April 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show begins with a recap of the recent political events in Florida and Wisconsin. The hosts discuss the Republican wins in Florida's first and sixth congressional districts and the implications of the Wisconsin Supreme Court loss for redistricting and future elections. They highlight the overwhelming support for voter ID requirements in Wisconsin, noting its significance for election integrity.
The conversation shifts to former President Trump's upcoming announcement on tariffs, with the stock market showing positive signs in anticipation. The hosts analyze the potential economic impact and investor reactions.
A major focus of this hour is the release of the report on the Covenant School shooting in Nashville. The hosts delve into the motivations of the transgender shooter, emphasizing the targeted attack on a Christian school and the chilling details from the report. They discuss the broader implications of the shooter's left-wing ideology and the need for armed security in schools.
The hosts also address the viral controversy surrounding a father in Augusta, Georgia, who was arrested for leaving his children at a McDonald's playground during a job interview. They debate the appropriateness of the arrest and the challenges faced by parents in similar situations.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck engage with listener feedback, including talkbacks and emails, discussing the Republican ground game in Wisconsin and the importance of voter turnout in special elections. They also touch on the cultural flashpoint of the McDonald's incident, exploring societal norms and parental responsibilities.
The hour concludes with a preview of potential developments in the tech industry, including Amazon's bid to acquire TikTok, and the implications for social media and digital platforms.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in out number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
(00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling
through the Wednesday edition of the program. Bunch of news
stories out there. We talked about the Florida special elections
Florida six Florida one, both Republican wins by around fifteen points.
Appreciate everybody who got out and voted there. Wisconsin judge lost. Unfortunately,
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the Supreme Court will be in the control of Democrats.
That could have consequences unfortunately when it comes to redistricting,
potentially costing Republicans a couple of different seats depending on
how things play out there. I will say very positive result,
which is getting some attention, probably deserves more. Overwhelmingly, Wisconsin
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voters said you should have to show a photo ID
to vote, which seems like basic common sense to me
but has become an opposition issue of paramount importance to
the Democrat Party. But actually vast majorities of voters believe
that that should be a law, that we should make
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sure that those who are voting are who they say
they are, and it's a bare minimum to require somebody
to show up and produce a license or a passport
or some form of identification in order to cast your ballot,
and overwhelming numbers of Wisconsin voters believe that. In fact,
Ryan Gerdusky, I saw our data analyst guru as part
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of the Clay and Buck podcast network, said around two
hundred thousand Wisconsin voters voted both for there to be
a voter ID requirement and for the left wing judicial nominee.
So I think what that reflects is that even Democrats
believe that that amendment should be law, and so hopefully
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in the years ahead, as Wisconsin has become ultimate battle
ground state, it was the closest of all the states
in the twenty twenty four election, It was very close
in twenty sixteen twenty twenty Senate races, coming down to
thousands of votes in one direction or the other. Hopefully
that will allow Wisconsin elections going forward to be more
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reliable than they otherwise would be. Trump four o'clock Eastern
scheduled to announce his tariff decision. I will say, if
you use the stock market as any sort of proxy,
stock market actually having a good day, suggesting perhaps that
there is not going to be as much of an
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economic impact as some investors had feared stock market s
and P five hundred up about a percent today, which
is a not inconsequential number. And for those of you
out there who pay attention to this on a regular basis,
the stock market is roughly the same place that it
was on election Day, so about six months. It has
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come down certainly from where was in February, but it's
about the same place it was six months ago.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now, other news, there has.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Been a release buck and I was reading it during
the last commercial break. The Covenant School shooting. This is
the transgender shooter, the trans terrorist in Tennessee, my hometown
of Nashville, who shot up a Christian school. There is
finally a report out about the motivations of that shooter,
(03:28):
and I want to read some of these for you
because I do think it's important for everybody out there
to be aware of what exactly took place. First of all,
this shooter chose this location, particularly because of the Christian school,
and I'm reading from the official report released by Metro
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Nashville Police. Even though she was concerned the layout of
the school would give students and faculty more play to
hide and more time to flee, she was emboldened by
the idea students were too young to effectively fight back
or flee far she believed. This is a direct quote
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from the report that was just released in the last
few minutes. She believed the Christian faith of those within
would make them meek and afraid, which further assuaged her
self doubts. The age of the children and the school
being considered a Christian school made her recognize the instant
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notoriety the attack would bring. This is also particularly difficult. Again,
I'm reading from the report she initially planned to attack
another school in April of twenty twenty one, the April
thirteenth of twenty twenty one, whelmingly, And I'm trying to
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avoid using this woman's name because the report says that
she was focused on trying to have international notoriety. And
she initially chose April thirteenth, twenty twenty one as her
attack date because it was the exact same day as
the Columbine attack in Colorado April thirteenth of nineteen ninety nine.
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She considered it a fitting tribute to the memory of
those two killers. She then decided to postpone her attack
to get additional training on her firearm to ensure she
would be proficient with it to kill as many people
as possible. I mean, this is an awful human being.
This is from the report this is a demon. On
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April eighth, twenty twenty one, she canceled the attack on
that school changed her target to Covenant, this Christian school.
She then listed the pros and cons for each target
in her notebook books, focusing on the physical structure, security
of each location, agent backgrounds, and the public reaction she
(06:07):
would receive. Based on this analysis, listen to how chilling
this is. She chose the Covenant School as the better
target for three reasons. One, Covenant was more geographically isolated
than this other middle school, which she felt would give
her more time to kill. Covenant was a private Christian school.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
She believed she would.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Receive more notoriety for killing Christians due to the student
body at Creswell Middle being predominantly black. She was afraid
she would be seen as racist, which would affect how
much control she had over the narrative after her death
and allow others to state her motive beyond the attack.
(06:58):
I mean, buck, this is pure evil. She is a
trans left wing terrorist who intentionally targeted Christian kids because
she thought it would be a better narrative.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She also not go after a school because she was
concerned that she would be viewed as racist.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, that's exactly what it says, right, Yeah, is concerned
that she would be.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
She was steeped in left wing thinking, even when she
was she was plotting the mass murder of defenseless children,
She's like, well, I'm going to kill a bunch of kids,
but I want them to be kids who are Christian
and I and I don't want anyone to think that
I'm racist, though, yes, think about that. Everybody she is
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or was, thankfully exactly what we knew she was right away,
and they hid this from us for months and months
and months exactly why we thought, because the system, even
in a state like Tennessee this is, does not want
us to start to think about Hold on a second,
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is there is there anything here with her being trans
and psychiatric dysfunction and violence, and you know, no one's
allowed to even consider that. At this time, when she
did this shooting, there was a whole theory on the
left that was being expanded on in the media that
there was a genocide and that was the term, that
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they would use a genocide of trans people, that the
Christian right was perpetrating, and that states were engaged in
this horrible behavior of stopping the gender mutilation, the genital
mutilation of children because of the trans agenda, and she
chose the targets based upon her left wing ideology. She
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did this at a time when the Democrat mainstream, the
mainstream Democrat party was arguing in favor of transing kids
and if you tried to stop this, if you're a parent,
maybe the kids should be taken from you by this,
And that there was violence against trans people as some
kind of national epidemic. All wise, all nonsense, I might add.
