March 20, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck delve into a variety of engaging topics. They start by discussing the peculiar admiration that college-educated white women have for Vladimir Zelensky, as revealed by recent data. This leads to a broader conversation about the ideological divide between different demographic groups in the U.S. The hosts also touch on the internal conflicts within the Democratic Party, particularly the criticism aimed at Chuck Schumer from within his own ranks. The discussion then shifts to the ongoing war on Tesla and the broader implications for the American economy. Clay and Buck highlight the absurdity of Democrats rooting against an American car company that is at the forefront of innovation and climate change efforts. They also address the economic illiteracy of such positions and the potential negative impacts on the U.S. economy. The hour includes insights from Kevin O'Leary and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who both defend Tesla and its contributions to American industry. The final segment features a lively conversation with guest Ryan Girdusky, who provides data-driven insights into the shifting political landscape. They explore the growing support for Trump among minority groups and the generational divide in political preferences. The hour wraps up with listener talkbacks, including humorous comments about March Madness and a playful debate about the pronunciation of "Tesla."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to the.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Third hour of the Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show,
and we have our friend Ryan Gerdusky joining us at
the bottom to talk about some data and particularly diving
into what we learned about college educated, white college educated
women yesterday. They idolize Vladimir Zelenski, which is very strange
(00:26):
for a lot of women who I think have probably
very likely very few of them ever seen combat, know
anything about war or the military, but they're all about Zelenski.
So the propaganda there has clearly clearly been effective. We'll
talk to Ryan about that. Democrats are turning on Schumer,
which is not a surprise because they're in the panic
(00:49):
phase of things.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is where in Lord of the Flies they all
start sharpening sticks and just poking each other with them
because they don't know what else to do and there's
no real leadership.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Remember it's a great book. You remember reading Lord of
the Flies in school back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Lord of the Flies, Buck is my argument. Yeah, everybody
has one friend who reads like one book and tries
to analogize everything that ever happened, you know, like not
somebody who reads a lot of books. I had a
buddy who read like one book in his whole life,
and it was Lord of the Flies. And he would
try he would try to analogize anything that happened to
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the one book that he had ever read, which was
Lord of the Flies.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, that's like a lot of people now with Harry Potter.
No offense because I know you read a lot of
other things too, and you're a Harry Potter guy. But
everything is Voldemort, everything is the Quidditch. You know that
Harry Potter became so dominant.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
At least there are seven Harry Potters, although a lot
of people didn't even read them and they just watched
the movies.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I didn't either, So there we go. I probably should
get on that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Now we have.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Democrats turning in each other, turning on Schumer, and
we've got all that happening. But I wanted to some
time here on the the war on Tesla and how
it factors into as well the Democrat approach to the economy.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So let's just let's look at what's going on here
right now.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
The fact that you have these Democrats openly rooting against
a an all American car company, one that you know
the cars are manufactured here maybe they've got the huge
facility in Texas. I think eighty thousand people work for Tesla,
play eighty thousand jobs. If you believe that climate change
(02:33):
is any kind of threat, never mind existential, you should
think that what Tesla's doing. Because remember, it's not just
the cars, it's the technology. It's autonomous driving, it's the interface,
it's the battery technology, it's you know, how far are
we from starlink being able to control all the cars?
And maybe we get Vitol so vertical takeoff, you know,
(02:54):
and landing for meeting the basically flying cars. I mean,
things are going to get really interesting in our.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Lifetime, folks.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So that's pretty cool, right, well, not if you're Tim Walls,
who thinks he can beat you up, I might add,
and I mean you not Clay like you listening to
the Tim Wallas thinks he.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Can take you in a fight.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think we have legions of great I think we
have lesions of guys over seventy five that would smoke
Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Did you see our eighty six.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Year old listener who emailed me about that is one
of the funs. I need to read that email at
some point, because that was a great email. I know
the conservative talk radio audience and there are guys over
seventy five that will whoop my ass, so I definitely
know they would take Tim Walls in a fight. But
Caroline Levitt at the White House, speaking as the Press Secretary,
(03:40):
just goes after this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I mean, it's astonishing. It's outrageous that he is rooting
for the failure of a company again because Elon wants
to cut government waste.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Play eight Governor Walt saying last night he frequently checks
Tesla's stock and doing so to quote give me a
little boost during the day. How should america cans view
politicians who take pride in the downfall of an American
car company.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I think that's quite sad.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
But I think Governor Walls unfortunately is living a sad
existence after his devastating defeat on November fifth.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It is it is sad, and his defeat was devastating.
It's sad, though, that somebody would be rooting ford America.
Think about what that means. It's not just Tesla, it
is a I mean, you and I have never sat
here been like you know what I want. I want
Amazon to go bankrupt because it employs huge numbers of people.
It's an enormously valuable company, and it has been incredibly effective.
(04:37):
I mean it has saved millions, maybe billions of man
hours for people. And look, I know Jeff Bezos is
more on our team now than he used to be,
but he's still not really on our team.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We're all very aware of this.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But to root for a huge American company, it'd be
like sitting your clay and just saying, you know, I
want Ford in General Motors to just cease to exist
and all their people to get fired because I don't
like what this. I don't like who the Sea voted for.
There's something deranged about this. I think two things that
are important here.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
One, if you truly cared about climate change, then the
idea that you would want Tesla to fail is the
most heretical thing that you could possibly say, because I'm
not sure there's any company in America that has done
more to fight climate change. And this is supposed to be,
as we talked about yesterday, an existential threat to the
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entire world and to our nation. And yet you have
Tim Walls out there saying that he's checking to see
what the stock price is because he's rooting for Tesla
to fail. That doesn't add up if you actually believe
that climate change is the existential threat. And I think
what it forces Democrats to do is decide what do
we hate more, climate change or Trump? And the reality
(05:50):
is they hate Trump more than anything, and so the
Elon connection to Trump means they root against it. Second,
choosing whether or not to spend your money on products
based on what whether they share your values or not,
is I think a very rational choice to make. I
would argue that Tesla actually shares the values of Democrats,
but leaving that aside, what is not is when, for instance,
(06:12):
we said, hey, bud Light's got a trans spokesperson, maybe
drink another beer, we didn't say and throw Molotov cocktails
at people driving around in Budweiser trucks. What the left
has done with Elon is not only reject their own
principles upon which they stand, but actually take it to
(06:33):
the next step. They're lighting Tesla's on fire everywhere. People
are getting busted on the Tesla cameras, keying Tesla vehicles
all over the place, behaving in a fundamentally ridiculous and
frankly violent manner over this, and to me, it just
(06:53):
kind of ties in with It's one thing to make
a decision about a product that you like or don't like.
