March 21, 2025 • 37 mins
MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) is completely irrational and possibly worse now than TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). The Democrats have created a cult, and they've now lost control of them. The left is trying to make Elon Musk a bond villain when he's really a hero. Joy Reid: The Mona Lisa of dumb. They also discussed President Trump's recent decision to sign papers to end the Department of Education, highlighting the potential impacts and reactions. The conversation shifts to Elon Musk, who has become a significant target for criticism, even more so than Trump. They explore the media's portrayal of Musk, including a controversial New York Times report about his Pentagon visit, which was debunked by Sean Parnell. The hosts also address the broader implications of the attacks on Musk, suggesting that his influence and alignment with Trump's agenda make him a long-term threat to their opponents. They touch on the absurdity of some of the criticisms, such as the viral video of a woman vandalizing a Tesla and the firebombing incidents. The discussion includes a humorous yet critical take on the media's portrayal of these events and the irrational behavior of some of Musk's detractors.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I hope all
of you are having fantastic Fridays.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I bet there are some bleary eyes.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Across the nation because basketball did not end until one
am last night on the East coast. I am on
the East coast in Washington.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
D C.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Gearing up for a trip with President Trump on Air
Force one.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That does not stink.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm excited to be here in our DC studio Freedom
one oh four point seven reminder, and thank you. We
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That is a testament to this audience, to the show,
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(00:45):
cobbler and having pistachio ice cream fantasies. So the fact
that we've overcome all that is truly remarkable. We got
a lot to dive into here. President Trump this morning
has officially signed papers to end the Department of Education,
and we're going to be reacting to that. Elon Musk,
I think it's really kind of extraordinary. Has become even
(01:07):
more of a target. I bet you would agree with this,
Buck than even Trump himself. Now, I think they've recognized
that there are no new attacks they can levy on Trump.
I mean, once they call you Hitler and the American
public goes ahead and votes for you, it's like, oh,
I don't know that anything is really registering when it
comes to the attacks on Trump. But they are coming
(01:29):
after Elon with a vengeance. And I was listening this
morning our friend Sean Parnell, formerly of the Clay and
Buck podcast at Network, now high up at the Department
of Defense. Elon was meeting at the Pentagon this morning
and the meeting was designed to try to figure out
ways to save more money through DOGE. It was reported
(01:50):
in the New York Times that the meeting, and on
its face, I just thought this was crazy, Buck, and
I don't know about you. The New York Times reported
that Elon was getting access to how we would respond
to China militarily in the event they attacked, which is
so outlandish and crazy. Like I thought I was being
(02:10):
pranked when I saw the headline. They say that it
is completely untrue. Here is Sean Parnell talking about what
Elon was doing on the Pentagon visit, and I know
Trump and Pete hegset. Defense Secretary have just addressed it
in the last several minutes from inside of the Oval office.
But here's our friend Sean Parnell cut six on the record.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That is completely fake. And let me show you this.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
This started with this New York Times headline and they
since changed it. But Musk set to get access to
top secret US plan for potential war with China. This
is egregious, This is fake. The New York Times should
retract this story. Five anonymous sources. I've been on Bilat
calls with the Secretary.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I see how.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hard he's working to implement the President's agenda and pursue
peace through strength. This type of garbage from the New
York Times undermines that process, undermines our mission. It shouldn't
happen at all. Elon Musk is just coming over here
for a visit.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I mean, buck, this is kind of crazy. First of all,
do you buy that they would be giving a brief
Why would they give Elon Musk a briefing on the
military response in the event we went to war with China.
It's a very strange thing, like what's going on?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
No, I think that whatever it is that they were
reporting whatever their sources said was either just flat out
wrong or misreported because they had the story wrong right,
So it was either they just ran with it and
didn't care, or they exaggerated dramatically. Whatever it was that
I've been said, Keep in mind, Elon Musk already has
(03:40):
a top secret and compartmented security clearance. He can see
a lot. There seems to be this very weird game,
you know, Tim Wallas. I think recently Clay said that
Elon should go back to South Africa or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Elon's been an American citizen for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
How the Democrats all this sudden are the xenophobic ones
when they don't like what someone's doing to their favorite
group of toys, which is all these different federal agencies. Elon, also,
because of the role that he has with SpaceX, is
going to know more about you know, aerodynamics, jet propulsion capabilities,
(04:21):
space technology then basically anybody in the United States government anyway.
I hate to have to break that to anyone, but
if you want to know what's truly cutting edge, you
wouldn't sit down with NASA, you would sit down with Elon.
And I think that Democrats have a really hard even
if they tried to think it through, which they don't
have a very hard time with that, because they like
to believe that, just like in the movie Armagedin, there's
(04:43):
a team of geniuses at NASA that will save us
from the asteroid hitting, which by the way, is not true.
There's a team that could get a great DEI seminar
going for you, but NASA is not what we were
raised to believe it was from the moon landing days.
So they're going after Elon though, collect and I think
it's because of a couple of things. One, they see
him as really the implementur of the Trump agenda right now,
(05:07):
and I think he also worries them in a longer
term sense because he's the richest man in the world,
running some of the most influential companies in the world,
and he's going to be around for a long time,
and his influence isn't one election. His influence could be
much more meaningful than that over the long term, you know,
not just the four years that he may be helping Trump.
(05:29):
And that's why they've really focused their fire pardon expression.
They focus their anger more at Elon than at Trump.
For the last couple of months. I think you're one
hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I would also suggest that partly it's because they have
now recognized that their attacks on Trump just don't work.
And what the data reflected, there's some interesting data from
the election, Buck that shows that one reason Kamala had
so much difficulty defining Trump was every time she tried
(06:00):
to attack him, it actually worked to Trump's favor. Because
once you try to imprison someone for the rest of
their life, and once you try to bankrupt them, and
once you have called them hitler for nearly a decade,
eventually you get to the point where all of those
attacks have no more impact. And I suspect that what
has happened is they looked at Elon and they said, Okay,
(06:25):
he hasn't been attacked in the same way. And it's interesting,
Buck to me, because what they tried to do initially
was say, oh, Elon's really the president of the United States.
There was a calculated attempt to try to divide Trump
and Elon by saying, Trump, who you've tried to tell us,
is this authoritarian Hitlarian dictator is actually not in command
(06:50):
of this regime of this new term. It's actually Elon Musk.
That seems to have fallen flat because that was their
initial way to come after Elon, and now the new
attack is, let's try to hit Elon in the pocket book,
let's try to destroy him. I mean, this tesla stuff
is crazy, buck. Some of it is just silly, like
(07:11):
there's a video that went viral of a woman pulling
down her pants and like rubbing her butt on a tesla.
But then there's actually scary stuff like the fire bombing.
