April 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with the exciting news of Buck Sexton becoming a father. Buck and Carrie Sexton welcomed their baby boy, James, on Friday evening, and Buck is expected to return to the show tomorrow to share his experience.
The primary focus of this hour is Clay Travis's critique of George Clooney's play, "Goodnight and Good Luck." Clay recounts his experience attending the play in New York City, which portrays the media's role in holding powerful figures accountable. He highlights the play's closing scene, which controversially depicts Elon Musk giving what appears to be a Nazi salute. Clay argues that this portrayal is fundamentally dishonest, as it misrepresents Musk's actual gesture of tapping his heart and extending his hand. He emphasizes that this misleading depiction undermines the play's message about media accountability and reflects the audience's susceptibility to emotional manipulation.
In addition to the play, the hosts discuss various current events, including Rory McElroy's win at the Masters, Donald Trump's attendance at UFC 314 in Miami, and the troubling incident involving Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's mansion. They also touch on Bill Maher's visit to Donald Trump, facilitated by Kid Rock, and Taylor Lorenz's controversial comments defending Luigi Mangione, the accused murderer of a healthcare executive.
Stephen A. Smith's potential presidential run is another topic of discussion, reflecting the perceived weakness of the Democratic bench. Clay Travis shares his experience hosting Fox and Friends Weekend, receiving positive feedback from viewers.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. I
hope all of you had fabulous weekends. Exhilarating day at
the Masters. I bet a lot of you watched Ry
McElroy with the big Win markets up a bit. As
the Trump tariff discussion continues in earnest, particularly as it
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pertains to China, we have got a ton to discuss
with all of you from a variety of different perspectives.
But right off the top, I know many of you
have been really concerned about this, wanting the absolute latest.
It didn't happen while we were on the air, but
on Friday evening Buck and Carrie Sexton became parents. Their
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baby boy James arrived. Mom and baby are doing well.
Buck says right now he expects to be back on
tomorrow so we can hear how the delivery went down
in Miami. But the pictures are up. I know we
have shared them from the Buck's social account. I know
that Buck has shared them from his social accounts. I
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would imagine that there are pictures for those of you
who want to go and look certainly at those social accounts,
but also I imagine that there are pictures up on
clayanbuck dot com, and if there are not, we should
definitely make sure that we post them there for people
who are not active.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
On social media at all.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But that is fabulous news, and I know many of
you have been following that closely. You've been asking about it,
and I was hoping we were going to be able
to announce it before we went off.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The air on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
But come Friday evening, the official news that James speed
Sexton had entered the world came down. And We're going
to have a lot of fun talking with Buck about
what it's like to have become a dad, and I
know he is exhilarated and is going to be headed
for many sleepless nights in the near future as any
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dad and mom have experienced, and many of you out
there certainly have experienced in your life. So it's super exciting.
So for those of you that have been concerned about that,
really great news to start off our Monday that the
baby is here and mom and baby are both doing well.
So you can find pictures up on Buck's account, up
on the Clay and Buck accounts, and soon if not
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already up at clayanbuck dot com. For those of you
that are not super active on social media. Okay, where
are we in the universe. That is awesome news. And
like I said, I think Buck's going to be back tomorrow.
We'll see if that remains the case. It was out
Thursday Friday. We'll be back, I think on Tuesday with
a brand new baby. Okay, So let's dive into a
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bunch of different stories that are underway right now. I
mentioned the masters. Trump also went to UFC three fourteen
in Miami, did an Air Force one interview. Afterwards. We
will play that for you. Coming up. Pennsylvania Governor, this
is an awful story. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro had someone
break into his house and try to burn down the
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Pennsylvania Governor's mansion. I've got a lot of thoughts on this.
They have arrested the suspect, and his motivations remain unclear,
but at a bare minimum. And I'm surprised more people
are not talking about this angle. What a complete failure
by the Pennsylvania security that is supposed to be protecting
the governor of Pennsylvania. This guy was able to get
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into the governor's mansion and evade all security and nearly
burned down the governor's mansion. I've seen the footage of this,
and it is absolutely indefensible that this could have been
allowed to occur. I'm glad the governor and his family
are okay, but I would imagine that he and certainly
his kids and his wife are terrified this shouldn't happen.
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We will talk some about that. Bill Maher made a
major statement by going to visit Donald Trump. We have
some cuts from him. Kid Rock set up that meeting,
and I thought Bill Maher addressed it very well on
his Friday show.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
We will talk about that crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Woman Taylor Laurents loves Luigi Mangioni, and this is indicative
of the broken moral code of many people on the
left wing in this country. And we're going to play
some of those cuts.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Steven A.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Smith ESPN twenty million dollar a year talent, did all
the news shows over the weekend and it seems like
he really may run for president. That is a sign
of how weak the Democrat benches. And we will discuss
all of that and more. Plus, I did Fox and
(04:31):
Friends weekend a lot of you. I appreciate all the
favorable feedback I did. In addition, to the fifteen hours
that we do on this program and the OutKick Show
and all the Fox News hits that I regularly do
at a really good time on Saturday and Sunday, four
hours each day six ten am East Coast with racial
compost Duffy and Charlie Hurt. And I know many of
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you watched because that is a supremely popular show and
many people out there watch that show on their weekends
as start their days. And so thank you for the feedback.
We have no guest scheduled today. I will open up
the phone lines allow you guys to weigh in. I
just laid out a variety of different topics that I
want to hit eight hundred and two two two eight
eight two, But I actually want to start with an
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experience that I had over the weekend in New York City.
So I talked about on Friday the fact that I
was going to go to a couple of plays. Solo
Weather was awful. I went to go see Denzel Washington
Jay Gillenhall in Othello. That was an incredible experience, really
cool to see one of the greatest actors of his
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generation in Denzel Washington playing the title role in a
Broadway performance in a theater that does not seek that
many people, where you could really experience the incredible talent
of someone of Denzel Washington's ability. That was really fun.
I wanted to find something to do. I was in
New York City, solo. Weather was awful. I had to
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be up super early in the morning, so I don't
want to go out late any for dinner or any
sort of events on Friday or Saturday, because the alarm's
going off at four fifteen in the morning, and so
I knew I had to be up early. I had
to be fresh, I had to be good on television
for four hours, so I didn't want to do anything late.
I went to a matinee for a fellow on Saturday.