We said, hey, you make a great product. The benefit
typically is even if you disagree with the product, you'll
probably still consume it. When we say Chick fil A,
there's nobody who I'm sorry, there's nobody who makes the
better chicken sandwich than Chick fil A. And one of
the great things about the Chick fil A sandwich, by
(07:14):
the way, buck is the pickle. Lots of gay people,
lots of gay people out there rolled into Chick fil
A like crazy. They're like, ah, you know, I wish
they supported gay marriage, but man, their chicken nuggets are
just so good. I'm going to go in and get
them anyway. Right second, we talked about this yesterday before
you strict a stroke it strick. It had it stricken
(07:36):
for the record, Yes, when you talked about how much
your wife Carie loves Costco, I also love Costco. Costco
Estate committed to DEI I think they're wrong there. They're
still the best warehouse shopping center option out there, and
I still really like their samples, and I'm still gonna
spend money at Costco. Their brand is so good, much
(07:58):
like Chick fil A, that even if they have politics
that are somewhat different than me, that I'm not going
to shop I'm going to continue to shop there. Tesla
makes the best electric vehicle in the world, is my understanding.
I'm not an expert on this, but the people who
have Tesla's rave about them. Buck, and this is one
reason I'm looking at potentially buying one. You're looking at
potentially buying one. I want to stand up and say, hey,
(08:21):
I believe in American exceptionalism. I think Elon Musk is
an exceptional American capitalist in all facets, and I would
like to believe that it is rational Americans out there
who aren't going to punish him because he's trying to
make the government more efficient.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Buck in his free time, Like he didn't have to
do this at all.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
He's just giving back to the country to try to
make sure that our deficit doesn't drown all of us
in red ink.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And you've got a couple of voices weighing in on this,
defending the Remember it's not really that defending Elon personally.
This is about the company. It's about Tesla, which is
doing great things. It's innovating, it's employing people, it's making
incredible products. You know, we're there's so much about it.
It's here in America. The cars are made here in America.
(09:11):
It's not some you know, we're not We're not having
some sweatshop somewhere putting together iPhones. Just saying again, I
wish I could tell you I don't have an iPhone.
I do, but it's because I don't like the other options.
And you know, but I'm aware of what goes on here, right,
it's not always perfect to make these make these kinds
of choices. Kevin O'Leary, though, points out that Tim Watts
(09:32):
is a bozo. This is mister wonderful cut nine.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'm talking about Tim Walls and his comments about the
TESTA stock. He says it gives him a boost to
see that stock going down.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
That poor guy didn't check his portfolio and his own
pension plan for state.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's beyond stupid what he did.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
He's talking down a.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Three and a half percent waiting in his own pension plan.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, what's the matter with that guy doesn't check
the well being.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Of his own constituency?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
That your mind?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
What a Bozone.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He's pointing out the economic illiteracy of somebody like it,
Tim Walls. Companies like Tesla are what have been moving
the market in recent years, which means four one ks,
which means pension plans.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
The growth of the major American corporations is lifting up
the overall market. And even if you think, oh, I'm
not in the market, oh no, you're in the market
because it affects the cost of borrowing. It affects the
cost of your rent or your mortgage, or the payments
on your car, or the credit card interest rates that
you have. There is no escaping the market if you're
(10:37):
operating in America today and to want companies whether it's
Tesla or in Video or you know, the Magnificent seven
stocks will talk about when you root for those to fill,
you're rooting actually for the American economy to feel pain
and there to be less wealth in this country. And
that's what they're doing because they don't like Elon because
he's too nice to Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And again they're also rooting for climate change, which is
like at its most basic level, did you see this
idiot astronaut Mark Kelly, senator from Arizona, went and traded
in his Tesla and went and got a gas guzzling
suv to replace it.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So what is the story that you support? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean again, I think part of being adulthood you
mentioned the iPhone. Part of being an adult is recognizing
that everybody's not going to agree with you on every
single thing and still making decisions that are somewhat rational
when it comes to products, right, Like, I don't want
my toilet paper to have a strong position on any
(11:37):
political issue. I just want them to kind of make
toilet paper that doesn't fail, right, that actually works.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I think most.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Americans I don't want my cat litter brand to send
me an email about what they think about BLM. I
think most Americans just want the product itself to not
take a particular stand. Elon has not said that Tesla
has a particular.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Stand, right.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
This is Elon Musk individual donating his time to try
to make the government more efficient. It isn't actually directly
connected to Tesla at all. It would be different if
he had said, Hey, and I don't want any Democrat
to drive my car. I would think that's a really
bad move. I'm old school Buck, I'm like Michael Jordan
(12:23):
Republicans by sneakers.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Too, right, like you should try to appeal to everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
The Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, who has been very outspoken
about a lot of things in the economy. He spoke,
he's straight up said now he's a senior government official,
cabinet member. Well, I'll let you listen to what he
said about Tesla play ten.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
He's the guy who's going to build the next generation technology.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think if you want to learn something.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
On this show tonight by Tesla, it's unbelievable that this
guy stock is this cheap. It'll never be this cheap again.
When people understand the things he's building, the robots he's building,
the technology he's building, people are going to be dreaming
of today and Jesse Wards and thinking, gosh, I should
have bought Elon Musk's stock. I mean, who wouldn't invest
(13:08):
in Elon Musk? You gotta be kidding, all right, So
you're calling the bottom. This is it?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Whether today's the bottom or not. I tell you what,
Elon Musk.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Is probably the best person to bet on I've ever met.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
There, you go, pretty strong endorsement.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Buck Yeah, The Commerce Secretary effectively saying this is the
most impressive CEO living today in the world.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's a big deal, I thought, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And and he's trying to help the government instead of
just running his incredible companies.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So yeah, says something. And again I just teesl is
not doing anything. Bud Whighte did something, right. We didn't say, oh,
the bud Light ceo did something, and therefore you can't
drink bud Light anymore. Eon Musk runs a company, but
he has the right to free speech. He has the
right to make voices. The Tesla Corporation is not actually
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Speaker 1 (15:40):
Welcome back in.