(09:08):
So everything that we thought was true about this monster,
now it comes out it was true, and all that
stuff about how all we can't know, and yeah, we
can know. We should have known this right away. They
held it for political reasons. We knew it the whole time,
and there should be some accountability for the politics that
were played here because the public had a right to
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know and holding it this long was done not for
public safety, not for privacy, but for politics.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm reading and continuing to read.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is a forty eight page report that has just
been released by the Metro Nashville Police. I am going to,
you know, continue, I'm going to share this so if
you want to go read it yourself. Again, this individual
wanted to be famous, so I think trying not to
use names, trying not to make her famous, because that's
the reason that she did this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
They say.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Buck Sixteen notebooks were seized, two found within her vehicle
after her death, the other fourteen inside the bedroom in
her residence, all sorts of details about the planning of
this particular attack. And she went to a school without
an armed resource officer, armed security. There were schools with
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armed security. The school she went to didn't have armed security.
Another thing I might add that we're not somehow allowed
to talk about that she specifically goes, oh, this school
is further from police help. There's no armed officer at
the school. She did target scouting of these locations beforehand,
that's right. And you know the people that are saying, oh,
but we're going to ban guns, they're idiots. They're not
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going to stop anything. That's not going to help.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
But what might have helped, and what could help is
having a armed resource officer on campus, having security, having
concealed carrie for teachers who want to do so, you know,
who want to be able to protect their campus. And
they're you know, people that are that are getting Look,
I mean I conceal carrie, people that conceal carry. They're
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walking around the in states where it's legal. They're walking
around the mall, keeping you safe, whether you know it
or not. They're walking around you know, crowded areas, keeping
you safe, whether you know it or not. The idea
that this should be banned from schools and that you
should even be like face imprisonment if you're a lawful
gun owner and even leave the gun in your trunk
of a of a because schools are gun free zones.
Gun free zones are idiotic. It is absurd that bad
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guys don't care that it's a gun free zone. And
this again goes to show at Clay it's just isn't
The frustration here is they know this. It's hard to
get as much attention for that. Now that we have
the facts and can really discuss this, they don't, you know,
the laugh that wanted to you know, Oh, it's just
about don't demonize the trans community, or this is about
gun control or all the things that they want to say,
they said, and now that we can actually present the facts,
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stories old, a lot of people have, you know, the
public consciousness obviously not the fan is the tragedies of
what happened here. But for a lot of the country's
attention right now not on this issue totally. And I'm
going to keep reading this during the break because i
think some of these details continue. She rated other mass
killers based on the number of people they killed. In
her documents what targets selected level of notoriety. She considered
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offenders who killed a low number of people to be
amateurs who weren't worthy of her respect. H I mean,
this is an evil, evil person. I mean, just I'm
gonna read this. It's as demonic as choosing to murder
helpless children because they're helpless and because they're Christian, because
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their families might have some connection to God. I don't
know what could be more demonic than this. Just God
blessed that officer who and both those officers who showed
us how it's done, who stopped the threat, who ran
into that building. We all saw it on video. They
didn't hesitate, they didn't pull a Uvoldy. They really there
were lives at risk, and they went in there and
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they eliminated the threat and they took out the demon.
And they deserve so much credit for that. And I
know so many of you in law enforcement across the
country you would do exactly the same thing. And it's
good that we see that heroes can arise in the
midst of just the most depraved acts of evil, which
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On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, All right,
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Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know we were talking in the first hour quite
a bit about the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. Susan Crawford
beat Brad Schimmel fifty five percent of the vote to
forty five percent of the vote. We're getting a bunch
of talk backs on it and also emails, so I
wanted to address some of those. Where is the talkback guys,
(15:07):
where he's saying we are whitewashing.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
He's upset, he's a little upset, wants us to be
a little more hard on the Republicans here, So I
think we should address that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I think that's a fair b b BB. Thank you,
clan book.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
You guys are really whitewashing the Wisconsin results. Republicans were
caught flag play. Where was their ground game? How come
didn't get out the vote? This was totally unacceptable and
it was not necessarily okay.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So just so everyone's clear the we're obviously we're disappointed
by this, and it's ten It was ten points. Brad
Shimmel got one million, sixty three thousand votes. Susan Crawford
got one point three million, so two hundred giver about
two hundred and forty thousand more votes than Brad Shimmel.
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Shimmel's one point point zero six million votes is higher
than any Democrat vote total in the history of the
Wisconsin Supreme Court. According to Seth keshel here, on political
analyst who follows this up on X I'm gonna check
that number, but I can tell you this, Yeah, No,
Republicans didn't win this one. Democrats had a better ground gate,
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there are ballot dropboxes. Democrats were very hyped up on this.
Wisconsin was the tightest state for Trump in the last election,
so yeah, this was going to be uphill. I also,
you know, I'm a big Elon fan in general. I
don't know if Elon was helpful in Wisconsin specifically. I'm
(16:44):
not sure how that plays among Wisconsinites, that he became
very sort of front and center in this clay.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Look, also, I mean the turnout, this is what I
think you have to focus on to a large extent.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
She got one point three million votes and he got
roughly one So Trump got right at one point seven
million votes. Kamala Harris got one point six six eight
million votes, So you're talking about roughly a million more
people voted in the twenty twenty four presidential election than
voted in this Wisconsin election. So it wasn't just Democrats
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and it wasn't just Republicans not showing up. I mean
Trump got seven hundred thousand, nearly more votes than this
Wisconsin this Wisconsin judge did, and the winning judge, the Democrat,
got nearly four hundred thousand fewer votes than Kamala did.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So look is it frustrating? Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Have I come to expect and should Republicans come to
expect on some level that Democrats are better organizing getting
out their base and special elections. Yes, this is why
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
We're rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program and Buck,
there's a major viral controversy out there and it has
turned into a really sort of cultural flashpoint. You have
the facts, I think in front of you right now.
