Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 11 2025

1.) Things are going to get messy before they get better with government cuts and spending
      -President Biden's autopen.
      -Fixing the country isn't going to happen overnight 
      -Government efficiency. Inflation.  Social engineering.
      -Democrats change their mind in the moment for power. 
      -There is no accountability in Washington, DC. 
      -The bureaucrats are keeping you like a hamster on a treadmill.  

2.) Explaining tariffs
      -Reciprocal tariffs. 
      -Smoot Hawley tariff. 
      -Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize-winning economist.  
      -DC based foreign policy consensus is a lot like the economic consensus. 
      -The threat of tariffs creates an even more playing field. 
      -Trade wars.  
      -Trump's economic record is strong. 

3.) DOGE is doing the right thing
      -Entities that rely on the federal bureaucracy
      -Lunatic leftists lighting Tesla's on fire
      -Elon is a threat to the 
      -The apparatus needs fraud to continue to avoid the accountability                                 -Senator Mark Kelly compares Musk to a 12-year-old. 
      -Elon Musk says the cyber-attack on X originated from IP addresses "in the Ukraine area."       

 

4.) Buck's Free Speech Questions
      -Speaker of the House Mike Johnson 
      -The difference between free speech and violent protests. 
      -Mahmoud Khalil, a former graduate student at Columbia, arrested by ICE agents and threatened with deportation 
      -Antisemitic protests. 
      -The pendulum will swing, keep that in mind.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis
en Buck Sexton Show. Arman Clay on a much deserved
vacation and college tour with his oldest boy, so he'll
be back with us on Monday. He's taken the week
to do the family stuff and enjoy himself. We hoped him.
Laura and the kids are having a great time. We

(00:23):
have a lot of news to dive into today, and
things are heating up. I think you could say that
the initial honeymoon period with the media, not that they
wanted to give us one, but they were so shocked
that they couldn't even figure out a way to oppose
Trump effectively in public, that is starting to fade as

(00:44):
they scream recession, recession, and authoritarianism. So we shall discuss
where all this is coming from. We got Congress right
now wrangling over the Continuing Resolution. There's government shutdown talk,
oh boy, up on Capitol Hill. We will discuss this.
Trump announcing new tariffs on Canada. So he's going to

(01:09):
impose fifty percent tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. We'll
discuss this. This is a retaliatory tariff. There's a lot
of back and forth over the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil,
an anti American pro Hamas pro Palestinian activist on a

(01:30):
student visa. I think that's a discussion we should get
into in a little bit. You've also got the aftermath
of Dylan mulvany on The View. It turns out the
ladies of the View are as disconnected from reality and
cognitively limited as we had always assumed here on the show,

(01:53):
or we had always discussed, And we shall get into
all of that and more. Also, take a bunch of
your calls eight hundred two two two eight eight, thank you.
And I'll just say this, my friends, it is important
to note that this was all what we should have
expected when you try to change the system, when you

(02:14):
take it upon yourself to challenge the way things are
done in the biggest, most expensive government in the history
of the world, which I think is fair to say,
no one else is spending the trillions that we have spent,
or we have gotten used to spending. No one else
has ever gotten thirty six trillion US dollars or the equivalent.
I don't know, maybe we could go back to ancient

(02:35):
Rome or something, but nobody else has run this up
the way that we have in the modern era. We've
got some real problems to fix. Right. The initial flurry
of executive orders from Trump was fantastic. It was it
was time for us all to high five, do backflips.
And like I said, if you remember you were listening
to us at the time, I said, enjoy this. Go

(02:57):
out this weekend, crack a beer or a chardonnay, or
whatever it is you like to you know, in my case,
some stevious sweetened water. Go go enjoy yourself and enjoy
the victory that Trump had over all the forces trying
to stop him. Enjoy the victory the Republicans had. Because

(03:19):
things are gonna get messy, and we're entering the messy phase. Now.
It's not going to be what they're telling you it is,
which is that somehow this is all going to fall
apart and the economy is so bad and it's all
Trump's fault. That is to be expected from an anti
Trump media that has lied to you about absolutely everything.

(03:40):
I've seen that, even with the the Heritage Foundation, I
think it's the accountability project they have. They've looked at
the signatures, the auto pen signatures of Biden on a
bunch of his well, a bunch of things that he
officially signed, and some of them don't match up. And
this under a normal president, Under a cognitively functioning president,

(04:03):
you might say, well, you know, people use autopens. Did
Biden even know all the things he was signing? And
if he didn't know all the things he was signing,
it's not really law, is it if some advisor just
effectively forged his signature. Right? It's one thing for a
president to have an autopen signature. Go, yes, my hand
is tired. Auto that has happened before. We know this. Oh,

(04:25):
I'm not discounting that reality. But if a president isn't
even aware of what is being signed in his name,
is is that a thing that we don't pay attention to?
Does that not have consequences? I think it clearly should.
But I bring it up because we have entered a
new era now where we have a president who is
very much engaged and advisors who are on a mission.