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Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
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out there knocking down and continuing to dive into a
lot of them what we've been talking about. David says,
I just want to let you know you hit the
nail on the head with your Chick fil A and
gay people comment. As a gay man, Chick fil A
(16:03):
has the best chicken sandwich, hands down.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I will always support them. Thanks for all you do.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Again, I think, ultimately the thing that matters the most,
Buck is are you putting out a great product into
the marketplace and if you are, over time, you win.
Speaking of which, thanks to the seventy five new affiliates
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We love all you guys.
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We understand that some of you are new to the team,
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I think what's the tally, Buck, you asked five fifty
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So that is a testament. We appreciate all of you
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for supporting everything that we're doing here. Now we have
some talkbacks to get to and so much. Well, you
know what, here, Clay, I'm gonna skip the March Madness talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Maybe we can get to them at the end if
you want. But there are a lot of people who
have waited on that one, very vociferously to tell us
they don't want to hear about March madness. And I
will tell you that I didn't. I haven't studied up
all these years and gone as deep into my expertise
of March madness as I have to never talk about it.
So we are going to talk about it because hopefully
(17:26):
I can be Clay in the bracket challenge, which will
just give me bragging rights for a few days, but
beyond that, Clay will be the one giving you the
finals of the rather the final analysis on it. Although
we both think Florida is gonna win, which is funny
because I just picked that because I love Florida and
my wife is a Gator.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's all that I know.
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The poor Gators are definitely cursed with both you and
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great to have you with us.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, we're good man. So so you said, we have
a lot of things to run by you. But first off,
what was your biggest takeaway when you looked at those
numbers that were released yesterday where the outlier extraordinaire was
white college educated women who are apparently obsessed with Zelenski
and d Ei.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Yeah, I don't think that's shocked anybody. Those with the
NBC polls that they held from Sunday, they just live.
White men without a college degree and white women with
a college degree don't live in the same country. I mean,
they just fundamentally don't. Men without a white man without
a college degree live in Texas and white women without
a college with a college degree live in like Sweden.
(19:52):
So it's just it's not they don't they don't have
the same concerns, they don't have the same issues. It's
it's bizarre. And what I can kind of I can
kind of like sit there and really break it into
an ideology is that one has a very comfortable level
of living and one does not. If your biggest issue
with Zelenski, you're probably not worry that much about your
monthly bills or an illegal alien, you know, attacking you
(20:16):
or breaking to your ranch if you live on the border.
This is just a completely different life that they live.
And yeah, I mean it's it's a totally different world.
And it makes for bad politics because white women with
a college degree who are on the left are getting
more radicalized, They're getting further to the left, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So does the problem get resolved in any way if
abortion becomes less of a national political issue and more
of an individual state issue, Because it seems like to me,
and I'm curious if you buy this thesis Ryan that
democrats have uniquely exploited the fears of educated white women
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when it comes to reproductive rights, and that that is
the motivating actor for many of them, particularly if you're
in your twenties or thirties. Given the fact that abortion,
whatever you think about it, the numbers haven't really changed
that much since Roe v.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Wade was overturned.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Is the impact of abortion as a national political issue
maybe something that could bring these women back to some
measure of political sanity or not.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
No, I don't think that it's abortion. I mean, I
think abortion is part of the question, but part of it,
certainly a large part. But the second the biggest group
of white women to vote for Democrats or white women
in their late twenties early thirties, that would be the
abortion group. The second largest were white women over the
age of seventy but under the age of eighty. So
if it was just an abortion thing.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
If that's fascinating, what do you think is motivating those
white women college educated seventy to eighty because again, abortion,
to your point, I don't think they're getting abortions.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah, they're watching MSNBC and Rachel Maddow and they are
BLM and they are listen. The baby boomer generation was
the very it was the second most progressive generation to millennials.
I mean they are a progressive generation. And if your
entire life is basically politics, which I mean for a
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lot of a lot of women in their seventies and
eighties who either a don't have husbands because they passed
away or they never married, or they don't have children
or grandchildren because their millennial children never had children, politics
becomes a bigger and bigger and bigger issue in your life.
And what we saw in the other thing that came
out on Monday, which I what about for the National
(22:38):
papas news that are David Shore's thing, David Shorre's big
piece on data was that people who paid attention to
politics a lot voted very, very heavily to Kamala Harrison.
People who got their news from mainstream media outlets. If
you look at the average CNN or MSNBC viewer, they
are over the age of seventy years old. They are
seven year old, usually college educated or non college You
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can mostly collegeducated white women who obsess about politics. It
is their religion, it's their QBC, it's there, it's the
children that they didn't have with the grandchilren they didn't have.
It becomes their whole world and that's why it's it's
it's become so toxic. And they also fall in line
on every issue. They're not only for BLM they have
long COVID. They don't only have long COVID. They need
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to protect abortion rights. They don't only any protect abortion rights.
They need to protect trans rights in Angola through you
know the usai D. Every single you know, tyranny is
on them, is on the run, every single second of
every single day. If you hear them, it's exhausting to
live that way. But that's the that's the second biggest
group outside of like late twenty early thirties. It's not abortion.
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It's just straight up ideology. And perhaps because they live
in such comfortable environments suburbs, wealthy parts of cities, they
don't have to worry about crime or or you know
the fact that they'n't have money coming in the next month,
they're probably living pretty comfortably.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So Ryan want to.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Ask you about the slew of people including Gail King,
Nancy Pelosi and others who are really given Schumer some
rough stuff. Is this just about the cr that he
went along with so that the government didn't shut down.
I mean we could expect that. Or is this going
deeper to the power struggle within the Democrat Party right now?
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And if so, who is angling to take over what
feels like a ship that has sprung many leaks over
at Democrat land.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Well, I think the fact that not only did he
vote for the cr but he left vulnerable House Democrats.
I mean they all voted against it except for Jared
Golden up in main. Second, you have a dozen Democrats
who live in Trump districts who just voted to shut
down the government and they just vote against all the
things that that means, all the funding for military and
(24:51):
veterans and seniors and everything. And there will be a
campaign commercial coming to every one of those districts in
a few the next year and thirteen months or fifteen
months saying, you know, insert Democrat here voted to shut
down your government and suspend your you know, payments to
your veterans. That is going to hurt them and it's
going to be so toxic and it makes them look
(25:12):
like they can't govern. And you know, they say they
can't get anything out of it. They got the old
Biden budget. I mean, there was like a thing ten
billion in cuts. There's nothing really in cuts substantial, but
it makes them look bad, makes most like they can't govern.
