to the
Wall Street Journal about President Biden's mental fitness and acuity.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
He's eighty one and his memory.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
You know, it doesn't seem great, It's not horrible, But
I don't understand the outrage.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And now he says, oh, I covered this fairly. I mean,
you know this, but I think it's important for everybody
out there to understand there is a level of dishonesty
that is expected when you work at CNN and MSNBC
in order to continue to get the guests on that
you get on that program, and you are not allowed
(10:54):
to be a true truth teller. Now, the truth can
be told because Biden's ability as a politician is done.
In fact, Buck, have you even seen Biden since he
left DC on January twentieth, any story about him in
the last month. I don't even remember seeing anything that
he's done in any kind of public fashion since he
(11:16):
left here White House.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Here's a big part of why the media that is
Democrat aligned. And remember journalists by profession are ninety percent Democrats.
The fifty percent of them who say they're independents are
lying they're Democrats. Okay, it's all Democrats except for the
people who come out and say I'm a conservative. This
is important, Clay, because now the entire opposition to Trump
(11:41):
has to say things like, oh, I don't like what
Trump's doing. And the public, in a very general sense,
not partisans, just anyone who has been paying even the
slightest hint of attention last year, looks at people like
Tapper and seeing then on others and goes, you, guys
lied to us about a president who had dementia years Yes,
(12:01):
why should I listen to you about anything? I mean,
how much more reckless, how much more deceitful could they
be than they already have been? Their credibility is gone
and it's not coming back. And so you'd say, why
would Tapper want to be involved with his book? Because
he realizes there's no lane anymore for the Oh, you know,
(12:24):
I'm part of CNN and we speak the truth. No,
people don't believe it. So now there are going to
be people who try to rebuild by pretending that they're
actually just journalists and truth tellers. All lie they were
part of it. If you didn't speak out on this
before the election, what you say about this now means nothing.
How is it that you and I knew this to
the point where it was like a daily conversation. I
(12:47):
can't believe this guy is even You know that they're
even going for this is insane.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We started years ago debating whether or not they were
going to allow Biden to continue to run, and we
regularly on this played clips that made it clear Biden
wasn't up for the job again, and we also pointed
out these stories have vanished, but it is worth remembering
all of them.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
A lot of Democrats made a huge story about putting
the twenty fifth Amendment into.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Place for Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Remember how aggressive they were in like twenty eighteen and
twenty nineteen on CNN and MSNBC, arguing that the twenty
fifth Amendment should be invoked because Trump wasn't physically and
mentally able to be president of the United States. Remember
how much they covered the way he walked down the
ramp at West Point when it was covered and soaked
(13:41):
and sodden and he was afraid of falling falling. I mean,
the way they covered Trump's physical and mental fitness compared
to Biden was night and day. If you want to argue, hey,
we need to make sure the commander in chief is
one hundred percent in command of his mental and physical faculties.
That's fine, and hold everybody to the same standard. They
(14:02):
treated Trump like he was close to mental instability. Remember
they wanted him to take cognition tests. And then Biden
gets into office, he can barely speak, and they pretend
it's crazy to question anything about him.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And all this time, it would have been so easy,
and I think actually politically smart for them to come
out and tell the truth before the election, before the primary,
before you know, this should have happened at the midterms.
I always thought, Okay, they're going to replace him at
the mid terms with Kamala and now that they've but
but Clay, how much worse would it be. The movie Dave,
(14:38):
which is actually kind of a it's you know, it's
it's lib But the movie Dave is a pretty easy watch,
and it's where the president is replaced by his body double.
How much more dishonest is that than what they than
what they actually did, which is looking at you in
the face while Biden's going beer beer, beer bear and
telling you, oh, he's fine, he's sharp as attack. And
(15:00):
they all did this, and now they want to tell
us that they're truth tellers. They've got to be kidding me.
We'll come back.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But I do think the collapse of the Red Wave
in twenty twenty two, not sweeping the nation, ended up
being the best thing that could have happened, because that's
what persuaded Biden that he should stay in office.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
Let's check in on our friends over at CNN for
a moment.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Here.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Scott Jennings has risen to conservative commentary prominence through being
especially adept at taking on not one, not two, sometimes three, four,
I don't even know, maybe five CNN libs at once.
It's an excellent thing to watch. It's like a tight
(17:02):
rope walk. It's stepping into the the you know, the
lion's cage as the lion tamer, all all that good stuff.
I mean, what he's doing is really entertaining, and he
deserves the credit that he's getting for always handling it well,
handling it in a gentlemanly fashioned because the Libs they fight,
they fight dirty, and they say mean nasty things and
(17:24):
they always want to get a rise out of you.
And he's doing a great job. But this was an
interesting exchange that he had with a fellow that I
only know. His name is Terrey, so kind of like
Pele or Madonna or Ronaldo, like one name only.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Which is you have to be really really famous to
decide you only go by one name. I'll just point out,
like it's really aggressive move when no one has any
idea who you are, to try to become a one
name person.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I would agree with that, and I'd say this gentleman
who used to be on an ms NBC panel show
years ago that did not last I think we should
know what his last name is. But that's okay. Irrespective
of that, Scott Jennings made short work of his arguments.
This is how it went. Sit back, relax, enjoy cut twelve.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Can it be real for a moment that DOGE is
not about cutting money right, It's not about spending. It's
about shrinking government so that it'll be too small to
stop Trump with whatever else is in this plan.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Why would the government why would the government stop Trump?
Is any the head of the government. You're saying the
government would be too small to stop Trump. If Trump's
the president, why would the government the bureaucracy be actively
trying to.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Stop him because they were nation and creating on authoritarian dictatorship.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's wild, okay.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
And you're suggesting leadership.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
The concept that the military should be an independent agency
or that the bureaucracy should resist the political leadership of
this government is extraordinarily dangerous.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
That's literally not what we said.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
I'm just repeating back to your own life.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I thought it was interesting, Clay, because mister Terrey said
something that is very much a belief of the Democrats,
but they generally don't say it out loud. Which is
we control the government even when we don't control the government.
That's the way this game is played. Trump wins, it
doesn't matter the government's there to stop him from running
the government. This is really a central thesis of this
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moment for the Trump administration, which is that's not allowed
to be the case anymore because it's not supposed to
constitutionally be the case. It was interesting when we were
up for the inauguration, we went out to dinner or
lunch I think it was with one of your friends
who is still working inside of the federal government, and
we just kind of had a generalize conversation about the
(19:44):
fact that many of these federal employees they believe that
they are going to outlast by far any administration, and
so they just have to kind of put their head down,
muck it up as better they can for four years
until somebody else they like more comes back in And that, really,
(20:07):
I think is the game plan of government employees, by
and large, who were overwhelmingly indexed in DC. Did you
see the video of the woman buck who was saying,
when Elon Musk asked me to write five things that
I did, I suddenly knew and I'm paraphrasing her what
it was like to live in North Korea.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And my thought is, and I know many of you
out there will recognize this, pay attention to what MSNBC
and CNN are doing. They are covering any federal worker
who loses his or her job as if they are
incredible victims.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I have been.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I bet a huge percentage, just to be a good test,
what percentage of our audience, buck do you think has
been fired from a job at some point in your
life whenever you got your first job, starting at sixteen,
until you let's say you work till you're sixty five.
I would bet well over half of the average American
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has been at a company. Certainly if you're in the
private sector where you got it's happened to me.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are we making a distinction? Are we making a distinction
between fired and downsized or let go or fire? Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, I'm saying like you are just adding him a
job and for some reason your job doesn't exist anymore.
It could be that you have done something in there,
like you got to go. That's traditional firing, but also
the company downsizes. I've been fired, I've been let go.
I guess is a euphemism that could apply there. I
tend to be.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I tend to have been in a position where I've
had to leave places under duress as the walls were
caving in and the place was on fire, and just
made it out kind of like, kind of like Indiana
Jones when the boulders rolling toward him. So I've been
chased out of a couple of places, but haven't technically
been given the bike. But if I had stayed around longer,
it would I would have been toast. I've been fired
(21:59):
multiple times and let go.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
However you want to classify it not as a result, well,
once as a result of my bad Come on, come on, Clay,
Come on, Clay. I got fired. I got fired from
Abercrombie and Fitch. Remember when I said I worked there
when I was in When I was in college, I
was supposed to call in this is the pre Internet
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to a large extent, every like Saturday night and find
out what time I was supposed to show up on Sunday.
I didn't have a cell phone until two thousand whatever,
two thousand and one, and so sometimes I would call
in on Sunday morning, maybe after having had a fun
night out on Saturday night, and they would be like, yeah,
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you were supposed to be here an hour ago. And
the final straw was I got football tickets to go
watch the Redskins, and I was like, Eh, you know,
this job is not necessarily a job that I love,
and so I called in And that's the only time
I think I've ever been fired from a job for
like them being angry at me. But I will tell this,
(23:03):
so that's kind of a little bit funny. I will
tell you this though. When two thousand and eleven, twenty twelve,
the reason I started out kick was because I got
let go along with everybody else that was writing at
a sports website, and dead Spin was right before FanHouse.
(23:25):
Dead Spin now doesn't exist. But I left dead Spin FanHouse.
I loved it Buck. It was a huge site. They
had probably one hundred and fifty employees. And I went
in I guess it was early in two thousand, twenty eleven.
