April 3, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the hosts cover several significant topics, starting with an interview with Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan. The discussion with Congressman Jordan focuses on President Trump's new tariffs, FBI reforms, and the issue of transgender athletes in sports. Jordan defends the tariffs, emphasizing their necessity to protect American jobs and industries from unfair foreign competition. He highlights the president's negotiation skills and the potential long-term benefits for the U.S. economy. Jordan also discusses internal FBI chat logs revealing a gag order on the New York Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop, criticizing the FBI's handling of the situation and praising the new leadership under Director Patel for his efforts to restore integrity and focus on traditional crime-fighting activities. Additionally, Jordan supports President Trump's decision to freeze funding to Maine for allowing trans athletes to compete against girls, framing it as a promise kept and commending individuals like Riley Gaines who have taken a stand against this policy.
Following the interview, Buck Sexton addresses listener concerns about the market's reaction to the new tariffs, playing a clip from CNBC that highlights the uncertainty and potential negative impacts on the market. Buck reassures listeners by emphasizing Trump's track record and negotiation skills. The hosts engage with listeners, addressing their concerns about the tariffs and the broader economic implications, providing insights into the potential benefits and challenges of the new tariffs and emphasizing the importance of long-term economic stability.
Buck then discusses the broader implications of the new tariffs, including their impact on national security. He highlights the importance of having a strong domestic industrial base to ensure national security, especially in times of global conflict. Buck provides historical context for the current economic policies, comparing them to past trade policies and their outcomes, arguing that Trump's approach is necessary to correct long-standing imbalances and protect American interests.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour play in buck kicks off now and Congressman
Jim Jordan joins us to talk about everything going on.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Congressman, always appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
You bet Bucket to be with you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Can we start? You know what? I want to have
you react to this? Okay? Over at CNBC, this is
cut eight.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
They are freaking out right now, and I wanted to
let you tell everybody how you're feeling about this.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
But let's play cut eight.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
This is the situation of the terriff assessment over there playing.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
The market reaction after hours. I've never seen anything like it. This,
I think fair to say is worse than the worst
case scenario of the tariffs that many in the market
expected the President to impose. And there's some question of
how the administration calculated the percentages that they're responding to
(00:51):
in each of these cases. Are they adding in value
added taxes? He talked about non tariff barriers as well,
So I think while many were hoping that this would
eliminate uncertainty, there's going to be more uncertainty in the market, worse.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Than the worst case scenario. Jim, what do you make
of it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Everyone needs to relax and you know the thing I
keep coming up with all these these foreign countries saying
they're going to do this if TARA and talking about
how bad it is. The president Tump does this, If
tariffs are so bad, why don't they just get rid
of the tariffs they have on all our products? I mean,
it's it's that's pretty basic. And frankly, that's the president's argument.
Why don't you show us the respect we've shown you.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
They won't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
He's saying, Okay, we're tired of taking it on the chin,
We're tired of manufacturing leaving this country. I mean, my
dad was a union worker for General Motors in Dayton, Ohio.
There used to be several plants GM plants in Dayton.
Now there's not, and and and the auto worker who
stood up yesterday with the I thought the President's of
March were great. The auto worker who stood up, I
think spoke for so many middle middle class, working class families.
(01:56):
Enough of this, Let's try something different, let's tell them
to quit sticking it to us, and let's look out
for the interest of the American family, the American worker,
in the American economy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So you have faith that this should play out and
that the president. I mean, how much of this, in
your mind do you think is just the ongoing negotiation
of it before we can even know what it is
that's going to be the final dispensation of where these
different tariff numbers are.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No. I think that's a good point. And we all
know that the President is is this great, is a
great negotiator. He's I think he believes in tariffs. He
certainly said that he used tariffs in the past. He
used it in his first term. I know he used
it on steel and it benefit and manufacturing in our
great state, particularly the Whirlpool facility in our one of
the many whirlpool facilities in our in our state. So
(02:46):
this shouldn't be a big surprise. You never had to
this degree. But like anything worth accomplishing, anything worth really achieving,
there's always some effort and some discipline and some toughness
involved with getting there. That's just the way life works.
I don't think this is any different. But I think
the American people see where the president wants to go.
Certainly working class people see where he wants to go.
(03:06):
They know what's happened in manufacturing, and I think there's
a trust level there with the President network. It'll be
maybe some difficult times here for a while, but I
think we get through it and we come out better
on the other side. And that's the whole point.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Someone else that caught my attention, Congressman, you are the
chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and you can speak
to this internal FBI chat law yes, showing that the
FBI imposed a gag order about the New York Post
story on the Hunter Biden laptop the day it came out.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh my, give us these details.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, first of all, we knew this from a deposition,
but this is the first time we've got the document.
So God bless the FBI. This is this is the
night and day difference between what we had before and
what we have under Cashptel and Pam Bondi the Justice Department.
But we had mister Brady Olso, one of the guys
mentioned in his chat that you can see it, but
he told us, he said, yeah, in a meeting that
these regular meetings that took place where the FBI would
(04:04):
go talk to big tech and they'll run up to
the twenty twenty presidential election, and they were prepping them
on all that there might be an information operation, it
might come from a foreign country. They were prepping them
on what they knew could happen, because they had the
laptop and they knew it was real. That one of
these meetings, the day that this comes up is October fourteenth.
It comes up and someone says is the laptop reel?
And the FBI confirms it. Someone spoke out of turn.
(04:27):
They quickly get together, get their story straight, and from
that point on they say no comment. And then they
even have in the chat. The one that stuck out
with me was where they said Twitter is treating this
story as disinformation. They treated as disinformation because you prepped
them for that and you knew it was real. This
just demonstrates what we knew all along that the FBI
(04:48):
wasn't being square with the American people.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Now, how confident are you in the ability for that
entity to be reformed? I know you have a lot
of faith in Director Patel and Deputy Director Bonjino, but
they're taking as it's an unwieldy and problematic operation. They're
taking over what are some of the things that you
think need to get done over there, not only to
clean house internally, but to help restore faith for the
(05:14):
American people in a federal la enforcement institution that we
need to function at the highest level and without partisan agenda.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, already two things have happened. One, they're beginning to
move people out of the third of the FBI agents
we're in DC area. Well that's not where all the
crime takes place. I mean enough takes place in this area.
But so they're moving them out and focusing more on
traditional going after traditional bad guys versus this surveillance on
American citizens. So that's one huge step in the right
direction that Director Bettel and Dana put in into place. Second,
(05:44):
I just know what we've gotten in the in the
first few weeks that he's been running the FBI. We
said seven subpoenas over there five weeks ago. The response
the documents we're getting is, like I said, it's night
and day compared to what we got under Chris Ray,
what we got under Merrick Garland at the Justice Department.
