Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 20 2025 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off now, and we've got a lot
to break down with all of you, our friends plural there.
I to make sure that through Floral, our friends Julie
Kelly and Ryan Grodowski be joining Julie in the second
hour on the judicial coup that is still very much

(00:21):
underway and a major challenge for the Trump agenda, but
one I think that they are up to the task
of tackling. And then Ryan Grodusky on some of the numbers,
including Clay that discussion yesterday that we had. I had
a lot of people reaching out to me off air,
either about hearing us on the show talking about that
or even just in my life who had seen those numbers.

(00:43):
And we got to put some of these questions out
there again, like college educated white women. Zelensky is the
thing that they are the biggest outliers on how much
they love Voladimir Zelenski. There's some crazy and DEI those
go together. I think also, I saw today and it
ties in with what we were talking about yesterday. I
think because I said, if we overlaid the different groups,

(01:08):
I think what you would find is that white college
educated women are the least happy of all of those groups,
whether it's non college educated white men and women or
men who went to college. Did you see this today,
Bucket's actually really kind of sad. The United States overall
happiness index, to the extent that they track this hit

(01:28):
a all time low, and it's being driven by people
under the age of thirty. And I would bet that
it's women under the age of thirty overwhelmingly who are unhappy.
And I think it's hard not to believe at this
point that all of this isn't directly connected to social media.
I mean, if you go look at the charts overall

(01:48):
mental health rates. Now certainly COVID didn't help, but overall
mental health rates just collapsed about twenty fourteen when social
media became prevalent in everybody's lives. And I think we're
going to find out that this is like the nicotine
or cigarettes of our generation, where we allowed these phones
and the social media apps, particularly for young people, to

(02:10):
really kind of lead us astray in terms of our
life's pursuits. So there's an early big picture idea that
I think ties in with yesterday. So we've also got
some updates on the border, Tom Holman pointing out that
they are rocking on all cylinders here to enforce the law,
comparing it to Biden. We'll give you those updates. Trump

(02:32):
on the recession that people are predicting. It is not
a recession. He is not worried at all, which is
I'm sure not a surprise to any of you. The
war against Tesla, which we discussed a bit yesterday, there's
more on that. It is just insane and destructive and
wrong on every level. And I know yesterday I share

(02:53):
that I'm thinking about getting a Tesla. I'm trying to
convince carry the problem is we don't really use the
car that we have that much, or we still have
a lease on it. You have two parking spots or
one is this also in spots one car? But we
have a lot of guests to come over here, so
we have friends that come visit, so it's nice to
have a little guest spot. Anyway, thinking about getting a Tesla,
and people still go, oh, Teslas for rich You can

(03:13):
get a Tesla right now, I know I sound like
a Tesla salesman for about what you can get a
like reasonably equipped, you know, Toyota Corolla for a new
Toyota Corolla, I mean it. You can get a Tesla
for like three something a month, which is really low
compared to you know, compared to what you can see

(03:33):
across the car marketplace. Cars have been very expensive recently, anyway,
we have that, and used cars prices have been It's
not cheap to buy a car anywhere, to be frank. So,
I know people have their problems with the evs and
everything else. Okay, I get it, But the point is
they're going after Elon and they're trying to hurt his company,
and they're celebrating in its madness. But let's talk about

(03:56):
something else for a second here, or something that has
gotten both of our attention on this week, and that
is the Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer as a leader, I
guess of the Democrat Party. Still, you know, he's one
of the gray hairs. He's been around for a long time,
in the game a long time, and you're starting to
hear a little bit of the resentful. It reminds me

(04:18):
of the Obama era. You didn't build that because Trump
has completely cornered the narrative on robust capitalism, winners building
creating wealth for the country and you know, individual prosperity
and all that stuff. Democrats are the party.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
And here is Chuck Schumer on the view complaining about
Americans who want to keep more this is fourteen, keep
more of their money.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
You know what their attitude is. I made my money
all by myself. How dare your government take my money
from me. I don't want to pay taxes, or I've
built my company with my bare hands. How dare your
government tell me how I should treat my customers, the
land and water that I own, or my employees. They
hate government. Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to

(05:12):
stop them from doing things. They want to destroy it.
We are not letting them do it, and we're united.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
They're just the left wing authoritarian party, Clay, that's really
what the Democrats have become. They want to tell you
what to do with everything, and they control everything, even
though they're imbeciles. I want Democrats to apt to answer
the question. And I know we're not very far away
from April fifteenth, which is not a very happy day
for a lot of our listeners out there, But what
is a fair share? I pay forty percent of my

(05:42):
income to the federal government most years now forty percent boom.
You know, I work until May and so I'm still
working basically for the federal government. What would be a
fair share. We have an insanely, insanely aggressive tax policy

(06:03):
for people who actually pay taxes. First of all, and
very few people talk about this. Income taxes are only
paid by about fifty percent of the United States population. So,
first of all, right, off the top over, I think
it's fifty one percent of people don't pay a single
dollar in federal income tax. Now, payroll taxes is different, right,

(06:26):
I'm talking about federal income taxes. And then a lot
of you you live in New York, you're listening to
us right now, you live in California, you live in Illinois,
then you have to pay another twelve or thirteen percent
state income tax. And then that doesn't even get into
what your property taxes are going to be or what
your sales taxes are going to be. I mean, the

(06:47):
government is taxing us like crazy. And I gotta lived
to New York stage. I haven't lived in New York
in uh what going on three years now, two and
a half years, and they still want me paying taxes
there somehow it's crazy. Okay, the system we have is
absolutely nuts. I got taxed because Fox Sports is based
in LA and I would travel a lot to LA

(07:10):
to do television shows and buck. I remember when they
would take that money out of my paycheck by the day.
It's by the work day. Same thing in New York City,
same thing I think in Utah. Ifire remember correctly. When
I've been to Salt Lake City in the past, I've
had to pay like hundreds of dollars in income for
the privilege of being in Salt Lake. It's a beautiful place.
It is lovely. But I justly appreciate that Utah was

(07:32):
was grabbing into my pocket there point. We appreciate everybody
who listens in Salt Lake City, where I believe we're
number one, and by yeah your number one, you're consistently
for three plus years now, thank you, Saltlakes Great station.
I will say, like, when you look at the at
these arguments, isn't it interesting they never get pushed back.