And who replaces Schumer? I don't know who's gonna it
used to be with like Dick Durbin, he's eighty three,
he's on his way out. It won't be Bernie. I mean,
Elizabeth Warren is seventy six. It has to be somebody
(25:34):
who can bring in a lot of money, because that's
really a big part of the job, as being leaders
who can raise a lot of money. It's not like
Kirsten Gillibrand. They have a big, big.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Issue who is the best? Who's the best fundraiser? Ryan,
because you'd actually know this, And I'm just curious because
you're who's the best Democrat fundraiser?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Now, who's under sixty five?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
The best fundraiser on the Republican side is? I think
I'm pretty sure it's Tim Scott for sure on the
Senate side. Since Scott's the best fundraiser on the Democratic side,
I believe it's Schumer in his pack. Schumer and his
packs raise over one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But I'm talking about the younger generation. Is there anybody
who's already starting to.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Say AOC for sure? Corey Bush is AOC.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
AOC.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Yeah, AOC raises that bucket loads of money, Yeah, and
she usually gives it all away.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
We're talking to Ryan Gerdusky. Ryan, I love the data
that you bring to bear. Encourage people to check out
your podcast. The data reflects that Trump did not actually
do better with white voters, right, The white voters from
like twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four have stayed basically
similar and that in fact moved a little bit Democrat maybe,
(26:44):
but that the reason why Trump won in all fifty states.
Black Hispanic Asian support rising. I'm curious is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Now the Trump Yeah? Is that Trump support?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You think as we look ahead to twenty six and
twenty eight, how much of that do you think is
attributable to Trump himself as opposed to the Republican Party.
In other words, does that movement continue if it's JD
Vance or someone like that, or is Trump a unique
political unicorn in that respect?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
So this is the episode for a numbers Game podcast
that's coming out next Monday. I'm super excited about this.
Data comes from David Shore, who's a Democrat, a data scientist.
He's brilliant and very very smart his data, and he
did a really deep dout of not only like exit polling,
but where people were voting and looking at voting files.
What happened was between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump
(27:35):
lost about one to two percent of the white vote
in between those two elections. He gained all that back
in twenty twenty four. So there were Trump or Gary
Johnson Biden Trump voters. There was that swing basically all
the people but for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary and
then voted for Biden, came back to Trump. That was
(27:56):
that was worth one point five percent of his three
point nine game. Half came from white people. The other
half came from minorities. He didn't gain that much with blacks,
It was a small amount. The biggest was Black conservatives.
He gained about eight points over the course the last
eight years. But among Hispanic moderates he gained twenty three points.
In twenty sixteen, Hillary won eighty one percent of Hispanic moderates.
(28:19):
Trump won fifty sorry Kamala one fifty eight percent eight
years later, so from eighty one to fifty eight. The
other part was Asian moderates. Hillary won seventy eight, Kamala
won sixty seven, a double digit drop among moderates in
the Asian community. Is this a Trump thing? Partially, but
it's part of a larger national story. In England you
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see the Conservative Party doing better among minorities. In Canada,
you see the Conservatives doing better among minorities. It is
a thing that along the entire West where you've started
seeing part of minorities, part of the minority coalition vote
their ideology instead of their race, which they usually vote
their race over their ideology. Is it a Trump thing?
That's a great question. Actually, Trump was more of a
(29:01):
deterrent than a supplier of this. The people who don't
trust the Democratic Party is higher than the people who
voted for Trump. Had everybody been voting, voted have forced
to vote. David Shore's estimates that Trump wouldn't have won
by one point seven points percent, he would have won
by five percent. Because when you ask on issues like
(29:23):
everything from like AI to poverty, to not only just
the economy and immigration, but student loans, they trust Republicans
way more than Democrats. The only issue Democrats have a
sizeable advantage that people care on an issue that people
care about is healthcare. That is the only issue that
they have over Republicans on everything else. They have a deep,
(29:46):
deep distrust of the Democratic Party. And I'll say one
more thing. Voters who got their information from social media
were much more inclined to vote for Trump. The biggest group,
the biggest demographic to vote for Trump. According to David
shr data, white men under the age of twenty, seventy
five percent of white men under twenty voted for Trump.
(30:07):
That is the largest demographic of any group ever, more
than seniors, more than any other racial group. Trump won
a majority of voters under twenty, white women, white men,
and non white men. The only group under twenty that
Trump lost to Kamala Harris were non white women.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's amazing, stat it is amazing. Yeah, you think that's COVID.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Yeah, it's yes, it's completely COVID. It is the lockdown generation.
Lockdowns split Gen Wiz zoomers in half. So older zoomers
who had already gone through the high school experience and
graduated or were even past college. They are much more
liberal than those who were lockdown and misgraduations games. Friends,
(30:52):
They were getting all their news on the Internet, and
they were coming at a time where the BLM riots
were happening, that me too was happening, and there was
age of Internet personalities, everyone from Jordan Peterson to Ben
Shapiro to more nefarious characters in the Internet. But nonetheless
still they were being inundated with information from social media,
free of the gates that the regular media provides. And
(31:16):
so the younger generation right now is the most Republicans.
Eighteen to twenty year olds in the last election are
the most Republican generation according to the David Shore data,
which I do trust, the most republican generation since the
greatest generation the fought World War Two. That is how
far right wing, especially white men under the age of twenty,
the most republican generation we have seen probably in sixty
(31:38):
to seventy years.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Go check out more from Ryan Gerdusky with It's a
Numbers Game, his podcast on the Klay and Buck Network.
He does the best data analysis of anybody in the game.
And subscribe to who is National Populist newsletter on substack.
Ryan really interesting as always, man, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Thank you.
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It was gonna say, it's like the Tesla of coffee,
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But we've got a clip here we'll play for you
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I'm being lit up for not pronouncing tesla correctly enough.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm not the pronunciation expert on anything, as you will
regularly learn if you listen to this program. But the
Crack staff has found out that Elon and I pronounced
the name of the company the same way.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Listen, they're firing bullets into dealerships. They're just smashing up Tesla.
Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything harmful,
all right, like a ze, not like an S.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So for all of you out there pronunciation police, take
it up with Elon dive into his mentions.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But representatives of the company have said this has been
a controversy for a while because people who cover the
stock on TV will say it both ways too, and
everyone's they say it's like Islam or Islam. You can
say it either way and nobody cares. So those the
pronunciation police on this one need to pull their cruiser
over and turn off the lights, because it's okay. This
(35:32):
is one where I'm not actually screwing it up. It's
a rare It's a rare one where I'm not mispronouncing something.
By the way, as we roll into what will be
tomorrow's show, I do think this is going to turn
into a really interesting debate, and we should reach out
and try to get Pam Bondi, who we have not
had on the show yet, the Attorney General of the
(35:53):
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all these federal district court judges is really going to be.
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(36:18):
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Speaker 6 (36:33):
I don't know what's going on with all these psychotic
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Speaker 1 (36:50):
Congrat's the crew. They got a dub du
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Third hour of the Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show,
and we have our friend Ryan Gerdusky joining us at
the bottom to talk about some data and particularly diving
into what we learned about college educated, white college educated
women yesterday. They idolize Vladimir Zelenski, which is very strange
(00:26):
for a lot of women who I think have probably
very likely very few of them ever seen combat, know
anything about war or the military, but they're all about Zelenski.
So the propaganda there has clearly clearly been effective. We'll
talk to Ryan about that. Democrats are turning on Schumer,
which is not a surprise because they're in the panic
(00:49):
phase of things.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is where in Lord of the Flies they all
start sharpening sticks and just poking each other with them
because they don't know what else to do and there's
no real leadership.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Remember it's a great book. You remember reading Lord of
the Flies in school back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Lord of the Flies, Buck is my argument. Yeah, everybody
has one friend who reads like one book and tries
to analogize everything that ever happened, you know, like not
somebody who reads a lot of books. I had a
buddy who read like one book in his whole life,
and it was Lord of the Flies. And he would
try he would try to analogize anything that happened to
(01:28):
the one book that he had ever read, which was
Lord of the Flies.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, that's like a lot of people now with Harry Potter.
No offense because I know you read a lot of
other things too, and you're a Harry Potter guy. But
everything is Voldemort, everything is the Quidditch. You know that
Harry Potter became so dominant.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
At least there are seven Harry Potters, although a lot
of people didn't even read them and they just watched
the movies.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I didn't either, So there we go. I probably should
get on that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Now we have.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Democrats turning in each other, turning on Schumer, and
we've got all that happening. But I wanted to some
time here on the the war on Tesla and how
it factors into as well the Democrat approach to the economy.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So let's just let's look at what's going on here
right now.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
The fact that you have these Democrats openly rooting against
a an all American car company, one that you know
the cars are manufactured here maybe they've got the huge
facility in Texas. I think eighty thousand people work for Tesla,
play eighty thousand jobs. If you believe that climate change
(02:33):
is any kind of threat, never mind existential, you should
think that what Tesla's doing. Because remember, it's not just
the cars, it's the technology. It's autonomous driving, it's the interface,
it's the battery technology, it's you know, how far are
we from starlink being able to control all the cars?
And maybe we get Vitol so vertical takeoff, you know,
(02:54):
and landing for meeting the basically flying cars. I mean,
things are going to get really interesting in our.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Lifetime, folks.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So that's pretty cool, right, well, not if you're Tim Walls,
who thinks he can beat you up, I might add,
and I mean you not Clay like you listening to
the Tim Wallas thinks he.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Can take you in a fight.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think we have legions of great I think we
have lesions of guys over seventy five that would smoke
Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Did you see our eighty six.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Year old listener who emailed me about that is one
of the funs. I need to read that email at
some point, because that was a great email. I know
the conservative talk radio audience and there are guys over
seventy five that will whoop my ass, so I definitely
know they would take Tim Walls in a fight. But
Caroline Levitt at the White House, speaking as the Press Secretary,
(03:40):
just goes after this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I mean, it's astonishing. It's outrageous that he is rooting
for the failure of a company again because Elon wants
to cut government waste.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Play eight Governor Walt saying last night he frequently checks
Tesla's stock and doing so to quote give me a
little boost during the day. How should america cans view
politicians who take pride in the downfall of an American
car company.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
I think that's quite sad.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
But I think Governor Walls unfortunately is living a sad
existence after his devastating defeat on November fifth.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It is it is sad, and his defeat was devastating.
It's sad, though, that somebody would be rooting ford America.
Think about what that means. It's not just Tesla, it
is a I mean, you and I have never sat
here been like you know what I want. I want
Amazon to go bankrupt because it employs huge numbers of people.
It's an enormously valuable company, and it has been incredibly effective.
(04:37):
I mean it has saved millions, maybe billions of man
hours for people. And look, I know Jeff Bezos is
more on our team now than he used to be,
but he's still not really on our team.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We're all very aware of this.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
But to root for a huge American company, it'd be
like sitting your clay and just saying, you know, I
want Ford in General Motors to just cease to exist
and all their people to get fired because I don't
like what this. I don't like who the Sea voted for.
There's something deranged about this. I think two things that
are important here.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
One, if you truly cared about climate change, then the
idea that you would want Tesla to fail is the
most heretical thing that you could possibly say, because I'm
not sure there's any company in America that has done
more to fight climate change. And this is supposed to be,
as we talked about yesterday, an existential threat to the
(05:26):
entire world and to our nation. And yet you have
Tim Walls out there saying that he's checking to see
what the stock price is because he's rooting for Tesla
to fail. That doesn't add up if you actually believe
that climate change is the existential threat. And I think
what it forces Democrats to do is decide what do
we hate more, climate change or Trump? And the reality
(05:50):
is they hate Trump more than anything, and so the
Elon connection to Trump means they root against it. Second,
choosing whether or not to spend your money on products
based on what whether they share your values or not,
is I think a very rational choice to make. I
would argue that Tesla actually shares the values of Democrats,
but leaving that aside, what is not is when, for instance,
(06:12):
we said, hey, bud Light's got a trans spokesperson, maybe
drink another beer, we didn't say and throw Molotov cocktails
at people driving around in Budweiser trucks. What the left
has done with Elon is not only reject their own
principles upon which they stand, but actually take it to
(06:33):
the next step. They're lighting Tesla's on fire everywhere. People
are getting busted on the Tesla cameras, keying Tesla vehicles
all over the place, behaving in a fundamentally ridiculous and
frankly violent manner over this, and to me, it just
(06:53):
kind of ties in with It's one thing to make
a decision about a product that you like or don't like.