So there's just two examples of where they're already changing
how that place operates, saying we're going to get the
(06:05):
truth and we're going to get the facts of the
American people, answer the questions that they have, and we're
going to put our agents on actually stopping you know,
the crime activity that that is that we traditionally associate
with the FBI, mafia, organized clan money, launching, all those things,
versus again buying on the American people.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Talking to Congress and Jim Jordan from Ohio, and one
thing that I think a congressman, that is interesting to
see how President Trump is staying on this and not
not moving, not moving the agenda very much from what
he said it would be the.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Freeze on funding to Maine.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Remember there was that little back and forth with the
governor of Maine and the President where she was she
was talking tough about you know, I'll see you in court,
and he was like, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I love court, let's go to court.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And now the Trump administration is freeze funding to Maine
for letting trans athletes compete again and girls by you know, men,
biological man or teenagers competing against girls. It feels like
promise made, promise kept on this one. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, this is this is why the American people appreciate
the President. I say this all the time. We make
the job too complicate.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
What to tell the voters?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You were going to do when you ran for it.
If they elect you do what you said. And this
is president he told it. It's not like you told us.
It wasn't going to be a doge ef. It's not
like you told us he wasn't going to run that.
It's not like you told us he wasn't for caraffs
and he was tired of being being taken advantage by
other countries. And it's not like he told us that.
You know, he thinks, like the vast majority of Americans
that you know, guys shouldn't be competing against girls in sports.
(07:36):
I mean, so he's doing what he said, and I
think so many Americans just appreciate that. And he says
this all the time. And we've talked about this buck.
But like we're the Party of common sense, it's common
sense to take to have a border. The left of
party are crazy. It's crazy not to have a border.
It's crazy to say boys to compete against girls in sports.
It's crazy to to to I mean, to take a
(07:58):
plane and a judge say, turned the plane around. Bring
the bad guys back here who were illegal part of
an organized terrorist organization, the most dangerous gang on the planet.
Turned that plane around and bring it back. That's crazy.
So the President is all for doing the common sense
things that he campaigned on, and one of them was
the issue with the governor made and he's sticking to it,
(08:19):
and God bless him for doing it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Did you see this, this female fencer who took a
knee instead of competing against a male opponent. She was
disqualified for this, And I just think that one, it's
a brave thing to do for this young woman to
do it, but also it's the right thing to do.
People should not women should not subject themselves to this anymore.
There should be I think a campaign to opt I mean,
(08:42):
you were a college athlete, there should be a campaign
to opt out.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, I agree, you know, And God blessed Riley Gaines
what she's done, the President's executive order that he signed
about five six weeks ago. But you need people who
are courageous like this, this young lady who's stood up.
I guess in this situation she knelt down and said no,
we're not going there. And and Riley Gaines, who started
this in others, everyone instinctively knows this is wrong, particularly
(09:10):
parent of young ladies who are competing in sports who
are working hard to it. We had two daughters, both
were athletes. I mean, that's it's just ridiculous and everyone
gets it. But if the left wants to defend it
from a political standpoint, I don't think it helps them.
This one more example of the crazy positions the left
now takes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And I'm just asking for your your sense of it, right,
I know that you can't really know, but I'm curious
what your perception is of it among Democrat House colleagues.
You know, when you see how they have to take,
what positions they take on this issue of the transgender
sports stuff. Is it more that they actually believe this
(09:51):
or more that they're just afraid of the crazies within
their party who think that this is the new civil
rights crusade.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It's the latter. It's you know, it's the old.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Some politicians when they get asked a question, it's a
yeah for that next question please, that they just want
to move on. They just want to like, uh, kind
of ignore it. But I think it's more of the latter. Now,
there are some I mean the heart I always say,
not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls
their party is and that's where the energy is in
the party. It's it's the it's the radical left, and
they're they're driving this stuff. So I think many of
(10:23):
them just kind of put the head down and move on,
don't want to deal with it, and helps less leave
them alone. But there are some. There are some who
truly believe that you should just let it happen with
them like it. That's great.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
It is crazy, is not, and that is the only
way to describe it. It is a it is a nonsane,
insane thing to believe. And and the fact that this
continues on is it's just I think the Democrat Party
has to carry this around and they're not gonna They're
not gonna be able to win this issue because they're
wrong and because they're lying. Well, you know, usually now
we'd get to like clays out, today's playing golf, you know,
(10:57):
as one does. It is having a good time. So
usually we'd ask a sports question. I actually have a
nerd question for you, but you know how the budget
process and the money stuff works. You mentioned Doge, So sorry,
Usually now we'd have some fun, but instead I'm like,
let's let's take out the calculator.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Way, though, you should go with us next time we go.
You should go to the NWA wrestling with this next
It was. There was some boring matches early, but the
heavyweight match was so you got to come with us
next time. Oh, I would love to wet. You got
to come with us next time we go to that.
It's a fun time, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
My my primary school in New York actually wrote about
this on X used to require everybody in the winter
season for sports to do wrestling, and I thought it
was a great It.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Was great, No, I mean it, it was great. Like it was.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We all learned the basics and we had tournaments and
then Jim Classic. Of course, they got rid of it
about ten years after I graduated because people thought it
was too violent. You know, there was this whole oh
the parrots. Yeah, wrestling was too violent, you know. Anyway,
it was. It's kind of crazy. Okay, wait my NERD question. Yes,
I'd love to go to the wrestling NERD question. Though
important you mentioned Dough. I see all this stuff about
(12:01):
the cuts. How much of this is Trump can cut
as executive chief, and how much of it is those
identifying where there should be cuts that you and your
colleagues in Congress are going to have to figure out
and the budgets of the money actually gets taken out again, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
More of the latter.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
We're gonna have to do a recision package.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
The way the recision package works is the White House
sends it to Capitol Hill, so it's different. Normally, all
spending and taxing bills obviously start in the Congress, specifically
in the House. Under the constitution, taxing and spending is
the House representatives, the body close to the people. But
this is something where you want to rescind money that's
already been appropriated. The White House sends it to Capitol
Hill and says, these things are ridiculous. Can you rescind this?
(12:43):
And the beauty of a recision package is you only
need fifty votes in the Senate. You don't need to
get to the supermajority of sixty. So we're waiting for
that package. We've been pushing and urging the White House
to get us that package. I would have loved to
have done this in steps, even like last week. It
had been nice to have a bill that simply said
no more money goes to NPR. You may have followed
this the lady's of course, by the CEO. She was terrible.
(13:06):
She said it was eighty seven to zero, eighty seven
Democrat editors at NPR in the DC area zero Republicans,
according to one of their journals who worked there twenty
five years, who was an award winning journalist. She did
that research and gave that data, and I asked her
a question. I said, are you guys unbiased? He goes,
we're unbiased. I said, to eighty seven to zero, It's
not forty four to forty three. It's eighty seven to zero.
(13:27):
But there's still I mean, it was ridiculous. So it'd
been nice to have a recision package on that. Just
let's just get rid of NPR, start there and then
just keep building. But I think the White House is
going to put it together in a bigger package. They
send it to us and then we.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Have a vote, and he sends someone that might might
be just roughly time wise.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I am hoping sooner round. I mean, we keep urging
the White House to do it. I know some of
my colleagues have talked to Russ Vote and ob so
we wanted as soon as possible. I don't know exactly
when that's in. But they tell they keep tell us
they're working on it, putting it together.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Conxon Jim Jordan, Oh wait one, because you know Clay
would want me to ask you this, who's going to
win the March Madness thing?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
You know, I followed a little last week when it
was six, you know, sweet sixteen lead eight. I kind
of like the Florida team, but I mean, there we go.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You know you're joining You're joining the Clay and Buck choice.