(07:53):
They say, you need you should pay your fair share.
That's their line, what is the fair share? And I
think a lot more people are looking around in the
Doge era when we're recognizing how much money is wasted,
and this conversation becomes even more paramount than it should be,
which is it's important to all year round and all
the time. But I think Elon has elevated it. There's

(08:14):
also some big philosophical distinctions here that I think should
be made clay. For example, as we have seen from
the efforts of Elon and Doge, thank you Trump for
putting them in the game to do this. Every dollar
of government spending is somehow sacred to democrats. This is
what we've seen. Have they actually said on anything that

(08:35):
Doge has done, Look at what Doje has been finding,
look at some of the ways that your money. You know,
we talked about the transgender muppet shows in Mongolia and
all this stuff that's going on. Every dollar the government
spends is both sacred and it's not enough. There always
should be you can never cut and there always should

(08:56):
be more. Meanwhile, the American people who's hours, labor, creativity,
and effort are what is actually the economy. This is
something that democrats in the government don't really understand. It's
not that the government creates the economy. The government if
it's operating, you know, well, should create the guidely some

(09:17):
of the guidelines, the rules of the road, and enforcement
mechanisms for contracts within the economy. But it is all
of you listening who show up somewhere and build a good,
provide a service, do something that is worthwhile to society,
and you get money for that. That is the actual economy,
the productive economy, and anybody within that who feels like

(09:40):
the government that every dollar is sacred and never never
isn't enough spending. If we say that something needs to change,
that's terrible. Yeah, this, this whole thinking needs to be
flipped on its head because what are what are you
really getting for your money? With so many of these things?
What is really worthwhile? Remember we a state government too.

(10:01):
The fact that Trump's about to shut the Department of Education,
right that executive word is gonna come down and people go, oh, no, education,
the Department of Education has nothing to do with educating
your children.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
It.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
All that does is make it worse and create a
holding pen for boring bureaucrats to get paid to do nothing.
And we're wrong about everything. Covid I was reading Buck yesterday,
to the credit of The New York Times, which has
suddenly realized Hey, we screwed up everything with COVID. They
had a story about Oakland area kids Buck. And I've

(10:32):
met a bunch of these kids as I've been traveling
around and started to speak on some college campuses. These
kids in the in many parts of New York State
and California and Illinois, but this particular kids in Oakland Buck,
they shut down their schools on like March whatever it was,
fifteenth of twenty twenty. They never came back to school.

(10:53):
If you were a junior, I don't know that we
talk enough about how many kids out there, and I
know some of you are listening to us right now.
I remember we had a caller from Utah, a young
woman who was voting for the first time, eighteen year old,
talking about how angry she and some of her classmates.
We are us A great call, good memory, but I
mean it hit me because can you imagine if you're

(11:16):
out there listening to us right now, think about all
the things that happened to you when you're sixteen, seventeen,
and eighteen years old, and how embedded in an integral fashion,
so much of your life experience happens sixteen seventeen eighteen,
You remember everybody out there to a largest You'll remember
things when you're sixteen better than something that happened when

(11:37):
you're thirty six, forty six, or fifty six, because all
the years start to run together. It imprints on you
in an interesting way. Those kids went home in many
parts of our country in March of twenty twenty, and
they never came back. You miss your junior year prom
you miss your junior year spring sports season, you never

(11:59):
return and buck the article in the New York Times
talking about these kids came back at the end of
May for graduation, and they had to be six foot
distant and they didn't even recognize each other. Because also
think about how much you change in that year and
a half. They just all went home and they never
were in physical location together again. I just I get

(12:20):
angrier the more I think about it, even though it's
been five years, and so I think, for my you
tell me that I have to cut checks. It's one
thing if I think the government's doing a great job.
It's another thing if I'm still furious about what they did,
in particularly the Department of Education, to keep our kids
from being able to be in school, and they now
are at the point where I think they're on the

(12:41):
edge of seeing the Department of Education get officially shut down.
There have already been cuts made. I know a judge
is going to reverse it if he hasn't or she
hasn't already, and they'll also reverse the shutdown. And the
whole plan here is essentially to have the judicial coup
in effect for the really Trump's whole term if they
can get away with, to stop him from doing what

(13:01):
he should be able to do. But yeah, the Department
of Education and employees around forty two hundred people until
the most recent round of cuts. When you look at
what does it do? What does the Department of Education
actually do? Everything that it does is either superfluous political
or could be done by the states much more effectively

(13:23):
and much more within the federalist system that we have. Right,
Why should if you live in if you live in Texas,
why should some bureaucrats in DC be influencing the curriculum
of your school in Texas? Oh, because they have to
make sure well, they have to make sure the test
scores don't actually budge and if anything, get worse over
the last forty years. Because that's what's happened. It failure