But there was a dad who was trying to get
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to a job interview, and he had three young kids
and he took them to McDonald's. The interview was close
to the McDonald's. The kids are ten years old, four
years old and one year old, ten six in one, okay,
ten six and one, and he left them at the
McDonald's to do the interview.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Where did this take place?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So this was in Augusta, Georgia, and it was one
of those McDonald's that has the attached playground, right and
so he and it was right next to her. The
job interview is This guy's twenty four years old, Chris Lewis.
He's a father, He's a black guy. Augusta, Georgia. Ten
year old, six year old, one year old children. He
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went to go to the interview, and when he came back,
somebody had called the police on the fact that these
three kids we were in the playground and since this,
and he was arrested. Okay, they arrested him. They didn't
just sort of give him a ward, and they arrested him.
And now this has gotten a lot of attentions. People
are saying, hold on a second. You know, he doesn't
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have money for a babysitter. His family situation is difficult.
He's trying to get a job, to do things the
right way, to put money, you know, in the bank account,
food on the table for the kids and himself, and
you're gonna arrest this guy and give him a record
over this. A lot of people are saying, you know,
ten ten years if you go to just throw this
out there. I haven't done this, but my little brother
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went for a visit. There's like eight year olds riding
the subway alone in Tokyo. Oh, okay, I mean this,
and like all not just Tokyo, like all over Japan.
There are cultures where eight, nine, ten year olds move
about freely. And I think it actually says a lot
more that we're also have to be so freaked out
out in this country that a ten year old is
going to be kidnapped in public. You know, it says
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a lot more about how we need to work on
public safety here.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But okay, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I gotta say? I find myself in the you know,
I think this is I don't think the guys should
have been arrested. I think the cops probably should say, hey, man, like,
you know, keep it, you know, keep it closer, eye
on your kids. You know, you know, bad things gonna happen.
I don't think you should have been arrested. I certainly
I think they're good. The judge is going to dismiss
the charges. A lot of big name uh celebrities have
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gotten involved in this. What do you think I mean? Basically, Okay,
a ten year old maybe that's too is a twelve
year old too young?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I got I've got three kids that would have
been at some point in time roughly akin to these ages. Right,
at one point, I had a ten year old, a
six year old, and a two year old or some
something like that. So I had three boys around these ages.
I need more info. How long were they at the
McDonald's right that factors into me on some level. The
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one and I think most parents are going to flag this.
A one year old is really really young. So is
it like a one year old, meaning it's a twelve
month old, or is it like a one year old
and it's a twenty two month old. The reason why
I bring up the one year old is one year
olds need diapers changed. They is the ten year old
changing the diaper? Like? How long was the dad there
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with the leaving the kids. I'm just gonna go out
on a I don't think he was. I'm just guessing.
I don't think he was going for like three hours
of interviews at McKenzie or something like. I probably would
sit down with a guy talk to him for fifteen
or twenty minutes. That's the question, you know what I mean.
I would not standard again, not casting any dispersions, but
I think it's probably a pretty standard job interview.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I don't think they were asking him to do a
multi variable calculus.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The ten year old in general, every other every parent
out there is going to understand this too. There's a
wide range of ten year olds when it comes to
their responsibility, Like some ten year olds are I mean
that's fifth grade. Some can be I've got a ten
year old right now, fourth grade again, and you don't
know exactly when they're turning.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Are they old about to be eleven? Now?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, you know what if, for example, if he had
said just throw this out there, if he had said
to one of the employees at McDonald's, hey, can you
keep it? Can you keep an eye with my kids?
I'll be back in twenty minutes. I've just got to
run down the street for a job interview. Can you
keep an eye on them? Everybody cool with that? Everybody
that would actually draw more attention to you not being there. Well,
but but you know, I'm just so, what what are
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the so?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I want to know?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So, first of all, I don't think the guy should
be arrested, but again I want to know more info
because as more info comes out, sometimes the cops look
more reasonable.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What if the kids were there for two hours?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What if what if the one year old was crying
and the ten year old couldn't get it to stop,
and eventually they had to say, like, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hearing to the Augusta Press, it was a short time
and he came back immediately. Now, what is a short time.
I mean a short time is not two hours. I
think you know, less than an hour is a short
time in my mind for this kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So maybe the kids are there. Let's assume they're there.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He's trying to do The point is, I think intent matters.
He's trying to take care of his family. You don't
know what might have happened with the babysitter. Did somebody
gets sick then grandma and not be able to help out, Like.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's not like, you know, he left the kids so
we could go to a strip club in the middle
of the day or so.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think it's also right.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But I'm just saying, you know, the public sympathy for
someone trying to show up for an interview, trying to
get a job, trying to earn money the right way
is substantial here.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, I think it's a tough spot.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I would not have Again, I always want to give
the cops benefit of the doubt because so many of
these stories go viral and then more details come out
and you're like, oh, it was two hours, and oh
it was a baby and the baby was crying and
people were concerned about I think the ten and the
six year old it wouldn't have been noticed because I
think the ten and the six year old one the
one year old that throws theah, that's very I mean
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ten and six year olds can go to the bathroom
on their own, they can play inside of a play
area on their own. A lot of ten year olds
aren't responsible enough to watch a one year old. Again,
it could be a one year old that's almost two
in the one year old's playing in the in the
area itself too. But I'm sympathetic to the dad because
or the mom. And this I would also just say
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keep in mind because it's ad a McDonald's with the
attached playground.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
There are not only just people, but there are adults
who work there. Who are you know you assume the
ten Again, Look, it's clearly not a perfect situation. It
was not the right move. But is it a arrestable
you get a criminal record?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Move?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is really where people have that whole lot.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Of second No, I don't think it's an arrestable move,
and I think it's a warning. And again I want
to know more details. I would love to hear from
the guy. Has he done an interview yet? Like this
is something that I think would be he's got to
go fund me. That's kicking up. Okay, well, I like
the GoFundMe. But we have a huge audience in Augusta.
I think we have nearly the number one radio show
in Augusta, Georgia. Masters are coming up soon. I bet
(25:56):
there's people who own businesses that would be interested in
hiring this guy if again, he's got the willingness to
try to put his family first. So yeah, that's the point.
I think you said the word intent, and I think
that that needs to be always such in most statutes.
It is not always, but I think it should always
(26:19):
at least be taken into account before you're going to
charge somebody and give somebody a possibly a criminal record.
People trying to do the right thing, absent recklessness or
you know, some very specific set of circumstances should certainly
be always taken as a mitigating factor, like I wasn't
trying to do anything wrong. I was actually trying to
do a good thing and had an error of judgment,
(26:40):
you know, And look, judges do take this into I
don't think this guy is gonna end up getting a
criminal record. I think also again it's also the case
every single parent has had this happen where you try
to do everything right and you've got a babysitter and
you've got somebody to watch your kid, and it doesn't happen.