Early in twenty eleven, I went in, turned my phone
(23:46):
off to go talk on a panel about the future
of sports media in the Tennessee Titan Stadium. When I
turned my phone back on Buck, all of us have
been fired the entire company because they had sold the
site to somebody else, and they said, we already have
our employees, you're gonna get paid. I think I got
paid through like March, and that's when I ended up
(24:07):
starting out kick because I decided then and there I
didn't want my family's future to be determined by some
bean counter that I didn't know. I was working my
ass off. I loved it. My point on this is
it sucks. And I bet a huge percentage of you
have dealt with this at a company where you're working
your ass off, you're doing everything you can, and then
(24:30):
through no faults of your own, the rug just gets
completely pulled out from you can be your feet, you
can be subject to just market conditions in our industry,
and it's painful and it feels and it is unfair, right,
I mean, that's the we can say about we can
talk about things being unfair. It does feel, because it
is I think unfair when you lose your job and
(24:50):
you've done nothing wrong. But I think what you were
getting toward before is what I call the forever job mentality,
which is when you go to the federal government, you have.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
A forever job. And and that has been that has
been rattled right now in a way that they are
absolutely not used to. And there are people who clearly
think that while they work in the executive branch, they
don't work for the executive branch. How does that work?
So Congress funds positions, but the people in those positions
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can't be fired. That's not a job. I mean, that's
like a tenured professorship, Like this is a third So
this is why. And there have been some people who
have been fired and courts have upheld that, I might add,
And there's a lot of it's tough to keep up
with them. There's a lot of court battles going on
right now where people are trying to stop there's a
(25:43):
jurisdiction shopping going on, these universal injunctions coming down from
a random federal judge. They're doing everything they can to
slow down what Trump is doing here with the cuts.
Can I just take something here for one second, Clay
for everybody. Yeah, remember how I said at the top
of the show, and I was just being honest that
the Epstein thing was not going to be interesting, particularly
(26:05):
and there's a lot of fanfare and there's a lot
of people talking about it. Representative Anna Polina Luna, who's
part of the Congressional task force to look into this.
This is what she just tweeted out from her account.
Shared from her account. I know the task force were
given or review the Epstein documents being released today, and
a New York Post story just revealed the documents are
simply Epstein's phone book. This is not what we or
(26:27):
the American people ask for. A complete disappointment. I'm just
you know, I sit here and I tell you guys
how it's going to be, and I'm right, you know
what I mean. I'm not saying you disagree with me, Clay,
I just mean in general, a lot of people, oh,
this is going to be the bombshell. No, it's not.
If it was going to be the bombshell, trust me,
we would have known in advance what was going to
be in the bombshell. They're not just going to release
it to a few people who went to the White House.
(26:48):
I'm not saying this isn't important to get out there
as part of the more public record. But I trust
Anna Polina Luna when she tells us this is a
nothing burgers. What I told that got mad at me.
Why do you think it's going to be a nothing burger,
because I know I will say.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
There's a letter that has just been written by Pam Bondi,
and she says that the New York FBI Field Office
is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm reading from her letter that just went alive.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Despite my repeated request, the FBI never disclosed the existence
of these files. By eight am tomorrow, she is saying,
the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files
to her office, records, documents, audio video recordings, materials related
to him and his clients, regardless of how such information
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was obtained. There will be no withholding or limitation to
my or your access. This is a letter directed to
Cash Bettel. The Department of Justice will ensure that this
disclosure is done. So she has now charged Cash Pateel
with ensuring that the FBI New York Office turns over
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thousands of pages of additional documents. But so that just happened.
So far what was released today not not important?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yes, not news, As I said, that may be now see,
I will tell you on the other side, there might
be some interesting stuff in those FBI files in New
York is clearly the FBI did not want those to
get out. That could be interesting. But the stuff today
is essentially already just public record from the court transcripts
and from the court documents that has now been put
(28:39):
out there once again. So you know, I'm just just
calling balls and strikes here. I want to get to
the bottom of this. I want we need to know
what happened here. There's so much that stinks to high
Heaven about the way that government handled the Epstein stuff.
You know, what he did is monstrous, criminal, evil, all that,
but the government let him get away with it for
(29:00):
a very long time, a very long time.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I still feel like he was an intelligence asset. I
feel like that's the part of this story that we're
not getting. None of it makes sense our intelligence asset
if somebody else's intelligen Yeah, And to your point, the
story here is still what happened to all those documents
that the FBI could have gotten and then suddenly they vanished.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Who keeps video tapes in a safe which is hidden
in a wall in their home unless there's something really
important on those tapes. Hmm seems weird to me, right,
Who also keeps surveillance equipment all over their house so
that they have video of what's going on, particularly in
the bedrooms of the house, and then keeps those tapes
(29:46):
in a locked safe that the FBI gets and does
not want. That's very strange.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I'll give you another very strange thing. Who dies in
a supposedly very secure prison where it's supposed to be
im possible, the only person who have ever committed suicide
in the MCC ever, and when they came to look
at the video of what exactly happened, the video wasn't recording.
(30:14):
That's what happened. When Epstein supposedly killed himself. Clay, one
of the guards was asleep, or maybe they were both asleep.
That guards fell asleep, and the cameras, yes, that seems
seems suspect. They went to sleep at the exact time
that he killed himself, and the cameras happened to not
be working at the exact time he killed himself. I'm
(30:37):
just saying that would not add up. That wouldn't That
wouldn't even pass plot points in a decent movie.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
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It's a numbers game in the Clay and Buck network.
Also writes a fantastic substack which you should subscribe to.
Speaking of a substack, here's the latest. Trump's gold visa
is bad policy. I saw this in my inbox this morning,
and I talked to Ryan, and so, you know, Ryan,
(32:44):
there's somebody that I know quite well who thinks it
is not bad policy, who is very excited about this.
And I want to just let you two step into
the thunderdome over it, and I get to just eat
the popcorn and watch. Clay says that you could you
should just exactly what you think about this policy. You
will not hurt his feelings. Clay's is not a not
(33:06):
a thin skinned individual when it comes to the gold
card policy. So take me through your argument here, because
to be fair, yesterday I said, you know, I don't
love it. I don't hate it. I see some problems
with it. Clay thinks amazing, you think not a good idea.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Why so the policy that Trump's the Saran says, first
of all, one, there's legality problems. Right, the president does
not have the power to create a new green card
process all on his own. So how does he sit
there and offer a green card process? It would be
through some kind of wrangling that Biden had with illegal
immigrants to basically offer them a pathway into the country
(33:44):
legally illegally, but have a five million dollar hold. It
doesn't really make sense, and it's something that a lot
of wealthy individuals would do because there's a lot of
legality problems. That's first of all. Secondly, he says it's
to replace the EB five visa. The president does not
have the ability to end these on his own. That's
another problem with it. The EB five visa, which is
what people are comparing this to, is a visa that
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if wealthy people can invest eight hundred thousand to one
million dollars in this country and higher Americans in low
income areas. Ten Americans and low income areas they can
get EB five visa, a green cart and citizenship on
like a seven year process, a fast track to citizenship,
but it's eight hundred thousand to one million dollars. In
(34:28):
low income areas, they can't have visas H one B
or H two B visas. It has to be ten
American citizens over that time period. A lot of problems
with the system, tons of fraud, you know, it's a big,
big thing. Like Chuck Schumer loves it because he was
able to get a lot of projects on Manhattan, which
is not a low income area, but they would draw
districts into Central Park anyway. Lots of fraud, lots of problems,
(34:51):
lots of issues. So in his statement, Trump and the
Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick sit there and say, the
problem with the EB five is there's too many regulations
on it. We want an easy five million dollars you
get in the country one two three with the promise
that they'll bring jobs. Well, if there's no strings attached,
well then there's no promise that they're going to bring jobs.
(35:12):
Is only going to hire Americans. They could just create
an LLC and Delaware say they made a business. It
doesn't really matter. Okay, let's say he doesn't. He's promising
up to the Lutins those two hundred and fifty thousand people,
which is a one point two five trillion dollar payouts
in the American government for Trump says it could be
ten million through fifty trillion. First of all, there are
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not ten million people in the world that have five
million dollars of easy capital. So the only way that
they'd get ten million people is if you have foreign
government sponsoring people, which is problematic from what me.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Let me pause you here for a sec because I
did I like this policy. But I'm not going to
get into the back and forth right now, because I
do think one of the questions that I had that
was most significant is what a lot of people would
call a total total addressable market. That is, Buck and
Eye were debating Ryan, how many people actually have five
(36:04):
million dollars liquid right? That is, you could stroke a
check for five million dollars. You're saying there's only ten million, Like,
where does that number come from?
Speaker 6 (36:14):
According to according to the Hell Heleni Partners, right. This
is a rapport from twenty twenty four. Of the wealthiest
people in the world, sixteen million people have five million
dollars at least thirty Because if you have five million dollars,
a lot of it's tied up into your property and
to your thisa so.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
That's why so cut you off.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
That's why we said yesterday, and a lot of people
kind of push back that there's a difference between having
a house that's valuable and being a millionaire and being
able to write a check with one million dollars liquid.
What I asked, and I think this is important, sorry
to cut you off, is five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
This basically means if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Buy a painting, right you're at a fabulous event, you
could just stroke a check five million dollars and that
cash would be out in a week or whatever. It is, Right,
how many people can actually do that? He is in
some respect the total addressable market.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
The Kabenighi Research Institute put out this is only two
point six million people worldwide have that kind of money,
and a third of them already live in the United States.