(13:45):
within government needs to be treated like much more like
failure within the private sector, where you and I have
been at places clay where it's a fire sale and
everyone's getting fired and it stinks, and like you know,
but that is what happens. And this notion that the
government is and always will be not just existing as
it is, but growing and getting more money, that is
a change in the way that we are governed that

(14:08):
absolutely needs to happen. And look, we were just talking
about the tax situation here. IRS is a pain, all right.
I mean, I'm hoping that the IRS gets a nice
doze out of itself going here. But the IRS is
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We have our friend Ryan Gerdusky joining us at the
bottom to talk about some data and particularly diving into
what we learned about college educated white college educated women
Yesterday Day they iddalize Vladimir Zelenski, which is very strange
for a lot of women who I think have probably

(16:10):
very likely very few of them ever seen combat, know
anything about war or the military, but they're all about Zelenski.
So the propaganda there has clearly clearly been effective. We'll
talk to it Ryan about that. Democrats are turning on Schumer,
which is not a surprise because they're in the panic

(16:30):
phase of things. You know, this is where in Lord
of the Flies they all start sharpening sticks and just
poking each other with them because they don't know what
else to do and there's no real leadership. And remember
that's it's a great book. You remember reading The Lord
of the Flies in the in school back in the day.
Lord of the Flies Buck is my argument. Yeah, everybody

(16:52):
has one friend who reads like one book and tries
to analogize everything that ever happened, you know, like not
somebody who reads a lot of books. I had a
buddy who read like one book in his whole life,
and it was Lord of the Flies. And he would
try he would try to analogize anything that happened to
the one book that he had ever read, which was

(17:12):
Lord of the Flies. Well, that's like a lot of
people now with Harry Potter, no offense because I know
you read a lot of other things too, and you're
a Harry Potter guy. But everything is Voldemort, everything is
the Quidditch, you know. The Harry Potter became so dominant.
At least there are seven Harry Potters, although a lot
of people didn't even read them and they just watched
the movies. I didn't either, So there we go. I
probably should get on that. Now we have the Democrats

(17:36):
turning in each other, turning on Schumer, and we've got
all that happening. But I wanted to spend some time
here on the war on Tesla and how it factors
into as well the Democrat approach to the economy. So
let's just let's look at what's going on here right now.
The fact that you have these Democrats openly rooting against

(17:57):
an all American car company, one that you know the
cars are manufactured here. Maybe they've got the huge facility
in Texas. I think eighty thousand people work for Tesla Clay,
eighty thousand jobs. If you believe that climate change is
any kind of threat, never mind existential, you should think

(18:18):
that what Tesla's doing. Because remember, it's not just the cars,
it's the technology. It's autonomous driving, it's the interface, it's
the battery technology, it's you know, how far are we
from starlink being able to control all the cars and
maybe we get Vitol so vertical takeoff, you know, and
landing for meeting the basically flying cars. I mean, things

(18:41):
are going to get really interesting in our lifetime, folks.
So that's pretty cool, right well, not if you're Tim Walls,
who thinks he can beat you up, I might add,
and I mean you not clay like you listening to
the Tim Walls thinks he can take you in a fight.
I think we have legions of great I think we
have lesions of guys over seventy five that would smoked
Tim Wall. Did you see our eighty six year old

(19:02):
listener who emailed me about that is one of the funs.
I need to read that email at some point, because
that was a great email. I know the conservative talk
radio audience and there are guys over seventy five that
will whoop my ass, So I definitely know they would
take Tim Wallas in a fight. But Caroline Levitt at
the White House, speaking as the Press Secretary just goes

(19:23):
after this. I mean, it's astonishing. It's outrageous that he
is rooting for the failure of a company again because
Elon wants to cut government waste. Play eight Governor Walt.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Saying last night he frequently checks Tesla's stock and doing
so to quote give me a little boost during the day.
How should Americans view politicians who take pride in the
downfall of an American car company. I think that's quite sad.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
But I think Governor Walls unfortunately is living a sad
existence after his devastating defeat on November fifth.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
It is sad, and his defeat was devastating. It's sad, though,
that somebody would be rooting Ford America. Think about what
that means. It's not just Tesla, it is a I mean,
you and I have never sat here been like you
know what I want. I want Amazon to go bankrupt
because it employs huge numbers of people. It's an enormously

(20:15):
valuable company, and it has been incredibly effective. I mean,
it has saved millions, maybe billions of man hours for people.
And look, I know Jeff Bezos is more on our
team now than he used to be. But he's still
not really on our team. We're all very aware of this,
but to root for a huge American company, it'd be
like sitting her clay and just saying, you know, I
want Ford in general Motors to just cease to exist

(20:38):
and all their people to get fired because I don't
like what this, I don't like who the CEO voted for.
There's something deranged about this. I think two things that
are important here. One, if you truly cared about climate change,
then the idea that you would want Tesla to fail
is the most heretical thing that you could possibly say,

(20:58):
because I'm I'm not sure there's any company in America
that has done more to fight climate change. And this
is supposed to be, as we talked about yesterday, an
existential threat to the entire world and to our nation.
And yet you have Tim Walls out there saying that
he's checking to see what the stock price is because
he's rooting for Tesla to fail. That doesn't add up
if you actually believe that climate change is the existential threat.