Every single parent listening to me right now has had
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grandma or an aunt or a babysitter scheduled and then
at the last possible moment, you get a call babysitter sick,
babysitter just isn't that reliable, doesn't show up. And this guy,
if he had the interview again, I would love to
hear the full story because I think we could get
this guy hired in Augusta, Georgia, just based on our Augusta,
(27:21):
Georgia listenership. If the story is as it has been reported,
and he's trying to bust his ass to help take
care of three young kids, and he knows he has
to get this job, what other options do he have?
It's hot, right, you don't want to leave the kids
in the car, because God forbid, that's way more dangerous.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Safety issue as a whole set. That would be child
and dangermin no question.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Now, you could show up at the interview with the
kids and be like, Hey, this is why I need
the job so bad. But again, like he probably doesn't
want to look like desperate or unreliable that you need
to bring bringing your kids to a job interview. What
is the what is the age at which you are
(28:03):
free and clear to let a child stay, you know,
stay either well, I think home is probably different than
in a public totally different. R So, but what what
would be the age at which we would all say, oh,
it's fine that you let your kids stay alone at
McDonald's while you went down the block for an hour?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Is it? Is it thirteen? An hour? Everybody? Hour is
a long time? The ten and the six year old?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think a lot of parents would say McDonald's playground.
If suddenly you had to run next door for twenty minutes,
you wouldn't want to do it. Dad, by the way,
way more likely to do it than mom. Let's be honest,
like dad, dads have a little bit higher risk tollards
for kids than mom does. But I think a lot
of dad's ten and six. It's the one that I
(28:50):
come back to. Yeah, the one is that one year
old is like, I mean, you're in a you're basically
in a carrying case. If you're a young one year
old if you're one and a half. I mean when
one year old was in a stroller basically in the shade. Again,
we don't know all the details of the situation. One
year on the stroller, they're in the playground.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
If I were him, I would have said, hey, could
you keep it in again? Well, I would have tried
not to do this whole thing, obviously, but in a
worst worst case spaces like oh my god, my house
is burning down and need to run down the street,
I think I would have told somebody McDonald's, hey, could
you just give me a solid and keep an eye
on my kids, you know, because you can see them
from well.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Again, I would love this talk to this guy to
find out that details. Presumably another parent is the one
who raised the issue, was their kids? Where the kids
misbehaving inside of the play area? The details matter a lot. Yeah,
you know, so for some reason that did the kids
look like they were distressed? Where they all was wandering?
Were they crying? And they felt like they were abandoned?
(29:44):
I guess they don't know everything. One of the parents
there say where's your dad or your mom? And they're like, oh,
he left us? So what is the age as a parent.
Where you are in America? Now?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Where you are?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I mean, I bet we can have people call in
who are like I was, you know eleven, I'm like
driving a pickup truck down the road. You know, we're
in a rural and like, you know, I know that
would have been forty or fifty years ago maybe, but
I think things have changed.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think the standards are a lot different even than
when we were kids. I mean, I rode the school
bus home in fifth grade, got out, walked home, nobody
else was in the house. What are you like, twelve eleven?
I think, yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying, is
this kid fifth grade?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Fourth?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I've got a fourth grader now, yes, see, I think
it's I think a thirteen. I think if someone says, oh,
you know, can your thirteen year old be alone in
public for an hour without parental supervision under certain circumstances,
I think most people would say that thirteen is one
hundred percent right, like thirteen.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Year old of them all? And what right? Right?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
OK?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But so I think I think the ten year old
is right on that level, because ten year old can
be fifth grade, ten year old can be fourth grade,
like you are relaxed. Also, does a kid have a phone,
you know, some ability to be contacted? And again, how
long were they actually left there? Did they buy food?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I think that factors in too, because if you own
McDonald and you just drop your kids off and you
don't buy any food, don't buy any drink, I think
people would say, you know, like, that's different too. I'd
be curious for any of if you're a parent and
you have a we want if you have a strong
take on this one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, he should have been arrested.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You can't do this reckless the one year old or
this is not Why would some because you know, Clay
and I have both been kind of going back and forth.
And if you think it's crazy he got arrested, he
wasn't trying. Let's hear from you on this.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And also if you're from law enforcement, I'm wondering if
you have any experience with this kind of thing and
where you draw the line. I'm probably in different states,
there's a different there are different guidelines about this, But
when is it It was like endangering a miner or something
like that was what he would Deprivation of a miner
was the charge he was arrested for. Okay, Well, is
that kind of up to the discretion of the officer
(31:47):
in a situation, you know, absent abuse, anything bad happening,
Is that up to the officer.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I'm kind of curious. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, and I'm curious on the responses. And again in Augusta,
this is a twenty four year old guy. Now it
says that he has a ten year old. It may
not be his kid, right, I mean, he may be
taking care of other people's kids. Maybe some of the
kids are his. I just need more information to have
a full on opinion on it. But what do they
always say? I think it's one hundred percent true. You
(32:13):
know who the best employees are men with kids, Man
with the kids. Man with a family is going to
show up and he's going to come to work. As
a general rule, more reliable than single guy?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Is vip email from Gary? Is this correct? How about
the fact that he's twenty four with a ten year
old kid?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, that's what it says. So I was just saying,
is it actually his? Is it actually his kid? The
oldest ten year old? Is he in charge of taking
care of multiple kids? Again, there are a lot of
detailed stuff. We stuff that need to be at there's
stuff we don't know definitely need to be fleshed out.
But I mean, there are people who have young kids,
(32:53):
have kids at young ages and are trying to do
the right thing. And to me, if you're trying to
get a job to take care of your family, intent
matters here. You're trying to do something to help your
family be better off than they otherwise would, which is
why I want to know more details. But again, I
also think you have to be fair of the police
because the police oftentimes don't get their full story told.
(33:15):
How many times have we seen a viral story where
the police are the bad guy and the police are
the bad guys here, and then the details come out
and it's like, well, the kids are there for an
hour and a half. I wouldn't even say the police
to the back. It might it might be It's kind
of like with a teacher in school sometimes they don't
have any police. Might it might be mandatory because of
the age of the one year old, no parental So
(33:37):
I actually don't blame the officers without knowing what all
the facts are and being on that, I'm not blaming
the officers like there's a lot. That's the bottom line
here is what's the age at which you're allowed to
leave a kid in public alone and not get arrested?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Your old I would be okay with some of you
are going to say this, but it might not be
what It may actually be a function of law in
some states. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I don't think they would have arrested him if it
had just been at ten and a six year old.