(04:48):
This is not the business as usual presidency. This is
not even the Trump as we got to know him presidency,
as in Trump one point oh. This is clearly Trump
two point oh. This is something elevated and beyond the
first go round. There was a lot of on the
job learning. There were personnel decisions and mistakes. Let's just

(05:10):
be honest about this. Trump is honest about it. He
fired a bunch of people. He has had people turn
against him who owe their careers to him, now in
the media, but then in government. So there was a
learning curve, and there was there was, i think from
the Trump team also the surprise of having to deal
with not just the media going all out against him,

(05:33):
but we remember the Russia collusion hoax and the media, Democrat,
intelligence community complex, the apparatus all going at Trump with
everything that they had, and it slowed things down. This
time around, they have thrown everything at him, and they
have been shown incapable of stopping him from getting to

(05:55):
his second term. A magnificent thing, an incredible comeback. That's
what I told you. Enjoy it. Don't just look at
the fight ahead. You know, when you win the big
game before you go to the state championship, you still
go out and celebrate. The election victory was huge. Now
we get to fixing the country. And fixing the country
isn't going to be something that just happens overnight or

(06:18):
even in the first quarter or two of Trump's urn.
Remember he hasn't even been an office two months, and
they're saying, oh, look at the price of eggs, look
at the stock marker, look at noise. This is noise.
And there's also an important perception management that has to

(06:38):
go on here where if you're going to contract government
and if we have become for GDP purposes reliant on
government's expansion, as in too much spending the government just creates,
creates the perception of additional value. It's just numbers on
a screen, or it's paying bureaucrats who do nothing. I

(06:59):
mentioned you yesterday twenty five percent of new jobs under
Biden government jobs. The government is putting out twenty five
percent of the new jobs that are being created over
the course of an entire twenty twenty three I think,
and twenty twenty four is close to it, if not
the same, that's not making any of us better off.
That is just expanding the scope and price tag of

(07:21):
the government itself. To deal with that though, it's a
little bit like going on a diet something I know about,
because you're going to be hungry, and if we have
to be hungry here when it comes to government spending
a little bit. This is the thing it's all about.
It's all about proportion, it's all about balance. Trump is
trying to restore balance, Elon Doze, They're trying to restore

(07:45):
sanity in the way that the government spends, in the
way that the government takes your money in your name
and puts it to use, in many cases, very bad use,
in some cases, just effectively lighting money on fire. To
stop that process from happening, there's going to be fierce opposition,
which we have already seen, right, especially when you start

(08:07):
to touch these NGOs. I think it was Elon who said,
and it's so right. How is it a non government
organization if the government is entirely responsible for funding it,
that's just a cutout. That's what we would call it
intelligence circles, right, that's a carve out, it's a proxy.
So something was very wrong with that whole situation, and

(08:27):
now many of us are far more aware of it
than we ever we ever had been in the past.
So that's an important win. And now we're looking at
the beginning of stopping the spending juggernaut from just rampaging
forward toward forty trillion dollars of debt. It's not going
to be easy, and it is not going to be

(08:49):
without a little bit of rumbling along the way. There's
there's going to be some moments where things are going
to look a little bit tougher than they might have
been if we just continued spending. But we can't continue
the spending. And this is why Trump has come out
and said that he wants to put the country on

(09:10):
a firmer economic footing. He wants to do what he
can so that This isn't just about what the stock
market looks like now, it's how far is your paycheck
going in a year, in two years, in five years.
This is about turning around a massive part of the

(09:34):
economic engine here so that it is and really redoing
parts of it so that it can function more efficiently
for everyone. Because we've seen what the inflation has done
to your ability to pay your rent. We've seen if
you are asset light in this economy, meaning if you
don't own a lot of stuff that is productive, stocks,

(09:55):
real estate, things like that, if you don't know, then
that all gets infla along with the inflation. And so
what it does is it squeezes those who are working
for paychecks for a living, which is the vast majority
of the American people. Those who are doing work and
trying to get ahead and just trying to pay their

(10:16):
bills and do it the right way, they have a
tougher time, and it is effectively attacks on them to
continue to spend at the levels we have currently seen.
This has to be addressed, This has to be changed.
And this is also why you will see Democrats are
You'll notice there's no spending that they really want to cut.

(10:37):
They like the control that this gives them. There's a
tremendous amount of social engineering that is possible when you're
spending so much money that nobody even knows what you're
spending it on or who's getting it. It is such
a shield. It is such a shroud for corruption because
if you don't if no one really knows where the
money's going. The numbers are so big and there's so

(10:59):
many things, how can you ever get a handle on this.
This is where Trump and Elon and Doge come in
and the fight over the government shutdown. I have a
tough time getting all that energized about this. One way
or the other. We've been through this before. It's a

(11:21):
lot of brinksmanship and blame game stuff, and eventually the
government will be funded if they allow it to be
defunded temporarily or the funding to run short. I believe
Trump then is in a position to just decide what
is considered essential and what keeps running. So there's that.
But here is Speaker Johnson who is trying to wrangle

(11:42):
all of this, and he's saying that it's Democrats who
are taking this to the point where there could be
a shutdown. Play one.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
They're planning to vote down the simple Bill. They are
going to try to shut the government down. Every House
Democrat will participate on this. It looks like that would
be a shame if it's true. I hope some of
them will have a moment of clarity themselves and do
the right thing. But it looks like they're going to
try to shut down the government. It's a striking new
posture for Democrats who have always said they spend apoplectic
about the prospect of government shutdowns. Democrats have been insisting

(12:14):
they're fighting for federal workers. You're about to see again
on vivid display very clear the contrast. You will see
one team that is working to fund the government and
make sure we do the responsible thing. And you're going
to see another posing as r because they've now exposed
the truth. They're not for federal workers, they're not for anyone.
All the people they've said in the past that are
going to be harmed would be by their votes.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
This is one of the challenges of opposing Democrats is
that they stand for whatever they need to stand for
in the moment. They change their mind on everything. They
change their principles as if they have any They change
what they believe in. It doesn't It's about power, and
when you're talking about the government and how it spends money,
there might be no more clear abuse of power that

(12:58):
Democrats can engage in then what we see, which is
spending us all into oblivion. Tackling this is a critical issue.
I've said it from the very beginning. Are borders and
the government cutting it down to side, cutting the spending down,
cutting the bureaucray down the two most important missions of
the Trump administration. We've seen excellent work at the border

