March 13, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss various topics ranging from parenting milestones, particularly the challenges of teaching children to drive, to the complexities of economic tariffs and their implications. They delve into the protests against Tesla and the political violence surrounding it, reflecting on the COVID-19 pandemic's long-term effects on education and public trust. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I normally the show with normalis takes, but when the
news gets weird, I am Americas.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Am, and I'm Carol Marco, I'm Mary Catherine.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How's it going. It's going all right. We're still working
on potty training. But I saw that you had like
a rite of passage in your home.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, yes, I have my very first child who is driving,
who terrifying. Also, it turns out I'm not a great
driving teacher. I was just like, all right, let's go
start driving, and she couldn't do that. So I handed
it over to my husband, who was like, what you
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have to do is show her how to do it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So it's a hard thing to teach. We are doing
it redneck style, where our kids started on little dirt
dirt bikes and little little power wheels, and so they
learned kind of the basics of how these things go,
and we keep stepping them up in size.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, Well, we meant to do it starting the Floridian
Way on a golf cart, but smart we didn't actually
pull the trigger on getting a golf cart yet. So
here we are. But yeah, fifteen years old, they get
their learners permit in Florida. It's younger than we did
it in New York and it's it's great. I mean,
it's great that she wants to do it, because there's
so many kids this age now who put it off indefinitely.
(01:21):
I don't know. I couldn't wait to drive when I
was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I know, I love it that she's going out there
and she's very much like that. I was required to
learn stick, so like there was an even thoughts are
in our family. So man, I remember sitting on a
hill for the first time driving stick and just wondering
if I'm going to slide back into the bumper behind me. Oh,
it's a good time, yeap.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That was my husband. My husband in Italy when we
were dating, learned. I mean he said he knew how
to drive stick and that's why we rented a car
with stick shift. He learned how to drive in the
parking garage of the airport in Rome. And let me
tell you, the Italians did not enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
No. I bet I drove a sixty eight Volkswagen Bug.
So once you start with that level of cantankerous, yeah, manual,
you could do any transmission. You can really do anything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It really does. The origin story here makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's alrighty, shall we get to the news.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Let's do it. So, you know, we haven't really talked
about the economy on here, and we really specifically haven't
talked talked about tariffs. And part of why we haven't
discussed the tariffs is that things remain very in flux.
And the first time that you and I were like,
let's talk tariffs today, we actually decided to wait and
see what happened, and then the next day the tariffs
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with Canada and Mexico were postponed. So every time we
kind of think like, Okay, should we do tariffs today,
we end up not doing it because things are changing
all the time. And in the financial world they call
this kind of thing uncertainty, and they don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They don't the market says no, thank you, yes to that, thanks,
but no thanks on the uncertainty. Yes, I do think
we're getting to a point where Trump could be in
some real danger of just burning through political capital because
he has a lot, he has a lot of leeway
here inherited a soft economy at best from Biden. Like
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people were not feeling good, right, I think, unleashing energy
and working on some deregulation can have tremendous effects, it'll
take a little while. But the tariff's pitch is trickier
because he says this is short term gain or short
term pain for long term gain. Right, voters don't like
short term pain.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No, they don't, they don't. But you know, you bring
up a good point, which is Trump has only been
president for two months, so you can blame him for
like the stock market dipping because investors are concerned about tariffs.
But you can't like lay the price of eggs at
his feet quite yet. You know, although Barack Obama basically
blamed George W. Bush for like eight years of economy,
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he kept saying, this is the economy I inherit, or like, dude,
you've been president for six years at this point, so
you know, maybe Trump can do similar, although I you know,
from what I've seen, he hasn't necessarily done similar. He
hasn't said, well, this is you know, what I inherited.
But he had an interview with Maria or Taroma, her
(04:19):
name is always a toughie for me, and she asked
him do you expect a recession? And he said it's possible.
That kind of thing is unheard of. By the way,
you never hear a politician bluntly say something like that.
But that's the long term, you know, gain for the
short term pain that you're talking about here. And you're right.
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I don't know that Americans are going to be okay
with this. I don't think that they're going to say, oh,
well things are more expensive, or I got laid off
or any of that. But it's good for the country
long term. That's It's a tough, tough little nut to
crack there.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, that's a very big ask. I think. Also, Canada
kind of came to play. I don't know. I didn't expect.
I didn't expect the Ontario premiere to go quite so hard.
He was like, he was like, okay, so we give
you electricity in New York, Michigan, and Minnesota, I believe
are the three states. So we're just like going to
slap twenty five percent on that, which will cost consumers
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potentially one hundred dollars a month on their power bill.
And I guarantee you people will notice that. Now. He
backed off of that as soon as Trump had some
engagement with him, right, But there is cost to the
uncertainty itself. Right, So if you're going to have the
fight again, I think a medium tolerant of tariffs as
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a negotiating tactic if it's quick and efficient. But this
exchange is looking rockier for people, so I think it
does have potential to harm his political prospects.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Earlier today, AP reported that Canada will announce more than
twenty billion in retaliatory tariffs in response to Trump's metal tariffs.