We both picked Florida to win, so there we go.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, I kind of liked them when I watched I
watched them play, and uh, you know, I was kind
of hoping for Michions date kind of sticking.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
With the big My wife is a gator and I
have a baby coming next week, so you know, happy wife,
especially happy wife with new baby, so we go go
gators around this house for sure. Congressant Jim Jordan. Always
appreciate you man, Thanks for making the time.
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Speaker 1 (16:29):
We've got a lot of calls coming in and also
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Speaker 2 (16:33):
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got Chris in Manhattan, where I was born and raised.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
What's going on, Chris good Afternoons? I Mean, I know
I'm one of millions of people, but I'm absolutely terrified
about what he's doing because he admits he's gambling with
the economy. But if it doesn't work, the Democrats are
just going to dismantle everything he did and go back
the other way. People aren't thinking long term. It's like,
(17:05):
what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Not?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Okay, I'm seventy one, and in five or six years
I'll be happier. It doesn't work that way. My mother's
ninety six and she's at home crying over what's going
on in the stock market.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
She hates Trumble.
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I voted for Trump three times.
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I got it.
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Well, I'm sorry that the thank you Christopher calling in.
I'm sorry that your your mother's upset about this. But
you can tell her that theever degree it'll help that
I'm telling her it's gonna be fine. There's no and
you shouldn't worry either. Trump knows what he's doing. Okay,
he knows what he's doing when it comes to the economy.
He has proven that. And is there some risk in this, Yeah,
(17:39):
there's some risk in it. But look at what Elon says.
If we don't start taking these risks, there's a certainty
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that I wasn't expecting to get into.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But there is this.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Core of very dedicated individuals out there, maybe too dedicated,
but very zealous in their policing of pronunciation. I don't
even know if they have a uniform that they wear,
but they certainly approach their job with all the tenacity
(19:29):
of like a Turkish prison guard or something, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I mean, they're really intense.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And here the pronunciation police out of this is twin
Citi's listener, Jason Listens on KTLK. He says that I
need to get pulled over, and I'm getting written up
right now. I'm getting a ticket for my pronunciation on
well play CC talk.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I'm really disappointed in you. You are choosing to follow
everybody else pronouncing it torn It's not tournament? Is tournament turnament?
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Is that really a thing? Or is he pulling my leg?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Is there like a is there a tournament for the
craziest pronunciation police?
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Because if so? He wins.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I don't know that that's not even I've never heard
that's a thing. I do think it's funny. Occasionally, some
of you will tell me that I get yelled at
for either having a New York accent, too much of
a New York accent, or not having any New York accent,
depending on where the pronunciation police might find me in
any given day. So as I am for three hours
rolling through your speed traps, I guess I am at
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your mercy.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So the pronunciation police came from that one.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And since we're doing a little bit of ombudsman work here,
I do want to And of course Clays out having
a great time sending me photos on the golf course.
You know he's a you know, big hitter of the clay.
You know he's sending it three hundred yards plus. I'm
sure one handed drinking Mark Careed is here. I am
trying to save freedom, democracy America, you know, as one does.
(21:06):
And I have to return to a story that we
talked about yesterday solo. So I'm here in the trench.
The artillery rounds are falling all around me. I'm here
in the trench, and my buddy Clay is out on
the golf course. The story yesterday about McDonald's the dad
he left the kids. Now, I just before we go
(21:27):
back to this, I want to be clear about something,
all right, I want to be clear about something. The
real discussion was just about how old is it reasonable
and even legal, depending on the state, to leave your
kids unattended? And I thought that was interesting. For example,
we had a call and that was why it was
such a talker, and so many of you were weighing in.
(21:48):
It's why we had someone one of our listeners from Illinois,
I believe, say you got to be at least fourteen.
See that's high. I thought thirteen would would be more
or less. If you're thirteen, you're allowed to be alone,
you know, like you can be unsupervised by your parents legally.
Whether it's a good idea or not, depending on where
you are, that's a separate but it's very contextual, right.
And some of the cops who called in, not pronunciation police,
(22:11):
but actual police.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
They called in and they said, look, it really it's
about the totality of the circumstance and you know what's
going on here and all this okay, So with all
that said, it turns out that this fellow mister Chris Lewis,
who became a cause among some celebrities a go fund
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me for him, charged with deprivation of a minor a
couple of weeks ago for leaving his kids one, six
and ten years old at the restaurant. Turns out they
were there for an hour and a half, which is
a long time. This was not I need to run
into the office across the street for fifteen minutes. I'll
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be right back. It was an hour and a half.
That is strike one. Strike two is that now It
is not believed that he was in fact interviewing for
a job, but earlier in the day had interviewed for
a job.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So here you go.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Security footages from New York Post captured Lewis walking around
the hotel at one thirty, but not around four to
thirty when he allegedly left his kids at the fast
food joint. Two eagle eyed customers saw the three kids
inside the restaurant at four thirty pm, Lewis talked to
someone on the phone. Customers heard Lewis say he needed
to drop something off before he left the store and
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the unaccompanied kids. For nearly ninety minutes. The customers reported
the odd exchange to police. Lewis's oldest daughter told police
she and her family had walked to the McDonald's from
an apartment complex less than a mile down the road
where her mother lived. The girl allegedly claimed her father
frequently left them alone when he was watching them. Ten
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year old girl told officials her dad had a backpack
and was supposed to deliver it to their mom. Her
daughter contacted fitchardo, I don't know who that's sorry how
over social media told her to go to McDonald's. Lewis
claimed he was at the apartments looking for her, but
never did any During his delivery, Lewis reportedly lost his
id retracing his steps. Sheriff's office stood by the arrest,
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asserting that Lewis was not attending a job interview at
the time of his arrest, and he just left his
children unattended. The GOFUNDI got him seventy five thousand dollars
in twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Now, okay, So for those of you who were a
little skeptical of.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The story, congratulations or skepticism was correct. Now we said yesterday,
there's a lot of details, a lot you can go
back and listen.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm not I'm not like doing a moonwalk here. I'm
not just going.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, we knew that there were things we didn't know,
but the initial story on this was not correct. The
facts were not correct, and law enforcement was correct. That's
what That's what we find out, right. It wasn't a
job interview. Left his kids alone for an hour and
a half, leaves them alone a lot, not safe, not.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Good, And there you have it. So I wanted to
return to it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I didn't want to get up because there was I
think a lot of people yesterday the way the story
was presented. Oh this guy, hard working guy, trying to
do the right thing for his family, last minute childcare
crisis left him in a McDonald's just gone for a second,
a short while. Remember, now we can go back and
look at some of the early media reporting on this,
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which we were relying on. I wasn't there a short while.