(13:20):
so far. Thank you Tom Homan and team, and credit
to DHS Secretary Nome. Credit to the people that are
doing what is necessary to secure our border. So that
it's ninety five percent down for illegal crossings. Interior enforcement
is the harder problem. I will always be honest with you.
That is even more challenging, and that will require more
political will and more infrastructure. It's millions, it's tens of

(13:42):
millions of people that you're talking about who are at
least possible deportees. And then you have tackling the government beast.
You see, the Democrats had created a system where they
win no matter what, even when they lose elections, they
win because the spending is automatic, because the bureaucracy is huge,
because there's no accountability in DC, and it's just one

(14:04):
free for all with your money, you go to work,
you spend your life and your time trying to be
productive and provide for your family. And the shenanigans in
DC means that you're a hamster on a treadmill that
keeps going faster and faster and faster, and how are
you supposed to keep up? That's not good. And Trump
recognizes that his team sees what's going on and they

(14:27):
are taking steps to make this better. It's not going
to be perfect, it's not going to be quick, and
it's not going to be that easy. There's going to
be a little bit of disruption. The markets may be
in some tumult here for a few months. Of course,
of course, when you're correcting a problem, there tends to
be right in. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

(14:49):
When you stop overspending, it's going to feel like things
are a little lean sometimes, but for a vast majority
of people. I truly believe it's vast degory of Americans.
This is clearly the way it has to be done,
and it has to be done now. By the midterms,
we're back to business as usual. By the midterms 're

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Speaker 3 (16:18):
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Speaker 1 (16:26):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Let's talk tariffs for
a moment. For a moment. All right, strap in, it's
gonna get wild. We're gonna talk a little tariff econ
one oh one history. Maybe we'll dive into the Smoot
Hawley tariffs back in what the thirties, this is This
is a moment where I think it's important to look

(16:50):
at the basics because things are getting a little bit
feisty on the tariff front. And let me just give
you the news on this, and then we'll do a
little bit of a deep dive into the analysis. Donald
Trump from Truth Social I'm quoting now based on Ontario,
Canada placing a twenty five percent tariff on electricity coming

(17:12):
into the United States. I've instructed my Secretary of Commerce
to add an additional twenty five percent tariff to fifty
percent tariff on all steel and aluminum coming into the
United States from Canada, one of the highest tariffing nations
anywhere in the world. Okay, So he says, this will
go into effect tomorrow morning, March twelve. He says Canada

(17:34):
must drop their anti American farmer tariff of two hundred
and fifty percent on various US dairy products. I'll declare
a national emergency in electricity within the threatened area. This
will allow the US to do what needs to be
done to alleviate this abusive threat from Canada. Okay, couple
thanks here. First of all, as we've already established, because
this is so important I understand the economic consensus, such

(17:59):
as it exists among among economists is that tariffs are
almost like it's like a sales tax or it's just
it's a tax that consumers pay and it lessens aggregate demand,
and so they just say that's bad. They just view
tariffs bad. They want total free trade. That's the least theoretically.

(18:20):
The problem with this, and this is why I gave
economists a little rough stuff yesterday. The problem with this
is that there are a lot of tariffs and a
lot of protectionist policies in place all over the world already,
including with our neighbors Mexico and Canada. So we're not
starting from a place of everything is level. Why are

(18:43):
you making it not level with your tariff. This is
where we get to reciprocal tariff, right in the word reciprocal.
They're doing this to us, and so we do something
in response. If if my neighbor Clay hates leaf blowers,
and by the way, he has spot on leaf blowers
drive me insane too. If my neighbor is using a

(19:04):
leaf blower super loudly and they won't stop at you know,
seven o'clock at night, eight o'clock at night, because as
we know, this is leaf blower should be a nine
to five thing. You shouldn't wake anybody up, You shouldn't
keep anybody from going to sleep anyway. Some of you
are going to take issue with that, but you're wrong.
If I then start playing loud music, if I start

(19:26):
blasting Beethoven over the fence so that they get the hint,
I'm not the noise polluter. I'm engaged in a reciprocal
act of noisemaking so that they will stop. Although maybe
they'll just love the Beethoven. This is a total digrette,
you know what. I'll come to this later. I actually
experience something in Nashville when it comes to classical music
I thought was fascinating. But I'll tell you about that

(19:48):
in a moment. I don't want to I don't I
don't want to weave too much. I don't want to
weave too much Trump weaves. I weave without clay. Here
my weave can sometimes spin off into So I'm going
to get back on the tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, meaning they
are doing this to us. Why would a country, why
would Canada have a two hundred and fifty percent tariff

(20:08):
on our dairy going across the border unless there were
some benefit to them. Of course, there is some benefit
to your domestic producers and domestic industry. And so that's
why other countries do this to us, right, I mean,
we're just we're just looking at this logically. Put aside,
you know, whether somebody is Paul Krugman is an economist

(20:31):
who got a Nobel prize, the guys a moron. So
you know, it's not like we have to just sit
there and say, oh, whatever you say. Economists. Now you
look at individual tariffs on individual on an individual basis,
and you realize they are a tool. It is a tool,
just like for example, sanctions saying now that's a more

(20:54):
that's more aggressive. But you know, sanctions are a tool,
sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes good sometimes bat it depends.
It is case dependent. And this is what gets lost
in so much of the discussion about this because people
just say they have this this automatic wave of the hand,
will all the economists say, And I'm like, you know,

(21:16):
what do all the economists really know? You know, you
got to ask that question what they what have they
gotten right about the economy recently? Not a whole lot. Now,
there are obviously exceptions to this. We have some great economists,
and we've had Art Laugher on the show and Steve
Borr on the show, and they're brilliant guys out there.
But I mean, the it's like the same thing with
the foreign policy consensus. If you listen to the DC