So yeah, Canada is I mean leaning into their nationalism
and saying we don't like this, we don't like you,
We've never liked you, haha, And they're really fighting back.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
But you know, he gets leeway, and.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
He gets leeway from me. I was on your bestie
Guy Benson's radio show yesterday and I said, you know,
I've had this long road with Trump. I know you've
had sort of a similar one where I was adamantly
against tariffs in his first term, but I saw that
he used it as a pressure tactic and not necessarily
as an economic one. So I am giving him the
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benefit of the doubt. And I'm very much in weight
and see mode, not making any strong judgments yet. But again,
if Americans do end up feeling it in the next
few months. I don't think that's saying, oh, but we're
bringing back all these businesses to America. Just wait, twenty
years is going to work?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, because that horizon is long. Even though there are
some shifts you know, that will that will happen quickly,
they are not like big change the economy shifts, all right,
you know. But to your point, Carol, how, I cannot
count the times that Trump's political calculations have been wildly
different and better than mine. Right, Okay, I'm in the
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same place. Yes, so I'm there. We are open to that.
But I think on the politics of the economy, it's
very risky ground, and it's very risky ground to be
fighting based on being I think mostly just annoyed with
Justin Trudeau by the way, you're putting wind beneath his
wings with the let's not so yeah, I think he
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stands to do himself some damage. Although you had a
good an interesting data point on cost of living.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, let's roll that clip from CNN.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Finally we have some good news on the economy and
really the number one issue for many Americans the cost
of living. So we just learned that consumer prices in
February increase by two point eight percent year, zero point
two percent month of a month.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Both of these figures were a step.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
In the right direction, and both were better than expected.
So this is definitely very encouraging to see because it's
going to, I think, relieve some fears.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That inflation was perhaps reaccelerating, because this actually breaks a
streak of four straight months where I think you could
see it on the chart all the way to the
right where the inflation rate was going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Right, it was going higher and higher. Finally we're seeing
it dip.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So the Trump Rapid Response team shared that on x
Obviously they are proud that CNN is saying it, which
is unusual for CNN. Cost of living obviously going down
is going to be a data point, they stress. They
also had Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon was on again
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Mornings of Maria kind of being more optimistic on what's
going on in the economy and with the Trump administration.
He said that the business community quote understands Trump's intentions
with tariffs.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, and that's one of the things I think. Josh
Holmes said, I was on Special Report last night and
he said, the man is engaged in negotiation. The man
is always engaged in negotiation. Many many business leaders understand this,
but like I always go to go back to there
is a cost from uncertainty because businesses want to plan
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and they want to know what is in front of them. Also,
I don't like the part of tariffs where it's like
it becomes political gamesmanship and very swampy to be like,
but I need an exception to the tariff, and this
is how I'm going to get it right. I don't
like that at all.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, it's going to have to be everybody or nobody.
I think the exceptions are the swampiest part of DC
and we can't allow that to go on.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's that part worries me. Yeah, alrighty up. Next, we
have mostly peaceful protests, mostly.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Peaceful, just some vandalism, some Tesla set up on fire,
will be right back on. Normally, these protests are going
on around the country. A really really sad one happened
in South Florida. I saw video of it the other day.
They manage like twelve people at the Tesla plant in
Delray Beach. It's really I think unsettling because look, I
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get that these people are really mad at Elon Musk.
But Elon Musk only owns only has twelve point eight
percent of Tesla equity, so they're really just harming people
who have nothing to do with anything. And it's interesting,
of course the additional angle that Tesla is an electric car.
The people posing Elon are largely on the left. They
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should be loving their electric car in California. You know,
I saw a bumper sticker that said something like I
bought this before Elon went crazy on a Tesla, which
is like, okay, like, I don't even do we know
what the other car manufacturers, top equity owner now leaves.
We don't right, for better or worse, Elon is out there,
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and uh I you know, I find it difficult to
wrap my mind around that people are blaming him for
this because it's it's clearly unbalanced people who are causing
vandalism and oh yeah, you know, doing really crazy stuff.
So yeah, I'm obviously not a fan, but I also
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think that the people doing it should be harshly punished.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean, remind me of the good guys, the
ones burning the electric cars. So the guy who made
the electric cars. Yeah, that's the thing that's astounding to me,
I've always found Tesla's to be interesting, in the company
to be interesting. The only problem I had with it
was any government subsidies it got because I'm boringly consistent
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yes, Dary, but he did.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The thing where he made electric car cars high performing
and cool. I have he he did the thing you
guys wanted. Lefties and now eco warriors are like, let's
set fire to a whole lot of Tesla's. And they've
done this, by the way, in several places. There's headlines
from Seattle, I think in California. This is this is
(12:18):
the kind of thing that if it was the left
throwing molotov cocktails at a North Charleston Tesla charging station, right,
if it wasn't the left and it was the right
doing this because they didn't like whoever owned a company,
you'd get a lot more national coverage of this horrific
threat to democracy. But political violence on the left is
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not treated the same in the media. And Frank Luigi
Mangioni sets such a low low in the in hell
bar that now the lefties are like, I mean, we
didn't murder.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Him, right, we could do whatever we want. It's just property.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, scary prospect, but that is what they think. They
think the murder of the CEO of United Healthcare was
sort of kind of like a deserved unacceptable maybe even
laudatory and uh and now they're like, well, we've really
done you guys a favor by stepping it down and
just burning a few cyber trucks, right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Uh. You know, I think that if the right were
to respond even similarly, we'd see, you know, mass unrest.
Let's just say it wouldn't it wouldn't go quite so swimmingly.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But Donald Trump had a tesla at the White House
and he said, oh, everything's computer. And let me tell you,
everything is computer.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Everything's computer. There was a guy who tweeted, I'll leave
the cursords out of it because that was my Linton sacrifice.
But he says this guy. Yeah, I hate this man.
I hate how funny he is. Yes, I hate how
he puts things in my lexicon and without my consent,
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like everything's electric, everything's computer. Things beautiful.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Because it really fits. Again, I have a tesla. I
love my tesla. I love the self drive more than anything.