We said, hey, you make a great product. The benefit
typically is even if you disagree with the product, you'll
probably still consume it. When we say Chick fil A,
there's nobody who I'm sorry, there's nobody who makes the
better chicken sandwich than Chick fil A. And one of
the great things about the Chick fil A sandwich, by
(07:14):
the way, buck is the pickle. Lots of gay people,
lots of gay people out there rolled into Chick fil
A like crazy. They're like, ah, you know, I wish
they supported gay marriage, but man, their chicken nuggets are
just so good. I'm going to go in and get
them anyway. Right second, we talked about this yesterday before
you strict a stroke it strick. It had it stricken
(07:36):
for the record, Yes, when you talked about how much
your wife Carie loves Costco, I also love Costco. Costco
Estate committed to DEI I think they're wrong there. They're
still the best warehouse shopping center option out there, and
I still really like their samples, and I'm still gonna
spend money at Costco. Their brand is so good, much
(07:58):
like Chick fil A, that even if they have politics
that are somewhat different than me, that I'm not going
to shop I'm going to continue to shop there. Tesla
makes the best electric vehicle in the world, is my understanding.
I'm not an expert on this, but the people who
have Tesla's rave about them. Buck, and this is one
reason I'm looking at potentially buying one. You're looking at
potentially buying one. I want to stand up and say, hey,
(08:21):
I believe in American exceptionalism. I think Elon Musk is
an exceptional American capitalist in all facets, and I would
like to believe that it is rational Americans out there
who aren't going to punish him because he's trying to
make the government more efficient.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Buck in his free time, Like he didn't have to
do this at all.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
He's just giving back to the country to try to
make sure that our deficit doesn't drown all of us
in red ink.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And you've got a couple of voices weighing in on this,
defending the Remember it's not really that defending Elon personally.
This is about the company. It's about Tesla, which is
doing great things. It's innovating, it's employing people, it's making
incredible products. You know, we're there's so much about it.
It's here in America. The cars are made here in America.
(09:11):
It's not some you know, we're not We're not having
some sweatshop somewhere putting together iPhones. Just saying again, I
wish I could tell you I don't have an iPhone.
I do, but it's because I don't like the other options.
And you know, but I'm aware of what goes on here, right,
it's not always perfect to make these make these kinds
of choices. Kevin O'Leary, though, points out that Tim Watts
(09:32):
is a bozo. This is mister wonderful cut nine.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'm talking about Tim Walls and his comments about the
TESTA stock. He says it gives him a boost to
see that stock going down.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
That poor guy didn't check his portfolio and his own
pension plan for state.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's beyond stupid what he did.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
He's talking down a.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Three and a half percent waiting in his own pension plan.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, what's the matter with that guy doesn't check
the well being.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Of his own constituency?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
That your mind?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
What a Bozone.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He's pointing out the economic illiteracy of somebody like it,
Tim Walls. Companies like Tesla are what have been moving
the market in recent years, which means four one ks,
which means pension plans.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
The growth of the major American corporations is lifting up
the overall market. And even if you think, oh, I'm
not in the market, oh no, you're in the market
because it affects the cost of borrowing. It affects the
cost of your rent or your mortgage, or the payments
on your car, or the credit card interest rates that
you have. There is no escaping the market if you're
(10:37):
operating in America today and to want companies whether it's
Tesla or in Video or you know, the Magnificent seven
stocks will talk about when you root for those to fill,
you're rooting actually for the American economy to feel pain
and there to be less wealth in this country. And
that's what they're doing because they don't like Elon because
he's too nice to Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And again they're also rooting for climate change, which is
like at its most basic level, did you see this
idiot astronaut Mark Kelly, senator from Arizona, went and traded
in his Tesla and went and got a gas guzzling
suv to replace it.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So what is the story that you support? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean again, I think part of being adulthood you
mentioned the iPhone. Part of being an adult is recognizing
that everybody's not going to agree with you on every
single thing and still making decisions that are somewhat rational
when it comes to products, right, Like, I don't want
my toilet paper to have a strong position on any
(11:37):
political issue. I just want them to kind of make
toilet paper that doesn't fail, right, that actually works.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I think most.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Americans I don't want my cat litter brand to send
me an email about what they think about BLM. I
think most Americans just want the product itself to not
take a particular stand. Elon has not said that Tesla
has a particular.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Stand, right.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
This is Elon Musk individual donating his time to try
to make the government more efficient. It isn't actually directly
connected to Tesla at all. It would be different if
he had said, Hey, and I don't want any Democrat
to drive my car. I would think that's a really
bad move. I'm old school Buck, I'm like Michael Jordan
(12:23):
Republicans by sneakers.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Too, right, like you should try to appeal to everyone.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
The Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, who has been very outspoken
about a lot of things in the economy. He spoke,
he's straight up said now he's a senior government official,
cabinet member. Well, I'll let you listen to what he
said about Tesla play ten.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
He's the guy who's going to build the next generation technology.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think if you want to learn something.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
On this show tonight by Tesla, it's unbelievable that this
guy stock is this cheap. It'll never be this cheap again.
