March 25, 2025 • 36 mins
In the second hour of today's show, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton welcomed Dr. Laura Schlesinger, a relationship expert, to discuss marriage, life, and relationships. They emphasized the importance of family and parental relationships in addressing broader societal issues. Dr. Laura shared her insights on maintaining a healthy marriage, especially after having children, and the significance of physical affection and cuteness in a relationship. The conversation then shifted to the topic of illegal immigration and border security. They played a clip of Tom Holman discussing the Trump administration's efforts to secure the border and the significant reduction in illegal border crossings. Clay and Buck highlighted the challenges and political opposition faced in addressing illegal immigration and the importance of prioritizing public safety and national security. The hour concluded with a discussion on the judiciary's role in immigration policy and the political implications of opposing the Trump administration's efforts. They also touched on the importance of having strong family values and the impact of social media and smartphones on children's development. Dr. Laura provided valuable advice on parenting and the need for families to spend quality time together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Play and Buck kicks off right now.
Just remind her we are going to be joined for
the first time here on Clay and Buck by doctor
Laura Slessinger in about half an hour, so we're gonna
ask her about marriage, life and relationships. I know it's
a little bit of a digression from our usual fare
of Maga and Trump and saving the country and defeating
(00:20):
the communists, But we are a multi faceted.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Show here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We're a multi multi tier, multifaceted and we thought it'd
be fun to talk a little about this because I
actually think that so much of what we see in
this country that as conservatives we have to address from
the perspective of politics and policy, a lot of things
actually boil down to parental relationships, the family. You're talking
about education, you're talking about the future of this country.
(00:48):
You got to get these other things right. And I
think that important voices when it comes to marriage and
kids and child rearing and the importance of family.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We need more of that these days. We need more
of those.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Discussions, I think, alongside tackling the debt and defeating the
forces of jihadism in the Middle East and all this
other stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So we we're going to get into that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I did want to speaking of the news though, I
did want to update on where things stand.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
With the border and how.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The efforts of the Trump administration to rein in illegal
immigration are going in this moment. First off, as we know,
let's just let Tom Holman, this is cut twenty. Let's
let him say it. The numbers at the border continuing
to show one how serious Trump and his team are
about border security and two what a disaster intentionally the
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Biden border was. Is Tom Holman play twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Quick team President Trump's promise. President Trump has promised we're
going to secure the border, which we've done to a
large extent. We're still working on it, but we're at
ninety six percent decline on the border. Any promise we're
going to prioritize public threats and that's just security threats,
and will go. It's in this country, and that's what
we're doing. Austin I said that seat, there's story state,
and we're going to come and despite their sanctory status,
(02:09):
we're going to bring agents. Sara, We're gonna take these
worse of the worst off the street.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Nine Reduction play in illegal border crossings, which is an
astonishing figure. Now, of course they have begun to push
back on what's gone on with these well, they've been
pushing back on the trend to Arragua expulsions from this country.
And this this was just here's an example of of
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what we face here. People saying things like the expulsions
of trend to Arragua are so bad that quote the
Nazis got better treatment under the Alien Enemy Act.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
This has cut eighteen play it.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
There were planeloads of people, there were no procedures in
place to notify people. Nazis got better treatment under the
Alien Enemy Act, and has happened here where the proclamation
require the promulgation of regulations and they had hearing boards
before people were removed. And yet here there's nothing in
there about hearing boards. There's no regulations, and nothing was
(03:13):
adopted by the agency officials that were administering this. People
weren't given notice, they weren't told where they were going.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
District Coard Gear.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Hasn't called in to question the constitutionality of the Alien
Enemies Act. It's been upheld. As you said, it's a
part of the war power. So that's not the question here.
The question is whether the implementation of this proclamation without
any process to determine whether people qualify under it.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Clay, I think the Democrats once again are showing that
they will they will oppose the administration even if it
means they're going to do more damage to themselves politically.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
What do you think so the border is solved, I
mean we talked for four the legal entry is solved.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
A deportation is we're in the very first inning. We're
the first pitches of the first inning on that.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Which we said would be way more complicated. But the
fact that illegal crossings have collapsed. I think that some
people are self deporting because they're aware that the open
border policy does not mean that they're going to become
citizens overnight, which some of them I think came to expect.
What is buck If we were giving Trump advice, which
(04:25):
sometimes we do, if we were giving him advice on
something he could come out in favor of what is
the most popular public thing that he could decide to
make an issue that Democrats would reflexively oppose.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Men and women's.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Sports is actually a great test case because the idea
that you could get the Democrat party to essentially go
to war and make it a dogma that men pretending
to be women should be able to compete in women's sports.
I never would have believed was possible. What is something that,
first of all, it's hard to find things that like
(05:00):
eighty or ninety percent of Americans agree on. What is
something that Trump could add to his roster of common
sense endorsements that Democrats would then fill obligated to right?
I mean, they got think about this buck. We got
them opposed to electric vehicles now like yes, electric vehicles
on fire.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
We've shown that they don't want to stop waste, fraud,
and abuse of government spending. They don't want to expel
dangerous criminal alien illegals from this country who are preying
on their communities and have no right to be in
the United States in the first place. They don't want
to stop the entry of illegals from all over the
(05:42):
world and the mass exploitation of the American people that
occurs as a result of that. They don't want to
stop the Russia Ukraine War. You start to go down
this list and you wonder, at what point do they
realize that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
They're just kind of the bad guys in all this.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I know that's a simplest way of putting it, but
they really are on the wrong side of issue after issue.
And I'll tell you this this Judge Patricia Millet, who
was saying that Nazis got better treatment under the Alien
Enemy Act, I assure you. I assure you right now.
The same people who are saying, oh, we want trend
to Arragua. Remember, these are illegals supposed to be in
(06:19):
the country. They're deportable just by virtue of their status.
They're being prioritized because they're illegals who are hurting people
in America. Okay, that's why they're at the front of
the line. That's why they got sent. But Clay went
with they're saying it's about process. I assure you, just
like mark this down. The next time around, if there
is process, they'll be saying.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
No, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be kicking these illegals out.
They don't want them to leave.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
They lie to you about what they really want, just
like they lie to you about how they want a
secure border. They don't they lie to you about how
they want to expel these illegal criminals from trend to Aragua.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, they don't.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I don't know why they want to do everything that's
bad for the country, but it seems quite clear that
they do that. That really is the operating you know,
Oh they care about due process? Did they care about
due process for j six individuals held in solitary confinement
under the insane, the psychotic theory that they were going
to have another insurrection if they were let out. That's insane,
that's a lunatic position. They didn't care about due process.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Then they got used to the idea that Trump reflexively
opposition to him was the route to political power. And
what I really think they have not managed to understand
is Trump two point zero is a far more sophisticated, dynamic,
(07:41):
incredibly well executed in general team than Trump one point zero.
