March 30, 2025 • 20 mins
White Lotus: when pop culture collides with politics. How many of you can relate to this scenario in your own life? Clay’s bizarre dream.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm drinking my Crocket Coffee Buck. I had a late
night and an early morning. I was watching White Lotus
Season two sorry, season three episode?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What do we think about that first episode? I think
you might redeem yourself here. It was almost on the
It was a bad first episode. Second episode was good.
I watched it last night. I have no idea how
many of you watch. There have been three seasons. It's
a murder mystery on HBO about privileged, rich people who
go away on vacation and you try to find out
who died. That's the story in essence. I'm glad the
(00:51):
second because Carry and I had that one slated for
this weekend. But the first episode was was was trash.
So you recognize that, Clay, there's hope for you. You
reconnize episode was trash. So there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
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This is truck driver Jeff Man of the people Spectacular
(01:27):
Taste in film.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
He has sent us a message and here is what
he had to say. Hey guys, this is a Jeff,
a truck driver from Missouri.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I just wanted to say I took Clay's advice and
watched AXLF last night.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I thought it was pretty good myself.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't know what you were thinking, Buck, but hey,
you know, everyone has their own taste.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well there you go, Jeff. I love you, sir. You're
a great American and a patriot. But I think you're off.
I think you've hit the wrong interstate on this one.
Maybe uh maybe it cuts somebody off and uh they
gotten a little bit of a wreck. Because I think
I think you're you're off off the mark on this one.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I will raise you.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Listener, Rick from Mississippi, This is talkback CC. Just have
to say I disagree with clayon and one hundred percent
agree with Buck at Beverly Hills cop the new one
was trash compared to the originals. I first listener, Rick
also in a truck. I think you might have also
(02:25):
been in a.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Truck that we have dueling truck drivers over whether axelf
was good or not. And as I've always said, Missouri
truck drivers far more trustworthy the Mississippi truck drivers.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I can't believe he's throwing Mississippi truckers under the bus
like this just Forlouri.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Everybody knows Missouri truck drivers have great taste. Mississippi truck
drivers not so much.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The cultural shift is somewhat apparent here in a few ways.
And I mean that in terms of the pop culture shift.
There's a show White Lotus, which I think some of
you see, very few of you probably overall watch It's
on HBO.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What percentage of our audience do you think has watched
season one, season two, or season three of White Lotus?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh, ten percent or less?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I would think probably. I think that's I think that's accurate.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Actually, hit Me and Buck on social I would be
curious if you have watched this, because I do think
what you're about to say is emblematic of how things
have changed pretty substantially.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So there are three women.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The concept of the show is pretty straightforward, super luxury
resort and then stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Right, if you're in a super luxury resort, a murder
is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You don't know who's gonna get killed at the super
luxury resort, basically.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Something like yeah, Like there's gonna be some extreme events
that occur, and you get to know these different couples
who are in the resorts.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And they do a good job.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Like, the characters are interesting, and I think it's a
pretty well written show.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Kerry likes that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I like it, so, thank Heavens, we can actually agree
that it's a good show. But they had a Trump
moment on it, and I've seen soon like one of
the reasons I thought the movie Midnight in Paris was
pretty entertaining, except the guy who was always taking shots.
If you remember this, the Woody Allen movie. Every time
he would just bring up Trump, and it was yeah,
but every time the guy would bring up Trump, it
(04:16):
was he would get you know, it was made. It
was meant to make him look like an imbecile. You know,
he's like, well, I think Donald trumpell this is back
in twenty sixteen, so this is very early anyway, I
think that I don't know, it wasn't Trump, it was
remember was just Republicans. I think it was just the
Republican Party. I can't remember how old that movie is. Now.
The point is they introduce among these three, you know,
(04:39):
wealthy women who are all life lifelong friends. We were
in their probably forties, fifties, late forties, I would say.
And so they introduced all these people and then one
of them, it comes out, is probably a Trump voter,
and she is not an object of ridicule on the show.