And I don't know if you saw this video that
has started to go viral. I saw our friend Bill
Malujin shared it this morning of a guy with a
mask on who forces a woman off the side of
the road, gets out and tells her that she supports
(07:35):
Hitler because she's driving a Tesla, and demands that she
immediately sell it. This is strange stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know this if you think about what they had
done with Trump, which was the creation of the ultimate
political boogeyman. There are a lot of people who now
that they do this, let's say, you know, they'll talk
about like stochastic terrorism, right, which is if you just
put the message out enough randomly, someone somewhere will act
(08:02):
on it. This is a very this is a Democrat
concept for whenever they want to blame terrorism on Republicans,
it's stochastic terrorism, right, And that's that's a concept that
they've come up with. It's actually from mathematics. It's essentially,
if you try something enough the variability of a vast
with a vast number set, someone's going to do something crazy.
(08:23):
But what you see with Elon, I think is they
have had to transfer that rage mechanism that they have
built up against Trump. Well, what really is the you know,
Trump's only he's doing it. He's president. He's not running
again like they you know, they tried to kill him twice.
Like it's just he's not going anywhere. He won, and
they have to deal with it now, like they've had
(08:44):
to accept at some level that he is president and
this is the next four years.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But I think that the.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Emotional need they have the same way those little maniacs
who say they're antifa meaning anti fascist, and they run
around all dressed in black. You remember this, I mean
they up at different protests, but it's really all just
one big act of self congratulation and narcissism for total losers.
The total losers of the left, and there's lots of them.
There's millions of them. Maybe it's only five or ten
(09:12):
percent of the Democrat Party, but Clay, they need somebody
to hate and blame for all their problems because for
a decade they've been trained to do that with Donald Trump,
and it just doesn't hit the same way anymore. Not
only that, I think there's an element of they feel
like they were betrayed because Elon Musk was their hero
in creating an electric vehicle.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh yeah, and now.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's like the bitter ex girlfriend where you start behaving
in a fundamentally irrational way. Could be the bitter ex
boyfriend for people out there where it's not only that
Elon is now allied in some way with Trump, it's
that they thought he was their great savior of climate change.
To me, the funniest and most ridiculous aspect of all
(09:55):
this buck is when you're lighting Tesla's on fire, you're
actually just destroying the person who has done the most,
probably to fight climate change, maybe in the entirety of
the world.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And these people in particular, who are the ones lighting
the teslas on fire. I can assure you the overlap
with people that are full of rage at Elon, but
also believe the propaganda about climate as an existential threat.
It's probably close to one hundred percent. Okay, if you're
that upset about Elon, you also believe climate change is
(10:28):
an existential threat, which means that your willingness or your
need to act out your childish rage against Elon and
the Trump industrial complex is more important to you as
a leftist maniac than saving the planet from the climate
change threat that you believe is going to make us
all go extinct. Gives you a sense of how deranged
(10:48):
these people are. But the Democrats created a cult, and
the problem is you can't always control the cult members.
Like when you tell the cult members that the world
is going to end and you get to the one
hundredth time you've told them that, yeah, a lot of
people are going to realize, Okay, that was insane. But
some of them are like, no, it's on the one
hundred and first day, and that's who we're lighting Tesla's
on fire. They are not giving this battle up at all.
(11:10):
They are still insane and they are deeply enmeshed in
the really the MSNBC New York Times DEI Woke Cult
I mean, it's we should come up with a more
specific name for it, but that's what it is. The
Fauci worshiping Zelensky loving maniacs have all come together. I think,
deep down, Buck, they're actually starting to realize they're the
(11:33):
bad guys.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
And I think I've been I've been thinking of saying
this for a while.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I told I told, I think that they're worried, Oh
my god, what if we're wrong about everything.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think that that does occur to some of.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Them, and I think that's why you're seeing them act
out so vociferously and violently. It's because in the back
of their mind, they're like, wait a minute, we've been
arguing we're the good guys, and we're on the right
side of history and Trump's win of the popular vote.
And even if you look at this is the thing
that's crazy to me, Even if you look at what
(12:05):
they're doing. Fuck, Elon is trying to save taxpayers money
and they're lighting tesselas on fire for it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, this is what it's.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It would be different if Elon, if Elon were like
the wars are for bombing Gaza, Yes, I would understand.
You know, if Elon was giving press conversations, He's like, well,
a technology is so much better at bombing gaza.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know, if he was doing like the good Elon impersonation,
thank you, thank you. I'm working on it.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But you know, if he was actually doing that, I
would understand a little more. He's like, Hey, guys, your
taxpayer dollars are being lit on fire, and the money
that's being spent by the government is debasing all of
the money that you are earning and all the money
that you are saving. I'm trying to stop this from
straight up destroying the economy so that we have to
(12:51):
have a reset, the likes of which nobody wants to see.
And people are like, light his cars on fire.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
They're trying to treat him like he's a bond villain
and all he's doing is trying to make the government
spend money more efficiently. It's one of the craziest bad
guy descriptions that I've ever heard of.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
And there's also a there's a I don't know if
you'd say it's full circle, if it's poetic justice, it's
they They called for this fight.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
They made Elon, They made Elon who he is. They
created him.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Yes, they created him because of a lot of things,
a lot of the madness, a lot of what they've
been pushing for, certainly the Trump era, which is really
its own period of American politics now right.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean, it's just different than everything else we've seen.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
But Clay, they transed one of his kids, and he
has said this, I am not surmising this. They trans
one of his young children, not even like a you know,
seventeen eighteen year old or whatever, and he said.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It means war and he was serious. And that's where
we are.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
That's one. And they tried to shut down his factories
during COVID. And I do think that the combination of
those two who has created a true fixation on destroying
the woke virus in all of its essence. And we
need to talk more about this because I'm just I'm
kind of blown away. It's rare that I'm surprised. I
didn't think we would get to the point where the
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been discussing from the Oval office. He had a Q
and A right before we came on air. Bring you
some of those highlights. Also, the war on Elon Musk
(15:42):
from the left. The Elon derangement syndrome is reaching new heights.
But Clay, I actually thought this is cut seventeen. I
always like it when we can bring good news to
this audience, or when we can appreciate a moment of
victory together here and former Republican pundit person I think
(16:04):
she's on the view sometimes, or she was on the view,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
CNN.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
She pops up in different places. Anna Navarro. I thought
this was just this was just perfect. She said this
yesterday about Trump voters and how they're feeling right now,
and I gotta be honest with you, she nailed it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Play Seventeen police departments in South Florida are signing cooperation
agreements to be deputized as ICE. When we you know,
I keep thinking.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, this is gonna be this is going to change
the way.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
They're gleeful. Everybody I know who voted.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
For Trump is gleeful and supportive of everything he's doing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, well, I love it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
She's like, I keep waiting for them to realize what
a huge mistake they've made. But they're all doing victory
dances in the street, and they love every second of
what Trump is doing. Yes, she's paying attention. Correct so
far A plus Trump, A plus Trump all the way
through since election day, A student intelligent analysis from the view.