To the extent that any of you have trips coming up,
(06:16):
I think that is running until mid June. I thought
it was extraordinary, really impressive. I'm glad that I went.
But I also went to good Night and Good Luck,
which is George Clooney's play about Edward R. Murrow and
the idea being that media should hold powerful people accountable.
And it goes back in time, and you guys know
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I'm a history nerd. It goes back in time to
the era of the House on American Activities Committee with
the junior Senator as he keeps calling him from Wisconsin
and everything surrounding that entire McCarthy era what was and
was not communist infiltration in America, And Clooney plays Edward R.
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Murrow and the journalists are the story and the heroes
of this entire play. And it goes back to again
nineteen fifties era America with the McCarthy hearings that are
going on in the Senate and Murrow, George Clooney's character
plays the nineteen fifties crusading journalist Edward R. Murrow who
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was trying to stand up to McCarthy and ends up
in a really contentious relationship before eventually McCarthy is brought
down by some of the overreach of his investigation. And
the CBS news journalists in general are the stars of
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the play, you guys know, making fun of myself. I
don't like musicals, so I was not gonna go see
any musical, but A Fellow is great, and I did it.
Dislike Goodnight and good Luck. So if some of you
are going on vacation or some of your list to
us on wor You're going to be in New York.
I didn't have any issues with the play itself, but
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at the end of the play, as George Clooney is
delivering a monologue, they start behind him to show a
lot of different media coverage since the nineteen fifties, and
so they show John F. Kennedy being assassinated. They show
Walter Cronkite reacting to it. If I remember correctly, they
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show on up Reagan Berlin Wall being torn down, the
nineteen nineties era CNN coverage of the First Gulf War,
George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, all of the
things that the media has covered. And as Clooney is
delivering a monologue, he is saying that there's a line
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in the play where the CBS executive says, well, at
some point, what if there isn't an Edward R. Murrow
there for what the truth is? And they're trying to
indict both sides. There are clips as the cavalcade of
imagery continues. There are clips from Fox News, from MSNBC.
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To their credit, they even include the defense of Joe
Biden's mental acuity as evidence of why you shouldn't trust
the media, and that runs all the way up to
the present day. Of course, they take shots at Fox News,
over dominion and all those different things. Again, it's sort
of a matrix like blanket of television imagery behind Clooney
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as he is delivering his closing monologue in the guise
of Edward R. Murrow, and then it ends. The very
final image that you see is of Elon Musk not
tapping his chest and then trying to gesture to all
of the people in the crowd to say thank you
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from the bottom of my heart, which is what Musk
was trying to do. It doesn't show you the tapping
on the chest. It only shows him doing what was
described in the media as a Nazi salute, and so
it freezes on Musk for the entire theater to see,
and everyone, by and large, at least two thirds seventy
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five percent of the audience gasps as if, oh, my goodness,
look at how far America has fallen that Elon Musk
is doing a Nazi salute on the stay in front
of all these people. Except it's not true, and we
talked about this back in January. Again, he taps his heart,
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and I'll admit somewhat awkwardly is trying to salute the
different parts of the arena, as public speakers might do.
But the way they clipped it, they left it with
him giving what they were clearly intending to show to
be a Nazi salute, and the crowd gasps. And I
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just found it to be such a fascinating window into
this sort of New York City liberal mind, and I
would love to talk. I'm sure they won't come on.
I'll have producer Ali invite whoever did the screenwriting for
the play, whatever you call the playwriting, I guess, or
George Clooney himself, to try to explain what their intent is,
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because the entire message of the play is be careful
trusting the media and people in positions of authority, because
they can easily play on your emotions and lead you astray.
And then the play itself ends with George Clooney's play
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insinuating that Elon Musk gave a Nazi salute, which he
didn't actually do, and all of the emotional reaction from
inside of the play is, oh, my goodness, can you
believe what this awful right wing Elon Musk is doing.
We've allowed an actual Nazi to ascend into some position
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of power. And what I find so incredibly intriguing about
this is, on a beneficial, generous reading of this, it's
actually the playwrights ridiculing the vast majority of the audience
that is watching the play. Because you can make an argument,
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I don't think it's a crazy one, that they're actually satirizing,
mocking the fact that all of these people think they're
above being played for fools by the media. You can
make that read, and if they did it, it's somewhat diabolical,
and it's lacerating in its penestrate, penetrating criticism of the
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people that think.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They're the smart ones and that they're.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Above being played. I don't think they're doing that, but
that's a general reading of what the intent was by
showing that Elon Musk image. More likely, I think George
Clooney and all of the other leftists involved in putting
on this play are lighting the entire message of their
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play on fire by using an image that doesn't reflect
what it actually was in an effort to try to
demonstrate how dangerous unchecked government can be, and in actuality,
they did an entire play talking about how great it
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is that the media could hold powerful people accountable. And
then at the end of the play they undercut the
entire message of the play by showing that modern media
is actually incapable of giving an honest portrayal and recitation
of what's truly happening in the country and the vast
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majority of the people in that audience. I had no
earthly idea what the total context of the Musk salute was,
and I think it's incredibly important to talk about this
and hold them accountable. Elon Musk has responded to the
tweets that I put out. I'll share what Elon Musk said,
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but in a larger context, some of you were saying, well,
I don't know why you would pay to.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Go see a George Clooney play.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I do it for the same reason that I read
The New York Times in the Washington Post every morning.
I don't think you strengthen your own arguments without confronting
the arguments that others are making. I am confident that
I could make left wing arguments better than most of
left wingers because I study and read them more. The
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reason why I make the arguments to you every single
day is because I'm confident they're the best arguments. But
you can't cover up your ears and run and hide
from popular culture. Have to engage with it in order
to be able to win arguments. I would argue one
reason why left wingers have started to do so poorly
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when they're actually questioned is because they live in an
ecosystem that never challenges the basics of their opinion, which
is why I think Ron DeSantis wiped the floor with
Governor Gavin Newsom of California, if you remember in the
Sean Hannity debate that those guys had because Newsom is
not used to being pressed, because he lives in a
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world where the media bathes him in adulation all the time. Me,
many of you, a lot of us who have sought
out our own experiences to reach the conclusions and the
opinions that we have, We've had to grapple with and
consider left wing opinion in a way that they never
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consider right wing opinions. I'm going to open up the
phone lines, but I wanted to share that experience with
you because if I hadn't gone, I don't know that
very many people would be talking about something like this
at all.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I also thought that gasp.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
That moment when the audience gasped as if Elon Musk
were an actual Nazi was so revealing because they buy
into things that are beyond a shadow of a doubt,
not actually remotely true, and someone like George Clooney profits
off it while lecturing all of us about the importance
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of trust and media. I just it was such an
interesting moment for me on Friday night when I was
watching that play and I had that moment, that shocking
revelation of the Nazi salute, which wasn't actually a Nazi salute,
but I felt like I might have been the only
guy in the entire theater who knew the full context
of that, and I felt like it was so profoundly
dishonest by Clooney and everyone who was involved in the play.
