March 21, 2025 • 56 mins
MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome) is completely irrational and possibly worse now than TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). The Democrats have created a cult, and they've now lost control of them. The left is trying to make Elon Musk a bond villain when he's really a hero. Joy Reid: The Mona Lisa of dumb.
They also discussed President Trump's recent decision to sign papers to end the Department of Education, highlighting the potential impacts and reactions. The conversation shifts to Elon Musk, who has become a significant target for criticism, even more so than Trump. They explore the media's portrayal of Musk, including a controversial New York Times report about his Pentagon visit, which was debunked by Sean Parnell.
Clay and Buck discuss how figures like Bernie Sanders and AOC are using Musk as a pivot to reignite class warfare rhetoric, despite the irony of Democrats being heavily supported by wealthy donors. Batya Ungar-Sargon provides a compelling argument dismantling the myth that Republicans are backed by oligarchs, emphasizing that Democrats are the true party of the wealthy.
The hosts also explore the irrational behavior of Musk's detractors, including vandalism and firebombing incidents targeting Tesla dealerships. They reflect on the broader implications of these attacks and the disconnect between builders like Musk and Trump and bureaucrats who hinder progress. Sean Parnell, Top Pentagon Spokesman, joins the show to debunk a fake New York Times report about Musk's Pentagon visit and discusses the top priorities at the Department of Defense, including homeland security, deterring China, and increasing burden-sharing with allies.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I hope all
of you are having fantastic Fridays.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I bet there are some bleary eyes.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Across the nation because basketball did not end until one
am last night on the East coast. I am on
the East coast in Washington.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
D C.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Gearing up for a trip with President Trump on Air
Force one.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That does not stink.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm excited to be here in our DC studio Freedom
one oh four point seven reminder, and thank you. We
hit five hundred and fifty five affiliate stations this week,
up nearly two hundred since we started four years ago.
That is a testament to this audience, to the show,
and to people being able to overlook buck Sexton hating
(00:45):
cobbler and having pistachio ice cream fantasies. So the fact
that we've overcome all that is truly remarkable. We got
a lot to dive into here. President Trump this morning
has officially signed papers to end the Department of Education,
and we're going to be reacting to that. Elon Musk,
I think it's really kind of extraordinary. Has become even
(01:07):
more of a target. I bet you would agree with this,
Buck than even Trump himself. Now, I think they've recognized
that there are no new attacks they can levy on Trump.
I mean, once they call you Hitler and the American
public goes ahead and votes for you, it's like, oh,
I don't know that anything is really registering when it
comes to the attacks on Trump. But they are coming
(01:29):
after Elon with a vengeance. And I was listening this
morning our friend Sean Parnell, formerly of the Clay and
Buck podcast at Network, now high up at the Department
of Defense. Elon was meeting at the Pentagon this morning
and the meeting was designed to try to figure out
ways to save more money through DOGE. It was reported
(01:50):
in the New York Times that the meeting, and on
its face, I just thought this was crazy, Buck, and
I don't know about you. The New York Times reported
that Elon was getting access to how we would respond
to China militarily in the event they attacked, which is
so outlandish and crazy. Like I thought I was being
(02:10):
pranked when I saw the headline. They say that it
is completely untrue. Here is Sean Parnell talking about what
Elon was doing on the Pentagon visit, and I know
Trump and Pete hegset. Defense Secretary have just addressed it
in the last several minutes from inside of the Oval office.
But here's our friend Sean Parnell cut six.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
On the record. That is completely fake. And let me
show you this. This started with this New York Times
headline and they since changed it. But Musk set to
get access to top secret US plan for potential war
with China. This is egregious, This is fake. The New
York Times should retract this story. Five anonymous sources. I've
been on Bilat calls with the Secretary. I see how
(02:51):
hard he's working to implement the President's agenda and pursue
peace through strength. This type of garbage from the New
York Times undermines that process, undermines our mission. It shouldn't
happen at all. Elon Musk is just coming over here
for a visit.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I mean, buck, this is kind of crazy. First of all,
do you buy that they would be giving a brief
Why would they give Elon Musk a briefing on the
military response in the event we went to war with China.
It's a very strange thing, like what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, I think that whatever it is that they were
reporting whatever their sources said was either just flat out
wrong or misreported because they had the story wrong right,
So it was either they just ran with it and
didn't care, or they exaggerated dramatically whatever it was that
I've been said, Keep in mind, Elon Musk already has
(03:40):
a top secret and compartmented security clearance. He can see
a lot. There seems to be this very weird game,
you know, Tim Wallas. I think recently Clay said that
Elon should go back to South Africa or something like that.
Elon's been an American citizen for twenty years. Interesting, isn't
it how the Democrats all this sudden are the xenophobic
(04:02):
ones when they don't like what someone's doing to their
favorite group of toys, which is all these different federal agencies. Elon, also,
because of the role that he has with SpaceX, is
going to know more about you know, aerodynamics, jet propulsion capabilities,
space technology then basically anybody in the United States government anyway.
(04:25):
I hate to have to break that to anyone, but
if you want to know what's truly cutting edge, you
wouldn't sit down with NASA, you would sit down with Elon.
And I think that Democrats have a really hard even
if they tried to think it through, which they don't
have a very hard time with that, because they like
to believe that, just like in the movie Armagedin, there's
a team of geniuses at NASA that will save us
from the asteroid hitting, which by the way, is not true.
(04:48):
There's a team that could get a great DEI seminar
going for you, but NASA is not what we were
raised to believe it was from the moon landing days.
So they're going after Elon though, collect and I think
it's because of a couple of things. One, they see
him as really the implementur of the Trump agenda right now,
and I think he also worries them in a longer
(05:11):
term sense because he's the richest man in the world,
running some of the most influential companies in the world,
and he's going to be around for a long time,
and his influence isn't one election. His influence could be
much more meaningful than that over the long term, you know,
not just the four years that he may be helping Trump.
And that's why they've really focused their fire pardon expression.
(05:33):
They focus their anger more at Elon than at Trump.
For the last couple of months. I think you're one
hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I would also suggest that partly it's because they have
now recognized that their attacks on Trump just don't work.
And what the data reflected, there's some interesting data from
the election, Buck that shows that one reason Kamala had
so much difficulty defining Trump was every time she tried
(06:00):
to attack him, it actually worked to Trump's favor. Because
once you try to imprison someone for the rest of
their life, and once you try to bankrupt them, and
once you have called them hitler for nearly a decade,
eventually you get to the point where all of those
attacks have no more impact. And I suspect that what
has happened is they looked at Elon and they said, Okay,
(06:25):
he hasn't been attacked in the same way. And it's interesting,
Buck to me, because what they tried to do initially
was say, oh, Elon's really the president of the United States.
There was a calculated attempt to try to divide Trump
and Elon by saying, Trump, who you've tried to tell us,
is this authoritarian Hitlarian dictator is actually not in command
(06:50):
of this regime of this new term. It's actually Elon Musk.
That seems to have fallen flat because that was their
initial way to come after Elon, and now the new
attack is, let's try to hit Elon in the pocket book,
Let's try to destroy him. I mean, this tesla stuff
is crazy, buck. Some of it is just silly, like
(07:11):
there's a video that went viral of a woman pulling
down her pants and like rubbing her butt on a tesla.
But then there's actually scary stuff like the fire bombing.
And I don't know if you saw this video that
has started to go viral. I saw our friend Bill
Malujin shared it this morning of a guy with a
mask on who forces a woman off the side of
the road, gets out and tells her that she supports
(07:35):
Hitler because she's driving a Tesla, and demands that she
immediately sell it. This is strange stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know this if you think about what they had
done with Trump, which was the creation of the ultimate
political boogeyman. There are a lot of people who now
that they do this, let's say, you know, they'll talk
about like stochastic terrorism, right, which is if you just
put the message out enough randomly, someone somewhere will act
(08:02):
on it. This is a very This is a Democrat
concept for whenever they want to blame terrorism on Republicans,
it's stochastic terrorism, right, And that's that's a concept that
they've come up with. It's actually from mathematics. It's essentially,
if you try something enough the variability of a vast
with a vast number set, someone's going to do something crazy.
(08:23):
But what you see with Elon, I think is they
have had to transfer that rage mechanism that they have
built up against Trump. Well, what really is the you know,
Trump's only he's doing it. He's president. He's not running
again like they you know, they tried to kill him twice.
Like it's just he's not going anywhere. He won, and
they have to deal with it now, like they've had
(08:44):
to accept at some level that he is president and
this is the next four years. But I think that
the emotional need they have the same way those little
maniacs who say they're antifa meaning anti fascist, and they
run around all dressed in black. You remember this, I
mean they up at different protests, but it's really all
just one big act of self congratulation and narcissism for
(09:05):
total losers, the total losers of the left, and there's
lots of them. There's millions of them. Maybe it's only
five or ten percent of the Democrat Party, but Clay,
they need somebody to hate and blame for all their
problems because for a decade they've been trained to do
that with Donald Trump, and it just doesn't hit the
same way anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Not only that, I think there's an element of they
feel like they were betrayed because Elon Musk was their
hero in creating an electric vehicle.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh yeah, and now.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's like the bitter ex girlfriend where you start behaving
in a fundamentally irrational way. Could be the bitter ex
boyfriend for people out there where. It's not only that
Elon is now allied in some way with Trump, it's
that they thought he was their great savior of climate change.
To me, the funniest and most ridiculous aspect of all
(09:55):
this buck is when you're lighting Tesla's on fire, you're
actually just destroying the person who has done the most,
probably to fight climate change, maybe in the entirety of
the world.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And these people in particular, who are the ones lighting
the teslas on fire. I can assure you the overlap
with people that are full of rage at Elon, but
also believe the propaganda about climate as an existential threat.
It's probably close to one hundred percent. Okay, if you're
that upset about Elon, you also believe climate change is
(10:28):
an existential threat, which means that your willingness or your
need to act out your childish rage against Elon and
the Trump industrial complex is more important to you as
a leftist maniac than saving the planet from the climate
change threat that you believe is going to make us
all go extinct. Gives you a sense of how deranged
(10:48):
these people are. But the Democrats created a cult, and
the problem is you can't always control the cult members.