(04:59):
In in fact, I would argue that the liberal from
New York and the liberal from Los Angeles on the
show are made to look a little like they're being
kind of judge and a little little quick on the
quick on the trigger on this issue.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What do you what do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Because this HBO, which is a very left wing channel,
they were not I have not seen them do mockery
of the Trump voter in this situation. In that scene,
we need to get the audio to play for you guys,
because I was actually impressed. And again the general consensus
is none of these people are great. You see these characters,
(05:35):
warts and all.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But I thought the way it was being characterized, the
New York and the LA women were actually coming off
worse than the lady from Texas who had voted for
Trump and simply said that she was an independent and
sort of shocked her friends from LA and New York
in the process. And I bet there are a bunch
(05:59):
of you men and women out there that voted Trump
in twenty twenty four and you've had conversations just like
the one that HBO had on Sunday. I want to
play for that for you guys, because I do think
it's emblematic of a culture shift.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We both watched this show because our wives like the
show and it's good enough that we enjoy it too.
White Lotus on HBO, and there was a scene where
these three you could tell there are three women of
means in there. I'd say they're all about forty five ish, right,
maybe think that's about forty five. And they figure out
(06:35):
while and they're in this five star resort in Thailand,
which is where the whole show is set, and they
figure out, wait a second, once from LA, once from
New York, one is from Austin, Texas. Now Texas obviously
read but Austin you never know. This is how the
exchange goes play it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I didn't know you went to church. Oh yeah, we
go every Sunday. Yeah, ever since we moved to Is
it like a real textan church, like with Bible thumpers
and well.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The people are, you know, more conservative than like LA
people or like New York?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Is that weird for you?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Why would it be weird?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I don't know. If I was just around a bunch
of Texans who voted for Trump, I guess I just
feel a little alienated.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They're nice people, really good families, cool, But do you
ever talk to politics with them?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Sometimes I'm going to get awkward? Why would it? Because wait,
are you a Republican?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Now? I'm an independent? But Davis an independent?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Hm? Since when you didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Vote for Trump?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Though? Did you? Are we really going to talk about
Trump tonight?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I love.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I have had versions of that dislike that is exactly
how it goes. They'll Libs keep digging in, digging a
little more. They're a little outrage, but they want that reassurance.
Wait wait, wait, I've been I mean I've been on
first dates where it was like that, except it was wait,
you work for Glenn Beck. Like that, Glen Beck, what
do you do you like guns? And I'm like, yes
(08:17):
that Glenn Beck and I love guns.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And that was the end. There was no second date.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I bet there are hundreds of thousands of people out
there listening to us right now, maybe even millions, that
have had a conversation that is very similar to that.
Because twelve million more people voted for Trump in twenty
twenty four than twenty sixteen, a lot of people have
come on board the Trump train. And I think women
(08:43):
in particular probably are responding to that because you got
the LA And let me say this, Buck, this is
why I think this is significant.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is probably the most popular show for entertainment people
in LA and New York. Would you guess like everybody
the entertainment industry in those two cities watching this show
and they aren't playing now Austin, Texas not the I
think a lot of you out there are like Austin.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They should have.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
She should have been from Dallas or Houston. Austin would
be that would throw you off. Yeah, but again, the
vibe reed is not perfect. But what I thought was
interesting is and there's a later scene where the women
are talking about this other woman and they're like gossiping
about her. How in the world could she be voting Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
They're not playing the Trump voter as the cheap laughs,
stupid redneck on Intel.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
They're not going they're not going Tom Hanks from SNL
that's right where he really he really just it was
unfunny and took cheap shots and they're not even it's
just pathetic because the cheap shots don't even land, and
it just showed that he's living in some alternate political reality.
But no, that's that's what's so interesting is is the
Trump voter woman. If you watch this scene, you know,
(09:56):
all through the women are like, you know, they're very attractive,
they're very well dressed, right, so there's you know, they're wealthy,
they're very wealthy, educated women.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
But the Trump voter is the most at least in
this exchange.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Now, there's more episodes to come, and for all we know,
she could have like a pill addiction and be crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know this, you could end up being the killer.