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But we'll talk about that a little bit more, but
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Speaker 1 (18:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. A lot
of you already reacting to this. One person has emailed
me in and said, Hey, I actually think they put
the gasps in on the Nazi salute to try to
make you think that the crowd was gasping, which is interesting.
I thought people were gasping and real But that's an
interesting take. A lot of you want to weigh in.
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What's it like for George Clooney to be.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Lying to his base. We will discuss all that and more.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Thanks for hanging Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Uh, lots
of stuff to get to, lots of you reacting. I
should mention that right now President Trump also meeting with
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the president of El Salvador Bukeley, and they are talking
about the prisons there and what they will be able to.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Uh uh to do there.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
In fact, Bukele is saying that he will not return
the prisoner that is the focus right now. The Maryland
man who uh the United States as a member of
trend Ragua. They say that he is not, so we
will see what ends up happening there. In fact, let's
go ahead and play that cut twenty nine. This is
El Salvador's president saying, how can I smuggle a terrorist
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into the United States? I don't have the power to
return him. This just happened in the Oval Office.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I suggested that rorist into the United States, right.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Him today?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And if I could I smuggle him into the United.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
States or whether I do it, course I'm not going
to do it. It's like, I mean, the question is
with Busters, how can I muggle the terrors it to
the United States. I don't have the power to return
him to the United States.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Uh so that is what is just now happening in
the Oval Office. Don in New York City says he
saw the same play I did. Don, What was your reaction?
Did you hear the crowd react the same way? And
did it also color you in thinking? Man, they just
destroyed the entire purpose of the play with that final image.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
I couldn't I couldn't agree with you more. Play you
characterized it exactly right, and the same reaction with a
terrific play The music in particular was great. Loved every
bit of it except the thing that fixed in my mind,
and that's that last image.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Did the crowd gasp in the theater in the same
way that they did? And did you feel I don't
know if you voted for Trump or not, did you
feel like you were in a credible minority when you
saw that image? And you knew as I did, and
I imagine a large context of this crowd did that
Musk had tapped his heart and then you know, sort
of extended his hand and they didn't show that at all.
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They just showed him as if he were doing a
Nazi salute.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Yes, completely agreed. Yeah, I was really disappointed. It was
it was frankly, it was unnecessary and took away from
the entire point of the play, which is to try
and show the need for balanced reporting and objectivity and
holding people accountable. And then I don't think they held
the play accountable with that last image.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I think that's all said. Now, I'm curious, do you
think that no one on the play knows the larger context?
Do you think they were just trying to be provocative?
I mean, this is why, because I'm sure I went
into my mentions after I talked about this, and people
are like, oh, I don't know why you would even
go to a play like that. My job is, I think,
to engage with as many arguments as I can, and
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I'm open to being convinced that I'm wrong. That's how
I ended up voting for Trump. I'm not someone who
said in twenty sixteen Trump is the greatest human who's
ever existed. I had to be convinced that he was
doing a good job. I don't know what your voting
history is, but I imagine you went with the idea being, hey,
I want to see what kind of culture they're conveying here,
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and up until the end it felt fairly even handed,
even to me. The montage that they were showing was
intended to show, hey, look they covered for Joe Biden
and his health. Like right, the media can get many
things wrong. I just it really left me with a
sour taste the way it ended, and it, frankly just
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reinforced how many people don't see the full scope of
a story and lack context to understand arguments.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
Yeah. Again, I was disappointed, and you know, frankly, that's
what Phil Maher's been talking about I need to have
a good dialogue that's balanced approach. Let me get smart
credit on that front as well, but to to play
credit for being objective when they talked about Biden and
so forth, and then it fell apart with that last image.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
And I think they did it. I mean, they knew
what they were doing, no surprise.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I mean, okay, well, thank you for the call, thank
you for also sharing that you went and watched it.
And again, I understand people out there because I get
this every time I talk about it an article in
the New York Times, every time I talk about an
article in the Washington Post, people say, oh, I don't
know why you would even read that. I don't know
why you would subscribe to that. I think it's important
that everyone experience as many possible arguments as they can,
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because your arguments are strengthened by experiencing everything. I've got
a junior in high school right now who is at
a debate tournament. He's down in Georgia at a high
school debate tournament. He loves debate. They have to read
every possible argument because they don't know what side of
the argument they're going to have to make, and I've
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talked about this before I went to law school.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Anybody's thinking about going to law school. I went to
Vanderbilt for law school as fabulous. Well, when you come
out of law school, the thing I didn't like was
you are, particularly as a young lawyer, obligated to take
clients who can afford to pay for your salary. You're
a highed advocate. You pay enough money buy and large,
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especially as a young lawyer. As you get older, you
can pick your clients more, but you are forced as
a young lawyer to take whatever side your law firm takes.
And so I defended a lot of big corporations, and
that's fine, a lot of big corporations need defense to
But it wasn't as if I could look at a
case and say, actually, I like the other side of
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the case better. Hey, I want to take the other side.
You're a hired gun, so to speak. You use your
advocacy skills in exchange for being paid. What I get
to do now, which I love, is I get to
look at the entirety of arguments and I get to say, hey,
you know what I think this argument has, this is
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the best side. I think this argument is more cogent.
I think it wins, and I don't think you can
make good arguments. Just like my son in debate could
never win debate tournaments if he only argued one side
and only won and read the evidence from the side
he agrees with. I don't think in larger society we
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can win arguments by burying our head in the sand
and not paying attention to what other people are saying.
And sometimes they may be able to persuade you that
something is right that you hadn't considered. I'm open to
the idea every single day that I could be wrong.