Like when you tell the cult members that the world
is going to end and you get to the one
hundredth time you've told them that, yeah, a lot of
people are going to realize, Okay, that was insane. But
some of them are like, no, it's on the one
hundred and first day, and that's who we're lighting Tesla's
on fire. They are not giving this battle up at all.
(11:10):
They are still insane and they are deeply enmeshed in
the Really the MSNBC New York Times DEI Woke cult,
I mean, it's we should come up with a more
specific name for it, but that's what it is. The
Fauci worshiping, Zelensky loving maniacs have all come together. I think,
deep down, Buck, they're actually starting to realize they're the
(11:33):
bad guys. And I think I've been I've been thinking
of saying this for a while. I told I told,
I think that they're worried, Oh my god, what if
we're wrong about everything. I think that that does occur
to some of them.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I think that's why you're seeing them act out
so vociferously and violently. It's because in the back of
their mind, they're like, wait a minute, we've been arguing
we're the good guys, and we're on the right side
of history and Trump's win of the popular vote. And
even if you look at this is the thing that's
crazy to me, Even if you look at what they're doing. Fuck,
(12:07):
Elon is trying to save taxpayers money and they're lighting
tesselas on fire for it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, this is what it's. It would be different
if Elon, if Elon were like the wars are for
bombing Gaza, Yes, I would understand, you know, if Elon
was giving press conversations, He's like, well, a technology is
so much better at bombing gaza. You know, if he
was doing like the good Elon impersonation, thank you, thank you.
I'm working on it. But you know, if he was
actually doing that, I would understand a little more. He's like, hey, guys,
(12:36):
your taxpayer dollars are being lit on fire, and the
money that's being spent by the government is debasing all
of the money that you are earning and all the
money that you are saving. I'm trying to stop this
from straight up destroying the economy so that we have
to have a reset, the likes of which nobody wants
to see. And people are like, light his cars on fire.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
They're trying to treat him like he's a villain, and
all he's doing is trying to make the government spend
money more efficiently. It's one of the craziest bad guy
descriptions that I've ever heard of.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And there's also a there's a I don't know if
you'd say it's full circle, if it's poetic justice, it's
they They called for this fight. They made Elon, They
made Elon who he is. They created him, Yes, they
created him because of a lot of things, a lot
of the madness, a lot of what they've been pushing for,
certainly the Trump era, which is really its own period
(13:33):
of American politics now right. I mean, it's just different
than everything else we've seen. But Clay, they transed one
of his kids, and he has said this, I am
not surmising this. They trans one of his young children,
not even like a you know, seventeen eighteen year old
or whatever, and he said it means war and he
was serious. And that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
That's one. And they tried to shut down his factories
during COVID. And I do think that the combination of
those two who has created a true fixation on destroying
the woke virus in all of its essence. And we
need to talk more about this because I'm just I'm
kind of blown away. It's rare that I'm surprised. I
didn't think we would get to the point where the
(14:15):
fire bombings of car dealerships will be taking place.
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Speaker 1 (15:29):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We talked
about the attacks on Elon and we're going to continue
to play some of those for you because they are outrageous, outlandish,
and indefensible. But Buck, you hit on something that I
think is really important, which is not only are those
attacks actually without any merit whatsoever, they also are generally
(15:54):
coming from people who are morons and lack all historic
knowledge and do not have the ability to make very
cogent or tangible arguments among those Joy Reid, who went on,
I think this was with Don Lemon. Remember when the
comment about how brilliant Thomas Jefferson was when he dined
(16:15):
alone one of the great all time quotes. I would
submit to you that Joy Reid and Don Lemon is
maybe the dumbest combination of interviewer and interviewe that you
could have in the political realm. And Joy Reid said,
I think America is going to go to war with
Canada and Canada is going to win. This is real.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You can't make Canada the fifty first state without going
to war with them, and let me explain how that happened.
How that worked out. The last time we tried to
go to war with Canada, they.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Burned the White House to the ground in eighteen fourteen and.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Won the war.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Canada beat us.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
In the War of eighteen twelve.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
They probably liked their chances against us.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
We're not gonna beat them in a war because we
have never been able to do that. You'd have to
occupy a country that is equivalent of the size of
the United States, in which the top two thirds of
it is uninhabited, frozen forest land that touches the Arctic.
(17:23):
You know how that worked out when the Nazis tried
that with Russia, which is the equivalent of Canada.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
On that part of the world.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
We don't lose. We don't have enough troops to occupy.
They are a country of thirty nine million people who
are who have about as many guns per capita as
we do.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's not possible to be this stupid. She must be kidding, right,
It's not possible that she's this dumb. Actually, I think
I actually be this dumb. I think it's actually that dumb.
I think he's actually got dumb. The fact that she
was paid millions of dollars to explain the world the
people on television at MSNBC tells you all you need
to know about the state of left wing media. That
(18:09):
was the dumbest rant I maybe have ever heard. It's
actually like the Mona Lisa of Dumbag. We should go
hang up in a museum and people should study it
for centuries to come. It is that dumb. So several
things that stand out here.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
First of all, she manages to have some historical knowledge
and misapply it all the time. The War of eighteen
twelve wasn't with Canada, it was with England. Let's start there,
which owned Canada at the time, and so was at
the time probably the most powerful country in the world,
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because America was still in its infancy, and even though
we had won the Revolutionary War, we had not really
established ourselves as the pre eminent power in the world.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Point one. Point two.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
She tries to make a historical analogy about the difficulty
of conquering a country in a time of when the
weather when it's super cold, and she uses World War
two as an example. I think, although you could also
point to Napoleon. But the problem is those were occupied lands.
Her argument doesn't make any sense because she rightly says Canada.
(19:18):
Almost everyone in Canada lives close to the United States border.
You wouldn't actually have to commit much men or materiel
to conquer the two thirds of Canada where no one lives.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Right Like, that's actually a really easy job.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Third, she manages to treat the fact that they have
more guns at thirty nine million people without recognizing that
they have one tenth of the population of the United
States and hence a fraction of the overall firepower, all
while trying to treat the idea of an American invasion
of Canada as a likely proposition. She manages to string
(19:55):
together buck so much historical inaccuracy while having a sent
hilla of knowledge such that she's actually dumber than if
she knew nothing at all, Which is really kind of
an interesting take, isn't it right? Like she would actually
be better if she had no historic knowledge whatsoever, because
she has so misapplied the historical analogies that she's trying
(20:15):
to apply that they actually render her argument worse than
if she didn't have the knowledge in the first place.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I do worry that we are all and all of
you listening are a little dumber just for having listened
to How dumb that was. I just this is where
they are, though, Buck, they paid her time host MSNBC
until a few minutes ago, primetime host. Everybody millions of
dollars gotta listen to her. Rachel Maddow said, her favorite colleague.
Oh yeah, Buck, this is also important. I think for
(20:43):
everybody out there listening. You and I.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
If people heard our off air conversation, would we would
sound almost identical.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Maybe there's a new curse word pepper day. It is
the same. It just has occasional curses unless there are
children with an earshot. Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And I don't think anybody would say, like, you've got
to hear the outrageous opinion that Clay has or Buck
has that he's actually afraid to say, they don't exist, right.
The the calls that we would have with producers, the
meetings that we would have with advertisers are off air conversations,
by and large. If they all went public, people would say, yeah,
(21:20):
that's kind of what I expect because I listened to
him for three hours every day.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Imagine the idiocy.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
That they protected Joy Read from actually putting on the air.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This is to be fair. To be fair, I mean
your your point is well taken. But one of the
differences between TV and radio. You can hide with TV,
you really can.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You You can hide super dumb people and protect them
from themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Because it's all stage managed. It's it's it's very much
a you know, it's a it's a pro base, it's
a play.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You put on makeup and you look into it. I mean,
it is very different than radio.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You cannot hide for three hours a day on radio,
year in and year out. People know who you are.
This is one of the reasons why the familiarity that
people who listen to our wonderful audience when they come
up and talk to us. Yeah, they know the name
of they know my wife's name, they know my dog's name,
they know where I grew up, they know what movies
are like. I mean, they know more than like anybody
I ever went on a first date with. By times,
(22:18):
you know, one hundred, you know what I mean, it's yeah,
pretty full.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
They spend it fifteen hours a week with everybody out there,
and so you can't fake or hide. I think when
you hear some of these people like Don Lemon is
a great example. I think you would hear it with
Jake Tapper. I think you would hear it with Anderson Cooper.
I think there are a lot of people that are
not necessarily that good at what they do.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I think Rachel Maddow is actually smart, She's just a
really kind of committed liar, which you can argue is
even scarier. But when they lack the protection of a staff,
and when they lack the protection of a surrounding community
to kind of protect them from themselves, many of these
TV people expose themselves and frankly buck a lot of
journalists on social media right when they lack editors, when
(23:03):
they're outside the framework of their job. Social media just
shines a light on who you really are, and that
could be good or bad. But for many people, I
think in the realm of current events, politics, media, news, television, sports,
who are in the opinion business, you're actually recognizing they
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don't do a lot of homework and they're not actually
that smart outside of the parameters of the show that
they have. And I think this is what happens with
Joy Reid. I also think it's why audiences don't connect
with them outside of television because to your point, Buck,
they're not honest and they're not that authentic, and that
also gets exposed.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I hadn't heard that sound bite until we played
it live on the radio. So you pull that one
off the sheet, and I'm actually in shock. That was amazing.
I sent it into It was the craziest most like
over confident but ignorant historical rent I've ever heard. It
was amazing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
The little bit of historical knowledge that she had actually
managed to completely invalidate her argument, such that she would
have been far better off to have known nothing about
the history that she was trying to cite.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
She misapplied all of it. And they but the initial
premise too. We're obviously not going to war with correct correct,
so dumb to even to even entertain this. No one
in the US military would would would follow an order
to start bombing Ottawa. Okay, we love it. Made you
think we're gonna take windsor from Detroit. It's not gonna happen,
(24:33):
you know, I know that people think all but they'll do,
you know, everything Trump says, it will just happen. No,
and Trump's not gonna say it. And you know.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The whole thing is, we know Pete except pretty well,
we know Sean Parnell pretty well.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
They're not invading Canada. Yeah, I'm sorry. Pete is not
pouring over plans to drop nukes on Saskatchewan right now.