They could still you know, the awful, deranged Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But but the way they nailed the they nailed the
dynamic of democrats for a long time. Now, think in
any social situation, in any whether you're in the workplace,
whether you're at a you know, a friend's barbecue, a
cocktail party, if they are surprised to find a Trump
voter or a Republican, which same thing now, but in
(10:39):
the midst they think that they're allowed to take some
kind of umbrage and put you through some interrogation, whereas
on the other sides, like, yeah, you've voted for Kamala,
Like sorry, you don't have good judgment, but enjoy your burger, like.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We don't care. Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And this reminds me of Adam Corolla, and I guarantee
you there's a lot of our listeners in Calnil right
now that are nodding along in a big way. What
I found in Krolla mentioned this on the air with
us Buck, is that there are a lot of people
who are working on shows, the grips, the camera guys,
(11:15):
the set builders, who will come up and say privately,
like man, thank you for what you're saying, like you
nailed it right. Like In other words, the people standing
in front of the camera oftentimes are more outspoken politically
on the left a lot of the people that put
these shows on, that make them physically possible are actually
(11:36):
Trump supporters. And the other thing about this is increasingly
buck a lot of people who stand in front of
the camera are still kind of hiding, but they're also
starting to take like that half step out where we
mentioned this with like comedians. There are a lot of
comedians out there that are Trump supporting comedians of the
(12:00):
people that you watch and like, but they don't really
want And I get it. If my job was to
talk to one hundred percent of people and make them laugh,
I wouldn't want to come out stridently necessarily on one
political side of the equation or not if I had everybody.
This is my argument with Michael Jordan back in the
day Republicans by sneakers too. Why were you not political?
(12:21):
Like I'm a great basketball player. Why would I want
fifty percent of the population to like me less as
a basketball player because of my politics? Doesn't make any
sense to me. But I do think this is a
super popular show and it is indicative of a major
vibe shift. And I don't know how many of you
watch it, but I guarantee you if you're in New
(12:42):
York City or LA media entertainment circles. This is probably
the show that they watch more than any other, and
it struck me on Sunday. It's struck Buck two. We
wanted to play that for you, even if you don't
watch it as what the vibe shift can feel like.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You know, you know, five years ago, or maybe even
two years ago, maybe even six months ago, the Trump
voter in a pop culture context on an HBO show
would have been you know, yeah, like I don't know anything,
but I just love America and have my flag.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know, it would have been mockery.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It would have been much more likely to be oh,
aren't they They're right to be outraged that this woman
voted for Trump, or that you know, we're led to
believe she voted for Trump. Whereas now what it exposed
a little more was these libs, these left wingers are
living in this delusion where they don't realize that more
(13:39):
than half the country voted for Trump, and they probably
know a lot of people who voted for Trump.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Not only that too.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Some of you out there always say, well, I don't
know why you watch a show like I watched lots
of shows where people might hate my politics. Because I
think I can appreciate somebody's talent in something while also
recognizing that they may not have the same opinion as me.
I don't presume that everybody is going to think the
exact same as me. Doesn't mean I can't like a
(14:07):
movie or a television show or a sport for that matter.
But I do think that this is emblematic of a
recognition that there are a lot of people like you
and me, Buck out there, and I bet there's a
ton of women who love white Lotus two that almost
in fact, I go into my mentions, I bet, I
(14:29):
bet you've had a conversation almost identical to what those
three women just had at some point over the last
eight years. I think huge majorities of the women listening
to us right now who voted Trump have had a
conversation like that with their girlfriends. I think more women
than men.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Sundays with Clay and Buck, I'm about to make a confession.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I understand if you and anyone else out there listening
right now can no longer trust me after this confession.
Out late last night did Fox Nation with Tommy Laren,
Ben Dominic, and Aaron Perini.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I was at the.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Kid Rock same place where we were for the election
night Kid Rock honky Tonk downtown Nashville. In fact, I
was kidding with Tommy Laren that she was hosting the
show last night and the last time we did a
show there, Pete Hegseth was hosting, and now he is
the head of the Defense Department. So Tommy Laren, in
line for a promotion, got back home late, went to bed,
(15:34):
and I had a crazy dream. I dreamed that I
was in and maybe this is the Hillsdale College Continuing
Learning ads that were doing. I don't know how this happened.