Even though I still, you know, I still hold on
and I still watch the road. I know people I
won't name any names who completely, you know, let the
tesla take over. I'm not quite there yet, but it's
the future. Everything's computer and it's amazing. I really do
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love it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The first time I ever wrote in a tesla, by
the way, was with Vincent Gallo in La.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know, I love him. He was like an early
early crush for me. And then I found out he
was conservative much later and I was like, wow, I
really know how to pick him.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
We did one of those secret conservative meetups in La
and I wrote in a tesla in the early early days,
before anybody had one in it it was everything was computer.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Then I'm gonna have to look up what Vincent gallows
up to. Haven't heard from him in a while. Please
don't let him be a Nazi, like just you know,
it's one of those.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Like Google carefully. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I deserve whatever I get here. We're going to
take a short break and come right back with normally.
It is five years since the COVID lockdowns began. We
are around the five year mark, and it is something
I'm still mad about. Bro and I know that we
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talk about it on the show a lot, probably more
than other shows do because we are still mad and
just you know the importance of looking back right now.
I think so many times we hear about new viruses
or new things coming up, and you're like, but now
I know what to do. Now, I won't believe anything
you people are saying. It's a dangerous place to be.
(15:49):
I don't trust our health officials at all. I'm glad
that Jaboticharia is at NIH. That makes it far more
trustworthy for me.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It is a nice bow on the five years. It is.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It absolutely is. He was, of course, somebody who opposed
the lockdowns and did it at tremendous personal costs. He
was really shunned by his peers. He was treated like
a lunatic, when of course he was right about all of.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It, labeled a fringe epidemiologists who works at Stanford, like
all the fringe epidemiologists.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you and I listen, you and
I were right about quite a lot. Also. I do
like to pat us on the back because a lot
of things that people say, oh, how could we have known,
or we didn't know, we like to say, oh, we knew,
we knew, we knew the whole time. We knew that
this was going to be bad for kids. We had
no illusions that taking away school from only public school
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kids was was going to be a problem for the
poorest kids in the country. And that's exactly where we
are now.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, it was obviously the things that people say, we
didn't know. And that's the line that my counterpart used
on me on on Fox News Sunday. It's like, oh,
people just learned as they went. It's like, okay, but
at the beginning, we knew outside safer than inside, old
in more danger than young. Those were just facts known
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from the beginning that should have protected both school children
being shut out of school and old people being thrown
into nursing homes and hospitals together with in New York.
So those two things, or like you know, opening parks outside.
I remember I went out to Colorado early in the pandemic,
(17:34):
I confess, and I went to Colorado and we couldn't
go up the Manitou Incline, which is a famous hike,
because it was closed and they would they said they
would find you thousands of dollars if you attempted to
walk up an outdoor staircase in the Colorado Mountains.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yep, it made no sense, and we knew it even
at the time. It's also hard to go back. And
I think that that's a lesson that I hope people
learn going forward, is that once you do stupid things,
it gets very, very hard to stop doing them. For example,
New York keeps setting records for children not going to school.
In twenty twenty five, they continue to have absences at
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astronomical numbers because when parents were told the school was
not that important, it penetrated. People believe them, and now
kids go to school kind of whenever they feel like it.
Another thing, Liz Wolf, who writes for Reasons She's Fantastic,
keeps pointing out that they keep closing down playgrounds now.
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In my childhood in Brooklyn, playgrounds were open in you know,
six feet of snow. It didn't matter. Everything was open
all the time. Now it's like, ooh, the weather's a
little iffy, you're going to close the playground just in case.
And she basically, you know, climbs over the fence with
her with her son and they play on the toy
you know, on all the structures. So it gets harder
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to stop doing dumb things once you start doing them.
Always best to not do them in the first place.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, and I think humans are not particularly great at
rational risk analysis to begin with. And then what we
did during the pandemic is that we demonized rational risk analysis.
And that's why Jay Boditaria got in trouble. That's why
people like you and I were shamed, because we were like, well,
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we are healthy and in an age range that this
is not likely to hurt us a bunch. Our children
are even less susceptible to being hurt badly, and we
are therefore going to try to live life the best
we can. I think it's important to say that I'm
proud that we made those decisions. I am glad that
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I didn't put my kids through what a lot of
kids went through when they ended up with parents who
were not standing in the breach for them, who were
using them as a shield instead of being a shield
for them. Like some of the behavior of parents was
absolutely outrageous, putting their kids in tiny kids in guest
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rooms and basements and feeding them under a crack in
the door when they had COVID.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I mean, it's just I'll just say, when my kids
had COVID, they were all over me they were like
on top of me, and I never got it. I
never got COVID.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's the other you know, amazing. Yeah. So when the
first time I ever got COVID, which was of course
like a year and a half, two years in even
though I had been gallivanting, I had it with a
several month old baby. And like, you know, this is
the problem with coverage of the pandemic as well, is
that at the time, I knew if I wrote in
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a motive piece about how devastating it was to be
to put my newborn in a bathroom by herself.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You'd be in the New York Times because I had to.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Protect her from COVID. I would have gotten a New
York Times calum. Yeah, but if I write a piece
that's like, yeah, I just like breastfed the baby and
assumed everything would be fine, and then everything, it's fine,
that's fine, they're not bed it's not allowed. Yeah, but
I think we needed much more of the chill version
we did of that in the news.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I kept waiting to get COVID so that I could
write the tweet that I had planned. You know a
lot of people had the I did everything right, but look,
I got COVID, and I wanted to be like, I
did everything wrong and look I got COVID. But yeah,
it never happened.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'll just credit my strong Russian blood for that, I guess.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah. I also think I can't remember the date, but
it was maybe early twenty twenty one. I think it
was past the vaccines and past like when we were
already an omicron era, when things were clearly less dangerous,
and you and I did a clubhouse with some other folks.