I think the one year old is the tough part here.
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Speaker 1 (36:03):
Got a bunch of calls, a bunch of people weighing in.
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Speaker 3 (36:08):
Oh, people are are firing up to this one. You're
not up to speed? Oh is it the end of
the guys, We're gonna have to I just realized we're
at the end. And yeah, yeah, we'll take some calls
top of the hour. We'll break all this down. Yeah, yeah,
Well we'll jump into this because we want to hear
from all of you. We got every line lit tons
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Speaker 2 (36:26):
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that it could come out today.
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Who's going to be buying?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Clay's going to start popping up on Jim Kramer's show
at this You know, you see him on Fox all
the time. All of a sudden, Kramer's gonna be like Clay,
buy or sell.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I'll probably be better at it than Kramer, based on
his track record, La Point
Welcome back in out number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
(00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling
through the Wednesday edition of the program. Bunch of news
stories out there. We talked about the Florida special elections
Florida six Florida one, both Republican wins by around fifteen points.
Appreciate everybody who got out and voted there. Wisconsin judge lost. Unfortunately,
(00:26):
the Supreme Court will be in the control of Democrats.
That could have consequences unfortunately when it comes to redistricting,
potentially costing Republicans a couple of different seats depending on
how things play out there. I will say very positive result,
which is getting some attention, probably deserves more. Overwhelmingly, Wisconsin
(00:48):
voters said you should have to show a photo ID
to vote, which seems like basic common sense to me
but has become an opposition issue of paramount importance to
the Democrat Party. But actually vast majorities of voters believe
that that should be a law, that we should make
(01:09):
sure that those who are voting are who they say
they are, and it's a bare minimum to require somebody
to show up and produce a license or a passport
or some form of identification in order to cast your ballot,
and overwhelming numbers of Wisconsin voters believe that. In fact,
Ryan Gerdusky, I saw our data analyst guru as part
(01:31):
of the Clay and Buck podcast network, said around two
hundred thousand Wisconsin voters voted both for there to be
a voter ID requirement and for the left wing judicial nominee.
So I think what that reflects is that even Democrats
believe that that amendment should be law, and so hopefully
(01:55):
in the years ahead, as Wisconsin has become ultimate battle
ground state, it was the closest of all the states
in the twenty twenty four election, It was very close
in twenty sixteen twenty twenty Senate races, coming down to
thousands of votes in one direction or the other. Hopefully
that will allow Wisconsin elections going forward to be more
(02:16):
reliable than they otherwise would be. Trump four o'clock Eastern
scheduled to announce his tariff decision. I will say, if
you use the stock market as any sort of proxy,
stock market actually having a good day, suggesting perhaps that
there is not going to be as much of an
(02:37):
economic impact as some investors had feared stock market s
and P five hundred up about a percent today, which
is a not inconsequential number. And for those of you
out there who pay attention to this on a regular basis,
the stock market is roughly the same place that it
was on election Day, so about six months. It has
(02:58):
come down certainly from where was in February, but it's
about the same place it was six months ago.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now, other news, there has.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Been a release buck and I was reading it during
the last commercial break. The Covenant School shooting. This is
the transgender shooter, the trans terrorist in Tennessee, my hometown
of Nashville, who shot up a Christian school. There is
finally a report out about the motivations of that shooter,
(03:28):
and I want to read some of these for you
because I do think it's important for everybody out there
to be aware of what exactly took place. First of all,
this shooter chose this location, particularly because of the Christian school,
and I'm reading from the official report released by Metro
(03:52):
Nashville Police. Even though she was concerned the layout of
the school would give students and faculty more play to
hide and more time to flee, she was emboldened by
the idea students were too young to effectively fight back
or flee far she believed. This is a direct quote
(04:15):
from the report that was just released in the last
few minutes. She believed the Christian faith of those within
would make them meek and afraid, which further assuaged her
self doubts. The age of the children and the school
being considered a Christian school made her recognize the instant
(04:39):
notoriety the attack would bring. This is also particularly difficult. Again,
I'm reading from the report she initially planned to attack
another school in April of twenty twenty one, the April
thirteenth of twenty twenty one, whelmingly, And I'm trying to
(05:01):
avoid using this woman's name because the report says that
she was focused on trying to have international notoriety. And
she initially chose April thirteenth, twenty twenty one as her
attack date because it was the exact same day as
the Columbine attack in Colorado April thirteenth of nineteen ninety nine.
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She considered it a fitting tribute to the memory of
those two killers. She then decided to postpone her attack
to get additional training on her firearm to ensure she
would be proficient with it to kill as many people
as possible. I mean, this is an awful human being.
This is from the report this is a demon. On
(05:47):
April eighth, twenty twenty one, she canceled the attack on
that school changed her target to Covenant, this Christian school.
She then listed the pros and cons for each target
in her notebook books, focusing on the physical structure, security
of each location, agent backgrounds, and the public reaction she
(06:07):
would receive. Based on this analysis, listen to how chilling
this is. She chose the Covenant School as the better
target for three reasons. One, Covenant was more geographically isolated
than this other middle school, which she felt would give
her more time to kill. Covenant was a private Christian school.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
She believed she would.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Receive more notoriety for killing Christians due to the student
body at Creswell Middle being predominantly black. She was afraid
she would be seen as racist, which would affect how
much control she had over the narrative after her death
and allow others to state her motive beyond the attack.
(06:58):
I mean, buck, this is pure evil. She is a
trans left wing terrorist who intentionally targeted Christian kids because
she thought it would be a better narrative.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
She also not go after a school because she was
concerned that she would be viewed as racist.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, that's exactly what it says, right, Yeah, is concerned
that she would be.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
She was steeped in left wing thinking, even when she
was she was plotting the mass murder of defenseless children,
She's like, well, I'm going to kill a bunch of kids,
but I want them to be kids who are Christian
and I and I don't want anyone to think that
I'm racist, though, yes, think about that. Everybody she is
(07:43):
or was, thankfully exactly what we knew she was right away,
and they hid this from us for months and months
and months exactly why we thought, because the system, even
in a state like Tennessee this is, does not want
us to start to think about Hold on a second,
(08:04):
is there is there anything here with her being trans
and psychiatric dysfunction and violence, and you know, no one's
allowed to even consider that. At this time, when she
did this shooting, there was a whole theory on the
left that was being expanded on in the media that
there was a genocide and that was the term, that
(08:24):
they would use a genocide of trans people, that the
Christian right was perpetrating, and that states were engaged in
this horrible behavior of stopping the gender mutilation, the genital
mutilation of children because of the trans agenda, and she
chose the targets based upon her left wing ideology. She
(08:47):
did this at a time when the Democrat mainstream, the
mainstream Democrat party was arguing in favor of transing kids
and if you tried to stop this, if you're a parent,
maybe the kids should be taken from you by this,
And that there was violence against trans people as some
kind of national epidemic. All wise, all nonsense, I might add.