I dreamed that I was in an adult Study abroad program,
and in that adult Study abroad program I became best
(15:55):
friends with Megan Markle, and that we liked to spend
our free time baking together.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I think this is a nightmare, not a dream, Clay.
To be clear, this is like I woke.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Up and I was like my friend Megan Markle, like,
I mean, why are we not still baking? I legitimately
there's a dream. I'm like, I don't know that any
of you can trust any of my opinions anymore. If
I'm now dreaming that I'm gonna be doing adult study
classes with Megan Markele and that we're gonna be buddies.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So I just try to.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Be honest with the audience as much as I can.
Maybe this is connected to me becoming the greatest flute
player in the world. Maybe I'm just really in touch
with my feminine side now. Maybe I'm actually gay and
I just didn't know it. But I don't know what
to say about me becoming best friends with Megan Markel
and an adult study abroad program and enjoying baking, which
(16:48):
is you well know, Buck, I've never cooked anything in
my life. So maybe I don't even know how to
explain this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think we're at the full on, multimillion person therapy
session stage of the show.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Now, Clay, is this what happens when you get old?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You stop having like really kind of adventurous, awesome dreams,
and you're just like, I'm gonna go to an adult
study abroad program and I'm gonna get into.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Baking, Like am I? Am?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I like Tim Walls levels testosterone right now? Am I
gonna be doing spirit fingers and leg kicks soon? I
don't know. I'm troubled. I was troubled when I woke
up this night enjoyed the spe I think we.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Can all say it's brave for you to share it
with me and people listening on five hundred stations across
the country, plus all of our podcast audience. So your fearlessness,
Clay has to be respected, irrespective of your flute playing
and Meghan markele baking skills.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I know that there is a new Meghan Markle baking
show out. I saw Piers Morgan tweeted that he made
it through ten minutes, so maybe that is also resonating.
I'll also say this, I needed my krock at coffee
this morning because I had a late night out in
downtown Nashville doing Fox Nation Television, and the Krocket Coffee
(18:00):
is coming in handy in a huge way. Go to
Crocket Coffee dot com, use code book but buck. I
will also say I was blown away by how many
of our audience we talked yesterday about the culture change
and the vibe shift and how everything is altering in
many ways. I was blown away by how many people
had really interesting takes about the White Lotus Show, how
(18:23):
many of you have watched it, and how many of
you pointed out that while Yellowstone is seen as this
sort of epitomization of Western values. Red State America.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Jumped the shark, ran the pickup truck into a brick
wall in the last season, sorry to tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And White Lotus actually ridicules a lot of the woke universe. Now,
it is a satirical program, so it is ridiculing lots
across the spectrum. But I actually thought more and more
after we talked about that conversation about the three women
and one of them voting Trump, is White Lotus actually
(19:05):
selling itself to a left wing audience while coding that
is sort of subtextually actually embracing much of the critique
of left wing audiences, and doing it in such a
hidden way, in such a subterranean fashion, that a lot
(19:26):
of the white liberals don't realize how much they're being
ridiculed by a show they love. Just an idea out
there for some of you that may want to check
this out and tell me whether or not you think
I'm crazy, Because the more I think about it, that
conversation among those three women did not stand alone, and
I do think it's indicative of the overall larger vibe
(19:50):
shift that we have seen that's making opposing Trump so
much more difficult for Democrats overall, they just have no
counter narrative.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, the America that we have all been living in
until very recently with Trump's win, has been one in
which all Democrats believe that if they were to go
with their best friends in the whole world on vacation
and find out that one of their best friends since
they were in college or whatever, you know, of twenty
years considered voting for Trump, that is a mic drop,
(20:22):
oh my gosh, catastrophe moment. Whereas Republicans just like, whatever, man,
let's go to the beach. We just don't have that
same Well, for one thing, I think sense of entitlement
and sense of being able to determine what other people
believe and think. And there is a recognition, I think
now that Democrats have gone too far with this stuff,
(20:44):
even seeping into pop culture. Although, as we've said, hopefully
the Trump voting mom from Austin, Texas on the show
you Know doesn't storm the Capitol or something in the
last episode, you know, we don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
True, Yeah, who knows. There could be a major pivot
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm drinking my Crocket Coffee Buck. I had a late
night and an early morning. I was watching White Lotus
Season two sorry, season three episode?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What do we think about that first episode? I think
you might redeem yourself here. It was almost on the
It was a bad first episode. Second episode was good.