Liz Wolf might actually have been there, Nancy Rommelman for sure. Yeah,
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where we said y'all gotta get out, like everybody's got
it now, to declare that you're done being in your house,
that you're reclaiming your old life. And I remember at
the time some people in the clubhouse, which was just
an audio only sort of like X spaces is now
some people being skeptical, like, why are y'all even talking
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about this, because obviously people will reclaim their lives. But
as you say, once you've broken the habit of living life,
it becomes harder to go out and live life. And
a lot of people have stayed stuck, way more stuck
than they should have for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
The flip side of that is that when we moved
to Florida in January of twenty twenty two, and that was,
you know, we had already done like five months in
Florida in twenty twenty one, and we went back to
New York trying to figure things out and realize we
can't stay there and made the permanent move. When we
moved down here, even I met like even liberals down here,
they'd be like, oh, what made you leave New York?
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And I'd be like, oh, the COVID insanity And they'd
be like, what are you talking about? And I was like, well,
our kids are still masking there, and they're like what
in twenty twenty two And they had no idea, Like
there was no way for them to really understand what
was going on. I was like, kind, only am my
kids masking in January twenty two when we moved down here.
They were eating lunch outside on the ground in the
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cold in New York, pulling their mask down between bites.
And my middle son, who is argumentative and loves to debate,
was constantly getting into these fights with staff and other students.
Other students was like, actually a big one. They'd be like,
you know, pull up your mask, pull up your mask,
and he'd be like, it doesn't work anyway. And it
was just but at the same time, old people like
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you know, you say, old people, young people. It was
a major difference in COVID, you know, poor outcomes. Old
people in New York were dining inside at restaurants full on,
masks off, and everything was fine. It just none of
it made any sense. And that is what I had
to get my kids away from. I kept thinking that
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I can't have them living in this crazy place doing
these crazy things that we all know in Jack and
you were of twenty twenty two don't work.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We were also in a crazy place because we're in
northern Virginia. But we had a sort of a crew
of people who were doctors, nurses, law enforcement, or military
and they just had to work. We all they were
all working, and so all of our houses were to
some extent exposed, and.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We were all dirty.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Pretty as were dirty. We were all pretty comfortable with
the idea that we were exposed and that that was
just how life worked. And so we would hang out
together and you know, be icky together.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right right where people like looking at us like you guys,
are you know you're just too loose, noting around too much?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It was wild. At one point in twenty twenty, I
offered to have kids at my home who had essential
worker parents who couldn't have child care for them. And
I was like, look, we're not a pod like we're exposed,
but if you have kids that you need care for,
please don't shame me. But I'm offering my home as
a place that they could do zoom class I can supervise.
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Just putting that Facebook post up was so scary because
I knew someone was going to jump in the worse
and say, how dare you do this to your neighborhood.
You're going to kill somebody's grandma. By the way, our
grandparents and our family were like, oh, we will be
seeing the children.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
My mom like three weeks in. It was like, this
is the longest six months of my life.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
We did.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think we waited like a moteless away anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think we made it. We waited like a month
and a half. And then I was like, maybe we
should do outdoors because I was more worried about them. Sure, yes,
and the grandparent parents and our family luckily all quite healthy.
We're like, nah, I'm just gonna hang out because we're family,
and we did it and everybody was fine, right, but
you know, I just to wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's five years. We obviously are over a lot of it,
not over some other stuff, but we did have a
lot of negativity thrown at us, and we were right.
You know, I got threats. I'm sure you did.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Two.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
In November of twenty twenty, I wrote spend Thanksgiving with
your family, and that got me an avalanche of abuse
on the internets. Yes, of course, all the people who
told us not to spend Thanksgiving with our families, like
my then governor now possible New York City mayor candidate
Andrew Pomo. He was planning to spend it with his family.
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So while we were supposed to not see our families
on Thanksgiving, the people in charge were totally doing whatever
they wanted.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Doctor Burks did the same thing, Yeah, Gavin Newsome.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, they all just did whatever they wanted, and
we took a lot of abuse for it, and I
definitely feel like we came out stronger on the other side.
But I'm not quite forgiven that yet, not that anybody's
asked for that. Forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, I know that's not top of their minds. Well,
there is one sort of consequence that is rearing its
head this week, which we will close out with. Just
for the stats for you guys, half of the Department
of Education, Federal Department of Education is now laid off.