I haven't said it in a long time, Buck, but
she nailed it. I voted exactly for all of this,
(17:08):
and that's one of the things they've tried to do.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
If you noticed this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
In addition to trying to destroy Elon, they have come
out and said, oh, there's a lot of Trump voters
who regret their votes.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I'm not her. I don't think that there are any
Trump voters who regret their votes. This is this is
the same as some of the attacks on onn Elon Musk,
which just make no when they say things like he's
stupid or he's not competent to do this, Like, guys,
get a better attack line, Like it's getting sad. Actually, yeah,
(17:38):
it's getting sad out there for Democrats. They're not even
saying things that are untrue, but kind of hit. It's
like watching the weakling in the class take swings at
the cool kid and just miss and miss and fall
on his face and you just feel sad for him.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It when you try to say that Elon Musk is
not very smart, which is what AOC tried to say. Yes,
it's just that's a tough that's a tough putt to
sink buck. That's like you know, your four hundred yards
from the hole and you're living up a putt and
you're feeling. No, Elon's a genius. Now, you might not
agree with him on things, and that's the argument that
you could make, but again, he's trying to cut government waste,
(18:16):
something that every Democrat argued for a generation they wanted
to do.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I also think and this comes in part Look, Trump
started this by being outside of politics, and so all
due credit to him first and foremost for breaking through
this logjam, but Elon has certainly added a layer to
it of we need our most impressive people in this
country sometimes to actually help the country. Yes, it can't
just be the schmos who don't know anything other than
(18:43):
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Speaker 2 (18:45):
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Speaker 2 (19:46):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
In Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We talked about the
attacks on Elon and we're going to continue to play
some of those for you because they are outrageous, outlandish,
and indefensible. But Buck, you hit on something that I
think is really important, which is not only are those
attacks actually without any merit whatsoever, they also are generally
(20:11):
coming from people who are morons and lack all historic
knowledge and do not have the ability to make very
cogent or tangible arguments among those Joy Reid who went
on I think this was with Don Lemon. Remember when
the comment about how brilliant Thomas Jefferson was when he
(20:32):
dined alone one of the great all time quotes. I
would submit to you that Joy Reid and Don Lemon
is maybe the dumbest combination of interviewer and interviewe that
you could have in the political realm. And Joy Reid said,
I think America is going to go to war with
Canada and Canada is going to win.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This is real. Listen, you can't.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Make Canada the fifty first state without going to war
with them. And let me play how that happened, how
that worked out the last time we tried to go
to war with Canada. They burned the White House to
the ground in eighteen fourteen and.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Won the war.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Canada beat us in the War of eighteen twelve. They
probably like their chances against us. We're not gonna beat
them in a war because we have never been able
to do that. You'd have to occupy a country that
is equivalent of the size of the United States, in
which the top two thirds of it is uninhabited, frozen
(21:36):
forest land that touches the Arctic. You know how that
worked out when the Nazis tried that with Russia, which
is the equivalent of Canada on that part of the world.
We gonna lose. We don't have enough troops to occupy.
They are a country of thirty nine million people who
(21:59):
are who have about as many guns per capita as
we do.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's not possible to be this stupid. She must be kidding, right,
It's not possible that she's this dumb. Actually, I think
I actually be this dumb. I think it is actually
that dumb. I think it's actually that dumb. The fact
that she was paid millions of dollars to explain the
world the people on television at MSNBC tells you all
you need to know about the state of left wing media.
(22:26):
That was the dumbest rant I maybe have ever heard. Actually,
it's actually like the Mona Lisa of dumb. It should
go hang up in a museum and people should study
it for centuries to come. It is that dumb.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So several things that stand out here.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
First of all, she manages to have some historical knowledge
and misapply it all the time. The War of eighteen
twelve wasn't with Canada, it was with England. Let's start there,
which owned Canada at the time and so was at
the time probably the most powerful country in the world,
(23:02):
because America was still in its infancy, and even though
we had won the Revolutionary War, we had not really
established ourselves as the pre eminent power in the world.
Point one point two. She tries to make a historical
analogy about the difficulty of conquering a country in a
time of when the weather when it's super cold, and
she uses World War two as an example. I think,
(23:25):
although you could also point to Napoleon, but the problem
is those were occupied lands. Her argument doesn't make any
sense because she rightly says Canada almost everyone in Canada
lives close to the United States border. You wouldn't actually
have to commit much men or materiel to conquer the
two thirds of Canada where no one lives, right, Like,
(23:47):
that's actually a really easy job. Third, she manages to
treat the fact that they have more guns at thirty
nine million people without recognizing that they have one tenth
of the population of the United States and hints a
fraction of the overall firepower, all while trying to treat
the idea of an American invasion of Canada as a
(24:09):
likely proposition. She manages to string together buck so much
historical inaccuracy while having a sentilla of knowledge such that
she's actually dumber than if she knew nothing at all,
Which is really kind of an interesting take, isn't it right?
Like she would actually be better if she had no
historic knowledge whatsoever, because she has so misapplied the historical
(24:31):
analogies that she's trying to apply that they actually render
her argument worse than if she didn't have the knowledge
in the first place.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I do worry that we are all and all of
you listening are a little dumber just for having listened
to How dumb that was? I just this is where
they are, though, Buck, they paid her time host MSNBC
until a few minutes ago, primetime host everybody millions of
dollars gotta listen to her. Rachel Maddow said, her favorite colleague.
Oh yeah, Buck, this is also important. I think everybody
(25:00):
out there listening you and I. If people heard our
off air conversation, would we would sound almost identical.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Maybe there's a new curse word, pepper day. It is
the same.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
It just has occasional curses unless there are children within earshot. Yes, correct,
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Think anybody would say, like, you've got to hear the
outrageous opinion that Clay has or Buck has that he's
actually afraid to say, they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
The calls that we would have with producers, the meetings
that we would have with advertisers, are off air conversations,
by and large. If they all went public, people would say, yeah,
that's kind of what I expect because I listened to
him for three hours every day.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Imagine the idiocy.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That they protected Joy Read from actually putting on the air.
This is to be fair, To be fair, I mean,
your your point is well taken, but one of the
differences between TV and radio.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You can hide with TV, you really can.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
You You can hide super dumb people and protect them
from themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Because it's all stage managed.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It's it's it's very much a you know, it's a
proper base sp it's a play. You put on makeup
and you look into it. I mean, it is very
different than radio. You cannot hide for three hours a
day on radio, year in and year out.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
People know who you are.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
This is one of the reasons why the familiarity that
people who listen to our wonderful audience when they come
up and talk to us. Yeah, they know the name
of They know my wife's name, they know my dog's name,
they know where I grew up, they know what I
what movies are like. I mean, they know more than
like anybody I ever went on a first date with.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
By times, you know, one hundred, you know what I mean,
it's yeah, pretty full.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They spend it fifteen hours a week with everybody out there,
and so you can't fake or hide. I think when
you hear some of these people like Don Lemon is
a great example, I think you would hear it with
Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think you would hear it with Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think there are a lot of people that are
not necessarily that good at what they do.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think Rachel Maddow is actually smart, She's just a
really kind of committed liar, which you can argue is
even scarier. But when they lack the protection of a staff,
and when they lack the protection of a surrounding community
to kind of protect them from themselves, many of these
TV people expose themselves. And frankly, Buck, a lot of
journalists have on social media right when they lack editors,
(27:20):
when they're outside the framework of their job. Social media
just shines a light on who you really are, and
that could be good or bad. But for many people,
I think in the realm of current events, politics, media, news, television, sports,
who are in the opinion business, you're actually recognizing they
(27:40):
don't do a lot of homework and they're not actually
that smart outside of the parameters of the show that
they have, And I think this is what happens with
Joy Reid. I also think it's why audiences don't connect
with them outside of television because to your point, Buck,
they're not honest and they're not that authentic, and that
also gets exposed Yeah, I hadn't heard that sound bite
(28:02):
until we played it live on the radio. So you
pulled that one off the sheet, and I'm still I'm
actually in shock.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That was amazing. I sent it in.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It was the.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Craziest most like overconfident but ignorant historical rent I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It was amazing what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The little bit of historical knowledge that she had actually
managed to completely invalidate her argument, such that she would
have been far better off to have known nothing about
the history that she was trying to cite.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
She misapplied all of it. And they but the initial
premise too.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
We're obviously not going to war with correct correct, so
dumb to even to even entertain this. No one in
the US military would would would follow an order to
start bombing Ottawa.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, we love made you think we're gonna take windsor
from Detroit.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
It's not gonna happen. You know, I know that people
think all but they'll do, you know everything Trump says,
it will just happen. No, and Trump's not gonna say it.