Ninety minutes is not a short while. Okay, remember yesterday
I said it short while. I think that's probably I
mean fifteen to twenty minutes is a short while, Like
twenty is max when you're leaving her, And that would
be the big problem in Clay identified this one. I'm
doing this like like one of those films, those JFK
(25:54):
films where they like pull apart every aspect and every
but I think we spell this got you.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
All so far up yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
We had so many emails, so many calls, and what
was fascinating. And I love these kinds of conversations. People
calling in saying it is it's crazy to even consider
we had this. Some of you listening, crazy to even
consider resting this guy for this not that big a deal,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Other people are this is madness.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, these kids could have been abducted or something terrible.
You know, absolutely, so very people have very strong feelings
on both ends of this one. But those of you
who are saying, yeah, I don't buy it, you were right.
It's not what happened. What happened is he did something
reckless and the cops were in the right and you know,
I don't know. I guess does he here's a question,
does he get to keep the seventy five thousand dollars
(26:44):
for the GoFundMe. That's I'd be wondering if he's not
the working class hero who just did what he could
and is being treated roughly by law enforcement in the moment.
If that's not true, does he still I feel like
he probably does get to keep the money.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't know what the rules are on that, but
I did just want to tell you all that we
filowed this up. Also want to thank We have an
affiliate station in Augusta and they reached out and said, hey, guys,
hey guys, there's more. So we knew as soon as
we talked about the story on the air that there
was going to be more stuff coming out. And remember
I told you I was not I was not blaming
law enforcement. I said, you know, we gotta know more facts.
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Maybe law enforcement it's a it could be a situation
where they have to make an arrest under the circumstances
because of the age of the children and the endangerment issue.
So but quite a story, and it turns out it
is a.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It is a story that was rooted in well it
was a lie. The story was a lie. Also.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I think the mother got called to the scene. So
the mother of the children, or at least one of
the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I have to go back and look at the details,
but she was very unhappy about the situation too, very
unhappy about this. So I would just note that here
we are now up dating the story a day later
to make sure that we're all aligned about what happened here,
understand what really happened here. And with that, I want
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to take my moment here to take a victory life
for something that we were right about maybe yesterday. You know,
we should have waited for a little more of the
facts to come in. I'll take I'll take the heat
on that. I'll take the heat on that a little bit,
especially because Clay is not Oh is it? Isn't it
so convenient Clay's not here today. I'm taking the heat.
Oh isn't that so convenient? Now He's having a great
(28:32):
time out there, he misses all of you. But I
did tell you the Eric Adams prosecution was was nonsense.
I did tell you the Eric Adams prosecution. You don't
probably you don't threaten to throw somebody in prison for
years and destroy their life because they got upgrades on
an airline like that's just not Because this is there
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is some line that the law has to draw with
tangible benefit, and if it is entirely up to the
aggression in the moment, for example, of somebody to give
you a tangible versus intangible benefit. This came up when
they went after Conrad Black, who was a excellent writer.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Conservative.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
He's sort of a little bit less, you know, scaled down,
but he's sort of the Canadian Rupert Murdoch, a media
mogul of sorts, but from Canada, not from Australia, and
a conservative, and they decided to go after him.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I believe it was Patrick.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Fitzgerald who was the prosecutor who has really just made
a career going after high profile conservative political targets and
like Scooter Libby and trying to destroy them. He is
a plague on the whole world of law enforcement. In
my opinion, this guy at Fitzgerald, he went to my
high school. Very bad news guy. And and Shae has
(29:51):
engaged in shameful conduct of going after people at the
highest levels of prosecution in the game because a politics, right.
I mean that the whole Scooter livery thing Libby thing
was complete nonsense. He didn't leak the name. They knew
he didn't leak the name. Didn't even matter about the name. Really,
I know, you can be very litigious, or he can
be very letter of the law about this. But she
(30:12):
wasn't some like deep you know, the deep cover operative,
and oh my gosh, what's gonna this is some blonde
lady living in Georgetown.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Give me a break. I was in the CIA, I
know the reality. Put this aside.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yes you recover.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yes, she was doing Vanity Fair interviews a day later.
She's so worried about all of her sources. The whole
remember of the Valerie Plamee Leak Scooter Libby thing, total garbage.
I was in the CIA when that was going on.
Total garbage. The whole prosecution was garbage. Somebody said something
by accident. It was essentially a inadvertent disclosure of the name.
The name it wasn't really big, but they thought they
could get Scooter Libby or rarely actually they thought they
(30:44):
could get call Rover Dick Cheney. So that was what
the whole thing was about. But he went after I'm weaving.
I know, have I weaved a little too much here? Sorry,
take a moment. So going back to Conrad Black, this
is where Anna services fraud came into the conversation. The
Supreme Court and I know, had to strike down this
is a criminal statute because it was so broad, and
(31:07):
Scalia made this point that you could have if the
CEO of a company got a great table at a restaurant.
He make the case, well, he only got that table
because he's the CEO of Johnson and Johnson or whatever,
and so he's not and if they have any business
with that restaurant chain, he's not being fair to the
to the shareholders. I know that sounds crazy. It is crazy,
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which is why it was struck down nine to ozho.
But they actually prosecuted people on that. Mayor Adams sort
of similar stuff here, and the corruption charges against him
were dismissed with prejudice, dismissed with prejudice, and the judges like,
not only should this not have happened, the fact that
it happened is gross and wrong. Here's at Mayor Adams
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taking a victory lap on this play cut nineteen.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
As you went heard this case, the judge has to
dismissed it with prejudice, making it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Clear that it never can be brought back.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Let me be clear, as I said all alone, this
case should have never, should have never been brought and
I did nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
We told you that from the beginning. He's a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Here you have the black Democrat mayor of New York City.
And we told you that this thing was total nonsense.
And I know there was a little bit of really
buck you guys here. Clay and I were totally aligned
on this one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Because I looked at the chart and said, what is
this and here's.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
The difference, and this is so important. Here's the difference
between us, the Republicans and the Democrats. We don't do this.
We actually have principles. We don't do this thing of it.
I don't like someone or I don't agree with them,
so let's use the law to ruin their life. The
law has to has to be have meaning, and for
the law to rightly do take action against you of
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negative consequence, you have to have done a bad thing.
And Derek Adams did not do a bad thing in
this case, so we were right on that one.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
See.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
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the leaving the kids alone thing, Okay, but we nail
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What's going on, Terrence?
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Yeah, I'm a double dittos. I'm a retired airline pilot.