They were told to leave by six pm from their
headquarters yesterday in Washington, although I hope they sent that
(27:17):
email out before too, because ain't nobody was at the
Department of Education at six pm. You got to catch them, Merlin. Yeah,
thirteen hundred people laid off. There will be rending of garments,
there will be screaming from Randy Winegarden. These people didn't
care about disruptions in education, not at all. They only
(27:38):
care about a disruption in the racket of the pass
through of bureaucratic funds that go straight to their pockets
and not largely to education. So when people complain about this,
I will be checking to see if they complained about
the eighteen months that every child in every public school
in every major metro area was out of school. Yeah,
(28:01):
because this is the consequence of losing public trust and
not doing your job.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's right. This is the fo to the fa yep,
I didn't give up cursing for lent. I could have
just said it, but I'm with you in solidarity.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Thank you. That's very good.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Am, and I'm Carol Marco, I'm Mary Catherine.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How's it going. It's going all right. We're still working
on potty training. But I saw that you had like
a rite of passage in your home.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, yes, I have my very first child who is driving,
who terrifying. Also, it turns out I'm not a great
driving teacher. I was just like, all right, let's go
start driving, and she couldn't do that. So I handed
it over to my husband, who was like, what you
(00:39):
have to do is show her how to do it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So it's a hard thing to teach. We are doing
it redneck style, where our kids started on little dirt
dirt bikes and little little power wheels, and so they
learned kind of the basics of how these things go,
and we keep stepping them up in size.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, Well, we meant to do it starting the Floridian
Way on a golf cart, but smart we didn't actually
pull the trigger on getting a golf cart yet. So
here we are. But yeah, fifteen years old, they get
their learners permit in Florida. It's younger than we did
it in New York and it's it's great. I mean,
it's great that she wants to do it, because there's
so many kids this age now who put it off indefinitely.
(01:21):
I don't know. I couldn't wait to drive when I
was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I know, I love it that she's going out there
and she's very much like that. I was required to
learn stick, so like there was an even thoughts are
in our family. So man, I remember sitting on a
hill for the first time driving stick and just wondering
if I'm going to slide back into the bumper behind me. Oh,
it's a good time, yeap.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That was my husband. My husband in Italy when we
were dating, learned. I mean he said he knew how
to drive stick and that's why we rented a car
with stick shift. He learned how to drive in the
parking garage of the airport in Rome. And let me
tell you, the Italians did not enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
No. I bet I drove a sixty eight Volkswagen Bug.
So once you start with that level of cantankerous, yeah, manual,
you could do any transmission. You can really do anything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It really does. The origin story here makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's alrighty, shall we get to the news.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Let's do it. So, you know, we haven't really talked
about the economy on here, and we really specifically haven't
talked talked about tariffs. And part of why we haven't
discussed the tariffs is that things remain very in flux.
And the first time that you and I were like,
let's talk tariffs today, we actually decided to wait and
see what happened, and then the next day the tariffs
(02:38):
with Canada and Mexico were postponed. So every time we
kind of think like, Okay, should we do tariffs today,
we end up not doing it because things are changing
all the time. And in the financial world they call
this kind of thing uncertainty, and they don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They don't the market says no, thank you, yes to that, thanks,
but no thanks on the uncertainty. Yes, I do think
we're getting to a point where Trump could be in
some real danger of just burning through political capital because
he has a lot, he has a lot of leeway
here inherited a soft economy at best from Biden. Like
(03:16):
people were not feeling good, right, I think, unleashing energy
and working on some deregulation can have tremendous effects, it'll
take a little while. But the tariff's pitch is trickier
because he says this is short term gain or short
term pain for long term gain. Right, voters don't like
short term pain.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No, they don't, they don't. But you know, you bring
up a good point, which is Trump has only been
president for two months, so you can blame him for
like the stock market dipping because investors are concerned about tariffs.
But you can't like lay the price of eggs at
his feet quite yet. You know, although Barack Obama basically
blamed George W. Bush for like eight years of economy,
(03:58):
he kept saying, this is the economy I inherit, or like, dude,
you've been president for six years at this point, so
you know, maybe Trump can do similar, although I you know,
from what I've seen, he hasn't necessarily done similar. He
hasn't said, well, this is you know, what I inherited.
But he had an interview with Maria or Taroma, her
(04:19):
name is always a toughie for me, and she asked
him do you expect a recession? And he said it's possible.
That kind of thing is unheard of. By the way,
you never hear a politician bluntly say something like that.
But that's the long term, you know, gain for the
short term pain that you're talking about here. And you're right.
(04:39):
I don't know that Americans are going to be okay
with this. I don't think that they're going to say, oh,
well things are more expensive, or I got laid off
or any of that. But it's good for the country
long term. That's It's a tough, tough little nut to
crack there.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, that's a very big ask. I think. Also, Canada
kind of came to play. I don't know. I didn't expect.
I didn't expect the Ontario premiere to go quite so hard.
He was like, he was like, okay, so we give
you electricity in New York, Michigan, and Minnesota, I believe
are the three states. So we're just like going to
slap twenty five percent on that, which will cost consumers
(05:16):
potentially one hundred dollars a month on their power bill.
And I guarantee you people will notice that. Now. He
backed off of that as soon as Trump had some
engagement with him, right, But there is cost to the
uncertainty itself. Right, So if you're going to have the
fight again, I think a medium tolerant of tariffs as
(05:36):
a negotiating tactic if it's quick and efficient. But this
exchange is looking rockier for people, so I think it
does have potential to harm his political prospects.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Earlier today, AP reported that Canada will announce more than
twenty billion in retaliatory tariffs in response to Trump's metal tariffs.
So yeah, Canada is I mean leaning into their nationalism
and saying we don't like this, we don't like you,
We've never liked you, haha, And they're really fighting back.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
But you know, he gets leeway, and.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
He gets leeway from me. I was on your bestie
Guy Benson's radio show yesterday and I said, you know,
I've had this long road with Trump. I know you've
had sort of a similar one where I was adamantly
against tariffs in his first term, but I saw that
he used it as a pressure tactic and not necessarily
as an economic one. So I am giving him the
(06:37):
benefit of the doubt. And I'm very much in weight
and see mode, not making any strong judgments yet. But again,
if Americans do end up feeling it in the next
few months. I don't think that's saying, oh, but we're
bringing back all these businesses to America. Just wait, twenty
years is going to work?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, because that horizon is long. Even though there are
some shifts you know, that will that will happen quickly,
they are not like big change the economy shifts, all right,
you know. But to your point, Carol, how, I cannot
count the times that Trump's political calculations have been wildly
different and better than mine. Right, Okay, I'm in the
(07:19):
same place. Yes, so I'm there. We are open to that.