Why was I so confident during COVID Because I read everything,
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and I was confident that shutting down schools was a
moronic decision. I was confident that kids didn't need to
be running around on a basketball court in masks. I
was confident that young kids should be able to play sports.
The data supported me. But you know how I got
to a lot of that data by reading all of
the reports that were out there from the left wing
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media and not being willing or able to find them persuasive.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And I think a lot of you do this.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think that's how a lot of you have found
me and how you found Buck and how you found
this show, because I see the numbers on how we're growing,
and I think we're speaking to seventy five percent of
the country now, and I think certainly, if you're on
the right, you tend to be more exposed to the
arguments of the left than the left is to the
arguments of the right. And frankly, if you're living in
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such a world where you saw that image of Elon
Musk and you thought, oh my goodness, he's out there
doing Nazi salutes, it's not a credit to you. It's
actually a discredit because you haven't been exposed as much
as you should have been to the full context of arguments.
Which is why I think we could win. I think
the listeners of this show, if we tested you, guys,
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would test far higher on knowledge not only of so
called right wing talking points, but also left wing talking points.
While we play clips from the view for you, while
we play clips from CNN and MSNBC, because I think
it's important for you to know what they are saying.
And I just I couldn't get over it when I
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saw the way that that play ended. Christian in North Carolina,
you got a question. Oh yeah, hey, Christian, what you
got for us? Hey, sar So, I was wondering with
the Elon Musk, with the play they made, is there
no way that Elon could charge him for defamation of character?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah? Thanks for the call.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Legally, that standard for defamation is tough in the United
States based on the New York Times v. Sullivan cases.
Is me putting on my lawyer hat, But I do
think that if I were Elon and we're going to
reach out to him and see if he wants to
come on this program, because again, he responded to me
sharing the information about that play, which I'm sure he's
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heard about from other people too. If I were him,
I would call out George Clooney directly. I think George
Clooney should have to answer for the way that that
clip is portrayed at the end of the movie and
explain what his intent was in using it, because I
think it's fundamentally dishonest. And if I were giving you
the reading of he's trying to point out that people
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on the left can also be subject to having their
emotions taken advantage of, well, that would be an interesting take,
and it would basically be him indicting the entire audience
that's paid to come watch that play, by and large,
because I think people like me were in the minority
reacting as we did. But I do think that's an
(28:54):
interesting question. I would come out into the public arena
and out George Clooney directly if I were Elon Musk,
because I do think that would be a worthy commentary
from him. The challenge is it's very hard when you're
a public figure to be able to get damages in
(29:14):
the United States for defamation. I'm sure what they would
say in their defense was that it wasn't intended to
be directly representative of what Elon Musk said, and that
their goal was just to be provocative because a play
is a work of art, and they wanted to get
the gasp, They wanted to get the reaction from the audience.
(29:36):
Sometimes that's true, Provocation can be a goal of art.
The problem here, as I see it, is the entire
message of your play was we need an honest journalist
base to hold people who are powerful accountable, and then
you dishonestly edited an image to completely defeat the entire
(29:57):
purpose of your play. At the end, we'll talk about
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fireworks inside of the Oval office just now, and we'll
get to that momentarily. But Steve and Charleston, South Carolina,
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what you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Got for me?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Hey, Clay, thanks for taking my call. I think you're
engaging in a charitable interpretation of the producers of that
play by suggesting that they're engaging in some sort of
subtle satire that would require a level.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Of self awareness and introspection that the Left does not have.
And they're beyond satire and parody. So I think they
did this and they justified it in their minds by saying, well,
we dished Clinton and we dished Biden.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I think it's an interesting question because do you think
anybody on that staff knew the full context of the
Elon Musk clip. That is where I mean to me,
I would love to know this full story. I think
George Clooney should have to answer for it. I think
the playwright should have to answer for it. And it's
why I think Elon Musk calling them out publicly could
(33:30):
force that, because if they knew the full context.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That gets closer to a.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Legally actionable activity that Elon Musk could could engage in,
because then they're intentionally not showing the full context.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And I think it's an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I'm trying to be somewhat charitable in explaining, Hey, maybe
there's multiple motivations. Maybe there's somebody who's actually a undercover
conservative inside of that organization and he got that Elon
must Nazi salute up, and every single time that it's
shown in that theater, he enjoys or she enjoys the
(34:09):
reaction because it further confirms what a bubble these elite
left wing New Yorkers by and large are living in.
But I do think it's an interesting question, and I
think you have to engage in the culture to examine
why it might be going on. I appreciate the call.
This was just some fireworks inside of the Oval Office.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio and our buddy, well he's
(34:31):
our buddy too. Both these guys are our buddies. And
Steven Miller just called out CNN with the facts on
the situation in El Salvador as it pertains to illegals
that are being held in prisons there. Listen to cut
thirty two.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I don't understand what the execution is. This individual is
a citizen of Osavagor. He was illegally in the United
States and was returned to this country. That's where you
deport people back to their country of origin, except for Venezuela.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
That one's refusing to people back in places like that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I can tell you this, mister President.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
No, the foreign policy of the United States is conducted
by the President of the United States, not by a court.
And no court in the United States has a right
to conduct the foreign policy in the United States.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Is that simple?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And that's one specifically second.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
Point, the Supreme Court said exactly what Marco said, that
no court has the authority to.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Develop a foreign policy councture the United States.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
We want a case nine to zero, and people like
CNN are portraying it as a loss as usual because
they want foreign terrorists in the country who kidnapped women
and children. But President Trump, his policy is foreign terrorists
that are here legally get expelled from the country, which.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
By the way is in ninety ten, Isshi, I think
he's right, and Steven Miller does fantastic work.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Again, that's just happening. We've got the L.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Salvador President visiting inside of the Oval Office, the debate,
the dispute whether or not illegals can be sent to L.
Salvador and what sort of hearings they're entitled to before
that place. We'll break down that continued battle going on inside.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Of the Oval Office.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
We'll also talk about the Josh Shapiro house burning, Pennsylvania's governor,
what is occurring there. And also Taylor Lorenz, this is
a former Washington Post reporter, says she loves Luigi Mangioni.