Here's to fly into into DC all the time, and
I can't tell you how many times there were US
Senators and US representatives sitting in first class. I doubt
they were paying for that. Our company always comped. These
people just moved them up. The next one is I
(34:55):
was at LaGuardia one time, I can't remember where were
going to his late eighties, early eighties, and Teddy Kennedy
comes on board and demands a first class seat. And
US representative from Houston, I forget her name, just demanded
throw somebody out of the first class seat going down
to Mexico. That stuff happens all the time. I mean, yeah,
(35:17):
and after him for that, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I totally look, I totally agree with you, but I'm
sure Teddy Kennedy also demanded a bottle of Scotch and
maybe a little squeeze at one of the stewardesses.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
You know what I mean. He is a real maniac,
that guy.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
So yeah, thank you for calling him with that perspective.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
VIP email from Dana.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm a longtime listener and OG listener, Rush and Clay
and Buck and my son is number twenty two Bennett
Anderson on the team. All that is awesome, Dana. He's
the walk on that scored in the Sweet sixteen. So
glad you're both betting on the Gators and that Kerry
is a Gator. I can attest this team as the
best culture and is comprised of the best young man
and coaching staff in the country. High character, amazing talent
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on the team. It's refreshing and exciting. Go Gators.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Producer Greg writes in you know the Florida Gators, Greg,
I know, I I you know, like, yeah, okay, I'm
not an expert in the college athletics realm, but I
know my wife's college.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I generally remember it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I did have to learn when I moved down here
that Florida State and UF were very different things, because
when you're from New York, you maybe use these things
somewhat interchangeably, and that gets you fed to the gators.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So that is not good.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
We're gonna come back here and talk to Senator Marshall Blackburn.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's right of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Looking forward to talking to the Senator here about those
universal injunctions and other very interesting topics. So third hours
already here, it's flying by. Stick around, we'll be right
with you.
Second hour play in buck kicks off now and Congressman
Jim Jordan joins us to talk about everything going on.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Congressman, always appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
You bet Bucket to be with you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Can we start? You know what? I want to have
you react to this? Okay? Over at CNBC, this is
cut eight.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
They are freaking out right now, and I wanted to
let you tell everybody how you're feeling about this.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
But let's play cut eight.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
This is the situation of the terriff assessment over there playing.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
The market reaction after hours. I've never seen anything like it. This,
I think fair to say is worse than the worst
case scenario of the tariffs that many in the market
expected the President to impose. And there's some question of
how the administration calculated the percentages that they're responding to
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in each of these cases. Are they adding in value
added taxes? He talked about non tariff barriers as well,
So I think while many were hoping that this would
eliminate uncertainty, there's going to be more uncertainty in the market, worse.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Than the worst case scenario. Jim, what do you make
of it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Everyone needs to relax and you know the thing I
keep coming up with all these these foreign countries saying
they're going to do this if TARA and talking about
how bad it is. The president Tump does this, If
tariffs are so bad, why don't they just get rid
of the tariffs they have on all our products? I mean,
it's it's that's pretty basic. And frankly, that's the president's argument.
Why don't you show us the respect we've shown you.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
They won't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
He's saying, Okay, we're tired of taking it on the chin,
We're tired of manufacturing leaving this country. I mean, my
dad was a union worker for General Motors in Dayton, Ohio.
There used to be several plants GM plants in Dayton.
Now there's not, and and and the auto worker who
stood up yesterday with the I thought the President's of
March were great. The auto worker who stood up, I
think spoke for so many middle middle class, working class families.
(01:56):
Enough of this, Let's try something different, let's tell them
to quit sticking it to us, and let's look out
for the interest of the American family, the American worker,
in the American economy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So you have faith that this should play out and
that the president. I mean, how much of this, in
your mind do you think is just the ongoing negotiation
of it before we can even know what it is
that's going to be the final dispensation of where these
different tariff numbers are.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No. I think that's a good point. And we all
know that the President is is this great, is a
great negotiator. He's I think he believes in tariffs. He
certainly said that he used tariffs in the past. He
used it in his first term. I know he used
it on steel and it benefit and manufacturing in our
great state, particularly the Whirlpool facility in our one of
the many whirlpool facilities in our in our state. So
(02:46):
this shouldn't be a big surprise. You never had to
this degree. But like anything worth accomplishing, anything worth really achieving,
there's always some effort and some discipline and some toughness
involved with getting there. That's just the way life works.
I don't think this is any different. But I think
the American people see where the president wants to go.
Certainly working class people see where he wants to go.
(03:06):
They know what's happened in manufacturing, and I think there's
a trust level there with the President network. It'll be
maybe some difficult times here for a while, but I
think we get through it and we come out better
on the other side. And that's the whole point.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Someone else that caught my attention, Congressman, you are the
chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and you can speak
to this internal FBI chat law yes, showing that the
FBI imposed a gag order about the New York Post
story on the Hunter Biden laptop the day it came out.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh my, give us these details.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, first of all, we knew this from a deposition,
but this is the first time we've got the document.
So God bless the FBI. This is this is the
night and day difference between what we had before and
what we have under Cashptel and Pam Bondi the Justice Department.
But we had mister Brady Olso, one of the guys
mentioned in his chat that you can see it, but
he told us, he said, yeah, in a meeting that
these regular meetings that took place where the FBI would
(04:04):
go talk to big tech and they'll run up to
the twenty twenty presidential election, and they were prepping them
on all that there might be an information operation, it
might come from a foreign country. They were prepping them
on what they knew could happen, because they had the
laptop and they knew it was real. That one of
these meetings, the day that this comes up is October fourteenth.
It comes up and someone says is the laptop reel?
And the FBI confirms it. Someone spoke out of turn.
(04:27):
They quickly get together, get their story straight, and from
that point on they say no comment. And then they
even have in the chat. The one that stuck out
with me was where they said Twitter is treating this
story as disinformation. They treated as disinformation because you prepped
them for that and you knew it was real. This
just demonstrates what we knew all along that the FBI
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wasn't being square with the American people.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Now, how confident are you in the ability for that
entity to be reformed? I know you have a lot
of faith in Director Patel and Deputy Director Bonjino, but
they're taking as it's an unwieldy and problematic operation. They're
taking over what are some of the things that you
think need to get done over there, not only to
clean house internally, but to help restore faith for the
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American people in a federal la enforcement institution that we
need to function at the highest level and without partisan agenda.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, already two things have happened. One, they're beginning to
move people out of the third of the FBI agents
we're in DC area. Well that's not where all the
crime takes place. I mean enough takes place in this area.
But so they're moving them out and focusing more on
traditional going after traditional bad guys versus this surveillance on
American citizens. So that's one huge step in the right
direction that Director Bettel and Dana put in into place. Second,
(05:44):
I just know what we've gotten in the in the
first few weeks that he's been running the FBI. We
said seven subpoenas over there five weeks ago. The response
the documents we're getting is, like I said, it's night
and day compared to what we got under Chris Ray,
what we got under Merrick Garland at the Justice Department.
So there's just two examples of where they're already changing
how that place operates, saying we're going to get the
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truth and we're going to get the facts of the
American people, answer the questions that they have, and we're
going to put our agents on actually stopping you know,
the crime activity that that is that we traditionally associate
with the FBI, mafia, organized clan money, launching, all those things,
versus again buying on the American people.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Talking to Congress and Jim Jordan from Ohio, and one
thing that I think a congressman, that is interesting to
see how President Trump is staying on this and not
not moving, not moving the agenda very much from what
he said it would be the.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Freeze on funding to Maine.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Remember there was that little back and forth with the
governor of Maine and the President where she was she
was talking tough about you know, I'll see you in court,
and he was like, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I love court, let's go to court.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And now the Trump administration is freeze funding to Maine
for letting trans athletes compete again and girls by you know, men,
biological man or teenagers competing against girls. It feels like
promise made, promise kept on this one. What do you
make of it?