And I'll just go I think this is significant. How
many leaks have come out that the Trump team would
not want to have come out in the first two
months that he's been in office. Remember it was like
(08:02):
every day there was a new negative story on the
Washington Post or the New York Times about internal deliberations
trying to embarrass the Trump team. How much stuff has
come out that has been leaked internally that they would
want to not be out.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I can't even hardly think of anything, Clay.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I think that what we saw in the first Trump
administration was Trump brought in people who were playing their
own version of Game of Thrones, trying to push each
other out of Trump's orbit because they realized how much
power and influence there was if you were close to
the hand of the king. This time around, there's none
of that nonsense going on. You can tell this team
(08:40):
is working as a team. And I can tell you
from knowing these people. You know, whether it's Cash as
FBI director, or Dan Bongino as deputy director, or Pete
hegsath At at Pentagon, I mean, go go to on
the list. These guys know each other, They like each other,
They Alsie and the whole crew. They respect each other,
and they're working toward the same end. This isn't the
(09:00):
petty kremlinology nonsense that we saw term one.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
I think that is true. I think also Trump has
learned who he can trust, somebody who deserves a lot
of attention. We've had Stephen Miller on a bunch. She
doesn't even talk to the media anywhere. How about Susie Wiles,
Chief of staff ran a killer campaign in twenty twenty
four for Trump has been almost completely under the radar.
(09:28):
I don't even remember seeing her do an interview, just
quietly managing everything. I think Steven Miller is, as you
guys know, we've had him on the show for years,
and intellectual heavyweight. Whatever you think of JD. Vance and
Pete Hegseth, both very smart guys, very accomplished guys. Tulsea
(09:49):
and RFGA were Democrats until a few years ago, and
now they've just joined the common sense revolution. I think
the challenge that Democrats have from a boxing perspective is
they can't really get a glove on Trump because even
the things you're talking about, Buck Day. I saw a
poll this morning. Sixty six percent of Americans believe that
the trend Iiragua gang members should be deported. So the
(10:14):
judge is telling him, hey, you got to you got
to turn the plane around and bring all these violent
predators back into our country. In the American public is saying, no,
I saw a funny joke. It's circulating from a bunch
of different people have made it that a federal District
court judge has ruled that Jeffrey Goldberg.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Has to be added back to the group chat.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Which is kind of a funny take on what has
emerged as the primary opposition to Trump two point zero,
which is the judiciary.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well it also you see with this judiciary is that
they were willing under Biden, these same judges to allow
the just clear and endless violations of law and the
dereliction of duty from the Biden execus necative branch, specifically
at the border. But a lot of places and people
(11:05):
are i think Clay fed.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Up with Oh, so, the rules only mean that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
We can't fix the country. The rules won't help save
the country, you know, so to speak. But the rules
mean we can't fix anything, you know, the rules only
go against the interest of America somehow right now. And
you'd say, well, a perfect example this is with ilegal immigration.
These people are all deportable, all legals are deportable under
the law, and yet they make it impossible to deport them.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
How is that? How is that reasonable? Irrational? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
They effectively use the process as a weapon against the purpose.
And that's what you see with these judges. They'll do
it over and over again. But that's what you see
with the Democrats as well, remember the whole border wide
open policy under Biden was based on false asylum claims. Well, Clay,
that's really easy. What they do is they just say, Oh,
(11:56):
we're going to pretend that we're total morons and that
we believe anybody who shows up for any reason at
the border and says I have a credible fear of
violence in my country.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's all you had to say.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, if that's the case, what's the point of having
any rules or laws about.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
This in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, So they ignore the law, and they subvert the
law when it's to their purpose, which is I think
fundamentally undermining this country.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And then they turn around and say, I thought you
had respect for the constitution.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We're saying, can we stop fraudulent waight as, fraudulent spending
and wasteful spending. Can we stop people from entering the
country illegal illegally? Here this you know what, I don't
have time for this right now, but I wanted to
get to Kathy Hockel, who is saying New York State
will not help the federal government with its law enforcement
efforts when it comes to illegal immigration. I'm sorry, does
Kathy hockl that she just doesn't care about federal law
(12:45):
and doesn't care about federal law on no other part
of the law would you have state law enforcement told
stand down, don't help your federal counterparts.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
This is also where they're going to lose. I think
she probably knows that she's going to lose, to the
extent that she's smart enough to understand the law. The
president sets immigration policy, the states have to follow. We
had these battles. Unfortunately, remember when Governor Abbott in Texas
was trying to stop the illegal crossings and the Biden
administration said, hey, you aren't allowed to protect Texas. I
(13:16):
get to make the decisions, and a lot of courts
lined up behind Biden because the president gets to decide
federal policy as it as it deals with immigration and
border control.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
She's going to lose, but.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Again, a lot of this is just it's going to
take months for the courts to tell her that she's
going to lose.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm not sure she's going to lose. I'm I think
she's going to lose, which it depends on what she
because you can't have federal law enforcement can of commandeer
state law enforcement to federal law purposes. So it's a
it has to be a choice by the governor to assist.
So the point I'm making is she's choosing not to assist,
which shows you she has no respect for the federal law.
(13:54):
Now to your point on things like not giving DMV
data to the Feds and things like, I think that
they cross the line to obstruction, and that's where she
may lose in court. But it's gonna be picking and
choosing here and there what she has to do.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
En she's up for reelection next year, she is making
the calculated decision that being contra Trump is going to
help her in the Democrat primary and then also in
the general election. That's I mean, that's the calculus. And
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in West Palm Beach, Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
What you got for us, Hi, guys.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
I know that you guys believe there's no such thing
as coincidence, and also that the Democrats are very crafty
in what they do. The more I've been reading in
the newspapers online, whatever may be, all this preoccupation now
with two process, free speech, et cetera, I'm of the
view that all these recent cases are the prelude to
(16:34):
the big finale, which is, before we can deport all
of the other illegal the other ten million, we're going
to need to have ten million trials because everybody will
be viewed as entitled to due process. Wanted to get
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Look.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I think that there's zero doubt that the deportation process
is going to be incredibly challenging, and they are trying
to put up as many roadblocks as possible, and that
there is no single president who can solve the issue.