But I think on the politics of the economy, it's
very risky ground, and it's very risky ground to be
fighting based on being I think mostly just annoyed with
Justin Trudeau by the way, you're putting wind beneath his
wings with the let's not so yeah, I think he
(07:41):
stands to do himself some damage. Although you had a
good an interesting data point on cost of living.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, let's roll that clip from CNN.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Finally we have some good news on the economy and
really the number one issue for many Americans the cost
of living. So we just learned that consumer prices in
February increase by two point eight percent year, zero point
two percent month of a month.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Both of these figures were a step.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
In the right direction, and both were better than expected.
So this is definitely very encouraging to see because it's
going to, I think, relieve some fears.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
That inflation was perhaps reaccelerating, because this actually breaks a
streak of four straight months where I think you could
see it on the chart all the way to the
right where the inflation rate was going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Right, it was going higher and higher. Finally we're seeing
it dip.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So the Trump Rapid Response team shared that on x
Obviously they are proud that CNN is saying it, which
is unusual for CNN. Cost of living obviously going down
is going to be a data point, they stress. They
also had Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon was on again
(08:50):
Mornings of Maria kind of being more optimistic on what's
going on in the economy and with the Trump administration.
He said that the business community quote understands Trump's intentions
with tariffs.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, and that's one of the things I think. Josh
Holmes said, I was on Special Report last night and
he said, the man is engaged in negotiation. The man
is always engaged in negotiation. Many many business leaders understand this,
but like I always go to go back to there
is a cost from uncertainty because businesses want to plan
(09:24):
and they want to know what is in front of them. Also,
I don't like the part of tariffs where it's like
it becomes political gamesmanship and very swampy to be like,
but I need an exception to the tariff, and this
is how I'm going to get it right. I don't
like that at all.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, it's going to have to be everybody or nobody.
I think the exceptions are the swampiest part of DC
and we can't allow that to go on.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's that part worries me. Yeah, alrighty up. Next, we
have mostly peaceful protests, mostly.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Peaceful, just some vandalism, some Tesla set up on fire,
will be right back on. Normally, these protests are going
on around the country. A really really sad one happened
in South Florida. I saw video of it the other day.
They manage like twelve people at the Tesla plant in
Delray Beach. It's really I think unsettling because look, I
(10:21):
get that these people are really mad at Elon Musk.
But Elon Musk only owns only has twelve point eight
percent of Tesla equity, so they're really just harming people
who have nothing to do with anything. And it's interesting,
of course the additional angle that Tesla is an electric car.
The people posing Elon are largely on the left. They
(10:42):
should be loving their electric car in California. You know,
I saw a bumper sticker that said something like I
bought this before Elon went crazy on a Tesla, which
is like, okay, like, I don't even do we know
what the other car manufacturers, top equity owner now leaves.
We don't right, for better or worse, Elon is out there,
(11:06):
and uh I you know, I find it difficult to
wrap my mind around that people are blaming him for
this because it's it's clearly unbalanced people who are causing
vandalism and oh yeah, you know, doing really crazy stuff.
So yeah, I'm obviously not a fan, but I also
(11:28):
think that the people doing it should be harshly punished.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean, remind me of the good guys, the
ones burning the electric cars. So the guy who made
the electric cars. Yeah, that's the thing that's astounding to me,
I've always found Tesla's to be interesting, in the company
to be interesting. The only problem I had with it
was any government subsidies it got because I'm boringly consistent
that way.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yes, Dary, but he did.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The thing where he made electric car cars high performing
and cool. I have he he did the thing you
guys wanted. Lefties and now eco warriors are like, let's
set fire to a whole lot of Tesla's. And they've
done this, by the way, in several places. There's headlines
from Seattle, I think in California. This is this is
(12:18):
the kind of thing that if it was the left
throwing molotov cocktails at a North Charleston Tesla charging station, right,
if it wasn't the left and it was the right
doing this because they didn't like whoever owned a company,
you'd get a lot more national coverage of this horrific
threat to democracy. But political violence on the left is
(12:40):
not treated the same in the media. And Frank Luigi
Mangioni sets such a low low in the in hell
bar that now the lefties are like, I mean, we
didn't murder.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Him, right, we could do whatever we want. It's just property.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, scary prospect, but that is what they think. They
think the murder of the CEO of United Healthcare was
sort of kind of like a deserved unacceptable maybe even
laudatory and uh and now they're like, well, we've really
done you guys a favor by stepping it down and
just burning a few cyber trucks, right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Uh. You know, I think that if the right were
to respond even similarly, we'd see, you know, mass unrest.
Let's just say it wouldn't it wouldn't go quite so swimmingly.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But Donald Trump had a tesla at the White House
and he said, oh, everything's computer. And let me tell you,
everything is computer.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Everything's computer. There was a guy who tweeted, I'll leave
the cursords out of it because that was my Linton sacrifice.
But he says this guy. Yeah, I hate this man.
I hate how funny he is. Yes, I hate how
he puts things in my lexicon and without my consent,
(14:01):
like everything's electric, everything's computer. Things beautiful.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Because it really fits. Again, I have a tesla. I
love my tesla. I love the self drive more than anything.