(09:08):
So everything that we thought was true about this monster,
now it comes out it was true, and all that
stuff about how all we can't know, and yeah, we
can know. We should have known this right away. They
held it for political reasons. We knew it the whole time,
and there should be some accountability for the politics that
were played here because the public had a right to
(09:30):
know and holding it this long was done not for
public safety, not for privacy, but for politics.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm reading and continuing to read.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is a forty eight page report that has just
been released by the Metro Nashville Police. I am going to,
you know, continue, I'm going to share this so if
you want to go read it yourself. Again, this individual
wanted to be famous, so I think trying not to
use names, trying not to make her famous, because that's
the reason that she did this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
They say.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Buck Sixteen notebooks were seized, two found within her vehicle
after her death, the other fourteen inside the bedroom in
her residence, all sorts of details about the planning of
this particular attack. And she went to a school without
an armed resource officer, armed security. There were schools with
(10:26):
armed security. The school she went to didn't have armed security.
Another thing I might add that we're not somehow allowed
to talk about that she specifically goes, oh, this school
is further from police help. There's no armed officer at
the school. She did target scouting of these locations beforehand,
that's right. And you know the people that are saying, oh,
but we're going to ban guns, they're idiots. They're not
(10:47):
going to stop anything. That's not going to help.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
But what might have helped, and what could help is
having a armed resource officer on campus, having security, having
concealed carrie for teachers who want to do so, you know,
who want to be able to protect their campus. And
they're you know, people that are that are getting Look,
I mean I conceal carrie, people that conceal carry. They're
(11:09):
walking around the in states where it's legal. They're walking
around the mall, keeping you safe, whether you know it
or not. They're walking around you know, crowded areas, keeping
you safe, whether you know it or not. The idea
that this should be banned from schools and that you
should even be like face imprisonment if you're a lawful
gun owner and even leave the gun in your trunk
of a of a because schools are gun free zones.
Gun free zones are idiotic. It is absurd that bad
(11:33):
guys don't care that it's a gun free zone. And
this again goes to show at Clay it's just isn't
The frustration here is they know this. It's hard to
get as much attention for that. Now that we have
the facts and can really discuss this, they don't, you know,
the laugh that wanted to you know, Oh, it's just
about don't demonize the trans community, or this is about
gun control or all the things that they want to say,
they said, and now that we can actually present the facts,
(11:56):
stories old, a lot of people have, you know, the
public consciousness obviously not the fan is the tragedies of
what happened here. But for a lot of the country's
attention right now not on this issue totally. And I'm
going to keep reading this during the break because i
think some of these details continue. She rated other mass
killers based on the number of people they killed. In
her documents what targets selected level of notoriety. She considered
(12:20):
offenders who killed a low number of people to be
amateurs who weren't worthy of her respect. H I mean,
this is an evil, evil person. I mean, just I'm
gonna read this. It's as demonic as choosing to murder
helpless children because they're helpless and because they're Christian, because
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their families might have some connection to God. I don't
know what could be more demonic than this. Just God
blessed that officer who and both those officers who showed
us how it's done, who stopped the threat, who ran
into that building. We all saw it on video. They
didn't hesitate, they didn't pull a Uvoldy. They really there
were lives at risk, and they went in there and
(13:02):
they eliminated the threat and they took out the demon.
And they deserve so much credit for that. And I
know so many of you in law enforcement across the
country you would do exactly the same thing. And it's
good that we see that heroes can arise in the
midst of just the most depraved acts of evil, which
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On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, All right,
welcome back in to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know we were talking in the first hour quite
a bit about the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. Susan Crawford
beat Brad Schimmel fifty five percent of the vote to
forty five percent of the vote. We're getting a bunch
of talk backs on it and also emails, so I
wanted to address some of those. Where is the talkback guys,
(15:07):
where he's saying we are whitewashing.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
He's upset, he's a little upset, wants us to be
a little more hard on the Republicans here, So I
think we should address that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I think that's a fair b b BB. Thank you,
clan book.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
You guys are really whitewashing the Wisconsin results. Republicans were
caught flag play. Where was their ground game? How come
didn't get out the vote? This was totally unacceptable and
it was not necessarily okay.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So just so everyone's clear the we're obviously we're disappointed
by this, and it's ten It was ten points. Brad
Shimmel got one million, sixty three thousand votes. Susan Crawford
got one point three million, so two hundred giver about
two hundred and forty thousand more votes than Brad Shimmel.
(15:59):
Shimmel's one point point zero six million votes is higher
than any Democrat vote total in the history of the
Wisconsin Supreme Court. According to Seth keshel here, on political
analyst who follows this up on X I'm gonna check
that number, but I can tell you this, Yeah, No,
Republicans didn't win this one. Democrats had a better ground gate,
(16:23):
there are ballot dropboxes. Democrats were very hyped up on this.
Wisconsin was the tightest state for Trump in the last election,
so yeah, this was going to be uphill. I also,
you know, I'm a big Elon fan in general. I
don't know if Elon was helpful in Wisconsin specifically. I'm
(16:44):
not sure how that plays among Wisconsinites, that he became
very sort of front and center in this clay.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Look, also, I mean the turnout, this is what I
think you have to focus on to a large extent.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
She got one point three million votes and he got
roughly one So Trump got right at one point seven
million votes. Kamala Harris got one point six six eight
million votes, So you're talking about roughly a million more
people voted in the twenty twenty four presidential election than
voted in this Wisconsin election. So it wasn't just Democrats
(17:23):
and it wasn't just Republicans not showing up. I mean
Trump got seven hundred thousand, nearly more votes than this
Wisconsin this Wisconsin judge did, and the winning judge, the Democrat,
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We're rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program and Buck,
there's a major viral controversy out there and it has
turned into a really sort of cultural flashpoint. You have
the facts, I think in front of you right now.
But there was a dad who was trying to get
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to a job interview, and he had three young kids
and he took them to McDonald's. The interview was close
to the McDonald's. The kids are ten years old, four
years old and one year old, ten six in one, okay,
ten six and one, and he left them at the
McDonald's to do the interview.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Where did this take place?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So this was in Augusta, Georgia, and it was one
of those McDonald's that has the attached playground, right and
so he and it was right next to her. The
job interview is This guy's twenty four years old, Chris Lewis.