So you're talking about maybe one point eight million people
globally have that kind of money.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
That seems low to me.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
But that is, if that is accurate, then it would
suggest the high end of this policy best case scenario
is not actually very high.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
It's not very very high to begin with. And let's
say they were to get a million people and get
five trillion dollars into the government's hands. Five trillion dollars
is what we spend on the deficit in every two
years we could the Congress could piss away this money
shorter than you could have Irish twins. That's how quickly
(37:50):
we're spending money.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I get it, Ryan, But wouldn't it be a good
thing if it were possible to say, for every single
dollar we bring in in the mean that there is
a market for this, everything goes to paying down the debt.
It doesn't go anywhere else. In other words, I get
your argument. Five trillion on a thirty six trillion dollar
national debt is not a massive difference, but it's better
(38:13):
than nothing, right and right now my argument.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah, I agree with you, But the problem is, I'm
not talking to debt. I'm just talking the deficit. I'm
talking what we will accumulate if we put it to
the debt that will be back in twenty twenty seven. Like, yeah,
I would agree with you, Hunt. If we were deficit neutral,
I would one hundred percent agree with you. That's a
great way of paying down the debt. We're not deficit neutral.
(38:39):
We run a two trillion dollar debt. That's the problem. Sorry,
two trillion dollar deficit every year. So that deficit is
going to replace this entire thing for a million people
plus their family members, which is a larger population that
decided the last three presidential elections. So they will have
(38:59):
a right to vote within five years. This is what
Trump's saying, fast track the citizenship, right to vote anywhere.
He's saying China can apply for it. Russian oliguts can
buy for it. Anyone can have been a lot in
the family could apply for it. Anyone can apply with
it this they have five million in cash, they could
apply for this gold card visa, get citizenship in a
five year period, and be voting before Jdvans is running
(39:21):
in twenty twenty eight. That is what Trump is offering
these people. This is and four, by the way, something
that will not last toward the end of his entire
first term.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, can I ask, can I ask a question right
about that. Do we understand what the legality of this
would be in terms of you know a lot of stuff,
Clay And I think I've seen this with some of
the big executive orders and everything. So far, it's going
to go to the courts. Right, we knew the Anchor
Baby thing going to the courts. We know someone is
going to the courts. How would the president be able
to do this without congressional action or would he need
(39:54):
congressional action? It seems to me he would.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
Yeah. So the EB five visa, we give out ten
thousand in a year. That's it. So he's basically saying
we're going to increase the EB before we're going to
replace the EB five visa, increase all the numbers and
increase the caps beyond the congressional limit. He doesn't have
that authority at all, so that would be immediately and
in the course, what he would do is do a
parole authority, which is what Biden was doing and Obama
(40:20):
was doing to allow all these illegal aliens. And parole
was a presidential power for people who were like their
parents were dying in the United States and they wanted
to fly out, but they didn't have a correct visa.
A president would parole a single person, and then under
ob Obama started parolling millions of people, and Biden even
exacerbated the issue. Trump's been very against parole authority during
(40:40):
his first term and during a second. That's really his
only loophole. But there's not a legality into getting a
green card from that. So you're asking very wealthy, high
income people who could probably get a citizenship the long way,
very very easily, by saying we're going to short term
it by this parole program that I don't really have
legal authority for two. So you're going to be in
(41:01):
the gray zone for quite a bit of time while
we sell this in courts. I don't think a lot
of wealthy individuals unless they are sponsored by governments, which
he did not sit there and say if he's against
or four. He was saying, anyone could qualify Russian Holigarts,
the Chinese, everybody, and by the EB five ye is
that you cannot be You cannot be sponsored by a
foreign country. You have to have the cash yourself. That
(41:23):
doesn't make any sense, like there's no there is no
way to sit there and get and get these kinds
of people in if they're being going to be okay
being in a gray legal authority for a year or
possibly his entire four year term.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
What do you like about what Trump is doing so
far on immigration policy? Ryan, Let's take his let's take
this to a happy place for a minute.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Now.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
I agree, O listen the mass deportations. I like him.
I hope they go out faster, I think. Listen, if
Trump gets the birthright citizenship case in his favor and
he ends birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, I don't care
if he sleeps for the next four years. I don't
care what he does. He will be one of the
greatest presidents and most consequential, not only of my lifetime,
of the last century. This is one of the worst
(42:07):
things that's going on in our country and hasn't for
a long time. It's amazing that he's taking this huge, huge,
huge scamble on this as part of his early earliness agenda.
That is great. But the problem with Trump with this
EB five thing, like with the goazless ship thing, is
in his head he's always kind of making a resort. So, yeah,
you're going to make a resort in Gaza. You're gonna
(42:28):
sit there and make American into a resort and you
just have to pay, you know, five million dollars to
sit by the pool and get a martini. Serve to
you that that is the fundamental issue. So you can
have Howard Lutnick, who's former Caunter Fitzgerald CEO, billionaire donor
brain who sees America as a transactional proposition, you have
an issue. I believe America is for people who invested
(42:49):
in this country, not for five million dollars, but for
generations and build this country.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And there's okay.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
So let me ask you that we agree with a
lot of this stuff. Let me ask you this, what
policies have you heard from a Republican or Democrat that
are logical and makes sense that that would make sense
to get rid of some part of our thirty six
trillion dollar debt. Because here's my concern, Ryan, I think
(43:16):
of everything out there right now, to the extent that
I am concerned about things for the next one hundred years,
long after everybody listening now is gone. I think our
national debt is the biggest threat that America faces because
the more and more it grows, the less we can
allow the country to flourish, and the more foreign nations
(43:37):
can have entanglements because they own a substantial portion of
our debt.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So what have you seen?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'm just curious this The reason I like this policy
is Trump's got a conversation going about trying to address it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
In a new way.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
What have you heard or seen? And you think, hey,
this does make sense? Because I do bet you agree.
The national debt is a huge mess.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
It's a huge, huge problem. And doen doge and coins
and goal visas are not going to solve the problem
of Congress not doing the work. You have to have Medicare,
Medicaid and social security reform. You have to have reform
the Department of Defense. You have to stop policing the world.
That is first and foremost. I think we should still
be suing government of China for COVID. I think we
(44:19):
should absolutely be suing for what they did to our
nation during COVID and the breakup of the debt that
we did then. And I've heard things about minting a
trillion dollar chip and sitting there and using that to
pay off the debt. I've heard of a lot of
different things. But Congress has to stop spending like drunken sailors.
Nothing that Elon Musk or a goal Visa or anybody
else will do as long as Congress is there and
(44:41):
spends us into oblivion. We have to stop letting Congress
just endlessly sit there and just spend money, money, good money,
chasing bad projects. Has to stop.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Ryan Gerdusky, everybody play anything else? We good?
Speaker 7 (44:54):
All right?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, I mean he's.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Totally wrong on this. Congratulations on the baby. By the way,
do you have any tip for Buck on fatherhood? As
Buck will soon be a father in the next like
six eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
You everything that you say, a lot of your selfish,
selfish needs all go out the window and you will lose.
The whole joke of you'll lose sleep is not a joke.
You will just go days without sleeping like you think
you will.
Speaker 9 (45:19):
So but good luck.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
I mean it's great, it is great, but it is
there is no sleep. I mean there's just no sleep
for the first.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
A lot of a lot of sunshine and rainbows for
mister Gerdusky today on the radio.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
Show, I'm in one of those sleep modesal.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, go check out the It's a Numbers Game podcast
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the National population newsletter. Mister Gradski, go get some sleep.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (45:41):
Thank you.
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Up to Maine, where state Representative Laurel Libby has been
fighting a battle that I think most of you who
are listening to us in Maine will agree with, and
certainly the vast majority of you listen listening nationwide will
agree with as well. Laurel, your governor was Janet Mills,
I believe, on Friday, directly confronted by President Trump over
(47:39):
whether she was going to continue to allow men who
identify as women to be competing in women's sporting events.
She said she was. She said she was going to
sue Trump. You've been fighting back against this absurdity. What
is the latest on the ground in Maine, and what
has happened to you for being as out spoken in
(48:00):
favor of a crazy idea men should compete against men
and women should compete against women.
Speaker 9 (48:06):
Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for having me on today. You know,
Governor Mills is completely out of touch with her constituency.
The vast majority of manors do not agree with her
extremist viewpoint that biological meals should be paying female sports.
They support commonsent and ensuring face and level playing fields,
(48:29):
and so most folks are quite disappointed to see Governor
Mills having this standoff with President Trump when he's simply
speaking up and standing up for main girls where our
governor should be. Frankly, I have been now censured for
my views because of a post that I made on Facebook,
(48:50):
and my right to vote my constituents and speak on
the floor is now has now been as of this week,
because becuzz of speaking up for me and girls.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Well, Laurel, let's get into what exactly happened here my understanding.
Our understanding is that you posted on Facebook last week
showing a trans student, so a man or a young
man or whatever winning a female state championship pole vaulting competition.
(49:23):
So oh, here was this is the quote, I believe
another day, another instance of an unremarkable biological male athlete
who couldn't win against other males dominating girls' sports. That
is a statement of largely at least a statement of fact.
I mean, I guess they could say there's some aspect
of opinion in there, but that's also protected by the
First Amendment. What are you being censured for? What is
(49:44):
the problem according to the people who think you need
to be censored?
Speaker 9 (49:48):
Yeah, you know that's not even the post I'm being
censured for. The post I'm being censured for was on
Facebook and it simply highlighted that John had won fifth
place at a regional competition last year, and that as
Katie this year he won the state championships. He last
participated as a male as a young man last year
(50:10):
in June, and now this February he's winning a state
championship as a quote unquote girl. It is absolutely, completely,
without question, completely unfair. He has displaced biological females from
their rightful place at the top of that podium. And
the left are incredibly angry that this has been pointed
(50:35):
out and that everyone in Maine and across the country
can see that the Emperor has no clothes and that
this is absolutely going on in our state, and they
think it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
So let's go into this.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
In particular, Trump lost the state of Maine by seven
points on a political basis in twenty twenty four. He
won one electoral vote in the northern part of the state.