And I mean you need multiple terms. We talked about
this beforehand. I said it was going to be very
hard to deport a huge percentage of people, and that's
(17:13):
proving true. So I think this is why you have
to stack multiple administrations together in order to fix this problem.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, you have to start to turn this around. It's
a bit like dealing with the debt. Trump's not going
to make the debt disappear. It's not going to happen.
But if you can make it start to go in
the other direction, then there's hope because you can continue
that and the American people can vote for that continuation.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Same thing with deportations.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You can continue it and it can become a manageable
problem instead of what it is or has been clay,
which is totally unmanageable.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Totally. We're gonna come back. We'll talk with doctor Lauras.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Should have some fun there, and we'll continue to take
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Welcome back to Plan Buck everybody. We are very pleased
to welcome onto the program doctor Laura Schlessinger, who recently celebrated.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Fifty years on the radio. She is a best selling author.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
She's also auctioning off some handmade items to support children
of fallen patriots. Go to doctor Laura dot com for
more of that Again, doctor Laura dot com, Doctor Laura,
I just say it's an honor to speak to you
because I've been hearing your voice ever since I got married,
because my wife is a longtime doctor Laura listener. And
(19:33):
let me tell you, I am very thankful. I am
very thankful for it.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Well, then she's your girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
She's the best. She's fantastic. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I come home and we got married, and I came
home and there's dinner on the table, and I say, honey,
I want to go to the shooting range with the guys.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
She says, you need guide time. You know all these
rules and lessons.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And then I found this book, their Proper Care and
Feeding of Husbands, which is dog eared and underlined and
ever something else. I'd tell you. I got married a
little later in life, doctor Laura. So I got married
around forty I think it was forty one. And my
wife has absolutely loved my life. She's absolutely fantastic. We're
about to have a baby in a couple of weeks,
(20:14):
so everything is going, and I really wanted to have
you on in part just to thank you because, and
this comes from my wife as well. I think you
give so many women such incredibly important and powerful advice
for them to have great, meaningful lives as wives, as mothers.
Is so I'm always whenever Carrie starts saying, doctor Laura says,
(20:35):
I start nod in my head. Yep, that's great. She
sent in my wife's So I just got to tell
you this. It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
My wife's sent in a question for you.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
In Clay's wife Laura has a question too, She says, Hi,
doctor Laura, I'm a longtime listener and read the Proper
Care and Feeding of Husbands. I also took the online course.
Your wisdom has not only made me the wife i
am today, but also led me to find an incredible
husband who adores me.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Fact check true.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
In a couple of weeks, we will be welcoming our
first child. We're so thrilled to grow our family, but
what is your advice for ensuring our solid and healthy
marriage stays intact after the first baby comes. Thank you
for all you do.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
You don't stop having your hands all over each other.
That means when you're walking around. That means when one
of you takes a shower, maybe we could, you know,
save on water. We could both be in the shower.
It's really the physicality and the silliness. Everybody thinks it's
got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which
you and I both know guys don't enjoy. So the
(21:38):
more physical you are with each other and the more
cute you are with each other, that's really all you need.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I love it. That's really good advice.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Now I don't even know what my wife has sent in,
but there is audio. She went and used the app
and then she needed more space, so.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
She said, just give context, pray. How long?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
How long have you been married? Tell doctor Laura how Yeah,
so I've been married man twenty one years, will be August.
So I've been married over twenty years now. We have
three boys, seventeen, fourteen, and ten year old. And here
is what my wife, Lara wanted to ask you. Listen,
Clay and.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I are parents of boys, and thus far I think
we have weathered adolescents fairly well. However, some of our
friends who have daughters, their experiences, the way they talk
about it sound very different. In fact, some of them
say raising daughters through adolescents is a complete nightmare. I
(22:39):
have a friend this morning tell me that she feels
she's coming home to a bag of snakes every day
when she comes home to her adolescent daughters, which is
funny but harsh. So in general, do you have some
great advice for parents going through adolescents with their children?
(23:00):
Obviously the children are going through adolescents, And do you
have different advice for parents of girls weathering adolescens versus
parents of boys weathering adolescence.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Thank you, I thought you were just going to have
me on for a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That's going to take me about half an hour to
get through.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Let me try to bring it down number one, whether
it's a boy or a girl, that it's a tight
family that does things together, that is sweet with each other.
That the father spends time with the daughter, the father
spends time with the son, the mother spends time, and
the family is always together for dinner, if they have
to go do sports.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Things or what have you.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That you know, that's a very important part of the family.
People keep divvying it up. Yeah, there are differences in
how you raise girls from boys and I'd have to
come back another time to go through that. But the
first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands
and wives and the physical and the cuteness, the I
was with a family and I thought, and I talked
(24:04):
about them on my air, that this was the best
family I had seen in decades. Anytime anybody got something,
may I would you send me?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Could I have?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Thank you? Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.
That is not something that families do. You have two
career families, you have all kinds of other stuff going
on in the house, and it's not a family, it's
mother and father and kids. But when it's a family,
(24:38):
when people are always saying please and thank you and
show concern for each other and discipline and kind ways,
with understanding and compassion, you'd be surprised how it minimizes
how crazy it gets. And also take your kids out
of public school.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Wow, doctor Laurie, We're definitely going to have to have
you back, and I'm really looking forward to all the
questions and comments we're gonna get from the audience about
you coming on and just beginning this arc of wisdom.
And like I said, as a husband and a very
happy husband who does completely adore his wife. And I,
you know, it's so important that I think women get
a lot of the messaging and men and men, but
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that we both get a lot of the messaging that
you're putting out there. And I wanted you to address
something that's more just sort of general for the country
right now. You know, we talk here about politics and
national security and education, all these different things, but the
importance of family and marriage is central. Should be central,
maybe should be a better word.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
These days.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You know, there's a story just out today and it
says and the headline is American women are giving up
on marriage, And one of the lines from it is
American women have never been this resigned to staying signal single.
They are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and
growing gender gaps in economic and education attainment, and beliefs
about what a family should look like. What is going
(25:55):
on and how do we fix it?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Not enough fathers in the home raising suns to be
men of honor and courage and principle. And that's basically again,
the women have gone through the feminist thing where men
are the evil empire and all this negativity toward masculinity.
It's all toxic. I think it's wonderful. Give me a
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guy with the cowboy hat and boots, and I pay
attention because there's a sense that there's a strength there.