I promise you we know Pete very well for a
long time. That is not happening.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I also think you've talked about this before, not taking
trumpet Really, he finds something that he thinks is fun funny,
justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada, and he exploits
it and manipulates the media to cover it such that
it turns into an actual conversation point. And what it
does is disrupt the overall direction and he ends up
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somewhere nowhere near where he's arguing, and it's a win.
But it's such a clear negotiation tactic. I don't understand how,
a decade after Trump has been in politics, every single
thing to a large extent, is still taken so literally
by so many people who cover politics.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, I think that's why he in party keeps doing it,
because he enjoys getting a rise out of them, and
it also off balances them, Like I know this from
you know, I play a fair amount of like recreational
you know, country club tennis. I don't belong to a
country club, but you know that's what people will call it.
And you know there's like there's like head games you
can do with people, and some people get really into
(25:58):
this stuff. You know, you you leave your bag on
one side of the court so that it's like you've
already picked your side, even though you know there's like
little things. Trump loves that stuff. When it comes to
the media, man, he loves when the second they say
you can't say it kind of remind me of somebody else,
I know, the second they say, mister Clay Travis, you
can't say that, He's like, oh yeah, and he just
(26:20):
is gonna pound that point day in and day out
until they beg for mercy.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yes, I definitely enjoy doing things that people say I
can't do.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I'm not gonna lie.
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to complain about it. Which, yeah, there's probably all sorts
of things going on there. But we come back, well,
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Speaker 2 (27:52):
We've got a lot going on the tour against Elon
from the a lunatic left continues on You've got AOC
out there now, and you know, we talked to Ryan
Gardusky about this yesterday.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That was my first sense, and I said it on
the show after the election, that they're going to try
to build AOC up into a national level democrat figure,
a leadership figure, just because of her profile. She's got
the right demographic appeal for them. I mean, there's a
lot of stuff that comes together for them that would
make me think that they would do it. The problem
(28:27):
is she's a socialist. It's not very bright. But you know,
then again, they made Joe Biden president somehow, so they
can figure out a lot of things, right. But thing
you've started to hear more of is they are using
Elon as a pivot to get into the class warfare thing.
So it's like, yeah, okay, inflation is bad, the price
(28:49):
of eggs coming down under Trump, we all know, but
was too high gas, all these things, But what they
really care about is the millionaires and billionaires, the old
Bernie Sanders routine and oligacky. Here's Bernie Sanders with the
usual stuff, saying that they will not accept oligarchy, played
(29:10):
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Today.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
We are here to say, very loudly and billy, no,
we will not accept an oligarchic form of society wear
a handful of billionaires run the government. No, we will
not accept an authoritarian form of society with a president
(29:36):
who undermines the Constitution every day and is working aggressively
to take away our freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Okay, yeah, whatever, Okay. To the point here though, oligauky,
he's talking to oligarchy again. And the thing that I
find so interesting is they're clearly trying to create a
handoff Bernie Sewell, they tried this with Biden. They know
that they're not gonna get their hand caught in that
bear trap again, right ther or mouse trap or whatever.
Bear trap with a hand would be really tough, but
(30:09):
they they aren't gonna do that again. I think they
realize he is too. He's in his eighties already, so
he's not running for four years eighty three, he's not
running it almost ninety Okay, fine, AOC though is supposed
to be the beneficiary. It's like Bernie is the elder
statesman and the quote intellectual socialist AOC is the next gen.
They're on this tour. But Batsia Hunger Sargan, who had
(30:31):
that great clip on the Bill Marshaw recently about how
happy we all are that Trump is doing what he's
doing and how great things are the Trump voters have
no regrets, nothing but high fives all around. She pointed
out that this whole oligarch thing and the whole Wall
Street for Republican it's all crap, it's all lies. This
is eighteen listen to listener dismantled this well done.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
There is such an irony to Democrats talking about oligarchy because,
of course, for every one billionaire that backed President Trump
Kamala Harris head two nine of the ten richest counties
in America are represented by Democrats. Sixty five percent of
Americans making over five hundred thousand dollars a year today
(31:15):
are Democrats. Seventy five percent of hedge fund managers who
make political donations donate to Democrats, and ninety five percent
of political donations from the top three management consulting firms
go to Democrats. Meanwhile, President Trump absolutely crushed with Americans
who make under one hundred thousand dollars a year. The
Democrats are the party of the wealthy, and Donald Trump
(31:39):
is representing the working class because he simply lifted the
pro worker elements of the Democrats agenda when they abandon
the working class to cater to their rich base.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
This is all performance art.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Is that so well doneham Clay? Those stats? I mean,
I am familiar with some of that before. But if
you look at where the money, big, you know, big
hedge funds money goes to Democrats, government bureaucracy, feeder buroxycy
money all go all goes to Democrats. McKenzie and Bain
and these you know, supposedly elite management consultant firms. Don't
even get me started on what they really do. Democrats,
(32:17):
the establishment elites are overwhelmingly Democrats. Now they're trying to
pivot into the oligaukey And we care about the working class,
they don't care. They don't give a you know what
about the working class.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I think social media has exposed how little depth there
is behind these talking points. To your point, Kamala spent
a billion and a half dollars and had far more
wealthy people supporting her in the election of twenty twenty
four than supported Trump. I was just out in San Francisco, Buck,
(32:51):
Marin County, right across.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
The Golden Gate. Pretty colonists, unfortunately, but gorgeous. That's where
I'm going to unbelievably beautiful. I have a friend from
law school who lives in Marin County, and we went out,
had the kids. We went out and got something to eat,
and after I ate dinner there, I went back.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I'm a data nerd. I just wanted to know because
she said, yeah, everybody around here is a diehard supporter
of Kamala Harris. And she said, every now and then
I'll see like a Trump bumper sticker, and people are
You're gonna love this story, Buck, people are like a ghast.
So we were out for dinner, getting pizza. I had
(33:34):
my son, she had a couple of her daughters, and
one of her daughter's friends was there and we were
kind of talking and everything else, and she said, oh, yeah,
you know mister Clay, he's a big Trump supporter. And
her daughter is in sixth grade, and her daughter's friend
was also in sixth grade. But the daughter's friend looked
at me like she thought I was from another planet.
(33:58):
I don't think she had ever in her life, this
little girl who was living in Marin County, ever seen
someone who was a Trump supporter. And my seventeen year
old when we got in the car to head back
to the hotel, he said, Dad, that girl was terrified
when she found out that you voted for Donald Trump
(34:20):
and were a big Trump supporter. And when you said
to her, he's actually a really nice guy. I told
her about the milkshake story, and I was like, he's
a good grandpa. It was as if I were telling
her that I was from Mars. And I went and
looked at the data. Marin County voted ninety to ten
(34:41):
for Kamala Harris, ninety to ten.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean, it's not just that these people are in cults.
It's that they really have bought into the idea that
we're evil people. Look, we put on Joy Reid. I
don't think Joy reads evil. I think she's a moron.
They really think.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That we are likes in a generous mood today.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, I mean they think that we're Nazi stormtroopers and
and I look, I mean it really like I thought
about this a lot when I got back to the hotel,
because these are highly educated people. How can they be
so insular that they are not familiar even with the
arguments that are being made. And I thought bucked this
(35:25):
tied end because do you know where some of these
Teesla dealerships that are now getting firebombed are Bay Area, right,
And a lot of people there feel somehow as if Twitter,
which was certainly based in the Bay Area, and we've
talked about this. San Francisco is one of the most
beautiful cities in the world, that may be the most beautiful,
truly natural geographic city in all of America, right, just yeah,
(35:47):
And they have such incredible wealth there. I think it's
the wealthiest city in America on a per capita basis.
Yet their minds are so closed that they can't even
comprehend some of the arguments. And they really have the
idea that we're all a bunch of Nazi stormtroopers if
we vote for Trump. And it really is just kind
of staggering, because again, I disagree with a lot of
(36:09):
Democrat voters, but I'm not trying.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
To argue that they are truly evil. Well, you made
a point in the last hour that I think is
worth hitting again. And expanding on a little bit, and
that is that Elon is a trader to his class.
And what's really interesting is that who is the original
(36:32):
great class trader in our lifetime in politics? Donald Trump? Yes,
of course he's not supposed to. He's not supposed to
care about the border. He's not supposed to. You know,
Donald Trump was the billionaire that gets along with and
likes the construction workers and wants them to be able
(36:52):
to live in a nice house and have a nice
wife and a nice family and everything. They that is
a huge problem for the elites and the Donald and
also that Donald Trump didn't have the respect for them,
meaning the New York Times. You know, you show up
that Donald Trump, you say, I went to Harvard. He's like,
who cares? Am I supposed to care? Why am I
supposed to? How'd you get into Harvard? Who cares? You know?
He he sees through a lot of the BS. Elon
(37:16):
is a different kind of trader to his class in
their mind, which is the Silicon Valley. You want to
talk about oligarchs, the Silicon Valley, ultra wealthy, ultra high
IQ global industry dominating figure. They have all I mean,
look at Google, and look at Facebook, and look at you. No,
(37:36):
I know Facebook started to play the game a little bit,
but you look at all. Silicon Valley has been essentially
the greatest wealth creation and concentration of wealth creation maybe
in human history if you did it on like a
square mile basis, And it has unfortunately filled the country
with horrible ideas. It has filled the United States with
(37:58):
the most left wing because of their into social media,
because of the billions of dollars they've spent on politics
in different election cycles going back for decades now. And
Elon is the first one who has really broken from that,
who's at the absolute top. I mean, he is like
the apex of the pyramid Clay and goes, Yeah, that
stuff that you guys have been promoted, that's insane. Yeah,
(38:19):
you're wrong. It's destroying this country. That allowed you to
build Facebook, that allowed you to build Google, that allowed
for that massive wealth creation. So he's kind of the
the Trump of the Bay Area in a sense. Right.