Because Maine, it's electoral votes. What percentage you live in Maine.
We've taken a lot of calls from people in Maine,
gotten a lot of reaction. What percentage of the residence
(51:10):
of the state of Maine do you think agree with
virtually everything that you are saying.
Speaker 9 (51:16):
I think that Maine follows the national eighty percent polling.
And I say that because I've had so much outreach
from Democrats, and so I try to be careful talking
about this because this is an issue where Augusta Democrats,
those in power are outliers. I think from what I'm
(51:37):
seeing that by and large, Maine Democrats at ordinary, everyday
manors all of these national trends, this eighty twenty where
sixty three percent of Democrats, you know, ninety some percent
of Republicans. I think we follow on those lines. It's
an eighty twenty issue in Maine. I can't tell you
how many Democrats I have heard from in our state
(51:59):
who specifically on ify they say, I am a Democrat,
you are right?
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Or speaking to Maine State Representative Laurel Libby, and Laurel,
let me ask you, why do you think the governor
of your state, apart from the ideological adherence to this right,
are there special interests that she's trying to play kate
to your knowledge? Is it? Are there donors or big
NGOs or something that are have given her a lot
(52:26):
of campaign money? Because it just seems to your point,
it's an eighty twenty issue, it's rather straightforward. The photo
you shared of the bilog, I mean, it's a man, Okay,
it's a young man competing against women. Anyone can see
this and realize it is absurd and it's wrong. So
is there any outside reason, or any external reason beyond
ideology that is making the in your opinion, making the
(52:48):
governor of Maine take this bizarre position?
Speaker 9 (52:52):
Yeah, you know, I think it's multifactorial. It's certainly catering
to their base, which I think is a political or
on their part because they're so off, But I think, yeah,
I think that they just don't think that they can lose.
And that's the thing. They've gotten really cocky, because you know,
Governor Mills is in six years now and has another
(53:15):
two years in this second term, and the Democrats have
maintained a majority for those six years, despite the fact
that they are flushing Maine down the toilet. This is
far from the only extreme policy that has been passed
in our state, but this is the first time that
I've seen such a significant awakening to how extreme their
(53:38):
policies are. And Governor Mills is not used to being
challenged by anyone who has the power to actually take action,
so this is the first time she is facing a
significant challenger to the tyranny going on in our state.
So I think there's multiple factors at play here, but
I think one of those is just a feeling that
(53:59):
they're impervious, which I think is going to be proven
very wrong.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Would you ever believe, Laurel that we would have a
situation where the Democrat Party would basically support men who
are identifying as women being able to compete in women's sports,
and Republicans would say, hey, we don't do this, and
to your point, this is not really a political issue.
Sixty seven percent of Democrats agree with that statement. Seventy
nine percent, as you mentioned earlier, this according the New
(54:24):
York Times of people nationwide, ninety four percent of Republicans.
It's hard to get eighty percent of people to agree
on anything. We've got eighty percent agreement here. There's a
vote coming up on the Senate floor Monday. Senator John
Thune's office just sent me a message to make us
aware they wanted me to share with the audience that
they are going to vote to try to pass the
(54:44):
law in the Senate that has already passed the House.
Isn't this just basic common sense, Laurel.
Speaker 9 (54:50):
Yeah, it is just basic common sense. But you know,
the main Democrat party is not known for common sense.
So let's make that really clear. They don't have an
abundance of that. It's in short supply here in Maine.
And so it does not surprise me at all that
we are here because they are out of touch with
(55:14):
their manor with fellow manors in so many other ways
as well. This is just the most recent illustration of it.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Do you have any interest, Oh, go ahead, Claig, go ahead, No,
I was just.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Going to say, do you have any sense on how
Susan Collins comes down on this? Because she's up for
reelection in twenty twenty six and that's the biggest statewide
battle I would imagine that will happen in the near future.
Has she reached out any of her staff? Do you
have a sense of what she thinks about this debate?
Speaker 9 (55:40):
Yeah, you know, I've seen her quoted in speaking up
that girl sports should should be for girls and not
biological males. I believe that she was also quoted saying
that it's a state issue, so you know, walking that
tearful line that she does.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Any interest in running for governor yourself at some point
sounds like this might be might be a good job
for you.
Speaker 9 (56:06):
I've certainly been hearing that question a lot, But right
now my focus is on main girls and their rights,
which are being absolutely trampled in our states. But I
think we have a window of opportunity here, thanks to
the Trump administration, to tackle that and hopefully ensure that
main girls have a fair and level playing field. At
(56:28):
some point in the near future. It won't happen because
of state intervention that's absolutely one hundred percent in my book.
But I have hope that thanks to the administration, we might.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
See changed outstanding stuff. Laurel.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
We appreciate you reaching out, Laurel Libby, State Rep. In Maine,
fighting for basic common sense when it comes to women's.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Sports related issues.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Laurel, we appreciate the time and keep us updated on
how things are going up there.
Speaker 9 (56:58):
Thanks so much.
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Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show is starting right now. It's very exciting. Thank
you for being here. And we have so much to discuss.
A press conference yesterday in the White House Tabinet members
and elon their Doge doing its thing, explaining to everybody
(00:21):
that the math makes it clear Doze is not just
a good idea, it is a necessary idea. We shall
discuss that. We have JB. Pritzker with his theory, and
I know a lot of you are going to make
jokes about this about why grocery prices are high, but
(00:43):
we will address that in a little bit. This is
the possible Democrat nominee going forward for them. We'll see
he is the governor of Illinois. We've got bezos and
the Washington Post opinion shift, which we will dive into.
Pam Bondy says that there might be some more. There
(01:04):
might be some Epstein information. Flight logs, et cetera. Released
Scott Jennings giving a free lesson on the Jennings Analysis
bus for CNN. He is letting the kids get on
the school bus, giving them a free ride, explaining how
the government works. Very kind of him. Scott Jennings, very patient, man,
(01:25):
very kind. We've got that just so much going on here.
Pro Luigi Mangioti protest. That is a real sickness that
has taken over some quarters. We shall discuss that our
friend Ryan Gerduski will join us to talk about gold
card citizenship. Clay, he's fired up about it.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
He's fired an entire piece, like furious, like he was
in my mentions, like this is the worst idea. I'm
paraphrasing the worst idea you've ever had. So if you
think that I'm a moron, Ryan is fired up. I
still love the idea, but we'll see how that goes you.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But he does not love five million dollars gold cards
for citizens. So we'll talk to him. He's from the
Clay and Buck podcast network. We'll talk to him later
on about this. But as the media tries to get
its footing. Oh and also the CIA nsa chat log
released by Chris Ruffo with all kinds of grotesque and
absurd and bizarre stuff. There's firings now happening. Tulca Gabbard
(02:23):
is on the issue. She will yes, sir, I know,
I'm just also that's happening. We should tell people it's possible.
The Epstein documents are going to be released today. Pam
Bondi last night on Sean Hannity's show, I believe, said, Hey,
they're coming out today. Will there be any major revelations?
Will anything come from this list?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Buck, you're the want wont guy, wamp womp guy on
all the.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Way to this one, because I can pretty easily it's
just it's just a list of his contacts. We already
know that he has contacts with many of the most
connected and powerful people in the world. We know that
some of them or scummy. But the problem is worse
than scummy, you know what I'm talking about. The problem
is a lot of them will say I just had
lunch with the guy. You already knew that Bill Clinton
flew in his jet. You already knew that that Bill
(03:11):
Gates went to Epstein Island. So unless there's proof just
contact with Epstein, I don't think is going to be
enough because we already know about a lot of very powerful,
rich people who had lots of contact with Epstein. So
I could be wrong, but I think that it is
unlikely there will be any major revelation that comes out
of it. Actually, I mean, I hope I am wrong,
because I always tell people the story of the FBI
(03:34):
showing up in New York City at the Epstein mansion,
which was given to him. How many people give somebody
a seventy million dollars a year. That's quite strange given
to him as a gift, hmm. But the FBI showed
up and searched his entire residence. This is after he
had been arrested at Teterborough Airport and they found in
(03:56):
a safe tapes. And when they found the tapes in
the safe, the FBI said, hold on a second, you
can this is in court transcripts. Hold fbies, hold on,
we don't have the right to seize. We only have
the right to search. We got to come back with
a new warrant in a few days. And does anyone
to guess what happened when they came back to the
Epstein mansion after cracking the safe and finding the surveillance tapes.
(04:21):
The surveillance tapes were gone. Oh the FBI hm surveillance.
They decided not even clay to try to keep tabs
on the tape.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Think those ended? Where do you think all those tapes
truly ended up. Well, the FBI called I believe the
Epstein you know, the Epstein attorneys. He said, hey, do
you guys have.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
These And they go, oh, there's some tapes, but nothing,
nothing important. We'll bring them right back to you. Where
do I think that they went. I mean, who knows.
They either erased whatever was on those tapes, destroyed the tapes,
and replace them with other tapes.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, it's one you think they still exist in
any way?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
No, I think they destroyed them. Yeah, I think they
destroyed them because I think that they're Look, I want
to be very clear. I think that the Epstein thing
is a massive conspiracy and a massive cover up, and
I think it implicates some of the most powerful and
connected people in the world in ways that it is
horrifying to even imagine. Do we have any proof of it?