And women like to feel protected. That's probably the number
one thing women don't admit. They want to feel protected,
and that's why they like those silly books where there's
this ripped guy on the cover and she's being carried,
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you know, into safety. Why do they read those things
at such large amounts Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent
as we can be, we want to be protected. And
men have not been brought up to be that anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Are you more You've been doing this for fifty years
and Buck just laid out. A marriage is becoming less common.
A lot of men are not presentent homes. Unfortunately, the
overall birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing. Are
you more or less optimistic about the future of the
family unit today than when you started? How would you
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analyze the scope of relationship that you've seen over fifty years.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Oh no, I was more optimistic than that. I am
now because there have been so many forces we have,
like one or two generations now I think are lost.
These are young people who are not being brought up
that you finish school and you aim to be and
do things, and you make a family and you raise
kids and you have communities. And that was how I
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was brought up, and it was all this optimism. Now
you have throngs of kids who have no idea where
they can go and what they can be, and so
they get involved in all of these cliques like non binary.
And you know, I belong now to a group of
people who are equally lost and don't have an identity
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and don't have a direction and don't have a sense
of self other than I can belong to this community.
It's like what we used to look at with groupies
with rock stars. This is what's happening. So I'm worried,
be honest with you, I'm worried. But the one little
piece of optimism I have is I'm still here. People
are still calling. Somebody wants the help to pull it
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back together again and make life meaningful in something you
can feel comfortable and safe with and productive and loving
and receive all of that. So as long as I
still get that response, I keep my optimism up.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I worry.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
That's a great line. You just laid out some of
the challenges. How much do you think it has to
do with kids getting phones too young? What advice would
you give parents out there? My wife asked a question
about adolescens, but what advice would you give to parents
about social media and about what they allow their kids
to be exposed to, particularly on the internet.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think. You know,
you can push up against a tsunami, but it takes
just everybody lining up. I tell people that they're irresponsible
parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any minor
child period. Get them a flip phone that takes calls.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
No texting, no Internet. And instead of spending one's time
with screens, how about we actually have families that do
stuff together. I mean, my kid was talk about a
screen though.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We would watch.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Law and Order as a whole family, and then we
would sit here and we would go I think he
did it, No, I think she did it. And so
it was all of this thinking through using pieces of information.
And I just read today that our children are really
suffering the inability to have fine motor skills because they're
not playing with crayons, they're not playing with scissors, They're
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just sitting there like that, And so we're actually losing physicality.
I mean, is that not shocking?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's it's amazing. And we think about all the influences
that are on kids these days and what they're being told,
and how I think a lot of them are being
set up for misery. I mean, doctor Laura, you know,
yes you have.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
The metrics these days, and the metrics for young women
in particular in terms of happiness self described happiness. It's
terrifying in terms of how bad it is. How do
we start to go Yeah, turn again, you're going up
against the tsunami. But how do we start to turn
that around?
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, I just it popped into my head as you
were asking me the question. Look at all the very
intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions
of power in our government. I am so enthralled with that,
And I think that's wonderful for young women to have
something to aspire to keep my act clean. No more
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shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.
I want to be like that lady who's now running
the whatever It is so having role models like that.
You know, I have people calling who say I was
in a car seat in the back of my parents'
car listening to you, and now I have kids and
I'm using what I've learned. So anytime you can be
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a positive influence.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
My wife makes fun of me because I just always
sit there in the car when she turns you on,
I'm just like doctor Laura's right.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So I'm telling you this.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I was like, we have to have doctor Lauren's I'm
like doctor Laura's right, and carry looks at me, she goes, oh,
I know, Clay, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Last question for you, and we appreciate your time. And
you're certainly a radio legend. You've been so influential for
so long when the modern era, like I was reading
the other day, the number of successful women that are
choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a
child with instead of an actual man is staggering to me.
(32:05):
What kind of worldis me?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Okay, I wanted to get your tags.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Me makes me angry because kids need a dad, and
I just say to these women, oh, that's not well.
I have money and I can take care of I
don't care about that. You had a mommy and a daddy,
and I'm sure that meant something to you. Now you're
gonna rob a kit of a dad because it's convenient
for you not to commit and give of yourself and
(32:31):
be vulnerable to another human being and be invested in
each other's lives beautifully. That's a real shame. That's a
real shame. That is so selfish.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, yeah, I don't like it, doctor Laura.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
We gotta have we gotta have you back, because you know,
for you to solve all problems of relationships and family
and short child rearing in about ten minutes is asking
a lot. But you didn't know a remarkable job, guys
that there's so many books. I mean, the Proper Care
and Feeding of Husbands. I've actually got Carrie's very dog
eared and underlined coffee in my hand, a great book.
And go to doctor Laura dot com because she's doing
(33:05):
some great charity work.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
To doctor Laura. We'd love to have you back, and
thanks for being here.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I would love it. Thank you, guys, and I love
listening to you too.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Oh well, thank you so much, thank you very much.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
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News you can count on and some laughs too. Clay,
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Speaker 6 (34:27):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
Doctor Laura was awesome. A lot of great reaction rolling
in ver her. She's a fifty year radio legend, much
like Rush was a thirty plus.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Year radio legend.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Many of you grew up listening to her as well
as to him, and I think we could have talked
to her for a long time. Buck like that, she
could have kept taking questions, and I think we would
have gotten a lot based on what I'm seeing in
from you guys as well.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And I think it's so important. I think a lot
of people don't get. They don't get a basic framework,
like we're taught so many things about so much different
stuff in our lives. How are you a good husband?
How are you a good wife? What builds now? I
know some people say, well, I didn't get instruction and
I've been married fifty years and I'm so happy and okay, fine,
(35:23):
But the same way that learning about personal finance is
just empowering. I think learning about healthy and productive personal relationships,
I mean being you know, getting an understanding of it,
not just going through the experiential side of it, is
really important with family and child rearing, you know, I'm
reading books now about how to be a great dad
and the expecting father and all this stuff. I think
(35:45):
it is a really good thing to know. I know
a lot of you have a tremendous amount of knowledge
from your lives about this, but you know, does your
twenty year old. I think the twenty year olds are
getting terrible information about dating now. I think the twenty
five and thirty five year olds are getting terrible information
about how to find a husband away.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I also think that this ties in with boys and
men in crisis. We have a lot of people who
aren't getting raised by men. Somebody said on the show recently,
or I think I heard it on our show, but
that we basically have tried to turn women into men
and men into women. That we've created sort of this
amorphous unisex which frequently.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Makes both men and women unhappy.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
But the data reflects buck that the overall young men
suffer by far the most from being in single parent households.