Trump did it for the New York Times and Wall
Street and those elites. Elon has thumbed his nose at
the West Coast Silicon Valley royalty. That's I think really
(38:42):
well said for East versus West Coast and the symbiosis
between the two. I would also point out really a
lot of what we're talking about is builders versus bureaucrats,
people who create something that didn't exist otherwise. Trump built buildings,
Elon has built companies versus the people who really just
(39:02):
kind of get involved in what has already been built
and use it as their method to continue to make
a living. What do most people in DC build other
than a continued tax on the people who actually build,
and there's a frustration. I think that is what unites
Musk and Trump on some level with a lot of
(39:24):
the people in middle management that they feel like don't
actually create. Trump gets along well with construction workers.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Why would that be because he understands that they actually
create things with their hands. They actually build the buildings
that he's trying to put together.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I think that without them, you don't have Trump Tower.
That's why he likes Trump Tower. So thank you for
the guy's building. That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
And Elon has built his car almost exclusively that he
sells in the United States in the United States, and uniquely,
I think respects the craftsmanship for rockets or ships or
whatever else. The building and a lot of what Democrats
represent now is actually the bureaucrats that effectively are taxes
(40:07):
leeches on the builders. And that disconnect is what's motivating
a lot of the conflict that's going on right now
in the country and why I think Elon is the
new target in combination with the fact that they thought
he was their guy and now they're having to look
around and say, wait a minute, the guy who's done
the most to fight climate change is actually.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
A buddy with Trump.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, yeah, and they actually connect, and it's a logical
choice in many ways for what Elon has done.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
And isn't it also interesting, Clay that you see a
pattern a trend here. Jd Vance. I mean I read
Hillbilly Elogy like so many others did over a decade
ago when it came out. Jd. Vance is an incredible
American success story. Yeah, that should be inspiring to everybody
of any background, race, creed, or color to grow. I mean,
(40:59):
few things are harder on a young person than having
a broken family and addict mother. He's now the Vice
President of the United States and became a multimillionaire on
his own and served in the Marine Corps before that. Okay, yep.
The left completely negates all that in their mind because
he is the vice president Donald Trump. Elon Musk. Some
guys show they try to say that he's I've read
(41:21):
Elon's biography. I know you have two He is not
a rich kid, meaning like he didn't grow up a
rich kid. Yeah, his parent's dad had a little bit
of money, but it wasn't he showed up here and
was sleeping on the floor and kind of almost like
a weirdo. So devoted to his career. I mean, he
was absolutely all in and has created multiple companies, employing
(41:42):
hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars of
wealth creation over the life of those companies. It's incredible
what he's done. And they hate him. They hate him,
And then you look at who the Democrats hold up,
Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a leech. He's a leech.
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Most politicians who are professional politicians are leeches. That's the
job now, you said earlier, and I think it's true.
We need more people who have success in life and
then decide to give back to the country.
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Huge game change. The Trump Elon Yeah, the Trump Elon axis.
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Speaker 2 (44:27):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we're talking about
the attacks on Elon and also some of what Trump
said from the oval this morning, well afternoon morning, was
pretty close to being one or the other. And it's
really interesting to see how Trump is not backing down
at all. And one thing Clay that that really did
come across substantially is that Trump recognizes when these judges
(44:55):
and these Democrats oppose things like getting getting elite member.
These are It's not that he's taking Americans who have
joined a gang and just sent them to some foreign
prison somewhere. These are non Americans. They are not supposed
to be in the country in the first place. They're
illegal aliens who are also part of a violent gang
that is a designated terrorist organization. They are being sent
(45:19):
out of the country and Democrats are going to the
mat to make sure they have maximum due process rights.
The same Democrats and I mean the same individuals in
some cases in the media and the Democrat Party who
had no problem with nonviolent j six Americans rotting away
in a DC gulag for a year without trial, are
(45:39):
now really concerned about trend of IRAGUA members. But let's
actually get an update here on the Elon story that
was running on the New York Times from Under Secretary
of Defense Sean Parnell, who joins us for the first
time on the program since he has taken that senior
Pentagon role. I feel like I should say, Sean, thank
(46:01):
you for being with us and tell us, tell us
what you can about what happened with the New York
Times saying Elam was going to get all the China
war plans.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
It was completely fake. And you want to know what else?
We had a heads up from the New York Times reporter.
I should say there's five reporters on it, but by
one of the reporters the night before that they were
planning to write something like that and this was the
angle that they were going to take. And we told
them last night that it's not true, Like what are
you doing? That's not true? This is completely fake. Yet
(46:33):
they ran with the story anyway. And what's crazy to me,
Buck is that like this Secretary Secretary Hegset has been
working so hard to push peace through strength, to build
up our force to work to implement the President's agenda.
I've been on the bilateral calls with foreign leaders. I've
(46:56):
heard him. I've heard him make the case for peace
through strength. But articles like this that Elon Musk is
going to come to the Pentagon and get a super
secret squirrel briefing on war plans with potential China, not
only does it undermine the Secretary's uh, you know what
his goals and ambitions are here, which I think is
part of the point. It also is is it's dangerous.
(47:19):
It's dangerous because many of us took this job. Buck,
and I know I speak for the Secretary too, because
we've got a lot of kids our job. I think
we've got four years to get this done. You know,
as well as iView Buck. The operating environment, the threat
environment globally is changing rapidly. We've got to change and
evolve our force to meet it. But we we've got
(47:40):
kids that we've got to make sure that they inherit
a world that is better than the one that we had,
that is more prosperous the one that we had and
is safer, and articles like that like this from the
New York Times work against that goal, and it just
it just makes you wonder what their motivation is. It's
to me, it's just sickening.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
They should retract, not only should they retax.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Congratulations on the new job, and thank you for the
work that you're doing there and for hopping on with us.
Don't you think, Sean, that this had to be coming
via a leak in some way to the New York Times?
And if that occurred, wouldn't that be criminal based on
the method that it was distributed? And given the story
(48:20):
that's out there about China war plans, what kind of
investigation can we expect or should take place here.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Well, we're still in the early phases of this, so
we're still trying to wrap our mind around how something
like this could happen. But yeah, certainly it's a leak,
in this case a fake one. So whoever, who the
two anonymous defense officials. I mean, you sit there and
you read the article from the Times, and you wonder
if these anonymous defense officials are even real people. I
(48:49):
don't know, But thankfully, in this regard, the leak was
fake and we were able to control the narrative. But
the fact of the matter is that this is a
big building where we do nothing but but plan, plan,
plan for every contingency, and we can't have you know,
anonymous defense officials passing off, you know, what they think
(49:11):
might be classified information to to reporters who then turn
around in public and publish it. Yeah, that's criminal. And
and and I'll tell you there there there have got
to be consequences for that. So we're still trying to
figure out how how we approach this. But yeah, I'll
tell you this is this is on all of our
minds because this isn't this is I mean, there are
(49:34):
politics is behind everything, but what we're dealing with here
are are global national security issues that could affect the
safety of Americans or potentially the safety of Americans. You
can't play with that stuff. So yeah, what I can
tell you we're definitely looking into avenues that that we
can you know, investigate the loaded word. But we've got
to do something.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Speaking to Sean Parnell, it's just an under Secretary of
Defense at the Pentagon form. As you know, Sean was
a friend of ours here on the Clay and Buck
podcast network. And Sean, just give us a sense of
what some of the top agenda items are right now
that Secretary of Defense hag Seth and then you working
at the Pentagon with the rest of the team there,
(50:18):
what are some of the top items that you're trying
to do in terms of reform, in terms of transparency
and just war fighting efficiency.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah. So, I think the top priority for US Buck
and Clay is defense of the homeland. It's been something
that both Democrat and Republican regimes over the last twenty
thirty years have probably not been as strong as they
needed to be on this. But you know, we are very,
very focused on full operational control of the southern border,
(50:46):
and that means the cartels not controlling a single square
mile of anything. That means stopping the flow of Fentanel
into our country. It's a number one cause of death
for people in America between eighteen and forty five. It's
absolutely unacceptable. It needed is OP yesterday. I think we're
really focused as well on you know this this process
(51:07):
will be slower, but a real focus on the Endo
Pacific and and deterring China. What looms large over many
of of these these BILAC calls. Don't want to go
into deep on what the substance of the conversations, of course,
but the rising tide of the CCP is something that
looms large over everything. We recognize. It's something that we're
(51:29):
going to have that we've got to focus on. It's
a challenge for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
The third I think is figuring figuring out a way
to increase burden sharing with our allies. You know, the
truth is our allies need to do more to both
protect their nation and protect protect the world so that
we don't have to. You know, we're always going to
be there, We're always going to step up when we're
going to do our part. But as I mentioned earlier,
(51:56):
the world is changing and evolving rapidly. And if this country,
the world's loan superpower, does not change rapidly and evolve
with it, bad things will happen. And so those I
think buck are the top three priorities for us. I
think operationally but internally to the force, like we're aggressively
assessing standards, trying to get a sense of maybe how
(52:16):
things changed over the years. We've removed all the caustic
and divisive diversity equity and inclusion nonsense from almost all
of our digital platforms, the climate change insanity, all of
the electric tanks crap that's done and gone. At the Pentagon,
we're cutting those programs and reinvesting them into programs that
(52:36):
will make us more capable and lethal. So lots of
things that are happening here at de Penagon in the
first two months. And look, it's going to be pedal
to the metal for us for the next four years
because we really want to we really want to change things,
and we're not going to waste any time doing it.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Talking to Sean Parnell, all of that's incredibly important. I
know there's been a lot of breaking news. I don't
know if you've seen the latest breaking news. Your Pittsburgh
Steelers are currently hosting Aaron Rodgers on a quarterback visit,
so you get an opportunity to step outside of the
world of geopolitics. Right call, wrong call. You've added some
(53:14):
wide receiver weapons. You are a big time Pittsburgh Steeler fan.
For people who don't know, should Aaron Rodgers be the
next quarterback of the terrible Towel Waivers, Well, let.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
Me just tell you this. First of all, I'm excited
as a Steelers fan for DK metcalf I just am
He's a freaking beast. We need a receiver like him.
A number one ride receiver that can be really a
deep threat. And that guy, that guy is extraordinary's extraordinary athlete.
He's gonna fit in well in Pittsburgh. Hey, I'm whatever.