(05:17):
Though without proof we get nowhere. It's been a long
time for them to cover up the proof. Pambondi is
releasing information as Attorney General. We will see. But I
do not, by any means think that we figured out
even half the story with Epstein so far. So let's
just put that out there. But Clay, do you want
to do you want to do. Do you want to
do fake Tapper first, or you want to do c
(05:39):
I you want to do fake Tapper, Let's do fake Tapper.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I mean, this is tough not to really just gloat over,
but also tell you guys to not not to be
aware of what they're trying to do, because this is
next level gaslighting for Jake Tapper, who's got a book
out to now claim, oh I was is the book
outer or has he announced comes out in May? Comes
(06:02):
out there? Yeah, so it's a little ways out. So
we because otherwise we would get a copy and you know,
we'd thumb through it. Here, here's what's going on everyone.
For those who have worked in media, this is kind
of this has been a long running a long running joke,
and you might have even seen people, some prominent political
analysts last night saying that mister Tapper, who has a
has a long history of doing this to many people,
(06:24):
including me, likes to go into people's dms and hector them,
threaten them, cajole them like a little high school girl
who doesn't like what was written about him, you know,
on a bathroom stall or something. Okay, he is a
little child about this, and people do not appreciate it,
especially throughout the media. But he used to be the
(06:45):
Him and Anderson Cooper were kind of the prime guys
at CNN and the most establishment, and so people didn't
say anything really about it very much because you know,
he had a he had a big megaphone.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Now things have changed. He's still slipping into people's nobody cares,
and he realizes Clay that the old game of oh,
I'm one of the good ones who will speak truth
to power, including to my own side. He also used
to hide behind his ostentatious love of veterans a lot.
I mean, look, I have just gonna be honest with you.
I have no respect for the guy whatsoever. And now
(07:18):
he's trying to pretend like he's a truth teller because
he's part of a book. Now, other people have pointed
out Clay that Alex whatever his name is, what's the
guy's name, the other all co author, Alex Thompson, I think,
has actually done a good job, relatively speaking, covering this.
So Alex Thompson has some street cred on trying to
(07:39):
tell the truth about Biden when it was inconvenient. Telling
the truth about Biden now is nothing. The entire country knows.
People that don't even care about politics have known about
this for months. So Tapper is trying to resurrect Clay.
I think his brand with oh I actually was trying
to tell the truth about Biden here this is cut
one play this.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Thompson of Axios and I have spent the last several
months talking to more than two hundred insiders and officials
and donors and activists more willing to talk post election,
of course, to explain the last couple of years in
politics and how we as a nation got here with
never before heard stories from behind the scenes, you will
(08:19):
not believe what was really going on. You can pre
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Speaker 1 (08:28):
This is the arsonist putting on a fireman's hat and
saying I'm here to save the day Clay. It's and
no one's. I don't think anyone's buying it. And fake
Tapper is used to pulling one over on a lot
of simpletons. I don't think he's fulling anybody this time.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't even understand how he could think he could
get away with writing this book. Alex Thompson, Okay, well again,
he did a lot of reporting that was inconvenient at
the time. We told all of you that as soon
as the election was over, all of these books, with
all of the he's crazy behind the scenes stories about
(09:02):
Biden's ineptitude, would all come out. So this is very predicted.
You can go back and listen to the transcripts. We've
been telling you that for years. But here is what
Jake Tapper. So Tapper is now trying to claim, Hey,
you know what, I covered Biden's physical and mental decline
aggressively on CNN. No one is buying it. It's probably
(09:25):
not a surprise. I don't know if you saw this buck.
According to Gallop, trust in media has hidden all time low.
That is never in the history since they have been
testing it has there been less trust in the so
called mainstream legacy media. But here is examples of what
(09:46):
Jake Tapper was saying about Joe Biden and any critics
relating to the Joe Biden situation. I believe that's cut too.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And Biden embraces his stutter talking about it well, Trump
mox said, exaggerates it. The littles of he's are physically
I mean mentally, Yeah, I think the question is physically right,
right or.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So right, right, and the guy who's his chief.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Opponent is only three or four years younger than him. Ada,
I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness,
fitness ability to lead of those supporting Biden. You said, quote,
shame on all of you pretending everything is okay. You're
leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry
that you damaged him at all? False claims to the
Wall Street Journal about President Biden's mental fitness and acuity.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
He's eighty one and his memory.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
You know, it doesn't seem great, It's not horrible, But
I don't understand the outrage.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And now he says, oh, I covered this fairly. I mean,
you know this, but I think it's important for everybody
out there to understand there is a level of dishonesty
that is expected when you work at CNN and MSNBC
in order to continue to get the guests on that
you get on that program, and you are not allowed
(10:54):
to be a true truth teller. Now, the truth can
be told because Biden's ability as a politician is done.
In fact, Buck, have you even seen Biden since he
left DC on January twentieth, any story about him in
the last month. I don't even remember seeing anything that
he's done in any kind of public fashion since he
(11:16):
left here White House.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Here's a big part of why the media that is
Democrat aligned. And remember journalists by profession are ninety percent Democrats.
The fifty percent of them who say they're independents are
lying they're Democrats. Okay, it's all Democrats except for the
people who come out and say I'm a conservative. This
is important, Clay, because now the entire opposition to Trump
(11:41):
has to say things like, oh, I don't like what
Trump's doing. And the public, in a very general sense,
not partisans, just anyone who has been paying even the
slightest hint of attention last year, looks at people like
Tapper and seeing then on others and goes, you, guys
lied to us about a president who had dementia years Yes,
(12:01):
why should I listen to you about anything? I mean,
how much more reckless, how much more deceitful could they
be than they already have been? Their credibility is gone
and it's not coming back. And so you'd say, why
would Tapper want to be involved with his book? Because
he realizes there's no lane anymore for the Oh, you know,
(12:24):
I'm part of CNN and we speak the truth. No,
people don't believe it. So now there are going to
be people who try to rebuild by pretending that they're
actually just journalists and truth tellers. All lie they were
part of it. If you didn't speak out on this
before the election, what you say about this now means nothing.
How is it that you and I knew this to
the point where it was like a daily conversation. I
(12:47):
can't believe this guy is even You know that they're
even going for this is insane.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We started years ago debating whether or not they were
going to allow Biden to continue to run, and we
regularly on this played clips that made it clear Biden
wasn't up for the job again, and we also pointed
out these stories have vanished, but it is worth remembering
all of them.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
A lot of Democrats made a huge story about putting
the twenty fifth Amendment into.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Place for Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Remember how aggressive they were in like twenty eighteen and
twenty nineteen on CNN and MSNBC, arguing that the twenty
fifth Amendment should be invoked because Trump wasn't physically and
mentally able to be president of the United States. Remember
how much they covered the way he walked down the
ramp at West Point when it was covered and soaked
(13:41):
and sodden and he was afraid of falling falling. I mean,
the way they covered Trump's physical and mental fitness compared
to Biden was night and day. If you want to argue, hey,
we need to make sure the commander in chief is
one hundred percent in command of his mental and physical faculties.
That's fine, and hold everybody to the same standard. They
(14:02):
treated Trump like he was close to mental instability. Remember
they wanted him to take cognition tests. And then Biden
gets into office, he can barely speak, and they pretend
it's crazy to question anything about him.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And all this time, it would have been so easy,
and I think actually politically smart for them to come
out and tell the truth before the election, before the primary,
before you know, this should have happened at the midterms.
I always thought, Okay, they're going to replace him at
the mid terms with Kamala and now that they've but
but Clay, how much worse would it be. The movie Dave,
(14:38):
which is actually kind of a it's you know, it's
it's lib But the movie Dave is a pretty easy watch,
and it's where the president is replaced by his body double.
How much more dishonest is that than what they than
what they actually did, which is looking at you in
the face while Biden's going beer beer, beer bear and
telling you, oh, he's fine, he's sharp as attack. And
(15:00):
they all did this, and now they want to tell
us that they're truth tellers. They've got to be kidding me.
We'll come back.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But I do think the collapse of the Red Wave
in twenty twenty two, not sweeping the nation, ended up
being the best thing that could have happened, because that's
what persuaded Biden that he should stay in office.
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Speaker 1 (16:38):
Let's check in on our friends over at CNN for
a moment.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Here.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Scott Jennings has risen to conservative commentary prominence through being
especially adept at taking on not one, not two, sometimes three, four,
I don't even know, maybe five CNN libs at once.
It's an excellent thing to watch. It's like a tight
(17:02):
rope walk. It's stepping into the the you know, the
lion's cage as the lion tamer, all all that good stuff.
I mean, what he's doing is really entertaining, and he
deserves the credit that he's getting for always handling it well,
handling it in a gentlemanly fashioned because the Libs they fight,
they fight dirty, and they say mean nasty things and
(17:24):
they always want to get a rise out of you.
And he's doing a great job. But this was an
interesting exchange that he had with a fellow that I
only know. His name is Terrey, so kind of like
Pele or Madonna or Ronaldo, like one name only.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Which is you have to be really really famous to
decide you only go by one name. I'll just point out,
like it's really aggressive move when no one has any
idea who you are, to try to become a one
name person.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I would agree with that, and I'd say this gentleman
who used to be on an ms NBC panel show
years ago that did not last I think we should
know what his last name is. But that's okay. Irrespective
of that, Scott Jennings made short work of his arguments.
This is how it went. Sit back, relax, enjoy cut twelve.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Can it be real for a moment that DOGE is
not about cutting money right, It's not about spending. It's
about shrinking government so that it'll be too small to
stop Trump with whatever else is in this plan.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Why would the government why would the government stop Trump?