I watched it last night. I have no idea how
many of you watch. There have been three seasons. It's
a murder mystery on HBO about privileged, rich people who
go away on vacation and you try to find out
who died. That's the story in essence. I'm glad the
(00:51):
second because Carry and I had that one slated for
this weekend. But the first episode was was was trash.
So you recognize that, Clay, there's hope for you. You
reconnize episode was trash. So there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I want all of you out there to go to
Crocketcoffee dot com, use codebook, go sign up, particularly if
you have phenomenal taste as some of you do. Uh,
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This is truck driver Jeff Man of the people Spectacular
(01:27):
Taste in film.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
He has sent us a message and here is what
he had to say. Hey guys, this is a Jeff,
a truck driver from Missouri.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I just wanted to say I took Clay's advice and
watched AXLF last night.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I thought it was pretty good myself.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't know what you were thinking, Buck, but hey,
you know, everyone has their own taste.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well there you go, Jeff. I love you, sir. You're
a great American and a patriot. But I think you're off.
I think you've hit the wrong interstate on this one.
Maybe uh maybe it cuts somebody off and uh they
gotten a little bit of a wreck. Because I think
I think you're you're off off the mark on this one.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I will raise you.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Listener, Rick from Mississippi, This is talkback CC. Just have
to say I disagree with clayon and one hundred percent
agree with Buck at Beverly Hills cop the new one
was trash compared to the originals. I first listener, Rick
also in a truck. I think you might have also
(02:25):
been in a.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Truck that we have dueling truck drivers over whether axelf
was good or not. And as I've always said, Missouri
truck drivers far more trustworthy the Mississippi truck drivers.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I can't believe he's throwing Mississippi truckers under the bus
like this just Forlouri.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Everybody knows Missouri truck drivers have great taste. Mississippi truck
drivers not so much.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The cultural shift is somewhat apparent here in a few ways.
And I mean that in terms of the pop culture shift.
There's a show White Lotus, which I think some of
you see, very few of you probably overall watch It's
on HBO.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What percentage of our audience do you think has watched
season one, season two, or season three of White Lotus?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh, ten percent or less?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I would think probably. I think that's I think that's accurate.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Actually, hit Me and Buck on social I would be
curious if you have watched this, because I do think
what you're about to say is emblematic of how things
have changed pretty substantially.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So there are three women.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The concept of the show is pretty straightforward, super luxury
resort and then stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Right, if you're in a super luxury resort, a murder
is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You don't know who's gonna get killed at the super
luxury resort, basically.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Something like yeah, Like there's gonna be some extreme events
that occur, and you get to know these different couples
who are in the resorts.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And they do a good job.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Like, the characters are interesting, and I think it's a
pretty well written show.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Kerry likes that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I like it, so, thank Heavens, we can actually agree
that it's a good show. But they had a Trump
moment on it, and I've seen soon like one of
the reasons I thought the movie Midnight in Paris was
pretty entertaining, except the guy who was always taking shots.
If you remember this, the Woody Allen movie. Every time
he would just bring up Trump, and it was yeah,
but every time the guy would bring up Trump, it
(04:16):
was he would get you know, it was made. It
was meant to make him look like an imbecile. You know,
he's like, well, I think Donald trumpell this is back
in twenty sixteen, so this is very early anyway, I
think that I don't know, it wasn't Trump, it was
remember was just Republicans. I think it was just the
Republican Party. I can't remember how old that movie is. Now.
The point is they introduce among these three, you know,
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wealthy women who are all life lifelong friends. We were
in their probably forties, fifties, late forties, I would say.
And so they introduced all these people and then one
of them, it comes out, is probably a Trump voter,
and she is not an object of ridicule on the show.