It's Aaron Rodgers. We'll give it a go. I think
(53:45):
he's but I'm game, right, I'm game to try anything.
This is the Steelers I think have struggled at quarterback
since Ben Roethlisberger left the team. I've got an all
of the above strategy on this one here, Clay, Like,
it's Aaron Rodgers, he's a Hall of Fame. Let's give
it a go. See what we can accomplish.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Good stuff, Sean. We appreciate you making the time. Buck.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
We still need to get I'm in DC right now,
but we still need to come hang out with you
guys at some point, Sean down the line. Uh, and
make sure we get to get to tell your story
from over near the Pentagon.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Oh for sure, now that I'm kind of like more settled,
we can definitely make that happen.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
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Get him on a helo, get him out to one.
I'm just saying that's.
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that we've overcome all that is truly remarkable. We got
a lot to dive into here. President Trump this morning
has officially signed papers to end the Department of Education,
and we're going to be reacting to that. Elon Musk,
I think it's really kind of extraordinary. Has become even
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more of a target. I bet you would agree with this,
Buck than even Trump himself. Now, I think they've recognized
that there are no new attacks they can levy on Trump.
I mean, once they call you Hitler and the American
public goes ahead and votes for you, it's like, oh,
I don't know that anything is really registering when it
comes to the attacks on Trump. But they are coming
(01:29):
after Elon with a vengeance. And I was listening this
morning our friend Sean Parnell, formerly of the Clay and
Buck podcast at Network, now high up at the Department
of Defense. Elon was meeting at the Pentagon this morning
and the meeting was designed to try to figure out
ways to save more money through DOGE. It was reported
(01:50):
in the New York Times that the meeting, and on
its face, I just thought this was crazy, Buck, and
I don't know about you. The New York Times reported
that Elon was getting access to how we would respond
to China militarily in the event they attacked, which is
so outlandish and crazy. Like I thought I was being
(02:10):
pranked when I saw the headline. They say that it
is completely untrue. Here is Sean Parnell talking about what
Elon was doing on the Pentagon visit, and I know
Trump and Pete hegset. Defense Secretary have just addressed it
in the last several minutes from inside of the Oval office.
But here's our friend Sean Parnell cut six.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
On the record. That is completely fake. And let me
show you this. This started with this New York Times
headline and they since changed it. But Musk set to
get access to top secret US plan for potential war
with China. This is egregious, This is fake. The New
York Times should retract this story. Five anonymous sources. I've
been on Bilat calls with the Secretary. I see how
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hard he's working to implement the President's agenda and pursue
peace through strength. This type of garbage from the New
York Times undermines that process, undermines our mission. It shouldn't
happen at all. Elon Musk is just coming over here
for a visit.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I mean, buck, this is kind of crazy. First of all,
do you buy that they would be giving a brief
Why would they give Elon Musk a briefing on the
military response in the event we went to war with China.
It's a very strange thing, like what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, I think that whatever it is that they were
reporting whatever their sources said was either just flat out
wrong or misreported because they had the story wrong right,
So it was either they just ran with it and
didn't care, or they exaggerated dramatically whatever it was that
I've been said, Keep in mind, Elon Musk already has
(03:40):
a top secret and compartmented security clearance. He can see
a lot. There seems to be this very weird game,
you know, Tim Wallas. I think recently Clay said that
Elon should go back to South Africa or something like that.
Elon's been an American citizen for twenty years. Interesting, isn't
it how the Democrats all this sudden are the xenophobic
(04:02):
ones when they don't like what someone's doing to their
favorite group of toys, which is all these different federal agencies. Elon, also,
because of the role that he has with SpaceX, is
going to know more about you know, aerodynamics, jet propulsion capabilities,
space technology then basically anybody in the United States government anyway.
(04:25):
I hate to have to break that to anyone, but
if you want to know what's truly cutting edge, you
wouldn't sit down with NASA, you would sit down with Elon.
And I think that Democrats have a really hard even
if they tried to think it through, which they don't
have a very hard time with that, because they like
to believe that, just like in the movie Armagedin, there's
a team of geniuses at NASA that will save us
from the asteroid hitting, which by the way, is not true.
(04:48):
There's a team that could get a great DEI seminar
going for you, but NASA is not what we were
raised to believe it was from the moon landing days.
So they're going after Elon though, collect and I think
it's because of a couple of things. One, they see
him as really the implementur of the Trump agenda right now,
and I think he also worries them in a longer
(05:11):
term sense because he's the richest man in the world,
running some of the most influential companies in the world,
and he's going to be around for a long time,
and his influence isn't one election. His influence could be
much more meaningful than that over the long term, you know,
not just the four years that he may be helping Trump.
And that's why they've really focused their fire pardon expression.
(05:33):
They focus their anger more at Elon than at Trump.
For the last couple of months. I think you're one
hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I would also suggest that partly it's because they have
now recognized that their attacks on Trump just don't work.
And what the data reflected, there's some interesting data from
the election, Buck that shows that one reason Kamala had
so much difficulty defining Trump was every time she tried
(06:00):
to attack him, it actually worked to Trump's favor. Because
once you try to imprison someone for the rest of
their life, and once you try to bankrupt them, and
once you have called them hitler for nearly a decade,
eventually you get to the point where all of those
attacks have no more impact. And I suspect that what
has happened is they looked at Elon and they said, Okay,
(06:25):
he hasn't been attacked in the same way. And it's interesting,
Buck to me, because what they tried to do initially
was say, oh, Elon's really the president of the United States.
There was a calculated attempt to try to divide Trump
and Elon by saying, Trump, who you've tried to tell us,
is this authoritarian Hitlarian dictator is actually not in command
(06:50):
of this regime of this new term. It's actually Elon Musk.
That seems to have fallen flat because that was their
initial way to come after Elon, and now the new
attack is, let's try to hit Elon in the pocket book,
Let's try to destroy him. I mean, this tesla stuff
is crazy, buck. Some of it is just silly, like
(07:11):
there's a video that went viral of a woman pulling
down her pants and like rubbing her butt on a tesla.
But then there's actually scary stuff like the fire bombing.
And I don't know if you saw this video that
has started to go viral. I saw our friend Bill
Malujin shared it this morning of a guy with a
mask on who forces a woman off the side of
the road, gets out and tells her that she supports
(07:35):
Hitler because she's driving a Tesla, and demands that she
immediately sell it. This is strange stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know this if you think about what they had
done with Trump, which was the creation of the ultimate
political boogeyman. There are a lot of people who now
that they do this, let's say, you know, they'll talk
about like stochastic terrorism, right, which is if you just
put the message out enough randomly, someone somewhere will act
(08:02):
on it. This is a very This is a Democrat
concept for whenever they want to blame terrorism on Republicans,
it's stochastic terrorism, right, And that's that's a concept that
they've come up with. It's actually from mathematics. It's essentially,
if you try something enough the variability of a vast
with a vast number set, someone's going to do something crazy.
(08:23):
But what you see with Elon, I think is they
have had to transfer that rage mechanism that they have
built up against Trump. Well, what really is the you know,
Trump's only he's doing it. He's president. He's not running
again like they you know, they tried to kill him twice.
Like it's just he's not going anywhere. He won, and
they have to deal with it now, like they've had
(08:44):
to accept at some level that he is president and
this is the next four years. But I think that
the emotional need they have the same way those little
maniacs who say they're antifa meaning anti fascist, and they
run around all dressed in black. You remember this, I
mean they up at different protests, but it's really all
just one big act of self congratulation and narcissism for
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total losers, the total losers of the left, and there's
lots of them. There's millions of them. Maybe it's only
five or ten percent of the Democrat Party, but Clay,
they need somebody to hate and blame for all their
problems because for a decade they've been trained to do
that with Donald Trump, and it just doesn't hit the
same way anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Not only that, I think there's an element of they
feel like they were betrayed because Elon Musk was their
hero in creating an electric vehicle.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh yeah, and now.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's like the bitter ex girlfriend where you start behaving
in a fundamentally irrational way. Could be the bitter ex
boyfriend for people out there where. It's not only that
Elon is now allied in some way with Trump, it's
that they thought he was their great savior of climate change.
To me, the funniest and most ridiculous aspect of all
(09:55):
this buck is when you're lighting Tesla's on fire, you're
actually just destroying the person who has done the most,
probably to fight climate change, maybe in the entirety of
the world.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And these people in particular, who are the ones lighting
the teslas on fire. I can assure you the overlap
with people that are full of rage at Elon, but
also believe the propaganda about climate as an existential threat.
It's probably close to one hundred percent. Okay, if you're
that upset about Elon, you also believe climate change is
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an existential threat, which means that your willingness or your
need to act out your childish rage against Elon and
the Trump industrial complex is more important to you as
a leftist maniac than saving the planet from the climate
change threat that you believe is going to make us
all go extinct. Gives you a sense of how deranged
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these people are. But the Democrats created a cult, and
the problem is you can't always control the cult members.
Like when you tell the cult members that the world
is going to end and you get to the one
hundredth time you've told them that, yeah, a lot of
people are going to realize, Okay, that was insane. But
some of them are like, no, it's on the one
hundred and first day, and that's who we're lighting Tesla's
on fire. They are not giving this battle up at all.
(11:10):
They are still insane and they are deeply enmeshed in
the Really the MSNBC New York Times DEI Woke cult,
I mean, it's we should come up with a more
specific name for it, but that's what it is. The
Fauci worshiping, Zelensky loving maniacs have all come together. I think,
deep down, Buck, they're actually starting to realize they're the
(11:33):
bad guys. And I think I've been I've been thinking
of saying this for a while. I told I told,
I think that they're worried, Oh my god, what if
we're wrong about everything. I think that that does occur
to some of them.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I think that's why you're seeing them act out
so vociferously and violently. It's because in the back of
their mind, they're like, wait a minute, we've been arguing
we're the good guys, and we're on the right side
of history and Trump's win of the popular vote. And
even if you look at this is the thing that's
crazy to me, Even if you look at what they're doing. Fuck,
(12:07):
Elon is trying to save taxpayers money and they're lighting
tesselas on fire for it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, this is what it's. It would be different
if Elon, if Elon were like the wars are for
bombing Gaza, Yes, I would understand, you know, if Elon
was giving press conversations, He's like, well, a technology is
so much better at bombing gaza. You know, if he
was doing like the good Elon impersonation, thank you, thank you.