Young women tend to not be bad, probably because they're
often being raised by women and they have a strong
female role model. But as good as a mom is,
it's very hard to do both sides of the raising,
(36:45):
and men, frankly, are not lifting up enough, and I
think that's one reason we've seen masculinity in crisis. We'll
talk more about this dive into the third hour next
Thanks for hanging with us.
Second hour of Play and Buck kicks off right now.
Just remind her we are going to be joined for
the first time here on Clay and Buck by doctor
Laura Slessinger in about half an hour, so we're gonna
ask her about marriage, life and relationships. I know it's
a little bit of a digression from our usual fare
of Maga and Trump and saving the country and defeating
(00:20):
the communists, But we are a multi faceted.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Show here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We're a multi multi tier, multifaceted and we thought it'd
be fun to talk a little about this because I
actually think that so much of what we see in
this country that as conservatives we have to address from
the perspective of politics and policy, a lot of things
actually boil down to parental relationships, the family. You're talking
about education, you're talking about the future of this country.
(00:48):
You got to get these other things right. And I
think that important voices when it comes to marriage and
kids and child rearing and the importance of family.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We need more of that these days. We need more
of those.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Discussions, I think, alongside tackling the debt and defeating the
forces of jihadism in the Middle East and all this
other stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So we we're going to get into that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I did want to speaking of the news though, I
did want to update on where things stand.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
With the border and how.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The efforts of the Trump administration to rein in illegal
immigration are going in this moment. First off, as we know,
let's just let Tom Holman, this is cut twenty. Let's
let him say it. The numbers at the border continuing
to show one how serious Trump and his team are
about border security and two what a disaster intentionally the
(01:46):
Biden border was. Is Tom Holman play twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Quick team President Trump's promise. President Trump has promised we're
going to secure the border, which we've done to a
large extent. We're still working on it, but we're at
ninety six percent decline on the border. Any promise we're
going to prioritize public threats and that's just security threats,
and will go. It's in this country, and that's what
we're doing. Austin I said that seat, there's story state,
and we're going to come and despite their sanctory status,
(02:09):
we're going to bring agents. Sara, We're gonna take these
worse of the worst off the street.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Nine Reduction play in illegal border crossings, which is an
astonishing figure. Now, of course they have begun to push
back on what's gone on with these well, they've been
pushing back on the trend to Arragua expulsions from this country.
And this this was just here's an example of of
(02:36):
what we face here. People saying things like the expulsions
of trend to Arragua are so bad that quote the
Nazis got better treatment under the Alien Enemy Act.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
This has cut eighteen play it.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
There were planeloads of people, there were no procedures in
place to notify people. Nazis got better treatment under the
Alien Enemy Act, and has happened here where the proclamation
require the promulgation of regulations and they had hearing boards
before people were removed. And yet here there's nothing in
there about hearing boards. There's no regulations, and nothing was
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adopted by the agency officials that were administering this. People
weren't given notice, they weren't told where they were going.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
District Coard Gear.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Hasn't called in to question the constitutionality of the Alien
Enemies Act. It's been upheld. As you said, it's a
part of the war power. So that's not the question here.
The question is whether the implementation of this proclamation without
any process to determine whether people qualify under it.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Clay, I think the Democrats once again are showing that
they will they will oppose the administration even if it
means they're going to do more damage to themselves politically.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
What do you think so the border is solved, I
mean we talked for four the legal entry is solved.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
A deportation is we're in the very first inning. We're
the first pitches of the first inning on that.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Which we said would be way more complicated. But the
fact that illegal crossings have collapsed. I think that some
people are self deporting because they're aware that the open
border policy does not mean that they're going to become
citizens overnight, which some of them I think came to expect.
What is buck If we were giving Trump advice, which
(04:25):
sometimes we do, if we were giving him advice on
something he could come out in favor of what is
the most popular public thing that he could decide to
make an issue that Democrats would reflexively oppose.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Men and women's.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Sports is actually a great test case because the idea
that you could get the Democrat party to essentially go
to war and make it a dogma that men pretending
to be women should be able to compete in women's sports.
I never would have believed was possible. What is something that,
first of all, it's hard to find things that like
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eighty or ninety percent of Americans agree on. What is
something that Trump could add to his roster of common
sense endorsements that Democrats would then fill obligated to right?
I mean, they got think about this buck. We got
them opposed to electric vehicles now like yes, electric vehicles
on fire.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
We've shown that they don't want to stop waste, fraud,
and abuse of government spending. They don't want to expel
dangerous criminal alien illegals from this country who are preying
on their communities and have no right to be in
the United States in the first place. They don't want
to stop the entry of illegals from all over the
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world and the mass exploitation of the American people that
occurs as a result of that. They don't want to
stop the Russia Ukraine War. You start to go down
this list and you wonder, at what point do they
realize that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
They're just kind of the bad guys in all this.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I know that's a simplest way of putting it, but
they really are on the wrong side of issue after issue.
And I'll tell you this this Judge Patricia Millet, who
was saying that Nazis got better treatment under the Alien
Enemy Act, I assure you. I assure you right now.
The same people who are saying, oh, we want trend
to Arragua. Remember, these are illegals supposed to be in
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the country. They're deportable just by virtue of their status.
They're being prioritized because they're illegals who are hurting people
in America. Okay, that's why they're at the front of
the line. That's why they got sent. But Clay went
with they're saying it's about process. I assure you, just
like mark this down. The next time around, if there
is process, they'll be saying.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
No, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be kicking these illegals out.
They don't want them to leave.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
They lie to you about what they really want, just
like they lie to you about how they want a
secure border. They don't they lie to you about how
they want to expel these illegal criminals from trend to Aragua.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, they don't.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I don't know why they want to do everything that's
bad for the country, but it seems quite clear that
they do that. That really is the operating you know,
Oh they care about due process? Did they care about
due process for j six individuals held in solitary confinement
under the insane, the psychotic theory that they were going
to have another insurrection if they were let out. That's insane,
that's a lunatic position. They didn't care about due process.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Then they got used to the idea that Trump reflexively
opposition to him was the route to political power. And
what I really think they have not managed to understand
is Trump two point zero is a far more sophisticated, dynamic,
(07:41):
incredibly well executed in general team than Trump one point zero.