(04:59):
In in fact, I would argue that the liberal from
New York and the liberal from Los Angeles on the
show are made to look a little like they're being
kind of judge and a little little quick on the
quick on the trigger on this issue.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What do you what do you make of it?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Because this HBO, which is a very left wing channel,
they were not I have not seen them do mockery
of the Trump voter in this situation. In that scene,
we need to get the audio to play for you guys,
because I was actually impressed. And again the general consensus
is none of these people are great. You see these characters,
(05:35):
warts and all.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But I thought the way it was being characterized, the
New York and the LA women were actually coming off
worse than the lady from Texas who had voted for
Trump and simply said that she was an independent and
sort of shocked her friends from LA and New York
in the process. And I bet there are a bunch
(05:59):
of you men and women out there that voted Trump
in twenty twenty four and you've had conversations just like
the one that HBO had on Sunday. I want to
play for that for you guys, because I do think
it's emblematic of a culture shift.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We both watched this show because our wives like the
show and it's good enough that we enjoy it too.
White Lotus on HBO, and there was a scene where
these three you could tell there are three women of
means in there. I'd say they're all about forty five ish, right,
maybe think that's about forty five. And they figure out
(06:35):
while and they're in this five star resort in Thailand,
which is where the whole show is set, and they
figure out, wait a second, once from LA, once from
New York, one is from Austin, Texas. Now Texas obviously
read but Austin you never know. This is how the
exchange goes play it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I didn't know you went to church. Oh yeah, we
go every Sunday. Yeah, ever since we moved to Is
it like a real textan church, like with Bible thumpers
and well.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
The people are, you know, more conservative than like LA
people or like New York?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Is that weird for you?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Why would it be weird?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I don't know. If I was just around a bunch
of Texans who voted for Trump, I guess I just
feel a little alienated.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
They're nice people, really good families, cool, But do you
ever talk to politics with them?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Sometimes I'm going to get awkward? Why would it? Because wait,
are you a Republican?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Now? I'm an independent? But Davis an independent?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Hm? Since when you didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Vote for Trump?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Though? Did you? Are we really going to talk about
Trump tonight?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I love.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I have had versions of that dislike that is exactly
how it goes. They'll Libs keep digging in, digging a
little more. They're a little outrage, but they want that reassurance.
Wait wait, wait, I've been I mean I've been on
first dates where it was like that, except it was wait,
you work for Glenn Beck. Like that, Glen Beck, what
do you do you like guns? And I'm like, yes
(08:17):
that Glenn Beck and I love guns.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And that was the end. There was no second date.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I bet there are hundreds of thousands of people out
there listening to us right now, maybe even millions, that
have had a conversation that is very similar to that.
Because twelve million more people voted for Trump in twenty
twenty four than twenty sixteen, a lot of people have
come on board the Trump train. And I think women
(08:43):
in particular probably are responding to that because you got
the LA And let me say this, Buck, this is
why I think this is significant.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
This is probably the most popular show for entertainment people
in LA and New York. Would you guess like everybody
the entertainment industry in those two cities watching this show
and they aren't playing now Austin, Texas not the I
think a lot of you out there are like Austin.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They should have.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
She should have been from Dallas or Houston. Austin would
be that would throw you off. Yeah, but again, the
vibe reed is not perfect. But what I thought was
interesting is and there's a later scene where the women
are talking about this other woman and they're like gossiping
about her. How in the world could she be voting Trump.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
They're not playing the Trump voter as the cheap laughs,
stupid redneck on Intel.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
They're not going they're not going Tom Hanks from SNL
that's right where he really he really just it was
unfunny and took cheap shots and they're not even it's
just pathetic because the cheap shots don't even land, and
it just showed that he's living in some alternate political reality.
But no, that's that's what's so interesting is is the
Trump voter woman. If you watch this scene, you know,
(09:56):
all through the women are like, you know, they're very attractive,
they're very well dressed, right, so there's you know, they're wealthy,
they're very wealthy, educated women.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
But the Trump voter is the most at least in
this exchange.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Now, there's more episodes to come, and for all we know,
she could have like a pill addiction and be crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know this, you could end up being the killer.