Is any the head of the government. You're saying the
government would be too small to stop Trump. If Trump's
the president, why would the government the bureaucracy be actively
trying to.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Stop him because they were nation and creating on authoritarian dictatorship.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's wild, okay.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
And you're suggesting leadership.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
The concept that the military should be an independent agency
or that the bureaucracy should resist the political leadership of
this government is extraordinarily dangerous.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
That's literally not what we said.
Speaker 8 (18:57):
I'm just repeating back to your own life.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I thought it was interesting, Clay, because mister Terrey said
something that is very much a belief of the Democrats,
but they generally don't say it out loud. Which is
we control the government even when we don't control the government.
That's the way this game is played. Trump wins, it
doesn't matter the government's there to stop him from running
the government. This is really a central thesis of this
(19:23):
moment for the Trump administration, which is that's not allowed
to be the case anymore because it's not supposed to
constitutionally be the case. It was interesting when we were
up for the inauguration, we went out to dinner or
lunch I think it was with one of your friends
who is still working inside of the federal government, and
we just kind of had a generalize conversation about the
(19:44):
fact that many of these federal employees they believe that
they are going to outlast by far any administration, and
so they just have to kind of put their head down,
muck it up as better they can for four years
until somebody else they like more comes back in And that, really,
(20:07):
I think is the game plan of government employees, by
and large, who were overwhelmingly indexed in DC. Did you
see the video of the woman buck who was saying,
when Elon Musk asked me to write five things that
I did, I suddenly knew and I'm paraphrasing her what
it was like to live in North Korea.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And my thought is, and I know many of you
out there will recognize this, pay attention to what MSNBC
and CNN are doing. They are covering any federal worker
who loses his or her job as if they are
incredible victims.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I have been.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I bet a huge percentage, just to be a good test,
what percentage of our audience, buck do you think has
been fired from a job at some point in your
life whenever you got your first job, starting at sixteen,
until you let's say you work till you're sixty five.
I would bet well over half of the average American
(21:06):
has been at a company. Certainly if you're in the
private sector where you got it's happened to me.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are we making a distinction? Are we making a distinction
between fired and downsized or let go or fire? Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, I'm saying like you are just adding him a
job and for some reason your job doesn't exist anymore.
It could be that you have done something in there,
like you got to go. That's traditional firing, but also
the company downsizes. I've been fired, I've been let go.
I guess is a euphemism that could apply there. I
tend to be.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I tend to have been in a position where I've
had to leave places under duress as the walls were
caving in and the place was on fire, and just
made it out kind of like, kind of like Indiana
Jones when the boulders rolling toward him. So I've been
chased out of a couple of places, but haven't technically
been given the bike. But if I had stayed around longer,
it would I would have been toast. I've been fired
(21:59):
multiple times and let go.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
However you want to classify it not as a result, well,
once as a result of my bad Come on, come on, Clay,
Come on, Clay. I got fired. I got fired from
Abercrombie and Fitch. Remember when I said I worked there
when I was in When I was in college, I
was supposed to call in this is the pre Internet
(22:22):
to a large extent, every like Saturday night and find
out what time I was supposed to show up on Sunday.
I didn't have a cell phone until two thousand whatever,
two thousand and one, and so sometimes I would call
in on Sunday morning, maybe after having had a fun
night out on Saturday night, and they would be like, yeah,
(22:43):
you were supposed to be here an hour ago. And
the final straw was I got football tickets to go
watch the Redskins, and I was like, Eh, you know,
this job is not necessarily a job that I love,
and so I called in And that's the only time
I think I've ever been fired from a job for
like them being angry at me. But I will tell this,
(23:03):
so that's kind of a little bit funny. I will
tell you this though. When two thousand and eleven, twenty twelve,
the reason I started out kick was because I got
let go along with everybody else that was writing at
a sports website, and dead Spin was right before FanHouse.
(23:25):
Dead Spin now doesn't exist. But I left dead Spin FanHouse.
I loved it Buck. It was a huge site. They
had probably one hundred and fifty employees. And I went
in I guess it was early in two thousand, twenty eleven.
Early in twenty eleven, I went in, turned my phone
(23:46):
off to go talk on a panel about the future
of sports media in the Tennessee Titan Stadium. When I
turned my phone back on Buck, all of us have
been fired the entire company because they had sold the
site to somebody else, and they said, we already have
our employees, you're gonna get paid. I think I got
paid through like March, and that's when I ended up
(24:07):
starting out kick because I decided then and there I
didn't want my family's future to be determined by some
bean counter that I didn't know. I was working my
ass off. I loved it. My point on this is
it sucks. And I bet a huge percentage of you
have dealt with this at a company where you're working
your ass off, you're doing everything you can, and then
(24:30):
through no faults of your own, the rug just gets
completely pulled out from you can be your feet, you
can be subject to just market conditions in our industry,
and it's painful and it feels and it is unfair, right,
I mean, that's the we can say about we can
talk about things being unfair. It does feel, because it
is I think unfair when you lose your job and
(24:50):
you've done nothing wrong. But I think what you were
getting toward before is what I call the forever job mentality,
which is when you go to the federal government, you have.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
A forever job. And and that has been that has
been rattled right now in a way that they are
absolutely not used to. And there are people who clearly
think that while they work in the executive branch, they
don't work for the executive branch. How does that work?
So Congress funds positions, but the people in those positions
(25:22):
can't be fired. That's not a job. I mean, that's
like a tenured professorship, Like this is a third So
this is why. And there have been some people who
have been fired and courts have upheld that, I might add,
And there's a lot of it's tough to keep up
with them. There's a lot of court battles going on
right now where people are trying to stop there's a
(25:43):
jurisdiction shopping going on, these universal injunctions coming down from
a random federal judge. They're doing everything they can to
slow down what Trump is doing here with the cuts.
Can I just take something here for one second, Clay
for everybody. Yeah, remember how I said at the top
of the show, and I was just being honest that
the Epstein thing was not going to be interesting, particularly
(26:05):
and there's a lot of fanfare and there's a lot
of people talking about it. Representative Anna Polina Luna, who's
part of the Congressional task force to look into this.
This is what she just tweeted out from her account.
Shared from her account. I know the task force were
given or review the Epstein documents being released today, and
a New York Post story just revealed the documents are
simply Epstein's phone book. This is not what we or
(26:27):
the American people ask for. A complete disappointment. I'm just
you know, I sit here and I tell you guys
how it's going to be, and I'm right, you know
what I mean. I'm not saying you disagree with me, Clay,
I just mean in general, a lot of people, oh,
this is going to be the bombshell. No, it's not.
If it was going to be the bombshell, trust me,
we would have known in advance what was going to
be in the bombshell. They're not just going to release
it to a few people who went to the White House.
(26:48):
I'm not saying this isn't important to get out there
as part of the more public record. But I trust
Anna Polina Luna when she tells us this is a
nothing burgers. What I told that got mad at me.
Why do you think it's going to be a nothing burger,
because I know I will say.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
There's a letter that has just been written by Pam Bondi,
and she says that the New York FBI Field Office
is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm reading from her letter that just went alive.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Despite my repeated request, the FBI never disclosed the existence
of these files. By eight am tomorrow, she is saying,
the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files
to her office, records, documents, audio video recordings, materials related
to him and his clients, regardless of how such information
(27:49):
was obtained. There will be no withholding or limitation to
my or your access. This is a letter directed to
Cash Bettel. The Department of Justice will ensure that this
disclosure is done. So she has now charged Cash Pateel
with ensuring that the FBI New York Office turns over
(28:11):
thousands of pages of additional documents. But so that just happened.
So far what was released today not not important?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yes, not news, As I said, that may be now see,
I will tell you on the other side, there might
be some interesting stuff in those FBI files in New
York is clearly the FBI did not want those to
get out. That could be interesting. But the stuff today
is essentially already just public record from the court transcripts
and from the court documents that has now been put
(28:39):
out there once again. So you know, I'm just just
calling balls and strikes here. I want to get to
the bottom of this. I want we need to know
what happened here. There's so much that stinks to high
Heaven about the way that government handled the Epstein stuff.
You know, what he did is monstrous, criminal, evil, all that,
but the government let him get away with it for
(29:00):
a very long time, a very long time.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I still feel like he was an intelligence asset. I
feel like that's the part of this story that we're
not getting. None of it makes sense our intelligence asset
if somebody else's intelligen Yeah, And to your point, the
story here is still what happened to all those documents
that the FBI could have gotten and then suddenly they vanished.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Who keeps video tapes in a safe which is hidden
in a wall in their home unless there's something really
important on those tapes. Hmm seems weird to me, right,
Who also keeps surveillance equipment all over their house so
that they have video of what's going on, particularly in
the bedrooms of the house, and then keeps those tapes
(29:46):
in a locked safe that the FBI gets and does
not want. That's very strange.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I'll give you another very strange thing. Who dies in
a supposedly very secure prison where it's supposed to be
im possible, the only person who have ever committed suicide
in the MCC ever, and when they came to look
at the video of what exactly happened, the video wasn't recording.
(30:14):
That's what happened. When Epstein supposedly killed himself. Clay, one
of the guards was asleep, or maybe they were both asleep.
That guards fell asleep, and the cameras, yes, that seems
seems suspect. They went to sleep at the exact time
that he killed himself, and the cameras happened to not
be working at the exact time he killed himself. I'm
(30:37):
just saying that would not add up. That wouldn't That
wouldn't even pass plot points in a decent movie.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
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It's a numbers game in the Clay and Buck network.