Even though I still, you know, I still hold on
and I still watch the road. I know people I
won't name any names who completely, you know, let the
tesla take over. I'm not quite there yet, but it's
the future. Everything's computer and it's amazing. I really do
(14:31):
love it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The first time I ever wrote in a tesla, by
the way, was with Vincent Gallo in La.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know, I love him. He was like an early
early crush for me. And then I found out he
was conservative much later and I was like, wow, I
really know how to pick him.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
We did one of those secret conservative meetups in La
and I wrote in a tesla in the early early days,
before anybody had one in it it was everything was computer.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Then I'm gonna have to look up what Vincent gallows
up to. Haven't heard from him in a while. Please
don't let him be a Nazi, like just you know,
it's one of those.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Like Google carefully. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I deserve whatever I get here. We're going to
take a short break and come right back with normally.
It is five years since the COVID lockdowns began. We
are around the five year mark, and it is something
I'm still mad about. Bro and I know that we
(15:29):
talk about it on the show a lot, probably more
than other shows do because we are still mad and
just you know the importance of looking back right now.
I think so many times we hear about new viruses
or new things coming up, and you're like, but now
I know what to do. Now, I won't believe anything
you people are saying. It's a dangerous place to be.
(15:49):
I don't trust our health officials at all. I'm glad
that Jaboticharia is at NIH. That makes it far more
trustworthy for me.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It is a nice bow on the five years. It is.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It absolutely is. He was, of course, somebody who opposed
the lockdowns and did it at tremendous personal costs. He
was really shunned by his peers. He was treated like
a lunatic, when of course he was right about all of.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It, labeled a fringe epidemiologists who works at Stanford, like
all the fringe epidemiologists.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you and I listen, you and
I were right about quite a lot. Also. I do
like to pat us on the back because a lot
of things that people say, oh, how could we have known,
or we didn't know, we like to say, oh, we knew,
we knew, we knew the whole time. We knew that
this was going to be bad for kids. We had
no illusions that taking away school from only public school
(16:44):
kids was was going to be a problem for the
poorest kids in the country. And that's exactly where we
are now.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, it was obviously the things that people say, we
didn't know. And that's the line that my counterpart used
on me on on Fox News Sunday. It's like, oh,
people just learned as they went. It's like, okay, but
at the beginning, we knew outside safer than inside, old
in more danger than young. Those were just facts known
(17:13):
from the beginning that should have protected both school children
being shut out of school and old people being thrown
into nursing homes and hospitals together with in New York.
So those two things, or like you know, opening parks outside.
I remember I went out to Colorado early in the pandemic,
(17:34):
I confess, and I went to Colorado and we couldn't
go up the Manitou Incline, which is a famous hike,
because it was closed and they would they said they
would find you thousands of dollars if you attempted to
walk up an outdoor staircase in the Colorado Mountains.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yep, it made no sense, and we knew it even
at the time. It's also hard to go back. And
I think that that's a lesson that I hope people
learn going forward, is that once you do stupid things,
it gets very, very hard to stop doing them. For example,
New York keeps setting records for children not going to school.
In twenty twenty five, they continue to have absences at
(18:15):
astronomical numbers because when parents were told the school was
not that important, it penetrated. People believe them, and now
kids go to school kind of whenever they feel like it.
Another thing, Liz Wolf, who writes for Reasons She's Fantastic,
keeps pointing out that they keep closing down playgrounds now.
(18:35):
In my childhood in Brooklyn, playgrounds were open in you know,
six feet of snow. It didn't matter. Everything was open
all the time. Now it's like, ooh, the weather's a
little iffy, you're going to close the playground just in case.
And she basically, you know, climbs over the fence with
her with her son and they play on the toy
you know, on all the structures. So it gets harder
(18:57):
to stop doing dumb things once you start doing them.
Always best to not do them in the first place.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, and I think humans are not particularly great at
rational risk analysis to begin with. And then what we
did during the pandemic is that we demonized rational risk analysis.
And that's why Jay Boditaria got in trouble. That's why
people like you and I were shamed, because we were like, well,
(19:22):
we are healthy and in an age range that this
is not likely to hurt us a bunch. Our children
are even less susceptible to being hurt badly, and we
are therefore going to try to live life the best
we can. I think it's important to say that I'm
proud that we made those decisions. I am glad that
(19:42):
I didn't put my kids through what a lot of
kids went through when they ended up with parents who
were not standing in the breach for them, who were
using them as a shield instead of being a shield
for them. Like some of the behavior of parents was
absolutely outrageous, putting their kids in tiny kids in guest
(20:03):
rooms and basements and feeding them under a crack in
the door when they had COVID.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I mean, it's just I'll just say, when my kids
had COVID, they were all over me they were like
on top of me, and I never got it. I
never got COVID.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's the other you know, amazing. Yeah. So when the
first time I ever got COVID, which was of course
like a year and a half, two years in even
though I had been gallivanting, I had it with a
several month old baby. And like, you know, this is
the problem with coverage of the pandemic as well, is
that at the time, I knew if I wrote in
(20:38):
a motive piece about how devastating it was to be
to put my newborn in a bathroom by herself.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You'd be in the New York Times because I had to.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Protect her from COVID. I would have gotten a New
York Times calum. Yeah, but if I write a piece
that's like, yeah, I just like breastfed the baby and
assumed everything would be fine, and then everything, it's fine,
that's fine, they're not bed it's not allowed. Yeah, but
I think we needed much more of the chill version
we did of that in the news.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I kept waiting to get COVID so that I could
write the tweet that I had planned. You know a
lot of people had the I did everything right, but look,
I got COVID, and I wanted to be like, I
did everything wrong and look I got COVID. But yeah,
it never happened.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'll just credit my strong Russian blood for that, I guess.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah. I also think I can't remember the date, but
it was maybe early twenty twenty one. I think it
was past the vaccines and past like when we were
already an omicron era, when things were clearly less dangerous,
and you and I did a clubhouse with some other folks.