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And I think what it forces Democrats to do is
decide what do we hate more, climate change or Trump?
And the reality is they hate Trump. More than anything,
and so the Elon connection to Trump means they root
against it. Second, choosing whether or not to spend your
money on products based on whether they share your values

(21:43):
or not is I think a very rational choice to make.
I would argue that Tesla actually shares the values of Democrats,
But leaving that aside, what is not is when, for instance,
we said, hey, bud Light's got a trans spokesperson maybe
drinking other beer. We didn't say and throw Molotov cocktails

(22:04):
at people driving around in Budweiser trucks. What the left
has done with Elon is not only reject their own
principles upon which they stand, but actually take it to
the next step. They're lighting Tesla's on fire everywhere. People
are getting busted on the Tesla cameras, keying Tesla vehicles

(22:25):
all over the place, behaving in a fundamentally ridiculous and
frankly violent manner over this, And to me, it just
kind of ties in with It's one thing to make
a decision about a product that you like or don't like.
We said, hey, you make a great product. The benefit
typically is even if you disagree with the product, you'll

(22:47):
probably still consume it. When we say chick fil A,
there's nobody who I'm sorry, there's nobody who makes a
better chicken sandwich than Chick fil A. And one of
the great things about the Chick fil A sandwich, by
the way, buck is the pickle. Lots of gay people,
lots of gay people out there rolled into Chick fil
A like crazy. They're like, ah, you know, I wish
they supported gay marriage, but man, their chicken nuggets are

(23:09):
just so good. I'm going to go in and get
them anyway. Right second, we talked about this yesterday before
you strict a stroke it strict had it stricken form
the record, Yes, when you talked about how much your
wife Carrie loves Costco, I also love Costco. Costco Estate
committed to DEI I think they're wrong there. They're still

(23:29):
the best warehouse shopping center option out there, and I
still really like their samples, and I'm still going to
spend money at Costco. Their brand is so good, much
like Chick fil A, that even if they have politics
that are somewhat different than me, that I'm not going
to shop I'm going to continue to shop there. Tesla
makes the best electric vehicle in the world, is my understanding,

(23:51):
I'm not an expert on this, but the people who
have Tesla's rave about them Buck, and this is one
reason I'm looking at potentially buying one you're looking at
potentially buying I want to stand up and say, hey,
I believe in American exceptionalism. I think Elon Musk is
an exceptional American capitalist in all facets, and I would
like to believe that it is rational Americans out there

(24:14):
who aren't going to punish him because he's trying to
make the government more efficient Buck in his free time,
Like he didn't have to do this at all. He's
just giving back to the country to try to make
sure that our deficit doesn't drown all of us in
red ink. And you've got a couple of voices weighing
in on this defending the Remember it's not really about

(24:37):
defending Elon personally. This is about the company. It's about Tesla,
which is doing great things. It's innovating, it's employing people,
it's making incredible products. You know, we're there's so much
about it. It's pure in America. The cars are made
here in America. It's not some you know, we're not
We're not having some sweatshop somewhere putting together iPhones, just

(25:00):
saying again, I wish I could tell you I don't
have an iPhone. I do, but it's because I don't
like the other options. And you know, but I'm aware
of what goes on here, right, it's not always perfect
to make these make these kinds of choices. Kevin O'Leary, though,
points out that Tim Walls is a bozo. This is
mister wonderful cut nine.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
I'm talking about Tim Walls and his comments about the
Tesla stock.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
He says, it gives him a boost to see that
stock going down.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
That poor guy didn't check his portfolio and his own
pension plan for state is beyond stupid what he did.
He's talking down a three and a half percent waiting
his own pension plan. I mean, what's the matter with
that guy? He doesn't check the well being of his
own constituency, that's your mind.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I'm what a bozone. He's pointing out the economic illiteracy
of somebody like it, Tim Walls. Companies like Tesla are
what have been moving the market in recent years, which
means four oh one caves, which means pension plans, the
you know, the growth of the major American corps is

(26:01):
lifting up the overall market. And even if you think, oh,
I'm not in the market, Oh no, you're in the
market because it affects the cost of borrowing. It affects
the cost of your rent or your mortgage, or the
payments on your car, or the credit card interest rates
that you have. Hey, there is no escaping the market
if you're operating in America today and to want companies

(26:22):
whether it's Tesla or in Video or you know, the
magnificent seven stocks will talk about when you root for
those to fill, you're rooting actually for the American economy
to feel pain and there to be less wealth in
this country. And that's what they're doing because they don't
like Elon because he's too nice to Trump. And again
they're also rooting for climate change, which is like at

(26:43):
its most basic level, did you see this idiot astronaut
Mark Kelly, Senator from Arizona, went and traded in his
Tesla and went and got a gas guzzling suv to
replace it. So what is the story that you support? Right?
I mean again, I think part of being adulthood you
mentioned the iPhone. Part of being an adult is recognizing

(27:07):
that everybody's not going to agree with you on every
single thing and still making decisions that are somewhat rational
when it comes to products, right, Like I don't want
my toilet paper to have a strong position on any
political issue. I just want them to kind of make
toilet paper that doesn't fail, right, that actually works. And

(27:27):
I think most Americans I don't want my cat litter
brand to send me an email about what they think
about BLM. I think most Americans just want the product
itself to not take a particular stand. Elon has not
said that Tesla has a particular stand.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
This is Elon musk individual donating his time to try
to make the government more efficient. It isn't actually directly
connected to Tesla at all. It would be different if
he had said, Hey, I don't want any Democrat to
drive my car. I would think that's a really bad move.
I'm old school buck, I'm like Michael Jordan. Republicans by

(28:05):
sneakers too, right, Like you should try to appeal to everyone.
The Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who has been very outspoken
about a lot of things in the economy. He spoke,
He's straight up said now he's a senior government official,
cabinet member. Well, I'll let you listen to what he
said about Tesla play ten.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
He's the guy who's going to build the next generation technology.
I think if you want to learn something on this
show tonight by Tesla, it's unbelievable that this guy stock
is this cheap. It'll never be this cheap again. When
people understand the things he's building, the robots he's building,
the technology he's building, people are going to be dreaming

(28:41):
of today and Jesse Waters and thinking, gosh, I should
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Speaker 1 (31:25):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Our friend
Ryan Gradusky joins us. Now It's a Numbers Game is
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to the podcast. First though, mister Gradusky, great to have
you with us. How are you? Yeah, we're good man.