And I'll just go I think this is significant. How
many leaks have come out that the Trump team would
not want to have come out in the first two
months that he's been in office. Remember it was like
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every day there was a new negative story on the
Washington Post or the New York Times about internal deliberations
trying to embarrass the Trump team. How much stuff has
come out that has been leaked internally that they would
want to not be out.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I can't even hardly think of anything, Clay.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I think that what we saw in the first Trump
administration was Trump brought in people who were playing their
own version of Game of Thrones, trying to push each
other out of Trump's orbit because they realized how much
power and influence there was if you were close to
the hand of the king. This time around, there's none
of that nonsense going on. You can tell this team
(08:40):
is working as a team. And I can tell you
from knowing these people. You know, whether it's Cash as
FBI director, or Dan Bongino as deputy director, or Pete
hegsath At at Pentagon, I mean, go go to on
the list. These guys know each other, They like each other,
They Alsie and the whole crew. They respect each other,
and they're working toward the same end. This isn't the
(09:00):
petty kremlinology nonsense that we saw term one.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
I think that is true. I think also Trump has
learned who he can trust, somebody who deserves a lot
of attention. We've had Stephen Miller on a bunch. She
doesn't even talk to the media anywhere. How about Susie Wiles,
Chief of staff ran a killer campaign in twenty twenty
four for Trump has been almost completely under the radar.
(09:28):
I don't even remember seeing her do an interview, just
quietly managing everything. I think Steven Miller is, as you
guys know, we've had him on the show for years,
and intellectual heavyweight. Whatever you think of JD. Vance and
Pete Hegseth, both very smart guys, very accomplished guys. Tulsea
(09:49):
and RFGA were Democrats until a few years ago, and
now they've just joined the common sense revolution. I think
the challenge that Democrats have from a boxing perspective is
they can't really get a glove on Trump because even
the things you're talking about, Buck Day. I saw a
poll this morning. Sixty six percent of Americans believe that
the trend Iiragua gang members should be deported. So the
(10:14):
judge is telling him, hey, you got to you got
to turn the plane around and bring all these violent
predators back into our country. In the American public is saying, no,
I saw a funny joke. It's circulating from a bunch
of different people have made it that a federal District
court judge has ruled that Jeffrey Goldberg.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Has to be added back to the group chat.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Which is kind of a funny take on what has
emerged as the primary opposition to Trump two point zero,
which is the judiciary.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well it also you see with this judiciary is that
they were willing under Biden, these same judges to allow
the just clear and endless violations of law and the
dereliction of duty from the Biden execus necative branch, specifically
at the border. But a lot of places and people
(11:05):
are i think Clay fed.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Up with Oh, so, the rules only mean that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
We can't fix the country. The rules won't help save
the country, you know, so to speak. But the rules
mean we can't fix anything, you know, the rules only
go against the interest of America somehow right now. And
you'd say, well, a perfect example this is with ilegal immigration.
These people are all deportable, all legals are deportable under
the law, and yet they make it impossible to deport them.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
How is that? How is that reasonable? Irrational? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
They effectively use the process as a weapon against the purpose.
And that's what you see with these judges. They'll do
it over and over again. But that's what you see
with the Democrats as well, remember the whole border wide
open policy under Biden was based on false asylum claims. Well, Clay,
that's really easy. What they do is they just say, Oh,
(11:56):
we're going to pretend that we're total morons and that
we believe anybody who shows up for any reason at
the border and says I have a credible fear of
violence in my country.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's all you had to say.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, if that's the case, what's the point of having
any rules or laws about.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
This in the first place.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, So they ignore the law, and they subvert the
law when it's to their purpose, which is I think
fundamentally undermining this country.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And then they turn around and say, I thought you
had respect for the constitution.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We're saying, can we stop fraudulent waight as, fraudulent spending
and wasteful spending. Can we stop people from entering the
country illegal illegally? Here this you know what, I don't
have time for this right now, but I wanted to
get to Kathy Hockel, who is saying New York State
will not help the federal government with its law enforcement
efforts when it comes to illegal immigration. I'm sorry, does
Kathy hockl that she just doesn't care about federal law
(12:45):
and doesn't care about federal law on no other part
of the law would you have state law enforcement told
stand down, don't help your federal counterparts.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
This is also where they're going to lose. I think
she probably knows that she's going to lose, to the
extent that she's smart enough to understand the law. The
president sets immigration policy, the states have to follow. We
had these battles. Unfortunately, remember when Governor Abbott in Texas
was trying to stop the illegal crossings and the Biden
administration said, hey, you aren't allowed to protect Texas. I
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get to make the decisions, and a lot of courts
lined up behind Biden because the president gets to decide
federal policy as it as it deals with immigration and
border control.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
She's going to lose, but.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Again, a lot of this is just it's going to
take months for the courts to tell her that she's
going to lose.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm not sure she's going to lose. I'm I think
she's going to lose, which it depends on what she
because you can't have federal law enforcement can of commandeer
state law enforcement to federal law purposes. So it's a
it has to be a choice by the governor to assist.
So the point I'm making is she's choosing not to assist,
which shows you she has no respect for the federal law.
(13:54):
Now to your point on things like not giving DMV
data to the Feds and things like, I think that
they cross the line to obstruction, and that's where she
may lose in court. But it's gonna be picking and
choosing here and there what she has to do.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
En she's up for reelection next year, she is making
the calculated decision that being contra Trump is going to
help her in the Democrat primary and then also in
the general election. That's I mean, that's the calculus. And
unfortunately the people of New York lose out because what
Trump is doing would actually be beneficial to him. Look,
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Speaker 2 (16:09):
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Speaker 7 (16:12):
I know that you guys believe there's no such thing
as coincidence, and also that the Democrats are very crafty
in what they do. The more I've been reading in
the newspapers online, whatever may be, all this preoccupation now
with two process, free speech, et cetera, I'm of the
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(16:34):
the big finale, which is, before we can deport all
of the other illegal the other ten million, we're going
to need to have ten million trials because everybody will
be viewed as entitled to due process. Wanted to get
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Look.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I think that there's zero doubt that the deportation process
is going to be incredibly challenging, and they are trying
to put up as many roadblocks as possible, and that
there is no single president who can solve the issue.
And I mean you need multiple terms. We talked about
this beforehand. I said it was going to be very
hard to deport a huge percentage of people, and that's
(17:13):
proving true. So I think this is why you have
to stack multiple administrations together in order to fix this problem.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, you have to start to turn this around. It's
a bit like dealing with the debt. Trump's not going
to make the debt disappear. It's not going to happen.