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, this is this is why the American people appreciate
the President. I say this all the time. We make
the job too complicate.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
What to tell the voters?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You were going to do when you ran for it.
If they elect you do what you said. And this
is president he told it. It's not like you told us.
It wasn't going to be a doge ef. It's not
like you told us he wasn't going to run that.
It's not like you told us he wasn't for caraffs
and he was tired of being being taken advantage by
other countries. And it's not like he told us that.
You know, he thinks, like the vast majority of Americans
that you know, guys shouldn't be competing against girls in sports.
(07:36):
I mean, so he's doing what he said, and I
think so many Americans just appreciate that. And he says
this all the time. And we've talked about this buck.
But like we're the Party of common sense, it's common
sense to take to have a border. The left of
party are crazy. It's crazy not to have a border.
It's crazy to say boys to compete against girls in sports.
It's crazy to to to I mean, to take a
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plane and a judge say, turned the plane around. Bring
the bad guys back here who were illegal part of
an organized terrorist organization, the most dangerous gang on the planet.
Turned that plane around and bring it back. That's crazy.
So the President is all for doing the common sense
things that he campaigned on, and one of them was
the issue with the governor made and he's sticking to it,
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and God bless him for doing it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Did you see this, this female fencer who took a
knee instead of competing against a male opponent. She was
disqualified for this, And I just think that one, it's
a brave thing to do for this young woman to
do it, but also it's the right thing to do.
People should not women should not subject themselves to this anymore.
There should be I think a campaign to opt I mean,
(08:42):
you were a college athlete, there should be a campaign
to opt out.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, I agree, you know, And God blessed Riley Gaines
what she's done, the President's executive order that he signed
about five six weeks ago. But you need people who
are courageous like this, this young lady who's stood up.
I guess in this situation she knelt down and said no,
we're not going there. And and Riley Gaines, who started
this in others, everyone instinctively knows this is wrong, particularly
(09:10):
parent of young ladies who are competing in sports who
are working hard to it. We had two daughters, both
were athletes. I mean, that's it's just ridiculous and everyone
gets it. But if the left wants to defend it
from a political standpoint, I don't think it helps them.
This one more example of the crazy positions the left
now takes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And I'm just asking for your your sense of it, right,
I know that you can't really know, but I'm curious
what your perception is of it among Democrat House colleagues.
You know, when you see how they have to take,
what positions they take on this issue of the transgender
sports stuff. Is it more that they actually believe this
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or more that they're just afraid of the crazies within
their party who think that this is the new civil
rights crusade.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It's the latter. It's you know, it's the old.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Some politicians when they get asked a question, it's a
yeah for that next question please, that they just want
to move on. They just want to like, uh, kind
of ignore it. But I think it's more of the latter. Now,
there are some I mean the heart I always say,
not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls
their party is and that's where the energy is in
the party. It's it's the it's the radical left, and
they're they're driving this stuff. So I think many of
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them just kind of put the head down and move on,
don't want to deal with it, and helps less leave
them alone. But there are some. There are some who
truly believe that you should just let it happen with
them like it. That's great.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
It is crazy, is not, and that is the only
way to describe it. It is a it is a nonsane,
insane thing to believe. And and the fact that this
continues on is it's just I think the Democrat Party
has to carry this around and they're not gonna They're
not gonna be able to win this issue because they're
wrong and because they're lying. Well, you know, usually now
we'd get to like clays out, today's playing golf, you know,
(10:57):
as one does. It is having a good time. So
usually we'd ask a sports question. I actually have a
nerd question for you, but you know how the budget
process and the money stuff works. You mentioned Doge, So sorry,
Usually now we'd have some fun, but instead I'm like,
let's let's take out the calculator.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Way, though, you should go with us next time we go.
You should go to the NWA wrestling with this next
It was. There was some boring matches early, but the
heavyweight match was so you got to come with us
next time. Oh, I would love to wet. You got
to come with us next time we go to that.
It's a fun time, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
My my primary school in New York actually wrote about
this on X used to require everybody in the winter
season for sports to do wrestling, and I thought it
was a great It.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Was great, No, I mean it, it was great. Like it was.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We all learned the basics and we had tournaments and
then Jim Classic. Of course, they got rid of it
about ten years after I graduated because people thought it
was too violent. You know, there was this whole oh
the parrots. Yeah, wrestling was too violent, you know. Anyway,
it was. It's kind of crazy. Okay, wait my NERD question. Yes,
I'd love to go to the wrestling NERD question. Though
important you mentioned Dough. I see all this stuff about
(12:01):
the cuts. How much of this is Trump can cut
as executive chief, and how much of it is those
identifying where there should be cuts that you and your
colleagues in Congress are going to have to figure out
and the budgets of the money actually gets taken out again, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
More of the latter.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
We're gonna have to do a recision package.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
The way the recision package works is the White House
sends it to Capitol Hill, so it's different. Normally, all
spending and taxing bills obviously start in the Congress, specifically
in the House. Under the constitution, taxing and spending is
the House representatives, the body close to the people. But
this is something where you want to rescind money that's
already been appropriated. The White House sends it to Capitol
Hill and says, these things are ridiculous. Can you rescind this?
(12:43):
And the beauty of a recision package is you only
need fifty votes in the Senate. You don't need to
get to the supermajority of sixty. So we're waiting for
that package. We've been pushing and urging the White House
to get us that package. I would have loved to
have done this in steps, even like last week. It
had been nice to have a bill that simply said
no more money goes to NPR. You may have followed
this the lady's of course, by the CEO. She was terrible.
(13:06):
She said it was eighty seven to zero, eighty seven
Democrat editors at NPR in the DC area zero Republicans,
according to one of their journals who worked there twenty
five years, who was an award winning journalist. She did
that research and gave that data, and I asked her
a question. I said, are you guys unbiased? He goes,
we're unbiased. I said, to eighty seven to zero, It's
not forty four to forty three. It's eighty seven to zero.
(13:27):
But there's still I mean, it was ridiculous. So it'd
been nice to have a recision package on that. Just
let's just get rid of NPR, start there and then
just keep building. But I think the White House is
going to put it together in a bigger package. They
send it to us and then we.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Have a vote, and he sends someone that might might
be just roughly time wise.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I am hoping sooner round. I mean, we keep urging
the White House to do it. I know some of
my colleagues have talked to Russ Vote and ob so
we wanted as soon as possible. I don't know exactly
when that's in. But they tell they keep tell us
they're working on it, putting it together.
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Conxon Jim Jordan, Oh wait one, because you know Clay
would want me to ask you this, who's going to
win the March Madness thing?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
You know, I followed a little last week when it
was six, you know, sweet sixteen lead eight. I kind
of like the Florida team, but I mean, there we go.
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You know you're joining You're joining the Clay and Buck choice.
We both picked Florida to win, so there we go.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, I kind of liked them when I watched I
watched them play, and uh, you know, I was kind
of hoping for Michions date kind of sticking.