Also writes a fantastic substack which you should subscribe to.
Speaking of a substack, here's the latest. Trump's gold visa
is bad policy. I saw this in my inbox this morning,
and I talked to Ryan, and so, you know, Ryan,
(32:44):
there's somebody that I know quite well who thinks it
is not bad policy, who is very excited about this.
And I want to just let you two step into
the thunderdome over it, and I get to just eat
the popcorn and watch. Clay says that you could you
should just exactly what you think about this policy. You
will not hurt his feelings. Clay's is not a not
(33:06):
a thin skinned individual when it comes to the gold
card policy. So take me through your argument here, because
to be fair, yesterday I said, you know, I don't
love it. I don't hate it. I see some problems
with it. Clay thinks amazing, you think not a good idea.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Why so the policy that Trump's the Saran says, first
of all, one, there's legality problems. Right, the president does
not have the power to create a new green card
process all on his own. So how does he sit
there and offer a green card process? It would be
through some kind of wrangling that Biden had with illegal
immigrants to basically offer them a pathway into the country
(33:44):
legally illegally, but have a five million dollar hold. It
doesn't really make sense, and it's something that a lot
of wealthy individuals would do because there's a lot of
legality problems. That's first of all. Secondly, he says it's
to replace the EB five visa. The president does not
have the ability to end these on his own. That's
another problem with it. The EB five visa, which is
what people are comparing this to, is a visa that
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if wealthy people can invest eight hundred thousand to one
million dollars in this country and higher Americans in low
income areas. Ten Americans and low income areas they can
get EB five visa, a green cart and citizenship on
like a seven year process, a fast track to citizenship,
but it's eight hundred thousand to one million dollars. In
(34:28):
low income areas, they can't have visas H one B
or H two B visas. It has to be ten
American citizens over that time period. A lot of problems
with the system, tons of fraud, you know, it's a big,
big thing. Like Chuck Schumer loves it because he was
able to get a lot of projects on Manhattan, which
is not a low income area, but they would draw
districts into Central Park anyway. Lots of fraud, lots of problems,
(34:51):
lots of issues. So in his statement, Trump and the
Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick sit there and say, the
problem with the EB five is there's too many regulations
on it. We want an easy five million dollars you
get in the country one two three with the promise
that they'll bring jobs. Well, if there's no strings attached,
well then there's no promise that they're going to bring jobs.
(35:12):
Is only going to hire Americans. They could just create
an LLC and Delaware say they made a business. It
doesn't really matter. Okay, let's say he doesn't. He's promising
up to the Lutins those two hundred and fifty thousand people,
which is a one point two five trillion dollar payouts
in the American government for Trump says it could be
ten million through fifty trillion. First of all, there are
(35:33):
not ten million people in the world that have five
million dollars of easy capital. So the only way that
they'd get ten million people is if you have foreign
government sponsoring people, which is problematic from what me.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Let me pause you here for a sec because I
did I like this policy. But I'm not going to
get into the back and forth right now, because I
do think one of the questions that I had that
was most significant is what a lot of people would
call a total total addressable market. That is, Buck and
Eye were debating Ryan, how many people actually have five
(36:04):
million dollars liquid right? That is, you could stroke a
check for five million dollars. You're saying there's only ten million, Like,
where does that number come from?
Speaker 6 (36:14):
According to according to the Hell Heleni Partners, right. This
is a rapport from twenty twenty four. Of the wealthiest
people in the world, sixteen million people have five million
dollars at least thirty Because if you have five million dollars,
a lot of it's tied up into your property and
to your thisa so.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
That's why so cut you off.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
That's why we said yesterday, and a lot of people
kind of push back that there's a difference between having
a house that's valuable and being a millionaire and being
able to write a check with one million dollars liquid.
What I asked, and I think this is important, sorry
to cut you off, is five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
This basically means if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Buy a painting, right you're at a fabulous event, you
could just stroke a check five million dollars and that
cash would be out in a week or whatever. It is, Right,
how many people can actually do that? He is in
some respect the total addressable market.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
The Kabenighi Research Institute put out this is only two
point six million people worldwide have that kind of money,
and a third of them already live in the United States.
So you're talking about maybe one point eight million people
globally have that kind of money.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
That seems low to me.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
But that is, if that is accurate, then it would
suggest the high end of this policy best case scenario
is not actually very high.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
It's not very very high to begin with. And let's
say they were to get a million people and get
five trillion dollars into the government's hands. Five trillion dollars
is what we spend on the deficit in every two
years we could the Congress could piss away this money
shorter than you could have Irish twins. That's how quickly
(37:50):
we're spending money.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I get it, Ryan, But wouldn't it be a good
thing if it were possible to say, for every single
dollar we bring in in the mean that there is
a market for this, everything goes to paying down the debt.
It doesn't go anywhere else. In other words, I get
your argument. Five trillion on a thirty six trillion dollar
national debt is not a massive difference, but it's better
(38:13):
than nothing, right and right now my argument.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah, I agree with you, But the problem is, I'm
not talking to debt. I'm just talking the deficit. I'm
talking what we will accumulate if we put it to
the debt that will be back in twenty twenty seven. Like, yeah,
I would agree with you, Hunt. If we were deficit neutral,
I would one hundred percent agree with you. That's a
great way of paying down the debt. We're not deficit neutral.
(38:39):
We run a two trillion dollar debt. That's the problem. Sorry,
two trillion dollar deficit every year. So that deficit is
going to replace this entire thing for a million people
plus their family members, which is a larger population that
decided the last three presidential elections. So they will have
(38:59):
a right to vote within five years. This is what
Trump's saying, fast track the citizenship, right to vote anywhere.
He's saying China can apply for it. Russian oliguts can
buy for it. Anyone can have been a lot in
the family could apply for it. Anyone can apply with
it this they have five million in cash, they could
apply for this gold card visa, get citizenship in a
five year period, and be voting before Jdvans is running
(39:21):
in twenty twenty eight. That is what Trump is offering
these people. This is and four, by the way, something
that will not last toward the end of his entire
first term.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, can I ask, can I ask a question right
about that. Do we understand what the legality of this
would be in terms of you know a lot of stuff,
Clay And I think I've seen this with some of
the big executive orders and everything. So far, it's going
to go to the courts. Right, we knew the Anchor
Baby thing going to the courts. We know someone is
going to the courts. How would the president be able
to do this without congressional action or would he need
(39:54):
congressional action? It seems to me he would.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
Yeah. So the EB five visa, we give out ten
thousand in a year. That's it. So he's basically saying
we're going to increase the EB before we're going to
replace the EB five visa, increase all the numbers and
increase the caps beyond the congressional limit. He doesn't have
that authority at all, so that would be immediately and
in the course, what he would do is do a
parole authority, which is what Biden was doing and Obama
(40:20):
was doing to allow all these illegal aliens. And parole
was a presidential power for people who were like their
parents were dying in the United States and they wanted
to fly out, but they didn't have a correct visa.
A president would parole a single person, and then under
ob Obama started parolling millions of people, and Biden even
exacerbated the issue. Trump's been very against parole authority during
(40:40):
his first term and during a second. That's really his
only loophole. But there's not a legality into getting a
green card from that. So you're asking very wealthy, high
income people who could probably get a citizenship the long way,
very very easily, by saying we're going to short term
it by this parole program that I don't really have
legal authority for two. So you're going to be in
(41:01):
the gray zone for quite a bit of time while
we sell this in courts. I don't think a lot
of wealthy individuals unless they are sponsored by governments, which
he did not sit there and say if he's against
or four. He was saying, anyone could qualify Russian Holigarts,
the Chinese, everybody, and by the EB five ye is
that you cannot be You cannot be sponsored by a
foreign country. You have to have the cash yourself. That
(41:23):
doesn't make any sense, like there's no there is no
way to sit there and get and get these kinds
of people in if they're being going to be okay
being in a gray legal authority for a year or
possibly his entire four year term.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
What do you like about what Trump is doing so
far on immigration policy? Ryan, Let's take his let's take
this to a happy place for a minute.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Now.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
I agree, O listen the mass deportations. I like him.
I hope they go out faster, I think. Listen, if
Trump gets the birthright citizenship case in his favor and
he ends birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, I don't care
if he sleeps for the next four years. I don't
care what he does. He will be one of the
greatest presidents and most consequential, not only of my lifetime,
of the last century. This is one of the worst
(42:07):
things that's going on in our country and hasn't for
a long time. It's amazing that he's taking this huge, huge,
huge scamble on this as part of his early earliness agenda.
That is great. But the problem with Trump with this
EB five thing, like with the goazless ship thing, is
in his head he's always kind of making a resort. So, yeah,
you're going to make a resort in Gaza. You're gonna
(42:28):
sit there and make American into a resort and you
just have to pay, you know, five million dollars to
sit by the pool and get a martini. Serve to
you that that is the fundamental issue. So you can
have Howard Lutnick, who's former Caunter Fitzgerald CEO, billionaire donor
brain who sees America as a transactional proposition, you have
an issue. I believe America is for people who invested
(42:49):
in this country, not for five million dollars, but for
generations and build this country.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And there's okay.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
So let me ask you that we agree with a
lot of this stuff. Let me ask you this, what
policies have you heard from a Republican or Democrat that
are logical and makes sense that that would make sense
to get rid of some part of our thirty six
trillion dollar debt. Because here's my concern, Ryan, I think
(43:16):
of everything out there right now, to the extent that
I am concerned about things for the next one hundred years,
long after everybody listening now is gone. I think our
national debt is the biggest threat that America faces because
the more and more it grows, the less we can
allow the country to flourish, and the more foreign nations
(43:37):
can have entanglements because they own a substantial portion of
our debt.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
So what have you seen?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
I'm just curious this The reason I like this policy
is Trump's got a conversation going about trying to address it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
In a new way.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
What have you heard or seen? And you think, hey,
this does make sense? Because I do bet you agree.