This is the individual accused of committing the murder of
the healthcare executive and that he is a very morally
(36:27):
fine person. I think you're going to hear this audio,
and I think you're going to be of the opinion
that you cannot believe it is real.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's my reaction.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Plus, we'll get into Bill Maher visiting Donald Trump, the
Kid Rock Dinner, and Stephen A. Smith of ESPN did
all the morning shows and says he may run for president.
What in the world's going on that's still to come
on Clay and Buck
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. I
hope all of you had fabulous weekends. Exhilarating day at
the Masters. I bet a lot of you watched Ry
McElroy with the big Win markets up a bit. As
the Trump tariff discussion continues in earnest, particularly as it
(00:21):
pertains to China, we have got a ton to discuss
with all of you from a variety of different perspectives.
But right off the top, I know many of you
have been really concerned about this, wanting the absolute latest.
It didn't happen while we were on the air, but
on Friday evening Buck and Carrie Sexton became parents. Their
(00:44):
baby boy James arrived. Mom and baby are doing well.
Buck says right now he expects to be back on
tomorrow so we can hear how the delivery went down
in Miami. But the pictures are up. I know we
have shared them from the Buck's social account. I know
that Buck has shared them from his social accounts. I
(01:04):
would imagine that there are pictures for those of you
who want to go and look certainly at those social accounts,
but also I imagine that there are pictures up on
clayanbuck dot com, and if there are not, we should
definitely make sure that we post them there for people
who are not active.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
On social media at all.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But that is fabulous news, and I know many of
you have been following that closely. You've been asking about it,
and I was hoping we were going to be able
to announce it before we went off.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The air on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
But come Friday evening, the official news that James speed
Sexton had entered the world came down. And We're going
to have a lot of fun talking with Buck about
what it's like to have become a dad, and I
know he is exhilarated and is going to be headed
for many sleepless nights in the near future as any
(01:53):
dad and mom have experienced, and many of you out
there certainly have experienced in your life. So it's super exciting.
So for those of you that have been concerned about that,
really great news to start off our Monday that the
baby is here and mom and baby are both doing well.
So you can find pictures up on Buck's account, up
on the Clay and Buck accounts, and soon if not
(02:13):
already up at clayanbuck dot com. For those of you
that are not super active on social media. Okay, where
are we in the universe. That is awesome news. And
like I said, I think Buck's going to be back tomorrow.
We'll see if that remains the case. It was out
Thursday Friday. We'll be back, I think on Tuesday with
a brand new baby. Okay, So let's dive into a
(02:36):
bunch of different stories that are underway right now. I
mentioned the masters. Trump also went to UFC three fourteen
in Miami, did an Air Force one interview. Afterwards. We
will play that for you. Coming up. Pennsylvania Governor, this
is an awful story. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro had someone
break into his house and try to burn down the
(02:59):
Pennsylvania Governor's mansion. I've got a lot of thoughts on this.
They have arrested the suspect, and his motivations remain unclear,
but at a bare minimum. And I'm surprised more people
are not talking about this angle. What a complete failure
by the Pennsylvania security that is supposed to be protecting
the governor of Pennsylvania. This guy was able to get
(03:20):
into the governor's mansion and evade all security and nearly
burned down the governor's mansion. I've seen the footage of this,
and it is absolutely indefensible that this could have been
allowed to occur. I'm glad the governor and his family
are okay, but I would imagine that he and certainly
his kids and his wife are terrified this shouldn't happen.
(03:42):
We will talk some about that. Bill Maher made a
major statement by going to visit Donald Trump. We have
some cuts from him. Kid Rock set up that meeting,
and I thought Bill Maher addressed it very well on
his Friday show.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
We will talk about that crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Woman Taylor Laurents loves Luigi Mangioni, and this is indicative
of the broken moral code of many people on the
left wing in this country. And we're going to play
some of those cuts.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Steven A.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Smith ESPN twenty million dollar a year talent, did all
the news shows over the weekend and it seems like
he really may run for president. That is a sign
of how weak the Democrat benches. And we will discuss
all of that and more. Plus, I did Fox and
(04:31):
Friends weekend a lot of you. I appreciate all the
favorable feedback I did. In addition, to the fifteen hours
that we do on this program and the OutKick Show
and all the Fox News hits that I regularly do
at a really good time on Saturday and Sunday, four
hours each day six ten am East Coast with racial
compost Duffy and Charlie Hurt. And I know many of
(04:53):
you watched because that is a supremely popular show and
many people out there watch that show on their weekends
as start their days. And so thank you for the feedback.
We have no guest scheduled today. I will open up
the phone lines allow you guys to weigh in. I
just laid out a variety of different topics that I
want to hit eight hundred and two two two eight
eight two, But I actually want to start with an
(05:14):
experience that I had over the weekend in New York City.
So I talked about on Friday the fact that I
was going to go to a couple of plays. Solo
Weather was awful. I went to go see Denzel Washington
Jay Gillenhall in Othello. That was an incredible experience, really
cool to see one of the greatest actors of his
(05:35):
generation in Denzel Washington playing the title role in a
Broadway performance in a theater that does not seek that
many people, where you could really experience the incredible talent
of someone of Denzel Washington's ability. That was really fun.
I wanted to find something to do. I was in
New York City, solo. Weather was awful. I had to
(05:55):
be up super early in the morning, so I don't
want to go out late any for dinner or any
sort of events on Friday or Saturday, because the alarm's
going off at four fifteen in the morning, and so
I knew I had to be up early. I had
to be fresh, I had to be good on television
for four hours, so I didn't want to do anything late.
I went to a matinee for a fellow on Saturday.
To the extent that any of you have trips coming up,
(06:16):
I think that is running until mid June. I thought
it was extraordinary, really impressive. I'm glad that I went.
But I also went to good Night and Good Luck,
which is George Clooney's play about Edward R. Murrow and
the idea being that media should hold powerful people accountable.
And it goes back in time, and you guys know
(06:37):
I'm a history nerd. It goes back in time to
the era of the House on American Activities Committee with
the junior Senator as he keeps calling him from Wisconsin
and everything surrounding that entire McCarthy era what was and
was not communist infiltration in America, And Clooney plays Edward R.