And you know the whole thing is.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
We know Pete except pretty well, well, you know Sean
Parnell pretty well, they're not invading Canada.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Pete is not pouring over plans to drop nukes on
Saskatchewan right now. I promise you we know Pete very
well for a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is not happening.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I also think you've talked about this before, not taking
Trump literally. He finds something that he thinks is fun funny,
justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada, and he exploits
it and manipulates the media to cover it such that
it turns into an actual conversation point. And what it
does is disrupt the overall direction and he ends up
(29:37):
somewhere nowhere near where he's arguing, and it's a win.
But it's such a clear negotiation tactic. I don't understand how,
a decade after Trump has been in politics, every single
thing to a large extent, is still taken so literally
by so many people who cover politics. Well, I think
that's why he in party keeps doing it, because he
(29:58):
enjoys getting a rise out of them, and it also
off balances them.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Like I know this from you know, I play a.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Fair amount of of like recreational you know, country club tennis.
I don't belong to a country club, but you know
that's what people will call it. And you know there's
like there's like head games you can do with people,
and some people get really into this stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You know, you you leave your bag.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
On one side of the court so that it's like
you've already picked your side, even though you know there's
like little things. Trump loves that stuff. When it comes
to the media, man, he loves when the second they
say you can't say it kind of reminds me of
somebody else, I know, the second they say, mister Clay Travis,
you can't say that, He's like, oh yeah, and he
just is gonna pound that point day in and day
(30:40):
out until they beg for mercy. Yes, I definitely enjoy
doing things that people say I can't do.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And the number one way, the number one way to
end if you dislike something that I'm doing is not
to complain about it. Which, yeah, there's probably all sorts
of things going on there. But we come back, well,
we got to hunt of talkbacks. You guys are phenomenal
with the talkbacks and our team listens to them all.
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck coming up here.
I want to talk about the pivot.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
You're starting to see ward h class warfare stuff, the
millionaires and billionaires, Bernie Sanders and AOC out there together
trying to make some waves for the Democrats, trying to.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Get that socialist, socialist vibe going. At this point in time,
I don't think it's going to work as well as
they think, but we will discuss. We've got a bunch
of talkbacks. Remember, if you want to give us a talkback,
go to the iHeart Radio app and go to the
Clay and Buck page and then press that microphone and
you are good to go, and they all come right
to the show. MM is one of our talkbacks here
(32:49):
Cape cod listener, Matthew, let's play it.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
I can't believe you guys have been on the radio
four years now. Rush should be very proud with Trump
and with you guys. So it's just a little bit
of an eye opener. So I just wow, time flies by.
Thank you very much for what you guys do.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
That's very nice. Thank you so much, Matthew, super nice.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Well, officially, because somebody will be out there with a
calendar like well, actually it's been three years and nine months,
we will officially they announced this in May of twenty one,
so in June of twenty one we started, so officially
it will be June, so we have a little bit
of way to go till we'll officially be four years.
But yeah, look, it's been a lot of fun. And
(33:37):
I will say the older I get buck, a year
goes by so fast. Four years like college, four years
in college seemed like it lasted forever. Four years in
high school seemed like it lasted forever. I can't believe
we've been going four years basically here. It feels like
it's passed in the snap of the fingers. Now Rush
did thirty three years, so compared to that period of time,
(33:59):
like four years is still very very fast and very inconsequential.
But we do really value every single day the fact
that we get to talk to you guys. It's a privilege.
And like we said, going to five hundred and fifty five,
I think it is new affiliate stations. We've hadded almost
two hundred in those four years since we started. And
I like to think and do hope that Rush would
(34:21):
be very proud of the work we've done, and I
know he would have been ecstatic for what happened on
November fifth, to be able to come on the day
after the election and be able to talk about Trump's
big win. Absolutely, we got a VIP email in from Barbara.
My Facebook friends. It's friends in quotes keep posting that
(34:41):
Pete Hegseth has removed the names of all notable African
Americans buried at Arlington. Only white men remain on the list.
The cult eats this up and runs with it. Yes, Barbara,
just know that Pete. It's an obvious lie. Pete has
come out and said it as a lie. It is
just pure propaganda, and it's just pure you know, I
(35:03):
don't know what else to say. I mean, it's totally made up.
It's not true at all. It would never happen. Pete
would never do that. It's that's not Pete Hegseth. And
the whole thing is just bizarre. But Clay, I do
think and one of the reason why it's worth noting this,
You're gonna see more of this. You're gonna see more
of just flood the zone with the craziest lies, whether
it's the Elon is about to get the China war plans,
(35:24):
or heg set is removing the names of all like
notable black military figures, Like they're just going to say things.
They've always been doing this, but they're going to do
it even more because they don't even have the broad
narrative of you know, Trump is going to go to
prison and all that stuff that's all gone away, so
they have to fill the void in their lives somehow.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I might mention maybe later in the show this Jackie
Robinson's story, because I do think it fills in a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They pulled some DEI.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Website pages for like a day, and some of them
should not have been pulled, and they went back and
they said, hey, we got to put this stuff back up,
including one about Jackie Robinson, the first black baseball player.
Trump has said he wants a statue of Jackie Robinson
in his statue Garden of American Heroes. So he is
a fan, a big sports fan in general. But some
(36:15):
of these stories can have a scintilla of truth, but
there's errors, right, I mean, no one is going to
be flawless in terms of the way that they apply policy,
and when errors are made, they.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Go back and they try to fix it. So it
was like a twenty four.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Hour story that the sports media tried to turn into
a huge story, and you've got to be honest about
what actually happened. Also, the way you present stories matters
a whole heck of a lot, right. You know, if
I threw a bucket of sand on someone's front seat
of their car, that could be true, and you could say,
why would you do such a thing?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Right, look what they're doing with Tesla's But.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
If the front seat of the car is on fire, yeah,
and I'm trying to help put out the fire, it
makes a lot of sense. Right, So you can take
a true fact and run with it in a way
that is meant to give a very different sense of
what's really going on.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
And also you're picking that story when it's not even
one of the hundred most important stories in any given day,
which is what we talk about a lot. The real
power in media is what you choose to cover, because
you can find almost anything on any given day to
focus on. We'll come back, we'll talk about the important
Department of Education gone and some real attacks that are
(37:26):
nasty on elone.