He's a father, He's a black guy. Augusta, Georgia. Ten
year old, six year old, one year old children. He
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went to go to the interview, and when he came back,
somebody had called the police on the fact that these
three kids we were in the playground and since this,
and he was arrested. Okay, they arrested him. They didn't
just sort of give him a ward, and they arrested him.
And now this has gotten a lot of attentions. People
are saying, hold on a second. You know, he doesn't
(20:21):
have money for a babysitter. His family situation is difficult.
He's trying to get a job, to do things the
right way, to put money, you know, in the bank account,
food on the table for the kids and himself, and
you're gonna arrest this guy and give him a record
over this. A lot of people are saying, you know,
ten ten years if you go to just throw this
out there. I haven't done this, but my little brother
(20:43):
went for a visit. There's like eight year olds riding
the subway alone in Tokyo. Oh, okay, I mean this,
and like all not just Tokyo, like all over Japan.
There are cultures where eight, nine, ten year olds move
about freely. And I think it actually says a lot
more that we're also have to be so freaked out
out in this country that a ten year old is
going to be kidnapped in public. You know, it says
(21:04):
a lot more about how we need to work on
public safety here.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But okay, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I gotta say? I find myself in the you know,
I think this is I don't think the guys should
have been arrested. I think the cops probably should say, hey, man, like,
you know, keep it, you know, keep it closer, eye
on your kids. You know, you know, bad things gonna happen.
I don't think you should have been arrested. I certainly
I think they're good. The judge is going to dismiss
the charges. A lot of big name uh celebrities have
(21:29):
gotten involved in this. What do you think I mean? Basically, Okay,
a ten year old maybe that's too is a twelve
year old too young?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I got I've got three kids that would have
been at some point in time roughly akin to these ages. Right,
at one point, I had a ten year old, a
six year old, and a two year old or some
something like that. So I had three boys around these ages.
I need more info. How long were they at the
McDonald's right that factors into me on some level. The
(21:59):
one and I think most parents are going to flag this.
A one year old is really really young. So is
it like a one year old, meaning it's a twelve
month old, or is it like a one year old
and it's a twenty two month old. The reason why
I bring up the one year old is one year
olds need diapers changed. They is the ten year old
changing the diaper? Like? How long was the dad there
(22:21):
with the leaving the kids. I'm just gonna go out
on a I don't think he was. I'm just guessing.
I don't think he was going for like three hours
of interviews at McKenzie or something like. I probably would
sit down with a guy talk to him for fifteen
or twenty minutes. That's the question, you know what I mean.
I would not standard again, not casting any dispersions, but
I think it's probably a pretty standard job interview.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I don't think they were asking him to do a
multi variable calculus.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The ten year old in general, every other every parent
out there is going to understand this too. There's a
wide range of ten year olds when it comes to
their responsibility, Like some ten year olds are I mean
that's fifth grade. Some can be I've got a ten
year old right now, fourth grade again, and you don't
know exactly when they're turning.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Are they old about to be eleven? Now?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, you know what if, for example, if he had
said just throw this out there, if he had said
to one of the employees at McDonald's, hey, can you
keep it? Can you keep an eye with my kids?
I'll be back in twenty minutes. I've just got to
run down the street for a job interview. Can you
keep an eye on them? Everybody cool with that? Everybody
that would actually draw more attention to you not being there. Well,
but but you know, I'm just so, what what are
(23:26):
the so?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I want to know?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So, first of all, I don't think the guy should
be arrested, but again I want to know more info
because as more info comes out, sometimes the cops look
more reasonable.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What if the kids were there for two hours?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What if what if the one year old was crying
and the ten year old couldn't get it to stop,
and eventually they had to say, like, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hearing to the Augusta Press, it was a short time
and he came back immediately. Now, what is a short time.
I mean a short time is not two hours. I
think you know, less than an hour is a short
time in my mind for this kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
So maybe the kids are there. Let's assume they're there.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He's trying to do The point is, I think intent matters.
He's trying to take care of his family. You don't
know what might have happened with the babysitter. Did somebody
gets sick then grandma and not be able to help out, Like.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's not like, you know, he left the kids so
we could go to a strip club in the middle
of the day or so.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think it's also right.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
But I'm just saying, you know, the public sympathy for
someone trying to show up for an interview, trying to
get a job, trying to earn money the right way
is substantial here.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, I think it's a tough spot.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I would not have Again, I always want to give
the cops benefit of the doubt because so many of
these stories go viral and then more details come out
and you're like, oh, it was two hours, and oh
it was a baby and the baby was crying and
people were concerned about I think the ten and the
six year old it wouldn't have been noticed because I
think the ten and the six year old one the
one year old that throws theah, that's very I mean
(24:53):
ten and six year olds can go to the bathroom
on their own, they can play inside of a play
area on their own. A lot of ten year olds
aren't responsible enough to watch a one year old. Again,
it could be a one year old that's almost two
in the one year old's playing in the in the
area itself too. But I'm sympathetic to the dad because
or the mom. And this I would also just say
(25:13):
keep in mind because it's ad a McDonald's with the
attached playground.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
There are not only just people, but there are adults
who work there. Who are you know you assume the
ten Again, Look, it's clearly not a perfect situation. It
was not the right move. But is it a arrestable
you get a criminal record?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Move?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is really where people have that whole lot.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Of second No, I don't think it's an arrestable move,
and I think it's a warning. And again I want
to know more details. I would love to hear from
the guy. Has he done an interview yet? Like this
is something that I think would be he's got to
go fund me. That's kicking up. Okay, well, I like
the GoFundMe. But we have a huge audience in Augusta.
I think we have nearly the number one radio show
in Augusta, Georgia. Masters are coming up soon. I bet
(25:56):
there's people who own businesses that would be interested in
hiring this guy if again, he's got the willingness to
try to put his family first. So yeah, that's the point.
I think you said the word intent, and I think
that that needs to be always such in most statutes.
It is not always, but I think it should always
(26:19):
at least be taken into account before you're going to
charge somebody and give somebody a possibly a criminal record.
People trying to do the right thing, absent recklessness or
you know, some very specific set of circumstances should certainly
be always taken as a mitigating factor, like I wasn't
trying to do anything wrong. I was actually trying to
do a good thing and had an error of judgment,
(26:40):
you know, And look, judges do take this into I
don't think this guy is gonna end up getting a
criminal record. I think also again it's also the case
every single parent has had this happen where you try
to do everything right and you've got a babysitter and
you've got somebody to watch your kid, and it doesn't happen.