(31:47):
So so you said, we have a lot of things
to run by you. But first off, what was your
biggest takeaway when you looked at those numbers that were
released yesterday where the outlier extraordinaire was white college educated
women who are apparently obsessed with Zelenski and di.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
Yeah, I don't think that shocked anybody. Those with the
NBC polls that they held from Sunday, They just live.
White men without a college degree and white women with
a college degree don't live in the same country. I mean,
they just fundamentally don't. Men without a white man without
a college degree live in Texas and white women without
a college with a college degree live in like Sweden.

(32:25):
So it's just it's not they don't. They don't have
the same concerns, they don't have the same issues. It's
it's bizarre. And when I can kind of I can
kind of like sit there and really break it into
an ideology is that one has a very comfortable level
of living and one does not. If your biggest issue
with Zelenski You're probably not worry that much about your
monthly bills or an illegal alien, you know, attacking you

(32:49):
or breaking to your ranch if you live on the border.
This is just a completely different life that they live.
And yeah, I mean it's it's a totally different world.
And it makes for bad politics because white women with
a college degree who are on the left are getting
more radicalized. They're getting further to the left, and that's
a problem.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
So does the problem get resolved in any way if
abortion becomes less of a national political issue and more
of an individual state issue, Because it seems like to me,
and I'm curious if you buy this thesis Ryan, that
Democrats have uniquely exploited the fears of educated white women

(33:27):
when it comes to reproductive rights, and that that is
the motivating factor for many of them, particularly if you're
in your twenties or thirties. Given the fact that abortion,
whatever you think about it, the numbers haven't really changed
that much since Roe v. Wade was overturned. Is the
impact of abortion as a national political issue maybe something

(33:49):
that could bring these women back to some measure of
political sanity or not.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
No, I don't think that it's abortion. I mean I
think abortion is part of the question, but part of it,
certainly a large part. But the second the biggest group
of white women to vote for Democrats were white women
in their late twenties early thirties. That would be the
abortion group. The second largest were white women over the
age of seventy but under the age of eighty. So
if it was just an abortion thing.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
So sorry to cut you off. If that's fascinating, what
do you think is motivating those white women college educated
seventy to eighty Because again, abortion to your point, I
don't think they're getting abortions.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
Yeah, they're watching MSNBC and Rachel Meadow and they are
BLM and they are listen. The baby boomer generation was
the very it was the second most progressive generation to millennials.
I mean, they are a progressive generation. And if your
entire life is basically politics, which I mean for a

(34:50):
lot of a lot of women in their seventies and
eighties who either a don't have husbands because they've passed
away or they never married, or they don't have children
or grandchildren because their millennial children never had children, politics
becomes a bigger and bigger and bigger issue in your
life and what we saw in the other thing that
came out on Monday, which I what about for the

(35:11):
National papa's news that are David Shore's thing. David Shore's
big piece on data was that people who paid attention
to politics a lot voted very, very heavily to Kamala Harrison.
People who got their news from mainstream media outlets. If
you look at the average CNN or MSNBC viewer, they
are over the age of seventy years old. They are
seven year old, usually college educated or non college but

(35:32):
mostly college educated, white women who obsess about politics. It
is their religion, it's their QBC, it's there, it's the
children that they didn't have, with the grandchildren they didn't have.
It becomes their whole world. And that's why it's become
so toxic. And they also fall in line on every issue.
They're not only for BLM. They have long COVID. They

(35:53):
don't only have long COVID. They need to protect abortion rights.
They don't know any protect abortion rights. They need to
protect trans rights in Angola. You know the USAID every
single you know, tyranny is on the is on the
run every single second of every single day. If you
hear them, it's exhausting to live that way. But that's
the that's the second biggest group outside of like late

(36:14):
twenty early thirties. It's not abortion, it's just straight up ideology.
And perhaps because they live in such comfortable environments suburbs,
wealthy parts of cities, they don't have to worry about
crime or or you know, the fact that they're not
money coming in the next month. They're probably living pretty comfortably.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
So, Ryan, I wanted to ask you about these slew
of people, including Gail King, Nancy Pelosi and others, who
are really giving Schumer some rough stuff. Is this just
about the CR that he went along with so that
the government didn't shut down? I mean we could expect that.
Or is this going deeper to the power struggle within

(36:52):
the Democrat Party right now? And if so, who is
angling to take over what feels like a ship that
has on many leaks over at Democrat land.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
Well, I think the fact that not only did he
vote for the CR, but he left vulnerable House Democrats.
I mean they like they all voted against it except
for Jared Golden Up. In main second, you have a
dozen Democrats who live in Trump districts who just voted
to shut down the government and they just vote against
all the things that that means, all the funding for
military and veterans and seniors and everything. And there will

(37:26):
be a campaign commercial coming to every one of those
districts in a few in the next year, and it's
thirteen months or fifteen months saying, you know, insert Democrat
here voted to shut down your government and suspend your
you know, payments to your veterans. That is going to
hurt them and it's going to be so toxic, and
it makes them look like they can't govern. And you know,
they say they can't get anything out of it. They

(37:48):
got the old Biden budget. I mean there was like
thing ten billion in cuts. There's nothing really in cuts substantial,
but it makes them look bad, makes mostly they can't govern.
And who replaces Schumer, I don't know who's going to
It used to be with like dict Urban, he's eighty three,
he's on his way out. It won't be Bernie, I mean,
Elizabeth Warren is seventy six. It has to be somebody
who can bring in a lot of money, because that's

(38:09):
really a big part of the job as being leaders
who can raise a lot of money. It's not like
Kirsten Gillibrand. They have a big, big.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Issue who is the best? Who is the best fundraiser? Ryan,
because you'd actually know this, And I'm just curious because
you're who's the best Democrat fundraiser? Now? Who's under sixty five?