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I hope all
of you are having fantastic Fridays.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I bet there are some bleary eyes.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Across the nation because basketball did not end until one
am last night on the East coast. I am on
the East coast in Washington.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
D C.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Gearing up for a trip with President Trump on Air
Force one.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That does not stink.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm excited to be here in our DC studio Freedom
one oh four point seven reminder, and thank you. We
hit five hundred and fifty five affiliate stations this week,
up nearly two hundred since we started four years ago.
That is a testament to this audience, to the show,
and to people being able to overlook buck Sexton hating
(00:45):
cobbler and having pistachio ice cream fantasies. So the fact
that we've overcome all that is truly remarkable. We got
a lot to dive into here. President Trump this morning
has officially signed papers to end the Department of Education,
and we're going to be reacting to that. Elon Musk,
I think it's really kind of extraordinary. Has become even
(01:07):
more of a target. I bet you would agree with this,
Buck than even Trump himself. Now, I think they've recognized
that there are no new attacks they can levy on Trump.
I mean, once they call you Hitler and the American
public goes ahead and votes for you, it's like, oh,
I don't know that anything is really registering when it
comes to the attacks on Trump. But they are coming
(01:29):
after Elon with a vengeance. And I was listening this
morning our friend Sean Parnell, formerly of the Clay and
Buck podcast at Network, now high up at the Department
of Defense. Elon was meeting at the Pentagon this morning
and the meeting was designed to try to figure out
ways to save more money through DOGE. It was reported
(01:50):
in the New York Times that the meeting, and on
its face, I just thought this was crazy, Buck, and
I don't know about you. The New York Times reported
that Elon was getting access to how we would respond
to China militarily in the event they attacked, which is
so outlandish and crazy. Like I thought I was being
(02:10):
pranked when I saw the headline. They say that it
is completely untrue. Here is Sean Parnell talking about what
Elon was doing on the Pentagon visit, and I know
Trump and Pete hegset. Defense Secretary have just addressed it
in the last several minutes from inside of the Oval office.
But here's our friend Sean Parnell cut six on the record.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That is completely fake. And let me show you this.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
This started with this New York Times headline and they
since changed it. But Musk set to get access to
top secret US plan for potential war with China. This
is egregious, This is fake. The New York Times should
retract this story. Five anonymous sources. I've been on Bilat
calls with the Secretary.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I see how.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hard he's working to implement the President's agenda and pursue
peace through strength. This type of garbage from the New
York Times undermines that process, undermines our mission. It shouldn't
happen at all. Elon Musk is just coming over here
for a visit.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I mean, buck, this is kind of crazy. First of all,
do you buy that they would be giving a brief
Why would they give Elon Musk a briefing on the
military response in the event we went to war with China.
It's a very strange thing, like what's going on?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
No, I think that whatever it is that they were
reporting whatever their sources said was either just flat out
wrong or misreported because they had the story wrong right,
So it was either they just ran with it and
didn't care, or they exaggerated dramatically. Whatever it was that
I've been said, Keep in mind, Elon Musk already has
(03:40):
a top secret and compartmented security clearance. He can see
a lot. There seems to be this very weird game,
you know, Tim Wallas. I think recently Clay said that
Elon should go back to South Africa or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yah.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Elon's been an American citizen for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
How the Democrats all this sudden are the xenophobic ones
when they don't like what someone's doing to their favorite
group of toys, which is all these different federal agencies. Elon, also,
because of the role that he has with SpaceX, is
going to know more about you know, aerodynamics, jet propulsion capabilities,
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space technology then basically anybody in the United States government anyway.
I hate to have to break that to anyone, but
if you want to know what's truly cutting edge, you
wouldn't sit down with NASA, you would sit down with Elon.
And I think that Democrats have a really hard even
if they tried to think it through, which they don't
have a very hard time with that, because they like
to believe that, just like in the movie Armagedin, there's
(04:43):
a team of geniuses at NASA that will save us
from the asteroid hitting, which by the way, is not true.
There's a team that could get a great DEI seminar
going for you, but NASA is not what we were
raised to believe it was from the moon landing days.
So they're going after Elon though, collect and I think
it's because of a couple of things. One, they see
him as really the implementur of the Trump agenda right now,
(05:07):
and I think he also worries them in a longer
term sense because he's the richest man in the world,
running some of the most influential companies in the world,
and he's going to be around for a long time,
and his influence isn't one election. His influence could be
much more meaningful than that over the long term, you know,
not just the four years that he may be helping Trump.
(05:29):
And that's why they've really focused their fire pardon expression.
They focus their anger more at Elon than at Trump.
For the last couple of months. I think you're one
hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I would also suggest that partly it's because they have
now recognized that their attacks on Trump just don't work.
And what the data reflected, there's some interesting data from
the election, Buck that shows that one reason Kamala had
so much difficulty defining Trump was every time she tried
(06:00):
to attack him, it actually worked to Trump's favor. Because
once you try to imprison someone for the rest of
their life, and once you try to bankrupt them, and
once you have called them hitler for nearly a decade,
eventually you get to the point where all of those
attacks have no more impact. And I suspect that what
has happened is they looked at Elon and they said, Okay,
(06:25):
he hasn't been attacked in the same way. And it's interesting,
Buck to me, because what they tried to do initially
was say, oh, Elon's really the president of the United States.
There was a calculated attempt to try to divide Trump
and Elon by saying, Trump, who you've tried to tell us,
is this authoritarian Hitlarian dictator is actually not in command
(06:50):
of this regime of this new term. It's actually Elon Musk.
That seems to have fallen flat because that was their
initial way to come after Elon, and now the new
attack is, let's try to hit Elon in the pocket book,
let's try to destroy him. I mean, this tesla stuff
is crazy, buck. Some of it is just silly, like
(07:11):
there's a video that went viral of a woman pulling
down her pants and like rubbing her butt on a tesla.
But then there's actually scary stuff like the fire bombing.
And I don't know if you saw this video that
has started to go viral. I saw our friend Bill
Malujin shared it this morning of a guy with a
mask on who forces a woman off the side of
the road, gets out and tells her that she supports
(07:35):
Hitler because she's driving a Tesla, and demands that she
immediately sell it. This is strange stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know this if you think about what they had
done with Trump, which was the creation of the ultimate
political boogeyman. There are a lot of people who now
that they do this, let's say, you know, they'll talk
about like stochastic terrorism, right, which is if you just
put the message out enough randomly, someone somewhere will act
(08:02):
on it. This is a very this is a Democrat
concept for whenever they want to blame terrorism on Republicans,
it's stochastic terrorism, right, And that's that's a concept that
they've come up with. It's actually from mathematics. It's essentially,
if you try something enough the variability of a vast
with a vast number set, someone's going to do something crazy.