(07:01):
Murrow and the journalists are the story and the heroes
of this entire play. And it goes back to again
nineteen fifties era America with the McCarthy hearings that are
going on in the Senate and Murrow, George Clooney's character
plays the nineteen fifties crusading journalist Edward R. Murrow who
(07:26):
was trying to stand up to McCarthy and ends up
in a really contentious relationship before eventually McCarthy is brought
down by some of the overreach of his investigation. And
the CBS news journalists in general are the stars of
(07:46):
the play, you guys know, making fun of myself. I
don't like musicals, so I was not gonna go see
any musical, but A Fellow is great, and I did it.
Dislike Goodnight and good Luck. So if some of you
are going on vacation or some of your list to
us on wor You're going to be in New York.
I didn't have any issues with the play itself, but
(08:06):
at the end of the play, as George Clooney is
delivering a monologue, they start behind him to show a
lot of different media coverage since the nineteen fifties, and
so they show John F. Kennedy being assassinated. They show
Walter Cronkite reacting to it. If I remember correctly, they
(08:28):
show on up Reagan Berlin Wall being torn down, the
nineteen nineties era CNN coverage of the First Gulf War,
George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, all of the
things that the media has covered. And as Clooney is
delivering a monologue, he is saying that there's a line
(08:50):
in the play where the CBS executive says, well, at
some point, what if there isn't an Edward R. Murrow
there for what the truth is? And they're trying to
indict both sides. There are clips as the cavalcade of
imagery continues. There are clips from Fox News, from MSNBC.
(09:13):
To their credit, they even include the defense of Joe
Biden's mental acuity as evidence of why you shouldn't trust
the media, and that runs all the way up to
the present day. Of course, they take shots at Fox News,
over dominion and all those different things. Again, it's sort
of a matrix like blanket of television imagery behind Clooney
(09:36):
as he is delivering his closing monologue in the guise
of Edward R. Murrow, and then it ends. The very
final image that you see is of Elon Musk not
tapping his chest and then trying to gesture to all
of the people in the crowd to say thank you
(09:57):
from the bottom of my heart, which is what Musk
was trying to do. It doesn't show you the tapping
on the chest. It only shows him doing what was
described in the media as a Nazi salute, and so
it freezes on Musk for the entire theater to see,
and everyone, by and large, at least two thirds seventy
(10:20):
five percent of the audience gasps as if, oh, my goodness,
look at how far America has fallen that Elon Musk
is doing a Nazi salute on the stay in front
of all these people. Except it's not true, and we
talked about this back in January. Again, he taps his heart,
(10:43):
and I'll admit somewhat awkwardly is trying to salute the
different parts of the arena, as public speakers might do.
But the way they clipped it, they left it with
him giving what they were clearly intending to show to
be a Nazi salute, and the crowd gasps. And I
(11:03):
just found it to be such a fascinating window into
this sort of New York City liberal mind, and I
would love to talk. I'm sure they won't come on.
I'll have producer Ali invite whoever did the screenwriting for
the play, whatever you call the playwriting, I guess, or
George Clooney himself, to try to explain what their intent is,
(11:25):
because the entire message of the play is be careful
trusting the media and people in positions of authority, because
they can easily play on your emotions and lead you astray.
And then the play itself ends with George Clooney's play
(11:48):
insinuating that Elon Musk gave a Nazi salute, which he
didn't actually do, and all of the emotional reaction from
inside of the play is, oh, my goodness, can you
believe what this awful right wing Elon Musk is doing.
We've allowed an actual Nazi to ascend into some position
(12:08):
of power. And what I find so incredibly intriguing about
this is, on a beneficial, generous reading of this, it's
actually the playwrights ridiculing the vast majority of the audience
that is watching the play. Because you can make an argument,
(12:29):
I don't think it's a crazy one, that they're actually satirizing,
mocking the fact that all of these people think they're
above being played for fools by the media. You can
make that read, and if they did it, it's somewhat diabolical,
and it's lacerating in its penestrate, penetrating criticism of the
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people that think.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They're the smart ones and that they're.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Above being played. I don't think they're doing that, but
that's a general reading of what the intent was by
showing that Elon Musk image. More likely, I think George
Clooney and all of the other leftists involved in putting
on this play are lighting the entire message of their
(13:15):
play on fire by using an image that doesn't reflect
what it actually was in an effort to try to
demonstrate how dangerous unchecked government can be, and in actuality,
they did an entire play talking about how great it
(13:37):
is that the media could hold powerful people accountable. And
then at the end of the play they undercut the
entire message of the play by showing that modern media
is actually incapable of giving an honest portrayal and recitation
of what's truly happening in the country and the vast
(13:57):
majority of the people in that audience. I had no
earthly idea what the total context of the Musk salute was,
and I think it's incredibly important to talk about this
and hold them accountable. Elon Musk has responded to the
tweets that I put out. I'll share what Elon Musk said,
(14:18):
but in a larger context, some of you were saying, well,
I don't know why you would pay to.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Go see a George Clooney play.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I do it for the same reason that I read
The New York Times in the Washington Post every morning.
I don't think you strengthen your own arguments without confronting
the arguments that others are making. I am confident that
I could make left wing arguments better than most of
left wingers because I study and read them more. The
(14:48):
reason why I make the arguments to you every single
day is because I'm confident they're the best arguments. But
you can't cover up your ears and run and hide
from popular culture. Have to engage with it in order
to be able to win arguments. I would argue one
reason why left wingers have started to do so poorly
(15:09):
when they're actually questioned is because they live in an
ecosystem that never challenges the basics of their opinion, which
is why I think Ron DeSantis wiped the floor with
Governor Gavin Newsom of California, if you remember in the
Sean Hannity debate that those guys had because Newsom is
not used to being pressed, because he lives in a
(15:31):
world where the media bathes him in adulation all the time. Me,
many of you, a lot of us who have sought
out our own experiences to reach the conclusions and the
opinions that we have, We've had to grapple with and
consider left wing opinion in a way that they never
(15:52):
consider right wing opinions. I'm going to open up the
phone lines, but I wanted to share that experience with
you because if I hadn't gone, I don't know that
very many people would be talking about something like this
at all.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I also thought that gasp.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
That moment when the audience gasped as if Elon Musk
were an actual Nazi was so revealing because they buy
into things that are beyond a shadow of a doubt,
not actually remotely true, and someone like George Clooney profits
off it while lecturing all of us about the importance
(16:29):
of trust and media. I just it was such an
interesting moment for me on Friday night when I was
watching that play and I had that moment, that shocking
revelation of the Nazi salute, which wasn't actually a Nazi salute,
but I felt like I might have been the only
guy in the entire theater who knew the full context
of that, and I felt like it was so profoundly
dishonest by Clooney and everyone who was involved in the play.