(21:38):
based foreign policy consensus, there's not a war we shouldn't fight,
there's not an invasion we shouldn't do. You know, America
is the global police and they've been very wrong and
we've paid a heavy price for this. With the so
called economic consensus, we have been on the receiving end

(21:58):
of tariffs and what you could say our trade war
acts for a long time, and we don't do anything
in response. This is where Trump was right on the
issue of China in his first term, and the DC
consensus was so remember I say DC consensus because a
lot of Republicans. It's not just Democrats opposed Trump period. Democrats.
You know, Trump says, hey, it's a nice day, and

(22:19):
they're like, it's a terrible day. Seventy five degrees and
breezy is terrible. They don't care. But there are Republicans
that go along with this as well. There are Republicans
that decide, Oh, I disagree with Trump on this issue,
and they were proven wrong in the first term on
China in my opinion, and I think in everyone's opinion,
because even Biden kept a lot of the Trump China

(22:40):
policies in place on trade. We want to get them
to stop doing what they're doing. So we are then
creating the threat of tariffs, creates and even a more
even playing ground for our producers and our consumers. Why
should we have less access to their market than they
have to ours. Ah And this is again where it's

(23:01):
a tool. Now we have the premiere of Ontario, Doug
Ford here talking tough about terrif fights with Trump play
this one.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Let me be clear. I will not hesitate to increase
this charge if necessary if the United States escalates, I
will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely. Believe
me when I say I do not want to do this.
I feel terrible for the American people because it's not
the American people who started this trade war. It's one

(23:33):
person who's responsible. That's President Trump. I'd rather be working together.
I want to sell the US more energy, g G,
more electricity, more critical minerals. I want to make Canada
in the United States the richest, most successful, safest.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh yeah, it anyway, The point is he's throwing down
with Trump.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Now.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
They're saying they're going to make our electricity cost more,
specifically to Minnesota, Michigan, and New York which get electrics
across across the border from from Canada. So they're gonna
drive up energy prices on us. Trump is saying, don't worry,
we're gonna handle this. Here's the way to handle it.
We want also things that aren't necessarily purely economic as well,

(24:13):
which is where more so with Mexico, but also with Canada.
We want border cooperation. So see people say again tariffs
are a tool. Okay, will something be Will something be
more expensive as a result of tariff, particularly over a
relatively short period of time, Yes, But are there more
important things than the cost of goods in that one
sector for that period of time. This is a decision

(24:37):
to be made, right, What is more important that we
keep I don't know the cost of textiles brought in
from Mexico. I think those are even brought in mostly
from Southeast Asia now, But whatever were the cost of avocados,
That's what we always Oh my gosh, if we do
anything with Mexico and trade, you're your avocado toast is

(24:57):
going to be And that's always a cheap shot. They
take at US Millennial and gen Z with the avocado
toast is delicious, but they say, your avocado is going
to be so expensive? All right, If a fifty percent
increase in the cost of avocados is something that we're
willing to bear in order to get a fifty percent
reduction in I don't know sentinel seizures at the border.

(25:21):
Is that worth it? Again, it is a tool. It's
something that Trump is using. Did Trump blow up the economy?
And this is the other part of this I get
too as well. Did Trump blow up the economy in
the first administration when he was doing these different maneuvers
on trade, when he negotiated the US Canada Mexico agreement.
What is the record of Trump on the economy? Phenomenally strong? Right?

(25:43):
Who knows more than Trump, who has been in a
position of leadership, who's been a president in recent memory?
No one, No one is better on the economy than Trump.
I would say, as president in my lifetime, better than Bush,
better than Obama, better, obviously better than Biden. I mean,
you can go back to Reagan, but there are some

(26:04):
things that would I would quibble with when it comes
to some of well, really on immigration with Reagan, that's
where we have a departure, more so than on the economy. Nonetheless,
I think that Trump has earned the leeway to pursue
these paths without people freaking out, at least on our side.
The Democrats are going to freak out no matter what,

(26:25):
but on our side of things, it's going to be
it's going to be a little bit of time, and
there's going to be a little bit of disruption, because
to be a disruptor to the system requires some disruption.
This is very straightforward. You're not going to fix this

(26:46):
stuff without there being a little bit of whoa okay,
And there's going to be kicking and screaming from bureaucrats
and the deep state and the Democrats and the anti
Trump media that's looking for anything to say that is
noive for Trump. So when we talk about tariffs, I
just think it's important to put it in the context

(27:07):
of one, it's a negotiating tool. Some of these tariffs
won't even go into effect. Two, the reciprocal tariffs they
are in response to, in a lot of cases, tariffs
that already exist with other countries. So we're saying, hey,
knock that off, and we'll knock this off. What's wrong
with that? I don't understand. Why why should we say
that other countries could punish our access to their markets

(27:28):
and punish our producers, but we can't do the same.
And then three, sometimes there are things that are more
important than an increase in the cost in a certain
industry at a certain time. This is really where I
get into the agreement on Mexico with Mexico on border issues,
that's a critical US national security and sovereignty interest. It's

(27:49):
not just about the price of avocados. So with that
in mind, I understand we don't want things to get crazy.
We don't want prices to skyrocket. The trumpet is sensitive
to it. But just remember the same people who are
criticizing this with the most fervor in the media and

(28:10):
in a commentariat, we're the ones who were telling you
that Joe Biden with sharp as attack. Why would you
believe them now? Why do they have credibility now on
this issue? So we give it some time, We let
this play out, We let Trump do what he does. Okay,
he's got Elon Musk. You got people running around Democrats,
Elon Musk is dumb. Anybody who tells you Elon Musk