Speaker 8 (38:26):
The best fundraiser on the Republican side is? I think
I'm pretty sure it's Tim Scott for sure on the
Senate side. Tim Scott's the best fundraiser. On the Democratic side,
I believe it's Schumer in his pack. Schumer and his
packs raised over one hundred million dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
But I'm talking about the younger generation. Is there anybody
who's already starting.

Speaker 8 (38:45):
To say AOC for sure? Corey Bush ISOC AOC.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:50):
AOC raises a bucket loads of money. Yeah, and she
usually gives it all away.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
We're talking to Ryan Gerdusky. Ryan, I love the data
that you bring to bear. Encourage people to check out
your podcast. The data reflects that Trump did not actually
do better with white voters, right, The white voters from
like twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four have stayed basically similar,
and that in fact, moved a little bit Democrat maybe,

(39:17):
but that the reason why Trump won in all fifty states,
Black Hispanic Asian support rising. I'm curious is now the
Trump Yeah? Is that Trump support? You think as we
look ahead to twenty six and twenty eight, how much
of that do you think is attributable to Trump himself
as opposed to the Republican Party. In other words, does

(39:38):
that movement continue if it's JD. Vance or someone like that,
or is Trump a unique political unicorn in that respect?

Speaker 8 (39:46):
So this is the episode for a Numbers Game podcast
that's coming out next Monday. I'm super excited about this.
Data comes from David Shore, who's a Democrat, a data scientist.
He's brilliant and very very smart his data, and he
did a really deep out of not only like exit polling,
but where people were voting and looking at voting files.
What happened was between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump

(40:08):
lost about one to two percent of the white vote
in between those two elections. He gained all that back
in twenty twenty four. So there were Trump or Gary
Johnson Biden Trump voters. There was that swing basically all
the people, but for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary and
then voted for Biden, came back to Trump. That was

(40:29):
that was worth one point five percent of his three
point national game. Half came from white people, the other
half came from minorities. He didn't gain that much with blacks,
It was a small amount. The biggest was Black conservatives.
He gained about eight points over the course the last
eight years. But among Hispanic moderates he gained twenty three points.
In twenty sixteen, Hillary won eighty one percent of his

(40:51):
Spanic moderates. Trump won fifty. Sorry, Kamala won fifty eight
percent eight years later, So from eighty one to fifty eight,
the other part was Asian moderates. Hillary one seventy eight,
Kamala one sixty seven, a double digit drop among moderates
in the Asian community. Is this a Trump thing partially,
but it's part of a larger national story. In England

(41:12):
you see the Conservative Party doing better among minorities. In Canada,
you see the Conservatives doing better among minorities. It is
a thing along the entire West where you've started seeing
part of minority, as part of the minority coalition, vote
their ideology instead of their race, which they usually vote
their race over their ideology. Is it a Trump thing,
That's a great question. Actually, Trump was more of a

(41:34):
deterrent than a supplier of this. The people who don't
trust the Democratic Party is higher than the people who
voted for Trump. Had everybody been voting, voted have forced
to vote. David Shore's estimates that Trump wouldn't have won
by one point seven points percent, he would have won
by five percent. Because when you ask on issues like

(41:56):
everything from like AI to poverty to not only does
the economy and immigration, but student loans, they trust Republicans
way more than Democrats. The only issue Democrats have a
sizeable advantage that people care on, an issue that people
care about is healthcare. That is the only issue that
they have over Republicans On everything else, they have a deep,

(42:19):
deep distrust of the Democratic Party. And I'll say one
more thing. Voters who got their information from social media
were much more inclined to vote for Trump. The biggest group,
the biggest demographic to vote for Trump. According to the
David Shor data, white men under the age of twenty.
Seventy five percent of white men under twenty voted for Trump.

(42:40):
That is the largest demographic of any group ever, more
than seniors, more than any other racial group. Trump won
a majority of voters under twenty white women, white men,
and non white men. The only group under twenty that
Trump lost to Kamala Harris were non white women.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's amazing. Stat is amazing. Yeah. Do you think that's COVID.

Speaker 8 (43:04):
Yeah, it's yes, it's completely COVID. It is the lockdown generation.
Lockdowns split jen Wiz Zoomers in half. So older Zoomers
who had already gone through the high school experience and
graduated or were even past college, they are much more
liberal than those who were lockdown and misgraduations games. Friends.