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But we'll talk about that a little bit more, but
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Speaker 1 (18:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. A lot
of you already reacting to this. One person has emailed
me in and said, Hey, I actually think they put
the gasps in on the Nazi salute to try to
make you think that the crowd was gasping, which is interesting.
I thought people were gasping and real But that's an
interesting take. A lot of you want to weigh in.
(18:45):
What's it like for George Clooney to be.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Lying to his base. We will discuss all that and more.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Thanks for hanging Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Uh, lots
of stuff to get to, lots of you reacting. I
should mention that right now President Trump also meeting with
(19:12):
the president of El Salvador Bukeley, and they are talking
about the prisons there and what they will be able to.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Uh uh to do there.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
In fact, Bukele is saying that he will not return
the prisoner that is the focus right now. The Maryland
man who uh the United States as a member of
trend Ragua. They say that he is not, so we
will see what ends up happening there. In fact, let's
go ahead and play that cut twenty nine. This is
El Salvador's president saying, how can I smuggle a terrorist
(19:47):
into the United States? I don't have the power to
return him. This just happened in the Oval Office.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I suggested that rorist into the United States, right.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Him today?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And if I could I smuggle him into the United.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
States or whether I do it, course I'm not going
to do it. It's like, I mean, the question is
with Busters, how can I muggle the terrors it to
the United States. I don't have the power to return
him to the United States.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Uh so that is what is just now happening in
the Oval Office. Don in New York City says he
saw the same play I did. Don, What was your reaction?
Did you hear the crowd react the same way? And
did it also color you in thinking? Man, they just
destroyed the entire purpose of the play with that final image.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
I couldn't I couldn't agree with you more. Play you
characterized it exactly right, and the same reaction with a
terrific play The music in particular was great. Loved every
bit of it except the thing that fixed in my mind,
and that's that last image.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Did the crowd gasp in the theater in the same
way that they did? And did you feel I don't
know if you voted for Trump or not, did you
feel like you were in a credible minority when you
saw that image? And you knew as I did, and
I imagine a large context of this crowd did that
Musk had tapped his heart and then you know, sort
of extended his hand and they didn't show that at all.
(21:12):
They just showed him as if he were doing a
Nazi salute.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Yes, completely agreed. Yeah, I was really disappointed. It was
it was frankly, it was unnecessary and took away from
the entire point of the play, which is to try
and show the need for balanced reporting and objectivity and
holding people accountable. And then I don't think they held
the play accountable with that last image.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I think that's all said. Now, I'm curious, do you
think that no one on the play knows the larger context?
Do you think they were just trying to be provocative?
I mean, this is why, because I'm sure I went
into my mentions after I talked about this, and people
are like, oh, I don't know why you would even
go to a play like that. My job is, I think,
to engage with as many arguments as I can, and
(21:58):
I'm open to being convinced that I'm wrong. That's how
I ended up voting for Trump. I'm not someone who
said in twenty sixteen Trump is the greatest human who's
ever existed. I had to be convinced that he was
doing a good job. I don't know what your voting
history is, but I imagine you went with the idea being, hey,
I want to see what kind of culture they're conveying here,
(22:18):
and up until the end it felt fairly even handed,
even to me. The montage that they were showing was
intended to show, hey, look they covered for Joe Biden
and his health. Like right, the media can get many
things wrong. I just it really left me with a
sour taste the way it ended, and it, frankly just
(22:40):
reinforced how many people don't see the full scope of
a story and lack context to understand arguments.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
Yeah. Again, I was disappointed, and you know, frankly, that's
what Phil Maher's been talking about I need to have
a good dialogue that's balanced approach. Let me get smart
credit on that front as well, but to to play
credit for being objective when they talked about Biden and
so forth, and then it fell apart with that last image.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
And I think they did it. I mean, they knew
what they were doing, no surprise.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I mean, okay, well, thank you for the call, thank
you for also sharing that you went and watched it.
And again, I understand people out there because I get
this every time I talk about it an article in
the New York Times, every time I talk about an
article in the Washington Post, people say, oh, I don't
know why you would even read that. I don't know
why you would subscribe to that. I think it's important
that everyone experience as many possible arguments as they can,
(23:35):
because your arguments are strengthened by experiencing everything. I've got
a junior in high school right now who is at
a debate tournament. He's down in Georgia at a high
school debate tournament. He loves debate. They have to read
every possible argument because they don't know what side of
the argument they're going to have to make, and I've
(23:58):
talked about this before I went to law school.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Anybody's thinking about going to law school. I went to
Vanderbilt for law school as fabulous. Well, when you come
out of law school, the thing I didn't like was
you are, particularly as a young lawyer, obligated to take
clients who can afford to pay for your salary. You're
a highed advocate. You pay enough money buy and large,
(24:23):
especially as a young lawyer. As you get older, you
can pick your clients more, but you are forced as
a young lawyer to take whatever side your law firm takes.
And so I defended a lot of big corporations, and
that's fine, a lot of big corporations need defense to
But it wasn't as if I could look at a
case and say, actually, I like the other side of
(24:46):
the case better. Hey, I want to take the other side.
You're a hired gun, so to speak. You use your
advocacy skills in exchange for being paid. What I get
to do now, which I love, is I get to
look at the entirety of arguments and I get to say, hey,
you know what I think this argument has, this is
(25:07):
the best side. I think this argument is more cogent.
I think it wins, and I don't think you can
make good arguments. Just like my son in debate could
never win debate tournaments if he only argued one side
and only won and read the evidence from the side
he agrees with. I don't think in larger society we
(25:30):
can win arguments by burying our head in the sand
and not paying attention to what other people are saying.
And sometimes they may be able to persuade you that
something is right that you hadn't considered. I'm open to
the idea every single day that I could be wrong.
Why was I so confident during COVID Because I read everything,
(25:52):
and I was confident that shutting down schools was a
moronic decision. I was confident that kids didn't need to
be running around on a basketball court in masks. I
was confident that young kids should be able to play sports.