(28:33):
is dumb shouldn't be listened to on anything. And I
don't know how they can even tie their own shoes.
They shouldn't be listened to on a single issue period,
full stop. All right, We've got very smart people. I
do not have concerns, especially on the economic and budget
cutting side of this administration. You have an all star
team that has been assembled. Look at the people who

(28:54):
are criticizing it. They when I said, look it's okay
to say I disagree with this tariff for that tariff,
that's fine. I mean the ones we're saying, we're session
it's gonna be terrible. They're trying to induce fear in
people to turn them against what Trump is trying to do.
This is the moment where we have to sort of
steal our spines and say, all right, let's go. We

(29:14):
wanted this ride, we said, we said Trump, I'm tall
enough for the roller coaster. Let's get on the roller coaster.
It's gonna be fun, it's gonna be great. But there
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Speaker 1 (31:30):
A couple of things for the Ombudsman here, which I
guess I have to play the Armbudsman for myself. Uh
for today uh, my wife pointed out as she was
listening on the way back in from being out, and
about that, I said, the three year I meant the
five year anniversary of the COVID lockdowns went into effect now,

(31:50):
and I want so much time on it because there's
a lot to talk about now. And that was five
years ago. But it was insane, and I am very
proud that I opposed the lockdowns by the first week
of I mean openly opposed the whole thing. As soon
as two weeks to slow over was it ten days
or two weeks? It is two weeks to slow the spread.
I'm even forgetting now ten days to slow the spread,

(32:13):
whatever it was. As soon as that was over, I
was like, Okay, let's go back to life. We gave
we gave the we gave the hospital capacity, we gave
them time to get ready and catch up, and then
they said no. And then we realized it was a
bait and switch. And then we realized that we were
getting a little trial run of authoritarianism, and it was
the health bureaucracy. It's like it had taken over the government,

(32:36):
and certainly at the state level, we saw just madness.
And I'm very very thankful to Donald Trump for allowing
the State of Florida. Remember he did not come down
hard and everyone wanted to oh the federal government. He
allowed the State of Florida to be a laboratory of
freedom during COVID and Governor DeSantis for being the best noun.

(32:57):
Nobody was perfect. Everybody had a little period of a
few weeks or so or a couple of months where
they were allowing restrictions in their states. But some people
figured out what was going on pretty quickly. In others,
like the Democrats, just kept getting crazier and crazier for years,
crazier and crazier so that I just wanted to know it. Yes,
it's five years, not three years, and it is amazing.

(33:20):
Now I really think of my life in my mind,
and I'm sure I'm not the only one. There are
two events, historical events that are my my sort of
before and after for periods. Right, It's like when did
the when did the medieval period turn into the Renaissance

(33:41):
turn into you know those time markers and it's nine
to eleven and COVID lockdowns. Those are just two things
in my mind that there's there was, there was the
before and after world that I lived in and the
before and after world that I lived in with COVID.
So those are two two things. The other bombs budsman

(34:02):
note that I would point out is, yes, I know
that I need a haircut. For those of you who
are watching on the video stream, no, I do not
use a weed whacker, and I think that's very mean.
So yes, I'm getting a haircut, probably probably even tomorrow.
I'll go see a couple of my I got a
couple of Cuban American friends here who do a great job,
nice and quick. They don't they don't want to like

(34:24):
get chatty with me. They just do a great job
cutting their hair. And they bring me the Cuban coffee
in a little just a little tiny bit of it.
That stuff is good, almost crocket level good. I'm telling
you all right. So yes, it is not in fact
a you know, I do not have a wooly mammoth
on my head. All these things that people say I'm true,

(34:47):
I'm true, fake news. No wooly mammoth on Buck's head.
So elon, musk, elon musk. Here is, first of all,
I wanted to note, because I brought it up yesterday,
that eck was down for a bit, and that's troubling
because X is now the first line social media platform

(35:08):
for free speech. I know about truth and Rumbull, I'm
on those platforms too, but X has broader reach. That's
why I was acquired forty forty four billion dollars or
whatever it is. And Elon said something that I just
have to know that this is very interesting and I'm

(35:29):
not a technical Well, yeah, clearly, I'm not a technological expert,
so I can't speak to how verified or verifiable this is.
But this has cut five. He said that the massive
attacks attack on X which shut it down various times
throughout the day, came from and he want to guess
play five.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
There was a cyber attack on X today which shut.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It down and may have been foreign sourced.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
It's a big story. You want to give us a
moment on that.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Well, we're not sure exactly what happened, but there was
a massive cyber attack to try to bring down the
X system with IP addresses originating in the Ukraine area.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
IP addresses in Ukraine. Now, maybe they were spoofed, mirrored.
I know there's ways to fit, but I think Elon's
a pretty sophisticated player when it comes to the Internet
and technology. So if anyone's going to be able to
get his team to figure out what really happened here,

(36:32):
I think he's very high on the list. I don't
know who would be much better at this. So if
he maybe he'll come out and say, oh, they mirrored
it and it was actually from somewhere else. I don't know.
He said it's not He even said it's not definitive
or all that clear, but it is interesting that that
might have happened. I'm just going to know that that

(36:52):
is a situation that we should pay some attention to.
Somebody in Ukraine would be taking it upon themselves. It
was sophisticated too. This is not something that I think
would be easy for some individual to just pull off.
What's what's wrong with people being able to share information
freely about the Ukraine and what's going on over there?
Why would anyone want to stop that? I think that

(37:13):
is very interesting. You had Senator Mark Kelly who wanted
to be I think Vice President Mark Kelly, but probably
made a smart decision not tying himself to the Kamala ticket.
To be fair, this is cut nine. He elon Musk

(37:35):
called him said that it's Mark Kelly went to Ukraine
on his own to do one of these Ukraine tours.
Elon didn't like it. I think he said that that's
a betrayal, or he's he's betrayed his country. He's a
trader for doing this. And here's what Mark Kelly said
about Elon in response, play nine thou.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
Me obmuously he's not a serious twelve year old, so
I don't think. And I served as our country in
the maybe twenty five years. When I was twenty two
years old, I swore an oath to defend the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I've lived that oath.