I'm working on it. But you know, if he was
actually doing that, I would understand a little more. He's like, hey, guys,
(12:36):
your taxpayer dollars are being lit on fire, and the
money that's being spent by the government is debasing all
of the money that you are earning and all the
money that you are saving. I'm trying to stop this
from straight up destroying the economy so that we have
to have a reset, the likes of which nobody wants
to see. And people are like, light his cars on fire.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
They're trying to treat him like he's a villain, and
all he's doing is trying to make the government spend
money more efficiently. It's one of the craziest bad guy
descriptions that I've ever heard of.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And there's also a there's a I don't know if
you'd say it's full circle, if it's poetic justice, it's
they They called for this fight. They made Elon, They
made Elon who he is. They created him, Yes, they
created him because of a lot of things, a lot
of the madness, a lot of what they've been pushing for,
certainly the Trump era, which is really its own period
(13:33):
of American politics now right. I mean, it's just different
than everything else we've seen. But Clay, they transed one
of his kids, and he has said this, I am
not surmising this. They trans one of his young children,
not even like a you know, seventeen eighteen year old
or whatever, and he said it means war and he
was serious. And that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
That's one. And they tried to shut down his factories
during COVID. And I do think that the combination of
those two who has created a true fixation on destroying
the woke virus in all of its essence. And we
need to talk more about this because I'm just I'm
kind of blown away. It's rare that I'm surprised. I
didn't think we would get to the point where the
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fire bombings of car dealerships will be taking place.
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Speaker 1 (15:29):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We talked
about the attacks on Elon and we're going to continue
to play some of those for you because they are outrageous, outlandish,
and indefensible. But Buck, you hit on something that I
think is really important, which is not only are those
attacks actually without any merit whatsoever, they also are generally
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coming from people who are morons and lack all historic
knowledge and do not have the ability to make very
cogent or tangible arguments among those Joy Reid, who went on,
I think this was with Don Lemon. Remember when the
comment about how brilliant Thomas Jefferson was when he dined
(16:15):
alone one of the great all time quotes. I would
submit to you that Joy Reid and Don Lemon is
maybe the dumbest combination of interviewer and interviewe that you
could have in the political realm. And Joy Reid said,
I think America is going to go to war with
Canada and Canada is going to win. This is real.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
You can't make Canada the fifty first state without going
to war with them, and let me explain how that happened.
How that worked out. The last time we tried to
go to war with Canada, they.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Burned the White House to the ground in eighteen fourteen and.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Won the war.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Canada beat us.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
In the War of eighteen twelve.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
They probably liked their chances against us.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
We're not gonna beat them in a war because we
have never been able to do that. You'd have to
occupy a country that is equivalent of the size of
the United States, in which the top two thirds of
it is uninhabited, frozen forest land that touches the Arctic.
(17:23):
You know how that worked out when the Nazis tried
that with Russia, which is the equivalent of Canada.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
On that part of the world.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
We don't lose. We don't have enough troops to occupy.
They are a country of thirty nine million people who
are who have about as many guns per capita as
we do.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's not possible to be this stupid. She must be kidding, right,
It's not possible that she's this dumb. Actually, I think
I actually be this dumb. I think it's actually that dumb.
I think he's actually got dumb. The fact that she
was paid millions of dollars to explain the world the
people on television at MSNBC tells you all you need
to know about the state of left wing media. That
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was the dumbest rant I maybe have ever heard. It's
actually like the Mona Lisa of Dumbag. We should go
hang up in a museum and people should study it
for centuries to come. It is that dumb. So several
things that stand out here.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
First of all, she manages to have some historical knowledge
and misapply it all the time. The War of eighteen
twelve wasn't with Canada, it was with England. Let's start there,
which owned Canada at the time, and so was at
the time probably the most powerful country in the world,
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because America was still in its infancy, and even though
we had won the Revolutionary War, we had not really
established ourselves as the pre eminent power in the world.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Point one. Point two.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
She tries to make a historical analogy about the difficulty
of conquering a country in a time of when the
weather when it's super cold, and she uses World War
two as an example. I think, although you could also
point to Napoleon. But the problem is those were occupied lands.
Her argument doesn't make any sense because she rightly says Canada.
(19:18):
Almost everyone in Canada lives close to the United States border.
You wouldn't actually have to commit much men or materiel
to conquer the two thirds of Canada where no one lives.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Right Like, that's actually a really easy job.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Third, she manages to treat the fact that they have
more guns at thirty nine million people without recognizing that
they have one tenth of the population of the United
States and hence a fraction of the overall firepower, all
while trying to treat the idea of an American invasion
of Canada as a likely proposition. She manages to string
(19:55):
together buck so much historical inaccuracy while having a sent
hilla of knowledge such that she's actually dumber than if
she knew nothing at all, Which is really kind of
an interesting take, isn't it right? Like she would actually
be better if she had no historic knowledge whatsoever, because
she has so misapplied the historical analogies that she's trying
(20:15):
to apply that they actually render her argument worse than
if she didn't have the knowledge in the first place.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I do worry that we are all and all of
you listening are a little dumber just for having listened
to How dumb that was. I just this is where
they are, though, Buck, they paid her time host MSNBC
until a few minutes ago, primetime host. Everybody millions of
dollars gotta listen to her. Rachel Maddow said, her favorite colleague.
Oh yeah, Buck, this is also important. I think for
(20:43):
everybody out there listening. You and I.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
If people heard our off air conversation, would we would
sound almost identical.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Maybe there's a new curse word pepper day. It is
the same. It just has occasional curses unless there are
children with an earshot. Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And I don't think anybody would say, like, you've got
to hear the outrageous opinion that Clay has or Buck
has that he's actually afraid to say, they don't exist, right.
The the calls that we would have with producers, the
meetings that we would have with advertisers are off air conversations,
by and large. If they all went public, people would say, yeah,
(21:20):
that's kind of what I expect because I listened to
him for three hours every day.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Imagine the idiocy.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
That they protected Joy Read from actually putting on the air.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This is to be fair. To be fair, I mean
your your point is well taken. But one of the
differences between TV and radio. You can hide with TV,
you really can.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You You can hide super dumb people and protect them
from themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Because it's all stage managed. It's it's it's very much
a you know, it's a it's a pro base, it's
a play.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You put on makeup and you look into it. I mean,
it is very different than radio.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You cannot hide for three hours a day on radio,
year in and year out. People know who you are.
This is one of the reasons why the familiarity that
people who listen to our wonderful audience when they come
up and talk to us. Yeah, they know the name
of they know my wife's name, they know my dog's name,
they know where I grew up, they know what movies
are like. I mean, they know more than like anybody
I ever went on a first date with. By times,
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you know, one hundred, you know what I mean, it's yeah,
pretty full.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
They spend it fifteen hours a week with everybody out there,
and so you can't fake or hide. I think when
you hear some of these people like Don Lemon is
a great example. I think you would hear it with
Jake Tapper. I think you would hear it with Anderson Cooper.
I think there are a lot of people that are
not necessarily that good at what they do.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I think Rachel Maddow is actually smart, She's just a
really kind of committed liar, which you can argue is
even scarier. But when they lack the protection of a staff,
and when they lack the protection of a surrounding community
to kind of protect them from themselves, many of these
TV people expose themselves and frankly buck a lot of
journalists on social media right when they lack editors, when
(23:03):
they're outside the framework of their job. Social media just
shines a light on who you really are, and that
could be good or bad. But for many people, I
think in the realm of current events, politics, media, news, television, sports,
who are in the opinion business, you're actually recognizing they
(23:23):
don't do a lot of homework and they're not actually
that smart outside of the parameters of the show that
they have. And I think this is what happens with
Joy Reid. I also think it's why audiences don't connect
with them outside of television because to your point, Buck,
they're not honest and they're not that authentic, and that
also gets exposed.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I hadn't heard that sound bite until we played
it live on the radio. So you pull that one
off the sheet, and I'm actually in shock. That was amazing.
I sent it into It was the craziest most like
over confident but ignorant historical rent I've ever heard. It
was amazing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
The little bit of historical knowledge that she had actually
managed to completely invalidate her argument, such that she would
have been far better off to have known nothing about
the history that she was trying to cite.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
She misapplied all of it. And they but the initial
premise too. We're obviously not going to war with correct correct,
so dumb to even to even entertain this. No one
in the US military would would would follow an order
to start bombing Ottawa. Okay, we love it. Made you
think we're gonna take windsor from Detroit. It's not gonna happen,
(24:33):
you know, I know that people think all but they'll do,
you know, everything Trump says, it will just happen. No,
and Trump's not gonna say it. And you know.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The whole thing is, we know Pete except pretty well,
we know Sean Parnell pretty well.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
They're not invading Canada. Yeah, I'm sorry. Pete is not
pouring over plans to drop nukes on Saskatchewan right now.
I promise you we know Pete very well for a
long time. That is not happening.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I also think you've talked about this before, not taking
trumpet Really, he finds something that he thinks is fun funny,
justin Trudeau as the governor of Canada, and he exploits
it and manipulates the media to cover it such that
it turns into an actual conversation point. And what it
does is disrupt the overall direction and he ends up
(25:20):
somewhere nowhere near where he's arguing, and it's a win.
But it's such a clear negotiation tactic. I don't understand how,
a decade after Trump has been in politics, every single
thing to a large extent, is still taken so literally
by so many people who cover politics.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, I think that's why he in party keeps doing it,
because he enjoys getting a rise out of them, and
it also off balances them, Like I know this from
you know, I play a fair amount of like recreational
you know, country club tennis. I don't belong to a
country club, but you know that's what people will call it.
And you know there's like there's like head games you
can do with people, and some people get really into
(25:58):
this stuff. You know, you you leave your bag on
one side of the court so that it's like you've
already picked your side, even though you know there's like
little things. Trump loves that stuff. When it comes to
the media, man, he loves when the second they say
you can't say it kind of remind me of somebody else,
I know, the second they say, mister Clay Travis, you
can't say that, He's like, oh yeah, and he just
(26:20):
is gonna pound that point day in and day out
until they beg for mercy.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yes, I definitely enjoy doing things that people say I
can't do.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I'm not gonna lie.