(08:23):
But what you see with Elon, I think is they
have had to transfer that rage mechanism that they have
built up against Trump. Well, what really is the you know,
Trump's only he's doing it. He's president. He's not running
again like they you know, they tried to kill him twice.
Like it's just he's not going anywhere. He won, and
they have to deal with it now, like they've had
(08:44):
to accept at some level that he is president and
this is the next four years.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But I think that the.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Emotional need they have the same way those little maniacs
who say they're antifa meaning anti fascist, and they run
around all dressed in black. You remember this, I mean
they up at different protests, but it's really all just
one big act of self congratulation and narcissism for total losers.
The total losers of the left, and there's lots of them.
There's millions of them. Maybe it's only five or ten
(09:12):
percent of the Democrat Party, but Clay, they need somebody
to hate and blame for all their problems because for
a decade they've been trained to do that with Donald Trump,
and it just doesn't hit the same way anymore. Not
only that, I think there's an element of they feel
like they were betrayed because Elon Musk was their hero
in creating an electric vehicle.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh yeah, and now.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's like the bitter ex girlfriend where you start behaving
in a fundamentally irrational way. Could be the bitter ex
boyfriend for people out there where it's not only that
Elon is now allied in some way with Trump, it's
that they thought he was their great savior of climate change.
To me, the funniest and most ridiculous aspect of all
(09:55):
this buck is when you're lighting Tesla's on fire, you're
actually just destroying the person who has done the most,
probably to fight climate change, maybe in the entirety of
the world.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And these people in particular, who are the ones lighting
the teslas on fire. I can assure you the overlap
with people that are full of rage at Elon, but
also believe the propaganda about climate as an existential threat.
It's probably close to one hundred percent. Okay, if you're
that upset about Elon, you also believe climate change is
(10:28):
an existential threat, which means that your willingness or your
need to act out your childish rage against Elon and
the Trump industrial complex is more important to you as
a leftist maniac than saving the planet from the climate
change threat that you believe is going to make us
all go extinct. Gives you a sense of how deranged
(10:48):
these people are. But the Democrats created a cult, and
the problem is you can't always control the cult members.
Like when you tell the cult members that the world
is going to end and you get to the one
hundredth time you've told them that, yeah, a lot of
people are going to realize, Okay, that was insane. But
some of them are like, no, it's on the one
hundred and first day, and that's who we're lighting Tesla's
on fire. They are not giving this battle up at all.
(11:10):
They are still insane and they are deeply enmeshed in
the really the MSNBC New York Times DEI Woke Cult
I mean, it's we should come up with a more
specific name for it, but that's what it is. The
Fauci worshiping Zelensky loving maniacs have all come together. I think,
deep down, Buck, they're actually starting to realize they're the
(11:33):
bad guys.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
And I think I've been I've been thinking of saying
this for a while.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I told I told, I think that they're worried, Oh
my god, what if we're wrong about everything.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think that that does occur to some of.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Them, and I think that's why you're seeing them act
out so vociferously and violently. It's because in the back
of their mind, they're like, wait a minute, we've been
arguing we're the good guys, and we're on the right
side of history and Trump's win of the popular vote.
And even if you look at this is the thing
that's crazy to me, Even if you look at what
(12:05):
they're doing. Fuck, Elon is trying to save taxpayers money
and they're lighting tesselas on fire for it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, this is what it's.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It would be different if Elon, if Elon were like
the wars are for bombing Gaza, Yes, I would understand.
You know, if Elon was giving press conversations, He's like, well,
a technology is so much better at bombing gaza.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know, if he was doing like the good Elon impersonation,
thank you, thank you. I'm working on it.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But you know, if he was actually doing that, I
would understand a little more. He's like, Hey, guys, your
taxpayer dollars are being lit on fire, and the money
that's being spent by the government is debasing all of
the money that you are earning and all the money
that you are saving. I'm trying to stop this from
straight up destroying the economy so that we have to
(12:51):
have a reset, the likes of which nobody wants to see.
And people are like, light his cars on fire.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
They're trying to treat him like he's a bond villain
and all he's doing is trying to make the government
spend money more efficiently. It's one of the craziest bad
guy descriptions that I've ever heard of.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
And there's also a there's a I don't know if
you'd say it's full circle, if it's poetic justice, it's
they They called for this fight.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
They made Elon, They made Elon who he is. They
created him.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Yes, they created him because of a lot of things,
a lot of the madness, a lot of what they've
been pushing for, certainly the Trump era, which is really
its own period of American politics now right.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean, it's just different than everything else we've seen.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
But Clay, they transed one of his kids, and he
has said this, I am not surmising this. They trans
one of his young children, not even like a you know,
seventeen eighteen year old or whatever, and he said.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It means war and he was serious. And that's where
we are.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
That's one. And they tried to shut down his factories
during COVID. And I do think that the combination of
those two who has created a true fixation on destroying
the woke virus in all of its essence. And we
need to talk more about this because I'm just I'm
kind of blown away. It's rare that I'm surprised. I
didn't think we would get to the point where the
(14:15):
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back into clay Enbock. We're talking about what Trump has
been discussing from the Oval office. He had a Q
and A right before we came on air. Bring you
some of those highlights. Also, the war on Elon Musk
(15:42):
from the left. The Elon derangement syndrome is reaching new heights.
But Clay, I actually thought this is cut seventeen. I
always like it when we can bring good news to
this audience, or when we can appreciate a moment of
victory together here and former Republican pundit person I think
(16:04):
she's on the view sometimes, or she was on the view,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
CNN.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
She pops up in different places. Anna Navarro. I thought
this was just this was just perfect. She said this
yesterday about Trump voters and how they're feeling right now,
and I gotta be honest with you, she nailed it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Play Seventeen police departments in South Florida are signing cooperation
agreements to be deputized as ICE. When we you know,
I keep thinking.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, this is gonna be this is going to change
the way.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
They're gleeful. Everybody I know who voted.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
For Trump is gleeful and supportive of everything he's doing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, well, I love it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
She's like, I keep waiting for them to realize what
a huge mistake they've made. But they're all doing victory
dances in the street, and they love every second of
what Trump is doing. Yes, she's paying attention. Correct so
far A plus Trump, A plus Trump all the way
through since election day, A student intelligent analysis from the view.