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With the big My wife is a gator and I
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especially happy wife with new baby, so we go go
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What's going on, Chris good Afternoons? I Mean, I know
I'm one of millions of people, but I'm absolutely terrified
about what he's doing because he admits he's gambling with
the economy. But if it doesn't work, the Democrats are
just going to dismantle everything he did and go back
the other way. People aren't thinking long term. It's like,
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what have you done for me lately?
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Okay, I'm seventy one, and in five or six years
I'll be happier. It doesn't work that way. My mother's
ninety six and she's at home crying over what's going
on in the stock market.
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I voted for Trump three times.
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you can tell her that theever degree it'll help that
I'm telling her it's gonna be fine. There's no and
you shouldn't worry either. Trump knows what he's doing. Okay,
he knows what he's doing when it comes to the economy.
He has proven that. And is there some risk in this, Yeah,
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got so much more to get into, and sometimes things
that I wasn't expecting to get into.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But there is this.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Core of very dedicated individuals out there, maybe too dedicated,
but very zealous in their policing of pronunciation. I don't
even know if they have a uniform that they wear,
but they certainly approach their job with all the tenacity
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of like a Turkish prison guard or something, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I mean, they're really intense.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And here the pronunciation police out of this is twin
Citi's listener, Jason Listens on KTLK. He says that I
need to get pulled over, and I'm getting written up
right now. I'm getting a ticket for my pronunciation on
well play CC talk.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I'm really disappointed in you. You are choosing to follow
everybody else pronouncing it torn It's not tournament? Is tournament turnament?
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Is that really a thing? Or is he pulling my leg?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Is there like a is there a tournament for the
craziest pronunciation police?
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Because if so? He wins.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I don't know that that's not even I've never heard
that's a thing. I do think it's funny. Occasionally, some
of you will tell me that I get yelled at
for either having a New York accent, too much of
a New York accent, or not having any New York accent,
depending on where the pronunciation police might find me in
any given day. So as I am for three hours
rolling through your speed traps, I guess I am at
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your mercy.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So the pronunciation police came from that one.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And since we're doing a little bit of ombudsman work here,
I do want to And of course Clays out having
a great time sending me photos on the golf course.
You know he's a you know, big hitter of the clay.
You know he's sending it three hundred yards plus. I'm
sure one handed drinking Mark Careed is here. I am
trying to save freedom, democracy America, you know, as one does.
(21:06):
And I have to return to a story that we
talked about yesterday solo. So I'm here in the trench.
The artillery rounds are falling all around me. I'm here
in the trench, and my buddy Clay is out on
the golf course. The story yesterday about McDonald's the dad
he left the kids. Now, I just before we go
(21:27):
back to this, I want to be clear about something,
all right, I want to be clear about something. The
real discussion was just about how old is it reasonable
and even legal, depending on the state, to leave your
kids unattended? And I thought that was interesting. For example,
we had a call and that was why it was
such a talker, and so many of you were weighing in.
(21:48):
It's why we had someone one of our listeners from Illinois,
I believe, say you got to be at least fourteen.
See that's high. I thought thirteen would would be more
or less. If you're thirteen, you're allowed to be alone,
you know, like you can be unsupervised by your parents legally.
Whether it's a good idea or not, depending on where
you are, that's a separate but it's very contextual, right.
And some of the cops who called in, not pronunciation police,
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but actual police.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
They called in and they said, look, it really it's
about the totality of the circumstance and you know what's
going on here and all this okay, So with all
that said, it turns out that this fellow mister Chris Lewis,
who became a cause among some celebrities a go fund
(22:34):
me for him, charged with deprivation of a minor a
couple of weeks ago for leaving his kids one, six
and ten years old at the restaurant. Turns out they
were there for an hour and a half, which is
a long time. This was not I need to run
into the office across the street for fifteen minutes. I'll
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be right back. It was an hour and a half.
That is strike one. Strike two is that now It
is not believed that he was in fact interviewing for
a job, but earlier in the day had interviewed for
a job.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So here you go.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Security footages from New York Post captured Lewis walking around
the hotel at one thirty, but not around four to
thirty when he allegedly left his kids at the fast
food joint. Two eagle eyed customers saw the three kids
inside the restaurant at four thirty pm, Lewis talked to
someone on the phone. Customers heard Lewis say he needed
to drop something off before he left the store and
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the unaccompanied kids. For nearly ninety minutes. The customers reported
the odd exchange to police. Lewis's oldest daughter told police
she and her family had walked to the McDonald's from
an apartment complex less than a mile down the road
where her mother lived. The girl allegedly claimed her father
frequently left them alone when he was watching them. Ten
(24:02):
year old girl told officials her dad had a backpack
and was supposed to deliver it to their mom. Her
daughter contacted fitchardo, I don't know who that's sorry how
over social media told her to go to McDonald's. Lewis
claimed he was at the apartments looking for her, but
never did any During his delivery, Lewis reportedly lost his
id retracing his steps. Sheriff's office stood by the arrest,
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asserting that Lewis was not attending a job interview at
the time of his arrest, and he just left his
children unattended. The GOFUNDI got him seventy five thousand dollars
in twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Now, okay, So for those of you who were a
little skeptical of.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The story, congratulations or skepticism was correct. Now we said yesterday,
there's a lot of details, a lot you can go
back and listen.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I'm not I'm not like doing a moonwalk here. I'm
not just going.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, we knew that there were things we didn't know,
but the initial story on this was not correct. The
facts were not correct, and law enforcement was correct. That's
what That's what we find out, right. It wasn't a
job interview. Left his kids alone for an hour and
a half, leaves them alone a lot, not safe, not.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Good, And there you have it. So I wanted to
return to it.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I didn't want to get up because there was I
think a lot of people yesterday the way the story
was presented. Oh this guy, hard working guy, trying to
do the right thing for his family, last minute childcare
crisis left him in a McDonald's just gone for a second,
a short while. Remember, now we can go back and
look at some of the early media reporting on this,
(25:32):
which we were relying on. I wasn't there a short while.
Ninety minutes is not a short while. Okay, remember yesterday
I said it short while. I think that's probably I
mean fifteen to twenty minutes is a short while, Like
twenty is max when you're leaving her, And that would
be the big problem in Clay identified this one. I'm
doing this like like one of those films, those JFK
(25:54):
films where they like pull apart every aspect and every
but I think we spell this got you.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
All so far up yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
We had so many emails, so many calls, and what
was fascinating. And I love these kinds of conversations. People
calling in saying it is it's crazy to even consider
we had this. Some of you listening, crazy to even
consider resting this guy for this not that big a deal,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Other people are this is madness.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know, these kids could have been abducted or something terrible.
You know, absolutely, so very people have very strong feelings
on both ends of this one. But those of you
who are saying, yeah, I don't buy it, you were right.
It's not what happened. What happened is he did something
reckless and the cops were in the right and you know,
I don't know. I guess does he here's a question,
does he get to keep the seventy five thousand dollars
(26:44):
for the GoFundMe. That's I'd be wondering if he's not
the working class hero who just did what he could
and is being treated roughly by law enforcement in the moment.