(43:25):
They were getting all their news on the Internet, and
they were coming at a time where the BLM riots
were happening, that me too was happening, and there was
a surge of Internet personalities, everyone from Jordan Peterson to
Ben Shapiro to more nefarious characters in the Internet but noneless. Still,
they were being inundated with information from social media, free
of the gates that the regular media provides. And so

(43:49):
the younger generation right now is the most Republicans. Eighteen
to twenty year olds in the last election are the
most Republican generation, according to the David Shore data, which
I do trust, the most republican generation since the greatest
generation the fought World War Two. That is how far
right wing, especially white men under the age of twenty,
the most republican generation we have seen probably in sixty

(44:10):
to seventy years.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Go check out more from Ryan Gerdusky with It's a
Numbers Game, his podcast on the Klayan Buck Network. He
does the best data analysis of anybody in the game.
And subscribe to who is National Populist newsletter on substack.
Ryan really interesting as always, man, Thanks for being here.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
Thank you.

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Welcome Ack In, Clay Traviits Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by our good friend Julie Kelly. We were just talking
earlier in the program at the top of this hour
about all of the craziness coming from the federal District
Court judges and Julie, I'll start off with this. I
said that I am so what optimistic that things are

(46:01):
going to get better with the judiciary in the years
ahead because Trump last I mean, Trump won, and I
think one reason Democrats lost was because they went so political.
You have been covering, and they try to put them
in prison, and they try to bankrupt him in all
those things. You've been covering these cases like crazy. We've
never seen anything like the resistance that Trump is getting

(46:22):
from the federal district courts right now. Are you optimistic
in the future or do you think our judicial system
is just a huge pile of steaming pooh.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Well, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going
to go with the latter, because, of course I have covered,
especially in Washington, DC, and I've talked about with you
guys what's happened with the j six proceedings in Washington
and the case against the president. These judges feel impervious
and they have not been held accountabul when Chief Justice

(46:56):
sunt rothbert that really inappropriate. I think treatment about impeachment
not his place. Number one. The problem is not that
impeachment is thrown around or overused. The problem is that
impeachment has not been used. I think fourteen federal judges
have been impeached, only eight have been convicted. Congress has

(47:18):
completely advocated its oversight role of the federal judiciary. So
this is how you get Jim Bossberg, and this is
how you get time to Chuckkin and Baryl Howell and
these other judges because they know they're not accountable. So
until these judges are held accountable, and not by being
reversed by the Supreme Court. I saw that in the

(47:39):
immunity case. I saw that the Fisher the overturning of
the fifteen twelve v. Two against j six ers. These
lower court judges don't care and if if they're Democrats,
they don't think that the Supreme Court is legitimate anyway.
So this is a serious crisis. This is why the
public's trust in the federal judiciary is that an all

(48:00):
time low, and Republicans who are threatening to file articles
and impeach and I think some have been filed, or
to strict jurisdiction from some of the most egregious political
actors on the bench, or simply to shut down the
DC's federal court system, which I've advocated for years strong
measures need to be taken otherwise this is going to

(48:23):
actually help.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
It really bothers me, Julie, to see how much the
DC Circuit Court is essentially an extra branch of government.
It's like the failsafe for the deep state. Right, they
can bring any case they want there, and they know
that unless the Supreme Court steps in, they'll get their way.

(48:45):
And this is very clear the fact that they didn't.
I always have to remind people of this that none
of the j six related individuals were able to get
a different a different venue for the trial. I think
even I think Timothy McVay was given a different you
for his trial from Oklahoma City. If memory serves like
this is a standard thing in the justice system for

(49:06):
people if there's considered to be a prejudice jury to
be able to get it. No one right, No one
got got the court or got the jurisdiction. The venue
moved from DC. So that's very troubling some of these
district judges. Of the stuff that they've come up with,
the ones that to me are well the turning around
of the plane with the trend to Ragua guys, that

(49:26):
seems to be the most egregious. I think to most
of us, but a couple of other ones jually the judge,
and you're familiar with these different judges. I know too,
So that's the thing. You know who these individuals are
from covering them. The judge who said that you can't
ban transgenders from serving in the military. And now there's
a judge that I believe has ordered the DOJ to

(49:47):
return men to a women's prison who say they're transgender,
Like this is just they're just making up laws.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Now they are, and they're completely undermining. And these are
all related to presidential executive orders. So what you're talking
about is Anna Reeus, who is the first LGBTQ Biden
appointed district court judge in Washington, basically reversing vacating the
President's executive order on transgenders in the military. Royce Lambert,

(50:18):
a regular appointee who I watched just absolutely throw the
book at Jay six Ers, throwing grandmothers in prison for
fifty seven months on the obstruction count that was later overturned,
and he himself rejecting the President's executive order and ordering

(50:39):
the government US to pay for hormone therapy and transitional
surgery for these transients who are in prison either criminals. Right,
We're not just saying, you know, for whoever wants it.
They are in federal custodies. And then of course Jim
Bossberg ordering verbally for or the Department of Justice and

(51:01):
BHS to return flights that were already in the air
out of US air space, very likely traveling over either
Mexico or Central America, ordering the return of those flights
carrying known illegal immigrants or suspected Venezuelan terrorist tied to

(51:22):
that DA day. Who do these judges think that they are?
And so now what Gosburg is doing is I think
setting up a kintunt trap because he was saying, well,
I made this verbal order, you should have turned the
planes allow, no planes should have taken off that day
at all, because I was holding this peering And this
is a temporary restraining order that he issued, actually two

(51:44):
of them on Saturday that last fourteen days and again
preventing the President and his team from executing his proclamation
over the weekends of the Alien Enemies Act. So excuse me,
this is this is very reckless, very destructive, and dangerous.
No one should be defending what these judges are doing.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Of course, all of these are going on a field.
There's oral arguments in the Venezuelan tariffs case on Monday afternoon.
I'll be covering that live. But I'll tell you as
bad as I knew these judges were, and how they
just repeatedly denied, to your point, due process for j Sixers,
refusing in every single case to move those trials out