Speaker 7 (38:10):
My entire life. I'm I'm not sure if Elon has
sworn an oath to anything.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I was a guest.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
It's probably just billionaires like himself.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Wow, really we're gonna we're gonna do that? Huh. If
you start off saying you don't take Elon Musk seriously,
you shouldn't be taken seriously. What what could be a
dumber thing to say than the richest guy in the
world who's creating more. I thought Elon was amazing. I

(38:42):
read Elon's biography biography before he was red pilled on
the Trump trainer. The guy's just done incredible stuff, incredible
stuff that's changing the future and and providing a lot
of value to humanity in the process. He's he's not
He's not a serious person. If el Musk is not
a serious person, who is who is? You know, you

(39:04):
have to have to wonder about this assessment of him.
The work that Doze is doing is certainly serious and important.
And here he is Elon speaking about that. This is
cut seven. He just wants everybody to know how essential
Doze is. So essential to him. Here's a guy. Let
me just take a step back before we play that cut.

(39:24):
Elon is as part of his mission, specifically with SpaceX,
he wants us to get to Mars because he wants
humanity to be interplanetary in case something terrible happens here,
asteroid hit, nuclear war, whatever. Right. I think he actually
is a little worried about climate change. I hope he's
moderated that because I'm not saying Elon's right about everything,

(39:46):
but he wants us to be interplanetary, so he thinks
the survival of the human species over the long run
requires us to be a multiplanetary I'm sorry I said
inter multiplanetary planetary species. Now he is willing for free
to take time away from that mission to help Donald

(40:08):
Trump to try to fix the government in this country.
I think that goes to how important he thinks it is.
I also think anybody who tells you that Elon's only
in this for his billionaire friends is a moron. That's
just that's absurd. He's the richest guy in the money.
He's got more money than any other human being alive

(40:30):
in the world. There's seven billion people in the world.
He's the richest one, and you think that this is
all a game because he wants more money. I mean,
once you're worth a billion dollars, like, how much money
does how much value? Does money even have additional money?
It's a very steep decline. You know, your first one
hundred thousand dollars in the bank, I've been there building

(40:52):
it up. Makes a big difference that first one hundred grand,
first ten grand. If you don't have it, man, you
get that I got. I got a you know, a
couple of months or six months or whatever it is
of security in the bank. If I were to lose
my job, that really helps. Right when you're worth three
hundred billion dollars. Being worth three hundred and fifty billion
dollars doesn't get you out of bed in the morning. Okay,

(41:12):
nobody cares. So these attacks about that are absurd. And anyway,
here's what he says about Doge And how important is
this this cut seven plays? What motivates you to do this?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Well?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Supposed the opera good. It's tough setting.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
Yeah, it's tough sletting, but I think we're doing the
right thing here. There have been many orders that are
pointed out that there's trans amount of waste import in
the government. In fact, there was a report issued by
the gapao A, the govern Accountability Office last year so
during the Biden administration, which estimated the federal comment frauds the.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Half a trillion dollars.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
So, just because that's not a Trump administration, think it's
a Biden administration thing. So what we're trying to do
is get that number down to a much smaller figure.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Half a trillion dollars of fraud a Biden administration figure
based on government audits and estimates of five hundred billion dollars.
Why would any person not want him to end that? Well,
now you get into the ugly truth about the Democrat Party,

(42:26):
which is that a lot of stuff that does not
have support on its own is funded by the government.
A lot of ideologically toxic left wing stuff relies on
government funding, a lot of uniparty activity, and we're in
charge even when we lose elections, relies on the massive
federal bureaucracy, relies on the bureaucracy's ability to give a

(42:49):
lot of money to people that nobody even knows about.
We need this transparency and everyone should want it, and
that Democrat don't, and that they hate Elon. You got
lunatic Democrats who are lighting Tesla's on fire now as
some kind of anti Elon protest. You're not going to

(43:09):
bank bankrupt Elon by throwing a maltof cocktail in a
cyber truck in Oregon or whatever. You're just being an idiot, right,
which is not a surprise. But why do they hate
him so much? Because he's a threat to the ideological
system of the left. Because the ideological system of the left,

(43:30):
the apparatus as I have called it for a long time,
needs the fraud and needs to avoid and evade accountability
of the American people. That's why they get so upset
about this. That's why there's such rage about Elon specifically.
There is no good faith reason to be angry about

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Speaker 1 (45:16):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I was
mentioning before this story about Mahmood Khalil. This is getting
a lot of attention right now. New York Times and
others all in up in arms about this. So let's
let's look at what this story is. You will remember,

(45:37):
and we talked about it here on the show. There
were some just outrageous anti Semitic protests, and protest doesn't
really cover because some of it was threats, trespassing, destruction
of property. There were crimes that were committed. Now I'm

(45:59):
not saying these are all serious felonies or you know,
there's something, but there were there were crimes that were
committed on campus. And Trump has said that they can
either clean up their act or they're going to lose
I think they're set to lose hundreds of millions of
dollars at Columbia in federal grants. Why are private institutions
like Columbia getting hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money?