When people understand the things he's building, the robots he's building,
the technology he's building, people are going to be dreaming
of today and Jesse Wards and thinking, gosh, I should
have bought Elon Musk's stock. I mean, who wouldn't invest
(13:08):
in Elon Musk? You gotta be kidding, all right, So
you're calling the bottom. This is it?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Whether today's the bottom or not. I tell you what,
Elon Musk.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Is probably the best person to bet on I've ever met.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
There, you go, pretty strong endorsement.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Buck Yeah, The Commerce Secretary effectively saying this is the
most impressive CEO living today in the world.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's a big deal, I thought, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And and he's trying to help the government instead of
just running his incredible companies.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
So yeah, says something. And again I just teesl is
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Speaker 2 (17:05):
Maybe we can get to them at the end if
you want. But there are a lot of people who
have waited on that one, very vociferously to tell us
they don't want to hear about March madness. And I
will tell you that I didn't. I haven't studied up
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So we are going to talk about it because hopefully
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I can be Clay in the bracket challenge, which will
just give me bragging rights for a few days, but
beyond that, Clay will be the one giving you the
finals of the rather the final analysis on it. Although
we both think Florida is gonna win, which is funny
because I just picked that because I love Florida and
my wife is a Gator.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's all that I know.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The poor Gators are definitely cursed with both you and
I picking them. Speaking of the tournament. By the way,
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great to have you with us.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, we're good man. So so you said, we have
a lot of things to run by you. But first off,
what was your biggest takeaway when you looked at those
numbers that were released yesterday where the outlier extraordinaire was
white college educated women who are apparently obsessed with Zelenski
and d Ei.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Yeah, I don't think that's shocked anybody. Those with the
NBC polls that they held from Sunday, they just live.
White men without a college degree and white women with
a college degree don't live in the same country. I mean,
they just fundamentally don't. Men without a white man without
a college degree live in Texas and white women without
a college with a college degree live in like Sweden.
(19:52):
So it's just it's not they don't they don't have
the same concerns, they don't have the same issues. It's
it's bizarre. And what I can kind of I can
kind of like sit there and really break it into
an ideology is that one has a very comfortable level
of living and one does not. If your biggest issue
with Zelenski, you're probably not worry that much about your
monthly bills or an illegal alien, you know, attacking you
(20:16):
or breaking to your ranch if you live on the border.
This is just a completely different life that they live.
And yeah, I mean it's it's a totally different world.
And it makes for bad politics because white women with
a college degree who are on the left are getting
more radicalized, They're getting further to the left, and that's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So does the problem get resolved in any way if
abortion becomes less of a national political issue and more
of an individual state issue, Because it seems like to me,
and I'm curious if you buy this thesis Ryan that
democrats have uniquely exploited the fears of educated white women
(20:55):
when it comes to reproductive rights, and that that is
the motivating actor for many of them, particularly if you're
in your twenties or thirties. Given the fact that abortion,
whatever you think about it, the numbers haven't really changed
that much since Roe v.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Wade was overturned.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Is the impact of abortion as a national political issue
maybe something that could bring these women back to some
measure of political sanity or not.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
No, I don't think that it's abortion. I mean, I
think abortion is part of the question, but part of it,
certainly a large part. But the second the biggest group
of white women to vote for Democrats or white women
in their late twenties early thirties, that would be the
abortion group. The second largest were white women over the
age of seventy but under the age of eighty. So
if it was just an abortion thing.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
If that's fascinating, what do you think is motivating those
white women college educated seventy to eighty because again, abortion,
to your point, I don't think they're getting abortions.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah, they're watching MSNBC and Rachel Maddow and they are
BLM and they are listen. The baby boomer generation was
the very it was the second most progressive generation to millennials.
I mean they are a progressive generation. And if your
entire life is basically politics, which I mean for a
(22:17):
lot of a lot of women in their seventies and
eighties who either a don't have husbands because they passed
away or they never married, or they don't have children
or grandchildren because their millennial children never had children, politics
becomes a bigger and bigger and bigger issue in your life.
And what we saw in the other thing that came
out on Monday, which I what about for the National
(22:38):
papas news that are David Shore's thing, David Shorre's big
piece on data was that people who paid attention to
politics a lot voted very, very heavily to Kamala Harrison.
People who got their news from mainstream media outlets. If
you look at the average CNN or MSNBC viewer, they
are over the age of seventy years old. They are
seven year old, usually college educated or non college You
(22:59):
can mostly collegeducated white women who obsess about politics. It
is their religion, it's their QBC, it's there, it's the
children that they didn't have with the grandchilren they didn't have.
It becomes their whole world and that's why it's it's
it's become so toxic. And they also fall in line
on every issue. They're not only for BLM they have
long COVID. They don't only have long COVID. They need
(23:22):
to protect abortion rights. They don't only any protect abortion rights.
They need to protect trans rights in Angola through you
know the usai D. Every single you know, tyranny is
on them, is on the run, every single second of
every single day. If you hear them, it's exhausting to
live that way. But that's the that's the second biggest
group outside of like late twenty early thirties. It's not abortion.
(23:43):
It's just straight up ideology. And perhaps because they live
in such comfortable environments suburbs, wealthy parts of cities, they
don't have to worry about crime or or you know
the fact that they'n't have money coming in the next month,
they're probably living pretty comfortably.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So Ryan want to.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Ask you about the slew of people including Gail King,
Nancy Pelosi and others who are really given Schumer some
rough stuff. Is this just about the cr that he
went along with so that the government didn't shut down.
I mean we could expect that. Or is this going
deeper to the power struggle within the Democrat Party right now?
(24:20):
And if so, who is angling to take over what
feels like a ship that has sprung many leaks over
at Democrat land.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Well, I think the fact that not only did he
vote for the cr but he left vulnerable House Democrats.
I mean they all voted against it except for Jared
Golden up in main. Second, you have a dozen Democrats
who live in Trump districts who just voted to shut
down the government and they just vote against all the
things that that means, all the funding for military and
(24:51):
veterans and seniors and everything. And there will be a
campaign commercial coming to every one of those districts in
a few the next year and thirteen months or fifteen
months saying, you know, insert Democrat here voted to shut
down your government and suspend your you know, payments to
your veterans. That is going to hurt them and it's
going to be so toxic and it makes them look
(25:12):
like they can't govern. And you know, they say they
can't get anything out of it. They got the old
Biden budget. I mean, there was like a thing ten
billion in cuts. There's nothing really in cuts substantial, but
it makes them look bad, makes most like they can't govern.