(52:28):
of Washington, DC to now see them leap to the
rescue and allegedly protect the quote unquote due process rights
of illegal and suspected gang members from Venezuela that pose
a legitimate threat to this country, not that Jay Sixers did.
It's pretty head spinning hypocrisy.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, we're talking to Julie Kelly. Julie, you mentioned in
the jan Sixers, and when you first started coming on
with us four years ago, you were one of the
very few people out there actually shining a light on
how they were being treated. Given the Democrat obsession with
January sixth and the years that they spent on it,
are you somewhat surprised that Trump came in immediately pardoned

(53:10):
to every January sixer and the story just vanished. I mean,
isn't that kind of interesting? Because there were all these
arguments out there, Oh, if Trump pardons all the jan
six ers, this will be a constitutional and he did it,
and no one even mentions hardly January sixth anymore. Are
you surprised at how quickly it's kind of vanished?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yes, I will say that I am. As you guys know,
I talked to the President a few days before inauguration day,
talked to him for at length about what had happened
to the j sixers, you know, the various part in proposals.
He expressed he was very committed to blanket pardon with
a few exceptions, and that's, of course exactly what he did.

(53:52):
And there was some noise about it for what a
week or ten days, and then has completely disappeared. And
the Democrats want to forget about January sixth. I think
with Jamie Raskin said a few weeks ago, oh can
we stop talking about January sixth already? It's really funny one, right, Yeah,

(54:12):
But yes, I am very surprised, but happily so. And
you know, it's great to see these people starting to
pick up the pieces of their lives. But you know,
I was reading one of the filings today in the
Venezuelan terrorism case, and these illegals have stables of lawyers

(54:34):
defending them and fighting the government on behalf of the
alleged rights of these illegals have. And it's really disturbing
that we saw none of that for American citizens wrongly
prosecuted for participating in the events of January sixth. I mean,
the co legal judicial system is so upside down.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Can I just jump in really quick early to say
that from my understanding from friends in the legal world,
if you defend and like if you would defend Osama
bin Laden you obviously that won't happen. But if someone
could do that, that would be considered a feather in
their legal cap going forward. They could say it's like
John Adams defending the red Coats, like everyone deserves. But
no one felt that way in a lot of the

(55:16):
big law firms and in sort of the big law
world about J six Americans, yeah, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Most of them relied on public defenders. Some of those
public defenders were very good, others were terrible, and I
saw I saw both sides to that. But going back
to Jeb Bosberg, I was in a sport room in
December the week before Christmas, he put a woman who
went inside the capital for nine minutes committed no violence

(55:44):
charge with four misdemeanors. He put her on trial the
week before Christmas, before DC jury juror from the city
that had just voted ninety two percent for Kamala Harris.
He completely ignored her pleas to postpone the trial and
colle after the president was inaugurated, knowing that she would
be getting a pardon because of course she only had misdemeanors,

(56:06):
and he denied postponing that trial, put her on trial
for three days. She was immediately convicted by the CDC jury.
So that that's the mindset of these judges. No due process,
no protection of constitutional rights for American citizens because they're
Trump supporters. But he swooped in Saturday as soon as

(56:29):
he possibly could, ordering claims to be turned around, carrying
Venezuelan terrorists and now fighting the government for disclosure details
of those deportations LIFs just I mean, how can you
how can a government deal with someone like that you
can't uh block.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I'm glad you brought that up about the quality of
legal representation, because I remember this was one of the
first things we talked about with you, Julie, was you
were raising money so that the lawyers could be better.
John Adams defended the Boston massacre British soldiers in a
pre revolutionary America. For people out there that have forgotten,

(57:09):
because it used to be a basically foundational belief of
lawyers that everybody deserved the best possible legal representation, even
people who were accused of heinous crimes. And to bucks point,
and I know you saw this, Julie, everybody wants to
line up. I've got friends who worked on nine to
eleven prosecutions. The people who were involved in flying planes

(57:32):
into our buildings have elite representation. Look, I don't begrudge that,
because I think that is the American system of justice.
But Julie, just to kind of finish here, how many
elite lawyers were willing to step forward and volunteer their
time to rep the Jay sixers.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
There were no elite, white shoe law firms that stepped
up to defend a single j sixer.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Not one.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Again, there were some very good lawyers, some that were
retained privately, most that were court appointed or public defenders,
but not as single. You see all of these law
firms lined up not just defending these terrorists but fighting
the Trump administration on anything. These are all big name
law firms. Now none of them stepped up for American

(58:20):
citizens because they considered them terrorists. You know, the Venezuelan
gang members, the tatries all over the place, who have
suspected ties to TDA. They're not terrorists, they're victims. But
you walk inside the Capitol for nine minutes, commit no violence,
and you have the chief Judge of the DC District
Court putting you on trial in the most democratic committy

(58:41):
in the country for a quick conviction. No, none of them.
That's so shame on these law firms. And this is
why I'm so glad to see the President doing what
he can to vilify these law firms, strip them up
security clearances, access to documents and buildings, and doing yet
image to their business, because that's exactly what they deserve.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Julie, keep up the good work. Look forward to talking
to you again, and thank you for the last four years.
How awesome you've been talking to us and keeping us
updated on all this.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
See you guys are awesome for always having me on.
Thank you so much. Talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
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it's a good thing they have good steaks, because Buck
is going to have to buy me a great steak
when his bracket crumbles and I surge into a victory.
But we had last week in the Travis household, or

(59:38):
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