Every single parent listening to me right now has had
(27:01):
grandma or an aunt or a babysitter scheduled and then
at the last possible moment, you get a call babysitter sick,
babysitter just isn't that reliable, doesn't show up. And this guy,
if he had the interview again, I would love to
hear the full story because I think we could get
this guy hired in Augusta, Georgia, just based on our Augusta,
(27:21):
Georgia listenership. If the story is as it has been reported,
and he's trying to bust his ass to help take
care of three young kids, and he knows he has
to get this job, what other options do he have?
It's hot, right, you don't want to leave the kids
in the car, because God forbid, that's way more dangerous.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Safety issue as a whole set. That would be child
and dangermin no question.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Now, you could show up at the interview with the
kids and be like, Hey, this is why I need
the job so bad. But again, like he probably doesn't
want to look like desperate or unreliable that you need
to bring bringing your kids to a job interview. What
is the what is the age at which you are
(28:03):
free and clear to let a child stay, you know,
stay either well, I think home is probably different than
in a public totally different. R So, but what what
would be the age at which we would all say, oh,
it's fine that you let your kids stay alone at
McDonald's while you went down the block for an hour?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Is it? Is it thirteen? An hour? Everybody? Hour is
a long time? The ten and the six year old?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think a lot of parents would say McDonald's playground.
If suddenly you had to run next door for twenty minutes,
you wouldn't want to do it. Dad, by the way,
way more likely to do it than mom. Let's be honest,
like dad, dads have a little bit higher risk tollards
for kids than mom does. But I think a lot
of dad's ten and six. It's the one that I
(28:50):
come back to. Yeah, the one is that one year
old is like, I mean, you're in a you're basically
in a carrying case. If you're a young one year
old if you're one and a half. I mean when
one year old was in a stroller basically in the shade. Again,
we don't know all the details of the situation. One
year on the stroller, they're in the playground.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
If I were him, I would have said, hey, could
you keep it in again? Well, I would have tried
not to do this whole thing, obviously, but in a
worst worst case spaces like oh my god, my house
is burning down and need to run down the street,
I think I would have told somebody McDonald's, hey, could
you just give me a solid and keep an eye
on my kids, you know, because you can see them
from well.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Again, I would love this talk to this guy to
find out that details. Presumably another parent is the one
who raised the issue, was their kids? Where the kids
misbehaving inside of the play area? The details matter a lot. Yeah,
you know, so for some reason that did the kids
look like they were distressed? Where they all was wandering?
Were they crying? And they felt like they were abandoned?
(29:44):
I guess they don't know everything. One of the parents
there say where's your dad or your mom? And they're like, oh,
he left us? So what is the age as a parent.
Where you are in America? Now?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Where you are?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I mean, I bet we can have people call in
who are like I was, you know eleven, I'm like
driving a pickup truck down the road. You know, we're
in a rural and like, you know, I know that
would have been forty or fifty years ago maybe, but
I think things have changed.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I think the standards are a lot different even than
when we were kids. I mean, I rode the school
bus home in fifth grade, got out, walked home, nobody
else was in the house. What are you like, twelve eleven?
I think, yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying, is
this kid fifth grade?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Fourth?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I've got a fourth grader now, yes, see, I think
it's I think a thirteen. I think if someone says, oh,
you know, can your thirteen year old be alone in
public for an hour without parental supervision under certain circumstances,
I think most people would say that thirteen is one
hundred percent right, like thirteen.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Year old of them all? And what right? Right?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
OK?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
But so I think I think the ten year old
is right on that level, because ten year old can
be fifth grade, ten year old can be fourth grade,
like you are relaxed. Also, does a kid have a phone,
you know, some ability to be contacted? And again, how
long were they actually left there? Did they buy food?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I think that factors in too, because if you own
McDonald and you just drop your kids off and you
don't buy any food, don't buy any drink, I think
people would say, you know, like, that's different too. I'd
be curious for any of if you're a parent and
you have a we want if you have a strong
take on this one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, he should have been arrested.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You can't do this reckless the one year old or
this is not Why would some because you know, Clay
and I have both been kind of going back and forth.
And if you think it's crazy he got arrested, he
wasn't trying. Let's hear from you on this.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And also if you're from law enforcement, I'm wondering if
you have any experience with this kind of thing and
where you draw the line. I'm probably in different states,
there's a different there are different guidelines about this, But
when is it It was like endangering a miner or something
like that was what he would Deprivation of a miner
was the charge he was arrested for. Okay, Well, is
that kind of up to the discretion of the officer
(31:47):
in a situation, you know, absent abuse, anything bad happening,
Is that up to the officer.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I'm kind of curious. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, and I'm curious on the responses. And again in Augusta,
this is a twenty four year old guy. Now it
says that he has a ten year old. It may
not be his kid, right, I mean, he may be
taking care of other people's kids. Maybe some of the
kids are his. I just need more information to have
a full on opinion on it. But what do they
always say? I think it's one hundred percent true. You
(32:13):
know who the best employees are men with kids, Man
with the kids. Man with a family is going to
show up and he's going to come to work. As
a general rule, more reliable than single guy?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Is vip email from Gary? Is this correct? How about
the fact that he's twenty four with a ten year
old kid?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, that's what it says. So I was just saying,
is it actually his? Is it actually his kid? The
oldest ten year old? Is he in charge of taking
care of multiple kids? Again, there are a lot of
detailed stuff. We stuff that need to be at there's
stuff we don't know definitely need to be fleshed out.
But I mean, there are people who have young kids,
(32:53):
have kids at young ages and are trying to do
the right thing. And to me, if you're trying to
get a job to take care of your family, intent
matters here. You're trying to do something to help your
family be better off than they otherwise would, which is
why I want to know more details. But again, I
also think you have to be fair of the police
because the police oftentimes don't get their full story told.
(33:15):
How many times have we seen a viral story where
the police are the bad guy and the police are
the bad guys here, and then the details come out
and it's like, well, the kids are there for an
hour and a half. I wouldn't even say the police
to the back. It might it might be It's kind
of like with a teacher in school sometimes they don't
have any police. Might it might be mandatory because of
the age of the one year old, no parental So
(33:37):
I actually don't blame the officers without knowing what all
the facts are and being on that, I'm not blaming
the officers like there's a lot. That's the bottom line
here is what's the age at which you're allowed to
leave a kid in public alone and not get arrested?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Your old I would be okay with some of you
are going to say this, but it might not be
what It may actually be a function of law in
some states. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I don't think they would have arrested him if it
had just been at ten and a six year old.
I think the one year old is the tough part here.
Job number one. Most of us out there protect our
families and the safety of our homes.
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