The national debt is a huge mess.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
It's a huge, huge problem. And doen doge and coins
and goal visas are not going to solve the problem
of Congress not doing the work. You have to have Medicare,
Medicaid and social security reform. You have to have reform
the Department of Defense. You have to stop policing the world.
That is first and foremost. I think we should still
be suing government of China for COVID. I think we
(44:19):
should absolutely be suing for what they did to our
nation during COVID and the breakup of the debt that
we did then. And I've heard things about minting a
trillion dollar chip and sitting there and using that to
pay off the debt. I've heard of a lot of
different things. But Congress has to stop spending like drunken sailors.
Nothing that Elon Musk or a goal Visa or anybody
else will do as long as Congress is there and
(44:41):
spends us into oblivion. We have to stop letting Congress
just endlessly sit there and just spend money, money, good money,
chasing bad projects. Has to stop.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Ryan Gerdusky, everybody play anything else? We good?
Speaker 7 (44:54):
All right?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, I mean he's.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Totally wrong on this. Congratulations on the baby. By the way,
do you have any tip for Buck on fatherhood? As
Buck will soon be a father in the next like
six eight weeks.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
You everything that you say, a lot of your selfish,
selfish needs all go out the window and you will lose.
The whole joke of you'll lose sleep is not a joke.
You will just go days without sleeping like you think
you will.
Speaker 9 (45:19):
So but good luck.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
I mean it's great, it is great, but it is
there is no sleep. I mean there's just no sleep
for the first.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
A lot of a lot of sunshine and rainbows for
mister Gerdusky today on the radio.
Speaker 6 (45:29):
Show, I'm in one of those sleep modesal.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, go check out the It's a Numbers Game podcast
on the Clay End Buck Network and subscribe to Ryan Substack,
the National population newsletter. Mister Gradski, go get some sleep.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (45:41):
Thank you.
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Up to Maine, where state Representative Laurel Libby has been
fighting a battle that I think most of you who
are listening to us in Maine will agree with, and
certainly the vast majority of you listen listening nationwide will
agree with as well. Laurel, your governor was Janet Mills,
I believe, on Friday, directly confronted by President Trump over
(47:39):
whether she was going to continue to allow men who
identify as women to be competing in women's sporting events.
She said she was. She said she was going to
sue Trump. You've been fighting back against this absurdity. What
is the latest on the ground in Maine, and what
has happened to you for being as out spoken in
(48:00):
favor of a crazy idea men should compete against men
and women should compete against women.
Speaker 9 (48:06):
Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for having me on today. You know,
Governor Mills is completely out of touch with her constituency.
The vast majority of manors do not agree with her
extremist viewpoint that biological meals should be paying female sports.
They support commonsent and ensuring face and level playing fields,
(48:29):
and so most folks are quite disappointed to see Governor
Mills having this standoff with President Trump when he's simply
speaking up and standing up for main girls where our
governor should be. Frankly, I have been now censured for
my views because of a post that I made on Facebook,
(48:50):
and my right to vote my constituents and speak on
the floor is now has now been as of this week,
because becuzz of speaking up for me and girls.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Well, Laurel, let's get into what exactly happened here my understanding.
Our understanding is that you posted on Facebook last week
showing a trans student, so a man or a young
man or whatever winning a female state championship pole vaulting competition.
(49:23):
So oh, here was this is the quote, I believe
another day, another instance of an unremarkable biological male athlete
who couldn't win against other males dominating girls' sports. That
is a statement of largely at least a statement of fact.
I mean, I guess they could say there's some aspect
of opinion in there, but that's also protected by the
First Amendment. What are you being censured for? What is
(49:44):
the problem according to the people who think you need
to be censored?
Speaker 9 (49:48):
Yeah, you know that's not even the post I'm being
censured for. The post I'm being censured for was on
Facebook and it simply highlighted that John had won fifth
place at a regional competition last year, and that as
Katie this year he won the state championships. He last
participated as a male as a young man last year
(50:10):
in June, and now this February he's winning a state
championship as a quote unquote girl. It is absolutely, completely,
without question, completely unfair. He has displaced biological females from
their rightful place at the top of that podium. And
the left are incredibly angry that this has been pointed
(50:35):
out and that everyone in Maine and across the country
can see that the Emperor has no clothes and that
this is absolutely going on in our state, and they
think it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
So let's go into this.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
In particular, Trump lost the state of Maine by seven
points on a political basis in twenty twenty four. He
won one electoral vote in the northern part of the state.
Because Maine, it's electoral votes. What percentage you live in Maine.
We've taken a lot of calls from people in Maine,
gotten a lot of reaction. What percentage of the residence
(51:10):
of the state of Maine do you think agree with
virtually everything that you are saying.
Speaker 9 (51:16):
I think that Maine follows the national eighty percent polling.
And I say that because I've had so much outreach
from Democrats, and so I try to be careful talking
about this because this is an issue where Augusta Democrats,
those in power are outliers. I think from what I'm
(51:37):
seeing that by and large, Maine Democrats at ordinary, everyday
manors all of these national trends, this eighty twenty where
sixty three percent of Democrats, you know, ninety some percent
of Republicans. I think we follow on those lines. It's
an eighty twenty issue in Maine. I can't tell you
how many Democrats I have heard from in our state
(51:59):
who specifically on ify they say, I am a Democrat,
you are right?
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Or speaking to Maine State Representative Laurel Libby, and Laurel,
let me ask you, why do you think the governor
of your state, apart from the ideological adherence to this right,
are there special interests that she's trying to play kate
to your knowledge? Is it? Are there donors or big
NGOs or something that are have given her a lot
(52:26):
of campaign money? Because it just seems to your point,
it's an eighty twenty issue, it's rather straightforward. The photo
you shared of the bilog, I mean, it's a man, Okay,
it's a young man competing against women. Anyone can see
this and realize it is absurd and it's wrong. So
is there any outside reason, or any external reason beyond
ideology that is making the in your opinion, making the
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governor of Maine take this bizarre position?
Speaker 9 (52:52):
Yeah, you know, I think it's multifactorial. It's certainly catering
to their base, which I think is a political or
on their part because they're so off, But I think, yeah,
I think that they just don't think that they can lose.
And that's the thing. They've gotten really cocky, because you know,
Governor Mills is in six years now and has another
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two years in this second term, and the Democrats have
maintained a majority for those six years, despite the fact
that they are flushing Maine down the toilet. This is
far from the only extreme policy that has been passed
in our state, but this is the first time that
I've seen such a significant awakening to how extreme their
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policies are. And Governor Mills is not used to being
challenged by anyone who has the power to actually take action,
so this is the first time she is facing a
significant challenger to the tyranny going on in our state.
So I think there's multiple factors at play here, but
I think one of those is just a feeling that
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they're impervious, which I think is going to be proven
very wrong.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Would you ever believe, Laurel that we would have a
situation where the Democrat Party would basically support men who
are identifying as women being able to compete in women's sports,
and Republicans would say, hey, we don't do this, and
to your point, this is not really a political issue.
Sixty seven percent of Democrats agree with that statement. Seventy
nine percent, as you mentioned earlier, this according the New
(54:24):
York Times of people nationwide, ninety four percent of Republicans.
It's hard to get eighty percent of people to agree
on anything. We've got eighty percent agreement here. There's a
vote coming up on the Senate floor Monday. Senator John
Thune's office just sent me a message to make us
aware they wanted me to share with the audience that
they are going to vote to try to pass the
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law in the Senate that has already passed the House.
Isn't this just basic common sense, Laurel.
Speaker 9 (54:50):
Yeah, it is just basic common sense. But you know,
the main Democrat party is not known for common sense.
So let's make that really clear. They don't have an
abundance of that. It's in short supply here in Maine.
And so it does not surprise me at all that
we are here because they are out of touch with
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their manor with fellow manors in so many other ways
as well. This is just the most recent illustration of it.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Do you have any interest, Oh, go ahead, Claig, go ahead, No,
I was just.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Going to say, do you have any sense on how
Susan Collins comes down on this? Because she's up for
reelection in twenty twenty six and that's the biggest statewide
battle I would imagine that will happen in the near future.
Has she reached out any of her staff? Do you
have a sense of what she thinks about this debate?
Speaker 9 (55:40):
Yeah, you know, I've seen her quoted in speaking up
that girl sports should should be for girls and not
biological males. I believe that she was also quoted saying
that it's a state issue, so you know, walking that
tearful line that she does.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Any interest in running for governor yourself at some point
sounds like this might be might be a good job
for you.
Speaker 9 (56:06):
I've certainly been hearing that question a lot, But right
now my focus is on main girls and their rights,
which are being absolutely trampled in our states. But I
think we have a window of opportunity here, thanks to
the Trump administration, to tackle that and hopefully ensure that
main girls have a fair and level playing field. At
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some point in the near future. It won't happen because
of state intervention that's absolutely one hundred percent in my book.
But I have hope that thanks to the administration, we might.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
See changed outstanding stuff. Laurel.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
We appreciate you reaching out, Laurel Libby, State Rep. In Maine,
fighting for basic common sense when it comes to women's.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Sports related issues.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Laurel, we appreciate the time and keep us updated on
how things are going up there.
Speaker 9 (56:58):
Thanks so much.
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