But if you can make it start to go in
the other direction, then there's hope because you can continue
that and the American people can vote for that continuation.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Same thing with deportations.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You can continue it and it can become a manageable
problem instead of what it is or has been clay,
which is totally unmanageable.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Totally. We're gonna come back. We'll talk with doctor Lauras.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
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to welcome onto the program doctor Laura Schlessinger, who recently celebrated.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Fifty years on the radio. She is a best selling author.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
She's also auctioning off some handmade items to support children
of fallen patriots. Go to doctor Laura dot com for
more of that Again, doctor Laura dot com, Doctor Laura,
I just say it's an honor to speak to you
because I've been hearing your voice ever since I got married,
because my wife is a longtime doctor Laura listener. And
(19:33):
let me tell you, I am very thankful. I am
very thankful for it.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Well, then she's your girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
She's the best. She's fantastic. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I come home and we got married, and I came
home and there's dinner on the table, and I say, honey,
I want to go to the shooting range with the guys.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
She says, you need guide time. You know all these
rules and lessons.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And then I found this book, their Proper Care and
Feeding of Husbands, which is dog eared and underlined and
ever something else. I'd tell you. I got married a
little later in life, doctor Laura. So I got married
around forty I think it was forty one. And my
wife has absolutely loved my life. She's absolutely fantastic. We're
about to have a baby in a couple of weeks,
(20:14):
so everything is going, and I really wanted to have
you on in part just to thank you because, and
this comes from my wife as well. I think you
give so many women such incredibly important and powerful advice
for them to have great, meaningful lives as wives, as mothers.
Is so I'm always whenever Carrie starts saying, doctor Laura says,
(20:35):
I start nod in my head. Yep, that's great. She
sent in my wife's So I just got to tell
you this. It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
My wife's sent in a question for you.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
In Clay's wife Laura has a question too, She says, Hi,
doctor Laura, I'm a longtime listener and read the Proper
Care and Feeding of Husbands. I also took the online course.
Your wisdom has not only made me the wife i
am today, but also led me to find an incredible
husband who adores me.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Fact check true.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
In a couple of weeks, we will be welcoming our
first child. We're so thrilled to grow our family, but
what is your advice for ensuring our solid and healthy
marriage stays intact after the first baby comes. Thank you
for all you do.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
You don't stop having your hands all over each other.
That means when you're walking around. That means when one
of you takes a shower, maybe we could, you know,
save on water. We could both be in the shower.
It's really the physicality and the silliness. Everybody thinks it's
got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which
you and I both know guys don't enjoy. So the
(21:38):
more physical you are with each other and the more
cute you are with each other, that's really all you need.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I love it. That's really good advice.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Now I don't even know what my wife has sent in,
but there is audio. She went and used the app
and then she needed more space, so.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
She said, just give context, pray. How long?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
How long have you been married? Tell doctor Laura how Yeah,
so I've been married man twenty one years, will be August.
So I've been married over twenty years now. We have
three boys, seventeen, fourteen, and ten year old. And here
is what my wife, Lara wanted to ask you. Listen,
Clay and.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I are parents of boys, and thus far I think
we have weathered adolescents fairly well. However, some of our
friends who have daughters, their experiences, the way they talk
about it sound very different. In fact, some of them
say raising daughters through adolescents is a complete nightmare. I
(22:39):
have a friend this morning tell me that she feels
she's coming home to a bag of snakes every day
when she comes home to her adolescent daughters, which is
funny but harsh. So in general, do you have some
great advice for parents going through adolescents with their children?
(23:00):
Obviously the children are going through adolescents, And do you
have different advice for parents of girls weathering adolescens versus
parents of boys weathering adolescence.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Thank you, I thought you were just going to have
me on for a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That's going to take me about half an hour to
get through.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Let me try to bring it down number one, whether
it's a boy or a girl, that it's a tight
family that does things together, that is sweet with each other.
That the father spends time with the daughter, the father
spends time with the son, the mother spends time, and
the family is always together for dinner, if they have
to go do sports.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Things or what have you.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That you know, that's a very important part of the family.
People keep divvying it up. Yeah, there are differences in
how you raise girls from boys and I'd have to
come back another time to go through that. But the
first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands
and wives and the physical and the cuteness, the I
was with a family and I thought, and I talked
(24:04):
about them on my air, that this was the best
family I had seen in decades. Anytime anybody got something,
may I would you send me?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Could I have?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Thank you? Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.
That is not something that families do. You have two
career families, you have all kinds of other stuff going
on in the house, and it's not a family, it's
mother and father and kids. But when it's a family,
(24:38):
when people are always saying please and thank you and
show concern for each other and discipline and kind ways,
with understanding and compassion, you'd be surprised how it minimizes
how crazy it gets. And also take your kids out
of public school.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Wow, doctor Laurie, We're definitely going to have to have
you back, and I'm really looking forward to all the
questions and comments we're gonna get from the audience about
you coming on and just beginning this arc of wisdom.
And like I said, as a husband and a very
happy husband who does completely adore his wife. And I,
you know, it's so important that I think women get
a lot of the messaging and men and men, but
(25:16):
that we both get a lot of the messaging that
you're putting out there. And I wanted you to address
something that's more just sort of general for the country
right now. You know, we talk here about politics and
national security and education, all these different things, but the
importance of family and marriage is central. Should be central,
maybe should be a better word.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
These days.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You know, there's a story just out today and it
says and the headline is American women are giving up
on marriage, And one of the lines from it is
American women have never been this resigned to staying signal single.
They are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and
growing gender gaps in economic and education attainment, and beliefs
about what a family should look like. What is going
(25:55):
on and how do we fix it?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Not enough fathers in the home raising suns to be
men of honor and courage and principle. And that's basically again,
the women have gone through the feminist thing where men
are the evil empire and all this negativity toward masculinity.
It's all toxic. I think it's wonderful. Give me a
(26:22):
guy with the cowboy hat and boots, and I pay
attention because there's a sense that there's a strength there.
And women like to feel protected. That's probably the number
one thing women don't admit. They want to feel protected,
and that's why they like those silly books where there's
this ripped guy on the cover and she's being carried,
(26:43):
you know, into safety. Why do they read those things
at such large amounts Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent
as we can be, we want to be protected. And
men have not been brought up to be that anymore.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Are you more You've been doing this for fifty years
and Buck just laid out. A marriage is becoming less common.