I haven't said it in a long time, Buck, but
she nailed it. I voted exactly for all of this,
(17:08):
and that's one of the things they've tried to do.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
If you noticed this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
In addition to trying to destroy Elon, they have come
out and said, oh, there's a lot of Trump voters
who regret their votes.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I'm not her. I don't think that there are any
Trump voters who regret their votes. This is this is
the same as some of the attacks on onn Elon Musk,
which just make no when they say things like he's
stupid or he's not competent to do this, Like, guys,
get a better attack line, Like it's getting sad. Actually, yeah,
(17:38):
it's getting sad out there for Democrats. They're not even
saying things that are untrue, but kind of hit. It's
like watching the weakling in the class take swings at
the cool kid and just miss and miss and fall
on his face and you just feel sad for him.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It when you try to say that Elon Musk is
not very smart, which is what AOC tried to say. Yes,
it's just that's a tough that's a tough putt to
sink buck. That's like you know, your four hundred yards
from the hole and you're living up a putt and
you're feeling. No, Elon's a genius. Now, you might not
agree with him on things, and that's the argument that
you could make, but again, he's trying to cut government waste,
(18:16):
something that every Democrat argued for a generation they wanted
to do.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I also think and this comes in part Look, Trump
started this by being outside of politics, and so all
due credit to him first and foremost for breaking through
this logjam, but Elon has certainly added a layer to
it of we need our most impressive people in this
country sometimes to actually help the country. Yes, it can't
just be the schmos who don't know anything other than
(18:43):
how to fundraise running the country.
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Speaker 2 (19:46):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
In Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We talked about the
attacks on Elon and we're going to continue to play
some of those for you because they are outrageous, outlandish,
and indefensible. But Buck, you hit on something that I
think is really important, which is not only are those
attacks actually without any merit whatsoever, they also are generally
(20:11):
coming from people who are morons and lack all historic
knowledge and do not have the ability to make very
cogent or tangible arguments among those Joy Reid who went
on I think this was with Don Lemon. Remember when
the comment about how brilliant Thomas Jefferson was when he
(20:32):
dined alone one of the great all time quotes. I
would submit to you that Joy Reid and Don Lemon
is maybe the dumbest combination of interviewer and interviewe that
you could have in the political realm. And Joy Reid said,
I think America is going to go to war with
Canada and Canada is going to win.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
This is real. Listen, you can't.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Make Canada the fifty first state without going to war
with them. And let me play how that happened, how
that worked out the last time we tried to go
to war with Canada. They burned the White House to
the ground in eighteen fourteen and.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Won the war.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Canada beat us in the War of eighteen twelve. They
probably like their chances against us. We're not gonna beat
them in a war because we have never been able
to do that. You'd have to occupy a country that
is equivalent of the size of the United States, in
which the top two thirds of it is uninhabited, frozen
(21:36):
forest land that touches the Arctic. You know how that
worked out when the Nazis tried that with Russia, which
is the equivalent of Canada on that part of the world.
We gonna lose. We don't have enough troops to occupy.
They are a country of thirty nine million people who
(21:59):
are who have about as many guns per capita as
we do.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
It's not possible to be this stupid. She must be kidding, right,
It's not possible that she's this dumb. Actually, I think
I actually be this dumb. I think it is actually
that dumb. I think it's actually that dumb. The fact
that she was paid millions of dollars to explain the
world the people on television at MSNBC tells you all
you need to know about the state of left wing media.
(22:26):
That was the dumbest rant I maybe have ever heard. Actually,
it's actually like the Mona Lisa of dumb. It should
go hang up in a museum and people should study
it for centuries to come. It is that dumb.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So several things that stand out here.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
First of all, she manages to have some historical knowledge
and misapply it all the time. The War of eighteen
twelve wasn't with Canada, it was with England. Let's start there,
which owned Canada at the time and so was at
the time probably the most powerful country in the world,
(23:02):
because America was still in its infancy, and even though
we had won the Revolutionary War, we had not really
established ourselves as the pre eminent power in the world.
Point one point two. She tries to make a historical
analogy about the difficulty of conquering a country in a
time of when the weather when it's super cold, and
she uses World War two as an example. I think,
(23:25):
although you could also point to Napoleon, but the problem
is those were occupied lands. Her argument doesn't make any
sense because she rightly says Canada almost everyone in Canada
lives close to the United States border. You wouldn't actually
have to commit much men or materiel to conquer the
two thirds of Canada where no one lives, right, Like,
(23:47):
that's actually a really easy job. Third, she manages to
treat the fact that they have more guns at thirty
nine million people without recognizing that they have one tenth
of the population of the United States and hints a
fraction of the overall firepower, all while trying to treat
the idea of an American invasion of Canada as a
(24:09):
likely proposition. She manages to string together buck so much
historical inaccuracy while having a sentilla of knowledge such that
she's actually dumber than if she knew nothing at all,
Which is really kind of an interesting take, isn't it right?
Like she would actually be better if she had no
historic knowledge whatsoever, because she has so misapplied the historical
(24:31):
analogies that she's trying to apply that they actually render
her argument worse than if she didn't have the knowledge
in the first place.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I do worry that we are all and all of
you listening are a little dumber just for having listened
to How dumb that was? I just this is where
they are, though, Buck, they paid her time host MSNBC
until a few minutes ago, primetime host everybody millions of
dollars gotta listen to her. Rachel Maddow said, her favorite colleague.
Oh yeah, Buck, this is also important. I think everybody
(25:00):
out there listening you and I. If people heard our
off air conversation, would we would sound almost identical.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Maybe there's a new curse word, pepper day. It is
the same.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
It just has occasional curses unless there are children within earshot. Yes, correct,
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Think anybody would say, like, you've got to hear the
outrageous opinion that Clay has or Buck has that he's
actually afraid to say, they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
The calls that we would have with producers, the meetings
that we would have with advertisers, are off air conversations,
by and large. If they all went public, people would say, yeah,
that's kind of what I expect because I listened to
him for three hours every day.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Imagine the idiocy.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
That they protected Joy Read from actually putting on the air.
This is to be fair, To be fair, I mean,
your your point is well taken, but one of the
differences between TV and radio.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You can hide with TV, you really can.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
You You can hide super dumb people and protect them
from themselves.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Because it's all stage managed.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It's it's it's very much a you know, it's a
proper base sp it's a play. You put on makeup
and you look into it. I mean, it is very
different than radio. You cannot hide for three hours a
day on radio, year in and year out.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
People know who you are.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
This is one of the reasons why the familiarity that
people who listen to our wonderful audience when they come
up and talk to us. Yeah, they know the name
of They know my wife's name, they know my dog's name,
they know where I grew up, they know what I
what movies are like. I mean, they know more than
like anybody I ever went on a first date with.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
By times, you know, one hundred, you know what I mean,
it's yeah, pretty full.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They spend it fifteen hours a week with everybody out there,
and so you can't fake or hide. I think when
you hear some of these people like Don Lemon is
a great example, I think you would hear it with
Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think you would hear it with Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think there are a lot of people that are
not necessarily that good at what they do.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I think Rachel Maddow is actually smart, She's just a
really kind of committed liar, which you can argue is
even scarier. But when they lack the protection of a staff,
and when they lack the protection of a surrounding community
to kind of protect them from themselves, many of these
TV people expose themselves. And frankly, Buck, a lot of
journalists have on social media right when they lack editors,
(27:20):
when they're outside the framework of their job. Social media
just shines a light on who you really are, and
that could be good or bad. But for many people,
I think in the realm of current events, politics, media, news, television, sports,
who are in the opinion business, you're actually recognizing they
(27:40):
don't do a lot of homework and they're not actually
that smart outside of the parameters of the show that
they have, And I think this is what happens with
Joy Reid. I also think it's why audiences don't connect
with them outside of television because to your point, Buck,
they're not honest and they're not that authentic, and that
also gets exposed Yeah, I hadn't heard that sound bite
(28:02):
until we played it live on the radio. So you
pulled that one off the sheet, and I'm still I'm
actually in shock.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That was amazing. I sent it in.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It was the.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Craziest most like overconfident but ignorant historical rent I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It was amazing what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The little bit of historical knowledge that she had actually
managed to completely invalidate her argument, such that she would
have been far better off to have known nothing about
the history that she was trying to cite.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
She misapplied all of it. And they but the initial
premise too.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
We're obviously not going to war with correct correct, so
dumb to even to even entertain this. No one in
the US military would would would follow an order to
start bombing Ottawa.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, we love made you think we're gonna take windsor
from Detroit.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
It's not gonna happen. You know, I know that people
think all but they'll do, you know everything Trump says,
it will just happen. No, and Trump's not gonna say it.