They could still you know, the awful, deranged Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But but the way they nailed the they nailed the
dynamic of democrats for a long time. Now, think in
any social situation, in any whether you're in the workplace,
whether you're at a you know, a friend's barbecue, a
cocktail party, if they are surprised to find a Trump
voter or a Republican, which same thing now, but in
(10:39):
the midst they think that they're allowed to take some
kind of umbrage and put you through some interrogation, whereas
on the other sides, like, yeah, you've voted for Kamala,
Like sorry, you don't have good judgment, but enjoy your burger, like.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We don't care. Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And this reminds me of Adam Corolla, and I guarantee
you there's a lot of our listeners in Calnil right
now that are nodding along in a big way. What
I found in Krolla mentioned this on the air with
us Buck, is that there are a lot of people
who are working on shows, the grips, the camera guys,
(11:15):
the set builders, who will come up and say privately,
like man, thank you for what you're saying, like you
nailed it right. Like In other words, the people standing
in front of the camera oftentimes are more outspoken politically
on the left a lot of the people that put
these shows on, that make them physically possible are actually
(11:36):
Trump supporters. And the other thing about this is increasingly
buck a lot of people who stand in front of
the camera are still kind of hiding, but they're also
starting to take like that half step out where we
mentioned this with like comedians. There are a lot of
comedians out there that are Trump supporting comedians of the
(12:00):
people that you watch and like, but they don't really
want And I get it. If my job was to
talk to one hundred percent of people and make them laugh,
I wouldn't want to come out stridently necessarily on one
political side of the equation or not if I had everybody.
This is my argument with Michael Jordan back in the
day Republicans by sneakers too. Why were you not political?
(12:21):
Like I'm a great basketball player. Why would I want
fifty percent of the population to like me less as
a basketball player because of my politics? Doesn't make any
sense to me. But I do think this is a
super popular show and it is indicative of a major
vibe shift. And I don't know how many of you
watch it, but I guarantee you if you're in New
(12:42):
York City or LA media entertainment circles. This is probably
the show that they watch more than any other, and
it struck me on Sunday. It's struck Buck two. We
wanted to play that for you, even if you don't
watch it as what the vibe shift can feel like.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You know, you know, five years ago, or maybe even
two years ago, maybe even six months ago, the Trump
voter in a pop culture context on an HBO show
would have been you know, yeah, like I don't know anything,
but I just love America and have my flag.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know, it would have been mockery.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It would have been much more likely to be oh,
aren't they They're right to be outraged that this woman
voted for Trump, or that you know, we're led to
believe she voted for Trump. Whereas now what it exposed
a little more was these libs, these left wingers are
living in this delusion where they don't realize that more
(13:39):
than half the country voted for Trump, and they probably
know a lot of people who voted for Trump.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Not only that too.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Some of you out there always say, well, I don't
know why you watch a show like I watched lots
of shows where people might hate my politics. Because I
think I can appreciate somebody's talent in something while also
recognizing that they may not have the same opinion as me.
I don't presume that everybody is going to think the
exact same as me. Doesn't mean I can't like a
(14:07):
movie or a television show or a sport for that matter.
But I do think that this is emblematic of a
recognition that there are a lot of people like you
and me, Buck out there, and I bet there's a
ton of women who love white Lotus two that almost
in fact, I go into my mentions, I bet, I
(14:29):
bet you've had a conversation almost identical to what those
three women just had at some point over the last
eight years. I think huge majorities of the women listening
to us right now who voted Trump have had a
conversation like that with their girlfriends. I think more women
than men.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Sundays with Clay and Buck, I'm about to make a confession.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I understand if you and anyone else out there listening
right now can no longer trust me after this confession.
Out late last night did Fox Nation with Tommy Laren,
Ben Dominic, and Aaron Perini.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I was at the.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Kid Rock same place where we were for the election
night Kid Rock honky Tonk downtown Nashville. In fact, I
was kidding with Tommy Laren that she was hosting the
show last night and the last time we did a
show there, Pete Hegseth was hosting, and now he is
the head of the Defense Department. So Tommy Laren, in
line for a promotion, got back home late, went to bed,
(15:34):
and I had a crazy dream. I dreamed that I
was in and maybe this is the Hillsdale College Continuing
Learning ads that were doing. I don't know how this happened.