If that's not true, does he still I feel like
he probably does get to keep the money.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't know what the rules are on that, but
I did just want to tell you all that we
filowed this up. Also want to thank We have an
affiliate station in Augusta and they reached out and said, hey, guys,
hey guys, there's more. So we knew as soon as
we talked about the story on the air that there
was going to be more stuff coming out. And remember
I told you I was not I was not blaming
law enforcement. I said, you know, we gotta know more facts.
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Maybe law enforcement it's a it could be a situation
where they have to make an arrest under the circumstances
because of the age of the children and the endangerment issue.
So but quite a story, and it turns out it
is a.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It is a story that was rooted in well it
was a lie. The story was a lie. Also.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I think the mother got called to the scene. So
the mother of the children, or at least one of
the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I have to go back and look at the details,
but she was very unhappy about the situation too, very
unhappy about this. So I would just note that here
we are now up dating the story a day later
to make sure that we're all aligned about what happened here,
understand what really happened here. And with that, I want
(28:10):
to take my moment here to take a victory life
for something that we were right about maybe yesterday. You know,
we should have waited for a little more of the
facts to come in. I'll take I'll take the heat
on that. I'll take the heat on that a little bit,
especially because Clay is not Oh is it? Isn't it
so convenient Clay's not here today. I'm taking the heat.
Oh isn't that so convenient? Now He's having a great
(28:32):
time out there, he misses all of you. But I
did tell you the Eric Adams prosecution was was nonsense.
I did tell you the Eric Adams prosecution. You don't
probably you don't threaten to throw somebody in prison for
years and destroy their life because they got upgrades on
an airline like that's just not Because this is there
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is some line that the law has to draw with
tangible benefit, and if it is entirely up to the
aggression in the moment, for example, of somebody to give
you a tangible versus intangible benefit. This came up when
they went after Conrad Black, who was a excellent writer.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Conservative.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
He's sort of a little bit less, you know, scaled down,
but he's sort of the Canadian Rupert Murdoch, a media
mogul of sorts, but from Canada, not from Australia, and
a conservative, and they decided to go after him.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I believe it was Patrick.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Fitzgerald who was the prosecutor who has really just made
a career going after high profile conservative political targets and
like Scooter Libby and trying to destroy them. He is
a plague on the whole world of law enforcement. In
my opinion, this guy at Fitzgerald, he went to my
high school. Very bad news guy. And and Shae has
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engaged in shameful conduct of going after people at the
highest levels of prosecution in the game because a politics, right.
I mean that the whole Scooter livery thing Libby thing
was complete nonsense. He didn't leak the name. They knew
he didn't leak the name. Didn't even matter about the name. Really,
I know, you can be very litigious, or he can
be very letter of the law about this. But she
(30:12):
wasn't some like deep you know, the deep cover operative,
and oh my gosh, what's gonna this is some blonde
lady living in Georgetown.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Give me a break. I was in the CIA, I
know the reality. Put this aside.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yes you recover.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yes, she was doing Vanity Fair interviews a day later.
She's so worried about all of her sources. The whole
remember of the Valerie Plamee Leak Scooter Libby thing, total garbage.
I was in the CIA when that was going on.
Total garbage. The whole prosecution was garbage. Somebody said something
by accident. It was essentially a inadvertent disclosure of the name.
The name it wasn't really big, but they thought they
could get Scooter Libby or rarely actually they thought they
(30:44):
could get call Rover Dick Cheney. So that was what
the whole thing was about. But he went after I'm weaving.
I know, have I weaved a little too much here? Sorry,
take a moment. So going back to Conrad Black, this
is where Anna services fraud came into the conversation. The
Supreme Court and I know, had to strike down this
is a criminal statute because it was so broad, and
(31:07):
Scalia made this point that you could have if the
CEO of a company got a great table at a restaurant.
He make the case, well, he only got that table
because he's the CEO of Johnson and Johnson or whatever,
and so he's not and if they have any business
with that restaurant chain, he's not being fair to the
to the shareholders. I know that sounds crazy. It is crazy,
(31:27):
which is why it was struck down nine to ozho.
But they actually prosecuted people on that. Mayor Adams sort
of similar stuff here, and the corruption charges against him
were dismissed with prejudice, dismissed with prejudice, and the judges like,
not only should this not have happened, the fact that
it happened is gross and wrong. Here's at Mayor Adams
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taking a victory lap on this play cut nineteen.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
As you went heard this case, the judge has to
dismissed it with prejudice, making it.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Clear that it never can be brought back.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Let me be clear, as I said all alone, this
case should have never, should have never been brought and
I did nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
We told you that from the beginning. He's a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Here you have the black Democrat mayor of New York City.
And we told you that this thing was total nonsense.
And I know there was a little bit of really
buck you guys here. Clay and I were totally aligned
on this one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Because I looked at the chart and said, what is
this and here's.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
The difference, and this is so important. Here's the difference
between us, the Republicans and the Democrats. We don't do this.
We actually have principles. We don't do this thing of it.
I don't like someone or I don't agree with them,
so let's use the law to ruin their life. The
law has to has to be have meaning, and for
the law to rightly do take action against you of
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negative consequence, you have to have done a bad thing.
And Derek Adams did not do a bad thing in
this case, so we were right on that one.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
See.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
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the leaving the kids alone thing, Okay, but we nail
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What's going on, Terrence?
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Yeah, I'm a double dittos. I'm a retired airline pilot.
Here's to fly into into DC all the time, and
I can't tell you how many times there were US
Senators and US representatives sitting in first class. I doubt
they were paying for that. Our company always comped. These
people just moved them up. The next one is I
(34:55):
was at LaGuardia one time, I can't remember where were
going to his late eighties, early eighties, and Teddy Kennedy
comes on board and demands a first class seat. And
US representative from Houston, I forget her name, just demanded
throw somebody out of the first class seat going down
to Mexico. That stuff happens all the time. I mean, yeah,
(35:17):
and after him for that, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I totally look, I totally agree with you, but I'm
sure Teddy Kennedy also demanded a bottle of Scotch and
maybe a little squeeze at one of the stewardesses.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
You know what I mean. He is a real maniac,
that guy.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
So yeah, thank you for calling him with that perspective.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
VIP email from Dana.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm a longtime listener and OG listener, Rush and Clay
and Buck and my son is number twenty two Bennett
Anderson on the team. All that is awesome, Dana. He's
the walk on that scored in the Sweet sixteen. So
glad you're both betting on the Gators and that Kerry
is a Gator. I can attest this team as the
best culture and is comprised of the best young man
and coaching staff in the country. High character, amazing talent
(36:00):
on the team. It's refreshing and exciting. Go Gators.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Producer Greg writes in you know the Florida Gators, Greg,
I know, I I you know, like, yeah, okay, I'm
not an expert in the college athletics realm, but I
know my wife's college.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I generally remember it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I did have to learn when I moved down here
that Florida State and UF were very different things, because
when you're from New York, you maybe use these things
somewhat interchangeably, and that gets you fed to the gators.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So that is not good.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
We're gonna come back here and talk to Senator Marshall Blackburn.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's right of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Looking forward to talking to the Senator here about those
universal injunctions and other very interesting topics. So third hours
already here, it's flying by. Stick around, we'll be right
with you.
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