A lot of men are not presentent homes. Unfortunately, the
overall birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing. Are
you more or less optimistic about the future of the
family unit today than when you started? How would you
(27:20):
analyze the scope of relationship that you've seen over fifty years.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Oh no, I was more optimistic than that. I am
now because there have been so many forces we have,
like one or two generations now I think are lost.
These are young people who are not being brought up
that you finish school and you aim to be and
do things, and you make a family and you raise
kids and you have communities. And that was how I
(27:47):
was brought up, and it was all this optimism. Now
you have throngs of kids who have no idea where
they can go and what they can be, and so
they get involved in all of these cliques like non binary.
And you know, I belong now to a group of
people who are equally lost and don't have an identity
(28:07):
and don't have a direction and don't have a sense
of self other than I can belong to this community.
It's like what we used to look at with groupies
with rock stars. This is what's happening. So I'm worried,
be honest with you, I'm worried. But the one little
piece of optimism I have is I'm still here. People
are still calling. Somebody wants the help to pull it
(28:33):
back together again and make life meaningful in something you
can feel comfortable and safe with and productive and loving
and receive all of that. So as long as I
still get that response, I keep my optimism up.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I worry.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
That's a great line. You just laid out some of
the challenges. How much do you think it has to
do with kids getting phones too young? What advice would
you give parents out there? My wife asked a question
about adolescens, but what advice would you give to parents
about social media and about what they allow their kids
to be exposed to, particularly on the internet.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think. You know,
you can push up against a tsunami, but it takes
just everybody lining up. I tell people that they're irresponsible
parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any minor
child period. Get them a flip phone that takes calls.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
No texting, no Internet. And instead of spending one's time
with screens, how about we actually have families that do
stuff together. I mean, my kid was talk about a
screen though.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We would watch.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Law and Order as a whole family, and then we
would sit here and we would go I think he
did it, No, I think she did it. And so
it was all of this thinking through using pieces of information.
And I just read today that our children are really
suffering the inability to have fine motor skills because they're
not playing with crayons, they're not playing with scissors, They're
(30:07):
just sitting there like that, And so we're actually losing physicality.
I mean, is that not shocking?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's it's amazing. And we think about all the influences
that are on kids these days and what they're being told,
and how I think a lot of them are being
set up for misery. I mean, doctor Laura, you know,
yes you have.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
The metrics these days, and the metrics for young women
in particular in terms of happiness self described happiness. It's
terrifying in terms of how bad it is. How do
we start to go Yeah, turn again, you're going up
against the tsunami. But how do we start to turn
that around?
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, I just it popped into my head as you
were asking me the question. Look at all the very
intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions
of power in our government. I am so enthralled with that,
And I think that's wonderful for young women to have
something to aspire to keep my act clean. No more
(31:05):
shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.
I want to be like that lady who's now running
the whatever It is so having role models like that.
You know, I have people calling who say I was
in a car seat in the back of my parents'
car listening to you, and now I have kids and
I'm using what I've learned. So anytime you can be
(31:29):
a positive influence.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Do it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
My wife makes fun of me because I just always
sit there in the car when she turns you on,
I'm just like doctor Laura's right.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So I'm telling you this.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I was like, we have to have doctor Lauren's I'm
like doctor Laura's right, and carry looks at me, she goes, oh,
I know, Clay, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Last question for you, and we appreciate your time. And
you're certainly a radio legend. You've been so influential for
so long when the modern era, like I was reading
the other day, the number of successful women that are
choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a
child with instead of an actual man is staggering to me.
(32:05):
What kind of worldis me?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Okay, I wanted to get your tags.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Me makes me angry because kids need a dad, and
I just say to these women, oh, that's not well.
I have money and I can take care of I
don't care about that. You had a mommy and a daddy,
and I'm sure that meant something to you. Now you're
gonna rob a kit of a dad because it's convenient
for you not to commit and give of yourself and
(32:31):
be vulnerable to another human being and be invested in
each other's lives beautifully. That's a real shame. That's a
real shame. That is so selfish.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, yeah, I don't like it, doctor Laura.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
We gotta have we gotta have you back, because you know,
for you to solve all problems of relationships and family
and short child rearing in about ten minutes is asking
a lot. But you didn't know a remarkable job, guys
that there's so many books. I mean, the Proper Care
and Feeding of Husbands. I've actually got Carrie's very dog
eared and underlined coffee in my hand, a great book.
And go to doctor Laura dot com because she's doing
(33:05):
some great charity work.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
To doctor Laura. We'd love to have you back, and
thanks for being here.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I would love it. Thank you, guys, and I love
listening to you too.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Oh well, thank you so much, thank you very much.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
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get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
Doctor Laura was awesome. A lot of great reaction rolling
in ver her. She's a fifty year radio legend, much
like Rush was a thirty plus.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Year radio legend.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Many of you grew up listening to her as well
as to him, and I think we could have talked
to her for a long time. Buck like that, she
could have kept taking questions, and I think we would
have gotten a lot based on what I'm seeing in
from you guys as well.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And I think it's so important. I think a lot
of people don't get. They don't get a basic framework,
like we're taught so many things about so much different
stuff in our lives. How are you a good husband?
How are you a good wife? What builds now? I
know some people say, well, I didn't get instruction and
I've been married fifty years and I'm so happy and okay, fine,
(35:23):
But the same way that learning about personal finance is
just empowering. I think learning about healthy and productive personal relationships,
I mean being you know, getting an understanding of it,
not just going through the experiential side of it, is
really important with family and child rearing, you know, I'm
reading books now about how to be a great dad
and the expecting father and all this stuff. I think
(35:45):
it is a really good thing to know. I know
a lot of you have a tremendous amount of knowledge
from your lives about this, but you know, does your
twenty year old. I think the twenty year olds are
getting terrible information about dating now. I think the twenty
five and thirty five year olds are getting terrible information
about how to find a husband away.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I also think that this ties in with boys and
men in crisis. We have a lot of people who
aren't getting raised by men. Somebody said on the show recently,
or I think I heard it on our show, but
that we basically have tried to turn women into men
and men into women. That we've created sort of this
amorphous unisex which frequently.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Makes both men and women unhappy.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
But the data reflects buck that the overall young men
suffer by far the most from being in single parent households.
Young women tend to not be bad, probably because they're
often being raised by women and they have a strong
female role model. But as good as a mom is,
it's very hard to do both sides of the raising,
(36:45):
and men, frankly, are not lifting up enough, and I
think that's one reason we've seen masculinity in crisis. We'll
talk more about this dive into the third hour next
Thanks for hanging with us.
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