I dreamed that I was in an adult Study abroad program,
and in that adult Study abroad program I became best
(15:55):
friends with Megan Markle, and that we liked to spend
our free time baking together.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I think this is a nightmare, not a dream, Clay.
To be clear, this is like I woke.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Up and I was like my friend Megan Markle, like,
I mean, why are we not still baking? I legitimately
there's a dream. I'm like, I don't know that any
of you can trust any of my opinions anymore. If
I'm now dreaming that I'm gonna be doing adult study
classes with Megan Markele and that we're gonna be buddies.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So I just try to.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Be honest with the audience as much as I can.
Maybe this is connected to me becoming the greatest flute
player in the world. Maybe I'm just really in touch
with my feminine side now. Maybe I'm actually gay and
I just didn't know it. But I don't know what
to say about me becoming best friends with Megan Markel
and an adult study abroad program and enjoying baking, which
(16:48):
is you well know, Buck, I've never cooked anything in
my life. So maybe I don't even know how to
explain this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think we're at the full on, multimillion person therapy
session stage of the show.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Now, Clay, is this what happens when you get old?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You stop having like really kind of adventurous, awesome dreams,
and you're just like, I'm gonna go to an adult
study abroad program and I'm gonna get into.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Baking, Like am I? Am?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I like Tim Walls levels testosterone right now? Am I
gonna be doing spirit fingers and leg kicks soon? I
don't know. I'm troubled. I was troubled when I woke
up this night enjoyed the spe I think we.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Can all say it's brave for you to share it
with me and people listening on five hundred stations across
the country, plus all of our podcast audience. So your fearlessness,
Clay has to be respected, irrespective of your flute playing
and Meghan markele baking skills.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I know that there is a new Meghan Markle baking
show out. I saw Piers Morgan tweeted that he made
it through ten minutes, so maybe that is also resonating.
I'll also say this, I needed my krock at coffee
this morning because I had a late night out in
downtown Nashville doing Fox Nation Television, and the Krocket Coffee
(18:00):
is coming in handy in a huge way. Go to
Crocket Coffee dot com, use code book but buck. I
will also say I was blown away by how many
of our audience we talked yesterday about the culture change
and the vibe shift and how everything is altering in
many ways. I was blown away by how many people
had really interesting takes about the White Lotus Show, how
(18:23):
many of you have watched it, and how many of
you pointed out that while Yellowstone is seen as this
sort of epitomization of Western values. Red State America.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Jumped the shark, ran the pickup truck into a brick
wall in the last season, sorry to tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And White Lotus actually ridicules a lot of the woke universe. Now,
it is a satirical program, so it is ridiculing lots
across the spectrum. But I actually thought more and more
after we talked about that conversation about the three women
and one of them voting Trump, is White Lotus actually
(19:05):
selling itself to a left wing audience while coding that
is sort of subtextually actually embracing much of the critique
of left wing audiences, and doing it in such a
hidden way, in such a subterranean fashion, that a lot
(19:26):
of the white liberals don't realize how much they're being
ridiculed by a show they love. Just an idea out
there for some of you that may want to check
this out and tell me whether or not you think
I'm crazy, Because the more I think about it, that
conversation among those three women did not stand alone, and
I do think it's indicative of the overall larger vibe
(19:50):
shift that we have seen that's making opposing Trump so
much more difficult for Democrats overall, they just have no
counter narrative.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Well, the America that we have all been living in
until very recently with Trump's win, has been one in
which all Democrats believe that if they were to go
with their best friends in the whole world on vacation
and find out that one of their best friends since
they were in college or whatever, you know, of twenty
years considered voting for Trump, that is a mic drop,
(20:22):
oh my gosh, catastrophe moment. Whereas Republicans just like, whatever, man,
let's go to the beach. We just don't have that
same Well, for one thing, I think sense of entitlement
and sense of being able to determine what other people
believe and think. And there is a recognition, I think
now that Democrats have gone too far with this stuff,
(20:44):
even seeping into pop culture. Although, as we've said, hopefully
the Trump voting mom from Austin, Texas on the show
you Know doesn't storm the Capitol or something in the
last episode, you know, we don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
True, Yeah, who knows. There could be a major pivot
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