(46:19):
Very good question, something to be looked at. We're going
to look at that. But this case is interesting to me.
There's a lot of back and forth. The Speaker of
the House just you know, it's already gone up to
that level. Speaker of Ause Johnson took time from the
ongoing wrangling of Members of Congress or the continuing resolution

(46:41):
to address this, and he said that this is cut eighteen.
Here's Speaker Mike Johnson play it.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
If you're on a student visa, I'm gonna say this clearly.
If you were on a student visa and you're in
America and you're an aspiring young tearrist who wants to
prey upon your Jewish classmates, you're going home. We're going
to arrest your tale, and we're going to send you
home where you belong. And that this is just getting started.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
So look, I.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Appreciate free speech. I used to defend it in courts,
but this is far beyond the Pael of that when
you were threatening your classmates and spewing anti Semitism and
all this hatred. It's enough, and I think the American
people understand that they're supporting it, and I'm glad we
have a president who's strong enough to lay down the law.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So I've got a lot of thoughts about this, and
I do want to hear from some of your old
but we're going to be coming to close the show
here pretty soon, so maybe get your talkbacks, reading your
emails ready because they won't have that much time for calls.
Here's what I see on this. This guy was part
of these Columbia protests. Machmoud Khalil. We'll just call hi
Khalil from here here on out in Arabic class. My

(47:47):
Arabic name was Khaled, for those who want to know
back in the day. It's been a while I could
still write it, I guess if I had to. So yeah, anyway,
So this guy Khalil, he was arrested at his home
by ICE agents and is facing deportation. He's a big
pro Palestinian guy. Now, this is where it all gets

(48:09):
kind of. This is where a lot of the fighting happens,
right because they say, well, you're allowed to be pro Palestinian. Okay, yeah,
you're allowed to be pro Palestinian. Sure, I'm talking about
First Amendment stuff, But are you proposed, Tony, you're pro Hamas.
AMA's a terrorist entity. If you are selling T shirts
to raise money for Hamas, it's a designated terrorist. And

(48:30):
I'm not saying he did this. I'm just working through
some of the the you know, the intricacies here of
this of this case. If you're selling T shirts or mugs.
You know, if you're selling a mug, iHeart Hamas. First
of all, you're a lunatic second of all, and you're
trying to send that money to Hamas. That's material support
to a terrorist organization. I think you can get ten
years ten years federal for that. So that's clearly a

(48:53):
violation of the law. And that's for anybody. You're here
at as an American Green carn hold that does matter
any you can't do that. You're you're in US jurisdiction
of any kind and you're doing some material support for
terrorist organization. Now, can you speak in favor of a
terrorist organization under the First Amendment? Clearly you can. So
you can say you know, you can't say that I

(49:17):
agreed with, you know, the plans of Abu Bakkerel Baghdadi
to create a caliphate or something. You know, you can
say that, but you can't take any steps to advance
or assist or help because then again we get back
to material support. You can't be a US spokesman for
that group. Then you're definitely going to Gitmo or something.

(49:39):
So there are places where this cross is over very quickly.
Here is what we know about this guy, Khalil. He
was at Columbia. He was a prominent face of these
again they called them protests. It was really and there
were Jewish students who were you know, hounded and harassed
on campus. I hate all of that, like I you

(50:03):
know how I feel about Israel's fight against Amas. Could
not be more in favor of Israel doing what it
needs to defend itself. You know how I feel about
anti Semitism, and it has no place anywhere here. Here's
the only place where I have a little bit of
a question about this. On the one hand, I feel

(50:25):
very strongly that if you're if you're a guest here,
you've got to be on meaning if you're not, you know,
if you're somebody who's visited, and this even includes people
who have a green card, you're not yet a citizen.
If you break the law, you gotta go. You got
to go, right that I am, And that has not
been the cases we've seen with a lot of there's
so so much of a lack of enforcement on this.

(50:47):
But if you break the law, you got to go.
And it doesn't have to be like a rape or
a murder. It's just if you break the law and
you are charged with a crime, you gotta go. The
issue that I see here is this guy I don't
believe has been charged with any crime. I don't believe

(51:10):
he's been charged with any crime. His behavior, from what
I can gather from everything, is abhorrent. I disagree with
him on everything. I think he's a scumbag. He's a
guest in this country. Yes, So he has that elevated,
that elevated expectation of you know, you don't get to
just do whatever, like you don't get And now in

(51:31):
the actual laws that pertain to this with when it
comes to immigration, there are you know, there are things
that specifically cite a desire to overthrow the United States
by force so if you're even so, there are ideological
places where you you know first of it. If you

(51:53):
come to this country and you're let's say you're from
communist China and you are visiting on a student visa
and you start saying out in public, I think that
there should be a violent revolution overthrow the United States government.
I'm out, we can kick your butt out of here.
That is in the law. There's no doubt about that right.
That is that is statute. I actually was reading the

(52:15):
statue before I came on this morning to make sure
a lot of immigration statutes are ignored as we know,
and that should not be the case because they are
existing law, just like all the other laws. With this guy,
where I think it gets interesting is has he if
he's gonna be sent home as a as somebody who's

(52:36):
here on a student visa as a Green card holder?
I've heard both. By the way, guys, can we check
on that is he a green card holder? Or is
he here on a student visa? Or is it is it
one then the other? Is it both? Got to check
his status. You should be on your best behavior here.
You do not have the full rights of a citizen here.
Obviously you can't vote. There's a whole bunch of things.
If you're a guest here, you you should just be

(52:56):
thankful and total obedience to the law. If he broke
the law, and that's why we're sending him home, well
there should there should at least be a charge filed,
right that somebody should charge him with.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And there's a bunch that I think would apply here.
Harassment and you know, intimidation. Menacing, I believe is a
statute in the Penal Code in New York City if
memory serves. When I was in the NYPD briefly the NYPD,
and and I was kind of like a hired nerd
for the NYPD, I wasn't doing the like real cop stuff,
but I think menacing would be in there, you know,