The data supported me. But you know how I got
to a lot of that data by reading all of
the reports that were out there from the left wing
(26:12):
media and not being willing or able to find them persuasive.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And I think a lot of you do this.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think that's how a lot of you have found
me and how you found Buck and how you found
this show, because I see the numbers on how we're growing,
and I think we're speaking to seventy five percent of
the country now, and I think certainly, if you're on
the right, you tend to be more exposed to the
arguments of the left than the left is to the
arguments of the right. And frankly, if you're living in
(26:42):
such a world where you saw that image of Elon
Musk and you thought, oh my goodness, he's out there
doing Nazi salutes, it's not a credit to you. It's
actually a discredit because you haven't been exposed as much
as you should have been to the full context of arguments.
Which is why I think we could win. I think
the listeners of this show, if we tested you, guys,
(27:04):
would test far higher on knowledge not only of so
called right wing talking points, but also left wing talking points.
While we play clips from the view for you, while
we play clips from CNN and MSNBC, because I think
it's important for you to know what they are saying.
And I just I couldn't get over it when I
(27:25):
saw the way that that play ended. Christian in North Carolina,
you got a question. Oh yeah, hey, Christian, what you
got for us? Hey, sar So, I was wondering with
the Elon Musk, with the play they made, is there
no way that Elon could charge him for defamation of character?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah? Thanks for the call.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Legally, that standard for defamation is tough in the United
States based on the New York Times v. Sullivan cases.
Is me putting on my lawyer hat, But I do
think that if I were Elon and we're going to
reach out to him and see if he wants to
come on this program, because again, he responded to me
sharing the information about that play, which I'm sure he's
(28:09):
heard about from other people too. If I were him,
I would call out George Clooney directly. I think George
Clooney should have to answer for the way that that
clip is portrayed at the end of the movie and
explain what his intent was in using it, because I
think it's fundamentally dishonest. And if I were giving you
the reading of he's trying to point out that people
(28:33):
on the left can also be subject to having their
emotions taken advantage of, well, that would be an interesting take,
and it would basically be him indicting the entire audience
that's paid to come watch that play, by and large,
because I think people like me were in the minority
reacting as we did. But I do think that's an
(28:54):
interesting question. I would come out into the public arena
and out George Clooney directly if I were Elon Musk,
because I do think that would be a worthy commentary
from him. The challenge is it's very hard when you're
a public figure to be able to get damages in
(29:14):
the United States for defamation. I'm sure what they would
say in their defense was that it wasn't intended to
be directly representative of what Elon Musk said, and that
their goal was just to be provocative because a play
is a work of art, and they wanted to get
the gasp, They wanted to get the reaction from the audience.
(29:36):
Sometimes that's true, Provocation can be a goal of art.
The problem here, as I see it, is the entire
message of your play was we need an honest journalist
base to hold people who are powerful accountable, and then
you dishonestly edited an image to completely defeat the entire
(29:57):
purpose of your play. At the end, we'll talk about
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fireworks inside of the Oval office just now, and we'll
get to that momentarily. But Steve and Charleston, South Carolina,
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what you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Got for me?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Hey, Clay, thanks for taking my call. I think you're
engaging in a charitable interpretation of the producers of that
play by suggesting that they're engaging in some sort of
subtle satire that would require a level.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Of self awareness and introspection that the Left does not have.
And they're beyond satire and parody. So I think they
did this and they justified it in their minds by saying, well,
we dished Clinton and we dished Biden.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I think it's an interesting question because do you think
anybody on that staff knew the full context of the
Elon Musk clip. That is where I mean to me,
I would love to know this full story. I think
George Clooney should have to answer for it. I think
the playwright should have to answer for it. And it's
why I think Elon Musk calling them out publicly could
(33:30):
force that, because if they knew the full context.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That gets closer to a.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Legally actionable activity that Elon Musk could could engage in,
because then they're intentionally not showing the full context.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And I think it's an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I'm trying to be somewhat charitable in explaining, Hey, maybe
there's multiple motivations. Maybe there's somebody who's actually a undercover
conservative inside of that organization and he got that Elon
must Nazi salute up, and every single time that it's
shown in that theater, he enjoys or she enjoys the
(34:09):
reaction because it further confirms what a bubble these elite
left wing New Yorkers by and large are living in.
But I do think it's an interesting question, and I
think you have to engage in the culture to examine
why it might be going on. I appreciate the call.
This was just some fireworks inside of the Oval Office.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio and our buddy, well he's
(34:31):
our buddy too. Both these guys are our buddies. And
Steven Miller just called out CNN with the facts on
the situation in El Salvador as it pertains to illegals
that are being held in prisons there. Listen to cut
thirty two.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I don't understand what the execution is. This individual is
a citizen of Osavagor. He was illegally in the United
States and was returned to this country. That's where you
deport people back to their country of origin, except for Venezuela.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
That one's refusing to people back in places like that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I can tell you this, mister President.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
No, the foreign policy of the United States is conducted
by the President of the United States, not by a court.
And no court in the United States has a right
to conduct the foreign policy in the United States.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Is that simple?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And that's one specifically second.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
Point, the Supreme Court said exactly what Marco said, that
no court has the authority to.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Develop a foreign policy councture the United States.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
We want a case nine to zero, and people like
CNN are portraying it as a loss as usual because
they want foreign terrorists in the country who kidnapped women
and children. But President Trump, his policy is foreign terrorists
that are here legally get expelled from the country, which.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
By the way is in ninety ten, Isshi, I think
he's right, and Steven Miller does fantastic work.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Again, that's just happening. We've got the L.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Salvador President visiting inside of the Oval Office, the debate,
the dispute whether or not illegals can be sent to L.
Salvador and what sort of hearings they're entitled to before
that place. We'll break down that continued battle going on inside.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Of the Oval Office.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
We'll also talk about the Josh Shapiro house burning, Pennsylvania's governor,
what is occurring there. And also Taylor Lorenz, this is
a former Washington Post reporter, says she loves Luigi Mangioni.
This is the individual accused of committing the murder of
the healthcare executive and that he is a very morally
(36:27):
fine person. I think you're going to hear this audio,
and I think you're going to be of the opinion
that you cannot believe it is real.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's my reaction.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Plus, we'll get into Bill Maher visiting Donald Trump, the
Kid Rock Dinner, and Stephen A. Smith of ESPN did
all the morning shows and says he may run for president.
What in the world's going on that's still to come
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