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And the number one way, the number one way to
end if you dislike something that I'm doing is not
to complain about it. Which, yeah, there's probably all sorts
of things going on there. But we come back, well,
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Speaker 2 (27:52):
We've got a lot going on the tour against Elon
from the a lunatic left continues on You've got AOC
out there now, and you know, we talked to Ryan
Gardusky about this yesterday.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
That was my first sense, and I said it on
the show after the election, that they're going to try
to build AOC up into a national level democrat figure,
a leadership figure, just because of her profile. She's got
the right demographic appeal for them. I mean, there's a
lot of stuff that comes together for them that would
make me think that they would do it. The problem
(28:27):
is she's a socialist. It's not very bright. But you know,
then again, they made Joe Biden president somehow, so they
can figure out a lot of things, right. But thing
you've started to hear more of is they are using
Elon as a pivot to get into the class warfare thing.
So it's like, yeah, okay, inflation is bad, the price
(28:49):
of eggs coming down under Trump, we all know, but
was too high gas, all these things, But what they
really care about is the millionaires and billionaires, the old
Bernie Sanders routine and oligacky. Here's Bernie Sanders with the
usual stuff, saying that they will not accept oligarchy, played
(29:10):
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Today.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
We are here to say, very loudly and billy, no,
we will not accept an oligarchic form of society wear
a handful of billionaires run the government. No, we will
not accept an authoritarian form of society with a president
(29:36):
who undermines the Constitution every day and is working aggressively
to take away our freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Okay, yeah, whatever, Okay. To the point here though, oligauky,
he's talking to oligarchy again. And the thing that I
find so interesting is they're clearly trying to create a
handoff Bernie Sewell, they tried this with Biden. They know
that they're not gonna get their hand caught in that
bear trap again, right ther or mouse trap or whatever.
Bear trap with a hand would be really tough, but
(30:09):
they they aren't gonna do that again. I think they
realize he is too. He's in his eighties already, so
he's not running for four years eighty three, he's not
running it almost ninety Okay, fine, AOC though is supposed
to be the beneficiary. It's like Bernie is the elder
statesman and the quote intellectual socialist AOC is the next gen.
They're on this tour. But Batsia Hunger Sargan, who had
(30:31):
that great clip on the Bill Marshaw recently about how
happy we all are that Trump is doing what he's
doing and how great things are the Trump voters have
no regrets, nothing but high fives all around. She pointed
out that this whole oligarch thing and the whole Wall
Street for Republican it's all crap, it's all lies. This
is eighteen listen to listener dismantled this well done.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
There is such an irony to Democrats talking about oligarchy because,
of course, for every one billionaire that backed President Trump
Kamala Harris head two nine of the ten richest counties
in America are represented by Democrats. Sixty five percent of
Americans making over five hundred thousand dollars a year today
(31:15):
are Democrats. Seventy five percent of hedge fund managers who
make political donations donate to Democrats, and ninety five percent
of political donations from the top three management consulting firms
go to Democrats. Meanwhile, President Trump absolutely crushed with Americans
who make under one hundred thousand dollars a year. The
Democrats are the party of the wealthy, and Donald Trump
(31:39):
is representing the working class because he simply lifted the
pro worker elements of the Democrats agenda when they abandon
the working class to cater to their rich base.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
This is all performance art.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Is that so well doneham Clay? Those stats? I mean,
I am familiar with some of that before. But if
you look at where the money, big, you know, big
hedge funds money goes to Democrats, government bureaucracy, feeder buroxycy
money all go all goes to Democrats. McKenzie and Bain
and these you know, supposedly elite management consultant firms. Don't
even get me started on what they really do. Democrats,
(32:17):
the establishment elites are overwhelmingly Democrats. Now they're trying to
pivot into the oligaukey And we care about the working class,
they don't care. They don't give a you know what
about the working class.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I think social media has exposed how little depth there
is behind these talking points. To your point, Kamala spent
a billion and a half dollars and had far more
wealthy people supporting her in the election of twenty twenty
four than supported Trump. I was just out in San Francisco, Buck,
(32:51):
Marin County, right across.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
The Golden Gate. Pretty colonists, unfortunately, but gorgeous. That's where
I'm going to unbelievably beautiful. I have a friend from
law school who lives in Marin County, and we went out,
had the kids. We went out and got something to eat,
and after I ate dinner there, I went back.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I'm a data nerd. I just wanted to know because
she said, yeah, everybody around here is a diehard supporter
of Kamala Harris. And she said, every now and then
I'll see like a Trump bumper sticker, and people are
You're gonna love this story, Buck, people are like a ghast.
So we were out for dinner, getting pizza. I had
(33:34):
my son, she had a couple of her daughters, and
one of her daughter's friends was there and we were
kind of talking and everything else, and she said, oh, yeah,
you know mister Clay, he's a big Trump supporter. And
her daughter is in sixth grade, and her daughter's friend
was also in sixth grade. But the daughter's friend looked
at me like she thought I was from another planet.
(33:58):
I don't think she had ever in her life, this
little girl who was living in Marin County, ever seen
someone who was a Trump supporter. And my seventeen year
old when we got in the car to head back
to the hotel, he said, Dad, that girl was terrified
when she found out that you voted for Donald Trump
(34:20):
and were a big Trump supporter. And when you said
to her, he's actually a really nice guy. I told
her about the milkshake story, and I was like, he's
a good grandpa. It was as if I were telling
her that I was from Mars. And I went and
looked at the data. Marin County voted ninety to ten
(34:41):
for Kamala Harris, ninety to ten.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean, it's not just that these people are in cults.
It's that they really have bought into the idea that
we're evil people. Look, we put on Joy Reid. I
don't think Joy reads evil. I think she's a moron.
They really think.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That we are likes in a generous mood today.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, I mean they think that we're Nazi stormtroopers and
and I look, I mean it really like I thought
about this a lot when I got back to the hotel,
because these are highly educated people. How can they be
so insular that they are not familiar even with the
arguments that are being made. And I thought bucked this
(35:25):
tied end because do you know where some of these
Teesla dealerships that are now getting firebombed are Bay Area, right,
And a lot of people there feel somehow as if Twitter,
which was certainly based in the Bay Area, and we've
talked about this. San Francisco is one of the most
beautiful cities in the world, that may be the most beautiful,
truly natural geographic city in all of America, right, just yeah,
(35:47):
And they have such incredible wealth there. I think it's
the wealthiest city in America on a per capita basis.
Yet their minds are so closed that they can't even
comprehend some of the arguments. And they really have the
idea that we're all a bunch of Nazi stormtroopers if
we vote for Trump. And it really is just kind
of staggering, because again, I disagree with a lot of
(36:09):
Democrat voters, but I'm not trying.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
To argue that they are truly evil. Well, you made
a point in the last hour that I think is
worth hitting again. And expanding on a little bit, and
that is that Elon is a trader to his class.
And what's really interesting is that who is the original
(36:32):
great class trader in our lifetime in politics? Donald Trump? Yes,
of course he's not supposed to. He's not supposed to
care about the border. He's not supposed to. You know,
Donald Trump was the billionaire that gets along with and
likes the construction workers and wants them to be able
(36:52):
to live in a nice house and have a nice
wife and a nice family and everything. They that is
a huge problem for the elites and the Donald and
also that Donald Trump didn't have the respect for them,
meaning the New York Times. You know, you show up
that Donald Trump, you say, I went to Harvard. He's like,
who cares? Am I supposed to care? Why am I
supposed to? How'd you get into Harvard? Who cares? You know?
He he sees through a lot of the BS. Elon
(37:16):
is a different kind of trader to his class in
their mind, which is the Silicon Valley. You want to
talk about oligarchs, the Silicon Valley, ultra wealthy, ultra high
IQ global industry dominating figure. They have all I mean,
look at Google, and look at Facebook, and look at you. No,
(37:36):
I know Facebook started to play the game a little bit,
but you look at all. Silicon Valley has been essentially
the greatest wealth creation and concentration of wealth creation maybe
in human history if you did it on like a
square mile basis, And it has unfortunately filled the country
with horrible ideas. It has filled the United States with
(37:58):
the most left wing because of their into social media,
because of the billions of dollars they've spent on politics
in different election cycles going back for decades now. And
Elon is the first one who has really broken from that,
who's at the absolute top. I mean, he is like
the apex of the pyramid Clay and goes, Yeah, that
stuff that you guys have been promoted, that's insane. Yeah,
(38:19):
you're wrong. It's destroying this country. That allowed you to
build Facebook, that allowed you to build Google, that allowed
for that massive wealth creation. So he's kind of the
the Trump of the Bay Area in a sense. Right.
Trump did it for the New York Times and Wall
Street and those elites. Elon has thumbed his nose at
the West Coast Silicon Valley royalty. That's I think really
(38:42):
well said for East versus West Coast and the symbiosis
between the two. I would also point out really a
lot of what we're talking about is builders versus bureaucrats,
people who create something that didn't exist otherwise. Trump built buildings,
Elon has built companies versus the people who really just
(39:02):
kind of get involved in what has already been built
and use it as their method to continue to make
a living. What do most people in DC build other
than a continued tax on the people who actually build,
and there's a frustration. I think that is what unites
Musk and Trump on some level with a lot of
(39:24):
the people in middle management that they feel like don't
actually create. Trump gets along well with construction workers.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Why would that be because he understands that they actually
create things with their hands. They actually build the buildings
that he's trying to put together.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I think that without them, you don't have Trump Tower.