And who replaces Schumer? I don't know who's gonna it
used to be with like Dick Durbin, he's eighty three,
he's on his way out. It won't be Bernie. I mean,
Elizabeth Warren is seventy six. It has to be somebody
(25:34):
who can bring in a lot of money, because that's
really a big part of the job, as being leaders
who can raise a lot of money. It's not like
Kirsten Gillibrand. They have a big, big.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Issue who is the best? Who's the best fundraiser? Ryan,
because you'd actually know this, And I'm just curious because
you're who's the best Democrat fundraiser?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Now, who's under sixty five?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
The best fundraiser on the Republican side is? I think
I'm pretty sure it's Tim Scott for sure on the
Senate side. Since Scott's the best fundraiser on the Democratic side,
I believe it's Schumer in his pack. Schumer and his
packs raise over one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But I'm talking about the younger generation. Is there anybody
who's already starting to.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Say AOC for sure? Corey Bush is AOC.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
AOC.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Yeah, AOC raises that bucket loads of money, Yeah, and
she usually gives it all away.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
We're talking to Ryan Gerdusky. Ryan, I love the data
that you bring to bear. Encourage people to check out
your podcast. The data reflects that Trump did not actually
do better with white voters, right, The white voters from
like twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four have stayed basically
similar and that in fact moved a little bit Democrat maybe,
(26:44):
but that the reason why Trump won in all fifty states.
Black Hispanic Asian support rising. I'm curious is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Now the Trump Yeah? Is that Trump support?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You think as we look ahead to twenty six and
twenty eight, how much of that do you think is
attributable to Trump himself as opposed to the Republican Party.
In other words, does that movement continue if it's JD
Vance or someone like that, or is Trump a unique
political unicorn in that respect?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
So this is the episode for a numbers Game podcast
that's coming out next Monday. I'm super excited about this.
Data comes from David Shore, who's a Democrat, a data scientist.
He's brilliant and very very smart his data, and he
did a really deep dout of not only like exit polling,
but where people were voting and looking at voting files.
What happened was between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump
(27:35):
lost about one to two percent of the white vote
in between those two elections. He gained all that back
in twenty twenty four. So there were Trump or Gary
Johnson Biden Trump voters. There was that swing basically all
the people but for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary and
then voted for Biden, came back to Trump. That was
(27:56):
that was worth one point five percent of his three
point nine game. Half came from white people. The other
half came from minorities. He didn't gain that much with blacks,
It was a small amount. The biggest was Black conservatives.
He gained about eight points over the course the last
eight years. But among Hispanic moderates he gained twenty three points.
In twenty sixteen, Hillary won eighty one percent of Hispanic moderates.
(28:19):
Trump won fifty sorry Kamala one fifty eight percent eight
years later, so from eighty one to fifty eight. The
other part was Asian moderates. Hillary won seventy eight, Kamala
won sixty seven, a double digit drop among moderates in
the Asian community. Is this a Trump thing? Partially, but
it's part of a larger national story. In England you
(28:39):
see the Conservative Party doing better among minorities. In Canada,
you see the Conservatives doing better among minorities. It is
a thing that along the entire West where you've started
seeing part of minorities, part of the minority coalition vote
their ideology instead of their race, which they usually vote
their race over their ideology. Is it a Trump thing?
That's a great question. Actually, Trump was more of a
(29:01):
deterrent than a supplier of this. The people who don't
trust the Democratic Party is higher than the people who
voted for Trump. Had everybody been voting, voted have forced
to vote. David Shore's estimates that Trump wouldn't have won
by one point seven points percent, he would have won
by five percent. Because when you ask on issues like
(29:23):
everything from like AI to poverty, to not only just
the economy and immigration, but student loans, they trust Republicans
way more than Democrats. The only issue Democrats have a
sizeable advantage that people care on an issue that people
care about is healthcare. That is the only issue that
they have over Republicans on everything else. They have a deep,
(29:46):
deep distrust of the Democratic Party. And I'll say one
more thing. Voters who got their information from social media
were much more inclined to vote for Trump. The biggest group,
the biggest demographic to vote for Trump. According to David
shr data, white men under the age of twenty, seventy
five percent of white men under twenty voted for Trump.
(30:07):
That is the largest demographic of any group ever, more
than seniors, more than any other racial group. Trump won
a majority of voters under twenty, white women, white men,
and non white men. The only group under twenty that
Trump lost to Kamala Harris were non white women.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's amazing, stat it is amazing. Yeah, you think that's COVID.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Yeah, it's yes, it's completely COVID. It is the lockdown generation.
Lockdowns split Gen Wiz zoomers in half. So older zoomers
who had already gone through the high school experience and
graduated or were even past college. They are much more
liberal than those who were lockdown and misgraduations games. Friends,
(30:52):
They were getting all their news on the Internet, and
they were coming at a time where the BLM riots
were happening, that me too was happening, and there was
age of Internet personalities, everyone from Jordan Peterson to Ben
Shapiro to more nefarious characters in the Internet. But nonetheless
still they were being inundated with information from social media,
free of the gates that the regular media provides. And
(31:16):
so the younger generation right now is the most Republicans.
Eighteen to twenty year olds in the last election are
the most Republican generation according to the David Shore data,
which I do trust, the most republican generation since the
greatest generation the fought World War Two. That is how
far right wing, especially white men under the age of twenty,
the most republican generation we have seen probably in sixty
(31:38):
to seventy years.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Go check out more from Ryan Gerdusky with It's a
Numbers Game, his podcast on the Klay and Buck Network.
He does the best data analysis of anybody in the game.
And subscribe to who is National Populist newsletter on substack.
Ryan really interesting as always, man, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Thank you.
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It was gonna say, it's like the Tesla of coffee,
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Whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm not the pronunciation expert on anything, as you will
regularly learn if you listen to this program. But the
Crack staff has found out that Elon and I pronounced
the name of the company the same way.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Listen, they're firing bullets into dealerships. They're just smashing up Tesla.
Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything harmful,
all right, like a ze, not like an S.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So for all of you out there pronunciation police, take
it up with Elon dive into his mentions.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But representatives of the company have said this has been
a controversy for a while because people who cover the
stock on TV will say it both ways too, and
everyone's they say it's like Islam or Islam. You can
say it either way and nobody cares. So those the
pronunciation police on this one need to pull their cruiser
over and turn off the lights, because it's okay. This
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is one where I'm not actually screwing it up. It's
a rare It's a rare one where I'm not mispronouncing something.
By the way, as we roll into what will be
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Buck straight to the basketball even though everyone is angry
(36:18):
about it. Not everybody. We actually had somebody who uh
with the talkback. Let's see I we can sneak this
one in the talkback that just came in from the
guy who says people need to stop being okay ss
hit it s s Tennessee.
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I don't know what's going on with all these psychotic
sportsating nerds, but telling Clay to stop talking about sports
is like trying to reason with a hungry lion. I
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