Liz Wolf might actually have been there, Nancy Rommelman for sure. Yeah,
(21:51):
where we said y'all gotta get out, like everybody's got
it now, to declare that you're done being in your house,
that you're reclaiming your old life. And I remember at
the time some people in the clubhouse, which was just
an audio only sort of like X spaces is now
some people being skeptical, like, why are y'all even talking
(22:14):
about this, because obviously people will reclaim their lives. But
as you say, once you've broken the habit of living life,
it becomes harder to go out and live life. And
a lot of people have stayed stuck, way more stuck
than they should have for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
The flip side of that is that when we moved
to Florida in January of twenty twenty two, and that was,
you know, we had already done like five months in
Florida in twenty twenty one, and we went back to
New York trying to figure things out and realize we
can't stay there and made the permanent move. When we
moved down here, even I met like even liberals down here,
they'd be like, oh, what made you leave New York?
(22:51):
And I'd be like, oh, the COVID insanity And they'd
be like, what are you talking about? And I was like, well,
our kids are still masking there, and they're like what
in twenty twenty two And they had no idea, Like
there was no way for them to really understand what
was going on. I was like, kind, only am my
kids masking in January twenty two when we moved down here.
They were eating lunch outside on the ground in the
(23:11):
cold in New York, pulling their mask down between bites.
And my middle son, who is argumentative and loves to debate,
was constantly getting into these fights with staff and other students.
Other students was like, actually a big one. They'd be like,
you know, pull up your mask, pull up your mask,
and he'd be like, it doesn't work anyway. And it
was just but at the same time, old people like
(23:34):
you know, you say, old people, young people. It was
a major difference in COVID, you know, poor outcomes. Old
people in New York were dining inside at restaurants full on,
masks off, and everything was fine. It just none of
it made any sense. And that is what I had
to get my kids away from. I kept thinking that
(23:54):
I can't have them living in this crazy place doing
these crazy things that we all know in Jack and
you were of twenty twenty two don't work.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We were also in a crazy place because we're in
northern Virginia. But we had a sort of a crew
of people who were doctors, nurses, law enforcement, or military
and they just had to work. We all they were
all working, and so all of our houses were to
some extent exposed, and.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We were all dirty.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Pretty as were dirty. We were all pretty comfortable with
the idea that we were exposed and that that was
just how life worked. And so we would hang out
together and you know, be icky together.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Right right where people like looking at us like you guys,
are you know you're just too loose, noting around too much?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It was wild. At one point in twenty twenty, I
offered to have kids at my home who had essential
worker parents who couldn't have child care for them. And
I was like, look, we're not a pod like we're exposed,
but if you have kids that you need care for,
please don't shame me. But I'm offering my home as
a place that they could do zoom class I can supervise.
(25:06):
Just putting that Facebook post up was so scary because
I knew someone was going to jump in the worse
and say, how dare you do this to your neighborhood.
You're going to kill somebody's grandma. By the way, our
grandparents and our family were like, oh, we will be
seeing the children.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
My mom like three weeks in. It was like, this
is the longest six months of my life.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
We did.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I think we waited like a moteless away anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think we made it. We waited like a month
and a half. And then I was like, maybe we
should do outdoors because I was more worried about them. Sure, yes,
and the grandparent parents and our family luckily all quite healthy.
We're like, nah, I'm just gonna hang out because we're family,
and we did it and everybody was fine, right, but
you know, I just to wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's five years. We obviously are over a lot of it,
not over some other stuff, but we did have a
lot of negativity thrown at us, and we were right.
You know, I got threats. I'm sure you did.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Two.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
In November of twenty twenty, I wrote spend Thanksgiving with
your family, and that got me an avalanche of abuse
on the internets. Yes, of course, all the people who
told us not to spend Thanksgiving with our families, like
my then governor now possible New York City mayor candidate
Andrew Pomo. He was planning to spend it with his family.
(26:31):
So while we were supposed to not see our families
on Thanksgiving, the people in charge were totally doing whatever
they wanted.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Doctor Burks did the same thing, Yeah, Gavin Newsome.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, they all just did whatever they wanted, and
we took a lot of abuse for it, and I
definitely feel like we came out stronger on the other side.
But I'm not quite forgiven that yet, not that anybody's
asked for that. Forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, I know that's not top of their minds. Well,
there is one sort of consequence that is rearing its
head this week, which we will close out with. Just
for the stats for you guys, half of the Department
of Education, Federal Department of Education is now laid off.
They were told to leave by six pm from their
headquarters yesterday in Washington, although I hope they sent that
(27:17):
email out before too, because ain't nobody was at the
Department of Education at six pm. You got to catch them, Merlin. Yeah,
thirteen hundred people laid off. There will be rending of garments,
there will be screaming from Randy Winegarden. These people didn't
care about disruptions in education, not at all. They only
(27:38):
care about a disruption in the racket of the pass
through of bureaucratic funds that go straight to their pockets
and not largely to education. So when people complain about this,
I will be checking to see if they complained about
the eighteen months that every child in every public school
in every major metro area was out of school. Yeah,
(28:01):
because this is the consequence of losing public trust and
not doing your job.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's right. This is the fo to the fa yep,
I didn't give up cursing for lent. I could have
just said it, but I'm with you in solidarity.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Thank you. That's very good.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
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