That's why he likes Trump Tower. So thank you for
the guy's building. That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
And Elon has built his car almost exclusively that he
sells in the United States in the United States, and uniquely,
I think respects the craftsmanship for rockets or ships or
whatever else. The building and a lot of what Democrats
represent now is actually the bureaucrats that effectively are taxes
(40:07):
leeches on the builders. And that disconnect is what's motivating
a lot of the conflict that's going on right now
in the country and why I think Elon is the
new target in combination with the fact that they thought
he was their guy and now they're having to look
around and say, wait a minute, the guy who's done
the most to fight climate change is actually.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
A buddy with Trump.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, yeah, and they actually connect, and it's a logical
choice in many ways for what Elon has done.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
And isn't it also interesting, Clay that you see a
pattern a trend here. Jd Vance. I mean I read
Hillbilly Elogy like so many others did over a decade
ago when it came out. Jd. Vance is an incredible
American success story. Yeah, that should be inspiring to everybody
of any background, race, creed, or color to grow. I mean,
(40:59):
few things are harder on a young person than having
a broken family and addict mother. He's now the Vice
President of the United States and became a multimillionaire on
his own and served in the Marine Corps before that. Okay, yep.
The left completely negates all that in their mind because
he is the vice president Donald Trump. Elon Musk. Some
guys show they try to say that he's I've read
(41:21):
Elon's biography. I know you have two He is not
a rich kid, meaning like he didn't grow up a
rich kid. Yeah, his parent's dad had a little bit
of money, but it wasn't he showed up here and
was sleeping on the floor and kind of almost like
a weirdo. So devoted to his career. I mean, he
was absolutely all in and has created multiple companies, employing
(41:42):
hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars of
wealth creation over the life of those companies. It's incredible
what he's done. And they hate him. They hate him,
And then you look at who the Democrats hold up,
Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a leech. He's a leech.
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Most politicians who are professional politicians are leeches. That's the
job now, you said earlier, and I think it's true.
We need more people who have success in life and
then decide to give back to the country.
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Huge game change. The Trump Elon Yeah, the Trump Elon axis.
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the game than anybody else? Like you got to help?
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Speaker 2 (44:27):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we're talking about
the attacks on Elon and also some of what Trump
said from the oval this morning, well afternoon morning, was
pretty close to being one or the other. And it's
really interesting to see how Trump is not backing down
at all. And one thing Clay that that really did
come across substantially is that Trump recognizes when these judges
(44:55):
and these Democrats oppose things like getting getting elite member.
These are It's not that he's taking Americans who have
joined a gang and just sent them to some foreign
prison somewhere. These are non Americans. They are not supposed
to be in the country in the first place. They're
illegal aliens who are also part of a violent gang
that is a designated terrorist organization. They are being sent
(45:19):
out of the country and Democrats are going to the
mat to make sure they have maximum due process rights.
The same Democrats and I mean the same individuals in
some cases in the media and the Democrat Party who
had no problem with nonviolent j six Americans rotting away
in a DC gulag for a year without trial, are
(45:39):
now really concerned about trend of IRAGUA members. But let's
actually get an update here on the Elon story that
was running on the New York Times from Under Secretary
of Defense Sean Parnell, who joins us for the first
time on the program since he has taken that senior
Pentagon role. I feel like I should say, Sean, thank
(46:01):
you for being with us and tell us, tell us
what you can about what happened with the New York
Times saying Elam was going to get all the China
war plans.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
It was completely fake. And you want to know what else?
We had a heads up from the New York Times reporter.
I should say there's five reporters on it, but by
one of the reporters the night before that they were
planning to write something like that and this was the
angle that they were going to take. And we told
them last night that it's not true, Like what are
you doing? That's not true? This is completely fake. Yet
(46:33):
they ran with the story anyway. And what's crazy to me,
Buck is that like this Secretary Secretary Hegset has been
working so hard to push peace through strength, to build
up our force to work to implement the President's agenda.
I've been on the bilateral calls with foreign leaders. I've
(46:56):
heard him. I've heard him make the case for peace
through strength. But articles like this that Elon Musk is
going to come to the Pentagon and get a super
secret squirrel briefing on war plans with potential China, not
only does it undermine the Secretary's uh, you know what
his goals and ambitions are here, which I think is
part of the point. It also is is it's dangerous.
(47:19):
It's dangerous because many of us took this job. Buck,
and I know I speak for the Secretary too, because
we've got a lot of kids our job. I think
we've got four years to get this done. You know,
as well as iView Buck. The operating environment, the threat
environment globally is changing rapidly. We've got to change and
evolve our force to meet it. But we we've got
(47:40):
kids that we've got to make sure that they inherit
a world that is better than the one that we had,
that is more prosperous the one that we had and
is safer, and articles like that like this from the
New York Times work against that goal, and it just
it just makes you wonder what their motivation is. It's
to me, it's just sickening.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
They should retract, not only should they retax.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Congratulations on the new job, and thank you for the
work that you're doing there and for hopping on with us.
Don't you think, Sean, that this had to be coming
via a leak in some way to the New York Times?
And if that occurred, wouldn't that be criminal based on
the method that it was distributed? And given the story
(48:20):
that's out there about China war plans, what kind of
investigation can we expect or should take place here.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
Well, we're still in the early phases of this, so
we're still trying to wrap our mind around how something
like this could happen. But yeah, certainly it's a leak,
in this case a fake one. So whoever, who the
two anonymous defense officials. I mean, you sit there and
you read the article from the Times, and you wonder
if these anonymous defense officials are even real people. I
(48:49):
don't know, But thankfully, in this regard, the leak was
fake and we were able to control the narrative. But
the fact of the matter is that this is a
big building where we do nothing but but plan, plan,
plan for every contingency, and we can't have you know,
anonymous defense officials passing off, you know, what they think
(49:11):
might be classified information to to reporters who then turn
around in public and publish it. Yeah, that's criminal. And
and and I'll tell you there there there have got
to be consequences for that. So we're still trying to
figure out how how we approach this. But yeah, I'll
tell you this is this is on all of our
minds because this isn't this is I mean, there are
(49:34):
politics is behind everything, but what we're dealing with here
are are global national security issues that could affect the
safety of Americans or potentially the safety of Americans. You
can't play with that stuff. So yeah, what I can
tell you we're definitely looking into avenues that that we
can you know, investigate the loaded word. But we've got
to do something.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Speaking to Sean Parnell, it's just an under Secretary of
Defense at the Pentagon form. As you know, Sean was
a friend of ours here on the Clay and Buck
podcast network. And Sean, just give us a sense of
what some of the top agenda items are right now
that Secretary of Defense hag Seth and then you working
at the Pentagon with the rest of the team there,
(50:18):
what are some of the top items that you're trying
to do in terms of reform, in terms of transparency
and just war fighting efficiency.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah. So, I think the top priority for US Buck
and Clay is defense of the homeland. It's been something
that both Democrat and Republican regimes over the last twenty
thirty years have probably not been as strong as they
needed to be on this. But you know, we are very,
very focused on full operational control of the southern border,
(50:46):
and that means the cartels not controlling a single square
mile of anything. That means stopping the flow of Fentanel
into our country. It's a number one cause of death
for people in America between eighteen and forty five. It's
absolutely unacceptable. It needed is OP yesterday. I think we're
really focused as well on you know this this process
(51:07):
will be slower, but a real focus on the Endo
Pacific and and deterring China. What looms large over many
of of these these BILAC calls. Don't want to go
into deep on what the substance of the conversations, of course,
but the rising tide of the CCP is something that
looms large over everything. We recognize. It's something that we're
(51:29):
going to have that we've got to focus on. It's
a challenge for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
The third I think is figuring figuring out a way
to increase burden sharing with our allies. You know, the
truth is our allies need to do more to both
protect their nation and protect protect the world so that
we don't have to. You know, we're always going to
be there, We're always going to step up when we're
going to do our part. But as I mentioned earlier,
(51:56):
the world is changing and evolving rapidly. And if this country,
the world's loan superpower, does not change rapidly and evolve
with it, bad things will happen. And so those I
think buck are the top three priorities for us. I
think operationally but internally to the force, like we're aggressively
assessing standards, trying to get a sense of maybe how
(52:16):
things changed over the years. We've removed all the caustic
and divisive diversity equity and inclusion nonsense from almost all
of our digital platforms, the climate change insanity, all of
the electric tanks crap that's done and gone. At the Pentagon,
we're cutting those programs and reinvesting them into programs that
(52:36):
will make us more capable and lethal. So lots of
things that are happening here at de Penagon in the
first two months. And look, it's going to be pedal
to the metal for us for the next four years
because we really want to we really want to change things,
and we're not going to waste any time doing it.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Talking to Sean Parnell, all of that's incredibly important. I
know there's been a lot of breaking news. I don't
know if you've seen the latest breaking news. Your Pittsburgh
Steelers are currently hosting Aaron Rodgers on a quarterback visit,
so you get an opportunity to step outside of the
world of geopolitics. Right call, wrong call. You've added some
(53:14):
wide receiver weapons. You are a big time Pittsburgh Steeler fan.
For people who don't know, should Aaron Rodgers be the
next quarterback of the terrible Towel Waivers, Well, let.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
Me just tell you this. First of all, I'm excited
as a Steelers fan for DK metcalf I just am
He's a freaking beast. We need a receiver like him.
A number one ride receiver that can be really a
deep threat. And that guy, that guy is extraordinary's extraordinary athlete.
He's gonna fit in well in Pittsburgh. Hey, I'm whatever.
It's Aaron Rodgers. We'll give it a go. I think
(53:45):
he's but I'm game, right, I'm game to try anything.
This is the Steelers I think have struggled at quarterback
since Ben Roethlisberger left the team. I've got an all
of the above strategy on this one here, Clay, Like,
it's Aaron Rodgers, he's a Hall of Fame. Let's give
it a go. See what we can accomplish.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Good stuff, Sean. We appreciate you making the time. Buck.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
We still need to get I'm in DC right now,
but we still need to come hang out with you
guys at some point, Sean down the line. Uh, and
make sure we get to get to tell your story
from over near the Pentagon.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Oh for sure, now that I'm kind of like more settled,
we can definitely make that happen.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
One hundred percent fantastic. Thank you so much, Sean. Maybe
I don't know if Play says he's never been on
an aircraft carry you know what I mean. Maybe we've
got to do some journals. That would be pretty cool.
Get him on a helo, get him out to one.
I'm just saying that's.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
A good idea. We might be able to make that
happen too.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Sounds awesome. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
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of the Steelers, you can't really get your picks in
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do we have a tally yet to see how I did,
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