(53:33):
assault and battery, destruction of property, any of that. But
to say that he's done it and therefore we're kicking
him out without him being charged with any of that
that I know he's a scumback. I don't like this
guy or what he stands for either, but we have
there there is due like there is due process. We
still do need due process. So has he gotten that

(53:56):
due process yet? That that is a question that I
have about this. A judge has already blocked now I'm
sure a left wing judge his removal from the US
pending an action on habeas as in, why is this
guy in custody? This is going to get interesting because

(54:18):
if he's in custody for not you know, for saying
bad things, Okay, well that's not really a crime. If
he's in custody for breaking laws, let's bring that charge
and then let's go and let's find him guilty, and
then let's send his ass home. Very straightforward again, I'm

(54:39):
all for you have to behave and you have to
obey the law in this country, especially if you're a
visitor or else you go home. No, no offens or butts.
But if we're saying that he was trying to call
for the violent, I think he wanted to call for
And by the way, I'm raising questions here, I haven't

(54:59):
been able to look at everything this guy's ever said.
And there's I think he said he wants to the
downfall of Western civilization, right, And that's where we get to.
Can you look at the downfall of Western civilization as
the equivalent in statute of a violent overthrow of the
United States government. You know, it's it's getting pretty close.

(55:21):
This is this is where the judgment starts to come
in again. Anybody who wants the violent overthrow of or
the overthrow rather Western civilization, I'm opposed to with every
fiber of my being. It would be a disaster, not
just for those of us who live in Western civilization,
but for the rest of the world because we kind
of prop up civilization for everybody else too. Just saying so,
I want to see what exactly it was that uh,

(55:44):
and this is gonna come out in the Habeas Habeas
corpus petition, right, this is what they're fighting over. Okay, well,
why is this guy in custody? And I keep hearing
all of these different things, and now I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna say this, is this applicable in this
case specifically applying to issues of anti Semitism and anti

(56:07):
Jewish speech on campus? Is it going to be applied
to other speech on campus that is particularly problematic? And
who is going to determine what that problematic speech may be?
I bring it up because let's just fast forward. Forget
about where we are now. Our team, the good guys
are in charge and I know it's like we trust them,

(56:27):
right for the most part. You go to a if
I say AOC administration, you'll all just start laughing, so
you won't even follow the analogy. But you go to
a Gavin Newsom, you're probably still laughing. A Gavin Newsom administration.
And somebody on campus wants to say or is saying
things that are highly highly offensive to Democrats. Are they

(56:54):
going to be able to and they're visiting, right, they're
not an American citizen, they do not citizenship, right, our
Democrats can be able to say, you're calling for the
extermination of trans people, you're calling for violence against trans people.
I know you're gonna tell me, oh, no, come on,
these people think that a man can become a woman.
You don't think they're going to make this argument. At

(57:15):
some point if we start to open this up again,
there has to be I just want to know what
the clear process is here. Mamood Khalil stands for everything,
stands against everything that I stand for on the issues
that concerns him or on the reasons, and his anti
Semitism is vile and the guy shouldn't be in this country.

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But I just want and this is where the Habeast
peedition comes in. We need clarity on what is the
reason that he's being removed. Because if the executive branch
can point to someone and say, well, you're a visitor
here and I just don't like what you're saying, even
if in this case it's fully warranted, we totally agree
with it, there's a precedent that they can just tell people, oh, no,

(57:57):
you're not allowed to come here and say that you're
not allowed to I'm here as a as a refugee
from say, as a white refugee from South Africa, which
is another thing that Trump has been talking about and
talk about the state racism in South Africa against white
South Africa. No, no, no, not allowed. That that's creating,

(58:17):
you know, racial disharmony in this country and it's so
you have to go home again in the Gavin Newsom administration.
You see what I'm saying. I want clarity in this.
I don't I'm not opposed to it, but I want
some of these answers because we need to be clear
about what the standard is. And the standard can't just
be a one off standard on this issue. As as

(58:38):
awful as the anti semitism stuff on campus was because
if it is just speech we really don't like on campus.
Remember I wrote my college thesis on speech codes on campus, right,
So this is going back for me a long time.
I was thinking about this issue over twenty years ago
and researching it and looking at all the different speech
codes of a whole range of different schools. If it's

(58:58):
just going to be you say things that are really
heinous and bad, and then they claim that somehow that's
inciting violence, and then that's a violation of your student visa,
the other side is going to be empower at some point,
and I can assure you they will abuse this, which
is why the process matters. So I have a little

(59:20):
bit of a different take on this, I think than
some other people on the right right now, inso much
as I want more I want I want more issues,
more answers rather and more clarity on this one. But yes,
if you break the law and your visitor gone, If
you violate statute, you're a visitor gone. That is absolutely

(59:41):
But you got to do one of those to show
me the violation the statute, show me where the law
is broken, and show me where the charge has been leveled.
It can't just be someone determines it because they say so, right,
I would think, unless I guess maybe an immigration judge
can just unilaterally decide based on This is where you
have to get very specific in the immigration statute. That
may be the case. Executive branch may have full authority

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tell this guy that, you know, you go packing. And
I'm not opposed to that at all. I'm for that.
I just want to know what is he being sent
packing for, because saying stupid, heinous things I need. I
need more specificity than that. If it's overthrowing Western civilization
is tantamount to overthrow the United States government, well let's
have this will come out in the Habeas petition, by

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the way, so we will return to this issue. But
I wanted to be, you know, intellectually honest with you
as I work through this one and just see what's
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