And you know the whole thing is.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
We know Pete except pretty well, well, you know Sean
Parnell pretty well, they're not invading Canada.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Pete is not pouring over plans to drop nukes on
Saskatchewan right now. I promise you we know Pete very
well for a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is not happening.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I also think you've talked about this before, not taking
Trump literally. He finds something that he thinks is fun funny,
justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada, and he exploits
it and manipulates the media to cover it such that
it turns into an actual conversation point. And what it
does is disrupt the overall direction and he ends up
(29:37):
somewhere nowhere near where he's arguing, and it's a win.
But it's such a clear negotiation tactic. I don't understand how,
a decade after Trump has been in politics, every single
thing to a large extent, is still taken so literally
by so many people who cover politics. Well, I think
that's why he in party keeps doing it, because he
(29:58):
enjoys getting a rise out of them, and it also
off balances them.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Like I know this from you know, I play a.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Fair amount of of like recreational you know, country club tennis.
I don't belong to a country club, but you know
that's what people will call it. And you know there's
like there's like head games you can do with people,
and some people get really into this stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You know, you you leave your bag.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
On one side of the court so that it's like
you've already picked your side, even though you know there's
like little things. Trump loves that stuff. When it comes
to the media, man, he loves when the second they
say you can't say it kind of reminds me of
somebody else, I know, the second they say, mister Clay Travis,
you can't say that, He's like, oh yeah, and he
just is gonna pound that point day in and day
(30:40):
out until they beg for mercy. Yes, I definitely enjoy
doing things that people say I can't do.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And the number one way, the number one way to
end if you dislike something that I'm doing is not
to complain about it. Which, yeah, there's probably all sorts
of things going on there. But we come back, well,
we got to hunt of talkbacks. You guys are phenomenal
with the talkbacks and our team listens to them all.
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck coming up here.
I want to talk about the pivot.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
You're starting to see ward h class warfare stuff, the
millionaires and billionaires, Bernie Sanders and AOC out there together
trying to make some waves for the Democrats, trying to.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Get that socialist, socialist vibe going. At this point in time,
I don't think it's going to work as well as
they think, but we will discuss. We've got a bunch
of talkbacks. Remember, if you want to give us a talkback,
go to the iHeart Radio app and go to the
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(32:49):
Cape cod listener, Matthew, let's play it.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
I can't believe you guys have been on the radio
four years now. Rush should be very proud with Trump
and with you guys. So it's just a little bit
of an eye opener. So I just wow, time flies by.
Thank you very much for what you guys do.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
That's very nice. Thank you so much, Matthew, super nice.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Well, officially, because somebody will be out there with a
calendar like well, actually it's been three years and nine months,
we will officially they announced this in May of twenty one,
so in June of twenty one we started, so officially
it will be June, so we have a little bit
of way to go till we'll officially be four years.
But yeah, look, it's been a lot of fun. And
(33:37):
I will say the older I get buck, a year
goes by so fast. Four years like college, four years
in college seemed like it lasted forever. Four years in
high school seemed like it lasted forever. I can't believe
we've been going four years basically here. It feels like
it's passed in the snap of the fingers. Now Rush
did thirty three years, so compared to that period of time,
(33:59):
like four years is still very very fast and very inconsequential.
But we do really value every single day the fact
that we get to talk to you guys. It's a privilege.
And like we said, going to five hundred and fifty five,
I think it is new affiliate stations. We've hadded almost
two hundred in those four years since we started. And
I like to think and do hope that Rush would
(34:21):
be very proud of the work we've done, and I
know he would have been ecstatic for what happened on
November fifth, to be able to come on the day
after the election and be able to talk about Trump's
big win. Absolutely, we got a VIP email in from Barbara.
My Facebook friends. It's friends in quotes keep posting that
(34:41):
Pete Hegseth has removed the names of all notable African
Americans buried at Arlington. Only white men remain on the list.
The cult eats this up and runs with it. Yes, Barbara,
just know that Pete. It's an obvious lie. Pete has
come out and said it as a lie. It is
just pure propaganda, and it's just pure you know, I
(35:03):
don't know what else to say. I mean, it's totally made up.
It's not true at all. It would never happen. Pete
would never do that. It's that's not Pete Hegseth. And
the whole thing is just bizarre. But Clay, I do
think and one of the reason why it's worth noting this,
You're gonna see more of this. You're gonna see more
of just flood the zone with the craziest lies, whether
it's the Elon is about to get the China war plans,
(35:24):
or heg set is removing the names of all like
notable black military figures, Like they're just going to say things.
They've always been doing this, but they're going to do
it even more because they don't even have the broad
narrative of you know, Trump is going to go to
prison and all that stuff that's all gone away, so
they have to fill the void in their lives somehow.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I might mention maybe later in the show this Jackie
Robinson's story, because I do think it fills in a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They pulled some DEI.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Website pages for like a day, and some of them
should not have been pulled, and they went back and
they said, hey, we got to put this stuff back up,
including one about Jackie Robinson, the first black baseball player.
Trump has said he wants a statue of Jackie Robinson
in his statue Garden of American Heroes. So he is
a fan, a big sports fan in general. But some
(36:15):
of these stories can have a scintilla of truth, but
there's errors, right, I mean, no one is going to
be flawless in terms of the way that they apply policy,
and when errors are made, they.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Go back and they try to fix it. So it
was like a twenty four.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Hour story that the sports media tried to turn into
a huge story, and you've got to be honest about
what actually happened. Also, the way you present stories matters
a whole heck of a lot, right. You know, if
I threw a bucket of sand on someone's front seat
of their car, that could be true, and you could say,
why would you do such a thing?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Right, look what they're doing with Tesla's But.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
If the front seat of the car is on fire, yeah,
and I'm trying to help put out the fire, it
makes a lot of sense. Right, So you can take
a true fact and run with it in a way
that is meant to give a very different sense of
what's really going on.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
And also you're picking that story when it's not even
one of the hundred most important stories in any given day,
which is what we talk about a lot. The real
power in media is what you choose to cover, because
you can find almost anything on any given day to
focus on. We'll come back, we'll talk about the important
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(37:26):
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